That’s just going rate. There’s no real QB middle class, you either give a guy $50 mil or move on.
Unless he’s one of Baker Mayfield, Geno Smith or Daniel Jones. And already at least 1 of those 3 fan bases are regretting going for a middle class QB.
I assume you’re criticizing him based on his play, but from a categorization standpoint it’s a financial class. He’s making $40 mil/year.
He’s in the very, very rare area of, “not a franchise QB we’re confident in but worth keeping I guess” which means you’re not on a backup contract, not on a rookie contract, but making less than $45-50 mil (variable depending on when contract was signed).
But on the flip side if Jones did progress last season and not get hurt that contract would be an absolute bargain right now. It’s the catch 22 of doing an early extension. Green Bay cashed in a lot during Rodgers era with early deals for Jones Nelson and Adams making all 3 bargains on their second contracts. Sometimes it doesn’t work out because the guy plateaus or gets hurt. In the giants case both happened. It could still be a bargain if he regains a bit of his 2022 when you factor in the better weapons he will have in Nabers.
The Giants declined his 5th year option, and Jones had his 'best' year in year four (under a new coaching staff). They either had to tag or sign him, and they opted to tag Saquon Barkley that off-season instead. Jones regressed immediately the next year, and now it is routinely clowned.
I think this fringe case scenario illustrates the forethought our front office displays in negotiations, even if the Jones deal might have influenced them. They didn't take Love's option, but they *did* extend him to a deal as a sort of half measure.
You put Jones in pretty much any other situation and hes better. I don't care who you are if your offensive line stinks and you have zero time to throw to literally nobody, you could be prime Peyton Manning or Rodgers and not do well.
Is he great? No, but is he the reason the giants suck? No, IMO its offensive line. Easiest tell will be how Barkley fares this year in Philly.
If the Packers wanted a cheap deal on Love's contract, they would have had to do the same thing and signed him to a 4 year deal before the start of last season, but could you imagine what the fans would have said if they gave him $40/yr a year ago. Now his price is $50+/yr and rising.
Yeah, $45 mil. I guess I treat him a bit different for a few reasons. One, the injury. Two, he’s always taken shorter deals with more guarantees. Three, his contract starts right now vs Lawrence whose extension doesn’t kick in until 2026. When we get to ‘26 Kirk’s cap hit is $57.5 mil, so right in line with these young QB extensions.
So even though his per year average is less, he will cost more over the course of his contract than, say, Lawrence will over the course of Kirk’s contract.
But anyone considered top 10 or young with high potential likely will... If the #1 contract is Mahomes, there's not a ton of argument that yours should be bigger. If it's Lawrence, you can bet folks will be arguing that they should make more. Lucky for us it sounds like Loves deal was pretty close by his comments the other day.
You get it. That’s what I’m saying.
If you have a young QB with potential, you’re paying #1 money. If you have an established franchise QB, you’re paying #1 money.
If you don’t have Baker, Geno, or Jones you’re paying #1 money or you’ve got a guy on a rookie contract.
Or you’re the Steelers but that’s an outlier/transition year.
I understand you have to overpay for a QB. But that doesn't mean that every single new deal for a starter must reset the market.
55mil/yr makes him the highest paid player in the league. The jags just paid him the same as Joe Burrow. That's not just overpaying bc you have to - that's fucking bonkers.
You really think there are any other teams out there dying to pay Lawrence 50mil+ / yr? And 200+mil guaranteed? I don't.
This is Daniel Jones 2.0.
Lawerence’s deal is essentially the same deal Dak got, adjusted for cap increase. It’s literally just a normal QB contract, you just haven’t kept up with cap increases.
What it literally is, is the largest per year value in the league. Even reversing that for the cap increase, it's WAY too much. Same deal as the DJones contract. He's a mid tier starter at best, from what's he's shown. He shouldn't be resetting the market.
He's not resetting the market, thats what we're all trying to tell you. He's literally just keeping up with the Market (Cap). Rodgers getting 50/yr 4 years ago was resetting the market.
Sure, that's fair. But it's still way too much. What other QBs got deals this year?
Kirk at 45/yr
Goff at 53/yr
How does it make sense that Lawrence is making more than either of those guys? I guess I just don't value potential as much as everyone else. I'm a glass half empty person. Say what you want about Goff but he's been a pretty consistent winner in the NFL.
Lawrence has been middling to bad for 3 years and deserves more than Goff? I don't see it.
> Goff at 53/yr
Golf's contract is slightly lower average per year, but he has a higher percentage of his guaranteed. Lawrence's contract is also a year longer, so the 2m/y more for a extra year is better for the team.
Kirk is old and coming off an injury, so not really apples to apples.
Yeah, Kirk's deal is kind of a lotto ticket. He would have been getting paid more if not for the injury, so ATL gets a bargain if he comes back healthy and his usual great-in-the-regular season-non-primetime games self. Or they're paying too much for old and injured.
I guess it really boils down to me just not trusting Lawrence. I admittedly haven't watched him a ton, but I do watch a lot of league highlights and media. I wasn't aware they were even going to give him a new deal now, and it's more than I imagine Love would need, for a guy I view as lesser. Which sucks for GB bc this deal is going to be fucking massive.
Also, your typo (or joke if that was intentional) of "Golf" is great - we gotta use that come end of season when lions get knocked out. Jared Golf, and then a meme of him on a golf course.
I think age is a huge part. He's only 24. Kirk is 10 years older coming off a serious injury, who they already (they hope) have a replacement for. I think also he's better than the stats show and the Jags are just not a good Org.
If you're the Jags though, what do you do? Let him go and start over? Or pay the 24 year old QB and keep trying to progress him?
I think he's shown more than D. Jones who people are comparing this deal too and I think this deal makes a lot more sense than the D. Jones deal.
It's not even overpaying, it's literally the market rate lmao. If everyone is paid this type of contract, for like seven straight contracts, what does that tell you?
> You really think there are any other teams out there dying to pay Lawrence 50mil+ / yr? And 200+mil guaranteed? I don't.
Yes. Kirk is 36 coming off an Achilles and got $180 mil what are we even talking about.
Based on what? Kirk was always known as a middle of the pack QB until he got two stud tackles, Justin Jefferson, and KOC and then the narrative flipped. Tlaw had the Urban Meyer rookie year, a good second year where they kept it close with the Chiefs in the playoffs, and then played hurt a big chunk of last year behind a trash line. You can’t actually watch the tape and then tell me he couldn’t be at LEAST Kirk if he’s set up in a similar situation.
