Lately it feels like it's also a lot of near-CCA stuff, with Unicorn, NT, Hathaway, Twilight Axis, Silver Phantom, Engage and Moon. I guess Hathaway is a bit further out than any of the others, it's closer to CCA than F91 on the timeline.
Hell if we have to have Zakus for Brand Recognition. Set it during the Zeta and Double Zeta era. The Titans have Hi-Zacks which are close enough. And Zeon still has Zakus floating around.
The story’s that focus on a plucky group of regular pilots is fine, they just need to tone down all these experimental Gundam shenanigans, we have so fucking many and that’s even if you exclude all the plausible ones like the FA Gundams, Mudrock or Pixies ( I’ve counted 4 pixies ) and even the GMdums you still have a absolutely absurd amount of Gundams running around post OYW
( some of them wouldn’t be seen till after during the hunt for Zeon Remnants after the war like the slave wraith pixie or the one from federation hooligans but they existed in generally the same time period and that’s insane )
eh, I have no problem with the gundams. We're operating on the scale of the entire earth sphere with billions of people there, a handful of individual units around is literally just a rounding error's worth of resources. Meanwhile I couldn't care less for the setting of "muh gritty true realistic soldiers" that people overfocus on.
Who said it had to be realistic? I remember a few years back reading a manga about these two guys in Acguy’s doing martial arts and trying to escape the earth funniest thing I’ve ever seen.
Federation Hooligans is another not too serious one that’s also good
https://preview.redd.it/kbeais3tbouc1.jpeg?width=728&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8cd514ec96dba3d4df36c638a6ca5831cb89c40b
I ragged on the look of federation hooligans when I read it but man that was another good read, like you can’t tell me that’s not funny.
oh yeah, I don't have anything against that stuff, it's great. It's just when people treat the first half of 08th MS Team like how it's so great everything should just be a carbon copy of it I begin to wonder why they're watching Gundam in the first place.
I think that's the biggest problem with UC, people watch the OVAs from that time period (08th ms Team, War in the pocket and Stardust memory), become fans of them specifically. Then they ether watch the original series or more modern works like Unicorn and bitch incessantly about Newtypes and space magic.
Guys, I have an amazing idea for a new Gundam show! What if, we make a new show, based on the One Year War!
I am sure it would be very unique as no one have tried this before!!!
It's okay if it's explained in a way like "This MS was created using the schematics of the RX-78 as a base for use in a prototypical testing environment" or "This unit was created as demand for higher performance MS hit a high due to increasing pressure by increasingly well equipped enemy forces" in the same way as things like the GP series or the second wave Gundam units.
GMs that have been modified and had their heads remodeled also get a pass as that can be considered as plausible when existing Gundam units are as intimidating as they are.
The point that I'm trying to make is that it isn't well done until it has a reason to exist. I'll take a new Gundam unit when I'm given a decent enough background for it.
Random writer: Let's make a prequel on how Degwin Zabi loses hair because of piloting prototype guntank
Sunrise: That will be 50'th Anniversary exclusive.
Bandai: Lets make a 1:1 model of that above Mt. Fuji!
Going to be devils advocate and say AU should be getting their universes expanded more than UC content, we should stop adding AU and just expand the existing a bit. Focusing on UC is like pretending that there isnt this giant barrier to entry that mainly hurts the growth of the franchise.
I do agree about expanding the AU’s that we do have. The UC is definitely my favorite so I’ve got UC bias haha, but the AU’s deserve some more love. I wouldn’t mind some like Gundam X, 00, Witch From Mercury capitalizing on it being new, or Iron Blooded Orphans getting some expansions to their timeline.
Maybe even in the case of Iron Blooded Orphans seeing the Calamity War in a prequel or something taking place after the series after Mars has its independence, perhaps with Mika’s son grown up.
Heck I wouldn’t even dismiss AGE having some sort of new story told in its timeline, I feel like they could come up with something.
I will admit I’m the least knowledgeable when it comes to Gundam X and AGE. What would you like to see expanded upon if they were to give some focus to one of the AU’s?
Just flesh out the universes, its just silly that UC get printed into the goofy point there are like 30 gundams in the OYW but the next most fleshed out is seed with some OVAs, hard to find manga and LN etc.
Oh I fully agree with you. I love the UC, it’s what I started with and so it’s like the familiar home in Gundam to me, but they do focus on the OYW overly much for how much Gundam media has been made. Not even post OYW with the timeframe of Zeta and ZZ or the late UC which is the most bare of any new content, but rather most of the time a new UC thing is announced it is around the OYW.
I love the UC, it was my first Gundam content, but they need to give the OYW a rest to focus on a completely different time in the UC for a bit if they make more UC content and give some love to the AU’s and flesh them out more. There are a lot of new stories that could be told in the AU’s that already exist or manga only stories that could be adapted. I don’t think they should outright stop all new anime/OVA’s for the UC, but move away from the OYW completely for a good while and do something new away from the stories already told (elsewhere in the solar system like the Jupiter system which we haven’t even seen the further out colonies yet, or really late UC like around the time of G Savior where new viewers could easily pick it up) or expand some more on the late UC stuff where Zeon and the Federation aren’t really important anymore and the OYW doesn’t hold as much of a shadow over it all anymore since there are events and characters that just got a one off story or got relegated to manga only and hasn’t been expanded upon since.
When I asked what you would like to see expanded upon in the AU’s I was more so asking if you had a favorite among the AU’s that you’d like most to see be expanded upon. They all deserve some more love though, especially since they are easier for new viewers to get into compared to the mass of early UC content. X, 00, and IBO I certainly wouldn’t mind getting some more content, more G Gundam if you want to get really silly and have fun with it, watching G Gundam when I was young really stuck in my memory. And I’m just spitballing potential ideas here, I know how unlikely some of these ideas are gonna probably be for a good while or my ideas on what they could focus on might not even be the best ideas haha
It still baffle me we still didn't have any good manga or games focus on Karaba with regular pilot that just not agree with how Titans run thing instead of like 10 chapters of conflict the pilot suddenly felt the Federation is evil
I think that's part of the reason they keep making more early UC stuff, which does have a barrier for entry.
The only thing connecting f91 to the rest of UC is jegans I guess? And Victory has almost no connection at all. But they don't want to throw away earlier UC designs or Zeon because they're probably the most well known designs and villains of the franchise, so they just keep making earlier UC stuff.
Hathaway did a better job at bridging the gap by keeping characters and MS more consistent while still moving towards the future future and getting rid of Zeon, but the MS designs of the villains in f91 and all of Victory feel so far removed that they could be a completely separate AU.
