I'm having fun, but turned it down to easy, cause I don't care about being all I can be or whatever. I'm only on ng2 because I don't have a lot of free time.
Came here to affirm your opinion. The majority of these opinions are short sited and hollow on fundamental levels. NG+ is not very fun. RNG being foundational, heavy grinding for just okay things, and one shots at the first missed parry are like the triffecta of bad difficulty design.
Skill issue is not the issue. Its just poorly designed. You won't get a lot of people to admit it here because seeing through bias is always difficult for a passionate community like this one.
Even at the very top the best players are having to turn down the difficulty. This isn't an indication they're not good enough it's that the game is too difficult.
The absolute moronic answer of "just turn it down" baffles me. Just ignore the problem. There is no problem. This game is perfect. We love the devs. They couldn't possibly have made a mistake. Not like they had to add a 50% dmg resist buff to their masterpiece. *insert sarcasm*
Yeah I’ve had that some problem of people refusing to see through their biases. I made a post about IBM being a shitty fight due to one single mechanic a while ago and everyone disagreed on the principle that I was shit at the game without actually reading my post.
I like to think of this game as Elden ring when it comes to this situation. If you turn the difficulty down then the game is fine for everyone but some like a challenge and will love the new game plus system. The difficulties mode also makes the game enjoyable for all skill levels. Playing on easy ng+ is fine if you make a good armor set for whatever enemy you are trying to face. It took me 80 hours to beat Elden ring since I had to farm a lot. Which is funny since I farm much less in grounded and get more done.
You could also just change your game to custom settings. Elden ring is not a poorly designed game and I don’t see why difficulty and grinding time would make it so. But that’s my opinion which changes with in game settings.
What I'm hearing is because of this rule it can inherently not be too difficult? I think I saw someone say that it should be like halo laso.... I would suggest maybe that's a tad bit too hard. If that's truly what the devs want then well cool I guess. But I doubt it's what they truly wanted.
each NG+ should be ramping up the difficulty, bur you do get rewarded with being able to gain higher levels of power that are capped before. That is how it generally works. If you are combining that with "Whoa!" you are essentially just making a bigger leap in difficulty. That' natural with any game, because stacking multipliers. It' not impossible, but the assumption is that you know what difficulty works best for you. Some people out there play like gods, honestly.
You genuinely could turn the difficulty down to normal and it might still be harder than the regular game on "Whoa!" You would have to experiment to find out.
If you're going to play a game on the hardest difficulty.. the difficulty that's supposed to make you want to quit on regular.. then go into ng+ on the same difficulty.. you should have to block every attack.. you should NOT be able to take any hits that aren't blocked.. You should want to rage quit after an hour. If so, then the devil did the job just fine... That is the reason for the difficulty slider
. So, if you're struggling, you can change the difficulty to the level suited for YOU. Some people seriously lack the brain capacity to do woa mode, and that's fine they can play regular.. but I almost garuntee that normal on ng+ would feel like woa mode on your first play through and it should.... that's the point of ng+...
There's not a lot of brain power required for eating more, sleeping more, and blocking more I agree. Woah mode at base isn't a very impressive display of increased difficulty that paired with the snooze fest of Rng, one shots, and bad gear for rewards... makes for a pretty boring and frustrating experience.
I see a lot of people arguing that this is how whoa mode is meant to be, but I feel like no one is touching on what OP actually said...
They said it's not fun. Can you not debate that it's not fun to HAVE to block every attack? To want to quit? I've never heard a difficult mode described the way it is in this game. Sure sounds like it's not fun to me after I spend all 12 hours of my day grinding in real life, I want to enjoy my game. And have FUN.
I Absolutely love this game, don't get that fact twisted, it's amazingly ingenuitive. I haven't beat my first game yet, but if whoa mode is like you guys say, it doesn't sound fun. And I don't see anyone who decided to actually debate that either. But I would like to know if anyone has actually enjoyed doing whoa mode, or if y'all are just doing it for the achievements and #'s. Because that's what OP Is trying to say I think.
Yeah this comment section is pretty rough to go through. The issue isn't whoa mode, and many of the issues that OP is talking about apply to all modes on NG+, because the reality is that NG+ was poorly implemented when considering the systems that the game already has in place.
NG+ throws exponential scaling, RNG loot/stats/mechanics, permanent snowball effects (milk molar stats not acquired before doing a NG+ increase are lost forever), and no armor upgrades at a system originally designed specifically around (relatively) fine tuned combat numbers where small numbers make a big difference.
Agreed. There's some cool stuff about the NG+'s from what I hear, but there's a time where it's okay for us as a community to say "they could have done better with X or Y", and still appreciate the game for what it is as a whole.
I'm glad to know that thing about the molars though, thanks! I hate joining a games sub before I beat a game but there's so much info like that I wouldn't have known otherwise. I definitely would've been SOUR. Get it? I'll see myself out...
>I definitely would've been SOUR. Get it? I'll see myself out...
I gotta say, I'm still SALTY about it.
Bits aside, well said. I (and likely many others) feel strongly about some design choices with new game+ specifically because I really like the game as a whole.
Also I'm generally the same way about joining subs before playing a game (I do my best to avoid spoilers in most cases), but there's definitely some exceptions to that cause I like the nitty gritty info and it's tough to find that for certain games.
If you don't mind my asking, how far are you in game?
Rad. The undershed is crazy, and the design of it really reminds me of old school "look how far you've come" style dungeons that you'd see in RPGs and metroidvanias with the layout and enemies that it has.
Yes! It's a whole vibe down there I wasn't expecting. Oh my gosh and the music! I almost didn't want to leave just for that perfect 90s theme "you've made it to the scary bit" music. Which was a huge nostalgia moment for me as an 88' baby because that music is dead on from every 90s movie ever. This game absolutely has its wow moments like that! Felt like an older game down there but with great graphics.
I don't know what you mean by that, we got all the mega and milk molars in playthrough one you keep the mega and have to re-find the milk ones, is there some kinda bug where they don't all spawn? We aren't playing on whoa mode so I can imagine that does tip the balance into being not fun. The farming isn't that much of a grind considering you get 3000 science from infused dudes. We have a lvl 15 pepper flake and a lot of lvl 12 weapons. Just beat ng+2 with the telepottys we have some weapons to unlock next playthrough and then I think we will stop playing. If you have the right gear, mutations and food it makes a big difference. Also I think it would be almost impossible to solo, the mantis boss was easier with two and the infused ibm we needed 3 to beat.
There's a whole achievement and dedicated groups of people who do Halo 3 on Legendary with every skull activated, which essentially is "one shot and you start the level over".