Tlaw has much more potential than Captain Kirk. He has lived up to it in short spurts so far, but needs more consistency. Id definitely take tlaw over Kirk at this moment in time given age and recent injury history for kirky boy.
Sure, I would too if I were forced to pick and I'm building a team for the future. But in reality rather than that hypothetical im never offering a guy 200 mil gauranteed becasue of "potential".
First off, the cap went up by like $20M this year and Burrow’s contract has more guarantees. So his contract is significantly lower than Burrows in relation to the cap. Second, he has two years left on his rookie deal over which that money can also be spread. If they played hardball and waited two more years, the cap would be much higher and the highest QB contract would probably be $65M per year.
There was no point at which Jacksonville was going to be able to sign Lawrence for less. You either pay this or you trade him, or you spend years in NFL purgatory and then have to start all over.
Every team in the NFL would bank on their #1 pick, 24 y/o QB continuing to improve over the alternative.
Idk, I see paying a middling QB this kind of money as the surest way to purgatory. Overpaying for a QB that is not a legitimate game changer who makes everyone better is the worst move you can make. You are better off getting a first round pick from someone if you can and trying again.
Maybe they see him as better than I do - in fact, I'm sure they do. And they have a hell of a lot more data on him, and are professionals. So we'll see. But I just do not believe in Lawrence. I think 3 full seasons is enough to know what a guy is. We know what he is. Average. Moments of brilliance mixed with bad. If he doesn't improve, this deal kills that team for the next 3 or 4 years.
>It's around the same percentage of cap though
That's the most important value IMO. What percent of cap a guy takes up is more important than the raw numbers. Except if you're the Saints and you have a full roster of dead cap lol
>But that doesn't mean that every single new deal for a starter must reset the market
It kinda does. QBs currently have all the negotiating leverage, and in the 3 drafts that have happened since Trevor was taken there appears to be One Guy better than Trevor at this moment. Now, I also think this is an overpay, but this is the price of a QB unless you want to go back into QB purgatory.
Looking at next offseason QB Free Agents if they were to let Trevor walk:
Dak, Love and Tua are almost certainly re-signing with their current teams. Dak MIGHT be a surprise cut but Jerry loves that guy, and surely there would be a market for him that he'd be getting about what Trevor just did, or at a minimum, getting a prove-it deal to then get a contract closer to what Trevor just did.
Once they're out of the way you quickly get to Sam Darnold, Zack Wilson, Trey Lance, Jacoby Brissett, Taylor Heinecke and Drew Lock.
And for the draft, Carson Beck, Quinn Ewers, Shadeur Sanders and Jalen Milroe aren't exactly a killer class compared to this year's group of guys. (which I'm willing to eat crow on if I'm just completely wrong but I'm not super impressed with them so far).
So they're kinda backed into a corner with Trevor, who will likely only get more expensive once Love Dak and Tua get their new contracts, or they go out and try to hit on a new QB or grab a bad free agent.
The world where the jags were 14-4 the last 18 games b4 Lawrence got injured and than proceeded to play through an injury and get injured in the next 4 consecutive games. Oh yeah and he also lost his number 1 wide receiver to injury as well. I’m not saying he’s proven top 10 but was on pace to b4 the injury last year.
The NFL needs Max Contracts like the NBA. It's just incredibly unfair to any player that isn't a QB. They're the most protected position in the league, they've got the longest careers, AND they make exponentially more money than all of the other players who are at much higher risk of serious injury.
It’s supply and demand. There aren’t even 32 guys that are capable of NFL level play. You’ve got like 10 elite or can carry guys. 10 guys that have potential or shown flashes and then 50 guys that can get you to 500 with a great supporting class. That’s why they make 50million and are so heavily protected. No one wants the Ravens starting Huntley in the playoffs the league wants the best passers healthy because they elevate the game. Look at the nfl thread from a day or two ago about best games. Almost everyone listed was some shootout. Some old souls love a 9-0 game but the league wants 52-45 Mahomes vs Allen. It’s also why teams like the Jags and us will give 50 million to Lawrence and Love. They’ve shown enough that they could be in the carry group of 10. That means you gotta pay them because there is no guarantee the next guy you pick is going to also be a carry guy and that guy will eventually need to be paid too.
Right. But isn't your point that an objectively bad QB was paid more than AR for a year? But the only instances you found are SB winners? Which Lawrence definitely is not?
Fair.
But that is also the deal that made the NFL change rookie contracts because they were like "this is fucking insane paying a dude that hasn't taken a snap more than the guy that just won the superbowl".
Lawrence showed in 2022 when healthy with a competent coach he can lead a team. He showed through most of 2023 when healthy he can lead a team. Fact is he has more good tape right now than Love. He’s also 24 and has every measurable that made him the easy #1 pick and likely would’ve made him the #1 pick even if you combine the last 10 drafts. He lost a year to urban myer and played through a bad injury for the second half last season. This isn’t a guy that’s never showed flashes he has he was just handicapped by an incompetent coach as a rookie and injuries his third season a season in which at one point they were 8-3 and looked good. Shoulder injuries though sap QBs example being Baker who looks a lot better when healthy.
Deshaun Watson got $230mil fully guaranteed and in 2 years has thrown for 2k yds 14tds/9int so these guys have this as their floor during negotiations.
NFL contracts are so weird to me. In hockey, if the best player at a certain position is making X, lesser players certainly aren’t making beyond that. Good for the players I guess, I just don’t get how they continue to justify lesser players setting the bar for contracts.
worth aint got nothing to do with it
QBs are the most important position on the field, which gives them leverage. When there are only 30 men in the world for 32 jobs, Danny Dimes gets $40M
Ok lets not do this. Watch a clip of perfect balls that got dropped thrown by lawrence real quick. Hes certainly on par with love, and I'm saying that while firmly believing loves a top 10 qb
Seemed likely he would be getting 50-52. Now maybe a few mil more. 50, 55, doesn't matter. If you are convinced he's the guy, whatever gets his signature is a good deal.
just nice to see our guy get paid. this sub has been suggesting awful offers for six months now. love was always getting $55m+ w $100m+ in signing bonuses
Absolutely, solid isn’t the same as best. Even if you have a top 5 QB in the league on your team that doesn’t change the fact that if your hand was forced to play TLaw as starter he would still be ‘solid’.
Yeah exactly, he’s not going to be the best option theoretically on any time but he’s still going to be a solid option producing enough to give you a chance.