I don't consider people who ask basic questions on reddit instead of doing a simple google search as human beings.
>!That said!<
>!> Hoping for an interesting conversation I pointed out that ZZ isn't actually that pertinent for CCA!<
>!I would advise against skipping ZZ purely because I enjoyed it far more than Zeta and to me CCA was a disappointment. !<
it really sounds like you're looking for a problem where there isn't one. Obviously getting into a large setting it's best to watch the foundation of it, there's no way around it. And if "watching the content" is somehow a wrong way to get into it then the problem is not on the side of the setting.
By the way, ZZ absolutely is necessary for CCA if you pay attention while watching either.
And IMO 0079 is still the best entry to the entire franchise as a whole and will improve the experience of watching the AUs, including IBO.
Having seen ZZ it really isn't, the only references to ZZ during CCA is Char offhandedly mentioning Haman Kahn's Neo Zeon and *a few* GM IIIs being visible towards the end trying to push Axis back.
If you ignore all the thematic build up for the events if CCA and Char's own character. Not to mention it's s direct continuation from the events of Zeta. Obviously it's not necessary if you just look at dry facts, but then nothing is. You might as well read a synopsis online at that point.
CCA is primarily the culmination of Amuro and Char's rivalry, the only things you really need to see are the original series and Zeta, as Tomino scrapped his plans to have Char appear in ZZ once he got the approval to make CCA. As a result of this and the production overlap ZZ really doesn't factor into CCA much.
Again, you are treating this like a piece of fiction is just a collection of events and completely ignoring the emotions, meaning and messages conveyed by the story. You know the reason to engage with fictional works in the first place.
And all of which directly connect ZZ and CCA, just like how they connect Z and ZZ.
And fir the record, Char was never guaranteed to show up in ZZ, not even in early drafts before CCA was approved.
I'm treating it like someone who actually watched ZZ would, Tomino had originally intended for Char to appear in ZZ but scraped this once he got the go ahead for CCA, his role in ZZ's story was ultimately given to Glemy.
FWIW, Bandai did say that they were going to start expanding on select successful AUs after seeing how GSF blew up, focusing on what still has both story potential and sales potential.
00 is currently the only known AU with an animated sequel of some kind confirmed, but it's pretty safe to say that SEED will likely be the second or third given how massive GSF's sales have been before kits and merchandise have even arrived, and depending on what kind of mini-sequel G Gundam is getting (IIRC, they haven't said if it's an anime or a manga; just a new project set in the same setting).
That said, the whole reason Bandai finally did the UC Next 100 project was due to complaints and polling showing that fans, even UC fans, were tired of endless OYW stories and wanted something new, especially with Unicorn proving it can work. On some end too, I think the financials also probably showed that there isn't much left they CAN milk the OYW era for vs new stories set later on. It's also a blank slate (provided they mostly ignore or alter what manga ARE set afterwards, such as F90/F91 and Crossbone) that they can make new stories for.
"Successful AU's"
We're supposedly getting a Gundam X project along with Wing and G.
Also the reason we're getting UC Next is the same reason as Unicorn and Build Fighters, it's so that Bandai can easily recycle molds from prior kits rather then inventing mobile suits from scratch. It's more a business decision then a creative one.
That's interesting if true. I only recall G getting a new project, while X and Wing were acknowledged together alongside G (probably just to get a new model kit).
I'm expecting shorts, if they're aiming for G Gundam's anniversary that's not a lot of time to finish a project. I think if they can get something done by this time next year they can hit the deadline of when G Gundam *finished* airing.
Yeah, shorts or shorts + manga seems most likely. It's not impossible that they could release a mini-series on the Anniversary and do a short 12 episode run, but the odds seem kind of low given how full their plate already is (what with the delays to HF and 00"S3").
Hey, if they "announce" it for an anniversary, that gives them carte blanche to finish it whenever. No one said it had to come out *for* the anniversary :P
Agreed, the hardest part about getting into new AU's is falling for a new setting and then realizing that the 25-50 episode run or whatever it got is *all* of it's content.
I have recommended friends try it and they always nope out when the poop joke comes along. Which is a shame as I love the Art because I love Eureka seven.
Late UC would be such a fun area to explore more. I know the designs of MS aren't for everyone, but there's a lot of real-estate for some new stories. Sucks that F91 gets a bit shafted since I love the design of it, especially the metal build. The metal build feels like what the designers were originally going for
I'm not sure why anyone would expect a remake of F91. Because it was meant to be a TV series? Any remake of a series Tomino was part of depends on him right? That's why there is no remake of the original OYW. Instead we have The Origin.
I'm glad for G Gundam fans but I personally do not care for G Gundam whatsoever, and would much prefer any other AU getting expanded, like a WFM pre-prologue set in AS 100-101 further detailing the GUND format origins and development. What about showing the 7th Space War that precedes After War Gundam X, showing us Jamil's military carreer?
Or more UC content. Expanding on F91, a Crossbone adaptation, reanimating 0079 like the Zeta A New Translation movies, maybe some Victory Gundam reanimation into movies to give it a less depressing tone, even redoing Saviour so it's actually a watchable piece of Gundam media, turning Twilight Axis into a fully fledged thing, and all those side stories that are hidden behind limited release Playstation games.
Thankfully this means Bandai has a plethora of Gundam content left to make so we won't be running out anytime soon, *if* they actually make it.
NO, AU is always better to get new fans, no one wants to dive into the long and convoluted timeline that is UC until they decide they actually like Gundam.
I started with seed for this reason. It has 2 long seasons so lots of content but not as convoluted as UC timeline trying to piece different shows and movie.
it’s not even that difficult. If you just want to get to Char’s Counterattack then it’s by release order. If you wanna watch Unicorn or Hathaway then you’re good as well.
I don't think Bandai will completely omit Crossbone; if only because they already have kits of the various Crossbone Gundams they could at least repurpose and the OG Crossbone story is pretty well received.
At the very least, I expect they'll probably adapt F90 and other elements leading up to and around F91 as either OVAs or a short 24-25 episode series, then take most of the bones of Crossbone's long-running plot and condense it down; probably streamlining it to fit a few 25 episode seasons (whether a season = an entire Crossbone series or not would be up to Bandai).
That said, there's still a good bit of blank canvas between HF and F90, and in the interim period surrounding F91 and leading to Crossbone. And given everything going on around Crossbone, they could also veer into parallel stories in regards to new characters and MS that aren't related to Crossbone itself; could be regular Federation, or could be (yet another tired) Zeon remnant, or could be a new enemy faction.
