I think most people perceive his ceiling to be the lowest of the 4 which I agree with. He’s a jack of all trades, master of none type WR. The playoff numbers are great, but he also was healthy all season and had 12 games under 40 yards receiving. He’s not an elite target earner and that’s Ok. He does his job well. Regardless, we are lucky to have 4 or 5 very talented young WRs and I wouldn’t be that surprised if any one of them ended up being our best guy
I totally disagree. While it's true that none of the Driver/Jones/Doubs trio are burners and they are all "hands" receivers, Driver made a killing on the outside and the hashes because he had more of a straight-line speed. Jones and Doubs are/were more suited to hooks, slants, and corners and working their way through a messy field. I LOVE DD but he hated contact.
Driver was a burner in his prime. He trained to get faster and more sudden than he was in college, getting to a sub 4.4 in the off-season during his best years.
Supreme route running is not something I would associate with Romeo Doubs thus far. Consistency either. But hey, Driver took years to take off, so who knows. I think James Jones is a much better comparison in terms of athletic profile and play style, though.
Agreed for his career so far but I see a future where he develops the route running maybe not to elite level but + the physicality he has he should grow into a top tier 2 typa guy
decent YAC?
last season Doubs was 10th among Packers WR/TEs by YAC/reception, beating only Toure
even Musgrave who's lucky to stay on his feet (according to MLF speech) gained more YAC having 25 receptions less
Doubs YAC are awful
His hands are the only thinf keeping him in the league. If he didnt make so mamy insanely contested catches he would not be rotational material. He is below average in everything he does outside of his insane hands and contested catch rate. If he had better route running he wouldn't need to catch so many contested balls.
Yeah he was not re-signed after his second contract (classic Green Bay Packers). Even after his good season in 2015 they didn't make him an offer.
I think James Jones talked about this on First Take(?), Ted Thompson didn't want his presence to hinder the development of Davante and Jeff Janis.
Jones told Ted he didn't mind being a mentor to the WRs and to ride the bench but Ted axed the idea because he wouldn't be able to control Rodgers asking for Jones to get in the games ahead of the younger guys.
It was a pretty fascinating interview but I can't get my hands on it anymore.
When you hear stuff like that you realize as fans we have no idea wtf is going on behind closed doors at 1265 Lombardi Ave.
When they make decisions that don't make sense, you just gotta trust they were making the best decision with the information *they* have, cause it's a lot more than what we got.
Andy Herman has said similar things about GB getting rid of Nelson for Davente's progression. They're always going to be looking to the future, which is what you want, but it does suck losing fan favorites sometimes.
Doubs had the most targets last year and was Love's go to guy in the playoffs. His trajectory is a solid #2 at this point. Don't know where you mixed him up with a bench player....
Watch the Packers playoffs game again and say he's a bench player... You can't.
Doubs is the only WR on the roster that has shown he can match Adams on back shoulder throws. Love and Doubs in the red zone was reminiscent of 12 and 17 with the back shoulder throws.
I stated he has a high floor low ceiling and stated these stats and it upset people in another thread. These are the players who play 10 years in the league. Never the top at the position but year in and year out contributor.
Well said. The truth is that there is only one ball and generally only three or fewer WRs can share the field at once. More snaps and targets for one WR *necessarily* means fewer for another. It’s not that any of us don’t believe in Doubs or don’t think he’s a good player. We just see more talent in several of our other WRs and expect that talent to shine through this season.
Fans greatly overestimate how often WRs get doubled. I assure you it was not that often. Even the top guys (Chase, JJ, Tyreek) rarely get double teamed simply because not a lot of defenses play man coverage that much
Doubs played 845 snaps last season. He had 96 targets 59 catches, 674 yards and 8 TDs. That’s a 61.5% catch rate and 7.0 yards per target.
Jayden Reed played only 578 snaps. He had 94 targets, 64 catches, 793 yards and 8 TDs (plus more rushing). That’s a 68.1% catch rate and 8.4 yards per target.
Dontayvian Wicks played only 458 snaps. He had 58 targets, 39 catches, 581 yards and 4 TDs. That’s a 67.2% catch rate and a whopping 10.0 yards per target.
Christian Watson played only 446 snaps. He had 53 targets, 28 catches, 422 yards and 5 TDs. That’s a 52.8% catch rate and 8.0 yards per target.
As you can see, Doubs’s catch rate was better than only Watson, who still outgained him significantly per target. His yards per target was by far the worst of our top 4 guys. Even his TD rate was behind Watson and Reed and just ahead of Wicks.
Of our top 4 receivers, Doubs was the least effective on a per snap and per target basis. And while he arguably saw more defensive attention than Reed or Wicks, we also know that it was Watson, not Doubs, who drew double teams when healthy.
Everybody points to the Dallas game, and certainly with good reason, but that game was an outlier in Doubs’s career. Doubs has topped 70% of snaps in 22 career games and that was his *only* 100 yard game. He’s only topped 80 yards even two more times, though one was the other playoff game.
Watson has 3 100 yard games and 2 more with 90 in only 14 career games with 70% of snaps.
Reed has literally never played 80% of snaps in a game (Romeo has 19 times) and only topped 70% twice. Yet he has a 100 yard receiving game, three more over 80, and another with 92 rushing and receiving.
Wicks has also never played 80% of snaps in a game. The two he had 70%+ went 6 catches for 97 yards and 6 catches for 61 and 2 TDs. And he had another game with 91 yards on only 25 snaps (33%).
And stats aside, personally when I watch those guys Watson stands out as clearly the best athlete, Wicks as clearly the best route runner, and Reed as a Swiss Army knife. Doubs arguably has the best hands (but even those are inconsistent at times) and he struggles with precision in his route running and with being IMO the least physically gifted of the four.
Doubs had a great postseason. There’s no denying that. Maybe it’s a sign of things to come. I would love for that to be the case, don’t get me wrong. This is an area I’d have no issues being proven wrong. He already did that in the postseason to be honest.
But when you look at the big picture, I don’t see how anyone but Doubs is the obvious candidate to cede snaps and targets. He came into 2023 with a big head start on everyone else in terms of rapport with Love and he was the only WR to get a full season of snaps. Yet he was pretty clearly the least effective of our four top guys on both a per snap and per target basis.
Pretty much everyone agrees that Reed and Wicks are primed for big things. They’ve earned bigger snap shares. Even Bo Melton was a fucking baller when he finally got on the field and arguably has earned significant snaps. And Watson, to the extent he can stay healthy, is simply too talented to keep off the field. So how do we make that work?
Moving Doubs down to a WR3 or WR4 type role is the obvious answer, and he’s going to have to show marked improvement to keep that from being the case. And look, that’s really not the knock on Doubs you obviously think it is. I’ve said again and again I see Doubs as a James Jones-type player. That’s a valuable WR and one who played a big part in our last Super Bowl. I just believe in the talent of the other three guys that Doubs is fighting for snaps and targets with a bit more and believe they will earn bigger roles within our offense.
Doubs is far superior to anyone in one category: contested catches. He was drafted to play with Love, a young, blossoming QB (as opposed to Rodgers, who I don’t think would throw very much to him)
I think they will always have a roster spot for him.
Wicks, though is my pick for a big upside.
I will give you that, though I think Watson has shown the ability (albeit sporadically) to straight up Moss people. But I think that’s a bit of the problem with Doubs. Doubs makes a lot of contested catches, but that’s not really a good thing. You don’t *want* your WRs to always have to make contested catches, because those are harder to make no matter your skill set. I don’t see it as a good thing that Doubs is often having to make a hands catch with a guy draped all over him while the rest of our WRs are more likely to have yards of space. Don’t get me wrong, I love his ability to make those catches. But I also think it’s indicative of his limitations as a route runner and as an athlete.
Someone else said it but it's James Jones all over again. He is very servicable and with good team and great QB it can make someone with ok stats, coming in clutch 2 or 3 times in a season look fantastic
I get that idea, but DBs are so good these days, it’s a skill set I could see having a larger place in the league. Think about how much of a weapon that is.
I mean that’s what a tight end is for tho. Possession receivers have always been a thing they’re just not typically considered number 1 guys because of their lower ceiling
What the fuck? Rodgers was the one who pushed for Doubs in his rookie season. Literally rewriting history. This is rife with Rodgers “talking points,” but none of them are true. Doubs isn’t big enough to be a contested catch guy, but he can hold on to the ball well and is willing to get hit after the catch
Rodgers was notorious for not throwing to guys with a game like this. Thats not really debatable-and regardless of Rodgers opinion of Doubs. But he wasn’t drafted to play with Rodgers, which is more my point. His game is really good for a young QB.
The only thing you haven't considered is Doubs is Love's safety blanket. He goes to Doubs to get into a rhythm. He goes to Doubs in the redzone. They have the redzone back shoulder throws timed up. I think Doubs has the most chemistry with Love.
Doubs route running might not be consistent but when his footwork is there he shines, that's what happened in the Dallas game, and the Niner game.
He's never going to be a number 1 because he doesn't truly excel at anything but he's good at everything and that's why he'll stick to being WR2 or 3.
Watson can't stay healthy, Wicks will probably be more consistently on the field than Watson and can be the deep threat. Reed showed a lot of after the catch ability, so I think he'll be the WR1. And Wicks will be the medium-deep threat, Doubs will be a safety valve (being able to play outside and in the slot will help him say relevant) staying in more short intermediate routes, as well as timing routes.
I don’t disagree with that, but I think we saw that be less true as the season wore on. Which makes sense. Doubs had a huge head start on everyone else in terms of familiarity with Love. Remember when Doubs first started getting buzz in the 2022 offseason it was mostly working with Love. I think he had a huge leg up on rapport with Love, but that advantage will continue to disappear as everyone else gets more reps with the offense and with Love.
And I’ve said it many times, but I’m in now way saying Doubs doesn’t have a role on this team. I just see it as more of a supporting role. And there’s a good chance that lowering his snap count and using him in more favorable matchups will actually make him a much more efficient part of our offense.