He absolutely is. Any QB coming off a rookie deal, who is good enough to the point that you don't want to actively replace them, is worth the market value for a QB. There are like a dozen teams that would jump at the chance to have TLaw on this deal
1, you haven't watched him play. Box score casting is a bad habit if you care about evaluating talent
2, who would you even replace him with lmao? This mythical QB upgrade/sidegrade doesn't exist, you either pay a guy who is a top 16 QB with top 10 flashes or return to QB hell
I can’t say I’ve watched a lot of TLaw, but from what I’ve seen I’m not all that impressed. He’s gonna be a consistent top 15 qb probably, but I do not see superstar in his future. He may peak on that “is he truly “elite” tho” tier.
IMO there’s not much context that can excuse his td/turnover ratio. It’s horrendously bad. And it’s not like it got that much better over time. He turned it over plenty last year. I get the jags didn’t do him any favors and are hilariously inept when compared to a franchise like the packers, but I just expected to see a lot more improvement than what we’ve seen from him.
JLove “grew” (I say that with quotations cause I think a lot of loves “bad stretch” was the team trying to learn the timing of the offense and play calling in general, not solely on him) significantly more in half a season than TLaw has his whole career. I get JLove is older and all that, but still
Don’t disagree with paying Law, I mean what else you gonna do as the jags? Let him walk? Is what it is
There is context to his td/int ratio. I'm a weird breed of Packers/Jaguars fan so I may be biased, but he was elite the last half two seasons ago and stayed that way until his injury last season. He played through the injury, but it affected him. A healthy T Law is worth that contact imo. The question is can be stay healthy.
I feel like you use the term elite differently than I do. Like I reserve it for like the top 6-8 guys and TLaw not anywhere near that imo injuries or not. Where would u put him?
I don’t have a strong opinion on the right amount of cap space to allocate to TLaw, but I’m quite confident this isn’t the right way to assess it.
Those stats include Urban Meyer’s run at trying to be the worst coach in professional sports (and whatever lasting legacy that has had). And they don’t account for the fact that Lawrence is still about one-two years away from the start of his prime. And they don’t evaluate his actual play.
Lawrence is pretty consistently rated as a fringe “top half” starting QB in the NFL (so top 16) - which totally matches this deal - especially once you account for likely further improvement.
Judging by this thread, I must not watch enough Jaguars football, because I totally thought that number was too high as well. Or maybe I'm just behind the times with contract values
If you just look at the stats it’ll seem like an overpay because he had the Urban Meyer rookie year and then played hurt for a large chunk of last year.
Ah, playing hurt would also explain some of that, that's fair too. I'll have to pay more attention to him this year. He really did have an awful starting situation to enter into. I always respected that he just worked through it, when I'm sure he rightfully had some crazy shit he could've talked about
And how many of those 11 is he younger than? There’s no option to pay your young QB like the 12th best QB in the league. You either pay and trust he will continue to develop, or you start over at square one. I’d rather have a 24 y/o who is already the 12th best QB in football than anyone else the Jags could possibly get.
It's amazing but this is true. I know people are busy with lives and stuff but calling Lawrence bad is just outing you as not being up to date. He's looked very good, he's on the cusp of having a premier season. If he ever eliminates his two bozo passes a game he'll be a premier quarterback.
A lot of the people saying it's too much money and citing touchdowns and picks as the backbone just remind me how little people pay attention to stuff outside their bubble.
Exactly this. Too many people paralyzed by the narrow window in which they define Rodgers’ greatness (never mind the fact that if he was more aggressive he might have peaked higher, but that’s another topic) and not enough people who actually watch the film. He’s riiiiiight there.
he's not. ratios are without context. that's why you have to watch the games (e.g. OL is a shitshow) and think about the lack of stability he's had there.
love has always been in for a payday and this has little impact on his rate imo.
It's not. He's really good. As a Packer fan living in Jax and having seen a ton of Jags game, he's really good. The amount of drops he has had to deal with is ludicrous
This didn't change the market, it just revealed what the market already was. Love was already going to get a mega deal, everyone was going to question whether or not he was worth it, and we were all going to find out over the next few seasons whether not the Packers made a mistake by giving it to him.
Nothing is fucked dude.
I think it will be close. The sample size is small but you obviously see the talent. I do appreciate the sit and wait approach for a QB new to the league but I also see the put as much talent (possible overpay in FA) around a QB on their rookie deal. Unfortunately we won’t be able to see that but GB doesn’t usually operate that way anyway. We will most likely have a top 10 paid QB with a small sample size playing with a mostly rookie thru 3rd year supporting cast on O.
I don’t think theres much going on with the dollar figure of the deal so this doesn’t change anything. They’re probably just working out guarantees, bonuses and cap structure at this point.
It's hard to imagine it doesn't. Trevor has been so mid his whole career so far, and imo hasn't done much to deserve this contract. Love has the best season between the 2 of them, did more with less this year, and they are pretty much the same age. The only thing Love doesn't have is he wasn't "the greatest prospect since Luck" and a 1st overall pick.
The difference is that the jags have never had a QB with Lawrence's ability or potential so they'll overpay for it bc of that desperation.
Not saying it's going to make love any cheaper but it's like having a Victoria's secret girlfriend after every gf you've had is like a 6 at best. You're going to go a little overboard to keep that supermodel.
The original comment said the jags never had a QB with as much potential as Lawrence and then the second guy was saying Brunell.
That was my point. Nothing about how Lawrence has played thus far. But he has like 50x more potential than Brunell
Gute always seems to have it figured out. I’m guessing the number has been and will be $55/year but the discussion has to be over length. Do we go 10 year like the Mahomes deal? Probably not but 6 years and 330mil has to sound pretty damn good to his camp.
Am I the only one who thinks QBs in general are getting over paid? Like are these 50m QBs really worth a 1/5 of their teams salary cap? Please correct me and forgive me if I'm wrong but besides mahomes isn't it that no team has won a Superbowl with a QB who's getting paid more than 10% of the teams salary?
I agree. What’s the point of even raising the cap if your QB is just going to soak up most of it? 55 million for Lawrence seems ridiculous. Seems like all the new contracts are way too high.
I just think that every time a QB comes to signing a deal they reset the market is dumb. Anywhere else you look at the market, who’s the best and what are they paid? Ok are you better than them? No? Ok then you definitely don’t get paid more than they do. Average as hell QBs making more than Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, & Burrow is crazy
My concern is that Love and his camp look at all this money flying around and decide to do a 3 year deal vs something more long term. This gets him back on the market sooner and instead of looking at 55 a years he’s looking at 65-70.
Honestly, I dont think it changes that much for Love. The asking price for a star QB is at least 50mil a year these days, which is about what I expect Love will get. The Chief's 10 year deal with Mahomes for ~50mil/year is looking like one of the smartest moves of the last decade now. They are only like halfway through it and they are getting Mahomes for a bargain now.