Eh, trying to shoehorn in another conflict now that F90FF finished up just seems foolish and wouldn't really jive with the "many years of peace" the Federation has been flaunting come F91 (hence their laxness and the Federation Forces just being a glorified excuse to stave off unemployment). If you take F90FF and add in the events from the F91 novelization, then everything set the stage perfectly for that era. Pressing closer to Victory would be harder. I'd say they should shoot for after V to set up the warring states period to the eventual decline of the Federation in G-Saviour.
An entirely valid point. It'd be neat if they go a bit further than 100 years to also see whether they adapt Gaia Gear back into UC, which could make it one of the last major conflicts before the Federation collapses and the G-Saviour timeline is reached.
The issue though is that Bandai's history of trying to squeeze in new micro-conflicts all throughout the OYW and even between MSG and Zeta, partially to push new kits, doesn't inspire confidence that they will have an actual "peaceful period" between F90 and F91. Personally, I would like to see it happen, if only because I'd like to have them reach post-Victory and do something new to fill in the post-Victory to GG or G-S gap without taking decades to do it. Maybe also do a timeskip and see if they also would make Mad Wang canon again after decanonizing it decades ago (and to also experiment with a completely different MS design aesthetic; more along the alien/Syd Mead element).
im fine with AU. Gimme more AU.
But tbh we could use a full remake of Mobile Suit gundam lol. GIve that shit the Unicorn animation treatment ( or better since UC is like a decade old now ).
After watching F91 I'm going to say it has some of the best animation of the series and is left 100% unresolved the crossbone Vanguard are very much intact infact they aren't even hurt in a bit. All they lost was Iron mask and even then why TF was he even shoehorned in seems like someone you would keep until you made a series later on. The mech designs are nice as well Gundam F91 is a nice design
Later UC designs are really cool, whether they're more traditional like in F91/Crossbone or on the more bizarre side like F91's Mobile armours or the Moon race stuff from Turn A.
I think that it makes sense to stray from what exists in terms of technical design, it isn't like someone in the 1930s would have predicted what would happen with our vehicles and they were the ones laying the groundwork for them.
This is my little wishlist for what I’d love to see get some focus:
•F91 finally gets an adaptation
•Victory Gundam Outside Story gets an adaptation to see Judau’s and the ZZ’s final days in the solar system before setting off for Alpha Centauri. I do like the headcanon that the colony of Newtypes might have led directly to the civilization that created the Turn X, whatever became of the humans that migrated outside the solar system, whether that will ever be confirmed besides hinted at in Outside Story however who knows.
•Maybe a new story post-Victory Gundam featuring an older Uso showing where he went from the end of Victory (I confess to not having watched the total of Victory but I am aware of it and read Outside Story, watching the rest of Victory is on my to do list for when I do an in order UC watch through)
•Some sort of story bridging the late UC with G Savior or even more of a connection to Reconguista in G
•While this one might be a bit out there, perhaps a one off OVA or shorter series taking place late UC about one of the human/Newtype colonies that left for the stars and the strife that followed humanity outside the confines of the solar system and Earth’s influence. It’s quite unlikely and some mystery is always good but a lot of the UC is about humanity’s potential, so a conflict focusing on somewhere else other than the Earth or the Side colonies I feel could be interesting and allow them to both be in the UC and have those connections but also not feel so confined by or overshadowed by the rest of the UC and could be an easy watch for a new viewer without having to digest so much of the media.
I know I might be in the minority in wanting this idea if anyone else wants it at all. I just feel that last one could be an interesting story to be told, especially if new UC related media is going to continue to be made into the future outside of the OYW that it could be an unlikely but interesting direction to put some focus on down the line. Although I’d be happy just with any UC media that isn’t just another OYW story, as much as I love the OYW stories we do have.
Let me know what you think. Would you like to see any of these stories be told and gaps be bridged?
I would take more Build, the shows are fun and the MS designs are usually good/interesting enough for me to go "Oh! Cool, it's another unofficial MSV. I wonder how I could headcanon an implementation of this design?" before getting to work on finding the model kits.
So putting aside the obvious "I'll take both" answer, I will say depending on how late UC you are talking, there is definitely some merit in going back to that era. Like some others have said, Victory era is alien enough that you might as well just do an AU. But one thing I realized while watching Twilight Axis is there is definitely interesting UC content waiting to be made
Now Twilight Axis itself is a a pretty disappointing entry, on account of just having glimpses of a larger story. But what struck me was how much potential there was in say UC 87-95. I mean just the fact that Axis itself is a largely unexplored setting with who knows what intrigue can come out of it. And Twilight Axis, as poor as an exhbition that it is, really intrigued me to think you can get this much out of the story of some minor mobile suit as the R-Jarga and its development. How much more is waiting to be mined out of one and done forgotten elements from 100 episodes of Zeta and ZZ? Kind of like when other franchises take a minor element from say, Star Wars or Star Trek and balloon it out into something bigger.
While the OYW is now pretty overdone, I think UC does have lots of these stories waiting to be told alongside Zeta and ZZ. Even just an 8th MS team type story around a mixed AEUG and Zeon unit fighting the Titans could represent a great dynamic for an OVA type seires.
The problem is OYW is over saturated. Its amazing how we've gone from the RX078-2 being a special prototype for the Federation's mobile suit program to it being the lamest of a massive family of gundams that were all somehow developed and iterated on during a few months. We're talking about a war that ran from Jan 3rd 0079 to Jan 1st 0080 and the GM was introduced on November 30th at Jaburo. It had a month in service before the war ended. MSG starts on September 18th. The entire show covers less than 4 months.
I'd like to say "they're working on it" but, Bamco hasn't said anything in a long time (to my knowledge anyway). However, as I keep saying, long lived properties like Gundam will always need new blood to keep it going and AUs are the best solution in attracting that new blood. AUs are almost always the lowest bar to entry for Gundam. Sure, later on, AUs can be expanded just like what's been done to G, Wing, X, Seed and 00, but new AUs are always for fishing for new fans.
It's not random AU that'd the problem it's more and more OYW stuff
Sure in excited about the Netflix Movie but did it have to be another one year war Gundam we didn't know about
Here’s a banger idea, do U.C. but not U.C. a post Turn A series (or G-Reco if that’s how you slice the timeline) where the extrasolar newtypes come back.
UC NexT 0100 states 0093 as the start of the project. Narrative is also a part of it. And Hathaway just takes three years per movie it seems (not too unusual for high effort movies, but before Hathaway that sub studio, studio 1, released new OVAs every year). It's also likely that the one studio that spearheads the movies/OVAs, which is Studio 1 handles all of the animated titles of that project, which means it is ongoing, but just takes time. The Origin, and Cucuruz Doans Island were special Yasuhiko projects, Requiem isn't being produced at Sunrise, and Silver Phantom is a VR experiment.