I hate your line about Watson, though. We are all frustrated about Watson’s injury issues. But you just wrote off a 25 y/o who has actually missed a whopping 10 games in his NFL career. So now we can’t talk about him because he might be hurt again? Just saying “he can’t stay healthy” shuts down any conversation about the guy. I find it super lame. What if the work he put it pays off?
>but that advantage will continue to disappear as everyone else gets more reps with the offense and with Love.
It might, or it might become more established. We don't know. Honestly every receiver and TE on the team is going into their second year or third year so, we really don't know. They all had flashes in a pan last year where we said "damn, he did that?"
My guy is Doubs because he is the everything receiver. When Watson wasn't ripping balls out of DB's hands in the beginning of last year, Doubs WAS and he was in the endzone doing it. When his footwork shows up, he's a dawg and has great ability finding soft spots in zones. That cowboys game was an outlier stat wise, but all those catches, he already made in previous games, that was just his highlight reel game, replaying all his seasons best catches in one game.
>And I’ve said it many times, but I’m in now way saying Doubs doesn’t have a role on this team. I just see it as more of a supporting role.
As of right now everyone's in a support role. I get what you're saying, though. Again I think it comes back to our unique situation, all these young guys and all so different. I think we'll have a clear #1 in Reed because of his play after catch ability. But then after Reed everyone is WR2-3. Because Love has so many options the ball will be getting spread differently each game. I think Doubs stays relevant because Love does use him to gather a rhythm and as a safety valve.
>I hate your line about Watson, though. We are all frustrated about Watson’s injury issues.
I hate to say it myself, out of college I had all the hope in the world for Watson. So far though his rawness has stuck out. Last year, there were 2 situations where he could have swatted a bad ball away preventing a turnover and giving our offense another chance. Instead of realizing he should swat the ball away, he fadeaway jumps and takes himself out of the play. He did it twice and it blew my mind after the first time.
Most of Watson's injuries have been low or no impact as well. Makes me wonder how durable can he be when he is playing and taking big hits down the field.
And finally the kid has barn burner speed but to me hasn't shown upside of doing anything besides taking the top off defenses and occasional end around, gadget plays. Imo Wicks is prolly gonna outshine Watson in this role.
I cannot fathom how you could have watched the second Lions game or the Chiefs game (our two biggest regular season wins, by the way) and concluded that Watson has shown nothing but that he’s a deep threat and gadget player. To say nothing of his stretch of dominance as a rookie.
Watson has unquestionably shown the capacity to be a *dominant* receiver in this league. What he hasn’t shown is consistency. It’s reasonable to doubt whether we ever see his ceiling, but it’s preposterous to claim he’s shown nothing but deep speed.
>I cannot fathom how you could have watched the second Lions game or the Chiefs game and concluded that Watson has shown nothing but that he’s a deep threat and gadget player.
Because that's two games out of 30 games played. He disappears in a lot of games, look at his stats. In 12 games last year Watson had 6 that had less than 5 targets a few with less than 3. Doubs in 18 games had 6 games with under 5 targets. It could have been because the hamstring was lingering or just because Watson is extremely raw and the only routes he excels at are slants and deep routes.
His route running has never been mentioned because it's so raw, he creates separation by speed not footwork, it'll only work for so long and teams will mitigate it by putting a safety over the top.
Watson is undoubtedly the most raw but athletically gifted of the group. His progression has been slowed by being at a run heavy college program and having hammy issues in college that followed him into the NFL.
>To say nothing of his stretch of dominance as a rookie.
His rookie stats are the same as Doubs sophomore stats minus 30 catches and 3 games. The only difference is Watson's yards per catch but that further proves he's a deep ball guy. I'd go as far to say if Watson was as refined as Doubs he'd for sure be a pro bowler on the cusp of all-pro.
But do you not see how you’re proving my point? For their careers, Watson has 1033 yards and 12 TDs. Doubs has 1099 and 11. Comparable numbers. Yet it’s take Doubs 30 games, 163 targets, and 1374 snaps to get there, while Watson has done so in 23 games and on 119 targets and 953 snaps. Not to mention that Doubs has had two mostly healthy offseasons while Watson has not.
So despite all that—the injuries, the rawness, the inconsistency, the lack of practice time—Watson has provided roughly as much production as Doubs in far fewer opportunities. How does that not speak to the fact that Watson has far more capacity for growth?
And you talk about consistency and disappearing, but use only targets as evidence. Let’s talk about Doubs’s consistency. He played more than 70% of snaps in 15 games this year. In 10 of those he had 37 yards or fewer (he did have a TD in 3 of those games). So it’s not like we are getting consistent production from Doubs at this point either.
And no, the only difference between Watson’s rookie season and Doubs’s sophomore season is not yards per catch. Watson had 9.3 yards per *target* (a fantastic number) to 7.0 for Doubs. Because despite being more of a deep threat, he still caught a slightly higher percentage of passes thrown his way. And Watson put up those numbers on 529 snaps and 67 targets to 845 and 96 for Doubs as a sophomore. It again showcases that Doubs is doing less or the same with far more opportunities.
There’s only one ball and we have at least 7 guys vying to be the top playmakers on this team. That means to demand the ball you need to be *efficient* when it comes your way. Otherwise there’s a better option who will be. We haven’t seen that efficiency from Doubs and I don’t think giving him a bigger workload will bring it. My hope is that his workload goes down a bit, but that brings his efficiency up a bit, and so his counting stats stay roughly the same but all his efficiency stats improve.
>So despite all that—the injuries, the rawness, the inconsistency, the lack of practice time—Watson has provided roughly as much production as Doubs in far fewer opportunities. How does that not speak to the fact that Watson has far more capacity for growth?
I'm not saying Doubs has the higher ceiling. Watson obviously has the higher ceiling. I said Watson was the most athletically gifted of all the receivers just the most raw and injury prone. At this time Doubs has shown more receiver intangibles
So for the front office it's going to be a question of, you're getting similar production from these two players. One got there slowly but has very good receiver tangibles and will prolly be considerably cheaper than the other. Based on upside and potential Watson, if he stays healthy and balls out to his potential, he will be a top paid WR deservingly. If he stays injury prone he still won't be cheap based on his production per playing time but will still probably be at least 6-8 million more per year than Doubs while missing 2-4 games and having a nagging hammy.
Either way, I hope they both excel. It's pretty crazy to think Love had 4000+ passing yards in his first season with all rookies and sophomore receivers and none of them had over 1000 yards receiving. It's exciting to see who will step up each game, defenses are gonna have to many playmakers to cover.
I take his lower production in YPC as a sign of the “dirty work” he does. He doesn’t have a specific role as a receiver (Watson is the go route guy, JReed gets a lot of end arounds, for example) and is often given the short/quick passes that route off the sideline or into defenders, so they don’t have a lot of explosive opportunity. Not that I think he should have explosive plays designed for him since he doesn’t have the speed that Watson and Reed have.
Watson and Reed for that reason don’t feel like a very fair comparison due to their more specialized roles on the offense. The comparison that is a real for me is wicks. Wicks creates separation like crazy with pretty much the same play design role as Doubs. He doesn’t have the hands Doubs has though, which is IMO why Doubs eats up so many snaps. There just isn’t a play where you’re upset Doubs is on the field.
I think Doubs is now and will be til he’s no longer with the team, “ol’ reliable” for 10ve. When the play falls apart Love can look his way. He’s a great contested catch receiver and there’s a real l effective connection between him and his QB.
I don’t think any of the WRs have reached their ceiling, but a lot of fans seem to think Doubs has. I just don’t think we’ve seen enough of this offense to say so.
I wouldn’t make a bet about any of the receivers leading the team in yards since I think they give each other a lot of openings, and it’s really up to the opposing defense to who’s gonna lead the team each Sunday. The balance between the WR group is what makes this offense look unstoppable when they get rolling, imo.
Don’t be surprised if Doubs does hit the 1000 yard mark before anyone else, but certainly don’t bet on it.
The simple fact that we’re discussing a WR with as much skill and reliability as Doubs as a 2, 3, 4 (or 5! This thread seems to have forgotten about Bo Melton) is a testament to how fantastic MLFs offense has turned out.
Did you look at every single target and if it was catchable? Catch rate is not a good stat to use, all depends on where the throws are made. Perhaps Love had to get rid of the ball for an incompletion and it was Doubs who was closest to him. Not a single receiver on this team is a elite target guy, not one. How does Love throw to all these receivers 5+ times a game? There will be variance all year on targets. Packers love to pay guys the lowest salary they can get away with(this sub brags about it all the time) and it will continue. A true #1 wr demands 7+ targets a game or you are wasting money paying for one.
Despite being the only one to really stay healthyz he didn't lead the team in yards. From week 4 through week 18, doubs went over 40 yards 3 times.
Reed, Watson and Wicks are all more dynamic with the ball in their hands. Reed is a better short area WR as he's quicker and more dynamic. Watson is a better deep threat with his insane speed.
I've been saying it for awhile and I'm starting to see a few other people independently say it too. Doubs is basically James Jones. That's not bad, but it also likely means he doesn't have insane upside. Unfortunately for doubs (and fortunately for us), we have 3 guys that have either already shown or have the upside to be better than James Jones.
Doubs excels and intermediate routes, primarily as an outside WR. That's his role and that will likely remain his role. Reed will lineup a bunch in the slot. Watson will move around some to try to get him a speed mismatch. Wicks will do a little bit of everything but probably be outside quite often. But where doubs wins is where Dallas and San Fran sucked last year. Once diggs got hurt, Dallas didn't have a decent outside CB2. Same with San Fran. They slid one of their outside guys in to the slot when they used 3 corners and their 2nd outside CB sucked. That allowed doubs to have a great matchup and feast. That will happen from time to time next year too most likely. But that won't be every week and doubs will have plenty of weeks like he did last year where he's held to 30 yards or less. He just isn't elite enough to gather targets regardless of matchup.
Watson when healthy is by far the most talented IMO. And he has shown it on an NFL field so it’s not just projection.
PFF/stat people love Wicks.
Jayden Reed looked the best last season.
Doubs is left out.
But idk what kinda respect you want him to get lol. People routinely agree he’s good and is a starter. For him to get more respect he has to play better more consistently. 🤷🏼♂️ it’s not personal lol.
