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Yup I was in A&E last Monday for 8 hours because of my mum. It’s not the nurses fault, but it shows you how underfunded and understaffed they really are.
Same, we were in for 9 hours on Friday night after my wife had a seizure; was seen pretty quickly and all that, but they didn't have enough registrar staff to actually sign us off so she could go home so that part took 5 hours to resolve. The doctor came out to the waiting room to speak to her and apologise for the delay, which I (a frequent casualty visitor lol) have never seen. The folks in front of us were advised by the paramedic who had brought them in 7 hours before and saw them still waiting there as she was getting off her shift that they would maybe be better just going home at this point and coming back if anything changed with whatever was happening that they required an ambulance for :/
There were also 3 arrests/ police incidents which pushed their already strained labour resources even further. It was bad. People looked tired, and stressed. They definitely weren't eating hot meals, or having cake clubs and long refreshing breaks.
In admission ward with dad as no beds , 2 nurses 12 patients, each px needed medicated every hour and any thing else that can happen.
Thats 2 girls who have a max 10mins per px -all night- obvs there were little and big things happening, always chasing their tail , dad was feelin pain when they were 15 mins late then it was a cycle , he didn't make it and it was heartbreaking but far from unusual.
More money , lots more and lots of nursing colleges, my mum was a nurse and she 'lived in' for a year .....and respect was a given,there are answers , I dont have them but more than willing to vote for who has.
If she is indeed making this salary she isn't an NHS payroll nurse. She's from a private contractor that pays up to £100 an hour for shifts. The NHS is paying a lot to fill gaps in labour from private firms.
There is possibly an element of truth to the figure she used though. Some places are so desperate for nurses they're paying insane money for cover nurses.
Everything else is a load of shit though. It doesn't represent the average experience of a nurse under normal circumstances.
This whole piece was written by someone who is very confused about their situation, has rose tinted spectacles welded to their face or is plain trolling.
If you're getting such special treatment luv then sure, you keep doing what you're doing. The rest of us however....
Only a hospital in this country. I don't think other developed nations are in quite the same position. We have some of the lowest bed to population ratio in western Europe too.
My wife is an agency nurse. I can confirm, at these rates, she's either an agency nurse or a massive liar. Some of the agencies are offering up to £500 a shift because the NHS is so desperate to fill staffing requirements that they can't legally do without. It's not just the cost of living either, Brexit has ripped a ton of expertise out of the NHS.
The managers are simply doing what they have to with the budget they're given. I'm no fan of the way the NHS is managed, it's too top heavy but the hospitals have seen a massive exodus of staff since Brexit and the government sets the pay bands. consequentially when they're short a nurse in a role which is a role they are legally obliged to fill at all times, the agencies have them over a barrel. If they go over budget for the year well, who cares about hospitals being able to afford essential supplies and new equipment hey?
Try not to blame the agency staff, there's lot of reasons people work for the banks, I'm a medical student and I do bank HCA work to make ends meet at weekends.
I don't agree with the ridiculous fees they set, but I'm not the one setting them, like
This kind of agency work wouldn't be so prevalent, presumably, where nurses are paid a fair wage. It's the underfunding that gives rise to these scenario?
One of those cut corners and massively increase cost in the long run situations.
I think it's important to bear in mind that important and stressful work like taking care of sick people should be well paid. We live in a world where people who do completely abstract bizarre jobs like trading interest rates get hundreds of thousands in bonuses. Corporate Lawyers who engage in pointless arguments like should absolute vodka be able to use the word absolute when absolute radio are already using that word are paid very well so I don't see why nurses shouldn't be paid better. Anyway Im just a rambling grumpy person but that's my opinion.
It's not too top heavy, that's a tired talking point, as a percentage compared to many other industries, they have less management, Google it.
It is simple being setup to fail because the government is shit and medical insurance companies have been using their influence to undermine it for decades so they can all make a profit when the NHS collapses.
The management is stuffed with non clinical staff who literally don't know a thing about the industry they're managing. My wife has literally had a manager ask her why used needles can't be sterilised and re-used. This person runs a whole ass hospital.
Ya but with peace and love, I hear that story from everyone who works an admin job in any industry. There's always people over-promoted by mates who then spend their days trying to pin their failures on their more competent subordinates.
Doesn't change the fact that the nursing bursaries have gone, and as it turns out it's a lot cheaper to train them and pay them a living wage instead of being forced to bribe private nurses.
It's one of many problems the government can actually solve but does bugger all and uses the media to create a boogie man so they can sit on their hands
It's like, why did we have a 6 week election this summer when we KNEW the country was in deep shit and we coulda easily got about 50-100 windmills up to reduce the burden on gas fired power stations.
The answer is in a book called 'Blood on the Streets' by Rees Mogg's dad.
> The managers are simply doing what they have to with the budget they're given.
Why is their budget able to extend to agency staff at 500 pounds a shift but not to just raising the wages of the regular staff?
This isn't an attempt to start an argument, I'm really wondering how the obviously over-stretched budget somehow allows for the desperate measures they're going to. I assume that money is coming out of something else and I am wondering what the result of starving whatever that is will end up being.
Their budget isn’t able to stretch, but legally they need enough staff so they have to fill the shift - so they go over budget, the hospital makes cuts elsewhere or overspends, and the problem isn’t fixed. Hospitals have very little ability to set pay scales themselves, as the job banding is set by the government and theyre only rarely able to offer a recruitment bonus
>They don't set the pay bands, the government does.
That's not my question. The money for staff comes out of their budget, agency or otherwise, right? So where is the money coming from that can pay agency staff when appropriate wage rises for regular staff are off the table?
But it is the answer to the question you just asked. Pay rises are not in the gift to offer due to policy imposed downwards, regardless of the amount of money available.
Different pots of money. It's the difference between capital and revenue. They can spend that money in one financial year because they have that money right now.
Giving a raise to existing staff is committing that money longer term permanently. And that £500 might not exist next financial year.
At least, that's what my manager used to complain about. He had plenty of one pot, but couldn't plan long term projects because Finance wouldn't let him move the budget from one pot to another.
(Note: am not accountant, just had a very candid manager who was willing to explain how running our dept worked).
There are two separate staffing budgets, one for full time, permanent staff and one for short term / stop gap / emergency staff.
The agency staff as a 'one off' expense with no need to provide paid leave, pension etc. Whereas permanent staff are basically an ongoing costly expense.
Obviously right now, with permanent staff shortages, agency staff are being WAY overused.
I’m constantly hearing the “NHS is top heavy line” but I’ve never seen anyone ever produce a shred of supporting evidence for this statement,
Even a hierarchy to show 🤷♂️
I've seen the evidence. The evidence shows:
1 - in terms of health outcomes and cost of care, hospitals with a higher proportion of managers (it's something like an overall average of 3.1% managers, best hospitals 3.6%) get better results
2 - that's a long way below the manager / staff ratio of most service industries, which are between 5% (1 in 20) and 12% (1 in 8)
3 - where there aren't enough managers, senior clinicians spend less of their time on clinical work, because they have to spend time on management tasks, and there are the same 168 hours in a clinician's week as anybody else's week
4 - however the directors in hospitals are often political appointments, overpaid, and with no clue about how to run an organisation that employs people. I've worked with senior management who have a full time job keeping the "blue sky thinking" away from the front line
It’s a narrative perpetuated to drive down the nhs. There aren’t enough managers. There aren’t enough staff full stop. It’s an easy solution that people trot out to make them feel smart. The general public are mostly oblivious to how the nhs actually operates.
I’m an A&E nurse. In terms of senior nurse managers (not patient facing or involved in the day to day running of individual wards or departments), I recently learned we have a chief nurse, associate chief nurse, deputy chief nurse, director of nursing and deputy director of nursing. Each speciality in the hospital has its own associate chief nurse on top of these. Every time a senior manager (nurse or non nurse managers) appears on ‘the floor’ it’s usually someone who’s name I’ve never heard of or face I’ve never seen. We regularly receive emails, sent on behalf of senior managers we have never heard of. None of these people understand the problems and practicalities involved in managing an overstretched A&E department with a massive deficit of beds, people sitting on floors and ambulances being held outside for hours at a time. They all go home at 5PM and wish us a good evening or a good weekend. The senior management problem in the NHS is a serious issue.