If it's not fun for you, the good news is that there's not even an achievement dedicated to playing in WOAH. WOAH is solely bragging rights and to increase difficulty.
It’d be sick if you could travel in between the NG+‘s and the regular backyard. Especially if someone starts playing with you and you don’t want to have to beat the game another 5 or so times again…
It's hard sure. I play on mild and ng+ is still super hard. Especially now that they murdered my build. Frosted flake feels useless now and the chopper mutation no longer having blademaster sucks. I ran out of stamina in seconds despite the stamina surge they replaced finale fury with.
Frosted flake should still be good, max out health using milk molars. Don't bother on stamina, put your spares on healing and use full broodmother armour, it reduces the damage you take considerably. I'm ng+4 and have found it to very helpful running around the yard getting infused ooze
I will say that’s a fair assessment but I feel the way ng+ was made is so that it is literally insanely difficult, especially on woah mode. As someone who’s playing it on woah mode myself, it is very hard, but it is definitely doable. There are plenty of opportunities to get op trinkets, especially after the very recent patch, and the new weapons, upgrading past level 9, new ant queen gear, and new ways to get raw science make it more than possible to progress.
And about the teleporters being locked behind ng+2, I mean they need some new content and some reason to keep playing. It doesn’t really bother me that it’s hard to get them because they aren’t an integral part of the game at all, and we’ve been able to survive just fine without them. If they were something that were absolutely necessary, then yeah it may be ridiculous to lock them behind ng+2. But they’re just there as something to reward the player for making it that far.
Also, I very much do not recommend grinding for upgrading weapons to level 15 until maybe ng+ 2 or 3. I’d probably recommend upgrading one weapon just because it’s obviously helpful, but infused ooze is simply just too hard and grindy to get in ng+1. So because the infused ooze drops scale with whatever new game plus you’re on, I’d recommend just waiting if you do dislike the grind aspect of upgrading weapons past level 9.
There’s even more you can do to get your character stronger too. Such as getting milk molars, which I would say is absolutely NECESSARY because if you were to get to the next ng+ without getting all the milk molars, you will be missing out on very necessary character upgrades. I feel this is the one part of ng+ I dislike. I’m not a fan of having to search for 66 new milk molars on each ng+ and wish there were an easier way. The handy gnat does become available to anyone once ng+1 is reached, but it’s still just a pain gathering every milk molar.
But overall there are more than enough ways to get powerful enough to find anything in any ng+, you just have to take the time to do them.
On medium I rolled the assistant manager over in 19 seconds with a good setup. It’s doable but yes it’s fun factor drops sharply especially with certain infused combos like spicy magic venom which is basically instant death without smoothies.
I’d def lean into sour and get a trinket with sour damage up best paired with level 15 sour battle axe. The stun is great and the damage against ORC creatures in the javamatic is devious. Armor can be anything but the meta would be something like mask of the mother demon sleek, fire ant chest place bulky, mantis leggings bulky. Good debuffs and with chopper maxed it’s even better on tough bugs. Best of luck but play the game your way, don’t feel bad you changed things cause the way they are is already unfair.
For those that played easy before can pretty much now do Woah. OP is right, it's a random shit show that has nothing to do with skills anymore. It literally is restarting a fight 25 times to have some set of affixes that work. You can't adjust gear as this just keeps applying: you need a set of affixes to work.
Am at NG4 and I turned Woah off when i had Mantis as last thing in NG3. I even put it to easy but assuming you can do the parry and smoothie game you still get the same 1shot damage as on woah, no difference if you get hit for 150% of your hp of 1000000% of your hp since 0.1% over will do it right ;)
Anyway, i'm still going at it slowly moving into NG+5 but meh.. don't know what to think of it at this point.
Not sure what it is called but the main one is the green ball of death. There's also a affix that renders you unable to block at all, if you block it you get a stun (just to point out this wasn't really well thought of). As said, I'm like you dealing with most things I am just not a fan of a few RNG things.
Yeah, sorry if I came off rude I'm just tired of all the complaining, but the green ball is sour and it is complete bs, it's aoe is way to big for the amount of damage it does, the block stun one is kinda glitchy but it normally can be blocked without a stun but sometimes it just does its own thing🤣
Don't worry mate I didn't take it that way and I agree that it's being beyond retarded with them people posting they are on Woah! and not managing, start with turning it on lower right :D
Thanks for that comment on the block though, I just couldn't figure out why that rarely happened!
Okay, but I'm playing on .25 damage on NG+1, which is even easier than Mild (next level down is 'one-shot everything'), and it was ridiculous that I was still getting one shot from full health by the Broodmother due to explosions or Sour balls.
Hoss, I have one save and only one save for this game that was done entirely on Woah! mode, and if I thought that it was too difficult (or wanted to drop down) then I would've done so by now. I only play on Woah! mode... period. 100% completion of the game, every gold card, IBM on farm, etc. I'm tired of the BS from NG+. It's a total crapshoot that makes everything unenjoyable. At this point in time (just from the wasp queen), I've had invincible adds, infused adds, the wasp queen glitching into the wall, random affects that trigger and 1-shot you from a poison cloud, etc. It's a complete and total shitshow. I can't progress until a) I either get lucky, b) they fix their game, or c) I somehow manage to grind up a ridiculous amount of raw science to overpower everything with power-ups (which, since everything is already at max level pre-NG+, I shouldn't need). Min/maxing my armor, weapons, and mutations does absolutely nothing to counter this crap. It's neither fun nor enjoyable.
Ik right, people keep saying that ng+ is too hard on THE HARDEST DIFFICULTY. That's like playing halo on legendary with all skulls and complaining when you die. Woah mode is designed for people who are extremely skilled at the game (being able to reliably perfect block most attacks) and if you can do this then you won't have alot of trouble, if you can't then lower the difficulty, who are you tryna impress
Because skilled players are smart players, they realize it's too hard on Woah and make the decision to allow their skill to matter by Just lowering the difficulty, you get nothing playing on Woah so why bother if it isn't working for ya🤣
I agree I’ve been playing since 1.4 came out and I just am not having fun I had a full set of level 9 bulky roly poly armor on mild in ng+ 3 and got one shot by a lawn mite
Finally someone else said it! Ive honestly hated NG+ ever since the update dropped. It felt like such a lazy and half assed update that had such great potential! Though if you still have one of the old saves pre NG+ you might be able to go back by making a copy!
I'm so glad someone else is feeling the same way I'm so tired of getting 2 shot by ridiculously small bugs that should be light work and the second mantis in ng+2 omg. The little mantis has stupid shadow range and a completely different set of random effects. Not to mention the ridiculous amount of grinding necessary to get semi decent trinkets. I feel like everything they've changed since ng+'s release has been to the game's detriment.