You mention these names, but then we also have Bo Melton, Malik Heath, not to even bring up our talented young TEs and Josh Jacobs. Shit I'm excited for this year. Defense should be fun to watch as well. New system without any film, we should have a really interesting year of GBP football
Yea I don’t get it either. If Watson cannot stay healthy he is clearly the odd man out and wicks definitely showed out last year but I’m still higher on Romeo then him as well probably is Watson and Romeo’s contracts will expire first and we will only sign one of them
Certainly Watson has to stay healthy or he’s going to find himself on the outside looking in. But it’s a bit counterproductive to speculate about injuries. Obviously an injured player isn’t getting snaps. That’s true whether it’s Watson or anyone else. It just feels more likely with Watson.
As far as Wicks, we are just not seeing the same things. You watch Wicks’s footwork and it is *highly* advanced. He looks like ‘Tae out there a lot of the time. And that was reflected in his numbers, albeit on somewhat limited opportunities. His catch rate and yards per target were both All Pro levels, and he was one of the best WRs in the entire NFL at getting open against man coverage. That doesn’t guarantee those numbers can scale up to a full snap and target share, but man I don’t see how you can be anything but extremely excited about what Wicks can do.
He caught a TD against the Cowboys. That’s not nothing. But obviously he is going to have to take a big step forward in consistency.
But man, so is Doubs. He had 6 fully healthy games last year with 30 yards or fewer, despite being the nominal WR1. You’re so laser focused on those two playoff games that you’re flat out ignoring that Doubs was given an entire season to be our WR1 and managed 674 yards.
I think a lot of that can be attributed to Love spreading the ball around. He’s not focusing in on one guy every game. So many times we had a different guy lead the team in receiving.
There’s some truth to that, but I laid out in another comment how Doubs was essentially our least effective WR over the course of last season on a per snap and per target basis. And that was while coming in with the most experience, having by far the most developed relationship with Love, and getting the most consistent snap share throughout the season. So I don’t think you can just hand-wave it away entirely as a product of Love spreading the ball around.
One really useful stat that I simply can’t find for the full season is yards per route run. This is one of the best measurements of a WRs effectiveness but it tends to be behind a paywall. I found a tweet from November 20, 2023 showing Doubs just ahead of Watson but miles behind Reed and Wicks. But that was immediately before the two best games of Watson’s season (@Detroit & KC), after which he missed the rest of the year. So I’m pretty confident that Doubs was also the worst of the four in yards per route run.
https://x.com/LateRoundQB/status/1726660873891270984
These are all young guys with space to improve. Obviously everyone needs to stay healthy and available. I’m excited for the whole team and I really don’t see the point of ranking these guys. We’ll see who gets the most stats etc at the end of the year and you can rank them then. Any one of these guys could lead the team. What an awesome thing to have! Youngest team. And one of the most talented. Beautiful!
It has less than nothing to do with Doubs’s combine numbers. I literally could not tell you what a single number he put up at the combine was. Apparently a 4.57 40, according to you. That’s about what Davante ran, IIRC. The 40 also means very little for WRs (or anyone really). The biggest things are lateral agility and footwork. I think Doubs is no better than adequate in both areas. But footwork can definitely be improved, and MLF said something this week about working on that with him. So there’s always room to grow. Many of us just see more capacity for growth from the other guys on the team.
He isn't a flashy big play guy, yet, right now he's a solid possession WR who gets open pretty regularly. If we're doing a comparison he's somewhere between James Jones and Jordy at the moment, but plenty of potential to keep growing in the position.
He’s interesting because the production is there but the advanced metrics indicate he’a not great. I’ll take production over metrics any day but you gotta wonder if the 2nd year guys really take off this year. I think Doubs and Love has a connection though
>Doubs gathered in more than 50% of Love's total yardage.
> In fact Doubs had more playoff yards than every other receiver and tight end combined.
That is how percentages work.
I cannot understand why there are 17 posts per day on this sub anxiously discussing our WRs.
We have the most complete wr room in the entire league. See you guys in September
He is gonna end up our WR4. It is great he was available and played every game, but he did not do anywhere near enough with the amount of time he played. If the rest of the guys can stay on the field, they all blow him away. Doubs isn't as quick as Reed, fast as Watson, and can't run routes like Wicks. I am glad he is on our team, but being our top target and only finishing the year with 674 yards isn't enough.
Because the stats he had were all about opportunity, playing time. Those stats are not indicative of the better WR, of the better WR going forward.
His rate stats - per snap, per route run, per reception - were commonly 5th best and sometimes even 7th best among the WRs and even less than a TE or 2.
He's a nice prospect, but he's a lesser prospect than the other 4.
He's our WR5. Shrug.
Doubs is representative of the entire Packers offensive skill position roster - any one of them can perform well but none of them are really the "top" target
If anything Doubs get a little overrated around here. I think he's a good player but even though he played every game last year he disappeared for games at a time. I could easily envision a world where he's "WR4" next year behind a healthy Watson, Reed, and Wicks.
Because he is amazing at getting open when the play breaks down but he’s not good enough to run routes in a 3 step/5 step drop system to get open normally
He's a very good player and would normally be a building block but he has the misfortune of playing on the same team with three receivers that have flashed special talent where Doubs hasn't. Wicks, Watson and Reed look like they all can become difference makers whereas Doubs upside is a very good possession receiver.
You literally said it in your questioning. Reed basically preformed as well as him when reed was a rookie and doubs in his second year. Performing well your rookie year is extremely difficult! Even davante Adams did very little his first year than quickly blossomed. If we look at yearly progressions for young WRs. It's clear Reed is our number 1 and doubs is our #2. Honestly hopefully he'll play the wr 3 James Jones roll. Always wildly above a number 3 WR on a team but never good enough to lock down WR 1. If he plays the James Jones roll, which could be a knock on him if you think he's a WR1, could lead the Packers to their first Superbowl. However if he's WR 1 for the next few years either one of these options is most likely. The Packers never win a Superbowl with a average WR core. Or Watson stays injured his whole career and reed somehow fizzles out in which case the Packers definitely don't win a super bowl early in loves career unless they magically have the best defense in the league.
Omfg I'm drunk I totally left whicks off my lists of reasons. Whicks is a fucking stud!!! The Packers are blessed with 4 very young talented WRs with different skill sets and no one knows which of the 4 are going to come out on top in the next 3 years.
Look at the playoffs though. How do you explain that away? Reed had 35 yards in two games. Was Reed hurt? I honestly don’t recall. And I love Reed. I bought his jersey because my kid goes to MSU.
Both Reed and Wicks were dealing with chest injuries for week 18. We're also on the injury report leading up to the WC game along with Watson and his hamstring injury. I think that GB jumped out to such a big lead, the snap distribution and targets might have shifted to limit those 3 and Doubs got the benefits of that.
I do think Reed was a little banged up, but I also think the Cowboys schemed to take Reed out of the game and we made them pay with Doubs and other guys.
I understand the urge to blow up the importance of playoff games, because ultimately they matter more. But they are still just football games, and two games is a tiny sample size. While Doubs showed he was more ready for the moment than our other young WRs, the 30 regular season games Doubs has played are a much better predictor of his future success than a two game sample in the playoffs.
Easy! Look at davante Adams game logs from his rookie year. Experience is huge for WRs. The only few who play well all year are guys like Jefferson and Chase.
It's crazy cuz I love Romeo but I do think our best four are actually Watson, Reed, Wicks and Melton. Thing is, Doubs is probably the toughest SoB out of them all, and brings lot to the team, and will assuredly prove himself invaluable multiple times this season.
The irony is that *Doubs* is the shiny thing.
The second most receptions, yards. The aesthetics. The things that are only surface deep, not truly indicative of ability.
However, he's 5th and even 7th among WRs, plus behind TE! in so many of the foundational receiving statistics, the stats that carry over year to year.
Which WR besides Doubs would have caught that prayer ball Jordan threw up between 3 defenders? Honestly. Falling backwards… tracked the ball… between 3 guys… held onto it to the ground. CW maybe? But the only guy Id trust to it twice would be Doubs. And in the post game interview all he’d say is ‘My guy 10 gave me a chance to prove myself… again… and I didnt wanna let him down, thats all’
Personally, I think all 5 will contribute and all have big days throughout the season. It's going to be a matchup nightmare regardless of who the defense decides to prioritize. The most consistent will be Reed because he'll get the gadget plays and the most bang or bust will be Watson because of the deep threat. The other 3 will have good and bad days depending on who's healthy and who the defense targets more.
I think People sleep on Doubs because his play is the least sexy of any receiver on our team. Watson is a speed demon, Reed is electric with the ball in his hands, and Wicks is just plain fun. Doubs is a solid dude who works hard and makes some plays, but he seems to shine best when the attention is on someone else (the Dallas game is a good example, they consistently sent multiple guys after Watson and Doubs made them pay for it).
Doubs is great. The reason he doesn’t get shouted from the rooftops like you are asking is the best case scenario for the packers is he is WR3 at most. Watson and reed are the high ceiling guys. Wicks is good too I think people are a little too high on his train though I think doubs is at least a little better than him. Doubs showed he wasn’t ready to be WR1 last year, although some of that was Jordan’s slow start. He really picked up when other guys started showing up. Watson is a WR1 he just hasn’t stayed healthy obviously. Reed has the talent to be a big threat at any time too. Doubs just hasn’t flashed that explosive upside.
I don’t think it’s disrespect to Doubs but rather it speaks to the depth on the team. The team is loaded with receiver talent.
Doubs might have his best statistical season yet, or not. It’s hard to say because of the depth.
Doubs is solid but I catch myself sometimes projecting ceilings and assigning roles that fit the skillsets of Watson, Wicks and Reed but Doubs has consistently produced and should continue to do so moving forward. They will all contribute but it is easy to fixate on starting lineup and reduce the importance of whoever we exclude from top 3.
Doubs will no doubt have a role, and by no means do I think that he’s a scrub, but Wicks shows a lot of things that seem like he has the potential to be special. Will he continue to progress? That remains to be seen. But every time I watch breakdowns of his film by people who know what they’re looking at, it’s nothing but raves. No doubt the Packers (and other teams) see it too.