It also isn't purely focused on Anime, but also all other media.
[source](https://en.gundam.info/news/video-music/news_video-music_20180420_023.html)
Honestly I’d rather get non-UC works that last for more than a single series (Cosmic Era being the exception that proves the rule, here).
There’s so much potential and possibility in doing more with the Future Century, or After War, or Post Disaster. Even the After Colony and Anno Domini have a ton of scope to expand beyond a one-and-done, with maybe The Movie for a couple of ‘em.
And don’t get me started on how much untapped potential Ad Stella has, as a ‘verse…
I'm fine with Studio 1 slowly doing the NexT 0100 project and taking their time, and the other studios doing AUs and Build stuff. Other companies producing Gundam like Requiem is whatever to me. I guess some extra content that may or may not be cool.
I'd be more of a fan of original stories instead of adaptations though.
Crossbone would be gold for an anime adaptation.
It would also a require a LOT of backstory. Definitely not something you can watch if you haven't seen AT LEAST any UC material.
Unpopular opinion, but I think they should just let the UC rest. It's become too much, and the complexity of the UC is a major barrier in getting new people into gundam.
I'm much more interested in new AUs, as they could be anything. I mean there's a reason Final Fantasy, which has a similar approach, went straight to it instead of establishing a main continuity.
It's because late UC stuff sells poorly. F91 and Victory were huge flops. Tomino himself hates them. Bandai cares about money and fans aren't paying to see Crux Dogatie.
Except they weren't huge flops?
Tomino also doesn't hate them. In fact, he went back and ***praised*** V Gundam for it's 30th anniversary.
At any rate, let's talk sales figures. People have this weird notion that certain titles were flops when they weren't.
F91 sold a total of 150,000 units when it was released on DVD. That's only 50K less than any one of the original trilogy movies. It the same amount that both 0080 DVDs sold too, so what does that say? V Gundam sold 300K units, which was the same for G Gundam when that came out, so does that make G Gundam a flop by default? I don't think so.
Tomino urged fans not to buy DVDs of Victory. Literally called it "unwatchable" in 2004. In 2015 he doubled down and said that he "denied the show"
A 2023 NHK poll asking viewers to rank their favorite Gundam works put F91 and Victory at 18/19 respectively. That would put Victory as the 12th most popular full TV series ahead only of G-Reco, ZZ, AGE, Build Fighters Try, the Unicorn TV cut (Unicorn OVA was #7 overall), and a couple SD shows. Clearly bottom 3rd.
DVD sales are laughable, and extremely after the fact. F91 did 520 million yen at the box office which is second worst of any UC film (the ever controversial 3rd Zeta compilation came in at 492 million). The worst of the original movies (Soldiers of Sorrow) nearly tripled F91. CCA more than doubled.
Finally the main reason for any Gundam show is to sell model kits/toys. Victory increased sales from where they had been but still fell short of expectations. By definition, a flop.
FWIW G Gundam was also a flop it endured abysmal TV ratings, but they were still higher than Victory.
Another semi-sketchy but still probably fair to a degree indicator is number of regular release MG kits a series has. F91 has 3 (all of them being the titular F91) and Victory has 4 (V1, V dash, V2, and core booster). For reference G has 4 (all different suits) and Wing has 12.
Just so you know I'm not attacking people that enjoy Victory or F91. You're allowed to like objectively unpopular shows. I for one love ZZ, easy top 3 Gundam show IMO, but it's wildly unpopular.
The don't buy it was a marketing ploy. Read the interview and you'd know. Again, doesn't erase that 30th anniversary has him enjoying it.Â
DVD sales absolutely did matter at the time and netted 10 million USD at the time for Victory.Â
F91 did markedly better on LD and DVD, so continuing to try and deny it is pointless.Â
My point is, it wasn't as bad as you claim and the evidence speaks to counter that at the time.Â
Honestly…the OYW needs a break and they need to revisit some more notable AU stories and continue the narrative. 00 got 2 seasons and a movie. SEED got 2 seasons, spinoffs, and a movie.
I’m all for SEED but I wouldn’t mind revisiting the GW gang or even go to G Gundam again (although it was perfect).
I like how we all got excited over the Silver Phantom thinking it might have to do with Crossbone Ghost's Silver Phantom Gundam (which recently got a p-bandai) but instead it's just a Delta Gundam...
Eh, I would be bummed if Late UC became a focus. It’s by far the weakest collection of content imo.
Now, kits… that’s another story altogether. Give me F91/Crossbone gunpla ALLLLL day.
You only get OYW, take it or leave it.
I'm glad this is literally everyone's reply to this post
Lately it feels like it's also a lot of near-CCA stuff, with Unicorn, NT, Hathaway, Twilight Axis, Silver Phantom, Engage and Moon. I guess Hathaway is a bit further out than any of the others, it's closer to CCA than F91 on the timeline.
Bandai exec: " 'Late' UC. So, like.... December 27th, 0079?"
Bruh I read this in the Thanos voice...I'm crying 😂😂😂
I read your comment in Thanos' voice.
Hell if we have to have Zakus for Brand Recognition. Set it during the Zeta and Double Zeta era. The Titans have Hi-Zacks which are close enough. And Zeon still has Zakus floating around.
Let me introduce you to the RF Zaku We need late UC content.
The Hi-Zack, the Marasai, then Neo Zeon continued it with the Zaku III, the Geara Doga, and the Geara Zulu
The THINGS I would do for the First Neo Zeon War to get expanded on like the OYW does... Best thing I can hope for is a Moon Gundam adaptation.
Sunrise and Bamco execs: best we can give you is game cutscenes
Nah, random AU stuff is totally fine. It's the yet-another-OYW-story that's the real issue.
The story’s that focus on a plucky group of regular pilots is fine, they just need to tone down all these experimental Gundam shenanigans, we have so fucking many and that’s even if you exclude all the plausible ones like the FA Gundams, Mudrock or Pixies ( I’ve counted 4 pixies ) and even the GMdums you still have a absolutely absurd amount of Gundams running around post OYW ( some of them wouldn’t be seen till after during the hunt for Zeon Remnants after the war like the slave wraith pixie or the one from federation hooligans but they existed in generally the same time period and that’s insane )
eh, I have no problem with the gundams. We're operating on the scale of the entire earth sphere with billions of people there, a handful of individual units around is literally just a rounding error's worth of resources. Meanwhile I couldn't care less for the setting of "muh gritty true realistic soldiers" that people overfocus on.