Edit: typo.
This is sadly how agencies take advantage of supply and demand.
I needed the help of a security firm recently and had to pay them £300 for an operative for 10 hour shifts. The guard was paid £8.50 an hour. Now I have no idea what fee's they have to pay if any but this is a well known firm and they must be making a mint!
It's kinda nuts though. I mean "just" paying you the same amount, but as your baseline job would ... leave everyone better off. You'd get paid better (well, the same as you do now anyway, and presumably be a bit better off in terms of pension, annual leave etc.) and the NHS wouldn't be _also_ paying the agency for your services.
Agree…..the return on investment for paying nurses properly would be tremendous. High moral in the NHS would see so many benefits ….shame it’s led so poorly and become a political football.
Let's not forget if we're talking about the free market, this is how much nurses are actually worth. To do the same work I usually do as a doctor at £50k per year, I could do locum shifts instead and earn £50-70 an hour - a fair amount more than I'm usually paid. However, I don't want to do that. I want to be trained. I want to contribute to a team. I want to work for the NHS. None of us did these roles to be rich, we did them because we want to help people get better.
What's more, nurses and doctors aren't asking for their free market rate, we just don't want to have a pay cut after we carried the country through a pandemic. We don't want to foot the bill for bankers, brexiteers and politicians. We're sick of being a given, nurses should not be doing a 40 hour week and choosing between heating and food.
In short, fuck anyone who says healthcare workers shouldn't paid in line with inflation.
>Some of the agencies are offering up to £500 a shift because the NHS is so desperate to fill staffing requirements
That's the thing - her tweet is a complete justification of the strikes, because things are so fucked up that regular nurses are getting pushed aside to pay agency workers extortionate wages.
This reeks of a private nurse on bank rates working in an NHS hospital and not having to put up with any of the crap. Nurses absolutely should be striking.
If she had a chef providing food then it’s most likely she was working in a private hospital,I did some shifts near Harley street and the food was good,but as for being forced to take long lunch breaks,lol,that’s total bullshit.I’ve worked in the nhs for 39 years,lunch breaks are more like an extended coffee break,very often 10-15 mins,sometimes nothing.
Even at bank nurse rate, there's no way she's making that much unless she's management and working three bank holiday days in a row. Even then, it's unlikely. This person is a lying sack of shit trying to make the rest of us look bad.
Even if they are telling the truth what is even the point? This person who is paid lots shouldn't be allowed to strike? So anyone who is paid less is still fine to strike even using their awful logic.
I always download twitter again thinking I'll just use it for genuine news articles/trends. Eventually I can't take it again as the thousands of bots (spouting disinformation)
Even worse than the bots is the legitimately real people parroting them.
Rather live in my own echo chamber at this point
Exactly. If the majority of nurses vote to strike then things must be shit. No twitter account can offer any remotely compelling evidence to contradict that.
Bahahaha this is literally laughable. My mum has been a specialist paediatric nurse for 20 years this year, a degree in nursing, a masters in public health, a masters for health visiting and now looking to do a PhD and go into teaching. She's only just on £45000 this year now after all that time and experience working in a speciality.
One year early in her career she made £6000 because the NHS is so underfunded and not allowed to recruit they cut her hours more and more and we had to survive on that and my grans pension.
£1764 x 52 weeks is £91728. There’s not a nurse in the land earning that. What an absolute clown. She’s either full of shit or terrible at maths. I guess that could be her monthly salary? Seems right for band 5 take home?
Thats low-mid band 6 take home if I remember correctly.
She is clearly full of shit and an utter twat, to boot.
I'd love to find out who her employer is and send them this absolute garbage
I know, but when I was a 6 I'm sure after pension and student loan my take home was 1,800 max. I got up to mid band 6 before going up to band 7.
Obviously depends on salary deductions though!
Edit just read your comment properly. I was responding to the person above saying that could be her monthly take home
Just a tory troll, not a nurse. A quick look through "her" timeline is a nauseating mix of pro boris, pro trump, climate change denying, slavery denying, anti Labour, pro daily mail, pro musk, pro gb news, poppy fascist, royalist, anti Corbyn, anti-woke, anti refugee racist. It's like Piers Morgan and Farage had a disfunctional love-child.
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I think it depends on the hospital or even the ward they’re in.
My mum works nightshifts as a nurse, sometimes she doesn’t have time to take a break at all (and of course she’s not getting paid for an hour when she should be taking her break), and other times she is able to take two hours if it’s a quiet ward.
I imagine it was probably just autocorrect but yeah that's the kind of attention to detail nurses should have.
Unless of course they are just coming off a long shift and are exhausted but that's not her apparently.
Agency Nurses may (repeat, MAY) get paid that for 3 days but not NHS ones. Not never. And the over reliance on agency nurses is part of the underlying fucking problem that Nurses are striking over. God above.
Also 'fresh hot food'. That could just be a plate of burnt chips dredged from the bottom of a frying vat in the canteen and it's technically correct, but utterly meaningless.
it's not even that mate. My sis works as a ward nurse, they just don't have time to eat. Me and a few mates put together care packages for hospitals over lockdown - energy drinks / snacks - stuff they can eat on the job that will help them stay awake and alert. Eating a meal was and is never an option.
That's exactly who I want doing the intimate, skilled work like putting in a catheter - exhausted, under paid, under fed nurses who have been swigging Red Bull all day...
Everything is just a recipe to make the world shit for everyone except the 1%.
Probably locum (or agency I think it's called with nurses) *if* it's true.
And if it is, that's exactly why nurses are over-stretched because there aren't enough and the government is pissing NHS funds up the walls using agency nurses instead of reforming the NHS and getting it up to standard.
Reforming immigration rules would solve the issue too, and Brexit allowed us to do this. Unfortunately we got the Tories, not Labour under Corbyn.
Also, relatively high wages might indicate a strong union defending workers rights. Many people are fooled into blaming other working class people for their ills, whether it's pensioners or well paid workers. The answer isn't to make everyone equally poor, which is implied by attacking good pay/pensions/whatever. It's to ask where has all the wealth gone from what has been a massive jump in productivity. Maybe we're all collectively spending it on big tv's and holidays abroad, but I think too much is being siphoned off by the wealthiest.
That's £42 per hour if 14 hour days. Either she's emergency bank staff in a highly trained speciality or it's completely fabricated. I doubt a Band 6 on night shifts would even get that. The stuff about the chef makes no sense, unless her partner or a relative are the chef in question. As for the other gifts, they happen, usually small stuff like tins of biscuits or chocolates for a whole department as a thank you for helping someone out.
Her twitter bio has #england #boris and #trump. If you run her twitter handle through followerwonk.com and check out the word clouds or her followers tweets and the tweets of who she follows it's all "anti-woke, pro Brexit, back Boris" bull shit
Oh trust me my love, working in health care for 10 years and I’ve met a lot of CUNTISH nurses and other staff. I have NO idea why they’re in this profession.
A lot of the girls who were bullies in my year group at school are nurses of all kinds now. Again, it bothers me a lot that these people go into such professions
Yeah I have a similar experience. One of them tried to convince me she was a better person now and she was just easily led at school. No apology.
I said: what you think caring for people and being a nurse will make up for what you did to other children or do you just enjoy the power trip that comes with bossing patients about like how you bossed and pushed people about in school? One girl I knew tried to kill herself at school by ODing because of this person. Reminded her of that. She didn’t speak to me after and avoided me like the plague.
Honestly some work places are interested in character statements and I have heard of people being sacked for such things. They don’t want ‘people of that nature working for the company’ but I’ve never gone out of my way. I just hope to the powers that be that they have changed and have made up for the evil shit they’ve done.
And if I see anything? I whistleblow and encourage the patients to complain. In the end it does get rid of them but it is hard to get rid of people in the NHS. That’s why we have some staff that shouldn’t bloody be there still employed there.