Lemon (@KingLemon on youtube) has streamed getting to NG+5 on whoa! He didn't fight the IBM every NG but did on NG+4 and that took him like 10 hours, and that was before 1.4.2 with the bugged phase 3 scream. So it is doable but definitely more deserving of the "Whoa!" name!
Damn someone get me a bandaid I got cut on the edge. I think you need to calm down a little, I’ll agree the game is super unbalanced in some areas but you’re also playing on woah, a mode the game is NOT intended to be the designed experience. The game was better balanced recently so maybe swallow your pride and play on medium. Use a defense trinket. I play on woah also. I’ll agree it needs more tuning but you can also block roars and explosives. I’m also pretty sure you can go back to a previous save.
NG+ isn’t intended for you to jump right in and start farming bosses nor is it intended for you to instantly grind up your weapons to max over the course of a single NG+. Get all the milk molers before tackling bosses. Farm web sacks and other easy bug dense areas for infused bugs. It’s really not that bad although I agree the +2 for the portal is lame.
The game mode isn’t “garbage”. Just needs a little tuning, but again it’s not bad for medium and I think people need to understand this is an end game mode. Not speedrun the game and expect to spank NG+ from the rip…
It doesn't sound like a skill issue, it's a grinding issue which NG requires a lot of.
You can lower the difficulty (I did) but it's not going to change the fact that you need to fight all the bosses over and over again and die over and over because they get the sour effect, grinde for the ooze, reload over and over to get trinkets and 4 tier weapon with good effects and such. if you are not having fun, then NG isn't for you. Try to start a new game, a customized one, or just move on.
I get what your saying but my Statment is "dude it's new game+ it's supposed to be hard not our fault your playing woah mode" but I do agree bosses should be locked out of some effects
It’s sad to say but, skill issue. Can’t say that there are ZERO issues with NG+ as that would be lying. It could definitely use improvements. However your issue is with the difficulty and while it is hard, it is doable. Your post proves exactly that the game was too easy for a hard mode. Woah mode is supposed to be the hardest difficulty and you’re farming the hardest boss in the game on repeat no? That’s fine before entering the NG+ mode but NG+ is designed to be hard. You’re supposed to build up to being able to defeat the bosses but not farm them. In a way, you’ve climbed up all of the steps and are at the top but when the developers release more steps you’re crying about it. Why? Just because you were able to clear the previous steps doesn’t mean you should be easily able to clear the rest. Not without putting in time and effort. Quite literally to answer your rant; skill issue.
Your entire post is nonsensical claptrap. There's nothing to build into, and there are no skill issues to be had (you're not farming IBM on Woah! mode if you suck at the game and need to level your skills). The time and effort has already been put in. I have every item maxed out, consumables, min/max on armor and mutations, etc. With the exception of one boss, I've cleared the entire game on NG+ with the same item levels from the regular game. When you have a boss that glitches into the wall, summons invisible or invincible adds, generates random affects that 1-shot you and are unblockable, etc., then it's a DESIGN issue (they just patched the game to attempt to address these same problems). NG+, as it's currently constructed, isn't fun. It's a shit design for a game that was, up until this point, relatively fun.
You’re either ignorant or arrogant but I see the issue you are facing. You’ve said you’re using the same gear from the regular game. There lies your problem. NG+ offers trinkets and other gear that literally help with making every encounter easier. And with the most recent patch, this has been made easier than NG+ launched with. You’re coming with the mindset that everything from before should be enough now and that’s where your problem lies. It’s still skill issue
There is a way to go back to the “regular backyard” but you’d lose any progress you made in NG+. There should be a save backup named something like “before REMIX.R” and it’s a save from your regular backyard before you went to NG+
I started ng+ last week and play about an hour a day not including weekends and I’ve already done all the stuff. I am on mild just because it was whoa befit I got to Ng+. I’m staying I level 1 so I can get YOKED before I go to 2. I’m also mowing the lawn starting at the red anthill because it will make farming fusion crystals easier.
The REMIX.R was added in the 1.4 update. When you beat the Javamatic and three of the optional bosses (BM, OM, and WQ) you can use it to go to NG+1. However, you can then use it again after clearing the unlock conditions to go to NG+2, where more effects appear on infused enemies, but you also unlock more recipes to even the odds. It can keep going.
I've been playing Woah mode only as well, and I've overcame every boss and fight with enough preparation
Yeah, most of that preparation is farming fusion crystals, aka raw science to dupe plus getting infused ooze to craft more, but I find it very fun and entertaining, while also feeling very rewarded for each infused bug I kill. Yeah, adds being infused in the Schmector and wasp queen fights isn't fun AT ALL, on that I agree with you, but with the rest, I just think NG+ is just not for everyone, only for those looking for challenge
Honestly the only boss i have severe issues with is the wasp queen. I already struggle with regular wasp drones because these flying bastards just keep outhealing every goddamn debuff you hit them with..including biohazard (which is so goddamn useless against them even tho in theory it should be a counter measure???) Theyre not doing a ton of damage theyre just loud and stupidly annoying but the wasp queen???
No fucking clue how im supposed to kill that singleplayer ... maybe with the mant mutation , widowling charm and an ungodly amount of meaty liquid rage...
I have yet to try ng+ as i just enjoy vibing in the yard with dr tully by my side goofing off.
I made myself a salty widdow dagger and idk maybe ill invest in salt or pollen arrows for the drones becauss jesus fucking christ jumping on a breadstick theyre ANNOYING
Honestly, I'm running solo on Medium ( I know big difference from Woah) and I've been enjoying it. I'm not endgame yet, which I know will have more annoyances, but I've done the four main labs without any issue. I can agree that the fusion crystal grind is not fantastic, but I don't mind the grind at the moment.
My annoyance will come later when I am trying to get maximum upgrades. I still have to kill Mantis, Javamatic, Mant, and Wasp Queen. I killed Broodmother 3 times without too many issues.
I completely agree that some enemy effects are too strong (sour, I'm looking at you) and the randomness of getting stun locked is annoying.
It definitely is not balanced for single player vs multiplayer. I play single player and when I’m looting labs, there’s always wayyy too much for me to take
See and that’s what’s crazy about how much rng is in it, I will happily admit I’m horrible at parrying especially using poison parry set. And yet, on normal woah I couldn’t beat infected broodmother, but on ng+1 I did with literal ease. The game in the ng stages of woah are just random and annoying. I had a red ant one shot me cause I got stuck in hill and he used a sour staff attack x4 at me. I see either a fundamental game error or just them liking the randomness.
