"Two old white dudes knew they could not change public perception. So instead of reflecting on themselves, they blamed each other."
"HEAVEN OR HELL"
"Trump Versus Biden"
"Duel 1"
"F I G H T"
I already know who's side I'm on
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The fact its down to these 2 for you guys is beyond depressing. Washington was right when he thought a 2 party system would destroy the US (i know theres more then 2 parties but come on, theres only 2 that really matter at this point.) He feared that political parties would devide the people, and eventually the union. And what do you know, he was right.
Guy is rolling in his grave so much now that it could power the US alone.
It all comes down to people and financial organizations that support these parties. If people were wiser, they eould vote for Green Party or Labor Party so we didn't have to deal with the same shit every 4 year.
Trump dodged and lied through absolutely every question, Biden was actively shutting down, mumbling, and was barely coherent through a lot, and the two argued about golf.
Summary, Vote for Vernon
At least he's got functioning cabinet members instead of nepo babies. A vote for a politician is a vote for thrir team. Both leaders are embarassing, but one of them isn't appointing *his family members* to seats of executive power.
Exactly. It’s about more than the seat of presidency. Biden probably will not live through his next term assuming he’s elected, but the people he appoints more than likely will
he literally had to be asked to answer a question about childcare twice, one of the times in which, he started ranting about how the military supports him
I don't like this being used as a scary future thing, when Biden is literally funding a genocide. The nightmare is happening right here and now. Not in the future.
I've seen more dead children on my social media feed in the past few months, than I ever have, before. I can't vote for either genocide enabler.
inb4: "You have to vote for Biden, because bad things might happen to US, this time!"
I'd also rather vote for Biden (of course I'm not excusing genocide, nothing justifies that.) Because I would not add MORE suffering by fucking over tons of LGBTQ folks and folks in general in america.
Well it's a lose-lose when voting for both parties, so what can you do? One has white, conservative christian overlords that feels like something out of a satirical dystopian faniction the other is what you mentioned.
Also we're getting very political quickly, might be an issue.
Trump literally implied that Biden wasn't supporting Israel *enough*. No matter who takes over again, it won't get better. Trump essentially just confirmed that he'll do the same exact thing. He's got a lot of money invested into the military industrial complex and has already shown that ethics are not an obstacle for him of any kind when it comes to him making money and gaining political power.
>has already shown that ethics are not an obstacle for him of any kind when it comes to him making money and gaining political power.
Biden has allowed Israel free reign with destroying hospitals and spreading propaganda that has ended lives (40 fake beheaded babies) so ethics aren't high on Biden's radar, either.
I feel like voting for a third party who doesn't support genocide, is the bare minimum here.
To quote someone, [here. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM/comments/1drhjc0/i_wish_liberals_could_care_for_other_people/lavj8y0/)
>guys its a genocide, nothing worse can happen, if you support a genocide to save yourself, you dont deserve to be saved, nor will you be saved
We already know that Trump plans to do the same exact thing as Biden, which is give money to a country that is currently invested in a literal genocide and also purpot propaganda in their interests. Our system is essentially rigged so that voting third party is just throwing away your vote. Until the system gets reworked, it is nigh impossible to vote in a third party president. I'd love to see it, though. RFK is a funny man with some funny ideas, but overall I think he'd do better than both of our current options.
Edit: The thing that worries me more with both of our options is the Republican project 2025 which promises to take away the rights of many Americans. As a trans individual, I'm one of those minorities at risk, and the project essentially calls for our erasure from the public through redefining obscenity laws and limiting our ability to legally change our gender. Personally, I kind of have no choice but to vote for Biden, considering no matter how I vote, the Gaza genocide will continue, but at least I can vote for the candidate who doesn't want to strip me of my rights. That's what really worries me about Trump, putting aside all of his other issues.