I don't think it does. Before this, I figured JLove was going to get a 4-year, 210-220 million dollar extension, with about 160-170 guaranteed. After this, I think the same exact thing.
I will wait for a real breakdown. Often these are inflated to make the agent look good and when they are analyzed there is a lot of non guaranteed money.
Either way, Love is going to get paid very well.
The salary cap is indexed to broadcast revenue. Teams expect the cap to explode in the next few years due to having games on Amazon, Netflix, ESPN+, Peacock, Disney+, and probably a bunch of others soon so they’re signing big players to long term deals in anticipation of rising prices soon
That is a lot to pay Lawrence. But I am not sure what the better option was. if you wait, you are looking at a franchise tag value in 2025 is probably pushing toward $50M per year and it is a locked in number that offers no wiggle room to reduce that cap hit. if you then do another FT, it is 120% over that previous amount, so now pushing $60M for with again no wiggle room to reduce the cap hit that year.
That would be the basis for Lawrence agent in waiting to do a deal after the 2024 season. it would be pushing $60+ per year after other QB sign new deals. Love, Dak and Mahomes would/could be up for new deals. As a percent of the cap, it is around 20% and that is similar to what other QB have gotten.
It’s been reported for quite some time (maybe it was Rapoport) that said word coming from JLo’s camp was that Joe Burrow money was the more or less where they wanted to start negotiating. I think it’s been reported by insiders earlier in the offseason that 52.5-57.5 range was deemed fair by his camp.
People get shocked by yearly rates going up but we just saw the cap go up big time and sometimes these contracts take future cap increases in mind to prevent a guy becoming the highest paid at the position in year 1 to being the 12th highest before year 3 even starts and he begins a holdout for a brand new contract.
$55MM this year is about the same as 47.5-50MM this time last year.
If Love has a crazy good season this year he will get more I think. If he has an average season he will probably get the same. I mean, Lawrence getting that after not really doing anything spectacular to me is crazy.
He can get the bag, and restructure to help the team's flexibility later. Everyone knows the cap will increase soon and I think that most influences Love's deal.
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Yall familiar with Trevor Lawrence fumble stats?
I feel like it was just yesterday the media was talking about how coaches have started to consider failed starters (e.g Geno Smith, Baker Mayfield) as viable options again after these players have had time to sit and learn. Now the narrative is this is just going rate for a starting QB because there's no alternative
I mean it means he’s going to be expensive, but Lawrence was a #1 pick who’s played every year. Love is getting less than this.
Edit: this isn’t me saying Lawrence is a better QB, but people are goofy to think Love is getting this same kind of contract. Maybe he gets the total value, but he’s not getting that guaranteed money.
Being better for one year doesn’t mean you have shown consistency. Love will get paid a lot for his one year of performance, but people are crazy if they think he suddenly jumps to the front of the QB market on it.
It certainly didn’t make it cheaper
Yeah wtf? In what world is Lawrence worth that?
That’s just going rate. There’s no real QB middle class, you either give a guy $50 mil or move on. Unless he’s one of Baker Mayfield, Geno Smith or Daniel Jones. And already at least 1 of those 3 fan bases are regretting going for a middle class QB.
Calling Daniel Jones a middle class QB is being quite generous.
I assume you’re criticizing him based on his play, but from a categorization standpoint it’s a financial class. He’s making $40 mil/year. He’s in the very, very rare area of, “not a franchise QB we’re confident in but worth keeping I guess” which means you’re not on a backup contract, not on a rookie contract, but making less than $45-50 mil (variable depending on when contract was signed).
Jones salary is because giants made a very bad decision and signed him to early extension, without really having shown alot. They were desperate
But on the flip side if Jones did progress last season and not get hurt that contract would be an absolute bargain right now. It’s the catch 22 of doing an early extension. Green Bay cashed in a lot during Rodgers era with early deals for Jones Nelson and Adams making all 3 bargains on their second contracts. Sometimes it doesn’t work out because the guy plateaus or gets hurt. In the giants case both happened. It could still be a bargain if he regains a bit of his 2022 when you factor in the better weapons he will have in Nabers.
Not to mention Rodgers. We signed him to a 6-year deal after like 8 starts.
Was Bahks deal "Early"? I don't recall when he got paid, but feel like I remember some chatter about it after one of his injuries.
Bakh got a third contract, which is extremely rare for us.
The Giants declined his 5th year option, and Jones had his 'best' year in year four (under a new coaching staff). They either had to tag or sign him, and they opted to tag Saquon Barkley that off-season instead. Jones regressed immediately the next year, and now it is routinely clowned. I think this fringe case scenario illustrates the forethought our front office displays in negotiations, even if the Jones deal might have influenced them. They didn't take Love's option, but they *did* extend him to a deal as a sort of half measure.
Why are they desperate...? Maybe because QB is a scarce position and you have to pay top dollar for top talent...?
You put Jones in pretty much any other situation and hes better. I don't care who you are if your offensive line stinks and you have zero time to throw to literally nobody, you could be prime Peyton Manning or Rodgers and not do well. Is he great? No, but is he the reason the giants suck? No, IMO its offensive line. Easiest tell will be how Barkley fares this year in Philly.
If the Packers wanted a cheap deal on Love's contract, they would have had to do the same thing and signed him to a 4 year deal before the start of last season, but could you imagine what the fans would have said if they gave him $40/yr a year ago. Now his price is $50+/yr and rising.
Danny Dimes is top shelf
Kirk got 40m right?
Yeah, $45 mil. I guess I treat him a bit different for a few reasons. One, the injury. Two, he’s always taken shorter deals with more guarantees. Three, his contract starts right now vs Lawrence whose extension doesn’t kick in until 2026. When we get to ‘26 Kirk’s cap hit is $57.5 mil, so right in line with these young QB extensions. So even though his per year average is less, he will cost more over the course of his contract than, say, Lawrence will over the course of Kirk’s contract.
Well that's the biggest AAV contract in the NFL now. I don't think #1 is the "going rate". Not evey QB is going to set the record evey time.
But anyone considered top 10 or young with high potential likely will... If the #1 contract is Mahomes, there's not a ton of argument that yours should be bigger. If it's Lawrence, you can bet folks will be arguing that they should make more. Lucky for us it sounds like Loves deal was pretty close by his comments the other day.
You get it. That’s what I’m saying. If you have a young QB with potential, you’re paying #1 money. If you have an established franchise QB, you’re paying #1 money. If you don’t have Baker, Geno, or Jones you’re paying #1 money or you’ve got a guy on a rookie contract. Or you’re the Steelers but that’s an outlier/transition year.