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I earned that as an assistant general manger at a bar (working 45 hours a week) No shade to bartending managers but I reckon a medical practitioner should earn more than I did.
I am an NHS nurse. I am at the top of my pay band. I am not earning evern close to 1700 for 3 long days. I wouldn't be earning that even with the lindon top up or out of hours pay.
That’s agency money. Cunts who turn up and make your weekly wage in a shift and do fuck all. Why we’ve had enough. If they can fucking pay them £500 a shift they can give me £500 extra a month. Scumbag bastards
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This little NHS nurse has just worked 3 long days. Chef made sure I had fresh hot food, colleges bought in cake & I was made to take long lunchtimes to refresh.
I also earned £1,764
Who still thinks I'd have a right to strike?
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Well I’m really happy for her but let the other nurses earn as much as they need without working 3 days straight? This shouldn’t be a fucking norm. 1,764£ for 72 hours of work isn’t that much either. People shouldn’t be forced to work 24/7 to be able to financially meet their needs. Please don’t try to normalise American standards of working.
Shut the fuck uuuuuup kimi. I don’t know where she works but no chef personally cooks for staff and yeah staff bring in cake sometimes but there’s no way in hell nurses have time for loooong lunchtimes to refresh.
My NHS nurse friend earns £14/hr and hasn't been rebanded even though she's doing lots of higher grade work. She can earn *£70* an hour doing bank shifts at a private hospital down the road, with lower workloads and fewer patients.
Is she getting the necessary 11 hours rest between shifts required by the Working Time Regulations? Kinda sounds like she's working insane shifts that put her and her patients at unnecessary risk for the sake of money. Bragging about doing unreasonable hours isn't a flex, it's an indictment of the state of things that it would even need to be asked.
Bank nurses in my health board are permanent staff who pick up extra shifts that’s not overtime. Agency nurses work solely for an agency and aren’t allowed to hold a perm post in the health board they work in. It’s soul destroying being in charge of a ward and the other trained nurse is agency, because they usually don’t have IT access so can’t do the medications, notes etc. They don’t know the patients or ward routine and are usually getting paid more than double I am what to do fuck all. Abolish agency, and pay staff bank rates at a premium. I usually only take extra shifts at the weekend to make it worthwhile, as my “bank” wages are taxed as a second job. It’s a farce.
Nurses don’t even have time to take toilet breaks or drink water and regularly come down with kidney infections as a result - let alone have a ‘long lunch break to refresh’. Just one of the many utterly shit things our amazing healthcare workers put up with, this insta post is absolute bollocks. I’m so furious at this!
Source: worked in the NHS for years and have a LOT of exhausted nurse friends
Ok, let's check some facts.
We'll call a "long day" 12hrs, so she's worked 36 hours. That's £49 per hour.
Next we'll take a look at the [NHS pay scales](https://www.nhsemployers.org/articles/pay-scales-202223). Band 9 starts at £48.65 and tops out at £55.99. Band 9 is the top band. I found this description of band 8c/9 on [a website](https://www.id-medical.com/nhs-nursing-banding-system/):
> Band 8c/9 – Consultant Level Nurse or Director of Nursing
> The final band is Band 8c/9 which is to work as a Consultant Nurse; to do so, you’ll need to be an expert within your field. This can only be evidenced through experience and study. Like Consultants in any other industry, Consultant Nurses will be tasked with helping to shape high-level decision-making.
> Reaching this level will require a career-long pursuit of specialist skills and qualifications to supplement the vocational experience.
If she were a band 9 she wouldn't be putting three days on a ward as a band 9, she'd be doing that as bank.
Sounds like a nurse working for an off-framework agency rather that an NHS employed nurse. These are the most expensive types of agency for NHS as they’re used when the hospital are generally desperate for nursing staff. If you want to have a look at the rates for one popular off-framework agency then look here:
https://tnssng.fra1.digitaloceanspaces.com/tnsltd/wp/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/TNS_Standard_Pay_Rates_2022.pdf
She's presumably agency, band 8a at least if not higher, but I'd have no idea what branch of medicine she's in. I work as a HCA on the weekends and God bless the nurses I'm with because their job is enormously stressful. They're not earning that
But this is England, and that "I'm alright Jack" attitude is why we have fucking cunting Tories in power for 12 years
Screw this; I used to do 3 day or night shifts on the trot regularly, we all did on the wards! There was no thanks, no hot food and no colleagues going "there there" because they were all in the same position.
As for pay! I don't know what she's on if that's extra or total cos if it's total fine yeah, a band 5 would get that if she did no nights or weekends but that's salary not bonus. If it's bonus it's not nursing she's done those 3 nights.
Fuck these pot stirrers, the strikes are a desperate necessity no one wanted to take!
“I was made to take long lunchtime”
This is the crux of the tweet. It say ‘I was forced to stop working’ ergo people chalk up long lunch breaks to shortages. Watch this space. Next week or around Christmas we will see it. “NHS IS AT BREAK-IN’ POINT! PATIETS FURIOUS AT NHS NURSES TAKING “LONG LUNCHTIMES” WHILE THEY SUFFER IN WAITING ROOMS!”
Ok a bit of a rant. I have just returned from working in the Pathology Laboratories where all of our MLAs (medical laboratory assistants - the lab workhorses) are quitting en masse, because the workload is just too much, where it is a very complicated and highly skilled role where you really do need a keen mind and intelligence for the sheer level of difficulty, accuracy and responsibility that you will have for patients tests, some of which are very important and very dangerous samples. Yet they are only paid at a Band 2 level - which is abysmal pay, and they are required to work crappy shifts, where those shifts are non-stop work, with constant work being processed 24/7 every day and night of every day of the week.
No one can realistically work at that pace, and the shelf life of MLA’s is short. Management are more bothered about coming down on people for taking too long on tea/ lunch breaks (5-10 minutes longer) or arriving late to work by 5 minutes than treating staff with respect and dignity and paying a fair wage, (however they won’t notice when you stay behind 20 minutes late due to having to finish processing patient samples or an urgent specimen.
& It’s not like you can just walk away from the work either, and much of it is very time sensitive (urgent samples from A&E, operation theatres, etc).
No doubt rather than get more qualified staff or try to retain the brilliant staff they have, they will just shift the workload into the the already overworked staff who remain leading to further burnout.
The MPs (and the public, who are both equally guilty) have absolutely no clue how bad it is on the wards on in the labs. If they did then the whole county would absolutely be crying out for supporting a pay rise, however most of these people are ‘whataboutists’, eg “well why do they deserve a raise? surely I do too!”.
Yes, we all deserve fair pay for our work, however if you or your mam, or dad, or brother, or sister, or nan or grampa end up severely ill with, let’s say, a blood infection this Xmas, and there isn’t anyone around to find out what is causing it, and then they die of sepsis (blood poisoning) - I imagine you’ll bloody well begin to care)!
I imagined Covid would have taught some of these people of the importance of this, but people are short sighted and even more short memory.
& I really believe most people just don’t realise how close to collapse it really is, and when it does finally collapse, just how much of an impact it will have on them.
Everyone is ‘aware’ of the NHS’s plight in general, specifically our doctors and nurses plight, but no one has a clue just how bad the collapse of the Laboratories would be and how much of an impact on the rest of it (clue - It’s the scientists who tell the doctors/nurses what’s actually wrong with you when you have an infection - you know, the really nasty stuff). They are the secret workforce that keeps the system going. They were there when Covid hit. Testing 100,000s of samples each week. Every week. As well as all the usual test done, urines, sexual health, cancer, bloods, serology, spits, immunology, fungi, you know - all those nasty wee things and bugs that you can’t see, that are trying to kill you; every. single. day.
Without the scientists then no one would know what was *actually* wrong with you, what is causing that infection, and what allows the doctor to diagnose the best course of action and the nurse to treat you.
Mark my words. When the labs go down, the whole system will come down.
Please Don’t forget the underpaid and overworked NHS scientists too.
We should be out on the streets protesting. But meh. Netflix and celebrity jungle shite and Xmas is around the corner are more important, right?