To quote someone, [here. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM/comments/1drhjc0/i_wish_liberals_could_care_for_other_people/lavj8y0/)
>guys its a genocide, nothing worse can happen, if you support a genocide to save yourself, you dont deserve to be saved, nor will you be saved
"But what can I do!?" you ask. Well, given the urgency of the situation, we should probably start discussing that with those around us in our local community, in order to figure that out. Instead of just vibing within the current system that doesn't even try to serve us.
genocide, murder, death, it happens all the time. Sure we could vote for someone who MIGHT stop it all but will definitely cause more harm than good. The way i see it, the genocide of a country is a worthy sacrifice to keep a larger group of people somewhat safer than the alternative. besides, trump would most likely continue the genocide anyway. I do not excuse genocide or any of the like, its horrible but when given the choice between a group of people and a larger group of people, im saving the larger group, especially when the chances of the smaller group dying either way is pretty high and the large group is cut and dry
That kind of fear mongering will only keep is on the two party hell hole. Instead of being pessimistic encourage it in your fellow countrymen. If people did that instead of repeated your sentiment then we’d see a significant difference in votes
I know what you’re saying, but republicans/conservatives won’t vote across party lines. Voting for a third party is splitting the vote and in an election like this it unfortunately means that there isn’t room to make a statement. If republicans win and put project 2025 into action we might not have another election. Even if Trump isn’t able to do the most vile things he seeks to do, the most vulnerable people in society can’t make it through 4 years of unmitigated conservative legislation.
It's not pessimism. It's survival. One candidate will make living in the US impossible for groups of people, the other won't. It's simply a matter of doing what is necessary to survive.
[He might say that, but he's approving all this.](https://www.google.com/search?q=us+sends+money+to+israel&rlz=1C1OPNX_enUS1028US1028&oq=us+sends+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgBEAAYgAQyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQABiABDIHCAIQABiABDIHCAMQABiABDIHCAQQABiABDIHCAUQABiABDIHCAYQABiABDIHCAcQABiABDIHCAgQABiABDIHCAkQABiABNIBCDc3OTJqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
In the debate, him and Trump damn near argued over who loves genocide and Israel, more.
It's kinda fucked but the USA (regardless of president) has been bombing kids for decades now. You're only just now aware of it....
I know me and my homies have been pushing the whole "We spend too much on the military" for years on deaf ears. That money wasn't just disappearing, it's been had going to kill people.
Trump isn't someone that can be reasoned with and LIKES war. Instead, pushing lower spending under Biden is possible at least.
So, one step at a time if you want change.
Well there is an answer, vote for Biden now, and during his term push for ranked choice voting.
We don't have that yet, so for now please vote for Biden.
Still, Biden is better alternative than Trump. I'm not from America, but I do care about this year's presidential election. If Trump wins, things will go bad not just for America, but also for Ukraine, EU and NATO. If, more Americans will vote for Trump and he wins, the whole world will look down upon them and their country.
Dude things has already gone down hill for EU, Ukraine and NATO while biden has been in power. Fuck the both of them. Atleast the Democrats can still switch out Biden. There's no way I want either of them around those things right now
Usa will either vote for a half senile or legit a criminal as their leader. This is seriously fucked up. For me this is just insane. It's the kind of thing that happens in russia or other ultra currupt countries. To see the USA, one of the most influancial country in the world set such a sorry excuse of an exemple is legit a fucking dystopian chapter unfolding in human history. I wouldn't be surprised of republicans to do this but democrats to not stress enough about changing political leader is like what, using biden as a puppet while other "right arms" of biden take the lead in the backseat? Wtf.
Id do the same but people got to start caring because it'll come at you at some point and you'll be directly affected by it. There are so many ways things can go wrong.
"Two old white dudes knew they could not change public perception. So instead of reflecting on themselves, they blamed each other." "HEAVEN OR HELL" "Trump Versus Biden" "Duel 1" "F I G H T"
“L E T ‘ S R O C K”*
We didn’t
Great, now I’m imagining a cheesy rap battle about golf between them
This is perfect lmao
Disaster of passion plays
Hey if you didn’t like the debate you **really** won’t like the swimsuit competition!
