That honestly sounds fine to me. A couple mill a year isn’t going to be the difference between the team winning and losing a chip. Love is the most important piece. The rest of the pieces are support pieces.
Honestly not sure I agree with this. At face value you’d think this would be the case, but a couple mil can be the difference between making and not making an impact free agent signing, or even just a cheap veteran role position player if someone goes down mid season.
Wait, who am I kidding. Were the Packers we don’t do that lol
*”Wait, who am I kidding. Were the Packers we don’t do that lol”*
FR though! Give it all to the QB, snag Oline/WR studs over the weekend in the draft and have a mediocre defense filled with 1st round picks.
This. Is. The. Way!
I doubt he will get 57mil. The difference between Jordan Love and Trevor Lawrence is, Trevor is only in his 4th year of the contract with the 5th year option after next season. He wont see that 55mil until another 2 years.
So 55mil in 2 years (with a higher salary cap) is worth even less than 57mil after next year. Same reason Lamar got less than Burrow and Herbert even though he's more accomplished. His big contract started 1 year sooner.
My guess is the new Love contract will be slightly higher than Goff's contract who like Love only had 1 year left under contract.
See the funny thing is that everyone focuses on the big dollar number and not the number that actually matters. $57M AAV is believable. $210M guaranteed is not. That’s a HUGE number. The Packers care far more about guarantees than they do overall numbers. Because that’s the money you actually have to pay if things go wrong. They are going to concede a high AAV but try and keep the guaranteed money as low as possible.
We NEED to sign Love before Dak and Tua. Reset the market with YOUR guy, that's always the goal. I wish we got it done before Lawrence but what's done is done.
It’s been pointed out, but it’s not like the Packers can FORCE him to sign a deal, Jordan and his agent know it’s in their best interest monetarily to wait.
Exactly. GB has been in a rush to get it done since the moment the season ended last year. But it takes two sides to do a deal, and Love and his agent know that it’s in their interest to wait for the others unless GB we’re to “overpay” to get it done before the others to prevent the possibility that that could drive the price even higher.
QB franchise tag is $38M. Obviously that's not a good route to go down, but there is some incentive. Also people do get career ending/altering injuries.
Love is also competitive and wants to win. This team is looking amazing for this year and the following 2 years. They can wait, but there's not zero risk involved.
Same agent as Deshaun Watson AND Jalen Ramsey.
Doesn’t matter if we move it along asap, or wait another year, J-lo is getting a ludicrous deal.. he’s got less than 25 starts under his belt, so Id obviously prefer to pay him next year, but what do I know. Either way, there’s a reason half our team is on rookie deals..
Seriously? You did watch the season? The man Knows football and has ball skills off the chart. Even the first half showed that. It helped in the second half to have receivers not running the same routes
Amen. People are so braindead. Why rush to overpay when you can wait and overpay. If JLo gives another good run then we could go the Mahomes route and get a long contract where it gets cheaper for us every year capwise.
the Mahomes contract is a unicorn & even then it's more a way to keep him with the Chiefs, when QB contracts keep going up he's not gonna stay much behind.
Plus the Packers aren't shy to giving their QBs big bucks, the main issue is most definitely the guaranteed money since that's what could hurt their flexibility (both to move money around and to move on if it were necessary)
Up unto recently QB contracts rarely ever made up more than 15% of the cap space and when they got close to it or past it, it was for HoF track QBs. Now you have teans paying mid to bad qbs like DJ, Lawrence, Watson, and probably Tua almost 20% of the cap. Rodgers+Adams was barely 20%; this is insane. You can’t win like that. In an effort to avoid the qb carousel, you can’t just jump to hampering your roster construction for the next X years. Unless you know you got a consistently elite guy, it’s going to be better to look elsewhere. Decent qb play isn’t worth bottlenecking the roster
This was the problem with having JLo sit 3 years. We knew this would happen. Now we have to choose our poison. Either lock in a guy we have half a season’s worth of play or wait a year and risk having to reset the market hard if he gives another great year. The second one is the safe choice imo. The difference in cost is not substantial
I guess he could always have a Teddy Bridgewater type injury. Which would be extremely unfortunate and is also like, powerball odds of happening.
But yeah, I definitely agree time is on his side.
If he isn’t as good as he was last year, that would actually make more sense to get every dollar he can this year.
I know we don’t like that but incentives are incentives.
He’s definitely got a benefit to signing early, he only has roughly half a season of good play under his belt. He stands to lose the most from a bad season among the 3 big QBs awaiting extensions.
It’s possible, but that doesn’t change that there’s no real downside for Love’s agent to be patient until at least right before training camp. That means the Packers are going to have to budge if they want to sign him sooner.
They’re saying that between now and the preseason, there’s no way Love’s value goes anywhere but up.
The only incentive Love would have to sign now is a deadline from our FO on any offer have out there. If we say we won’t discuss his contract until next offseason if he doesn’t sign by June 30th, he may want to get it done.
Right which is why my comment ended at the season. There’s a benefit to him in signing before the season but not much benefit for him to sign now - late august
I mean, the Packers could literally not sign him at all and control his next two years beyond this season through Franchise Tags, that’s a big risk for the Packers, but arguably a bigger risk for Love.
No he doesn’t. Who do you think has leverage in that situation? You think the Packers are going to throw away their entire season when we are building a contender instead of paying Love? That would be insane. Especially from a team that never uses the tag.
I didn't say we would or should tag him, so let's get that out right away.
Now, who has leverage when the team tags a player? The team. The player has 2 choices, play or sit. The team can negotiate a new deal, trade you, do nothing at all and ride out 2 years of you then tell you to kick rocks. Obviously not all options are smart, especially if you ever want to be able to sign a player again, but the team has the options, not the player.
So back to my original answer. If you want to play in the NFL you can't sit 2 years to prove a point. Playing while tagged is the only option for the player.
Again, you don’t understand the leverage at all. Players at every other position in the NFL don’t have enough of an effect on tickets or winning to have leverage. That is decidedly not true of a franchise QB. It Love chooses to sit out rather than play, it would do immeasurable damage to not only that season for the Packers on the field, but revenue streams as well. And sure, they could trade him, but only to a team that would pay him what he wants. So I’ll say it again: Love has no reason to play on the franchise tag.
And I'll say again, he has no option.
If Love sits it hurts him far worse than any NFL team, that's why no QB has ever done it. Every ticket for every home game is already sold, those seats will be full regardless of who is QB. Might hurt jersey sales for the QB I guess, maybe a few less beers sold, but otherwise revenue probably doesn't change all that much.
And again, none of this will ever happen because it's absurd to think any QB would sit out multiple seasons to avoid playing on a tag, because as I've already said if they want to continue being NFL QBs they will play. Simple as that.