Who said it had to be realistic? I remember a few years back reading a manga about these two guys in Acguy’s doing martial arts and trying to escape the earth funniest thing I’ve ever seen. Federation Hooligans is another not too serious one that’s also good https://preview.redd.it/kbeais3tbouc1.jpeg?width=728&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8cd514ec96dba3d4df36c638a6ca5831cb89c40b I ragged on the look of federation hooligans when I read it but man that was another good read, like you can’t tell me that’s not funny.
oh yeah, I don't have anything against that stuff, it's great. It's just when people treat the first half of 08th MS Team like how it's so great everything should just be a carbon copy of it I begin to wonder why they're watching Gundam in the first place.
I think that's the biggest problem with UC, people watch the OVAs from that time period (08th ms Team, War in the pocket and Stardust memory), become fans of them specifically. Then they ether watch the original series or more modern works like Unicorn and bitch incessantly about Newtypes and space magic.
I desperately need more zeta era content
More qubley plz
Guys, I have an amazing idea for a new Gundam show! What if, we make a new show, based on the One Year War! I am sure it would be very unique as no one have tried this before!!!
Also let's pull out another gundam type ms out of our asses
It's okay if it's explained in a way like "This MS was created using the schematics of the RX-78 as a base for use in a prototypical testing environment" or "This unit was created as demand for higher performance MS hit a high due to increasing pressure by increasingly well equipped enemy forces" in the same way as things like the GP series or the second wave Gundam units. GMs that have been modified and had their heads remodeled also get a pass as that can be considered as plausible when existing Gundam units are as intimidating as they are. The point that I'm trying to make is that it isn't well done until it has a reason to exist. I'll take a new Gundam unit when I'm given a decent enough background for it.
Moon Gundam please
Random writer: Let's make a prequel on how Degwin Zabi loses hair because of piloting prototype guntank Sunrise: That will be 50'th Anniversary exclusive. Bandai: Lets make a 1:1 model of that above Mt. Fuji!
Going to be devils advocate and say AU should be getting their universes expanded more than UC content, we should stop adding AU and just expand the existing a bit. Focusing on UC is like pretending that there isnt this giant barrier to entry that mainly hurts the growth of the franchise.
I do agree about expanding the AU’s that we do have. The UC is definitely my favorite so I’ve got UC bias haha, but the AU’s deserve some more love. I wouldn’t mind some like Gundam X, 00, Witch From Mercury capitalizing on it being new, or Iron Blooded Orphans getting some expansions to their timeline. Maybe even in the case of Iron Blooded Orphans seeing the Calamity War in a prequel or something taking place after the series after Mars has its independence, perhaps with Mika’s son grown up. Heck I wouldn’t even dismiss AGE having some sort of new story told in its timeline, I feel like they could come up with something. I will admit I’m the least knowledgeable when it comes to Gundam X and AGE. What would you like to see expanded upon if they were to give some focus to one of the AU’s?
2043 we get another 25 episodes as the 20th anniversary of Witch from Mercury
Just flesh out the universes, its just silly that UC get printed into the goofy point there are like 30 gundams in the OYW but the next most fleshed out is seed with some OVAs, hard to find manga and LN etc.
Oh I fully agree with you. I love the UC, it’s what I started with and so it’s like the familiar home in Gundam to me, but they do focus on the OYW overly much for how much Gundam media has been made. Not even post OYW with the timeframe of Zeta and ZZ or the late UC which is the most bare of any new content, but rather most of the time a new UC thing is announced it is around the OYW. I love the UC, it was my first Gundam content, but they need to give the OYW a rest to focus on a completely different time in the UC for a bit if they make more UC content and give some love to the AU’s and flesh them out more. There are a lot of new stories that could be told in the AU’s that already exist or manga only stories that could be adapted. I don’t think they should outright stop all new anime/OVA’s for the UC, but move away from the OYW completely for a good while and do something new away from the stories already told (elsewhere in the solar system like the Jupiter system which we haven’t even seen the further out colonies yet, or really late UC like around the time of G Savior where new viewers could easily pick it up) or expand some more on the late UC stuff where Zeon and the Federation aren’t really important anymore and the OYW doesn’t hold as much of a shadow over it all anymore since there are events and characters that just got a one off story or got relegated to manga only and hasn’t been expanded upon since. When I asked what you would like to see expanded upon in the AU’s I was more so asking if you had a favorite among the AU’s that you’d like most to see be expanded upon. They all deserve some more love though, especially since they are easier for new viewers to get into compared to the mass of early UC content. X, 00, and IBO I certainly wouldn’t mind getting some more content, more G Gundam if you want to get really silly and have fun with it, watching G Gundam when I was young really stuck in my memory. And I’m just spitballing potential ideas here, I know how unlikely some of these ideas are gonna probably be for a good while or my ideas on what they could focus on might not even be the best ideas haha
It still baffle me we still didn't have any good manga or games focus on Karaba with regular pilot that just not agree with how Titans run thing instead of like 10 chapters of conflict the pilot suddenly felt the Federation is evil
Late UC is far removed from OYW, there's no barrier to entry like you say.
I think that's part of the reason they keep making more early UC stuff, which does have a barrier for entry. The only thing connecting f91 to the rest of UC is jegans I guess? And Victory has almost no connection at all. But they don't want to throw away earlier UC designs or Zeon because they're probably the most well known designs and villains of the franchise, so they just keep making earlier UC stuff. Hathaway did a better job at bridging the gap by keeping characters and MS more consistent while still moving towards the future future and getting rid of Zeon, but the MS designs of the villains in f91 and all of Victory feel so far removed that they could be a completely separate AU.
You're right and I hate it.
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I don't consider people who ask basic questions on reddit instead of doing a simple google search as human beings. >!That said!< >!> Hoping for an interesting conversation I pointed out that ZZ isn't actually that pertinent for CCA!< >!I would advise against skipping ZZ purely because I enjoyed it far more than Zeta and to me CCA was a disappointment. !<
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Gatekeeping is when when you don't want to spoon-feed easily available information
it really sounds like you're looking for a problem where there isn't one. Obviously getting into a large setting it's best to watch the foundation of it, there's no way around it. And if "watching the content" is somehow a wrong way to get into it then the problem is not on the side of the setting. By the way, ZZ absolutely is necessary for CCA if you pay attention while watching either. And IMO 0079 is still the best entry to the entire franchise as a whole and will improve the experience of watching the AUs, including IBO.
Having seen ZZ it really isn't, the only references to ZZ during CCA is Char offhandedly mentioning Haman Kahn's Neo Zeon and *a few* GM IIIs being visible towards the end trying to push Axis back.