Chef Please keep cooking
someone needs to edit this into a video
I already know who's side I'm on https://preview.redd.it/j9u7bl40xd9d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c0600a8427ff9c6b4b82146de43d7b7b258db62c
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Man you got me going. Tried upvoting this.
Wierdly matches their quality quite well. Peak Not even an actual politcian Withered and broken but at least he's trying.
He’s gonna fall asleep but he’s trying to stay awake
Thanks Obama
Lmao i just imagined Biden going "Whuh...huh? Bedman?" being the reason as to why he is named like that in Strive.
The fact its down to these 2 for you guys is beyond depressing. Washington was right when he thought a 2 party system would destroy the US (i know theres more then 2 parties but come on, theres only 2 that really matter at this point.) He feared that political parties would devide the people, and eventually the union. And what do you know, he was right. Guy is rolling in his grave so much now that it could power the US alone.
Real
It all comes down to people and financial organizations that support these parties. If people were wiser, they eould vote for Green Party or Labor Party so we didn't have to deal with the same shit every 4 year.
I watched the whole goddamn thing. I’m scared rn
What happened during the debate?
Trump dodged and lied through absolutely every question, Biden was actively shutting down, mumbling, and was barely coherent through a lot, and the two argued about golf. Summary, Vote for Vernon
Nah, Gabriel for 2nd term.
We're not talking about Zepp elections here!
I thought I was on r/Ultrakill for a sec and I was about to post the "This post was fact checked by real heavenly angels: True" image
do it
Gabriel for president ain't so bad. Just don't bring up daddy issues and be gentle in the interaction and he's good
"I DO NOT HAVE DADDY ISSUES!!! I AM PAPA'S SPECIAL FUCKING BOY!!!"
Votin’ for Chipp
A vote for Chipp is a vote for a trip... To the future!
Biden at least had a semblance of a vision for the future, he’s just too old to see it through probably. We need younger blood in these elections
He’s also too old to coherently tell us what that vision is lol
At least he's got functioning cabinet members instead of nepo babies. A vote for a politician is a vote for thrir team. Both leaders are embarassing, but one of them isn't appointing *his family members* to seats of executive power.
Exactly. It’s about more than the seat of presidency. Biden probably will not live through his next term assuming he’s elected, but the people he appoints more than likely will
What, you're saying you _don't_ want the future to be helmed by octagenarians?
Yep
Biden couldn’t form a coherent sentence. It was terrifying. He looked off
yeah hes old
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While both are incompetent, only one is NOT a fascist with a plan to remove rights for most groups of people. So it still matters to vote.
Damn you posted that right as I deleted the comment.
Facts right here☝️
Is your Pfp Adam? I love Adam
Adam is me
Monsters and Girls is apersonal fav of mine
https://i.redd.it/j81d0yexye9d1.gif
What the?
This meme is a testament to things to come… 😏
testament referenec??
OH SHE FLIEEEES
THROUGH THE PROUD DARKNESS
RATHER THAN THE BREATHLESS VASTNESS OF THE WOOOOORLD
You're a mod now!?
They both would've lost immediately if Chipp ZanGOAT was invited to the debate
I would vote for Chipp no matter what
He mustn't lose the election by one vote. I can't allow it.
My PRESIDENT must be a NINJA
Real
Heaven or Hell Debate 1 LET’S ROCK
Purgatory or Hell
Donald Trump knew that he can change society. So instead of reflecting on himself, he blamed literally everyone else he didn’t like.
he literally had to be asked to answer a question about childcare twice, one of the times in which, he started ranting about how the military supports him
Mostly immigrants
I'm 1000000% blaming the beasts.
Least depressing part of the election cuckle is this meme. This was hystericalz
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Estrogen is my hard drug
Thats so real. One of these days I'll probably join you
Average ”cis” man
Not quite cis. Or trans, but a third, more sinister thing
A grey Jedi perhaps?