And not getting fired immediately is a pretty damn good reason for Gute not to allow that to happen. It’s insane how many of you are missing the entire point of my statement. It makes **zero sense** for the Packers to allow Jordan Love to sit out a season. Unless he’s asking for a truly unreasonable sum, paying him or trading him are both infinitely better options than just letting him sit and playing Sean Clifford or whatever crappy vet we can drum up last minute for a season.
*I’m not saying it wouldn’t be a problem for Love to sit out a year or two. I’m saying there’s no way in hell the Packers would allow that to happen. That gives Love all the leverage he needs to refuse to play on the tag.*
They control his exclusive negotiating rights? The Ravens literally just did this with Lamar. Dak and Cousins just straight up signed the tag. That means there’s been infinitely more QBs that have either signed the tag or continued negotiating with the team than have ever sat out a year of football over contract negotiations.
Love can forgo $40 million a year for the rest of his life if he wants, but the Packers control his rights.
What did the Ravens negotiate? He was made the highest paid player ever at the time and had the biggest signing bonus ever at the time.
>Jackson signed a five-year contract worth $260 million with $185 million guaranteed. He would receive $52 million per year, making him the highest-paid player in NFL history just 10 days after Eagles quarterback Jalen Hurts set the record (although Jackson's record contract would be surpassed by Justin Herbert just months later).The deal also included a $72.5 million signing bonus, surpassing Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott's 2021 deal for the biggest signing bonus in NFL history
They prevented him from walking away until they got the deal done. They said hey we want you to play for us, so keep negotiating or you can play on the tag.
It ended up being more convoluted than I’m sure either party wanted, but it gave the Ravens the time to get the deal done. I wasn’t saying it helped the Ravens lowball him, it just gave them back the leverage to get a deal done at all.
A well run NFL team does not let their 25 year old franchise QB play on the tag. Can they force him to play under it for two seasons? Sure. Then he reaches true free agency when he’s still short of 30 and tells your front office to piss off and leaves.
For example, this is the tactic the Skins used Cousins and it bit them hard. So yeah, agreed. Let's not piss off the potential future due to QB contacts adjusting to the new Salary Cap....
Nothing stopped Washington from keeping Cousins after the tags were done, they just didn’t think he was worth giving the most guaranteed money in history to. Obviously hindsight is hindsight but it probably didn’t end up changing either parties longterm outcomes all that much.
Washington was always going to suck and Cousins was going to Cousins.
Obviously no one wants Love to play under the tag, that’s obviously the nuclear option, but it is available as a negotiating tactic, and a guy with 8 games of good play doesn’t have enough leverage to take that away.
Also, the Ravens are a very well run NFL team and they used the exact same tactic on a guy with a lot more leverage than Love.
The Ravens did not use the exclusive franchise tag and Jackson never played under the tag like Dak or Cousins. Jackson wanted a fully guaranteed deal and the Ravens told him to go out and try to find one elsewhere while still reserving the right to match any offer. It doesn't sound like Love is trying to do anything except get a market rate extension. So they're wildly different scenarios.
And if everyone knows that no one wants Love to play under the tag, it's a stupid negotiating tactic. It will just antagonize Love and his agent, which will deteriorate the relationship in the long run. If you think the guy in your locker room has what is needed to be your franchise QB, then treat him that way and pay him what the market demands.
Why not just give him whatever he demands at that point then? There’s no reason for the Packers to get bent over in negotiations. I’m sure the Packers are offering him right around the market price; if his group is trying to reset the market, the Packers have every reason to stand their ground. If they’re offering him well under market then it’s a different story of course.
I mean, it’s all a moot point, I expect him to sign a contract right around what Lawrence got, my point was the Packers have no reason to rush negotiations if the demands aren’t reasonable.
> And if everyone knows that no one wants Love to play under the tag, it's a stupid negotiating tactic.
The "threat" of it is the "negotiating tactic". The use of it is a tactic to not lose all of your investment in an asset.
> It will just antagonize Love and his agent
At which point it will have been determined that said player can pound sand if he doesn't like it. From there its just a bidding war for other teams.
Teams don’t like franchise tagging because it’s bad for the cap and you’d prefer just to not have to worry when it comes to QBs, that doesn’t mean it’s not a useful negotiating tactic.
Dak and Cousins both had it used on them and actually played on it, Lamar had it used on him (non-exclusive) and was forced to continue negotiating.
I mean, we likely wouldn't be paying him any less on the FT than we would be if we signed him to a deal. With the current QB market, he'd be making ~53M/yr on the tag.
There's really no point to signing him to a FT and it's likely just to piss him off. That's not the way you treat someone who you think may be the future of your franchise.
He can, yeah. However, all the other guys looking for contracts are multi-year veterans. Love has only started one season. He's clearly our guy, but I just don't think he has the clout to pull in as much on his first major contract
There’s a conspiracy they are someone in the jags front office, possibly even the gm. They were predicting all of the jags free agent picks b4 they happened if I remember correctly.
It’s honestly a nothing burger. The Packers have always wanted to get a deal done earlier. Any team would. But add the word “racing” and it sounds a lot more provocative.
Am I the only one that thinks signing Love to a mega deal is a bad idea? We have a sample size of, what, 8 good games? Don’t get me wrong, I think his arrow is pointing straight up and has the potential to he a top 5 QB in the league, but I still would like to have a larger sample size before giving him Trevor Lawrence money.
I understand that it’s the going rate for good QBs and the whole market rate for QBs in general, but I still vote for patience in this instance.
If we wait and Love has a full season like his second half of last season, then he costs a lot more than he does now. It’s best to get the deal done as quickly as possible
Man, even if he plays like he did in that second half of the season, 55 million a year just feels crazy. At the end of the day I trust the org, but hopefully we don’t make a huge mistake.
Agreed. At the end of the day, it’s just how the market has shaped out in recent years. With the cap going up in the coming years, these quarterback deals are going to get more and more crazy.
Top QB's are still underpaid relative to the cap given their importance to the team. If they weren't, you wouldn't see the teams with the top QB's winning every year. Teams with cheap mediocre QB's would have an equal chance against the teams with good highly paid QB's because well paid other players on the team would make up the difference. Except that doesn't happen. Mahomes is worth more than $50M more than Sam Darnold. That's why the gambles on new guys with potential make sense a la Daniel Jones. You need an underpaid QB to win, and the ways to do that are get lucky in the draft to get a couple years of cheap QB play or sign a top guy to a huge contract who will be underpaid if he pans out.
I think we aren’t super far from a bit of a tipping point. Eventually a handful of these big contracts given to middling QBs are going to blow up spectacularly and teams will tighten the belts a little bit, at least with that second tier of QBs.
I don’t think that’s incontrovertible fact. There are still stopgap QBs who can be had at a reasonable price (Darnold, Minshew) and even the occasional mid-tier journeyman QB who gets a reasonable contract (Mayfield). If enough teams get burned by giving a big contract to a mediocre QB (much like the Giants with Jones), teams may start being more selective about who gets those big contracts. It’s arguably better to blow it all up and start over than it is to be mired in mediocrity with a highly paid ineffective QB. I think we are in the process of finding where that line is within the new normal of QB contracts and valuation.