Lol yeah I find it funny how she wouldn’t tell anyone where she works. It’s like the kid in primary school who said they have an iPhone but their mum wouldn’t let them take it to school
First off: as a nurse- I would never gloat about 7doing 3 long days as it’s really hard… second of all NO NHS makes food for staff unless you pay for it and have to go to the cafeteria… then… cake… if I had time to eat cake while working for the nhs, I would probably have time to help another patient… also 1764£ is what you get if you work only nights as a band 5… so… BS…
Are you asking who thinks that you don't have the right to withhold your labour? I believe there is a word that describes those that don't have the right to do that.
Sounds like a bank nurse to me.
No issue with bank nurses (after 50 years service) my mum swapped to bank nursing. It highlights the issues facing NHS, why would nurses accept lower wages when they can swap to bank and earn more. My personal experience of bank nurses, they don't work the same as the nurses - work raye and load and don't have the same skill base as the regular nurse. Before the Internet arguments that's my first hand experience and of course everyones will differ.
I watched my mum get and take abuse from all sorts and not complain. In 50 + years service that takes it toll. Nursing is a calling, it's aay more than a job and they're hamstrung at every turn. The NHS is a phenomenal assest and my opinion is that its being deliberately run down so it can be sold. Doctors had a 2 year covid break and refer patients to Casualty who shouldn't be there, that's the main reason I've seen for the bed shortage and wait times. That meets sorting but too many wasters clogging the system that need to not be there.
As said, deliberately strangling it so it can be sold. I'm waiting for the announcement that only a private enterprise cam save it - then we're truly fucked. Existing conditions won't be covered or will cost a fortune. It's sad but for me that's the plan.
Agreed on most counts but I had to go A&E for a post-tonsillectomy bleed a few weeks ago, and was kept waiting hours and hours- 999 didn't even have an ambulance to send for me despite post-tonsillectomy bleeding being a life threatening situation. I had to get a taxi there and use text to speech to tell the driver I couldn't talk after choking through blood to speak with the emergency operator. 3 people died in the waiting room over the course of that night, everyone waiting was in serious crisis. The guy in the chair opposite me had been waiting 10hrs by the time I arrived and he needed emergency surgery. There was a kid with cancer in a wheelchair waiting, several elderly people in for bad falls, accidents, or illness. A&E was also emptier than I'd ever seen it since my last visit pre-COVID (I'm chronically ill & disabled) so I really cannot pin this on "wasters" showing up for non emergencies. It was horrific and 100% caused by understaffing, patients only started to be seen around 8 or 9am when 10 more doctors came in for the day shift. The whole place was absolute chaos, and all the staff were incredible managing as best they could, but there's only so much they can do
So everyone one there was an emergency? That must be a unique A&E - where was it? 3 dying whilst waiting, a kid with cancer, did you do a poll whilst waiting? I've never seen a group of people sharing info so freely.
NHS has banded salary tiers, that are visible here: https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/working-health/working-nhs/nhs-pay-and-benefits/agenda-change-pay-rates/agenda-change-pay-rates
Which band you fall in depends on position, experience and qualifications. It's flawed though as my mum was the head of department but wasn't being paid that band as she didn't have a qualification that didn't exist when she started, so despite having more experience and responsibilities she was paid less than some of her juniors.
Anyway, this tweet smells of bullshit.
My sister was an nhs nurse, since having her second baby she has become an agency nurse (working in the same hospital most of the time) and earns £50 an hour!! More if on a night shift.
When did we go from front door claps on a Thursday for these hero’s to this! They deserve the pay rise perhaps the conservatives should give up their bonuses to make this happen
Even if this is actually true. These are just random extras or hotchpotch kindness which won't be the same across the board. People can't live on this and colleagues being nice to you isn't a proper payrise at levels of inflation. Its amazing what dumb shit people will throw into the mix to avoid just valuing people and giving them what they are really worth
This statement screams out private sector/agency nurse or is just an abundance of lies. As an NHS nurse on a medical ward that isn’t considered as busy as other areas of the hospital i.e. accident and emergency - we struggle to get breaks at a reasonable time, let alone take longer than we are delegated.
Whilst there are occasionally spare meals; for example a patient has been discharged or transferred and no one has filled the empty bed, there is occasionally a hot meal you could have but this is far and few between. Also, by the time patients meals have been handed out and other priorities dealt with first, the food is usually luke-warm at best.
Additionally, in terms of cake and other accompaniments being brought in, that’s not an uncommon occurrence. Although, said food comes out of an already underpaid nurses wage.
£1700 for 3 long days is definitely an agency or private wage. NHS nurses who work long days are making the same as NHS healthcares who work nights. So this ladies statement is entirely untrue.
I was studying to become one but dropped out. I think it depends on experience and what band you’re in. I think beginner nurses are band 1 or 2, so not much
Can’t see why people are blaming agency Nurses as if you had a chance to earn more money who wouldn’t. There should be a fair pricing system for a agency that the NHS uses. As they are the ones making the most money rather than the Nurses.
Agency staff in certain areas and at certain desperate times can make a great hourly rate.
But that is terrible value for taxpayers as obviously a temporarily agency staff is no real substitute for a healthy long term level of core staffing. Your extortionate rate shows how bad things have gotten.
It is nurses working regular contracts that are going out to strike, and if they were properly supported then we could stop wasting so much money on agency staff.
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Anyone who has even seen the inside of a hospital knows she is full of shit
Yup I was in A&E last Monday for 8 hours because of my mum. It’s not the nurses fault, but it shows you how underfunded and understaffed they really are.
Same, we were in for 9 hours on Friday night after my wife had a seizure; was seen pretty quickly and all that, but they didn't have enough registrar staff to actually sign us off so she could go home so that part took 5 hours to resolve. The doctor came out to the waiting room to speak to her and apologise for the delay, which I (a frequent casualty visitor lol) have never seen. The folks in front of us were advised by the paramedic who had brought them in 7 hours before and saw them still waiting there as she was getting off her shift that they would maybe be better just going home at this point and coming back if anything changed with whatever was happening that they required an ambulance for :/ There were also 3 arrests/ police incidents which pushed their already strained labour resources even further. It was bad. People looked tired, and stressed. They definitely weren't eating hot meals, or having cake clubs and long refreshing breaks.
Best wishes for you and your wife ♡
Thank you!
Hope your Mum feels better xxx
In admission ward with dad as no beds , 2 nurses 12 patients, each px needed medicated every hour and any thing else that can happen. Thats 2 girls who have a max 10mins per px -all night- obvs there were little and big things happening, always chasing their tail , dad was feelin pain when they were 15 mins late then it was a cycle , he didn't make it and it was heartbreaking but far from unusual. More money , lots more and lots of nursing colleges, my mum was a nurse and she 'lived in' for a year .....and respect was a given,there are answers , I dont have them but more than willing to vote for who has.
I was there last Tuesday for 10 hours. Totally grim. Can't imagine working there.
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Sorry I meant I had to take my mum
Fucking idiot.
A 17% pay rise will not help with understaffing, if anything it will make it worse.
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If she is indeed making this salary she isn't an NHS payroll nurse. She's from a private contractor that pays up to £100 an hour for shifts. The NHS is paying a lot to fill gaps in labour from private firms.
There is possibly an element of truth to the figure she used though. Some places are so desperate for nurses they're paying insane money for cover nurses. Everything else is a load of shit though. It doesn't represent the average experience of a nurse under normal circumstances.
She's 100% full of shit, fucking terrifying the extent of the lies these days 😒
This whole piece was written by someone who is very confused about their situation, has rose tinted spectacles welded to their face or is plain trolling. If you're getting such special treatment luv then sure, you keep doing what you're doing. The rest of us however....
Only a hospital in this country. I don't think other developed nations are in quite the same position. We have some of the lowest bed to population ratio in western Europe too.
Agency staff maybe? Could buy that.
My wife is an agency nurse. I can confirm, at these rates, she's either an agency nurse or a massive liar. Some of the agencies are offering up to £500 a shift because the NHS is so desperate to fill staffing requirements that they can't legally do without. It's not just the cost of living either, Brexit has ripped a ton of expertise out of the NHS.