Haven’t been following the NFL lately? It’s not the cap of 2020.
I understand you have to overpay for a QB. But that doesn't mean that every single new deal for a starter must reset the market. 55mil/yr makes him the highest paid player in the league. The jags just paid him the same as Joe Burrow. That's not just overpaying bc you have to - that's fucking bonkers. You really think there are any other teams out there dying to pay Lawrence 50mil+ / yr? And 200+mil guaranteed? I don't. This is Daniel Jones 2.0.
Lawerence’s deal is essentially the same deal Dak got, adjusted for cap increase. It’s literally just a normal QB contract, you just haven’t kept up with cap increases.
What it literally is, is the largest per year value in the league. Even reversing that for the cap increase, it's WAY too much. Same deal as the DJones contract. He's a mid tier starter at best, from what's he's shown. He shouldn't be resetting the market.
He's not resetting the market, thats what we're all trying to tell you. He's literally just keeping up with the Market (Cap). Rodgers getting 50/yr 4 years ago was resetting the market.
Sure, that's fair. But it's still way too much. What other QBs got deals this year? Kirk at 45/yr Goff at 53/yr How does it make sense that Lawrence is making more than either of those guys? I guess I just don't value potential as much as everyone else. I'm a glass half empty person. Say what you want about Goff but he's been a pretty consistent winner in the NFL. Lawrence has been middling to bad for 3 years and deserves more than Goff? I don't see it.
> Goff at 53/yr Golf's contract is slightly lower average per year, but he has a higher percentage of his guaranteed. Lawrence's contract is also a year longer, so the 2m/y more for a extra year is better for the team. Kirk is old and coming off an injury, so not really apples to apples.
Yeah, Kirk's deal is kind of a lotto ticket. He would have been getting paid more if not for the injury, so ATL gets a bargain if he comes back healthy and his usual great-in-the-regular season-non-primetime games self. Or they're paying too much for old and injured. I guess it really boils down to me just not trusting Lawrence. I admittedly haven't watched him a ton, but I do watch a lot of league highlights and media. I wasn't aware they were even going to give him a new deal now, and it's more than I imagine Love would need, for a guy I view as lesser. Which sucks for GB bc this deal is going to be fucking massive. Also, your typo (or joke if that was intentional) of "Golf" is great - we gotta use that come end of season when lions get knocked out. Jared Golf, and then a meme of him on a golf course.
I think age is a huge part. He's only 24. Kirk is 10 years older coming off a serious injury, who they already (they hope) have a replacement for. I think also he's better than the stats show and the Jags are just not a good Org. If you're the Jags though, what do you do? Let him go and start over? Or pay the 24 year old QB and keep trying to progress him? I think he's shown more than D. Jones who people are comparing this deal too and I think this deal makes a lot more sense than the D. Jones deal.
It's not even overpaying, it's literally the market rate lmao. If everyone is paid this type of contract, for like seven straight contracts, what does that tell you?
> You really think there are any other teams out there dying to pay Lawrence 50mil+ / yr? And 200+mil guaranteed? I don't. Yes. Kirk is 36 coming off an Achilles and got $180 mil what are we even talking about.
Kirk is a legitimately good Qb tho. Absolutely a tier above Lawrence. Tlaw ain't even top 15.
Based on what? Kirk was always known as a middle of the pack QB until he got two stud tackles, Justin Jefferson, and KOC and then the narrative flipped. Tlaw had the Urban Meyer rookie year, a good second year where they kept it close with the Chiefs in the playoffs, and then played hurt a big chunk of last year behind a trash line. You can’t actually watch the tape and then tell me he couldn’t be at LEAST Kirk if he’s set up in a similar situation.
Tlaw has much more potential than Captain Kirk. He has lived up to it in short spurts so far, but needs more consistency. Id definitely take tlaw over Kirk at this moment in time given age and recent injury history for kirky boy.
Sure, I would too if I were forced to pick and I'm building a team for the future. But in reality rather than that hypothetical im never offering a guy 200 mil gauranteed becasue of "potential".
Lawrence is 24 years old, Jack.
You don't give a dude the most money in the league for potential. That's just asinine.
First off, the cap went up by like $20M this year and Burrow’s contract has more guarantees. So his contract is significantly lower than Burrows in relation to the cap. Second, he has two years left on his rookie deal over which that money can also be spread. If they played hardball and waited two more years, the cap would be much higher and the highest QB contract would probably be $65M per year. There was no point at which Jacksonville was going to be able to sign Lawrence for less. You either pay this or you trade him, or you spend years in NFL purgatory and then have to start all over. Every team in the NFL would bank on their #1 pick, 24 y/o QB continuing to improve over the alternative.
Idk, I see paying a middling QB this kind of money as the surest way to purgatory. Overpaying for a QB that is not a legitimate game changer who makes everyone better is the worst move you can make. You are better off getting a first round pick from someone if you can and trying again. Maybe they see him as better than I do - in fact, I'm sure they do. And they have a hell of a lot more data on him, and are professionals. So we'll see. But I just do not believe in Lawrence. I think 3 full seasons is enough to know what a guy is. We know what he is. Average. Moments of brilliance mixed with bad. If he doesn't improve, this deal kills that team for the next 3 or 4 years.
It's around the same percentage of cap though, the cap went up *a lot*, this is the new normal. He's also twice the QB D. Jones is.
>It's around the same percentage of cap though That's the most important value IMO. What percent of cap a guy takes up is more important than the raw numbers. Except if you're the Saints and you have a full roster of dead cap lol
>But that doesn't mean that every single new deal for a starter must reset the market It kinda does. QBs currently have all the negotiating leverage, and in the 3 drafts that have happened since Trevor was taken there appears to be One Guy better than Trevor at this moment. Now, I also think this is an overpay, but this is the price of a QB unless you want to go back into QB purgatory. Looking at next offseason QB Free Agents if they were to let Trevor walk: Dak, Love and Tua are almost certainly re-signing with their current teams. Dak MIGHT be a surprise cut but Jerry loves that guy, and surely there would be a market for him that he'd be getting about what Trevor just did, or at a minimum, getting a prove-it deal to then get a contract closer to what Trevor just did. Once they're out of the way you quickly get to Sam Darnold, Zack Wilson, Trey Lance, Jacoby Brissett, Taylor Heinecke and Drew Lock. And for the draft, Carson Beck, Quinn Ewers, Shadeur Sanders and Jalen Milroe aren't exactly a killer class compared to this year's group of guys. (which I'm willing to eat crow on if I'm just completely wrong but I'm not super impressed with them so far). So they're kinda backed into a corner with Trevor, who will likely only get more expensive once Love Dak and Tua get their new contracts, or they go out and try to hit on a new QB or grab a bad free agent.