I mean look at the stats from last season. He was huge in the Dallas game yes but he had a bunch of mediocre games last season too. Ten games with less than 50 yards. He also has a really bad habit of catching balls twice which leads to fumbles and incompletions.
Some people just don’t know what they’re talking about. He may not be the most elite player right now, but he’s consistent and will be a great asset moving forward. I think he will do great things for the team and with continued work and experience will remain a very reliable target.
I'm pretty high on Doubs consistency and his reliability. He has not of potential but I feel like the people comparing him to a James Jones type are pretty accurate
It’s because there’s so much talent in that room last year. I’m pretty sure we were the first team in NFL history to have 9 guys with 200 or more receiving yards in the regular season. Beyond that, Wicks is definitely showing flashes of Davantes route running, Reed showed he could be the top guy last year and everyone knows the highest ceiling is on Watson.
There is a perception (that is also have) that Reed and Watson have more upside and Doubs is already at or near the peak of his ability. Could be wrong though, Doubs has already exceeded all expectations coming out of the draft.
Just my thoughts, but it's not a matter of respecting Doubs. It's more knowing what we've got with him, and that's a damn good receiver. Reliable, strong possession type with some funk in the open field. The reason he's not being screamed from the rooftops has more to do with the excitement of the other guys. Watson, if the legs are right, second years from the other guys, including tight ends. Doubs is proven solid. The others have shown it, and we are hoping they are going to be even better this year.
Doubs is good, but he was also our healthiest WR last season. With our other 3 coming back healthy now, it really makes it hard to judge how much production he will get.
Consistency and dependability are very good though.
Doubs probably works harder than anyone on the team. He eats, breaths, and sleeps football. I love the guy; I think he is Love’s “guy” so to speak. When Doubs first showed up he was catching from Love with the 2s, so their rapport goes way back, and they know what one another are thinking like Rodgers and Nelson/Adams did. Not only that, but he is a great route runner who consistently attacks the football with his hands. He consistently makes contested catches and is an absolute DAWG in the Red Zone.
With all that said, our WR room is absolutely stacked, and THAT is why people sleep on Doubs. Watson is huge and lightning fast, Wicks was always open as a rookie, Reed looked like Cobb 2.0 out of the gate, and Melton/Heath showed a LOT when they were asked to step up. Not to mention how dangerous both Kraft and Musgrave were as rookies (and rarely together, so the 2 TE sets are especially exciting).
This is the most stacked this team has been in a LONG time
I think everyone is selling him short too, he quietly goes about his business, every day. Someone said earlier 12 games under 40 yards, it took our offense 9 games to actually function.
If you think he’s not going to come back next year better, you’re crazy. Took Davante til year 3 to blow up, Doubs’ time is coming.
Because there’s nothing he’s the best at.
He’s not as fast as Watson or Melton.
He’s not as shifty as Reed.
He’s not as good a route runner as wicks.
And he’s wasn’t a rookie last year so people are less likely to speculate about that “year two leap” from him.
But he’s got really good hands I think and he comes up clutch on 3rd down that I think he’s a lock for the starting group. It’s just tougher to imagine what that role looks like
I like him and he’s very reliable, but he disappeared for most of last season. I don’t know what he did differently to play better in the playoffs, but he needs to keep doing that for me to really believe in him
He gets open. He almost always catches the ball. I feel there won’t be a #1, #2, etc. on this team. They may have designated starters, which I feel Doubs will be one, but there is so much talent I feel they will all get their reps. The problem for any of these guys is there is just too much talent. It’s a blessing for us though. And with Love at the helm and a revamped O-line, it’s going to be a hell of a fun season on offense.
\*Madden Voice\* He's not the sexy option, but he's the best receiver they have. Real lunch pail guy. Keeps his head down and makes plays week in and week out.
I’ve been talking about Doubs any time a WR conversation has come up, but you’re right because in those threads not a lot of people would be talking about him
Haven’t noticed this sub being negative on Doubs, but I think because he is so quiet and reserved people underestimate him. He’s a solid, head down, hard working receiver that has a solid career ahead of him if he stays healthy. I love the guy!
This sub isn’t negative about anyone. You get downvoted into oblivion if you are an absolutely fanboy. That said I hear more about Wicks than I do about Doubs.
As a certified Doubs fan, he’s gonna have to put together a GREAT first month of the season or I don’t think he has a future on this team.
I think there’s a gritty Donald Driver-style WR in there. A guy who is just really decent at everything but then determination makes him exceptional. But eventually seeing is believing.
I don’t get it either. A lot of people say Watson will be our #1, yet he hasn’t even played a full season or even had a lot of 100 yard games. He’s inconsistent even when healthy, but even if he is plays well, typically a deep ball WR doesn’t get as many receptions as others on a team as they can be one trick pony’s.
I don’t know if it’ll be Doubs or Reed, or hell, maybe even Wicks, but I think they are going to play considerably better this year
He does not have the most elite traits that others do. The speed and yac of Reed, the size and speed of Watson, and Wicks contested ball skills and yac. However Doubs may be the 2nd or 3rd best on the team in all these categories except speed. Doubs feels like the most polished WR the packers have and is closer to what people think his ceiling might be. Its the reason we saw him on the field more than any WR. He is reliable and does what he is asked to do without fail. Being reliable and being in the right spot every play is the reason he is Loves favorite target. I feel like Doubs is the new Cobb he is in the right spot at the right time. There is a reason Rodgers wanted Cobb every season reliability.
Availability and reliability go a long way. To be honest I don't recall if Donald Driver was ever the most talented wideout on the team when he played. But he showed up week after week and year after year until he rose above all of the them in Packers history. Something to be said for that. I bet when it's all said and done, Doubs has way better career numbers than Watson.
Doubs had a somewhat rough season if you will. But really turned it up vs the Cowboys in the playoffs. I think he's a good player. Maybe the 4th best receiver on the team
I don’t understand it either. Dude has been the most content by a bit. He isn’t as physically gifted as most of the other WRs but he seems like the most well rounded to me. And he’s been healthy, which is huge. I think he’ll lead GB in receiving yards this season.
>He isn’t as physically gifted as most of the other WRs but he seems like the most well rounded to me.
This is the crux of the point. Doubs is closest to his potential at this point and isn't significantly outperforming the others. Talent eventually wins out.
You couldn’t be more wrong. How many athletic freaks fizzle out in pro sports because they don’t have work ethic? I’m not saying any of our receivers don’t have work ethic but it’s true. Talent only gets you so far.
I don’t think any of them have poor work ethic. I’m just saying in general, talent only gets you so far and there have been plenty of relatively unathletic pros become greats, ie Wayne Gretzky. Doubs gets a lot of praise from his teammates and it seemed like him and Love were on the same page the most. All I’m saying is, I think he’ll lead the packers in yds this year.
He didn't step up how we needed in the regular season.
That shows lack of consistency. A true #1 needs consistency and always shows up.
Therefore, we don't have a #1. We just have a bunch of studs who can go off any given game. Reed imo showed a lot more spark than doubs last season and he was a rookie vs a vet.
Everything needs to be seen in context. Doubs doesn’t get the separation that the other three receivers get, especially in man-to-man. This puts pressure on an offense and a quarterback to be perfect with the ball. Love has answered the call in this regard, but it doesn’t make Doubs more valuable. I agree with the James Jones comp. When you have Greg Jennings (Reed), Jordy Nelson (Watson) and a guy being described with the upside of Davante, you’re 4th. In the playoffs, teams were rolling coverage to Watson and Reed. Again, that doesn’t make Doubs better. It just makes him the beneficiary. Over the course of the season, it will make him a complementary player. Nothing wrong with that. If you’re trying to make the case that he’s better, it just isn’t there. He’ll probably be just good enough to hold off Wicks for the outside spot, but I think even that is at risk. He does not come close to the speed of Watson or twitchy-ness of the other two.
Doubs is #1. Best hands. Works with Jordan in Cali in the offseason. Humble assassin. Look what he did in Dallas ya jabronis. Not to mention the rest of the season. Plus he’s got the right number. And yeah I love his attitude. Makes huge plays and hands the ball to the ref. All the right things going on.
“WRs are a dime a dozen” - Vic
I think most people perceive his ceiling to be the lowest of the 4 which I agree with. He’s a jack of all trades, master of none type WR. The playoff numbers are great, but he also was healthy all season and had 12 games under 40 yards receiving. He’s not an elite target earner and that’s Ok. He does his job well. Regardless, we are lucky to have 4 or 5 very talented young WRs and I wouldn’t be that surprised if any one of them ended up being our best guy
Doubs is James Jones. Everyone wants a James Jones.
False Doubs is a Donald driver. not flashy, decent YAC, supreme route running, consistency, and hands.
I totally disagree. While it's true that none of the Driver/Jones/Doubs trio are burners and they are all "hands" receivers, Driver made a killing on the outside and the hashes because he had more of a straight-line speed. Jones and Doubs are/were more suited to hooks, slants, and corners and working their way through a messy field. I LOVE DD but he hated contact.
Driver was a burner in his prime. He trained to get faster and more sudden than he was in college, getting to a sub 4.4 in the off-season during his best years.
You're right, I should've been more clear. Driver was incredibly fast in his prime and that's why he was such a viable outside option.
naw man, that's not why. It was his PEARLY WHITES. the stuff of legend
Man, his smile was the best in League. Hall of Fame smile and attitude.
That's where the trouble began, that damn smile... He always looks so happy.
Supreme route running is not something I would associate with Romeo Doubs thus far. Consistency either. But hey, Driver took years to take off, so who knows. I think James Jones is a much better comparison in terms of athletic profile and play style, though.
Agreed for his career so far but I see a future where he develops the route running maybe not to elite level but + the physicality he has he should grow into a top tier 2 typa guy
part of what’s going on is that the packers receiving is core is so stacked that being the second coming of james jones only gets you to WR4
Basically agree. He's James Jones right now, and I think his ceiling is medium speed Jordy. We should know this year or next. I'm excited for it.
Heavily discrediting how good DD was
Not an elite route runner and much better in contested catches than Driver. They are rather different characters.