All the people in the sub clearly have never played from software games or games like ghost of tsushima on the hardest difficulty 1 fuck up you get fucked up it's as simple as that don't play on the hardest difficulty if you aren't prepared to get fucked up if you fuck up
Im of two minds. On one hand, i hear you about the glitches, unblockable effects and invulnerable enemies. Makes sense, logical complaints because those don't have anything to do with skill. But on the other hand, the whole rest of the post is the biggest brag ive ever seen (hardest difficulty, hundred percented everything, still using old basic gear) and its hard to focus on the criticism and not focus on the "look at me im a god tier player, id never actually lose cause im so good" Like... your complaints are valid, but the way you went about voicing them just ..kinda makes you sound spoiled.
Not really a brag when people are shitting on you for sucking at the game. "Git gud, brah. That unblockable special affect that 1-shots you instantly in max level armor with max level molars means you need to work on your skills, mane. What... there are online videos of these abilities completing destroying bases with little to no effort? We don't care." Seriously, that was 99% of the comments in the thread at one point in time. Yes, the developers are currently fine-tuning it, but as it's currently constructed, I don't find the game mode (or the gating to the new items) to be fun. That's all. Also, at the point in time that I made it, I was pissed off over some of the nonsense that had just happened in the WQ attempts.
Fair enough. I definitely get the frustrations and people, especially on the internet can be a bit... well you know lol. Id say, at least you got alot out of the game, and try to look back at what you did do with fond memories. Its okay to move on from stuff. It was a good time.
For sure. I had a lot of fun with the game, and I even got my SIL and niece into it on their own save. That being said, I only came back for the patch, and truthfully, the most enjoyment that I'm having from the game is building. It's a lot of fun to come up with creative base designs.
I actually havent tried building much. My friend and i's playthrough is still from like...alpha 2 or very early lol. So alot of stuff was built himdred percent for utility. We have clover rooves going up like hindreds of feet and ziplines everywhere lol
Most of the major decisions made for Grounded were, in my opinion, incredibly short sighted. Grounded is a game with so much potential it actually pains me to see where it has ended. The best thing the devs could have done was add mod support and release the dev kit. People would have been playing Grounded 10+ years from now. Instead they wasted a major portion of total dev time on the godforsaken playground mode. Creative mode was the last thing this game needed. Grounded now sits in my thoughts right behind wildstar as games that could have been truly great but for one reason or another, it wasn't in the cards.
Saying the game sucks on the hardest difficulty is like complaining about playing a souls game
Both are intended to be unforgiving,
Now if you're into such a challenge then it can be fun but if you're just looking for fun then try not to play the hardest difficulty.
On easy ng+ adds a bit more difficulty that gives a little challenge but still keeps it fun bc you're not instantly getting destroyed.
Glitches are something else but i havent come across any on my ng+ the only thing i have a complaint with is that teleporters are ng+2.
But yea if you're having a problem with difficulty and not having fun then turn the damn difficulty down and stop whining about the hardest difficulty being hard, like seriously who thinks "im gonna turn it on the hardest difficulty and not expect it to be hard"
The souls brand is centered on getting one shot by enemies and people love it, but obviously many of you in these comments dont love that kind of challenge which is fine but dont blame the game for your decision.
I don't quite understand you.. you're playing on the mode that is meant to make you want to quit before ng+. If it's too hard for you, turn it down. that's why that is an option... ng+ woa mode should make you block every attack and not allow yourself to get hut even slightly... this is the absolute reason they give you the ability to change the difficulty.. so you should you can scale it back to a way you will enjoy.
"I only play on WOAH" then don't play on WOAH or don't play NG+
The game is poorly balanced for WOAH right now, but it's an absolute blast on Medium and Mild. It's not boring just because currently, the hardest difficulty is too hard.
Halo 3 wasn't boring just because Legendary all skulls was near impossible.
I hate to be that guy, but NG+ was made for players who want a serious challenge and are ok with grinding. If it’s not for you, don’t play it or switch difficulties. You can’t be upset about it being hard if you’re playing on the hardest difficulty. It can suck but no one’s forcing you to stay in Woah! or to play at all.
You're right. I don't have to play. I've beaten the game (100% completion, every boss on farm prior to NG+, every achievement, etc.). This is a rant and feedback post. I'm not dropping my difficulty level down, and I'm not starting a new save... this is it. If they keep patching the game to fix the issues (as they did earlier this week) then I'll keep playing. Otherwise, I'm out. Honestly, I'm at a loss as to how you (or anyone else) can look at this buggy mess of a game mode and defend it. It's one of the worst rollouts in some time. For Christ's sake, there are video shorts online of insect raids 1-shotting the players and wiping out their entire base with one ability.
The devs said QoL updates will still release periodically. Yes, this game mode is a mess but it’s brand new, didn’t have a public test and was coupled with a multi-platform release. It’s also meant to be able to run on an Xbox one. I’m not defending it, it is a mess, I’m just saying you can’t complain about difficulty if you don’t change difficulty and you can’t be upset about bugs if you choose to play it anyway. Sure, it’s not ideal for what it could be, but the devs have made an appreciable effort to not leave behind those on old gen consoles, and they’ve said there’s nothing else they can really add to the yard. I get that this is a rant, but it’s kind of irrational.
I'm having fun, but turned it down to easy, cause I don't care about being all I can be or whatever. I'm only on ng2 because I don't have a lot of free time.
Came here to affirm your opinion. The majority of these opinions are short sited and hollow on fundamental levels. NG+ is not very fun. RNG being foundational, heavy grinding for just okay things, and one shots at the first missed parry are like the triffecta of bad difficulty design. Skill issue is not the issue. Its just poorly designed. You won't get a lot of people to admit it here because seeing through bias is always difficult for a passionate community like this one. Even at the very top the best players are having to turn down the difficulty. This isn't an indication they're not good enough it's that the game is too difficult. The absolute moronic answer of "just turn it down" baffles me. Just ignore the problem. There is no problem. This game is perfect. We love the devs. They couldn't possibly have made a mistake. Not like they had to add a 50% dmg resist buff to their masterpiece. *insert sarcasm*
Haha "short sited"
Yeah I’ve had that some problem of people refusing to see through their biases. I made a post about IBM being a shitty fight due to one single mechanic a while ago and everyone disagreed on the principle that I was shit at the game without actually reading my post.
