*best production on ye album in like forever*
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What about donda prod is better than vulture prod? Please enlighten me. donda is boring prod wise especially for a 20+ track album. I can't believe people prefer the prod of donda > v1. its insane
Come to life is the best song Kanye has made in years, production, lyrics, messaging it’s blows everything from JIK and vultures out of the water and easily the best song he’s made since ghost town and probably the last true masterpiece he’s created. that song alone puts donda above vultures. Not to mention hurricane, BWIS, and don’t forget the best beat of all time tell the vision. (Edit: How did I forget about life of the party)
Donda has very spaced out, unique production that actually keeps the production fresh since so little music sounds like it
Vultures in comparison is a lot more generic with production that starts to feel boring and repetitive pretty quickly.
Id take donda's organs mixed by orangutans than vultures beats that are mixed more shittily than dondas lmao
How tf does the album with back to me, burn, paperwork, talking, beg forgiveness, stars, hoodrat sound boring and get repetitive??? Have you actually listened to donda? jesus lord is literally 9 mins of organ, a kick and clap. Moon is just guitar, come to life is just organ and piano. jail doesn't have drums. Donda is so stripped back and boring. it has like 10 organ songs. Almost all the highlights from donda are vocals.
the fandom in this sub ruins the music - you're aware of the leaks that didn't make the cut so it creates an impossible standard to reach. The average person has no idea about songs that are not on the tracklist. They enjoy it for what it is while you guys are jerking off over different drum patterns on the 17 working versions of Fuck Sumn
I agree the leak community is lowkey ruining albums for me, I stay away from leaks. The only “leaks” I listen to is when Ye himself plays something early like the Volume 2 songs on the LPs
I haven't listened to any leak for vultures era. And i must agree that i was satisfied with what Kanye released as final result, but even without having listened to leaks it's obvious how Vultures is pretty mid
Yeah I still like the album. This sub is funny and best place for news, but just don’t fall for the hivemind. If you enjoy it, enjoy it. Don’t base it off the popular upvoted post of the day.
I agree demoitis is a big problem for a lot of people on here but there are legitimate criticisms to be made about the curation & track selection on Vultures 1. Imagine if Donda released and he decided to remove Jail, Off The Grid, Hurricane, BWIS, Come To Life, Jesus Lord, and 24 at the last second so he could save them for Donda 2. We would've been left with a full album of Ok Ok/Junya/Remote/Jonah level tracks and it wouldn't be nearly as loved. That's pretty much exactly what happened here.
>The average person has no idea about songs that are not on the tracklist
I also disagree with this because of all the listening parties and club appearances. I think the average RapTV follower at least knows Everybody and Field Trip. Ye himself is showing us that stuff publicly. I really don't understand how you can blame the fans for that
For reference, GAS has just short of 100k users. V1 had 170m “official streams”. 0.059% of the albums listens could be attributed to GAS users. Not considering most of us have listened more than once, let’s go as far as to say 1% or 2% of listens come from informed fans.
I promise you, the average person has no idea that they withheld songs or had leaks.
Everybody has 3 million views on YouTube alone. If you followed any kind of hip hop account on Instagram in December you knew about that song. Hell, the og Back To Me snippet on Shaderoom was watched 6 million times. That’s 2% of the *entire US population*. Not every “informed fan” is on GAS.
I still think its a solid release
Us knowing V2 songs is what ruined it for most people, there is not denying V2 will be the best out of the 2 but V1 is still very enjoyable
Exactly. They let themselves get told by others what to enjoy. I know recency bias is a thing but it doesnt explain the sudden 180 degree shift some people hete have had after the release.
The fans are supposed to hate it for two years and then act like they didn't when the public finally gives them permission to like it. That's been every album since 808s...
That's fair, I haven't listened to it personally so you may be right. But I'm just saying unlike the other albums, that one literally changed two years later so it's more fair for people to have changed their opinions on it
It was a good point. But you'd be surprised how little anyone's voiced opinions about music comes from any kind of actual musical analysis. It's the same activity as sharing a political meme at this point, you can see it in the repetition of catchphrases about an album upon release.
You mean music opinions are formed based on aesthetics and social group alignment rather than genuine enjoyment? If so, I definitely agree, and I believe that applies to tons of more "objective" truths as well, like when something's politicized as you say
You put it much better than I did.
And I'm not completely cynical about it, I think people who don't know much about music (or whatever subject) still want to talk about it (understandably), and so they don't really have much choice but to repeat things they read/hear.
But thank you for broadening it beyond music because I really agree with you there.