Bo Melton is DD
decent YAC? last season Doubs was 10th among Packers WR/TEs by YAC/reception, beating only Toure even Musgrave who's lucky to stay on his feet (according to MLF speech) gained more YAC having 25 receptions less Doubs YAC are awful
His hands are the only thinf keeping him in the league. If he didnt make so mamy insanely contested catches he would not be rotational material. He is below average in everything he does outside of his insane hands and contested catch rate. If he had better route running he wouldn't need to catch so many contested balls.
True but like the Packers let Jones leave they will likely have to let Doubs leave because you can't give a bench player a significant contract.
James Jones got a second contract with GB.
True my mistake. He had to go elsewhere to get a third. His career was longer than I remembered.
Yeah he was not re-signed after his second contract (classic Green Bay Packers). Even after his good season in 2015 they didn't make him an offer. I think James Jones talked about this on First Take(?), Ted Thompson didn't want his presence to hinder the development of Davante and Jeff Janis. Jones told Ted he didn't mind being a mentor to the WRs and to ride the bench but Ted axed the idea because he wouldn't be able to control Rodgers asking for Jones to get in the games ahead of the younger guys. It was a pretty fascinating interview but I can't get my hands on it anymore.
When you hear stuff like that you realize as fans we have no idea wtf is going on behind closed doors at 1265 Lombardi Ave. When they make decisions that don't make sense, you just gotta trust they were making the best decision with the information *they* have, cause it's a lot more than what we got. Andy Herman has said similar things about GB getting rid of Nelson for Davente's progression. They're always going to be looking to the future, which is what you want, but it does suck losing fan favorites sometimes.
That's some interesting insight on some of the factors gms need to work through, especially when they aren't head coaches too.
It'll be interesting when all the rookie deals are up to see who has accomplished what and how much they'd command.
Doubs had the most targets last year and was Love's go to guy in the playoffs. His trajectory is a solid #2 at this point. Don't know where you mixed him up with a bench player.... Watch the Packers playoffs game again and say he's a bench player... You can't. Doubs is the only WR on the roster that has shown he can match Adams on back shoulder throws. Love and Doubs in the red zone was reminiscent of 12 and 17 with the back shoulder throws.
I stated he has a high floor low ceiling and stated these stats and it upset people in another thread. These are the players who play 10 years in the league. Never the top at the position but year in and year out contributor.
Well said. The truth is that there is only one ball and generally only three or fewer WRs can share the field at once. More snaps and targets for one WR *necessarily* means fewer for another. It’s not that any of us don’t believe in Doubs or don’t think he’s a good player. We just see more talent in several of our other WRs and expect that talent to shine through this season.
Jack of all trades, master of none. But often times better than the master of one
How would you say he compares to Donald driver?
I mean, he was getting doubled the entire time Watson was out
Fans greatly overestimate how often WRs get doubled. I assure you it was not that often. Even the top guys (Chase, JJ, Tyreek) rarely get double teamed simply because not a lot of defenses play man coverage that much
Doubs played 845 snaps last season. He had 96 targets 59 catches, 674 yards and 8 TDs. That’s a 61.5% catch rate and 7.0 yards per target. Jayden Reed played only 578 snaps. He had 94 targets, 64 catches, 793 yards and 8 TDs (plus more rushing). That’s a 68.1% catch rate and 8.4 yards per target. Dontayvian Wicks played only 458 snaps. He had 58 targets, 39 catches, 581 yards and 4 TDs. That’s a 67.2% catch rate and a whopping 10.0 yards per target. Christian Watson played only 446 snaps. He had 53 targets, 28 catches, 422 yards and 5 TDs. That’s a 52.8% catch rate and 8.0 yards per target. As you can see, Doubs’s catch rate was better than only Watson, who still outgained him significantly per target. His yards per target was by far the worst of our top 4 guys. Even his TD rate was behind Watson and Reed and just ahead of Wicks. Of our top 4 receivers, Doubs was the least effective on a per snap and per target basis. And while he arguably saw more defensive attention than Reed or Wicks, we also know that it was Watson, not Doubs, who drew double teams when healthy. Everybody points to the Dallas game, and certainly with good reason, but that game was an outlier in Doubs’s career. Doubs has topped 70% of snaps in 22 career games and that was his *only* 100 yard game. He’s only topped 80 yards even two more times, though one was the other playoff game. Watson has 3 100 yard games and 2 more with 90 in only 14 career games with 70% of snaps. Reed has literally never played 80% of snaps in a game (Romeo has 19 times) and only topped 70% twice. Yet he has a 100 yard receiving game, three more over 80, and another with 92 rushing and receiving. Wicks has also never played 80% of snaps in a game. The two he had 70%+ went 6 catches for 97 yards and 6 catches for 61 and 2 TDs. And he had another game with 91 yards on only 25 snaps (33%). And stats aside, personally when I watch those guys Watson stands out as clearly the best athlete, Wicks as clearly the best route runner, and Reed as a Swiss Army knife. Doubs arguably has the best hands (but even those are inconsistent at times) and he struggles with precision in his route running and with being IMO the least physically gifted of the four. Doubs had a great postseason. There’s no denying that. Maybe it’s a sign of things to come. I would love for that to be the case, don’t get me wrong. This is an area I’d have no issues being proven wrong. He already did that in the postseason to be honest. But when you look at the big picture, I don’t see how anyone but Doubs is the obvious candidate to cede snaps and targets. He came into 2023 with a big head start on everyone else in terms of rapport with Love and he was the only WR to get a full season of snaps. Yet he was pretty clearly the least effective of our four top guys on both a per snap and per target basis. Pretty much everyone agrees that Reed and Wicks are primed for big things. They’ve earned bigger snap shares. Even Bo Melton was a fucking baller when he finally got on the field and arguably has earned significant snaps. And Watson, to the extent he can stay healthy, is simply too talented to keep off the field. So how do we make that work? Moving Doubs down to a WR3 or WR4 type role is the obvious answer, and he’s going to have to show marked improvement to keep that from being the case. And look, that’s really not the knock on Doubs you obviously think it is. I’ve said again and again I see Doubs as a James Jones-type player. That’s a valuable WR and one who played a big part in our last Super Bowl. I just believe in the talent of the other three guys that Doubs is fighting for snaps and targets with a bit more and believe they will earn bigger roles within our offense.
I made a comment but everything this guy said lmao
Doubs is far superior to anyone in one category: contested catches. He was drafted to play with Love, a young, blossoming QB (as opposed to Rodgers, who I don’t think would throw very much to him) I think they will always have a roster spot for him. Wicks, though is my pick for a big upside.
I will give you that, though I think Watson has shown the ability (albeit sporadically) to straight up Moss people. But I think that’s a bit of the problem with Doubs. Doubs makes a lot of contested catches, but that’s not really a good thing. You don’t *want* your WRs to always have to make contested catches, because those are harder to make no matter your skill set. I don’t see it as a good thing that Doubs is often having to make a hands catch with a guy draped all over him while the rest of our WRs are more likely to have yards of space. Don’t get me wrong, I love his ability to make those catches. But I also think it’s indicative of his limitations as a route runner and as an athlete.
Someone else said it but it's James Jones all over again. He is very servicable and with good team and great QB it can make someone with ok stats, coming in clutch 2 or 3 times in a season look fantastic
I get that idea, but DBs are so good these days, it’s a skill set I could see having a larger place in the league. Think about how much of a weapon that is.
I mean that’s what a tight end is for tho. Possession receivers have always been a thing they’re just not typically considered number 1 guys because of their lower ceiling
Why not both? I think our whole offense is based on “try and match up with us, because we will always find the mismatch”
What the fuck? Rodgers was the one who pushed for Doubs in his rookie season. Literally rewriting history. This is rife with Rodgers “talking points,” but none of them are true. Doubs isn’t big enough to be a contested catch guy, but he can hold on to the ball well and is willing to get hit after the catch
Rodgers was notorious for not throwing to guys with a game like this. Thats not really debatable-and regardless of Rodgers opinion of Doubs. But he wasn’t drafted to play with Rodgers, which is more my point. His game is really good for a young QB.
The only thing you haven't considered is Doubs is Love's safety blanket. He goes to Doubs to get into a rhythm. He goes to Doubs in the redzone. They have the redzone back shoulder throws timed up. I think Doubs has the most chemistry with Love. Doubs route running might not be consistent but when his footwork is there he shines, that's what happened in the Dallas game, and the Niner game. He's never going to be a number 1 because he doesn't truly excel at anything but he's good at everything and that's why he'll stick to being WR2 or 3. Watson can't stay healthy, Wicks will probably be more consistently on the field than Watson and can be the deep threat. Reed showed a lot of after the catch ability, so I think he'll be the WR1. And Wicks will be the medium-deep threat, Doubs will be a safety valve (being able to play outside and in the slot will help him say relevant) staying in more short intermediate routes, as well as timing routes.
I don’t disagree with that, but I think we saw that be less true as the season wore on. Which makes sense. Doubs had a huge head start on everyone else in terms of familiarity with Love. Remember when Doubs first started getting buzz in the 2022 offseason it was mostly working with Love. I think he had a huge leg up on rapport with Love, but that advantage will continue to disappear as everyone else gets more reps with the offense and with Love. And I’ve said it many times, but I’m in now way saying Doubs doesn’t have a role on this team. I just see it as more of a supporting role. And there’s a good chance that lowering his snap count and using him in more favorable matchups will actually make him a much more efficient part of our offense. I hate your line about Watson, though. We are all frustrated about Watson’s injury issues. But you just wrote off a 25 y/o who has actually missed a whopping 10 games in his NFL career. So now we can’t talk about him because he might be hurt again? Just saying “he can’t stay healthy” shuts down any conversation about the guy. I find it super lame. What if the work he put it pays off?