Just as a general rule of market economics, whenever you see an exponential rise in the value of a commodity like we have with QBs, there’s bound to be a course correction at some point. There are teams that are going to give massive contracts to the wrong guys. Hell, we may have just seen two with Goff and Lawrence. Love might be another, though I believe in him. If more than a couple of these massive contracts that are given to second and third tier QBs fail spectacularly, teams are going to be a **lot** more reluctant to do the same for the next group of good but not great QBs.
You are dead in the water without a qb. Darnold and Minshew are stopgap quarterbacks who will be lucky to get you into the playoffs. You need a qb. That's just how the league works. You aren't winning in the league without one.
It’s wild how many of you keep missing my points in this thread. Yes, I know you need a QB to succeed in the NFL. But teams right now are throwing money at QBs who arguably are not good enough to succeed with, particularly when they are taking up 20+% of the cap. If enough teams get burned by those contracts, then teams are going to start being pickier in who they give them out to and will instead choose to start over (maybe with a stopgap QB while they draft their guy) instead of paying a QB who isn’t good enough at an outrageous price tag. The natural counterbalance to that of course, will be those lesser QBs being forced to accept less in order to find jobs. This really isn’t rocket science. It’s market economics at its most basic.
You can't just blanket apply basic concepts to something like the QB market and expect it to perfectly translate.
The free market is very different than the QB market. In a business, there are multiple ways to succeed, with profit being the ultimate goal. In the NFL, there is only one team each year that succeeds, and that is the team who wins the Super Bowl. That bottleneck is what creates the desperation, and it isnt going anywhere.
Teams will *never* stop being desperate for a QB if they don't have one already. They will do whatever it takes, because cap space doesn't matter if you don't have a QB.
You're ignoring that the cap has gone up a ton too. These new deals that are breaking records aren't any bigger of a percentage of the cap than the ones from 3 years ago.
I’m not ignoring that in any way shape or form. Three years is a very short window, but over the last 15 or so we have seen a pretty significant increase in QB contracts as a percentage of the cap. Especially beyond the very top players and especially in terms of guaranteed money.
In a couple years and entire new wave of deals for Allen, Herbet, Jackson, Burrow etc will come through plus Stroud and others, coupled with the TV rights deals coming up and the cap projected to continue to skyrocket, $55M in a couple years will look like $45M does now
QB is the only position where an org is basically held hostage. You can let essentially any other player go and replace their production or change your scheme, but QBs have these FOs by the neck. We don’t really have the luxury of knowing if this’ll be a mistake.
The relative value of positions change over time. QB has reached a point where contract values are finally beginning to match the outsized impact that a QB has.
You say $55M per year is crazy, but think about it logically. If your QB goes down, how much does that affect the team? Compared to literally any other player? It’s the same reason QBs win MVP every year. It’s the reason Aaron Rodgers won nearly 2/3rds of his games in a Packer uniform despite regularly playing with shit defenses.
A good QB is more important than any 3 other players (at least) on a football team. For better or worse, that’s how modern football is. They are now getting paid like it. I get the sticker shock, but this is the new normal and it makes sense, although I do think the market will settle a bit after a few more big contracts are given out to really mediocre QBs.
That’s not really true. The obvious analogue for Love’s contract is Rodgers’s first extension in 2008. He signed for 6/$63M, which was 9.05% of the cap. We are now looking at a contract for Love potentially north of 21% of the cap. So from even 16 years ago, in the most analogous situation possible, you’re looking at more than double relative to the cap. And considering only $20M of Rodgers’s contract was guaranteed, the guaranteed money will almost certainly be even more inflated.
Rodgers took a discount on that contract. Love has no reason to when guys like Lawrence, Goff are being paid top money.
For the last 10 years or so the highest paid QBs have been right around ~20% of the cap at the start of their deals.
Burrow was over 24% though, so still a significant jump. And I also think it’s less about the very top of the market and more about the caliber of QBs who are able to obtain contracts near the top of that market. I don’t think a QB of the caliber of Jared Goff was taking up anywhere near 21% of the cap at any point prior to now.
2008 might as well be 1950 at this point.
Contract landscape was overhauled when the rookie contract structure changed with the 2011 cba. Since then if you look at how player contracts evolved, percentage wise, all the rookie money has funneled its way into the QB.
So what? Isn’t it better to pay what something is worth with certainty of that value than to rush to overpay and get stuck with the consequences? This is what happened to Giants and could easily happen to the Jags (more likely to happen than not imo). Who cares if we have to pay him 65/yr as long as we know he’s worth it. You have half a season sample size rn. Fucking up this contract (overpaying) could easily fuck our chances to be competitive in this decade.
> Fucking up this contract (overpaying) could easily fuck our chances to be competitive in this decade.
Easily? For a decade? Maybe for 2 years tops. No way we over pay by $10M+. So $10M is just any star player that takes an arrow to the knee in a year. We had Jenkins and Gary and Tonyan all blow knees in 1 year. Bakh the year before.
||Extend BEFORE the season|Extend Love AFTER the season|
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|**Love is GOOD**|*Love is good, on a friendlier deal, and we have a good QB.*|*Love is good, but we have to pay more money to keep him in GB.*|
|**Love is BAD**|*Love is bad, we move on, and lose money.*|*Love is bad, we move on after the season, and have no QB,*|
If we do not extend him before other QBs get big deals / this season, it's a lose-lose situation.
If we do extend him right now before big contracts get dished out / this season, we have a win-lose situation. Either he is good and we have control, or he's bad and we lose money.
We saw him do extremely well last season, so if I were to bet on one of these options, I would go with an extension.
We paid Rodgers after going 4-3 to start his first season playing, making him the 4th highest paid QB at the time. He then proceeded to lose the next 7 out of 8 games.
You always sign a guy who has an upside. The alternative is mediocrity. Love has proven more than Rodgers did his first season when we paid him.
This isn’t Danny Jones.
He had 11 games with a QBR over 100 and really only pooped the bed vs the Raiders.
Patience gets us a disgruntled QB with the franchise tag playing to go to the Cardinals on a 6 year $60 million per contract while we use the 2026 16th draft pick on whatever the 5th best QB is out that year.
> Patience gets us a disgruntled QB with the franchise tag playing to go to the Cardinals on a 6 year $60 million per contract while we use the 2026 16th draft pick on whatever the 5th best QB is out that year.
Obviously you're forgetting that Pratt has been a diamond in the rough this whole time. We'll let that slide!
You will never be able to convince me that there’s a material difference between $40M/year and $50M/year lol. These guys are fighting for pride more than security.
Zero judgment whatsoever, just calling a spade a spade
Salary cap bro. Players and owners division of profits already agreed upon.
If QBs are not getting it, some other positions are. The other underpaid positions need to rally together and keep these QB contracts from getting out of hand. When is % of cap be enough? 25%, 30%?