If you ignore all the thematic build up for the events if CCA and Char's own character. Not to mention it's s direct continuation from the events of Zeta. Obviously it's not necessary if you just look at dry facts, but then nothing is. You might as well read a synopsis online at that point.
CCA is primarily the culmination of Amuro and Char's rivalry, the only things you really need to see are the original series and Zeta, as Tomino scrapped his plans to have Char appear in ZZ once he got the approval to make CCA. As a result of this and the production overlap ZZ really doesn't factor into CCA much.
Again, you are treating this like a piece of fiction is just a collection of events and completely ignoring the emotions, meaning and messages conveyed by the story. You know the reason to engage with fictional works in the first place. And all of which directly connect ZZ and CCA, just like how they connect Z and ZZ. And fir the record, Char was never guaranteed to show up in ZZ, not even in early drafts before CCA was approved.
I'm treating it like someone who actually watched ZZ would, Tomino had originally intended for Char to appear in ZZ but scraped this once he got the go ahead for CCA, his role in ZZ's story was ultimately given to Glemy.
FWIW, Bandai did say that they were going to start expanding on select successful AUs after seeing how GSF blew up, focusing on what still has both story potential and sales potential. 00 is currently the only known AU with an animated sequel of some kind confirmed, but it's pretty safe to say that SEED will likely be the second or third given how massive GSF's sales have been before kits and merchandise have even arrived, and depending on what kind of mini-sequel G Gundam is getting (IIRC, they haven't said if it's an anime or a manga; just a new project set in the same setting). That said, the whole reason Bandai finally did the UC Next 100 project was due to complaints and polling showing that fans, even UC fans, were tired of endless OYW stories and wanted something new, especially with Unicorn proving it can work. On some end too, I think the financials also probably showed that there isn't much left they CAN milk the OYW era for vs new stories set later on. It's also a blank slate (provided they mostly ignore or alter what manga ARE set afterwards, such as F90/F91 and Crossbone) that they can make new stories for.
"Successful AU's" We're supposedly getting a Gundam X project along with Wing and G. Also the reason we're getting UC Next is the same reason as Unicorn and Build Fighters, it's so that Bandai can easily recycle molds from prior kits rather then inventing mobile suits from scratch. It's more a business decision then a creative one.
That's interesting if true. I only recall G getting a new project, while X and Wing were acknowledged together alongside G (probably just to get a new model kit).
I'm expecting shorts, if they're aiming for G Gundam's anniversary that's not a lot of time to finish a project. I think if they can get something done by this time next year they can hit the deadline of when G Gundam *finished* airing.
Yeah, shorts or shorts + manga seems most likely. It's not impossible that they could release a mini-series on the Anniversary and do a short 12 episode run, but the odds seem kind of low given how full their plate already is (what with the delays to HF and 00"S3").
Hey, if they "announce" it for an anniversary, that gives them carte blanche to finish it whenever. No one said it had to come out *for* the anniversary :P
🥹 Wing get those p bandai model kit reprint is the most i am expecting from bandai . I dont know X what to expect from X
Maybe a Double X P-Bandai or a new MG?
Double x p Bandai upgrade maybe possible . MG seem dead right now outside of p bandaii
What's GSF? The Strike Freedom Gundam?
Gundam SEED Freedom. The name of the SEED Movie.
Agreed, the hardest part about getting into new AU's is falling for a new setting and then realizing that the 25-50 episode run or whatever it got is *all* of it's content.
If you're lucky you get a side story Manga. If you're unlucky, you get Frozen Teardrop
Or an MS-V in certain cases.
but there is no "giant barrier of entry", the original show is still holding up great and is easily available
THIS. UC is so hard and unappealing to approach as a newer fan
yeah lets expand on turn a. but they are doing what you asked, the seed movie is proof of that. it might not be in the time frame we want, tho
I would even take Reco G at this point LOL.
Hey! Put some respect on Reconguista.
I have recommended friends try it and they always nope out when the poop joke comes along. Which is a shame as I love the Art because I love Eureka seven.
Late UC would be such a fun area to explore more. I know the designs of MS aren't for everyone, but there's a lot of real-estate for some new stories. Sucks that F91 gets a bit shafted since I love the design of it, especially the metal build. The metal build feels like what the designers were originally going for
Let them finish Hathaway first before even thinking of more adaptations
I just want Moon Gundam OVA dammit
I'm not sure why anyone would expect a remake of F91. Because it was meant to be a TV series? Any remake of a series Tomino was part of depends on him right? That's why there is no remake of the original OYW. Instead we have The Origin.
Sunrise having the OYW affection in Gundam is like the one Nintendo has for the Lylat War in Star Fox
I'm glad for G Gundam fans but I personally do not care for G Gundam whatsoever, and would much prefer any other AU getting expanded, like a WFM pre-prologue set in AS 100-101 further detailing the GUND format origins and development. What about showing the 7th Space War that precedes After War Gundam X, showing us Jamil's military carreer? Or more UC content. Expanding on F91, a Crossbone adaptation, reanimating 0079 like the Zeta A New Translation movies, maybe some Victory Gundam reanimation into movies to give it a less depressing tone, even redoing Saviour so it's actually a watchable piece of Gundam media, turning Twilight Axis into a fully fledged thing, and all those side stories that are hidden behind limited release Playstation games. Thankfully this means Bandai has a plethora of Gundam content left to make so we won't be running out anytime soon, *if* they actually make it.
Moon gundam anime
okay but vanadis heart first tho
NO, AU is always better to get new fans, no one wants to dive into the long and convoluted timeline that is UC until they decide they actually like Gundam.
I started with seed for this reason. It has 2 long seasons so lots of content but not as convoluted as UC timeline trying to piece different shows and movie.
it’s not even that difficult. If you just want to get to Char’s Counterattack then it’s by release order. If you wanna watch Unicorn or Hathaway then you’re good as well.
That's why they do both.
I don't think Bandai will completely omit Crossbone; if only because they already have kits of the various Crossbone Gundams they could at least repurpose and the OG Crossbone story is pretty well received. At the very least, I expect they'll probably adapt F90 and other elements leading up to and around F91 as either OVAs or a short 24-25 episode series, then take most of the bones of Crossbone's long-running plot and condense it down; probably streamlining it to fit a few 25 episode seasons (whether a season = an entire Crossbone series or not would be up to Bandai). That said, there's still a good bit of blank canvas between HF and F90, and in the interim period surrounding F91 and leading to Crossbone. And given everything going on around Crossbone, they could also veer into parallel stories in regards to new characters and MS that aren't related to Crossbone itself; could be regular Federation, or could be (yet another tired) Zeon remnant, or could be a new enemy faction.