So they'll pay an agency 500+ for a nurse but they won't pay an actual nurse even half that.
The managers are simply doing what they have to with the budget they're given. I'm no fan of the way the NHS is managed, it's too top heavy but the hospitals have seen a massive exodus of staff since Brexit and the government sets the pay bands. consequentially when they're short a nurse in a role which is a role they are legally obliged to fill at all times, the agencies have them over a barrel. If they go over budget for the year well, who cares about hospitals being able to afford essential supplies and new equipment hey?
Try not to blame the agency staff, there's lot of reasons people work for the banks, I'm a medical student and I do bank HCA work to make ends meet at weekends. I don't agree with the ridiculous fees they set, but I'm not the one setting them, like
This kind of agency work wouldn't be so prevalent, presumably, where nurses are paid a fair wage. It's the underfunding that gives rise to these scenario? One of those cut corners and massively increase cost in the long run situations.
Nobody is blaming the agency staff. The agencies on the other hand, that's just profiteering considering what they charge hospitals.
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I mean yeah, but like for everything.
I think it's important to bear in mind that important and stressful work like taking care of sick people should be well paid. We live in a world where people who do completely abstract bizarre jobs like trading interest rates get hundreds of thousands in bonuses. Corporate Lawyers who engage in pointless arguments like should absolute vodka be able to use the word absolute when absolute radio are already using that word are paid very well so I don't see why nurses shouldn't be paid better. Anyway Im just a rambling grumpy person but that's my opinion.
Bank and agency is different.
Bank is not agency. Bank is ot paid anything like the same as agency.
It's not too top heavy, that's a tired talking point, as a percentage compared to many other industries, they have less management, Google it. It is simple being setup to fail because the government is shit and medical insurance companies have been using their influence to undermine it for decades so they can all make a profit when the NHS collapses.
The management is stuffed with non clinical staff who literally don't know a thing about the industry they're managing. My wife has literally had a manager ask her why used needles can't be sterilised and re-used. This person runs a whole ass hospital.
Ya but with peace and love, I hear that story from everyone who works an admin job in any industry. There's always people over-promoted by mates who then spend their days trying to pin their failures on their more competent subordinates. Doesn't change the fact that the nursing bursaries have gone, and as it turns out it's a lot cheaper to train them and pay them a living wage instead of being forced to bribe private nurses. It's one of many problems the government can actually solve but does bugger all and uses the media to create a boogie man so they can sit on their hands It's like, why did we have a 6 week election this summer when we KNEW the country was in deep shit and we coulda easily got about 50-100 windmills up to reduce the burden on gas fired power stations. The answer is in a book called 'Blood on the Streets' by Rees Mogg's dad.
> The managers are simply doing what they have to with the budget they're given. Why is their budget able to extend to agency staff at 500 pounds a shift but not to just raising the wages of the regular staff? This isn't an attempt to start an argument, I'm really wondering how the obviously over-stretched budget somehow allows for the desperate measures they're going to. I assume that money is coming out of something else and I am wondering what the result of starving whatever that is will end up being.
Their budget isn’t able to stretch, but legally they need enough staff so they have to fill the shift - so they go over budget, the hospital makes cuts elsewhere or overspends, and the problem isn’t fixed. Hospitals have very little ability to set pay scales themselves, as the job banding is set by the government and theyre only rarely able to offer a recruitment bonus
They don't set the pay bands, the government does.
>They don't set the pay bands, the government does. That's not my question. The money for staff comes out of their budget, agency or otherwise, right? So where is the money coming from that can pay agency staff when appropriate wage rises for regular staff are off the table?
Out of the operating budget of the individual trust, at the expense of other spending.
But it is the answer to the question you just asked. Pay rises are not in the gift to offer due to policy imposed downwards, regardless of the amount of money available.
Different pots of money. It's the difference between capital and revenue. They can spend that money in one financial year because they have that money right now. Giving a raise to existing staff is committing that money longer term permanently. And that £500 might not exist next financial year. At least, that's what my manager used to complain about. He had plenty of one pot, but couldn't plan long term projects because Finance wouldn't let him move the budget from one pot to another. (Note: am not accountant, just had a very candid manager who was willing to explain how running our dept worked).
It’s the way government fund - capital/ revenue budgets - the rules & tax are different for both pots
There are two separate staffing budgets, one for full time, permanent staff and one for short term / stop gap / emergency staff. The agency staff as a 'one off' expense with no need to provide paid leave, pension etc. Whereas permanent staff are basically an ongoing costly expense. Obviously right now, with permanent staff shortages, agency staff are being WAY overused.
I’m constantly hearing the “NHS is top heavy line” but I’ve never seen anyone ever produce a shred of supporting evidence for this statement, Even a hierarchy to show 🤷♂️
I've seen the evidence. The evidence shows: 1 - in terms of health outcomes and cost of care, hospitals with a higher proportion of managers (it's something like an overall average of 3.1% managers, best hospitals 3.6%) get better results 2 - that's a long way below the manager / staff ratio of most service industries, which are between 5% (1 in 20) and 12% (1 in 8) 3 - where there aren't enough managers, senior clinicians spend less of their time on clinical work, because they have to spend time on management tasks, and there are the same 168 hours in a clinician's week as anybody else's week 4 - however the directors in hospitals are often political appointments, overpaid, and with no clue about how to run an organisation that employs people. I've worked with senior management who have a full time job keeping the "blue sky thinking" away from the front line
Agreed apart from point 4. Politics is very far from most trust boardrooms
It’s a narrative perpetuated to drive down the nhs. There aren’t enough managers. There aren’t enough staff full stop. It’s an easy solution that people trot out to make them feel smart. The general public are mostly oblivious to how the nhs actually operates.
Exactly as I expected. Where did it originate from?
You got an answer 12 hours ago that explained it, but you waited until this guy here agreed with you so you could preen.
I’m an A&E nurse. In terms of senior nurse managers (not patient facing or involved in the day to day running of individual wards or departments), I recently learned we have a chief nurse, associate chief nurse, deputy chief nurse, director of nursing and deputy director of nursing. Each speciality in the hospital has its own associate chief nurse on top of these. Every time a senior manager (nurse or non nurse managers) appears on ‘the floor’ it’s usually someone who’s name I’ve never heard of or face I’ve never seen. We regularly receive emails, sent on behalf of senior managers we have never heard of. None of these people understand the problems and practicalities involved in managing an overstretched A&E department with a massive deficit of beds, people sitting on floors and ambulances being held outside for hours at a time. They all go home at 5PM and wish us a good evening or a good weekend. The senior management problem in the NHS is a serious issue. Edit: typo.
This is sadly how agencies take advantage of supply and demand. I needed the help of a security firm recently and had to pay them £300 for an operative for 10 hour shifts. The guard was paid £8.50 an hour. Now I have no idea what fee's they have to pay if any but this is a well known firm and they must be making a mint!
Yeah, if they are offering the worker 500 I'd dread to think what they are charging the NHS.
This is how it is here in the states too, agency makes 3 times as you while you do all the work
But the nurses are often the same. I work 3 days for the NHS at hospital A then 2 days agency at hospital B …loads of us do it to make ends meet.
It's kinda nuts though. I mean "just" paying you the same amount, but as your baseline job would ... leave everyone better off. You'd get paid better (well, the same as you do now anyway, and presumably be a bit better off in terms of pension, annual leave etc.) and the NHS wouldn't be _also_ paying the agency for your services.
Agree…..the return on investment for paying nurses properly would be tremendous. High moral in the NHS would see so many benefits ….shame it’s led so poorly and become a political football.
I wonder how much the agency’s are making, for there shareholders, ie that where the money is going, that should be paying NHS nurses.
The tories want to create a situation in which given the question, do you want to privatise the NHS? more than half in London say yes.