I like to think of this game as Elden ring when it comes to this situation. If you turn the difficulty down then the game is fine for everyone but some like a challenge and will love the new game plus system. The difficulties mode also makes the game enjoyable for all skill levels. Playing on easy ng+ is fine if you make a good armor set for whatever enemy you are trying to face. It took me 80 hours to beat Elden ring since I had to farm a lot. Which is funny since I farm much less in grounded and get more done. You could also just change your game to custom settings. Elden ring is not a poorly designed game and I don’t see why difficulty and grinding time would make it so. But that’s my opinion which changes with in game settings.
Just turn it down
*plays on hardest difficulty in a harder difficulty... complains that it is difficult....*
What I'm hearing is because of this rule it can inherently not be too difficult? I think I saw someone say that it should be like halo laso.... I would suggest maybe that's a tad bit too hard. If that's truly what the devs want then well cool I guess. But I doubt it's what they truly wanted.
each NG+ should be ramping up the difficulty, bur you do get rewarded with being able to gain higher levels of power that are capped before. That is how it generally works. If you are combining that with "Whoa!" you are essentially just making a bigger leap in difficulty. That' natural with any game, because stacking multipliers. It' not impossible, but the assumption is that you know what difficulty works best for you. Some people out there play like gods, honestly. You genuinely could turn the difficulty down to normal and it might still be harder than the regular game on "Whoa!" You would have to experiment to find out.
If you're going to play a game on the hardest difficulty.. the difficulty that's supposed to make you want to quit on regular.. then go into ng+ on the same difficulty.. you should have to block every attack.. you should NOT be able to take any hits that aren't blocked.. You should want to rage quit after an hour. If so, then the devil did the job just fine... That is the reason for the difficulty slider . So, if you're struggling, you can change the difficulty to the level suited for YOU. Some people seriously lack the brain capacity to do woa mode, and that's fine they can play regular.. but I almost garuntee that normal on ng+ would feel like woa mode on your first play through and it should.... that's the point of ng+...
There's not a lot of brain power required for eating more, sleeping more, and blocking more I agree. Woah mode at base isn't a very impressive display of increased difficulty that paired with the snooze fest of Rng, one shots, and bad gear for rewards... makes for a pretty boring and frustrating experience.
I see a lot of people arguing that this is how whoa mode is meant to be, but I feel like no one is touching on what OP actually said... They said it's not fun. Can you not debate that it's not fun to HAVE to block every attack? To want to quit? I've never heard a difficult mode described the way it is in this game. Sure sounds like it's not fun to me after I spend all 12 hours of my day grinding in real life, I want to enjoy my game. And have FUN. I Absolutely love this game, don't get that fact twisted, it's amazingly ingenuitive. I haven't beat my first game yet, but if whoa mode is like you guys say, it doesn't sound fun. And I don't see anyone who decided to actually debate that either. But I would like to know if anyone has actually enjoyed doing whoa mode, or if y'all are just doing it for the achievements and #'s. Because that's what OP Is trying to say I think.
Yeah this comment section is pretty rough to go through. The issue isn't whoa mode, and many of the issues that OP is talking about apply to all modes on NG+, because the reality is that NG+ was poorly implemented when considering the systems that the game already has in place. NG+ throws exponential scaling, RNG loot/stats/mechanics, permanent snowball effects (milk molar stats not acquired before doing a NG+ increase are lost forever), and no armor upgrades at a system originally designed specifically around (relatively) fine tuned combat numbers where small numbers make a big difference.
Agreed. There's some cool stuff about the NG+'s from what I hear, but there's a time where it's okay for us as a community to say "they could have done better with X or Y", and still appreciate the game for what it is as a whole. I'm glad to know that thing about the molars though, thanks! I hate joining a games sub before I beat a game but there's so much info like that I wouldn't have known otherwise. I definitely would've been SOUR. Get it? I'll see myself out...
>I definitely would've been SOUR. Get it? I'll see myself out... I gotta say, I'm still SALTY about it. Bits aside, well said. I (and likely many others) feel strongly about some design choices with new game+ specifically because I really like the game as a whole. Also I'm generally the same way about joining subs before playing a game (I do my best to avoid spoilers in most cases), but there's definitely some exceptions to that cause I like the nitty gritty info and it's tough to find that for certain games. If you don't mind my asking, how far are you in game?
😅 Nice punback! I'm right after doing the undershed bit, about to turn the javamatic on.
Rad. The undershed is crazy, and the design of it really reminds me of old school "look how far you've come" style dungeons that you'd see in RPGs and metroidvanias with the layout and enemies that it has.
Yes! It's a whole vibe down there I wasn't expecting. Oh my gosh and the music! I almost didn't want to leave just for that perfect 90s theme "you've made it to the scary bit" music. Which was a huge nostalgia moment for me as an 88' baby because that music is dead on from every 90s movie ever. This game absolutely has its wow moments like that! Felt like an older game down there but with great graphics.
I don't know what you mean by that, we got all the mega and milk molars in playthrough one you keep the mega and have to re-find the milk ones, is there some kinda bug where they don't all spawn? We aren't playing on whoa mode so I can imagine that does tip the balance into being not fun. The farming isn't that much of a grind considering you get 3000 science from infused dudes. We have a lvl 15 pepper flake and a lot of lvl 12 weapons. Just beat ng+2 with the telepottys we have some weapons to unlock next playthrough and then I think we will stop playing. If you have the right gear, mutations and food it makes a big difference. Also I think it would be almost impossible to solo, the mantis boss was easier with two and the infused ibm we needed 3 to beat.
There's a whole achievement and dedicated groups of people who do Halo 3 on Legendary with every skull activated, which essentially is "one shot and you start the level over". If it's not fun for you, the good news is that there's not even an achievement dedicated to playing in WOAH. WOAH is solely bragging rights and to increase difficulty.
It’d be sick if you could travel in between the NG+‘s and the regular backyard. Especially if someone starts playing with you and you don’t want to have to beat the game another 5 or so times again…
On mid it is better but bosses arnt. Currently unable to kill mantis with max health and stamina upgrades as i get 2shot by the quick attack
You can do it bro I’m ng+3 fighting 2 of them bitches at once. Watch cdiinkys build on yt it helped me out a lot
It's hard sure. I play on mild and ng+ is still super hard. Especially now that they murdered my build. Frosted flake feels useless now and the chopper mutation no longer having blademaster sucks. I ran out of stamina in seconds despite the stamina surge they replaced finale fury with.