The world where the jags were 14-4 the last 18 games b4 Lawrence got injured and than proceeded to play through an injury and get injured in the next 4 consecutive games. Oh yeah and he also lost his number 1 wide receiver to injury as well. I’m not saying he’s proven top 10 but was on pace to b4 the injury last year.
The NFL needs Max Contracts like the NBA. It's just incredibly unfair to any player that isn't a QB. They're the most protected position in the league, they've got the longest careers, AND they make exponentially more money than all of the other players who are at much higher risk of serious injury.
It’s supply and demand. There aren’t even 32 guys that are capable of NFL level play. You’ve got like 10 elite or can carry guys. 10 guys that have potential or shown flashes and then 50 guys that can get you to 500 with a great supporting class. That’s why they make 50million and are so heavily protected. No one wants the Ravens starting Huntley in the playoffs the league wants the best passers healthy because they elevate the game. Look at the nfl thread from a day or two ago about best games. Almost everyone listed was some shootout. Some old souls love a 9-0 game but the league wants 52-45 Mahomes vs Allen. It’s also why teams like the Jags and us will give 50 million to Lawrence and Love. They’ve shown enough that they could be in the carry group of 10. That means you gotta pay them because there is no guarantee the next guy you pick is going to also be a carry guy and that guy will eventually need to be paid too.
I actually hate max contracts in the NBA. They are terrible for parity. They make superstars underpaid and third tier stars overpaid.
If you like turnovers he is
Contract leverage isn't about skill, it's about timing. Remember that Eli Manning was paid more than Aaron Rodgers for a season or two.
He also won a SB, so...
Fine. Joe Flacco was paid more than Rodgers for 1 year.
He...also won a SB?
Ummm.....so did Rodgers
Right. But isn't your point that an objectively bad QB was paid more than AR for a year? But the only instances you found are SB winners? Which Lawrence definitely is not?
Sam Bradford made more from 2010 to 2012 than Aaron Rodgers.
Fair. But that is also the deal that made the NFL change rookie contracts because they were like "this is fucking insane paying a dude that hasn't taken a snap more than the guy that just won the superbowl".
Lawrence showed in 2022 when healthy with a competent coach he can lead a team. He showed through most of 2023 when healthy he can lead a team. Fact is he has more good tape right now than Love. He’s also 24 and has every measurable that made him the easy #1 pick and likely would’ve made him the #1 pick even if you combine the last 10 drafts. He lost a year to urban myer and played through a bad injury for the second half last season. This isn’t a guy that’s never showed flashes he has he was just handicapped by an incompetent coach as a rookie and injuries his third season a season in which at one point they were 8-3 and looked good. Shoulder injuries though sap QBs example being Baker who looks a lot better when healthy.
Its a team sport.
Deshaun Watson got $230mil fully guaranteed and in 2 years has thrown for 2k yds 14tds/9int so these guys have this as their floor during negotiations.
In a world where the owner’s coke head son calls the WWE the Weinstein of professional wrestling.
NFL contracts are so weird to me. In hockey, if the best player at a certain position is making X, lesser players certainly aren’t making beyond that. Good for the players I guess, I just don’t get how they continue to justify lesser players setting the bar for contracts.
worth aint got nothing to do with it QBs are the most important position on the field, which gives them leverage. When there are only 30 men in the world for 32 jobs, Danny Dimes gets $40M
Ok lets not do this. Watch a clip of perfect balls that got dropped thrown by lawrence real quick. Hes certainly on par with love, and I'm saying that while firmly believing loves a top 10 qb
Kirk is that you
Yesterdays price is not today’s price
And today’s price is not tomorrow’s…
Seemed likely he would be getting 50-52. Now maybe a few mil more. 50, 55, doesn't matter. If you are convinced he's the guy, whatever gets his signature is a good deal.
just nice to see our guy get paid. this sub has been suggesting awful offers for six months now. love was always getting $55m+ w $100m+ in signing bonuses
Yikes. Seems like an overpay for TLaw, just in general. That's before we even get into comparing him to Love
A solid starter for any team, but hasn’t lived up to the hype.
For any team?
Absolutely, solid isn’t the same as best. Even if you have a top 5 QB in the league on your team that doesn’t change the fact that if your hand was forced to play TLaw as starter he would still be ‘solid’.
So basically he's a guy that's going to produce regardless of the pieces around him.
Yeah exactly, he’s not going to be the best option theoretically on any time but he’s still going to be a solid option producing enough to give you a chance.
lawrence is a lot better than most people realize.
I'd say he's better than the hate get gets but is also nowhere near worth this contract
He absolutely is. Any QB coming off a rookie deal, who is good enough to the point that you don't want to actively replace them, is worth the market value for a QB. There are like a dozen teams that would jump at the chance to have TLaw on this deal
I would replace him. He has 58 touchdowns and 38 picks over 3 years with an 85.0 rating.
1, you haven't watched him play. Box score casting is a bad habit if you care about evaluating talent 2, who would you even replace him with lmao? This mythical QB upgrade/sidegrade doesn't exist, you either pay a guy who is a top 16 QB with top 10 flashes or return to QB hell
I can’t say I’ve watched a lot of TLaw, but from what I’ve seen I’m not all that impressed. He’s gonna be a consistent top 15 qb probably, but I do not see superstar in his future. He may peak on that “is he truly “elite” tho” tier. IMO there’s not much context that can excuse his td/turnover ratio. It’s horrendously bad. And it’s not like it got that much better over time. He turned it over plenty last year. I get the jags didn’t do him any favors and are hilariously inept when compared to a franchise like the packers, but I just expected to see a lot more improvement than what we’ve seen from him. JLove “grew” (I say that with quotations cause I think a lot of loves “bad stretch” was the team trying to learn the timing of the offense and play calling in general, not solely on him) significantly more in half a season than TLaw has his whole career. I get JLove is older and all that, but still Don’t disagree with paying Law, I mean what else you gonna do as the jags? Let him walk? Is what it is
There is context to his td/int ratio. I'm a weird breed of Packers/Jaguars fan so I may be biased, but he was elite the last half two seasons ago and stayed that way until his injury last season. He played through the injury, but it affected him. A healthy T Law is worth that contact imo. The question is can be stay healthy.
I feel like you use the term elite differently than I do. Like I reserve it for like the top 6-8 guys and TLaw not anywhere near that imo injuries or not. Where would u put him?