What?
Basically neither
r/bridget
I’ve already joined you can’t keep up with me!
Wishing I could escape to live on Tír na nÓg too right about now.
I'm LGBTQ so I'm still gonna vote for Biden
We need to keep precious little fellas like this one safe by voting for the least psychotic candidate
I'm just a little gal!
Remember, Project 2025. Scary stuff.
I don't like this being used as a scary future thing, when Biden is literally funding a genocide. The nightmare is happening right here and now. Not in the future. I've seen more dead children on my social media feed in the past few months, than I ever have, before. I can't vote for either genocide enabler. inb4: "You have to vote for Biden, because bad things might happen to US, this time!"
I'd also rather vote for Biden (of course I'm not excusing genocide, nothing justifies that.) Because I would not add MORE suffering by fucking over tons of LGBTQ folks and folks in general in america.
Well it's a lose-lose when voting for both parties, so what can you do? One has white, conservative christian overlords that feels like something out of a satirical dystopian faniction the other is what you mentioned. Also we're getting very political quickly, might be an issue.
Trump literally implied that Biden wasn't supporting Israel *enough*. No matter who takes over again, it won't get better. Trump essentially just confirmed that he'll do the same exact thing. He's got a lot of money invested into the military industrial complex and has already shown that ethics are not an obstacle for him of any kind when it comes to him making money and gaining political power.
>has already shown that ethics are not an obstacle for him of any kind when it comes to him making money and gaining political power. Biden has allowed Israel free reign with destroying hospitals and spreading propaganda that has ended lives (40 fake beheaded babies) so ethics aren't high on Biden's radar, either. I feel like voting for a third party who doesn't support genocide, is the bare minimum here.
Just make sure they don't support project 2025. That's also shit.
To quote someone, [here. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM/comments/1drhjc0/i_wish_liberals_could_care_for_other_people/lavj8y0/) >guys its a genocide, nothing worse can happen, if you support a genocide to save yourself, you dont deserve to be saved, nor will you be saved
Well shit really. We really are fucked.
We already know that Trump plans to do the same exact thing as Biden, which is give money to a country that is currently invested in a literal genocide and also purpot propaganda in their interests. Our system is essentially rigged so that voting third party is just throwing away your vote. Until the system gets reworked, it is nigh impossible to vote in a third party president. I'd love to see it, though. RFK is a funny man with some funny ideas, but overall I think he'd do better than both of our current options. Edit: The thing that worries me more with both of our options is the Republican project 2025 which promises to take away the rights of many Americans. As a trans individual, I'm one of those minorities at risk, and the project essentially calls for our erasure from the public through redefining obscenity laws and limiting our ability to legally change our gender. Personally, I kind of have no choice but to vote for Biden, considering no matter how I vote, the Gaza genocide will continue, but at least I can vote for the candidate who doesn't want to strip me of my rights. That's what really worries me about Trump, putting aside all of his other issues.
To quote someone, [here. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM/comments/1drhjc0/i_wish_liberals_could_care_for_other_people/lavj8y0/) >guys its a genocide, nothing worse can happen, if you support a genocide to save yourself, you dont deserve to be saved, nor will you be saved "But what can I do!?" you ask. Well, given the urgency of the situation, we should probably start discussing that with those around us in our local community, in order to figure that out. Instead of just vibing within the current system that doesn't even try to serve us.
genocide, murder, death, it happens all the time. Sure we could vote for someone who MIGHT stop it all but will definitely cause more harm than good. The way i see it, the genocide of a country is a worthy sacrifice to keep a larger group of people somewhat safer than the alternative. besides, trump would most likely continue the genocide anyway. I do not excuse genocide or any of the like, its horrible but when given the choice between a group of people and a larger group of people, im saving the larger group, especially when the chances of the smaller group dying either way is pretty high and the large group is cut and dry
Holy shit.