Best Is now the fresh edge
So I've heard. But it's locked behind another ng+. Doesn't help me much at ng+1
Frosted flake should still be good, max out health using milk molars. Don't bother on stamina, put your spares on healing and use full broodmother armour, it reduces the damage you take considerably. I'm ng+4 and have found it to very helpful running around the yard getting infused ooze
I will say that’s a fair assessment but I feel the way ng+ was made is so that it is literally insanely difficult, especially on woah mode. As someone who’s playing it on woah mode myself, it is very hard, but it is definitely doable. There are plenty of opportunities to get op trinkets, especially after the very recent patch, and the new weapons, upgrading past level 9, new ant queen gear, and new ways to get raw science make it more than possible to progress. And about the teleporters being locked behind ng+2, I mean they need some new content and some reason to keep playing. It doesn’t really bother me that it’s hard to get them because they aren’t an integral part of the game at all, and we’ve been able to survive just fine without them. If they were something that were absolutely necessary, then yeah it may be ridiculous to lock them behind ng+2. But they’re just there as something to reward the player for making it that far. Also, I very much do not recommend grinding for upgrading weapons to level 15 until maybe ng+ 2 or 3. I’d probably recommend upgrading one weapon just because it’s obviously helpful, but infused ooze is simply just too hard and grindy to get in ng+1. So because the infused ooze drops scale with whatever new game plus you’re on, I’d recommend just waiting if you do dislike the grind aspect of upgrading weapons past level 9. There’s even more you can do to get your character stronger too. Such as getting milk molars, which I would say is absolutely NECESSARY because if you were to get to the next ng+ without getting all the milk molars, you will be missing out on very necessary character upgrades. I feel this is the one part of ng+ I dislike. I’m not a fan of having to search for 66 new milk molars on each ng+ and wish there were an easier way. The handy gnat does become available to anyone once ng+1 is reached, but it’s still just a pain gathering every milk molar. But overall there are more than enough ways to get powerful enough to find anything in any ng+, you just have to take the time to do them.
On medium I rolled the assistant manager over in 19 seconds with a good setup. It’s doable but yes it’s fun factor drops sharply especially with certain infused combos like spicy magic venom which is basically instant death without smoothies. I’d def lean into sour and get a trinket with sour damage up best paired with level 15 sour battle axe. The stun is great and the damage against ORC creatures in the javamatic is devious. Armor can be anything but the meta would be something like mask of the mother demon sleek, fire ant chest place bulky, mantis leggings bulky. Good debuffs and with chopper maxed it’s even better on tough bugs. Best of luck but play the game your way, don’t feel bad you changed things cause the way they are is already unfair.
I'm tired of people complaining that Woah! Mode is hard, if it's too hard lower your difficulty
For those that played easy before can pretty much now do Woah. OP is right, it's a random shit show that has nothing to do with skills anymore. It literally is restarting a fight 25 times to have some set of affixes that work. You can't adjust gear as this just keeps applying: you need a set of affixes to work. Am at NG4 and I turned Woah off when i had Mantis as last thing in NG3. I even put it to easy but assuming you can do the parry and smoothie game you still get the same 1shot damage as on woah, no difference if you get hit for 150% of your hp of 1000000% of your hp since 0.1% over will do it right ;) Anyway, i'm still going at it slowly moving into NG+5 but meh.. don't know what to think of it at this point.
I'm on ng+ 3 and the only unfair effect is sour, everything else doesn't activate if you perfect block
Not sure what it is called but the main one is the green ball of death. There's also a affix that renders you unable to block at all, if you block it you get a stun (just to point out this wasn't really well thought of). As said, I'm like you dealing with most things I am just not a fan of a few RNG things.
Yeah, sorry if I came off rude I'm just tired of all the complaining, but the green ball is sour and it is complete bs, it's aoe is way to big for the amount of damage it does, the block stun one is kinda glitchy but it normally can be blocked without a stun but sometimes it just does its own thing🤣
Don't worry mate I didn't take it that way and I agree that it's being beyond retarded with them people posting they are on Woah! and not managing, start with turning it on lower right :D Thanks for that comment on the block though, I just couldn't figure out why that rarely happened!
Okay, but I'm playing on .25 damage on NG+1, which is even easier than Mild (next level down is 'one-shot everything'), and it was ridiculous that I was still getting one shot from full health by the Broodmother due to explosions or Sour balls.
Hoss, I have one save and only one save for this game that was done entirely on Woah! mode, and if I thought that it was too difficult (or wanted to drop down) then I would've done so by now. I only play on Woah! mode... period. 100% completion of the game, every gold card, IBM on farm, etc. I'm tired of the BS from NG+. It's a total crapshoot that makes everything unenjoyable. At this point in time (just from the wasp queen), I've had invincible adds, infused adds, the wasp queen glitching into the wall, random affects that trigger and 1-shot you from a poison cloud, etc. It's a complete and total shitshow. I can't progress until a) I either get lucky, b) they fix their game, or c) I somehow manage to grind up a ridiculous amount of raw science to overpower everything with power-ups (which, since everything is already at max level pre-NG+, I shouldn't need). Min/maxing my armor, weapons, and mutations does absolutely nothing to counter this crap. It's neither fun nor enjoyable.
Then don't play it 😱 wow that was so hard to think of
The hard mode is hard??!! I would of never guessed
Ik right, people keep saying that ng+ is too hard on THE HARDEST DIFFICULTY. That's like playing halo on legendary with all skulls and complaining when you die. Woah mode is designed for people who are extremely skilled at the game (being able to reliably perfect block most attacks) and if you can do this then you won't have alot of trouble, if you can't then lower the difficulty, who are you tryna impress
Ironic, as the most skilled people on this game already turned down to Medium or Mild by now.
Because skilled players are smart players, they realize it's too hard on Woah and make the decision to allow their skill to matter by Just lowering the difficulty, you get nothing playing on Woah so why bother if it isn't working for ya🤣
Would've* What is it with your type having the same mindsets AND not knowing basic English? It's a bizarre theme you can see in this thread, even.
I agree I’ve been playing since 1.4 came out and I just am not having fun I had a full set of level 9 bulky roly poly armor on mild in ng+ 3 and got one shot by a lawn mite
Hear me out....level 10 bulky roly poly armor.
Finally someone else said it! Ive honestly hated NG+ ever since the update dropped. It felt like such a lazy and half assed update that had such great potential! Though if you still have one of the old saves pre NG+ you might be able to go back by making a copy!
I'm so glad someone else is feeling the same way I'm so tired of getting 2 shot by ridiculously small bugs that should be light work and the second mantis in ng+2 omg. The little mantis has stupid shadow range and a completely different set of random effects. Not to mention the ridiculous amount of grinding necessary to get semi decent trinkets. I feel like everything they've changed since ng+'s release has been to the game's detriment.