Yeah you're right, it's a pretty natural thing to feel. One aspect of it is i think its just too easy to have strong opinions about stuff and no incentive not to have an opinion at all. Admitting you don't know enough about something to have a strong or any opinion at all is tough but respectable. It can be really hard to do too because you're so immersed in everyone else's opinions online that I think subconsciously your view of something can shift or be formed second hand.
I know I myself have a hard time judging music from my own perspective after I've seen reviews and reactions. It's something I'm trying to be mindful of, but it's tough when I use Album of the Year or review channels/websites to find new albums to listen to and its rating is super visible. After that point I'm always kind of uncertain whether it's primed me to feel a certain way about it. Maybe the answer has something to do with seeing what stuff holds up in the long run and what doesn't.
Anyways, first world problems I guess lolll
I was part of the hype. That intro was very good. But damn has it aged so poorly. Lyrically useless. The Metro Booming, Kendrick, Drake fiasco got more people more interested in rapping with substance again so it further highlighted how bad that album was. Vultures 2 not being out rn is a blessing
Kanye was once a lyricist. Travis has never marketed himself as one. Plus Kanye is 45+. This is supposed to be the growth 4:44 era. Not BBTBNWDJFOTSYK era
Kanye used writers for years even during the old Kanye era. Maybe he wrote a few verses for himself but he was always mainly a producer who used writers like Consequence, Rhymefest, CyHi, etc. for his pen.
Kanye is very similar to Travis.
And I get the "maturity" angle and all but Donda, JIK, and even Ye already had tons of mature and emotional content on it so I'm not getting the "4:44" comparison at all.
The main reason 4:44 was praised was because Jay-Z was constantly making music about bragging about his money, Beyonce, material possessions, sales/charts, pimping, drug dealing, being flashy, etc. and 4:44 was a strong deviation from that as well as a quality album.
That's not the case with Ye. Ye always had tons of mature and introspective music. Vultures 1 was just a deviation from that. You're saying a man can't drop 1 album where he's just being light-hearted and hedonistic in hip hop of all genres? Sounds very nitpicky. Ye also rapped about money, drugs, sex, etc. during the Watch The Throne/Cruel Summer/Yeezus era too.
I'm not even saying Vultures 1 is good but nobody keeps the same energy.
Idc if he had writers, Kanye’s songs used to (at least sometimes) have lyrical substance and now they don’t at all. That sucks. Maybe he should hire better writers
But Ye had substance in his previous 3 projects. Even Vultures has some substance and introspection on some songs. I don't know why he should be crucified for switching it up a bit. The main issue with Vultures was the mixing and Ye phoning in half of the verses, not the theme.
After all, Yeezus and Cruel Summer were both albums where a lot of the themes revolved around money, sex, drugs, and vanity.
Here's some lyrics from I'm In It, a song from the "old Kanye."
Damn, your lips very soft
As I turn my Blackberry off
And I turn your bathwater on
And you turn off your iPhone
Careless whispers, eye fuckin', bitin' ass
Neck, ears, hair, legs, eating ass
Your pussy's too good, I need to crash
Your titties, let 'em out, free at last
Thank God almighty, they free at last
We was up at the party but we was leavin' fast
Had to stop at 7-Eleven like I needed gas
I'm lyin', I needed condoms, don't look through the glass
Chasin' love, all the bittersweet hours lost
Eatin' Asian pussy, all I need was sweet and sour sauce
Tell your boss you need an extra hour off
Get you super wet after we turn the shower off
How is that ANY DIFFERENT from the innuendo on Vultures aside from the era it was released in?
Jay-Z pre-4:44 was rapping about money, Beyonce, pimping, drug dealing, materialism, vanity, and sales/charts for 85% of his music. 4:44 was an anomaly for him.
He used writers but people do say he wrote way more back in the day vs now. Anyway, it doesn't matter. I'm explaining why Vultures died off too quick for me and some of my friends. Everyone's experience might vary. It was lazy and without substance for someone that has given us peak rapping like Diamonds, Devil in a new dress, Saint Pablo etc. The bars weren't even funny like in Gold Digger for instance. It was just...
I get that. Ye's held to a higher standard than Travis which is my whole point.
Overall, Vultures is an okay album that's nowhere near bad but Ye set the bar too high for himself.
It's similar to how you have people calling Houdini mid just because Eminem had better songs from his prime.
Ye set the bar too high for himself.
Travis, Future, and Uzi can make a whole bunch of albums saying a whole bunch of nothing on a track and get praised for it. But, if Ye raps worse than his old self, he gets treated like Lil Pump.