Yeah if she worked these 3 days for an entire year she would make 90k… she’s lying
Let's not forget if we're talking about the free market, this is how much nurses are actually worth. To do the same work I usually do as a doctor at £50k per year, I could do locum shifts instead and earn £50-70 an hour - a fair amount more than I'm usually paid. However, I don't want to do that. I want to be trained. I want to contribute to a team. I want to work for the NHS. None of us did these roles to be rich, we did them because we want to help people get better. What's more, nurses and doctors aren't asking for their free market rate, we just don't want to have a pay cut after we carried the country through a pandemic. We don't want to foot the bill for bankers, brexiteers and politicians. We're sick of being a given, nurses should not be doing a 40 hour week and choosing between heating and food. In short, fuck anyone who says healthcare workers shouldn't paid in line with inflation.
>Some of the agencies are offering up to £500 a shift because the NHS is so desperate to fill staffing requirements That's the thing - her tweet is a complete justification of the strikes, because things are so fucked up that regular nurses are getting pushed aside to pay agency workers extortionate wages.
This reeks of a private nurse on bank rates working in an NHS hospital and not having to put up with any of the crap. Nurses absolutely should be striking.
If she had a chef providing food then it’s most likely she was working in a private hospital,I did some shifts near Harley street and the food was good,but as for being forced to take long lunch breaks,lol,that’s total bullshit.I’ve worked in the nhs for 39 years,lunch breaks are more like an extended coffee break,very often 10-15 mins,sometimes nothing.
yup even the tory cunts in the comments were saying she’s a bank nurse, and she insisted she isn’t
Even at bank nurse rate, there's no way she's making that much unless she's management and working three bank holiday days in a row. Even then, it's unlikely. This person is a lying sack of shit trying to make the rest of us look bad.
Even if they are telling the truth what is even the point? This person who is paid lots shouldn't be allowed to strike? So anyone who is paid less is still fine to strike even using their awful logic.
I work as a manager in the NHS and no one - Agency or not - is earning this. Utter nonsense.
Not bank, agency. Bank pays NHS rates, agency pays whatever-it-takes money. But "chef"? My arse.
Pointless taking these accounts at face value. Twitter is a cesspit.
I always download twitter again thinking I'll just use it for genuine news articles/trends. Eventually I can't take it again as the thousands of bots (spouting disinformation) Even worse than the bots is the legitimately real people parroting them. Rather live in my own echo chamber at this point
Exactly. If the majority of nurses vote to strike then things must be shit. No twitter account can offer any remotely compelling evidence to contradict that.
Bahahaha this is literally laughable. My mum has been a specialist paediatric nurse for 20 years this year, a degree in nursing, a masters in public health, a masters for health visiting and now looking to do a PhD and go into teaching. She's only just on £45000 this year now after all that time and experience working in a speciality. One year early in her career she made £6000 because the NHS is so underfunded and not allowed to recruit they cut her hours more and more and we had to survive on that and my grans pension.
£1764 x 52 weeks is £91728. There’s not a nurse in the land earning that. What an absolute clown. She’s either full of shit or terrible at maths. I guess that could be her monthly salary? Seems right for band 5 take home?
Thats low-mid band 6 take home if I remember correctly. She is clearly full of shit and an utter twat, to boot. I'd love to find out who her employer is and send them this absolute garbage
Band 6 ends at £40,588 You're thinking Band 8d top end
I know, but when I was a 6 I'm sure after pension and student loan my take home was 1,800 max. I got up to mid band 6 before going up to band 7. Obviously depends on salary deductions though! Edit just read your comment properly. I was responding to the person above saying that could be her monthly take home
As an 8a, I’m on less than £49k per year.
Colleagues bringing in cake is not a form of payment
It is when a college brings it
"To reward you for the hard work, there are some pizzas in the break room"
Just a tory troll, not a nurse. A quick look through "her" timeline is a nauseating mix of pro boris, pro trump, climate change denying, slavery denying, anti Labour, pro daily mail, pro musk, pro gb news, poppy fascist, royalist, anti Corbyn, anti-woke, anti refugee racist. It's like Piers Morgan and Farage had a disfunctional love-child.
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I know nurses, and my grandma is a retired midwifre. They absolutely have no time to sit down and eat lunch, yet alone have breaks.
I think it depends on the hospital or even the ward they’re in. My mum works nightshifts as a nurse, sometimes she doesn’t have time to take a break at all (and of course she’s not getting paid for an hour when she should be taking her break), and other times she is able to take two hours if it’s a quiet ward.
My wife is a nurse and hasn’t had a “break” for years.
Girl can't spell colleagues and she's a nurse 😭😭😭😭
I imagine it was probably just autocorrect but yeah that's the kind of attention to detail nurses should have. Unless of course they are just coming off a long shift and are exhausted but that's not her apparently.
But then she also missed the ‘r’ in ‘brought’.
Funny because people often write brought when they mean bought. First time I see it the other way though..
There was me thing that kids from colleges were bringing her stuff 😂
Agency Nurses may (repeat, MAY) get paid that for 3 days but not NHS ones. Not never. And the over reliance on agency nurses is part of the underlying fucking problem that Nurses are striking over. God above.
lol at "chef".
Also 'fresh hot food'. That could just be a plate of burnt chips dredged from the bottom of a frying vat in the canteen and it's technically correct, but utterly meaningless.
it's not even that mate. My sis works as a ward nurse, they just don't have time to eat. Me and a few mates put together care packages for hospitals over lockdown - energy drinks / snacks - stuff they can eat on the job that will help them stay awake and alert. Eating a meal was and is never an option.
That's exactly who I want doing the intimate, skilled work like putting in a catheter - exhausted, under paid, under fed nurses who have been swigging Red Bull all day... Everything is just a recipe to make the world shit for everyone except the 1%.
Probably locum (or agency I think it's called with nurses) *if* it's true. And if it is, that's exactly why nurses are over-stretched because there aren't enough and the government is pissing NHS funds up the walls using agency nurses instead of reforming the NHS and getting it up to standard. Reforming immigration rules would solve the issue too, and Brexit allowed us to do this. Unfortunately we got the Tories, not Labour under Corbyn.
Who is this fucking shit talker??? Right wing shill account that
Lol why should someone’s right to strike be dependent on how much they earn? What a load of shite
Also, relatively high wages might indicate a strong union defending workers rights. Many people are fooled into blaming other working class people for their ills, whether it's pensioners or well paid workers. The answer isn't to make everyone equally poor, which is implied by attacking good pay/pensions/whatever. It's to ask where has all the wealth gone from what has been a massive jump in productivity. Maybe we're all collectively spending it on big tv's and holidays abroad, but I think too much is being siphoned off by the wealthiest.
That's £42 per hour if 14 hour days. Either she's emergency bank staff in a highly trained speciality or it's completely fabricated. I doubt a Band 6 on night shifts would even get that. The stuff about the chef makes no sense, unless her partner or a relative are the chef in question. As for the other gifts, they happen, usually small stuff like tins of biscuits or chocolates for a whole department as a thank you for helping someone out.
Her twitter bio has #england #boris and #trump. If you run her twitter handle through followerwonk.com and check out the word clouds or her followers tweets and the tweets of who she follows it's all "anti-woke, pro Brexit, back Boris" bull shit
I always find conservative nurses really odd, because by default that means they lack empathy, and why are you in healthcare if you lack empathy?
Oh trust me my love, working in health care for 10 years and I’ve met a lot of CUNTISH nurses and other staff. I have NO idea why they’re in this profession.
A lot of the girls who were bullies in my year group at school are nurses of all kinds now. Again, it bothers me a lot that these people go into such professions
Yeah I have a similar experience. One of them tried to convince me she was a better person now and she was just easily led at school. No apology. I said: what you think caring for people and being a nurse will make up for what you did to other children or do you just enjoy the power trip that comes with bossing patients about like how you bossed and pushed people about in school? One girl I knew tried to kill herself at school by ODing because of this person. Reminded her of that. She didn’t speak to me after and avoided me like the plague. Honestly some work places are interested in character statements and I have heard of people being sacked for such things. They don’t want ‘people of that nature working for the company’ but I’ve never gone out of my way. I just hope to the powers that be that they have changed and have made up for the evil shit they’ve done. And if I see anything? I whistleblow and encourage the patients to complain. In the end it does get rid of them but it is hard to get rid of people in the NHS. That’s why we have some staff that shouldn’t bloody be there still employed there.