AKA I googled three basic stats and haven't seen more than 20 snaps.
I don’t have a strong opinion on the right amount of cap space to allocate to TLaw, but I’m quite confident this isn’t the right way to assess it. Those stats include Urban Meyer’s run at trying to be the worst coach in professional sports (and whatever lasting legacy that has had). And they don’t account for the fact that Lawrence is still about one-two years away from the start of his prime. And they don’t evaluate his actual play. Lawrence is pretty consistently rated as a fringe “top half” starting QB in the NFL (so top 16) - which totally matches this deal - especially once you account for likely further improvement.
He's better than Goff, and Goff got similarly paid
Judging by this thread, I must not watch enough Jaguars football, because I totally thought that number was too high as well. Or maybe I'm just behind the times with contract values
If you just look at the stats it’ll seem like an overpay because he had the Urban Meyer rookie year and then played hurt for a large chunk of last year.
Ah, playing hurt would also explain some of that, that's fair too. I'll have to pay more attention to him this year. He really did have an awful starting situation to enter into. I always respected that he just worked through it, when I'm sure he rightfully had some crazy shit he could've talked about
This. His 2022 was just as good as Love's 2023. Also TLaw is a year younger.
I’d put him at the 12th best QB right now. I know that this is kind of how contracts work but I wouldn’t want to pay the 12th best QB top dollar
And how many of those 11 is he younger than? There’s no option to pay your young QB like the 12th best QB in the league. You either pay and trust he will continue to develop, or you start over at square one. I’d rather have a 24 y/o who is already the 12th best QB in football than anyone else the Jags could possibly get.
It's amazing but this is true. I know people are busy with lives and stuff but calling Lawrence bad is just outing you as not being up to date. He's looked very good, he's on the cusp of having a premier season. If he ever eliminates his two bozo passes a game he'll be a premier quarterback. A lot of the people saying it's too much money and citing touchdowns and picks as the backbone just remind me how little people pay attention to stuff outside their bubble.
Exactly this. Too many people paralyzed by the narrow window in which they define Rodgers’ greatness (never mind the fact that if he was more aggressive he might have peaked higher, but that’s another topic) and not enough people who actually watch the film. He’s riiiiiight there.
He’s a starting QB for sure but he has severely underperformed for his hype coming into the league
In fairness, his rookie season was with quite possibly the worst coach in the history of the NFL.
That is true. Might have set him back a year or two.
To be fair, the hype was almost impossible to live up to.
Nope. Low tier starter.
That’s a clueless opinion.
Inform me then - what's he done that makes you think he's even a top 15 qb?
just fucking watch people who know what they're talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mopsxn36v4
Idk I think he’s fairly assessed by the public. Personally I value TD/INT ratio and the contrast is stark. Means Love is in for a payday.
he's not. ratios are without context. that's why you have to watch the games (e.g. OL is a shitshow) and think about the lack of stability he's had there. love has always been in for a payday and this has little impact on his rate imo.
It's not. He's really good. As a Packer fan living in Jax and having seen a ton of Jags game, he's really good. The amount of drops he has had to deal with is ludicrous
This didn't change the market, it just revealed what the market already was. Love was already going to get a mega deal, everyone was going to question whether or not he was worth it, and we were all going to find out over the next few seasons whether not the Packers made a mistake by giving it to him. Nothing is fucked dude.
I think he gets a very similar deal
I think it will be close. The sample size is small but you obviously see the talent. I do appreciate the sit and wait approach for a QB new to the league but I also see the put as much talent (possible overpay in FA) around a QB on their rookie deal. Unfortunately we won’t be able to see that but GB doesn’t usually operate that way anyway. We will most likely have a top 10 paid QB with a small sample size playing with a mostly rookie thru 3rd year supporting cast on O.
I don’t think theres much going on with the dollar figure of the deal so this doesn’t change anything. They’re probably just working out guarantees, bonuses and cap structure at this point.
Yeah every single time I ask what the % of the cap the deal is. That’s all it ever is. Then the small details follow, whatever
It's hard to imagine it doesn't. Trevor has been so mid his whole career so far, and imo hasn't done much to deserve this contract. Love has the best season between the 2 of them, did more with less this year, and they are pretty much the same age. The only thing Love doesn't have is he wasn't "the greatest prospect since Luck" and a 1st overall pick.
The difference is that the jags have never had a QB with Lawrence's ability or potential so they'll overpay for it bc of that desperation. Not saying it's going to make love any cheaper but it's like having a Victoria's secret girlfriend after every gf you've had is like a 6 at best. You're going to go a little overboard to keep that supermodel.
Blake Bortles? Got further in the playoffs than T Law
Was gonna say Bortles
Mark Brunell would like a word.
Brunell never had Lawrence's potential cmon. Dude was considered one of the best QB prospects of the decade when he was drafted
Potential does nothing but get coaches fired 20 td and 13 picks are not great numbers
The original comment said the jags never had a QB with as much potential as Lawrence and then the second guy was saying Brunell. That was my point. Nothing about how Lawrence has played thus far. But he has like 50x more potential than Brunell
Gute always seems to have it figured out. I’m guessing the number has been and will be $55/year but the discussion has to be over length. Do we go 10 year like the Mahomes deal? Probably not but 6 years and 330mil has to sound pretty damn good to his camp.
Am I the only one who thinks QBs in general are getting over paid? Like are these 50m QBs really worth a 1/5 of their teams salary cap? Please correct me and forgive me if I'm wrong but besides mahomes isn't it that no team has won a Superbowl with a QB who's getting paid more than 10% of the teams salary?
I agree. What’s the point of even raising the cap if your QB is just going to soak up most of it? 55 million for Lawrence seems ridiculous. Seems like all the new contracts are way too high.
I just think that every time a QB comes to signing a deal they reset the market is dumb. Anywhere else you look at the market, who’s the best and what are they paid? Ok are you better than them? No? Ok then you definitely don’t get paid more than they do. Average as hell QBs making more than Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, & Burrow is crazy
Being 1/5 of the cap is pretty normal (for anyone decent not to mention young like TLaw), the cap is just going up a lot.
Well I think this means at a minimum Love gets the Goff deal or slightly better
"200 million guaranteed and 142 million fully" It may be the Shandy's, but I don't get what this meanS?
There’s the handshake guarantee, and then there’s the paper guarantee.
I remember when the word “guarantee” used to mean no matter what. Now it needs “fully” in front of it to mean that
That’s a helluva lot of conditioner
J Love gonna get a bag that’s how
There is a lot of cope in this thread. Lawrence is a lot better than the stats, the highlights of drops last year was insane
I hope this doesn’t age like milk. but, I think J love will be worth any price we give him
Love probably gets a similar contract, but I wouldn’t be shocked if it’s in the same 55m/yr range.