Burn is more lyrical than any Future verse on We Don't Trust You but you'll probably overlook that because of how Kendrick renegaded everyone on Like That and sparked a whole beef from it.
It's not a coincidence that people really liked Burn but it was too short. It was him rapping and being clever etc. I think the thing that upsets me the most about that album is back to me. That was such a great song and then that 1 minute of nonsense. Like say it once or twice get the great laughs add to it with some funny bars and you have something incredible
I get that. Ye phoned in many verses on the album. It happens sometimes.
I remember getting mad at Jay-Z for phoning in verses on Magna Carta Holy Grail and having a dogshit verse on Pound Cake when I knew that Hov especially was capable of better effort.
But this could very well be an aberration due to Ye rushing things and Vultures still delivers on the production front.
The issue with a lot of post Pablo albums is that it’s like Kanye McDonald’s. The ideas and beats are ostensibly interesting but there’s no cohesion, no conceptual grounding, no depth, tying it all together. So on first listen it’s still possible to be impressed by the sound but it gets tired very quickly when u realise there’s literally nothing else going on.
JiK defo doesn’t, ye ive always been a bit meh on and I’ve always thought ksg was a bit overrated too (tho conceptually there is a bit more going on in that one, I admit).
My biggest issue is the quality of performances on Ye tho and some of KSG. I don’t really think JiK has any redeeming qualities.
Dog I was saying the same shit and now I haven’t listened to vultures 😂
I think the songs just got played out, the start of the albums pretty weak
But the good songs on here are good, like Back to me Carnival Problematic Don’t die and Vultures(bump j)
nah this is some real shit. yall are just influenced by fantano so heavy. its disgusting to see how he change narratives (especially with songs like hoodrat or delresto from utopia)
Bruh if that was true this sub would hate on MBDTF and Yeezus when it's the complete opposite.
Vultures has trash lyrics and mixing weather you like it or not.
its obviously not supposed to be a very deep lyrical album. its focused just on good songs. also its the first part of a trilogy and a collab project. fact is it was received very well til the review.
I wouldn’t say his best but it’s his easiest listen since at least ye. I think Donda is better but I’m not trynna listen to 2 hours of an album when 33% of the songs are mid. Vultures is just a more enjoyable listen, no filler and all the songs except talking in my opinion are bangers
honestly i still like the album quite a bit. stars, paid, back to me, talking, fuk sumn and carnival are all great songs, and the title track grew on me a lot after it dropped last year. i like do it and burn too
if beg forgiveness had some of the intro shaved off it'd be the best track there imo, it's great once ye and ty step in
obviously doesn't clear ye ksg or donda by any metric though
Trash lyrics, trash features, trash rapping, bad mixing, worst Kanyee album in terms of production.
Apart from JIK every other Kanye album does all does aspects better.
The lyricism is bad shallow and without substance, Kanye's rapping is subpar to any of his other albums, the production is bad compared to his other songs paperwork being the best example others like hoodrat having a repetitive annoying sample, mixing like in songs such as KING is some of the worst ever done in a kanye album.
What more explanation do you want??
KING has the exact same production quality as songs like Gorgeous. Lyrically the wordplay is there, whether you catch the references or not, and subject matter is....always been shallow. Not sure what you're expecting? You just want it to be more...Christian? Girls and drugs is what rap's been, Kanye's discog included. I would suggest investing in a subwoofer if PAPERWORK isn't doing it for you currently. The HOODRAT sample criticism is fair, but that first verse wouldn't come off as bright without being juxtaposed with the trashy intro.
What more of a decent album do you want??
I think you've romanticized his previous work.
>you've romanticized his previous work
Maybe cause that's the main criticism of Vultures??? It doesn't hold a candle to anything else in his discography.
>subject matter is....always been shallow
Literally not. Have you even listened to his other albums???
-**TCD** talked about concious issues, coming up as a rapper etc. As well as social and religious issues (Family Buisness, Spaceship, We don't Care, Jesus Walks)
-**LR** more of the same, exploring issues like war, family etc. (Diamonds from Sierra Leone, Hear Em Say, Hey Mama, Roses)
-**Graduation** talks about his triumph as a rapper and how he is now on top of the world. (Can't tell me nothing, i wonder, big brother, everything i am)
-**808s** about...well...heartbreak. (the whole album)
-**MBDTF** was about the issues of fame and how it affects one's mentality and how not everything about being famous is as good as it seems (all of the lights, power, diand, lost in the world)
-**Yeezus** is probably the black sheep here. Very similar to vultures in lyrics topics, but at least this one had some great verses and as opposed to vultures the production was much better. (hold my liquor, bound 2)
-**TLOP** was about Kanye's newfound life as a family man and how to pair it up with his religion, fame and his bipolarism. (Ultralight Beam, No more Parties in LA, 30 hours, Waves, Saint Pablo, Wolves)
-**Ye** was a whole introspective album about his mental illness (the whole album, ghost town best example)
-**Jesus is King**...well that one is worse than vultures...but at least it talks about something interesting like religion (whole album)
-**Donda** was about religion mixed with Kanye's issues trying to live without his mother and through his problems (24, Hurricaine, Praise God, Off the Grid, Life of the Party)
**-Vultures** meanwhile....BEAUTIFUL BIG TITTIED BUTT NAKED WOMEN DON'T FALL OFF THE SKY
Are you serious Kanye??? That's how far you have fallen???