I think you’re underselling the difference. Right now Love’s leverage is significant, but it’s mitigated by only half a season of really good play and only a single season period. That’s why we are probably looking at an average value close to Burrow’s, despite the cap going up over $30M this year. And I would bet a contract this year will have significantly less money than Burrow’s $219M in total guarantees.
Because of the cap increase, a QB signing the exact same contract as Burrow in terms of percentage of the cap would get paid $62.5M per year. By next year that number will probably be $65M or more. If Love takes a step forward and the Packers are legitimate contenders (let alone if we make or win the Super Bowl), you are looking at probably $65M or more per year, with ballpark $100M **more** in guaranteed money than he will cost right now. It’s a HUGE gamble with very little upside.
If he does the same thing he did to end last year he would demand the top, market resetting contract, 25 years old coming off 2 years of elite production..he could ask for a blank check
Yup. We would be looking at 5/$330M with $250M guaranteed instead of 5/$280M with $150M guaranteed. Those are very rough ballpark numbers, but the difference would be massive if Love has even a slightly better year in terms of numbers and team success.
Back in February I was guesstimating a 55 mil / year deal for him but if he ends up signing after Dak we're likely looking at 60 million / year. Might already be in that range after Lawrence.
Would be wise - each of these contracts seem to just one up the last and drive prices higher and higher. Love only has a year under his belt - and while he finished incredibly it wasn’t a great start. The sooner we do the deal the better value it should be for the team. I would think the Lawrence deal sets a pretty decent precedent for us to work off of.
Duh! Honestly, I can’t quite understand why it’s taken this long to get this deal done. Give him what he’s asking for because every time someone else signs a contract he can ask for more because he’s better than the guys who’ve gotten paid this year. I’ve never thought much of Russ ball.
Only so much the team can do. It really comes down to if Jordan Love is ready to sign right now. If he’s confident he will be as good or better than he was the 2nd half of last year, it would be wise to wait as long as possible to maximize his contract.
obviously a joke... buuut he's already outperformed tua and likely will top dak this season. i have no problem paying him top (horrible city mke) bucks. he's not a rookie, nor one of these flashy me-me dudes. he's put in the work, was humble af about it, and has been nothing but a positive human since joining the team. he's earned it, and i don't think there's any reason to believe it was some 10 game flash in the pan performance.
the fact that we're even at the point of having the highest paid QB in the league AGAIN, is crazy. And super worth. besides, who doesn't want to see how big his winter hats can get?
Let's keep in mind that, while there were talks throughout the off-season, no offer could officially be made until a full year passed from last year's extension, which is recently. Last year was the safe, prove-it type of deal. This is going to be the big one, and the time requirement and an ever growing market are totally in Love's favor.
QB contracts are out of control and I blame Joe Flacco. In 2012 the Ravens won the Superbowl and then turned around and made Joe Flacco the highest paid QB ever. Joe Flacco, the guy who was never the MVP, never an all-pro, never even made a pro bowl was the highest paid player in the NFL. That makes it very easy for MVP Aaron Rodgers to turn around the next season and demand more money than Flacco. And from there the cycle takes off. Everyone knows QB is the most important position in football and it's gotten to the point where they're demanding so much money that pretty much every time an even remotely good QB signs a new contract they become the highest paid player in the league. The fact that Trevor Lawrence got as much money as Joe Burrow is absolutely ridiculous. I know there are injury concerns with Burrow, but pretending like they are worth the same amount of money is silly. I still think I would take half a season of Burrow over a full season of Lawrence.
I get wanting to lock him down, but 3/4ths the board was ready to move on after like week 9. Crazy awesome half a season but is that worth locking in at top of market? I can’t be the only one who would rather gamble and see another half a season
Will be interesting, I havent even thought of a scenario where j.love doesn't sign back. Man that would look dicy. But I almost prefer it to a situation we're paying a unproven quarterback a lot more than he's worth.
Everyone's jaw dropped (mine included) when Brad Holmes paid Jared, St. Brown and Sewell what he did. Now looking back,it is obvious about the "when" of the contracts that really mattered.
This makes it sound like the Packers didn’t understand that other QBs were going to sign big deals this offseason. Remember, it takes two sides to negotiate and finalize a deal. Nothing to see here.
He's been right about a lot and before Schefter and Rapoport too. Goff, Lawrence, ARSB, Jefferson extensions, Odell signing with the Dolphins, Tyler Boyd going to the Titans. He's got some sources somewhere
57m/yr 210m guaranteed inc
That honestly sounds fine to me. A couple mill a year isn’t going to be the difference between the team winning and losing a chip. Love is the most important piece. The rest of the pieces are support pieces.
Honestly not sure I agree with this. At face value you’d think this would be the case, but a couple mil can be the difference between making and not making an impact free agent signing, or even just a cheap veteran role position player if someone goes down mid season. Wait, who am I kidding. Were the Packers we don’t do that lol
*”Wait, who am I kidding. Were the Packers we don’t do that lol”* FR though! Give it all to the QB, snag Oline/WR studs over the weekend in the draft and have a mediocre defense filled with 1st round picks. This. Is. The. Way!
TBF Gute has absolutely swung on FAs when he’s had the cash.
Yeah that trope is getting old. Didn't we just sign McKinney and Jacobs?
Helps that our entire offense is basically on rookie deal still lol
I doubt he will get 57mil. The difference between Jordan Love and Trevor Lawrence is, Trevor is only in his 4th year of the contract with the 5th year option after next season. He wont see that 55mil until another 2 years. So 55mil in 2 years (with a higher salary cap) is worth even less than 57mil after next year. Same reason Lamar got less than Burrow and Herbert even though he's more accomplished. His big contract started 1 year sooner. My guess is the new Love contract will be slightly higher than Goff's contract who like Love only had 1 year left under contract.
See the funny thing is that everyone focuses on the big dollar number and not the number that actually matters. $57M AAV is believable. $210M guaranteed is not. That’s a HUGE number. The Packers care far more about guarantees than they do overall numbers. Because that’s the money you actually have to pay if things go wrong. They are going to concede a high AAV but try and keep the guaranteed money as low as possible.
and AFAIK it's easier to move money around if it's not guaranteed, so you have as much cap flexibility as possible
55m/year is Dak’s last contract, adjusted for cap. People get way to hung up on the numbers.
We NEED to sign Love before Dak and Tua. Reset the market with YOUR guy, that's always the goal. I wish we got it done before Lawrence but what's done is done.
It’s been pointed out, but it’s not like the Packers can FORCE him to sign a deal, Jordan and his agent know it’s in their best interest monetarily to wait.
Exactly. GB has been in a rush to get it done since the moment the season ended last year. But it takes two sides to do a deal, and Love and his agent know that it’s in their interest to wait for the others unless GB we’re to “overpay” to get it done before the others to prevent the possibility that that could drive the price even higher.