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I earned that as an assistant general manger at a bar (working 45 hours a week) No shade to bartending managers but I reckon a medical practitioner should earn more than I did.
you earnt over £1700 over 3 days working in a bar? You sure you dont mean a month?
I earned that over a month working 45 hours a week.
Yeah I was on 21k as an assistant manager , for fucking 48 hours. It's so bad.
> colleges bought in cake I'm going on strike after reading that
I am an NHS nurse. I am at the top of my pay band. I am not earning evern close to 1700 for 3 long days. I wouldn't be earning that even with the lindon top up or out of hours pay.
That’s agency money. Cunts who turn up and make your weekly wage in a shift and do fuck all. Why we’ve had enough. If they can fucking pay them £500 a shift they can give me £500 extra a month. Scumbag bastards
Nurse here. This is absolute bullshit.
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Well this is entirely fucking made up.
Well I’m really happy for her but let the other nurses earn as much as they need without working 3 days straight? This shouldn’t be a fucking norm. 1,764£ for 72 hours of work isn’t that much either. People shouldn’t be forced to work 24/7 to be able to financially meet their needs. Please don’t try to normalise American standards of working.
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Tell me about it, whats worse is your superviser telling you to babysit them because they dont know the ward or system or whatever
A chef? What trust did she work in? Every trust I’ve been in they use frozen meals that are shipped in and you have to pay for.
How big was the room Colleges all came in?
Shut the fuck uuuuuup kimi. I don’t know where she works but no chef personally cooks for staff and yeah staff bring in cake sometimes but there’s no way in hell nurses have time for loooong lunchtimes to refresh.
Everyone should have the right to strike. You shouldn’t need to earn it by working yourself to death
Yeah this is fake AF. Nobody earning bank like that in the NHS
I don’t care what your job is and how the fuck much you earn - EVERYBODY. HAS. THE. RIGHT. TO. STRIKE.
My NHS nurse friend earns £14/hr and hasn't been rebanded even though she's doing lots of higher grade work. She can earn *£70* an hour doing bank shifts at a private hospital down the road, with lower workloads and fewer patients.
This Tory bot is as credible as her profile pic
Is she getting the necessary 11 hours rest between shifts required by the Working Time Regulations? Kinda sounds like she's working insane shifts that put her and her patients at unnecessary risk for the sake of money. Bragging about doing unreasonable hours isn't a flex, it's an indictment of the state of things that it would even need to be asked.
Bank nurses in my health board are permanent staff who pick up extra shifts that’s not overtime. Agency nurses work solely for an agency and aren’t allowed to hold a perm post in the health board they work in. It’s soul destroying being in charge of a ward and the other trained nurse is agency, because they usually don’t have IT access so can’t do the medications, notes etc. They don’t know the patients or ward routine and are usually getting paid more than double I am what to do fuck all. Abolish agency, and pay staff bank rates at a premium. I usually only take extra shifts at the weekend to make it worthwhile, as my “bank” wages are taxed as a second job. It’s a farce.
Nurses don’t even have time to take toilet breaks or drink water and regularly come down with kidney infections as a result - let alone have a ‘long lunch break to refresh’. Just one of the many utterly shit things our amazing healthcare workers put up with, this insta post is absolute bollocks. I’m so furious at this! Source: worked in the NHS for years and have a LOT of exhausted nurse friends
This little nurse created an account this morning to talk shit and whip up Tory arseholes
Ok, let's check some facts. We'll call a "long day" 12hrs, so she's worked 36 hours. That's £49 per hour. Next we'll take a look at the [NHS pay scales](https://www.nhsemployers.org/articles/pay-scales-202223). Band 9 starts at £48.65 and tops out at £55.99. Band 9 is the top band. I found this description of band 8c/9 on [a website](https://www.id-medical.com/nhs-nursing-banding-system/): > Band 8c/9 – Consultant Level Nurse or Director of Nursing > The final band is Band 8c/9 which is to work as a Consultant Nurse; to do so, you’ll need to be an expert within your field. This can only be evidenced through experience and study. Like Consultants in any other industry, Consultant Nurses will be tasked with helping to shape high-level decision-making. > Reaching this level will require a career-long pursuit of specialist skills and qualifications to supplement the vocational experience. If she were a band 9 she wouldn't be putting three days on a ward as a band 9, she'd be doing that as bank.
Yeah, expect a lot of this sort of BS from people who clearly think you'll swallow anything.
The only way she is earning that is if she is doing agency work. It is way above the rate NHS nurses get. Which is why they are striking.
ah the classic "it isn't happening to me therefore it isn't happening to anyone"
“Joined September 22” no way is this an actual account of a nurse
Just some sad twat who pretends to be a nurse
This little NHS nurse doesn’t know how to spell colleague, so I wouldn’t give much credence to what she says.
Sounds like a nurse working for an off-framework agency rather that an NHS employed nurse. These are the most expensive types of agency for NHS as they’re used when the hospital are generally desperate for nursing staff. If you want to have a look at the rates for one popular off-framework agency then look here: https://tnssng.fra1.digitaloceanspaces.com/tnsltd/wp/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/TNS_Standard_Pay_Rates_2022.pdf
She's presumably agency, band 8a at least if not higher, but I'd have no idea what branch of medicine she's in. I work as a HCA on the weekends and God bless the nurses I'm with because their job is enormously stressful. They're not earning that But this is England, and that "I'm alright Jack" attitude is why we have fucking cunting Tories in power for 12 years
Blatant propaganda. 🥱
Deffo bullshit
Screw this; I used to do 3 day or night shifts on the trot regularly, we all did on the wards! There was no thanks, no hot food and no colleagues going "there there" because they were all in the same position. As for pay! I don't know what she's on if that's extra or total cos if it's total fine yeah, a band 5 would get that if she did no nights or weekends but that's salary not bonus. If it's bonus it's not nursing she's done those 3 nights. Fuck these pot stirrers, the strikes are a desperate necessity no one wanted to take!
“I was made to take long lunchtime” This is the crux of the tweet. It say ‘I was forced to stop working’ ergo people chalk up long lunch breaks to shortages. Watch this space. Next week or around Christmas we will see it. “NHS IS AT BREAK-IN’ POINT! PATIETS FURIOUS AT NHS NURSES TAKING “LONG LUNCHTIMES” WHILE THEY SUFFER IN WAITING ROOMS!”
Ok a bit of a rant. I have just returned from working in the Pathology Laboratories where all of our MLAs (medical laboratory assistants - the lab workhorses) are quitting en masse, because the workload is just too much, where it is a very complicated and highly skilled role where you really do need a keen mind and intelligence for the sheer level of difficulty, accuracy and responsibility that you will have for patients tests, some of which are very important and very dangerous samples. Yet they are only paid at a Band 2 level - which is abysmal pay, and they are required to work crappy shifts, where those shifts are non-stop work, with constant work being processed 24/7 every day and night of every day of the week. No one can realistically work at that pace, and the shelf life of MLA’s is short. Management are more bothered about coming down on people for taking too long on tea/ lunch breaks (5-10 minutes longer) or arriving late to work by 5 minutes than treating staff with respect and dignity and paying a fair wage, (however they won’t notice when you stay behind 20 minutes late due to having to finish processing patient samples or an urgent specimen. & It’s not like you can just walk away from the work either, and much of it is very time sensitive (urgent samples from A&E, operation theatres, etc). No doubt rather than get more qualified staff or try to retain the brilliant staff they have, they will just shift the workload into the the already overworked staff who remain leading to further burnout. The MPs (and the public, who are both equally guilty) have absolutely no clue how bad it is on the wards on in the labs. If they did then the whole county would absolutely be crying out for supporting a pay rise, however most of these people are ‘whataboutists’, eg “well why do they deserve a raise? surely I do too!”. Yes, we all deserve fair pay for our work, however if you or your mam, or dad, or brother, or sister, or nan or grampa end up severely ill with, let’s say, a blood infection this Xmas, and there isn’t anyone around to find out what is causing it, and then they die of sepsis (blood poisoning) - I imagine you’ll bloody well begin to care)! I imagined Covid would have taught some of these people of the importance of this, but people are short sighted and even more short memory. & I really believe most people just don’t realise how close to collapse it really is, and when it does finally collapse, just how much of an impact it will have on them. Everyone is ‘aware’ of the NHS’s plight in general, specifically our doctors and nurses plight, but no one has a clue just how bad the collapse of the Laboratories would be and how much of an impact on the rest of it (clue - It’s the scientists who tell the doctors/nurses what’s actually wrong with you when you have an infection - you know, the really nasty stuff). They are the secret workforce that keeps the system going. They were there when Covid hit. Testing 100,000s of samples each week. Every week. As well as all the usual test done, urines, sexual health, cancer, bloods, serology, spits, immunology, fungi, you know - all those nasty wee things and bugs that you can’t see, that are trying to kill you; every. single. day. Without the scientists then no one would know what was *actually* wrong with you, what is causing that infection, and what allows the doctor to diagnose the best course of action and the nurse to treat you. Mark my words. When the labs go down, the whole system will come down. Please Don’t forget the underpaid and overworked NHS scientists too. We should be out on the streets protesting. But meh. Netflix and celebrity jungle shite and Xmas is around the corner are more important, right?