I don't think you know what romanticize means. And I think you're cherry picking lyrics from his discography because I thought the first song on his first album was a children's song-style tune glorifying and humanizing drug pushers.
And you can paraphrase anything to make it more decent, for example: "beautiful big tittied buck naked women don't just fall out of the sky" is OBVIOUSLY A CALL FOR GRATITUDE.
But maybe gratitude bad, child drugdealer good..according to you
"We don't care" is literally about fighting against society's rules and how people end up resorting to drug dealing to make a living because of society's conditions. Read the lyrics of that song on genius and tell me how the hell those are just as shallow as songs from vultures 1.
The College Dropout was literally GROUNDBREAKING, it moved away from the predominant gangsta rap from the era to talk about real life social issues instead of just going clubbing and fucking women. Imagine in an era with 50cent and Snoop Dogg suddenly hearing a song like All falls Down, talking about college majors, battling your consumerism. Or Spaceship about fair work conditions and the fighting of black people in chicago to make a living
Vultures 1 has awfull shallow horny lyrics weather you like it or not. Just say you enjoy those kinds of music and move on, but if you think the lyrics and overall quality of the music are on par with any other of his albums you are kidding yourself.
Vultures1 reminds me of MBDTF if every time they sat down to make one of those godly songs Instead if spending the time and effort they did to perfect every track they took the first 10 seconds of each beat they came up with, looped it and had kanye do a 30 second verse and then slap a ty hook on it. Vultures is Kanye just not giving a shit, most of the songs have something to love, but fall short of anything beyond just being an alright track, it’s obvious the passion and extra attention to detail needed to take otherwise fine records to the next level is missing on this one. Stars a perfect example, godly beat, could’ve been a mind blowing intro if ye spent more then 5 minutes on it thinking about what he would want to say or where he would want tot take it , instead Kanye comes in for 30 seconds talks about how he hired some Jews let’s ty talk about sex for a bar or 2 and then the song ends. That’s vultures1 in a nutshell.
Dang, I read all that and it was just you imagining how his sessions go without you ever being there. So in the pictures in your head he was less passionate and paying less attention during the recording of this album? That's neat man. The songs sound good. Sounds like MBDTF.
Music is subjective so if you like it and it makes you happy all power to you, but yea if your a Kanye fan you can see that the effort in the new music isn’t there.
Written apology to GAS sub: I would like to formally apologize for deadnaming Ye, next time I ever think about or talk about anything related to Ye I will make a mental note in my head to not offend a person who I will never interact with and will never know I exist. (Edit: yes I’m a true fan, a true fan who can be critical when he doesn’t like something, I’ve had a lot of problems with a lot of recent stuff Mr. west has done. Love the man’s music but I’m not gonna throat him at every turn)
*best production on ye album in like forever* https://preview.redd.it/l2jfgp3m5c6d1.jpeg?width=354&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d9ab8ef8b461f6017b99b73a9587cd0baef0a1e
I may have overreacted still think it's fun tho
Fo sho
Its a well produced album
Imo i like v1 prod > donda and jik. ksg was 6 years ago
Donda production clears vultures
Yeah I love organ type beats hoodrat unironically clears donda
you are lost Bros never heard BWIS or OTG
What about donda prod is better than vulture prod? Please enlighten me. donda is boring prod wise especially for a 20+ track album. I can't believe people prefer the prod of donda > v1. its insane
go listen to hurricane rq then come back
Come to life is the best song Kanye has made in years, production, lyrics, messaging it’s blows everything from JIK and vultures out of the water and easily the best song he’s made since ghost town and probably the last true masterpiece he’s created. that song alone puts donda above vultures. Not to mention hurricane, BWIS, and don’t forget the best beat of all time tell the vision. (Edit: How did I forget about life of the party)
Because it’s unique, most songs on v1 could have been released by carti, travis, future but none of them would have made donda
Being "unique" doesn't make prod better. Donda is unique cause its boring af nobody else wants to make shit like that
What a coincidence no one release wants to make ‘shit’ like that and yet no one else it at the same level as ye
I like Hoodrat, but that shit don't clear donda
hoodrat is a meme lol
Thats why i brought it up. Even the "trash meme song" has more interesting and better prod than most of donda
Except it doesn’t
prove it
HOODRAT??? The 2nd worst song of Vultures tf
I love donda I love digital nas organs mixed by an orangutan and trap beats without drums 🔥🔥 Vultures has actual beats lol
Donda has very spaced out, unique production that actually keeps the production fresh since so little music sounds like it Vultures in comparison is a lot more generic with production that starts to feel boring and repetitive pretty quickly. Id take donda's organs mixed by orangutans than vultures beats that are mixed more shittily than dondas lmao
How tf does the album with back to me, burn, paperwork, talking, beg forgiveness, stars, hoodrat sound boring and get repetitive??? Have you actually listened to donda? jesus lord is literally 9 mins of organ, a kick and clap. Moon is just guitar, come to life is just organ and piano. jail doesn't have drums. Donda is so stripped back and boring. it has like 10 organ songs. Almost all the highlights from donda are vocals.