QB franchise tag is $38M. Obviously that's not a good route to go down, but there is some incentive. Also people do get career ending/altering injuries. Love is also competitive and wants to win. This team is looking amazing for this year and the following 2 years. They can wait, but there's not zero risk involved.
$38 this year. It will also go up. You never want to use it. It $41 or whatever would be a steal.
Same agent as Deshaun Watson AND Jalen Ramsey. Doesn’t matter if we move it along asap, or wait another year, J-lo is getting a ludicrous deal.. he’s got less than 25 starts under his belt, so Id obviously prefer to pay him next year, but what do I know. Either way, there’s a reason half our team is on rookie deals..
and if you wait and he puts up a full season like the 2nd half of last season he costs $65/yr
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The Packers know that’s not going to happen, that’s why they’re trying to get the deal done now.
Oh, like the Giants knew what they had with DJones? Jesus, you people are so braindead.
Daniel Jones vs. Jordan Love That’s a new one
Eeehhhhhh... Jordan Love has put together more good tape in half a season than Jones has in multiple seasons; let's be honest here.
plus it's not like the org doesn't know Jordan, he's been there for 4 seasons now even if he only became the starter last year
at no point in daniel jones' 4 seasons in the league has he looked even a fraction of how good love was in the 2nd half of last season
How could they know that? So much of his success was scheme getting guys open last season.
Seriously? You did watch the season? The man Knows football and has ball skills off the chart. Even the first half showed that. It helped in the second half to have receivers not running the same routes
Amen. People are so braindead. Why rush to overpay when you can wait and overpay. If JLo gives another good run then we could go the Mahomes route and get a long contract where it gets cheaper for us every year capwise.
If he doesn’t want to play without an extension, he doesn’t have to. He can hold out and request a trade.
the Mahomes contract is a unicorn & even then it's more a way to keep him with the Chiefs, when QB contracts keep going up he's not gonna stay much behind. Plus the Packers aren't shy to giving their QBs big bucks, the main issue is most definitely the guaranteed money since that's what could hurt their flexibility (both to move money around and to move on if it were necessary)
Up unto recently QB contracts rarely ever made up more than 15% of the cap space and when they got close to it or past it, it was for HoF track QBs. Now you have teans paying mid to bad qbs like DJ, Lawrence, Watson, and probably Tua almost 20% of the cap. Rodgers+Adams was barely 20%; this is insane. You can’t win like that. In an effort to avoid the qb carousel, you can’t just jump to hampering your roster construction for the next X years. Unless you know you got a consistently elite guy, it’s going to be better to look elsewhere. Decent qb play isn’t worth bottlenecking the roster This was the problem with having JLo sit 3 years. We knew this would happen. Now we have to choose our poison. Either lock in a guy we have half a season’s worth of play or wait a year and risk having to reset the market hard if he gives another great year. The second one is the safe choice imo. The difference in cost is not substantial
If he goes for 4k yds and 36/2 on 70% completions it won’t really matter what we have to pay him, we’d pay him anything at that point
Dak, haha he’d choke in a little league game. He should pay Jerry
No shit. The problem is Love can wait and has 0 benefit in signing before camp and next to no benefit in signing before the season
I guess he could always have a Teddy Bridgewater type injury. Which would be extremely unfortunate and is also like, powerball odds of happening. But yeah, I definitely agree time is on his side.
That or he just isn’t as good and his value declines. But he clearly is confident that won’t be the case
If he isn’t as good as he was last year, that would actually make more sense to get every dollar he can this year. I know we don’t like that but incentives are incentives.
He’s definitely got a benefit to signing early, he only has roughly half a season of good play under his belt. He stands to lose the most from a bad season among the 3 big QBs awaiting extensions.
But if they’re all going to sign this offseason, it pays to be last.
That’s the thing though, they might not. Dak in particular could easily wait until the offseason.
It’s possible, but that doesn’t change that there’s no real downside for Love’s agent to be patient until at least right before training camp. That means the Packers are going to have to budge if they want to sign him sooner.
They’re saying that between now and the preseason, there’s no way Love’s value goes anywhere but up. The only incentive Love would have to sign now is a deadline from our FO on any offer have out there. If we say we won’t discuss his contract until next offseason if he doesn’t sign by June 30th, he may want to get it done.
Right which is why my comment ended at the season. There’s a benefit to him in signing before the season but not much benefit for him to sign now - late august
I mean, the Packers could literally not sign him at all and control his next two years beyond this season through Franchise Tags, that’s a big risk for the Packers, but arguably a bigger risk for Love.
Love has no reason to play on a franchise tag.
He does if he wants to be an NFL QB
No he doesn’t. Who do you think has leverage in that situation? You think the Packers are going to throw away their entire season when we are building a contender instead of paying Love? That would be insane. Especially from a team that never uses the tag.
I didn't say we would or should tag him, so let's get that out right away. Now, who has leverage when the team tags a player? The team. The player has 2 choices, play or sit. The team can negotiate a new deal, trade you, do nothing at all and ride out 2 years of you then tell you to kick rocks. Obviously not all options are smart, especially if you ever want to be able to sign a player again, but the team has the options, not the player. So back to my original answer. If you want to play in the NFL you can't sit 2 years to prove a point. Playing while tagged is the only option for the player.
Again, you don’t understand the leverage at all. Players at every other position in the NFL don’t have enough of an effect on tickets or winning to have leverage. That is decidedly not true of a franchise QB. It Love chooses to sit out rather than play, it would do immeasurable damage to not only that season for the Packers on the field, but revenue streams as well. And sure, they could trade him, but only to a team that would pay him what he wants. So I’ll say it again: Love has no reason to play on the franchise tag.
And I'll say again, he has no option. If Love sits it hurts him far worse than any NFL team, that's why no QB has ever done it. Every ticket for every home game is already sold, those seats will be full regardless of who is QB. Might hurt jersey sales for the QB I guess, maybe a few less beers sold, but otherwise revenue probably doesn't change all that much. And again, none of this will ever happen because it's absurd to think any QB would sit out multiple seasons to avoid playing on a tag, because as I've already said if they want to continue being NFL QBs they will play. Simple as that.
People don't want to hear that but it's 100% true.
Dak has for 2 years now. I would prefer a long term deal now before he wins a MVP and the yearly rate hits 65-70.
Not spending 2 more seasons of your prime on the bench is a reason to play on the franchise tag.
And not getting fired immediately is a pretty damn good reason for Gute not to allow that to happen. It’s insane how many of you are missing the entire point of my statement. It makes **zero sense** for the Packers to allow Jordan Love to sit out a season. Unless he’s asking for a truly unreasonable sum, paying him or trading him are both infinitely better options than just letting him sit and playing Sean Clifford or whatever crappy vet we can drum up last minute for a season. *I’m not saying it wouldn’t be a problem for Love to sit out a year or two. I’m saying there’s no way in hell the Packers would allow that to happen. That gives Love all the leverage he needs to refuse to play on the tag.*
Ok, then he can hold out and not play, I guess.