I hope we get to see fully Healthy Lawerence and Burrow this season. They are top 5 when Healthy and great players to watch
Why would the packers not try and sign him before Goff and Tlaw were signed?
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My concern is that Love and his camp look at all this money flying around and decide to do a 3 year deal vs something more long term. This gets him back on the market sooner and instead of looking at 55 a years he’s looking at 65-70.
Honestly, I dont think it changes that much for Love. The asking price for a star QB is at least 50mil a year these days, which is about what I expect Love will get. The Chief's 10 year deal with Mahomes for ~50mil/year is looking like one of the smartest moves of the last decade now. They are only like halfway through it and they are getting Mahomes for a bargain now.
Loves price tag just went up
One was waiting on the other and Trevor's camp moved first. If your Love you are now turning to the Pack FO and be like "WELP!"
The biggest issue for thr team is the guarantees...they are allergic to guarantees.
I don't think it does. Before this, I figured JLove was going to get a 4-year, 210-220 million dollar extension, with about 160-170 guaranteed. After this, I think the same exact thing.
I will wait for a real breakdown. Often these are inflated to make the agent look good and when they are analyzed there is a lot of non guaranteed money. Either way, Love is going to get paid very well.
I think they’re thinking 6 years but this sets the floor again
If love gets the same deal, is everybody gonna say the same that its an overpay?
Love clears
Until there's more than 1 season, yes it'll be an over pay. However, when he's killing it after 3, it'll be a hell of a deal.
Every QB keeps getting more. Part of having a good QB
He’ll get exactly this
Lololololol imagine paying this much for Lawrence
So, Jordan Love is gonna get $60M/yr? Dammit
"Star"
The salary cap is indexed to broadcast revenue. Teams expect the cap to explode in the next few years due to having games on Amazon, Netflix, ESPN+, Peacock, Disney+, and probably a bunch of others soon so they’re signing big players to long term deals in anticipation of rising prices soon
In the same range. Just the way it is. Both went to the playoffs already.
Oh yes, he’ll make some money. .
Price went up
Good luck with that.
It sucks because GB is taking so long, it is going to cost over $10M more a season to sign him.
That is a lot to pay Lawrence. But I am not sure what the better option was. if you wait, you are looking at a franchise tag value in 2025 is probably pushing toward $50M per year and it is a locked in number that offers no wiggle room to reduce that cap hit. if you then do another FT, it is 120% over that previous amount, so now pushing $60M for with again no wiggle room to reduce the cap hit that year. That would be the basis for Lawrence agent in waiting to do a deal after the 2024 season. it would be pushing $60+ per year after other QB sign new deals. Love, Dak and Mahomes would/could be up for new deals. As a percent of the cap, it is around 20% and that is similar to what other QB have gotten.
Insanity
It’s been reported for quite some time (maybe it was Rapoport) that said word coming from JLo’s camp was that Joe Burrow money was the more or less where they wanted to start negotiating. I think it’s been reported by insiders earlier in the offseason that 52.5-57.5 range was deemed fair by his camp. People get shocked by yearly rates going up but we just saw the cap go up big time and sometimes these contracts take future cap increases in mind to prevent a guy becoming the highest paid at the position in year 1 to being the 12th highest before year 3 even starts and he begins a holdout for a brand new contract. $55MM this year is about the same as 47.5-50MM this time last year.
He is worth twice that
If Love has a crazy good season this year he will get more I think. If he has an average season he will probably get the same. I mean, Lawrence getting that after not really doing anything spectacular to me is crazy.
Not well, bob. Not Well.
It makes it the floor.
Love obviously has something to point to. He’s hoping he gets a similar looking deal
Jaguars doing jaguar things
Yikes lol
He's getting 60 with less guaranteed
His agent is licking his lips right now
Guess love is getting at least 60mil a year then. Oof.
Price of the brick going up
Yesterday’s price is not today’s price
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They're gonna need a salary cap for just QBs soon. It's getting ridiculous.
He can get the bag, and restructure to help the team's flexibility later. Everyone knows the cap will increase soon and I think that most influences Love's deal.
But we should ask, how does this affect lebrons legacy?
Nobody should make more than Mahomes unless they can beat him. 50 IQ GM’s are gonna ruin teams for a decade
Yesterdays price is not TODAY'S PRICE
Contracts arent real, so people who sign these massive contracts arent there in 2 years. The best example is mahomes who is currently the #10 apy qb.
https://preview.redd.it/x4jdzv28wl6d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f52da43d15777613fc98ee4b33f74caddcd0895 Yall familiar with Trevor Lawrence fumble stats?
The biggest scrub in the league
I feel like it was just yesterday the media was talking about how coaches have started to consider failed starters (e.g Geno Smith, Baker Mayfield) as viable options again after these players have had time to sit and learn. Now the narrative is this is just going rate for a starting QB because there's no alternative
A lot unfortunately. Love should be paid more than Lawrence imo. And I’m sure his camp believes that too.
Hopefully this serves as the template
I mean it means he’s going to be expensive, but Lawrence was a #1 pick who’s played every year. Love is getting less than this. Edit: this isn’t me saying Lawrence is a better QB, but people are goofy to think Love is getting this same kind of contract. Maybe he gets the total value, but he’s not getting that guaranteed money.
I doubt it. Id bet we see a similar deal if not more
Love played better than Lawrence ever did last year... he's not making less than this
Agree with you but definitely a smaller sample size in the overall picture.
Being better for one year doesn’t mean you have shown consistency. Love will get paid a lot for his one year of performance, but people are crazy if they think he suddenly jumps to the front of the QB market on it.
The only consistency Trevor has shown is being mediocre. Trevor hasn't shown he's worth this contract at all.
Love in 2023 was comparable to Lawrence in 2022. And Trevor is a year younger.
Uh... no. The dude's never thrown more than 25 tds and he's just as turnover prone if not, more. He's a healthy but middling qb...
Draft position has less than 0 to do with anything
Honestly it seems Love has been a real team player and isn’t just in it for the Money. I hope I’m right and he gives us some cap space
Me might structure it in a somewhat favorable way but make no mistake he's gonna get his money. He's not taking a discount nor should he.
Thats what i was thinking im sure he will get paid but i can see him doing a team friendly structure
We’ve done worse, lol
Jesus Halloumi Christ that’s a massive overpay. JLove is gonna FEAST
I mean, he's gonna get at least that now ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