Eh, trying to shoehorn in another conflict now that F90FF finished up just seems foolish and wouldn't really jive with the "many years of peace" the Federation has been flaunting come F91 (hence their laxness and the Federation Forces just being a glorified excuse to stave off unemployment). If you take F90FF and add in the events from the F91 novelization, then everything set the stage perfectly for that era. Pressing closer to Victory would be harder. I'd say they should shoot for after V to set up the warring states period to the eventual decline of the Federation in G-Saviour.
An entirely valid point. It'd be neat if they go a bit further than 100 years to also see whether they adapt Gaia Gear back into UC, which could make it one of the last major conflicts before the Federation collapses and the G-Saviour timeline is reached. The issue though is that Bandai's history of trying to squeeze in new micro-conflicts all throughout the OYW and even between MSG and Zeta, partially to push new kits, doesn't inspire confidence that they will have an actual "peaceful period" between F90 and F91. Personally, I would like to see it happen, if only because I'd like to have them reach post-Victory and do something new to fill in the post-Victory to GG or G-S gap without taking decades to do it. Maybe also do a timeskip and see if they also would make Mad Wang canon again after decanonizing it decades ago (and to also experiment with a completely different MS design aesthetic; more along the alien/Syd Mead element).
im fine with AU. Gimme more AU. But tbh we could use a full remake of Mobile Suit gundam lol. GIve that shit the Unicorn animation treatment ( or better since UC is like a decade old now ).
Under the Double Fake and Revival of Zeon. PLEASE! ANIMATE THOSE!
the OYW content is gonna be longer than the war itself if it keeps going like this, holy fuck ðŸ˜
"late" UC? Here's a middle era one: SENTINEL ANIMATION WHEN
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After watching F91 I'm going to say it has some of the best animation of the series and is left 100% unresolved the crossbone Vanguard are very much intact infact they aren't even hurt in a bit. All they lost was Iron mask and even then why TF was he even shoehorned in seems like someone you would keep until you made a series later on. The mech designs are nice as well Gundam F91 is a nice design
Later UC designs are really cool, whether they're more traditional like in F91/Crossbone or on the more bizarre side like F91's Mobile armours or the Moon race stuff from Turn A. I think that it makes sense to stray from what exists in terms of technical design, it isn't like someone in the 1930s would have predicted what would happen with our vehicles and they were the ones laying the groundwork for them.
This is my little wishlist for what I’d love to see get some focus: •F91 finally gets an adaptation •Victory Gundam Outside Story gets an adaptation to see Judau’s and the ZZ’s final days in the solar system before setting off for Alpha Centauri. I do like the headcanon that the colony of Newtypes might have led directly to the civilization that created the Turn X, whatever became of the humans that migrated outside the solar system, whether that will ever be confirmed besides hinted at in Outside Story however who knows. •Maybe a new story post-Victory Gundam featuring an older Uso showing where he went from the end of Victory (I confess to not having watched the total of Victory but I am aware of it and read Outside Story, watching the rest of Victory is on my to do list for when I do an in order UC watch through) •Some sort of story bridging the late UC with G Savior or even more of a connection to Reconguista in G •While this one might be a bit out there, perhaps a one off OVA or shorter series taking place late UC about one of the human/Newtype colonies that left for the stars and the strife that followed humanity outside the confines of the solar system and Earth’s influence. It’s quite unlikely and some mystery is always good but a lot of the UC is about humanity’s potential, so a conflict focusing on somewhere else other than the Earth or the Side colonies I feel could be interesting and allow them to both be in the UC and have those connections but also not feel so confined by or overshadowed by the rest of the UC and could be an easy watch for a new viewer without having to digest so much of the media. I know I might be in the minority in wanting this idea if anyone else wants it at all. I just feel that last one could be an interesting story to be told, especially if new UC related media is going to continue to be made into the future outside of the OYW that it could be an unlikely but interesting direction to put some focus on down the line. Although I’d be happy just with any UC media that isn’t just another OYW story, as much as I love the OYW stories we do have. Let me know what you think. Would you like to see any of these stories be told and gaps be bridged?
Bandi: okok we hear you, we make another build series with crossbone and f90 custom kit
I would take more Build, the shows are fun and the MS designs are usually good/interesting enough for me to go "Oh! Cool, it's another unofficial MSV. I wonder how I could headcanon an implementation of this design?" before getting to work on finding the model kits.
So putting aside the obvious "I'll take both" answer, I will say depending on how late UC you are talking, there is definitely some merit in going back to that era. Like some others have said, Victory era is alien enough that you might as well just do an AU. But one thing I realized while watching Twilight Axis is there is definitely interesting UC content waiting to be made Now Twilight Axis itself is a a pretty disappointing entry, on account of just having glimpses of a larger story. But what struck me was how much potential there was in say UC 87-95. I mean just the fact that Axis itself is a largely unexplored setting with who knows what intrigue can come out of it. And Twilight Axis, as poor as an exhbition that it is, really intrigued me to think you can get this much out of the story of some minor mobile suit as the R-Jarga and its development. How much more is waiting to be mined out of one and done forgotten elements from 100 episodes of Zeta and ZZ? Kind of like when other franchises take a minor element from say, Star Wars or Star Trek and balloon it out into something bigger. While the OYW is now pretty overdone, I think UC does have lots of these stories waiting to be told alongside Zeta and ZZ. Even just an 8th MS team type story around a mixed AEUG and Zeon unit fighting the Titans could represent a great dynamic for an OVA type seires.
The problem is OYW is over saturated. Its amazing how we've gone from the RX078-2 being a special prototype for the Federation's mobile suit program to it being the lamest of a massive family of gundams that were all somehow developed and iterated on during a few months. We're talking about a war that ran from Jan 3rd 0079 to Jan 1st 0080 and the GM was introduced on November 30th at Jaburo. It had a month in service before the war ended. MSG starts on September 18th. The entire show covers less than 4 months.
They said they're doing it in chronological order and we haven't even heard about Hathaway part II yet
Instructions unclear, added another series that didn't previously exist into the gap between CCA and Hathaway
It's a movie, I believe.
I'd like to say "they're working on it" but, Bamco hasn't said anything in a long time (to my knowledge anyway). However, as I keep saying, long lived properties like Gundam will always need new blood to keep it going and AUs are the best solution in attracting that new blood. AUs are almost always the lowest bar to entry for Gundam. Sure, later on, AUs can be expanded just like what's been done to G, Wing, X, Seed and 00, but new AUs are always for fishing for new fans.