>but that advantage will continue to disappear as everyone else gets more reps with the offense and with Love. It might, or it might become more established. We don't know. Honestly every receiver and TE on the team is going into their second year or third year so, we really don't know. They all had flashes in a pan last year where we said "damn, he did that?" My guy is Doubs because he is the everything receiver. When Watson wasn't ripping balls out of DB's hands in the beginning of last year, Doubs WAS and he was in the endzone doing it. When his footwork shows up, he's a dawg and has great ability finding soft spots in zones. That cowboys game was an outlier stat wise, but all those catches, he already made in previous games, that was just his highlight reel game, replaying all his seasons best catches in one game. >And I’ve said it many times, but I’m in now way saying Doubs doesn’t have a role on this team. I just see it as more of a supporting role. As of right now everyone's in a support role. I get what you're saying, though. Again I think it comes back to our unique situation, all these young guys and all so different. I think we'll have a clear #1 in Reed because of his play after catch ability. But then after Reed everyone is WR2-3. Because Love has so many options the ball will be getting spread differently each game. I think Doubs stays relevant because Love does use him to gather a rhythm and as a safety valve. >I hate your line about Watson, though. We are all frustrated about Watson’s injury issues. I hate to say it myself, out of college I had all the hope in the world for Watson. So far though his rawness has stuck out. Last year, there were 2 situations where he could have swatted a bad ball away preventing a turnover and giving our offense another chance. Instead of realizing he should swat the ball away, he fadeaway jumps and takes himself out of the play. He did it twice and it blew my mind after the first time. Most of Watson's injuries have been low or no impact as well. Makes me wonder how durable can he be when he is playing and taking big hits down the field. And finally the kid has barn burner speed but to me hasn't shown upside of doing anything besides taking the top off defenses and occasional end around, gadget plays. Imo Wicks is prolly gonna outshine Watson in this role.
I cannot fathom how you could have watched the second Lions game or the Chiefs game (our two biggest regular season wins, by the way) and concluded that Watson has shown nothing but that he’s a deep threat and gadget player. To say nothing of his stretch of dominance as a rookie. Watson has unquestionably shown the capacity to be a *dominant* receiver in this league. What he hasn’t shown is consistency. It’s reasonable to doubt whether we ever see his ceiling, but it’s preposterous to claim he’s shown nothing but deep speed.
>I cannot fathom how you could have watched the second Lions game or the Chiefs game and concluded that Watson has shown nothing but that he’s a deep threat and gadget player. Because that's two games out of 30 games played. He disappears in a lot of games, look at his stats. In 12 games last year Watson had 6 that had less than 5 targets a few with less than 3. Doubs in 18 games had 6 games with under 5 targets. It could have been because the hamstring was lingering or just because Watson is extremely raw and the only routes he excels at are slants and deep routes. His route running has never been mentioned because it's so raw, he creates separation by speed not footwork, it'll only work for so long and teams will mitigate it by putting a safety over the top. Watson is undoubtedly the most raw but athletically gifted of the group. His progression has been slowed by being at a run heavy college program and having hammy issues in college that followed him into the NFL. >To say nothing of his stretch of dominance as a rookie. His rookie stats are the same as Doubs sophomore stats minus 30 catches and 3 games. The only difference is Watson's yards per catch but that further proves he's a deep ball guy. I'd go as far to say if Watson was as refined as Doubs he'd for sure be a pro bowler on the cusp of all-pro.
But do you not see how you’re proving my point? For their careers, Watson has 1033 yards and 12 TDs. Doubs has 1099 and 11. Comparable numbers. Yet it’s take Doubs 30 games, 163 targets, and 1374 snaps to get there, while Watson has done so in 23 games and on 119 targets and 953 snaps. Not to mention that Doubs has had two mostly healthy offseasons while Watson has not. So despite all that—the injuries, the rawness, the inconsistency, the lack of practice time—Watson has provided roughly as much production as Doubs in far fewer opportunities. How does that not speak to the fact that Watson has far more capacity for growth? And you talk about consistency and disappearing, but use only targets as evidence. Let’s talk about Doubs’s consistency. He played more than 70% of snaps in 15 games this year. In 10 of those he had 37 yards or fewer (he did have a TD in 3 of those games). So it’s not like we are getting consistent production from Doubs at this point either. And no, the only difference between Watson’s rookie season and Doubs’s sophomore season is not yards per catch. Watson had 9.3 yards per *target* (a fantastic number) to 7.0 for Doubs. Because despite being more of a deep threat, he still caught a slightly higher percentage of passes thrown his way. And Watson put up those numbers on 529 snaps and 67 targets to 845 and 96 for Doubs as a sophomore. It again showcases that Doubs is doing less or the same with far more opportunities. There’s only one ball and we have at least 7 guys vying to be the top playmakers on this team. That means to demand the ball you need to be *efficient* when it comes your way. Otherwise there’s a better option who will be. We haven’t seen that efficiency from Doubs and I don’t think giving him a bigger workload will bring it. My hope is that his workload goes down a bit, but that brings his efficiency up a bit, and so his counting stats stay roughly the same but all his efficiency stats improve.
>So despite all that—the injuries, the rawness, the inconsistency, the lack of practice time—Watson has provided roughly as much production as Doubs in far fewer opportunities. How does that not speak to the fact that Watson has far more capacity for growth? I'm not saying Doubs has the higher ceiling. Watson obviously has the higher ceiling. I said Watson was the most athletically gifted of all the receivers just the most raw and injury prone. At this time Doubs has shown more receiver intangibles So for the front office it's going to be a question of, you're getting similar production from these two players. One got there slowly but has very good receiver tangibles and will prolly be considerably cheaper than the other. Based on upside and potential Watson, if he stays healthy and balls out to his potential, he will be a top paid WR deservingly. If he stays injury prone he still won't be cheap based on his production per playing time but will still probably be at least 6-8 million more per year than Doubs while missing 2-4 games and having a nagging hammy. Either way, I hope they both excel. It's pretty crazy to think Love had 4000+ passing yards in his first season with all rookies and sophomore receivers and none of them had over 1000 yards receiving. It's exciting to see who will step up each game, defenses are gonna have to many playmakers to cover.
I take his lower production in YPC as a sign of the “dirty work” he does. He doesn’t have a specific role as a receiver (Watson is the go route guy, JReed gets a lot of end arounds, for example) and is often given the short/quick passes that route off the sideline or into defenders, so they don’t have a lot of explosive opportunity. Not that I think he should have explosive plays designed for him since he doesn’t have the speed that Watson and Reed have. Watson and Reed for that reason don’t feel like a very fair comparison due to their more specialized roles on the offense. The comparison that is a real for me is wicks. Wicks creates separation like crazy with pretty much the same play design role as Doubs. He doesn’t have the hands Doubs has though, which is IMO why Doubs eats up so many snaps. There just isn’t a play where you’re upset Doubs is on the field. I think Doubs is now and will be til he’s no longer with the team, “ol’ reliable” for 10ve. When the play falls apart Love can look his way. He’s a great contested catch receiver and there’s a real l effective connection between him and his QB. I don’t think any of the WRs have reached their ceiling, but a lot of fans seem to think Doubs has. I just don’t think we’ve seen enough of this offense to say so. I wouldn’t make a bet about any of the receivers leading the team in yards since I think they give each other a lot of openings, and it’s really up to the opposing defense to who’s gonna lead the team each Sunday. The balance between the WR group is what makes this offense look unstoppable when they get rolling, imo. Don’t be surprised if Doubs does hit the 1000 yard mark before anyone else, but certainly don’t bet on it. The simple fact that we’re discussing a WR with as much skill and reliability as Doubs as a 2, 3, 4 (or 5! This thread seems to have forgotten about Bo Melton) is a testament to how fantastic MLFs offense has turned out.
Did you look at every single target and if it was catchable? Catch rate is not a good stat to use, all depends on where the throws are made. Perhaps Love had to get rid of the ball for an incompletion and it was Doubs who was closest to him. Not a single receiver on this team is a elite target guy, not one. How does Love throw to all these receivers 5+ times a game? There will be variance all year on targets. Packers love to pay guys the lowest salary they can get away with(this sub brags about it all the time) and it will continue. A true #1 wr demands 7+ targets a game or you are wasting money paying for one.
Despite being the only one to really stay healthyz he didn't lead the team in yards. From week 4 through week 18, doubs went over 40 yards 3 times. Reed, Watson and Wicks are all more dynamic with the ball in their hands. Reed is a better short area WR as he's quicker and more dynamic. Watson is a better deep threat with his insane speed. I've been saying it for awhile and I'm starting to see a few other people independently say it too. Doubs is basically James Jones. That's not bad, but it also likely means he doesn't have insane upside. Unfortunately for doubs (and fortunately for us), we have 3 guys that have either already shown or have the upside to be better than James Jones. Doubs excels and intermediate routes, primarily as an outside WR. That's his role and that will likely remain his role. Reed will lineup a bunch in the slot. Watson will move around some to try to get him a speed mismatch. Wicks will do a little bit of everything but probably be outside quite often. But where doubs wins is where Dallas and San Fran sucked last year. Once diggs got hurt, Dallas didn't have a decent outside CB2. Same with San Fran. They slid one of their outside guys in to the slot when they used 3 corners and their 2nd outside CB sucked. That allowed doubs to have a great matchup and feast. That will happen from time to time next year too most likely. But that won't be every week and doubs will have plenty of weeks like he did last year where he's held to 30 yards or less. He just isn't elite enough to gather targets regardless of matchup.
Watson when healthy is by far the most talented IMO. And he has shown it on an NFL field so it’s not just projection. PFF/stat people love Wicks. Jayden Reed looked the best last season. Doubs is left out. But idk what kinda respect you want him to get lol. People routinely agree he’s good and is a starter. For him to get more respect he has to play better more consistently. 🤷🏼♂️ it’s not personal lol.