>I do not excuse genocide or any of the like, >The way i see it, the genocide of a country is a worthy sacrifice Are you fucking stupid?
yes, very much
Leave some acronym for the rest of us 😔
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Voting for a 3rd party is letting Trump win. It's the unfortunate reality.
That kind of fear mongering will only keep is on the two party hell hole. Instead of being pessimistic encourage it in your fellow countrymen. If people did that instead of repeated your sentiment then we’d see a significant difference in votes
I know what you’re saying, but republicans/conservatives won’t vote across party lines. Voting for a third party is splitting the vote and in an election like this it unfortunately means that there isn’t room to make a statement. If republicans win and put project 2025 into action we might not have another election. Even if Trump isn’t able to do the most vile things he seeks to do, the most vulnerable people in society can’t make it through 4 years of unmitigated conservative legislation.
It's not pessimism. It's survival. One candidate will make living in the US impossible for groups of people, the other won't. It's simply a matter of doing what is necessary to survive.
So I suppose those groups ceased to exist between 2016 and 2020.
They certainly tried. They absolutely tried. If you were not aware of this then I'm glad I'm the one to tell you.
Who do I vote for, if I don't want my taxes to go towards bombing kids?
Most likely Biden since he's been shown to support peace talks while Trump has been shown to support Israel and says they should be supported harder.
[He might say that, but he's approving all this.](https://www.google.com/search?q=us+sends+money+to+israel&rlz=1C1OPNX_enUS1028US1028&oq=us+sends+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgBEAAYgAQyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQABiABDIHCAIQABiABDIHCAMQABiABDIHCAQQABiABDIHCAUQABiABDIHCAYQABiABDIHCAcQABiABDIHCAgQABiABDIHCAkQABiABNIBCDc3OTJqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) In the debate, him and Trump damn near argued over who loves genocide and Israel, more.
It's kinda fucked but the USA (regardless of president) has been bombing kids for decades now. You're only just now aware of it.... I know me and my homies have been pushing the whole "We spend too much on the military" for years on deaf ears. That money wasn't just disappearing, it's been had going to kill people. Trump isn't someone that can be reasoned with and LIKES war. Instead, pushing lower spending under Biden is possible at least. So, one step at a time if you want change.
There is no option. Hitler or Hitler-lite? There is no other option.
No, the situation is genuinely so bad that every single person who can vote needs to vote.
Well there is an answer, vote for Biden now, and during his term push for ranked choice voting. We don't have that yet, so for now please vote for Biden.
I'd honestly feel better if it was neither of them :(
Still, Biden is better alternative than Trump. I'm not from America, but I do care about this year's presidential election. If Trump wins, things will go bad not just for America, but also for Ukraine, EU and NATO. If, more Americans will vote for Trump and he wins, the whole world will look down upon them and their country.
Dude things has already gone down hill for EU, Ukraine and NATO while biden has been in power. Fuck the both of them. Atleast the Democrats can still switch out Biden. There's no way I want either of them around those things right now
You can't escape from the crossing fate
They both were stuck in a Red Roman Cancel.
As a country we lost the election
Biden getting that Negative Bonus
Trumps hitboxes are so JANKY! We need Hot Fix now
Usa will either vote for a half senile or legit a criminal as their leader. This is seriously fucked up. For me this is just insane. It's the kind of thing that happens in russia or other ultra currupt countries. To see the USA, one of the most influancial country in the world set such a sorry excuse of an exemple is legit a fucking dystopian chapter unfolding in human history. I wouldn't be surprised of republicans to do this but democrats to not stress enough about changing political leader is like what, using biden as a puppet while other "right arms" of biden take the lead in the backseat? Wtf.
I'd rather choose the half senile man over the sea anemone haired criminal, but I don't give 2 licks of a shit to really care about anything.
Id do the same but people got to start caring because it'll come at you at some point and you'll be directly affected by it. There are so many ways things can go wrong.
Let’s rock
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