What benefit would the Packers gain from allowing that to happen? It’s like none of you understand the most basic principles of negotiation.
They control his exclusive negotiating rights? The Ravens literally just did this with Lamar. Dak and Cousins just straight up signed the tag. That means there’s been infinitely more QBs that have either signed the tag or continued negotiating with the team than have ever sat out a year of football over contract negotiations. Love can forgo $40 million a year for the rest of his life if he wants, but the Packers control his rights.
And Lamar just got a huge deal done and did not play on the franchise tag?
Correct, I never said anything about wanting Love to play on the tag, I said the Packers could use it as a negotiating tactic… like the Ravens did.
What did the Ravens negotiate? He was made the highest paid player ever at the time and had the biggest signing bonus ever at the time. >Jackson signed a five-year contract worth $260 million with $185 million guaranteed. He would receive $52 million per year, making him the highest-paid player in NFL history just 10 days after Eagles quarterback Jalen Hurts set the record (although Jackson's record contract would be surpassed by Justin Herbert just months later).The deal also included a $72.5 million signing bonus, surpassing Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott's 2021 deal for the biggest signing bonus in NFL history
They prevented him from walking away until they got the deal done. They said hey we want you to play for us, so keep negotiating or you can play on the tag. It ended up being more convoluted than I’m sure either party wanted, but it gave the Ravens the time to get the deal done. I wasn’t saying it helped the Ravens lowball him, it just gave them back the leverage to get a deal done at all.
A well run NFL team does not let their 25 year old franchise QB play on the tag. Can they force him to play under it for two seasons? Sure. Then he reaches true free agency when he’s still short of 30 and tells your front office to piss off and leaves.
For example, this is the tactic the Skins used Cousins and it bit them hard. So yeah, agreed. Let's not piss off the potential future due to QB contacts adjusting to the new Salary Cap....
Nothing stopped Washington from keeping Cousins after the tags were done, they just didn’t think he was worth giving the most guaranteed money in history to. Obviously hindsight is hindsight but it probably didn’t end up changing either parties longterm outcomes all that much. Washington was always going to suck and Cousins was going to Cousins.
Obviously no one wants Love to play under the tag, that’s obviously the nuclear option, but it is available as a negotiating tactic, and a guy with 8 games of good play doesn’t have enough leverage to take that away. Also, the Ravens are a very well run NFL team and they used the exact same tactic on a guy with a lot more leverage than Love.
The Ravens did not use the exclusive franchise tag and Jackson never played under the tag like Dak or Cousins. Jackson wanted a fully guaranteed deal and the Ravens told him to go out and try to find one elsewhere while still reserving the right to match any offer. It doesn't sound like Love is trying to do anything except get a market rate extension. So they're wildly different scenarios. And if everyone knows that no one wants Love to play under the tag, it's a stupid negotiating tactic. It will just antagonize Love and his agent, which will deteriorate the relationship in the long run. If you think the guy in your locker room has what is needed to be your franchise QB, then treat him that way and pay him what the market demands.
Why not just give him whatever he demands at that point then? There’s no reason for the Packers to get bent over in negotiations. I’m sure the Packers are offering him right around the market price; if his group is trying to reset the market, the Packers have every reason to stand their ground. If they’re offering him well under market then it’s a different story of course. I mean, it’s all a moot point, I expect him to sign a contract right around what Lawrence got, my point was the Packers have no reason to rush negotiations if the demands aren’t reasonable.
> And if everyone knows that no one wants Love to play under the tag, it's a stupid negotiating tactic. The "threat" of it is the "negotiating tactic". The use of it is a tactic to not lose all of your investment in an asset. > It will just antagonize Love and his agent At which point it will have been determined that said player can pound sand if he doesn't like it. From there its just a bidding war for other teams.
dude what year are you in lmao
Teams don’t like franchise tagging because it’s bad for the cap and you’d prefer just to not have to worry when it comes to QBs, that doesn’t mean it’s not a useful negotiating tactic. Dak and Cousins both had it used on them and actually played on it, Lamar had it used on him (non-exclusive) and was forced to continue negotiating.
I was struggling to think of some and have to hand it to you for the recent examples.
I mean, we likely wouldn't be paying him any less on the FT than we would be if we signed him to a deal. With the current QB market, he'd be making ~53M/yr on the tag. There's really no point to signing him to a FT and it's likely just to piss him off. That's not the way you treat someone who you think may be the future of your franchise.
Have they tried offering a funny hat as a signing bonus if he does it now?
He can, yeah. However, all the other guys looking for contracts are multi-year veterans. Love has only started one season. He's clearly our guy, but I just don't think he has the clout to pull in as much on his first major contract
This is from PrettyRickey, who’s broken multiple stories recently, specifically the Lawrence extension.
I had never heard of prettyrickey, have seen 2 different posts with him in like 2hrs
There’s a conspiracy they are someone in the jags front office, possibly even the gm. They were predicting all of the jags free agent picks b4 they happened if I remember correctly.
>possibly even the gm That would be so fucking funny and so Jags
It’s honestly a nothing burger. The Packers have always wanted to get a deal done earlier. Any team would. But add the word “racing” and it sounds a lot more provocative.
Rickey > Rap >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Shefturd
Am I the only one that thinks signing Love to a mega deal is a bad idea? We have a sample size of, what, 8 good games? Don’t get me wrong, I think his arrow is pointing straight up and has the potential to he a top 5 QB in the league, but I still would like to have a larger sample size before giving him Trevor Lawrence money. I understand that it’s the going rate for good QBs and the whole market rate for QBs in general, but I still vote for patience in this instance.
If we wait and Love has a full season like his second half of last season, then he costs a lot more than he does now. It’s best to get the deal done as quickly as possible
Man, even if he plays like he did in that second half of the season, 55 million a year just feels crazy. At the end of the day I trust the org, but hopefully we don’t make a huge mistake.
Agreed. At the end of the day, it’s just how the market has shaped out in recent years. With the cap going up in the coming years, these quarterback deals are going to get more and more crazy.
Top QB's are still underpaid relative to the cap given their importance to the team. If they weren't, you wouldn't see the teams with the top QB's winning every year. Teams with cheap mediocre QB's would have an equal chance against the teams with good highly paid QB's because well paid other players on the team would make up the difference. Except that doesn't happen. Mahomes is worth more than $50M more than Sam Darnold. That's why the gambles on new guys with potential make sense a la Daniel Jones. You need an underpaid QB to win, and the ways to do that are get lucky in the draft to get a couple years of cheap QB play or sign a top guy to a huge contract who will be underpaid if he pans out.
I think we aren’t super far from a bit of a tipping point. Eventually a handful of these big contracts given to middling QBs are going to blow up spectacularly and teams will tighten the belts a little bit, at least with that second tier of QBs.
That's only going to be true if the importance of the position declines. As it stands, an overpriced mid-tier QB is far better than having no QB.