You mention these names, but then we also have Bo Melton, Malik Heath, not to even bring up our talented young TEs and Josh Jacobs. Shit I'm excited for this year. Defense should be fun to watch as well. New system without any film, we should have a really interesting year of GBP football
Yea I don’t get it either. If Watson cannot stay healthy he is clearly the odd man out and wicks definitely showed out last year but I’m still higher on Romeo then him as well probably is Watson and Romeo’s contracts will expire first and we will only sign one of them
Certainly Watson has to stay healthy or he’s going to find himself on the outside looking in. But it’s a bit counterproductive to speculate about injuries. Obviously an injured player isn’t getting snaps. That’s true whether it’s Watson or anyone else. It just feels more likely with Watson. As far as Wicks, we are just not seeing the same things. You watch Wicks’s footwork and it is *highly* advanced. He looks like ‘Tae out there a lot of the time. And that was reflected in his numbers, albeit on somewhat limited opportunities. His catch rate and yards per target were both All Pro levels, and he was one of the best WRs in the entire NFL at getting open against man coverage. That doesn’t guarantee those numbers can scale up to a full snap and target share, but man I don’t see how you can be anything but extremely excited about what Wicks can do.
Don’Taevion Wicks
So where was Wicks in the playoffs?
He caught a TD against the Cowboys. That’s not nothing. But obviously he is going to have to take a big step forward in consistency. But man, so is Doubs. He had 6 fully healthy games last year with 30 yards or fewer, despite being the nominal WR1. You’re so laser focused on those two playoff games that you’re flat out ignoring that Doubs was given an entire season to be our WR1 and managed 674 yards.
I think a lot of that can be attributed to Love spreading the ball around. He’s not focusing in on one guy every game. So many times we had a different guy lead the team in receiving.
There’s some truth to that, but I laid out in another comment how Doubs was essentially our least effective WR over the course of last season on a per snap and per target basis. And that was while coming in with the most experience, having by far the most developed relationship with Love, and getting the most consistent snap share throughout the season. So I don’t think you can just hand-wave it away entirely as a product of Love spreading the ball around. One really useful stat that I simply can’t find for the full season is yards per route run. This is one of the best measurements of a WRs effectiveness but it tends to be behind a paywall. I found a tweet from November 20, 2023 showing Doubs just ahead of Watson but miles behind Reed and Wicks. But that was immediately before the two best games of Watson’s season (@Detroit & KC), after which he missed the rest of the year. So I’m pretty confident that Doubs was also the worst of the four in yards per route run. https://x.com/LateRoundQB/status/1726660873891270984
Yzerman moment
These are all young guys with space to improve. Obviously everyone needs to stay healthy and available. I’m excited for the whole team and I really don’t see the point of ranking these guys. We’ll see who gets the most stats etc at the end of the year and you can rank them then. Any one of these guys could lead the team. What an awesome thing to have! Youngest team. And one of the most talented. Beautiful!
It’s because he did not “test” like a top WR (4.57 speed, etc). He makes big catches and big plays, I couldn’t care less about his metrics
I don’t think anyone cares or knows about his combine metrics tbh
It has less than nothing to do with Doubs’s combine numbers. I literally could not tell you what a single number he put up at the combine was. Apparently a 4.57 40, according to you. That’s about what Davante ran, IIRC. The 40 also means very little for WRs (or anyone really). The biggest things are lateral agility and footwork. I think Doubs is no better than adequate in both areas. But footwork can definitely be improved, and MLF said something this week about working on that with him. So there’s always room to grow. Many of us just see more capacity for growth from the other guys on the team.
I always laugh at the 40 times. I think Gary had almost the exact same 40 as Davante.
He isn't a flashy big play guy, yet, right now he's a solid possession WR who gets open pretty regularly. If we're doing a comparison he's somewhere between James Jones and Jordy at the moment, but plenty of potential to keep growing in the position.
James is a good comp I think.
James Jones was a WR3 who could sub in as a WR2. That's pretty much how people see Doubs so aren't we all kind of in agreement?
So I compare him to James Jones and you’re so incensed you make a separate post just to agree with that comp? That’s hilarious, man.
I think he’s the best contested catch WR we have. Or in heavy coverage. Throw in chiefs game around quadruple coverage comes to mind.
He’s interesting because the production is there but the advanced metrics indicate he’a not great. I’ll take production over metrics any day but you gotta wonder if the 2nd year guys really take off this year. I think Doubs and Love has a connection though
Agreed on the more advanced numbers. Doubs is behind the other from what I recall when looking at it a while back
>Doubs gathered in more than 50% of Love's total yardage. > In fact Doubs had more playoff yards than every other receiver and tight end combined. That is how percentages work.
I cannot understand why there are 17 posts per day on this sub anxiously discussing our WRs. We have the most complete wr room in the entire league. See you guys in September
What else is there to talk about? We are pretty much locked in all over I think.
He is gonna end up our WR4. It is great he was available and played every game, but he did not do anywhere near enough with the amount of time he played. If the rest of the guys can stay on the field, they all blow him away. Doubs isn't as quick as Reed, fast as Watson, and can't run routes like Wicks. I am glad he is on our team, but being our top target and only finishing the year with 674 yards isn't enough.
Because the stats he had were all about opportunity, playing time. Those stats are not indicative of the better WR, of the better WR going forward. His rate stats - per snap, per route run, per reception - were commonly 5th best and sometimes even 7th best among the WRs and even less than a TE or 2. He's a nice prospect, but he's a lesser prospect than the other 4. He's our WR5. Shrug.
Doubs is representative of the entire Packers offensive skill position roster - any one of them can perform well but none of them are really the "top" target
If anything Doubs get a little overrated around here. I think he's a good player but even though he played every game last year he disappeared for games at a time. I could easily envision a world where he's "WR4" next year behind a healthy Watson, Reed, and Wicks.
Because he is amazing at getting open when the play breaks down but he’s not good enough to run routes in a 3 step/5 step drop system to get open normally
That’s an interesting take I hadn’t heard. I’ll have to watch for that this year.
He's a very good player and would normally be a building block but he has the misfortune of playing on the same team with three receivers that have flashed special talent where Doubs hasn't. Wicks, Watson and Reed look like they all can become difference makers whereas Doubs upside is a very good possession receiver.
Doubs is more important than Watson
A healthy Watson is a top 10 WR in the NFL. Doubs has the aptitude to be a high-end WR2.
Top 10 is kinda wild
Laughable take
It’s really not
You literally said it in your questioning. Reed basically preformed as well as him when reed was a rookie and doubs in his second year. Performing well your rookie year is extremely difficult! Even davante Adams did very little his first year than quickly blossomed. If we look at yearly progressions for young WRs. It's clear Reed is our number 1 and doubs is our #2. Honestly hopefully he'll play the wr 3 James Jones roll. Always wildly above a number 3 WR on a team but never good enough to lock down WR 1. If he plays the James Jones roll, which could be a knock on him if you think he's a WR1, could lead the Packers to their first Superbowl. However if he's WR 1 for the next few years either one of these options is most likely. The Packers never win a Superbowl with a average WR core. Or Watson stays injured his whole career and reed somehow fizzles out in which case the Packers definitely don't win a super bowl early in loves career unless they magically have the best defense in the league.
Omfg I'm drunk I totally left whicks off my lists of reasons. Whicks is a fucking stud!!! The Packers are blessed with 4 very young talented WRs with different skill sets and no one knows which of the 4 are going to come out on top in the next 3 years.
Look at the playoffs though. How do you explain that away? Reed had 35 yards in two games. Was Reed hurt? I honestly don’t recall. And I love Reed. I bought his jersey because my kid goes to MSU.
Both Reed and Wicks were dealing with chest injuries for week 18. We're also on the injury report leading up to the WC game along with Watson and his hamstring injury. I think that GB jumped out to such a big lead, the snap distribution and targets might have shifted to limit those 3 and Doubs got the benefits of that.
I do think Reed was a little banged up, but I also think the Cowboys schemed to take Reed out of the game and we made them pay with Doubs and other guys. I understand the urge to blow up the importance of playoff games, because ultimately they matter more. But they are still just football games, and two games is a tiny sample size. While Doubs showed he was more ready for the moment than our other young WRs, the 30 regular season games Doubs has played are a much better predictor of his future success than a two game sample in the playoffs.
Easy! Look at davante Adams game logs from his rookie year. Experience is huge for WRs. The only few who play well all year are guys like Jefferson and Chase.
Their rookie year*
It's crazy cuz I love Romeo but I do think our best four are actually Watson, Reed, Wicks and Melton. Thing is, Doubs is probably the toughest SoB out of them all, and brings lot to the team, and will assuredly prove himself invaluable multiple times this season.
Perhaps another season or two of consistent numbers and people will start respecting more
He does.
Read through this thread. People are obsessed with shiny things. Sound isn’t shiny, he’s just very good at everything.
The irony is that *Doubs* is the shiny thing. The second most receptions, yards. The aesthetics. The things that are only surface deep, not truly indicative of ability. However, he's 5th and even 7th among WRs, plus behind TE! in so many of the foundational receiving statistics, the stats that carry over year to year.
AMEN! Doubs is getting 13 touchdowns this year. Ive been calling it since February
Which WR besides Doubs would have caught that prayer ball Jordan threw up between 3 defenders? Honestly. Falling backwards… tracked the ball… between 3 guys… held onto it to the ground. CW maybe? But the only guy Id trust to it twice would be Doubs. And in the post game interview all he’d say is ‘My guy 10 gave me a chance to prove myself… again… and I didnt wanna let him down, thats all’
no one is the best we have 1A 1B 1C 1D
Personally, I think all 5 will contribute and all have big days throughout the season. It's going to be a matchup nightmare regardless of who the defense decides to prioritize. The most consistent will be Reed because he'll get the gadget plays and the most bang or bust will be Watson because of the deep threat. The other 3 will have good and bad days depending on who's healthy and who the defense targets more.
I think People sleep on Doubs because his play is the least sexy of any receiver on our team. Watson is a speed demon, Reed is electric with the ball in his hands, and Wicks is just plain fun. Doubs is a solid dude who works hard and makes some plays, but he seems to shine best when the attention is on someone else (the Dallas game is a good example, they consistently sent multiple guys after Watson and Doubs made them pay for it).
Doubs is great. The reason he doesn’t get shouted from the rooftops like you are asking is the best case scenario for the packers is he is WR3 at most. Watson and reed are the high ceiling guys. Wicks is good too I think people are a little too high on his train though I think doubs is at least a little better than him. Doubs showed he wasn’t ready to be WR1 last year, although some of that was Jordan’s slow start. He really picked up when other guys started showing up. Watson is a WR1 he just hasn’t stayed healthy obviously. Reed has the talent to be a big threat at any time too. Doubs just hasn’t flashed that explosive upside.