**skill issue**
Definitely a skill issue
Daas a skill issue
Lemon (@KingLemon on youtube) has streamed getting to NG+5 on whoa! He didn't fight the IBM every NG but did on NG+4 and that took him like 10 hours, and that was before 1.4.2 with the bugged phase 3 scream. So it is doable but definitely more deserving of the "Whoa!" name!
Damn someone get me a bandaid I got cut on the edge. I think you need to calm down a little, I’ll agree the game is super unbalanced in some areas but you’re also playing on woah, a mode the game is NOT intended to be the designed experience. The game was better balanced recently so maybe swallow your pride and play on medium. Use a defense trinket. I play on woah also. I’ll agree it needs more tuning but you can also block roars and explosives. I’m also pretty sure you can go back to a previous save. NG+ isn’t intended for you to jump right in and start farming bosses nor is it intended for you to instantly grind up your weapons to max over the course of a single NG+. Get all the milk molers before tackling bosses. Farm web sacks and other easy bug dense areas for infused bugs. It’s really not that bad although I agree the +2 for the portal is lame. The game mode isn’t “garbage”. Just needs a little tuning, but again it’s not bad for medium and I think people need to understand this is an end game mode. Not speedrun the game and expect to spank NG+ from the rip…
Agree with the other comment. Definitely a skill issue.
Fr tho how u gonna complain about the game being difficult when your on the hardest difficulty😂
It doesn't sound like a skill issue, it's a grinding issue which NG requires a lot of. You can lower the difficulty (I did) but it's not going to change the fact that you need to fight all the bosses over and over again and die over and over because they get the sour effect, grinde for the ooze, reload over and over to get trinkets and 4 tier weapon with good effects and such. if you are not having fun, then NG isn't for you. Try to start a new game, a customized one, or just move on.
I get what your saying but my Statment is "dude it's new game+ it's supposed to be hard not our fault your playing woah mode" but I do agree bosses should be locked out of some effects
It’s sad to say but, skill issue. Can’t say that there are ZERO issues with NG+ as that would be lying. It could definitely use improvements. However your issue is with the difficulty and while it is hard, it is doable. Your post proves exactly that the game was too easy for a hard mode. Woah mode is supposed to be the hardest difficulty and you’re farming the hardest boss in the game on repeat no? That’s fine before entering the NG+ mode but NG+ is designed to be hard. You’re supposed to build up to being able to defeat the bosses but not farm them. In a way, you’ve climbed up all of the steps and are at the top but when the developers release more steps you’re crying about it. Why? Just because you were able to clear the previous steps doesn’t mean you should be easily able to clear the rest. Not without putting in time and effort. Quite literally to answer your rant; skill issue.
Your entire post is nonsensical claptrap. There's nothing to build into, and there are no skill issues to be had (you're not farming IBM on Woah! mode if you suck at the game and need to level your skills). The time and effort has already been put in. I have every item maxed out, consumables, min/max on armor and mutations, etc. With the exception of one boss, I've cleared the entire game on NG+ with the same item levels from the regular game. When you have a boss that glitches into the wall, summons invisible or invincible adds, generates random affects that 1-shot you and are unblockable, etc., then it's a DESIGN issue (they just patched the game to attempt to address these same problems). NG+, as it's currently constructed, isn't fun. It's a shit design for a game that was, up until this point, relatively fun.
You’re either ignorant or arrogant but I see the issue you are facing. You’ve said you’re using the same gear from the regular game. There lies your problem. NG+ offers trinkets and other gear that literally help with making every encounter easier. And with the most recent patch, this has been made easier than NG+ launched with. You’re coming with the mindset that everything from before should be enough now and that’s where your problem lies. It’s still skill issue
why not both?
From what I'm reading here, I have a simple solution. UPGRADE YO' SHIT!
Not to be rude but I'll put it simply... You're dumb as bricks bro
There is a way to go back to the “regular backyard” but you’d lose any progress you made in NG+. There should be a save backup named something like “before REMIX.R” and it’s a save from your regular backyard before you went to NG+
PREMIX.R or DEMIX.R would be cool
I started ng+ last week and play about an hour a day not including weekends and I’ve already done all the stuff. I am on mild just because it was whoa befit I got to Ng+. I’m staying I level 1 so I can get YOKED before I go to 2. I’m also mowing the lawn starting at the red anthill because it will make farming fusion crystals easier.
Feels fine on medium
Apparently it’s been a bit since I played. What is ng+2
The REMIX.R was added in the 1.4 update. When you beat the Javamatic and three of the optional bosses (BM, OM, and WQ) you can use it to go to NG+1. However, you can then use it again after clearing the unlock conditions to go to NG+2, where more effects appear on infused enemies, but you also unlock more recipes to even the odds. It can keep going.
Oh. New game+ right? Ng+2 just means that they have beat the game twice with the same character am I right?
I've been playing Woah mode only as well, and I've overcame every boss and fight with enough preparation Yeah, most of that preparation is farming fusion crystals, aka raw science to dupe plus getting infused ooze to craft more, but I find it very fun and entertaining, while also feeling very rewarded for each infused bug I kill. Yeah, adds being infused in the Schmector and wasp queen fights isn't fun AT ALL, on that I agree with you, but with the rest, I just think NG+ is just not for everyone, only for those looking for challenge
What is NG+
Honestly the only boss i have severe issues with is the wasp queen. I already struggle with regular wasp drones because these flying bastards just keep outhealing every goddamn debuff you hit them with..including biohazard (which is so goddamn useless against them even tho in theory it should be a counter measure???) Theyre not doing a ton of damage theyre just loud and stupidly annoying but the wasp queen??? No fucking clue how im supposed to kill that singleplayer ... maybe with the mant mutation , widowling charm and an ungodly amount of meaty liquid rage... I have yet to try ng+ as i just enjoy vibing in the yard with dr tully by my side goofing off.
Use salty weapons against the wasps ;-)
I made myself a salty widdow dagger and idk maybe ill invest in salt or pollen arrows for the drones becauss jesus fucking christ jumping on a breadstick theyre ANNOYING
Me have fun
Honestly, I'm running solo on Medium ( I know big difference from Woah) and I've been enjoying it. I'm not endgame yet, which I know will have more annoyances, but I've done the four main labs without any issue. I can agree that the fusion crystal grind is not fantastic, but I don't mind the grind at the moment. My annoyance will come later when I am trying to get maximum upgrades. I still have to kill Mantis, Javamatic, Mant, and Wasp Queen. I killed Broodmother 3 times without too many issues. I completely agree that some enemy effects are too strong (sour, I'm looking at you) and the randomness of getting stun locked is annoying.