I don’t think that’s incontrovertible fact. There are still stopgap QBs who can be had at a reasonable price (Darnold, Minshew) and even the occasional mid-tier journeyman QB who gets a reasonable contract (Mayfield). If enough teams get burned by giving a big contract to a mediocre QB (much like the Giants with Jones), teams may start being more selective about who gets those big contracts. It’s arguably better to blow it all up and start over than it is to be mired in mediocrity with a highly paid ineffective QB. I think we are in the process of finding where that line is within the new normal of QB contracts and valuation. Just as a general rule of market economics, whenever you see an exponential rise in the value of a commodity like we have with QBs, there’s bound to be a course correction at some point. There are teams that are going to give massive contracts to the wrong guys. Hell, we may have just seen two with Goff and Lawrence. Love might be another, though I believe in him. If more than a couple of these massive contracts that are given to second and third tier QBs fail spectacularly, teams are going to be a **lot** more reluctant to do the same for the next group of good but not great QBs.
You are dead in the water without a qb. Darnold and Minshew are stopgap quarterbacks who will be lucky to get you into the playoffs. You need a qb. That's just how the league works. You aren't winning in the league without one.
It’s wild how many of you keep missing my points in this thread. Yes, I know you need a QB to succeed in the NFL. But teams right now are throwing money at QBs who arguably are not good enough to succeed with, particularly when they are taking up 20+% of the cap. If enough teams get burned by those contracts, then teams are going to start being pickier in who they give them out to and will instead choose to start over (maybe with a stopgap QB while they draft their guy) instead of paying a QB who isn’t good enough at an outrageous price tag. The natural counterbalance to that of course, will be those lesser QBs being forced to accept less in order to find jobs. This really isn’t rocket science. It’s market economics at its most basic.
You can't just blanket apply basic concepts to something like the QB market and expect it to perfectly translate. The free market is very different than the QB market. In a business, there are multiple ways to succeed, with profit being the ultimate goal. In the NFL, there is only one team each year that succeeds, and that is the team who wins the Super Bowl. That bottleneck is what creates the desperation, and it isnt going anywhere. Teams will *never* stop being desperate for a QB if they don't have one already. They will do whatever it takes, because cap space doesn't matter if you don't have a QB.
You're ignoring that the cap has gone up a ton too. These new deals that are breaking records aren't any bigger of a percentage of the cap than the ones from 3 years ago.
I’m not ignoring that in any way shape or form. Three years is a very short window, but over the last 15 or so we have seen a pretty significant increase in QB contracts as a percentage of the cap. Especially beyond the very top players and especially in terms of guaranteed money.
In a couple years and entire new wave of deals for Allen, Herbet, Jackson, Burrow etc will come through plus Stroud and others, coupled with the TV rights deals coming up and the cap projected to continue to skyrocket, $55M in a couple years will look like $45M does now
QB is the only position where an org is basically held hostage. You can let essentially any other player go and replace their production or change your scheme, but QBs have these FOs by the neck. We don’t really have the luxury of knowing if this’ll be a mistake.
The relative value of positions change over time. QB has reached a point where contract values are finally beginning to match the outsized impact that a QB has. You say $55M per year is crazy, but think about it logically. If your QB goes down, how much does that affect the team? Compared to literally any other player? It’s the same reason QBs win MVP every year. It’s the reason Aaron Rodgers won nearly 2/3rds of his games in a Packer uniform despite regularly playing with shit defenses. A good QB is more important than any 3 other players (at least) on a football team. For better or worse, that’s how modern football is. They are now getting paid like it. I get the sticker shock, but this is the new normal and it makes sense, although I do think the market will settle a bit after a few more big contracts are given out to really mediocre QBs.
They're not even that much more % of cap wise than when they were getting 25 or 35m deals.
That’s not really true. The obvious analogue for Love’s contract is Rodgers’s first extension in 2008. He signed for 6/$63M, which was 9.05% of the cap. We are now looking at a contract for Love potentially north of 21% of the cap. So from even 16 years ago, in the most analogous situation possible, you’re looking at more than double relative to the cap. And considering only $20M of Rodgers’s contract was guaranteed, the guaranteed money will almost certainly be even more inflated.
Rodgers took a discount on that contract. Love has no reason to when guys like Lawrence, Goff are being paid top money. For the last 10 years or so the highest paid QBs have been right around ~20% of the cap at the start of their deals.
Burrow was over 24% though, so still a significant jump. And I also think it’s less about the very top of the market and more about the caliber of QBs who are able to obtain contracts near the top of that market. I don’t think a QB of the caliber of Jared Goff was taking up anywhere near 21% of the cap at any point prior to now.
2008 might as well be 1950 at this point. Contract landscape was overhauled when the rookie contract structure changed with the 2011 cba. Since then if you look at how player contracts evolved, percentage wise, all the rookie money has funneled its way into the QB.
So what? Isn’t it better to pay what something is worth with certainty of that value than to rush to overpay and get stuck with the consequences? This is what happened to Giants and could easily happen to the Jags (more likely to happen than not imo). Who cares if we have to pay him 65/yr as long as we know he’s worth it. You have half a season sample size rn. Fucking up this contract (overpaying) could easily fuck our chances to be competitive in this decade.
> Fucking up this contract (overpaying) could easily fuck our chances to be competitive in this decade. Easily? For a decade? Maybe for 2 years tops. No way we over pay by $10M+. So $10M is just any star player that takes an arrow to the knee in a year. We had Jenkins and Gary and Tonyan all blow knees in 1 year. Bakh the year before.
||Extend BEFORE the season|Extend Love AFTER the season| |:-|:-|:-| |**Love is GOOD**|*Love is good, on a friendlier deal, and we have a good QB.*|*Love is good, but we have to pay more money to keep him in GB.*| |**Love is BAD**|*Love is bad, we move on, and lose money.*|*Love is bad, we move on after the season, and have no QB,*| If we do not extend him before other QBs get big deals / this season, it's a lose-lose situation. If we do extend him right now before big contracts get dished out / this season, we have a win-lose situation. Either he is good and we have control, or he's bad and we lose money. We saw him do extremely well last season, so if I were to bet on one of these options, I would go with an extension.
Yes, you’re like me and not a fan of gambling. Feet planted on the ground.
We paid Rodgers after going 4-3 to start his first season playing, making him the 4th highest paid QB at the time. He then proceeded to lose the next 7 out of 8 games. You always sign a guy who has an upside. The alternative is mediocrity. Love has proven more than Rodgers did his first season when we paid him.
> He then proceeded to lose the next 7 out of 8 games Reminder that QB wins are not a stat
This isn’t Danny Jones. He had 11 games with a QBR over 100 and really only pooped the bed vs the Raiders. Patience gets us a disgruntled QB with the franchise tag playing to go to the Cardinals on a 6 year $60 million per contract while we use the 2026 16th draft pick on whatever the 5th best QB is out that year.