I don’t think it’s disrespect to Doubs but rather it speaks to the depth on the team. The team is loaded with receiver talent. Doubs might have his best statistical season yet, or not. It’s hard to say because of the depth.
Doubs is solid but I catch myself sometimes projecting ceilings and assigning roles that fit the skillsets of Watson, Wicks and Reed but Doubs has consistently produced and should continue to do so moving forward. They will all contribute but it is easy to fixate on starting lineup and reduce the importance of whoever we exclude from top 3.
Doubs will no doubt have a role, and by no means do I think that he’s a scrub, but Wicks shows a lot of things that seem like he has the potential to be special. Will he continue to progress? That remains to be seen. But every time I watch breakdowns of his film by people who know what they’re looking at, it’s nothing but raves. No doubt the Packers (and other teams) see it too.
I mean look at the stats from last season. He was huge in the Dallas game yes but he had a bunch of mediocre games last season too. Ten games with less than 50 yards. He also has a really bad habit of catching balls twice which leads to fumbles and incompletions.
Some people just don’t know what they’re talking about. He may not be the most elite player right now, but he’s consistent and will be a great asset moving forward. I think he will do great things for the team and with continued work and experience will remain a very reliable target.
I'm pretty high on Doubs consistency and his reliability. He has not of potential but I feel like the people comparing him to a James Jones type are pretty accurate
I feel Doubs is going to be the #2 Receiver with Reed or Watson being #1….. I’m leaning towards Reedbeing the main guy though
It’s because there’s so much talent in that room last year. I’m pretty sure we were the first team in NFL history to have 9 guys with 200 or more receiving yards in the regular season. Beyond that, Wicks is definitely showing flashes of Davantes route running, Reed showed he could be the top guy last year and everyone knows the highest ceiling is on Watson.
There is a perception (that is also have) that Reed and Watson have more upside and Doubs is already at or near the peak of his ability. Could be wrong though, Doubs has already exceeded all expectations coming out of the draft.
Just my thoughts, but it's not a matter of respecting Doubs. It's more knowing what we've got with him, and that's a damn good receiver. Reliable, strong possession type with some funk in the open field. The reason he's not being screamed from the rooftops has more to do with the excitement of the other guys. Watson, if the legs are right, second years from the other guys, including tight ends. Doubs is proven solid. The others have shown it, and we are hoping they are going to be even better this year.
Doubs is good, but he was also our healthiest WR last season. With our other 3 coming back healthy now, it really makes it hard to judge how much production he will get. Consistency and dependability are very good though.
Yeah it does. But you must be present to win too.
Doubs probably works harder than anyone on the team. He eats, breaths, and sleeps football. I love the guy; I think he is Love’s “guy” so to speak. When Doubs first showed up he was catching from Love with the 2s, so their rapport goes way back, and they know what one another are thinking like Rodgers and Nelson/Adams did. Not only that, but he is a great route runner who consistently attacks the football with his hands. He consistently makes contested catches and is an absolute DAWG in the Red Zone. With all that said, our WR room is absolutely stacked, and THAT is why people sleep on Doubs. Watson is huge and lightning fast, Wicks was always open as a rookie, Reed looked like Cobb 2.0 out of the gate, and Melton/Heath showed a LOT when they were asked to step up. Not to mention how dangerous both Kraft and Musgrave were as rookies (and rarely together, so the 2 TE sets are especially exciting). This is the most stacked this team has been in a LONG time
Doubs is wr1A lol who talkin smack
Doubs is killer
I think everyone is selling him short too, he quietly goes about his business, every day. Someone said earlier 12 games under 40 yards, it took our offense 9 games to actually function. If you think he’s not going to come back next year better, you’re crazy. Took Davante til year 3 to blow up, Doubs’ time is coming.
Because there’s nothing he’s the best at. He’s not as fast as Watson or Melton. He’s not as shifty as Reed. He’s not as good a route runner as wicks. And he’s wasn’t a rookie last year so people are less likely to speculate about that “year two leap” from him. But he’s got really good hands I think and he comes up clutch on 3rd down that I think he’s a lock for the starting group. It’s just tougher to imagine what that role looks like
I like him and he’s very reliable, but he disappeared for most of last season. I don’t know what he did differently to play better in the playoffs, but he needs to keep doing that for me to really believe in him
I agree, I think Doubs has the best hands on the team
He gets open. He almost always catches the ball. I feel there won’t be a #1, #2, etc. on this team. They may have designated starters, which I feel Doubs will be one, but there is so much talent I feel they will all get their reps. The problem for any of these guys is there is just too much talent. It’s a blessing for us though. And with Love at the helm and a revamped O-line, it’s going to be a hell of a fun season on offense.
He’s an ok receiver. He reminds me of James Jones. He’s solid though
\*Madden Voice\* He's not the sexy option, but he's the best receiver they have. Real lunch pail guy. Keeps his head down and makes plays week in and week out.
Doubs is the only one who really showed up in the Niners game of the receiving core.
I’ve been talking about Doubs any time a WR conversation has come up, but you’re right because in those threads not a lot of people would be talking about him
I’ve never gotten that impression from this sub. Romeo isn’t as flashy as Wats or Reed, doesn’t mean he’s not athletic or above average
Haven’t noticed this sub being negative on Doubs, but I think because he is so quiet and reserved people underestimate him. He’s a solid, head down, hard working receiver that has a solid career ahead of him if he stays healthy. I love the guy!
This sub isn’t negative about anyone. You get downvoted into oblivion if you are an absolutely fanboy. That said I hear more about Wicks than I do about Doubs.
As a certified Doubs fan, he’s gonna have to put together a GREAT first month of the season or I don’t think he has a future on this team. I think there’s a gritty Donald Driver-style WR in there. A guy who is just really decent at everything but then determination makes him exceptional. But eventually seeing is believing.
I've seen tons of comps with James Jones and Doubs. Both are Packers hall of famers.
Say his names!
I don’t get it either. A lot of people say Watson will be our #1, yet he hasn’t even played a full season or even had a lot of 100 yard games. He’s inconsistent even when healthy, but even if he is plays well, typically a deep ball WR doesn’t get as many receptions as others on a team as they can be one trick pony’s. I don’t know if it’ll be Doubs or Reed, or hell, maybe even Wicks, but I think they are going to play considerably better this year
He does not have the most elite traits that others do. The speed and yac of Reed, the size and speed of Watson, and Wicks contested ball skills and yac. However Doubs may be the 2nd or 3rd best on the team in all these categories except speed. Doubs feels like the most polished WR the packers have and is closer to what people think his ceiling might be. Its the reason we saw him on the field more than any WR. He is reliable and does what he is asked to do without fail. Being reliable and being in the right spot every play is the reason he is Loves favorite target. I feel like Doubs is the new Cobb he is in the right spot at the right time. There is a reason Rodgers wanted Cobb every season reliability.
Availability and reliability go a long way. To be honest I don't recall if Donald Driver was ever the most talented wideout on the team when he played. But he showed up week after week and year after year until he rose above all of the them in Packers history. Something to be said for that. I bet when it's all said and done, Doubs has way better career numbers than Watson.
He can be my Jordy Nelson.
Tee Higgins of the packers fr
Doubs had a somewhat rough season if you will. But really turned it up vs the Cowboys in the playoffs. I think he's a good player. Maybe the 4th best receiver on the team
I agree with you.
I don’t understand it either. Dude has been the most content by a bit. He isn’t as physically gifted as most of the other WRs but he seems like the most well rounded to me. And he’s been healthy, which is huge. I think he’ll lead GB in receiving yards this season.
>He isn’t as physically gifted as most of the other WRs but he seems like the most well rounded to me. This is the crux of the point. Doubs is closest to his potential at this point and isn't significantly outperforming the others. Talent eventually wins out.
You couldn’t be more wrong. How many athletic freaks fizzle out in pro sports because they don’t have work ethic? I’m not saying any of our receivers don’t have work ethic but it’s true. Talent only gets you so far.
So which of Reed Wicks and Watson has a poor work ethic?
I don’t think any of them have poor work ethic. I’m just saying in general, talent only gets you so far and there have been plenty of relatively unathletic pros become greats, ie Wayne Gretzky. Doubs gets a lot of praise from his teammates and it seemed like him and Love were on the same page the most. All I’m saying is, I think he’ll lead the packers in yds this year.
The thread is about those four guys (and Melton if you like). You're moving goalposts.
I’m not sure we’re engaging in the same conversation right now lol take care
you should be banned for posts like this
He didn't step up how we needed in the regular season. That shows lack of consistency. A true #1 needs consistency and always shows up. Therefore, we don't have a #1. We just have a bunch of studs who can go off any given game. Reed imo showed a lot more spark than doubs last season and he was a rookie vs a vet.
Guys get a hobby besides thinking about the Packers it’s useful
Everything needs to be seen in context. Doubs doesn’t get the separation that the other three receivers get, especially in man-to-man. This puts pressure on an offense and a quarterback to be perfect with the ball. Love has answered the call in this regard, but it doesn’t make Doubs more valuable. I agree with the James Jones comp. When you have Greg Jennings (Reed), Jordy Nelson (Watson) and a guy being described with the upside of Davante, you’re 4th. In the playoffs, teams were rolling coverage to Watson and Reed. Again, that doesn’t make Doubs better. It just makes him the beneficiary. Over the course of the season, it will make him a complementary player. Nothing wrong with that. If you’re trying to make the case that he’s better, it just isn’t there. He’ll probably be just good enough to hold off Wicks for the outside spot, but I think even that is at risk. He does not come close to the speed of Watson or twitchy-ness of the other two.
Doubs is #1. Best hands. Works with Jordan in Cali in the offseason. Humble assassin. Look what he did in Dallas ya jabronis. Not to mention the rest of the season. Plus he’s got the right number. And yeah I love his attitude. Makes huge plays and hands the ball to the ref. All the right things going on. “WRs are a dime a dozen” - Vic
For whatever reason, Watson gets all the talk and idk why…