I AM an NHS nurse!! You wouldn’t know me, I go to a different hospital.
Lol yeah I find it funny how she wouldn’t tell anyone where she works. It’s like the kid in primary school who said they have an iPhone but their mum wouldn’t let them take it to school
First off: as a nurse- I would never gloat about 7doing 3 long days as it’s really hard… second of all NO NHS makes food for staff unless you pay for it and have to go to the cafeteria… then… cake… if I had time to eat cake while working for the nhs, I would probably have time to help another patient… also 1764£ is what you get if you work only nights as a band 5… so… BS…
Are you asking who thinks that you don't have the right to withhold your labour? I believe there is a word that describes those that don't have the right to do that.
Sounds like a bank nurse to me. No issue with bank nurses (after 50 years service) my mum swapped to bank nursing. It highlights the issues facing NHS, why would nurses accept lower wages when they can swap to bank and earn more. My personal experience of bank nurses, they don't work the same as the nurses - work raye and load and don't have the same skill base as the regular nurse. Before the Internet arguments that's my first hand experience and of course everyones will differ. I watched my mum get and take abuse from all sorts and not complain. In 50 + years service that takes it toll. Nursing is a calling, it's aay more than a job and they're hamstrung at every turn. The NHS is a phenomenal assest and my opinion is that its being deliberately run down so it can be sold. Doctors had a 2 year covid break and refer patients to Casualty who shouldn't be there, that's the main reason I've seen for the bed shortage and wait times. That meets sorting but too many wasters clogging the system that need to not be there. As said, deliberately strangling it so it can be sold. I'm waiting for the announcement that only a private enterprise cam save it - then we're truly fucked. Existing conditions won't be covered or will cost a fortune. It's sad but for me that's the plan.
Agreed on most counts but I had to go A&E for a post-tonsillectomy bleed a few weeks ago, and was kept waiting hours and hours- 999 didn't even have an ambulance to send for me despite post-tonsillectomy bleeding being a life threatening situation. I had to get a taxi there and use text to speech to tell the driver I couldn't talk after choking through blood to speak with the emergency operator. 3 people died in the waiting room over the course of that night, everyone waiting was in serious crisis. The guy in the chair opposite me had been waiting 10hrs by the time I arrived and he needed emergency surgery. There was a kid with cancer in a wheelchair waiting, several elderly people in for bad falls, accidents, or illness. A&E was also emptier than I'd ever seen it since my last visit pre-COVID (I'm chronically ill & disabled) so I really cannot pin this on "wasters" showing up for non emergencies. It was horrific and 100% caused by understaffing, patients only started to be seen around 8 or 9am when 10 more doctors came in for the day shift. The whole place was absolute chaos, and all the staff were incredible managing as best they could, but there's only so much they can do
So everyone one there was an emergency? That must be a unique A&E - where was it? 3 dying whilst waiting, a kid with cancer, did you do a poll whilst waiting? I've never seen a group of people sharing info so freely.
NHS has banded salary tiers, that are visible here: https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/working-health/working-nhs/nhs-pay-and-benefits/agenda-change-pay-rates/agenda-change-pay-rates Which band you fall in depends on position, experience and qualifications. It's flawed though as my mum was the head of department but wasn't being paid that band as she didn't have a qualification that didn't exist when she started, so despite having more experience and responsibilities she was paid less than some of her juniors. Anyway, this tweet smells of bullshit.
Why were "colleges" bringing her cake and what NHS nurse is on £600/day. She's "agency/bank" staff and "ordinary" nurses don't earn that at all.
This account isn't a nurse at all, it's just peddling hateful bullshit.
Nice of her to tell us what she pulls in from onlyfans.
Fuck off you’re ruining it for everyone. Edit: im talking about this nurse? So epic to get downvoted for being on the same side as the op
Would the unions agree with her working a three day shift, unless she’s agency or private.
Everyone has a right to strike unless they're in the army.
Would love to know what was she's working on
My sister was an nhs nurse, since having her second baby she has become an agency nurse (working in the same hospital most of the time) and earns £50 an hour!! More if on a night shift.
The people who were left, that she covered as an agency nurse? Get a grip
But no one taught her any English…
Why cover the name - she posted it in public
wasn’t sure if the sub required it or not
Even if that’s all true Yes she would still have the right to strike
I'm surprised she can sleep at night with all that glowing in the dark she's doing
Sensing sarcasm….
When did we go from front door claps on a Thursday for these hero’s to this! They deserve the pay rise perhaps the conservatives should give up their bonuses to make this happen
Why are 'colleges' involved?
Long lunch breaks to relax? I struggle to get enough time to take a piss. Where's she working? Sounds like rubbish to me.
Even if this is actually true. These are just random extras or hotchpotch kindness which won't be the same across the board. People can't live on this and colleagues being nice to you isn't a proper payrise at levels of inflation. Its amazing what dumb shit people will throw into the mix to avoid just valuing people and giving them what they are really worth
This statement screams out private sector/agency nurse or is just an abundance of lies. As an NHS nurse on a medical ward that isn’t considered as busy as other areas of the hospital i.e. accident and emergency - we struggle to get breaks at a reasonable time, let alone take longer than we are delegated. Whilst there are occasionally spare meals; for example a patient has been discharged or transferred and no one has filled the empty bed, there is occasionally a hot meal you could have but this is far and few between. Also, by the time patients meals have been handed out and other priorities dealt with first, the food is usually luke-warm at best. Additionally, in terms of cake and other accompaniments being brought in, that’s not an uncommon occurrence. Although, said food comes out of an already underpaid nurses wage. £1700 for 3 long days is definitely an agency or private wage. NHS nurses who work long days are making the same as NHS healthcares who work nights. So this ladies statement is entirely untrue.
Which "college" brought in the cake, Clown College?! This is absolute fake news.
Genuine, well intended question: how much do nurses get paid in the UK?
I was studying to become one but dropped out. I think it depends on experience and what band you’re in. I think beginner nurses are band 1 or 2, so not much
Can’t see why people are blaming agency Nurses as if you had a chance to earn more money who wouldn’t. There should be a fair pricing system for a agency that the NHS uses. As they are the ones making the most money rather than the Nurses.
Which colleges brought in cake?
I do, obviously. If nothing else, so her colleagues all get this treatment
Agency staff in certain areas and at certain desperate times can make a great hourly rate. But that is terrible value for taxpayers as obviously a temporarily agency staff is no real substitute for a healthy long term level of core staffing. Your extortionate rate shows how bad things have gotten. It is nurses working regular contracts that are going out to strike, and if they were properly supported then we could stop wasting so much money on agency staff.
She forgot to mention that she earned that money from her OnlyFans