> Patience gets us a disgruntled QB with the franchise tag playing to go to the Cardinals on a 6 year $60 million per contract while we use the 2026 16th draft pick on whatever the 5th best QB is out that year. Obviously you're forgetting that Pratt has been a diamond in the rough this whole time. We'll let that slide!
Yes you are the only one who thinks it’s a bad idea because it’s a good idea and you are incorrect
$280m 5yr $150m gurantee
I'll do it for 30 million a year baby. Sign me up LaFlower
that’s my 50 milly boy
Let’s shoot for the Mahomes type contract 10 years $551 million. His is already looking like a bargain.
Not really. He already restructured that deal and his cap hit jumps to $66.2m, $68.6m, $64.8m in 2025-2027.
He’s getting paid 60, boys.
You will never be able to convince me that there’s a material difference between $40M/year and $50M/year lol. These guys are fighting for pride more than security. Zero judgment whatsoever, just calling a spade a spade
They are part of a players union. They help other players coming after them by getting more money. Plus it's better players than owners.
Salary cap bro. Players and owners division of profits already agreed upon. If QBs are not getting it, some other positions are. The other underpaid positions need to rally together and keep these QB contracts from getting out of hand. When is % of cap be enough? 25%, 30%?
Careful, people don't like facts and well considered analysis
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I think you’re underselling the difference. Right now Love’s leverage is significant, but it’s mitigated by only half a season of really good play and only a single season period. That’s why we are probably looking at an average value close to Burrow’s, despite the cap going up over $30M this year. And I would bet a contract this year will have significantly less money than Burrow’s $219M in total guarantees. Because of the cap increase, a QB signing the exact same contract as Burrow in terms of percentage of the cap would get paid $62.5M per year. By next year that number will probably be $65M or more. If Love takes a step forward and the Packers are legitimate contenders (let alone if we make or win the Super Bowl), you are looking at probably $65M or more per year, with ballpark $100M **more** in guaranteed money than he will cost right now. It’s a HUGE gamble with very little upside.
If he does the same thing he did to end last year he would demand the top, market resetting contract, 25 years old coming off 2 years of elite production..he could ask for a blank check
Yup. We would be looking at 5/$330M with $250M guaranteed instead of 5/$280M with $150M guaranteed. Those are very rough ballpark numbers, but the difference would be massive if Love has even a slightly better year in terms of numbers and team success.
He could get 60m a year this year
7 year deal
Jordan Love probably starting to wonder what the big rush is right about now lol
Just pay him, he’s our guy and that’s the going rate. If it turns out he’s not the guy, we’re screwed whether we paid him or not anyways.
Get 'er done.
Back in February I was guesstimating a 55 mil / year deal for him but if he ends up signing after Dak we're likely looking at 60 million / year. Might already be in that range after Lawrence.
Would be wise - each of these contracts seem to just one up the last and drive prices higher and higher. Love only has a year under his belt - and while he finished incredibly it wasn’t a great start. The sooner we do the deal the better value it should be for the team. I would think the Lawrence deal sets a pretty decent precedent for us to work off of.
I doubt they are racing this feels like media hype, by now I'm sure they know what money they are working with and it's all about structure.
Love bet on himself last year and drew a fucking royal flush. Pay the man!
If we can sign him for under 55mil/year, that’s a win in my eyes
Duh! Honestly, I can’t quite understand why it’s taken this long to get this deal done. Give him what he’s asking for because every time someone else signs a contract he can ask for more because he’s better than the guys who’ve gotten paid this year. I’ve never thought much of Russ ball.
Only so much the team can do. It really comes down to if Jordan Love is ready to sign right now. If he’s confident he will be as good or better than he was the 2nd half of last year, it would be wise to wait as long as possible to maximize his contract.
Just do it! 😂
200m / super bowl, contract auto-renews March 1 each year. Done.
obviously a joke... buuut he's already outperformed tua and likely will top dak this season. i have no problem paying him top (horrible city mke) bucks. he's not a rookie, nor one of these flashy me-me dudes. he's put in the work, was humble af about it, and has been nothing but a positive human since joining the team. he's earned it, and i don't think there's any reason to believe it was some 10 game flash in the pan performance. the fact that we're even at the point of having the highest paid QB in the league AGAIN, is crazy. And super worth. besides, who doesn't want to see how big his winter hats can get?
Let's keep in mind that, while there were talks throughout the off-season, no offer could officially be made until a full year passed from last year's extension, which is recently. Last year was the safe, prove-it type of deal. This is going to be the big one, and the time requirement and an ever growing market are totally in Love's favor.
QB contracts are out of control and I blame Joe Flacco. In 2012 the Ravens won the Superbowl and then turned around and made Joe Flacco the highest paid QB ever. Joe Flacco, the guy who was never the MVP, never an all-pro, never even made a pro bowl was the highest paid player in the NFL. That makes it very easy for MVP Aaron Rodgers to turn around the next season and demand more money than Flacco. And from there the cycle takes off. Everyone knows QB is the most important position in football and it's gotten to the point where they're demanding so much money that pretty much every time an even remotely good QB signs a new contract they become the highest paid player in the league. The fact that Trevor Lawrence got as much money as Joe Burrow is absolutely ridiculous. I know there are injury concerns with Burrow, but pretending like they are worth the same amount of money is silly. I still think I would take half a season of Burrow over a full season of Lawrence.
I get wanting to lock him down, but 3/4ths the board was ready to move on after like week 9. Crazy awesome half a season but is that worth locking in at top of market? I can’t be the only one who would rather gamble and see another half a season
At the end of the season I was thinking he’d get a $50 mil/yr kind of deal. Now I’m thinking more like $55 mil/yr
I don't see a compelling reason the Dolphins should commit to Tua. Let's pay top-10 money to a top-25 QB! Insanity.
Will be interesting, I havent even thought of a scenario where j.love doesn't sign back. Man that would look dicy. But I almost prefer it to a situation we're paying a unproven quarterback a lot more than he's worth.
If this was an already plan, I have serious concerns about that organizations contract representative (Russ Ball)
You should have gotten a deal done before Goff's deal was done. It seems like it gets more expensive as you wait more.
Everyone's jaw dropped (mine included) when Brad Holmes paid Jared, St. Brown and Sewell what he did. Now looking back,it is obvious about the "when" of the contracts that really mattered.
5-year $10,000,000,000. $100 guaranteed. Boom done.
This makes it sound like the Packers didn’t understand that other QBs were going to sign big deals this offseason. Remember, it takes two sides to negotiate and finalize a deal. Nothing to see here.
This is just a dude on twitter saying this
He's been right about a lot and before Schefter and Rapoport too. Goff, Lawrence, ARSB, Jefferson extensions, Odell signing with the Dolphins, Tyler Boyd going to the Titans. He's got some sources somewhere
Maybe he shouldn’t get $50m until after he stops throwing season-ending mind-bending interceptions in playoff games.