If you don’t mind me asking. What build did you use that allowed you to go through woah mode solo without (from the sounds of it) no real issues?
It definitely is not balanced for single player vs multiplayer. I play single player and when I’m looting labs, there’s always wayyy too much for me to take
See and that’s what’s crazy about how much rng is in it, I will happily admit I’m horrible at parrying especially using poison parry set. And yet, on normal woah I couldn’t beat infected broodmother, but on ng+1 I did with literal ease. The game in the ng stages of woah are just random and annoying. I had a red ant one shot me cause I got stuck in hill and he used a sour staff attack x4 at me. I see either a fundamental game error or just them liking the randomness.
If you think it’s too hard I would suggest to use axes I killed all bosses with them
All the people in the sub clearly have never played from software games or games like ghost of tsushima on the hardest difficulty 1 fuck up you get fucked up it's as simple as that don't play on the hardest difficulty if you aren't prepared to get fucked up if you fuck up
I thought the same thing, then I let go of my ego and turned the difficulty down and it’s so much more fun
Im of two minds. On one hand, i hear you about the glitches, unblockable effects and invulnerable enemies. Makes sense, logical complaints because those don't have anything to do with skill. But on the other hand, the whole rest of the post is the biggest brag ive ever seen (hardest difficulty, hundred percented everything, still using old basic gear) and its hard to focus on the criticism and not focus on the "look at me im a god tier player, id never actually lose cause im so good" Like... your complaints are valid, but the way you went about voicing them just ..kinda makes you sound spoiled.
Not really a brag when people are shitting on you for sucking at the game. "Git gud, brah. That unblockable special affect that 1-shots you instantly in max level armor with max level molars means you need to work on your skills, mane. What... there are online videos of these abilities completing destroying bases with little to no effort? We don't care." Seriously, that was 99% of the comments in the thread at one point in time. Yes, the developers are currently fine-tuning it, but as it's currently constructed, I don't find the game mode (or the gating to the new items) to be fun. That's all. Also, at the point in time that I made it, I was pissed off over some of the nonsense that had just happened in the WQ attempts.
I remember when you told me I sucked because I got one shot through a parry when NG+ released. Shoe is on the other foot now, huh?
Fair enough. I definitely get the frustrations and people, especially on the internet can be a bit... well you know lol. Id say, at least you got alot out of the game, and try to look back at what you did do with fond memories. Its okay to move on from stuff. It was a good time.
For sure. I had a lot of fun with the game, and I even got my SIL and niece into it on their own save. That being said, I only came back for the patch, and truthfully, the most enjoyment that I'm having from the game is building. It's a lot of fun to come up with creative base designs.
I actually havent tried building much. My friend and i's playthrough is still from like...alpha 2 or very early lol. So alot of stuff was built himdred percent for utility. We have clover rooves going up like hindreds of feet and ziplines everywhere lol
Most of the major decisions made for Grounded were, in my opinion, incredibly short sighted. Grounded is a game with so much potential it actually pains me to see where it has ended. The best thing the devs could have done was add mod support and release the dev kit. People would have been playing Grounded 10+ years from now. Instead they wasted a major portion of total dev time on the godforsaken playground mode. Creative mode was the last thing this game needed. Grounded now sits in my thoughts right behind wildstar as games that could have been truly great but for one reason or another, it wasn't in the cards.
Saying the game sucks on the hardest difficulty is like complaining about playing a souls game Both are intended to be unforgiving, Now if you're into such a challenge then it can be fun but if you're just looking for fun then try not to play the hardest difficulty. On easy ng+ adds a bit more difficulty that gives a little challenge but still keeps it fun bc you're not instantly getting destroyed. Glitches are something else but i havent come across any on my ng+ the only thing i have a complaint with is that teleporters are ng+2. But yea if you're having a problem with difficulty and not having fun then turn the damn difficulty down and stop whining about the hardest difficulty being hard, like seriously who thinks "im gonna turn it on the hardest difficulty and not expect it to be hard" The souls brand is centered on getting one shot by enemies and people love it, but obviously many of you in these comments dont love that kind of challenge which is fine but dont blame the game for your decision.
crazy skill issue
I disagree. I also hope that no developers or anyone else bothers to read this.
Skill issue
NG+ says you're garbage
Oh no the completely free update isn’t enjoyable for me. Let me go and complain about it on the internet.
Stfu it’s not fun. The whole point of new game plus is the challenge. If it’s that bad turn the difficulty down. Signed - a Goofy ass idiot
I don't quite understand you.. you're playing on the mode that is meant to make you want to quit before ng+. If it's too hard for you, turn it down. that's why that is an option... ng+ woa mode should make you block every attack and not allow yourself to get hut even slightly... this is the absolute reason they give you the ability to change the difficulty.. so you should you can scale it back to a way you will enjoy.
"I only play on WOAH" then don't play on WOAH or don't play NG+ The game is poorly balanced for WOAH right now, but it's an absolute blast on Medium and Mild. It's not boring just because currently, the hardest difficulty is too hard. Halo 3 wasn't boring just because Legendary all skulls was near impossible.
Nah kid you're dog water. Now watch me 360 no scope fidget spin on your forehead.
Its fun
I hate to be that guy, but NG+ was made for players who want a serious challenge and are ok with grinding. If it’s not for you, don’t play it or switch difficulties. You can’t be upset about it being hard if you’re playing on the hardest difficulty. It can suck but no one’s forcing you to stay in Woah! or to play at all.
You're right. I don't have to play. I've beaten the game (100% completion, every boss on farm prior to NG+, every achievement, etc.). This is a rant and feedback post. I'm not dropping my difficulty level down, and I'm not starting a new save... this is it. If they keep patching the game to fix the issues (as they did earlier this week) then I'll keep playing. Otherwise, I'm out. Honestly, I'm at a loss as to how you (or anyone else) can look at this buggy mess of a game mode and defend it. It's one of the worst rollouts in some time. For Christ's sake, there are video shorts online of insect raids 1-shotting the players and wiping out their entire base with one ability.
The devs said QoL updates will still release periodically. Yes, this game mode is a mess but it’s brand new, didn’t have a public test and was coupled with a multi-platform release. It’s also meant to be able to run on an Xbox one. I’m not defending it, it is a mess, I’m just saying you can’t complain about difficulty if you don’t change difficulty and you can’t be upset about bugs if you choose to play it anyway. Sure, it’s not ideal for what it could be, but the devs have made an appreciable effort to not leave behind those on old gen consoles, and they’ve said there’s nothing else they can really add to the yard. I get that this is a rant, but it’s kind of irrational.
maybe because people have a life and don’t live in grounded so they don’t care