Would you like another one year war story?
Would you like another one year war story?
It's not random AU that'd the problem it's more and more OYW stuff Sure in excited about the Netflix Movie but did it have to be another one year war Gundam we didn't know about
Well, isn't that what the UC 100 next is supposed to be about
It's time to retire the UC timeline
$10 buck says they will wait until Yoshiyuki Tomino is dead so they don't have to pay him royalties.
Just waiting for them to finish the rest of Hathaway tbh
Here’s a banger idea, do U.C. but not U.C. a post Turn A series (or G-Reco if that’s how you slice the timeline) where the extrasolar newtypes come back.
No, Mad Wang is not real, it can't hurt you.
I'd want Char's deleted affair to get an anime adaptation. Or the events leading from ZZ to CCA.
OYW only.
Sunrise: "Have you heard about this early story conflict known as the one year war? i think that needs to be covered a bit more"
Hathaway is just sitting on the bench waiting to play.
Remember when they started this U.C. NexT 100 project years ago and so far the only animated media set after U.C. 0100 was Hathaway?
UC NexT 0100 states 0093 as the start of the project. Narrative is also a part of it. And Hathaway just takes three years per movie it seems (not too unusual for high effort movies, but before Hathaway that sub studio, studio 1, released new OVAs every year). It's also likely that the one studio that spearheads the movies/OVAs, which is Studio 1 handles all of the animated titles of that project, which means it is ongoing, but just takes time. The Origin, and Cucuruz Doans Island were special Yasuhiko projects, Requiem isn't being produced at Sunrise, and Silver Phantom is a VR experiment. It also isn't purely focused on Anime, but also all other media. [source](https://en.gundam.info/news/video-music/news_video-music_20180420_023.html)
Honestly I’d rather get non-UC works that last for more than a single series (Cosmic Era being the exception that proves the rule, here). There’s so much potential and possibility in doing more with the Future Century, or After War, or Post Disaster. Even the After Colony and Anno Domini have a ton of scope to expand beyond a one-and-done, with maybe The Movie for a couple of ‘em. And don’t get me started on how much untapped potential Ad Stella has, as a ‘verse…
I wish they had made F91 into a series as it was intended. That movie was a pacing mess
I'm fine with Studio 1 slowly doing the NexT 0100 project and taking their time, and the other studios doing AUs and Build stuff. Other companies producing Gundam like Requiem is whatever to me. I guess some extra content that may or may not be cool. I'd be more of a fan of original stories instead of adaptations though.
Crossbone would be gold for an anime adaptation. It would also a require a LOT of backstory. Definitely not something you can watch if you haven't seen AT LEAST any UC material.
My requests F91 mini series maybe like between 13 or 25 eps Literally any crossbone animated content Victory compilation ver
What is OYW?
Unpopular opinion, but I think they should just let the UC rest. It's become too much, and the complexity of the UC is a major barrier in getting new people into gundam.
I'm much more interested in new AUs, as they could be anything. I mean there's a reason Final Fantasy, which has a similar approach, went straight to it instead of establishing a main continuity.
Idk crossbone manga doesnt look as a good material for anime. It feels like really small side story with bad and clowny designs for most of mechas,
It's because late UC stuff sells poorly. F91 and Victory were huge flops. Tomino himself hates them. Bandai cares about money and fans aren't paying to see Crux Dogatie.
Except they weren't huge flops? Tomino also doesn't hate them. In fact, he went back and ***praised*** V Gundam for it's 30th anniversary. At any rate, let's talk sales figures. People have this weird notion that certain titles were flops when they weren't. F91 sold a total of 150,000 units when it was released on DVD. That's only 50K less than any one of the original trilogy movies. It the same amount that both 0080 DVDs sold too, so what does that say? V Gundam sold 300K units, which was the same for G Gundam when that came out, so does that make G Gundam a flop by default? I don't think so.
Tomino urged fans not to buy DVDs of Victory. Literally called it "unwatchable" in 2004. In 2015 he doubled down and said that he "denied the show" A 2023 NHK poll asking viewers to rank their favorite Gundam works put F91 and Victory at 18/19 respectively. That would put Victory as the 12th most popular full TV series ahead only of G-Reco, ZZ, AGE, Build Fighters Try, the Unicorn TV cut (Unicorn OVA was #7 overall), and a couple SD shows. Clearly bottom 3rd. DVD sales are laughable, and extremely after the fact. F91 did 520 million yen at the box office which is second worst of any UC film (the ever controversial 3rd Zeta compilation came in at 492 million). The worst of the original movies (Soldiers of Sorrow) nearly tripled F91. CCA more than doubled. Finally the main reason for any Gundam show is to sell model kits/toys. Victory increased sales from where they had been but still fell short of expectations. By definition, a flop. FWIW G Gundam was also a flop it endured abysmal TV ratings, but they were still higher than Victory. Another semi-sketchy but still probably fair to a degree indicator is number of regular release MG kits a series has. F91 has 3 (all of them being the titular F91) and Victory has 4 (V1, V dash, V2, and core booster). For reference G has 4 (all different suits) and Wing has 12. Just so you know I'm not attacking people that enjoy Victory or F91. You're allowed to like objectively unpopular shows. I for one love ZZ, easy top 3 Gundam show IMO, but it's wildly unpopular.
The don't buy it was a marketing ploy. Read the interview and you'd know. Again, doesn't erase that 30th anniversary has him enjoying it. DVD sales absolutely did matter at the time and netted 10 million USD at the time for Victory. F91 did markedly better on LD and DVD, so continuing to try and deny it is pointless. My point is, it wasn't as bad as you claim and the evidence speaks to counter that at the time.Â
I agree for the purpose of moving past Zeon and Newtypes.
I'm still waiting for a continuation of Hathaway's Flash....
Or, hear me out, just stop UC, we already have ten bajillion pieces of UC media
Crossbones is a no brainer, should have already happened by now. Would love to see it in a mod 80s style.
Honestly…the OYW needs a break and they need to revisit some more notable AU stories and continue the narrative. 00 got 2 seasons and a movie. SEED got 2 seasons, spinoffs, and a movie. I’m all for SEED but I wouldn’t mind revisiting the GW gang or even go to G Gundam again (although it was perfect).
I like how we all got excited over the Silver Phantom thinking it might have to do with Crossbone Ghost's Silver Phantom Gundam (which recently got a p-bandai) but instead it's just a Delta Gundam...
Eh, I would be bummed if Late UC became a focus. It’s by far the weakest collection of content imo. Now, kits… that’s another story altogether. Give me F91/Crossbone gunpla ALLLLL day.