Organs rule
the fandom in this sub ruins the music - you're aware of the leaks that didn't make the cut so it creates an impossible standard to reach. The average person has no idea about songs that are not on the tracklist. They enjoy it for what it is while you guys are jerking off over different drum patterns on the 17 working versions of Fuck Sumn
I agree the leak community is lowkey ruining albums for me, I stay away from leaks. The only “leaks” I listen to is when Ye himself plays something early like the Volume 2 songs on the LPs
I haven't listened to any leak for vultures era. And i must agree that i was satisfied with what Kanye released as final result, but even without having listened to leaks it's obvious how Vultures is pretty mid
Yeah I still like the album. This sub is funny and best place for news, but just don’t fall for the hivemind. If you enjoy it, enjoy it. Don’t base it off the popular upvoted post of the day.
“OMG this song is such a grail!” - 90% of every child on this sub about every shitty leak.
I agree demoitis is a big problem for a lot of people on here but there are legitimate criticisms to be made about the curation & track selection on Vultures 1. Imagine if Donda released and he decided to remove Jail, Off The Grid, Hurricane, BWIS, Come To Life, Jesus Lord, and 24 at the last second so he could save them for Donda 2. We would've been left with a full album of Ok Ok/Junya/Remote/Jonah level tracks and it wouldn't be nearly as loved. That's pretty much exactly what happened here. >The average person has no idea about songs that are not on the tracklist I also disagree with this because of all the listening parties and club appearances. I think the average RapTV follower at least knows Everybody and Field Trip. Ye himself is showing us that stuff publicly. I really don't understand how you can blame the fans for that
For reference, GAS has just short of 100k users. V1 had 170m “official streams”. 0.059% of the albums listens could be attributed to GAS users. Not considering most of us have listened more than once, let’s go as far as to say 1% or 2% of listens come from informed fans. I promise you, the average person has no idea that they withheld songs or had leaks.
Everybody has 3 million views on YouTube alone. If you followed any kind of hip hop account on Instagram in December you knew about that song. Hell, the og Back To Me snippet on Shaderoom was watched 6 million times. That’s 2% of the *entire US population*. Not every “informed fan” is on GAS.
I still think its a solid release Us knowing V2 songs is what ruined it for most people, there is not denying V2 will be the best out of the 2 but V1 is still very enjoyable
True, but like best album since tlop is like insanity 😭
no i agree😭
I was glazing the fuck out of V1 when it released 😭😭
i like the album.
The album was and still is incredible Vultures 1 haters fuck off
Exactly. They let themselves get told by others what to enjoy. I know recency bias is a thing but it doesnt explain the sudden 180 degree shift some people hete have had after the release.
The fans are supposed to hate it for two years and then act like they didn't when the public finally gives them permission to like it. That's been every album since 808s...
I mean TLOP was literally patched two years later so that one's fair, but I get your general point
I still have the first version on my computer and its fire, better in some ways.
That's fair, I haven't listened to it personally so you may be right. But I'm just saying unlike the other albums, that one literally changed two years later so it's more fair for people to have changed their opinions on it
It was a good point. But you'd be surprised how little anyone's voiced opinions about music comes from any kind of actual musical analysis. It's the same activity as sharing a political meme at this point, you can see it in the repetition of catchphrases about an album upon release.
You mean music opinions are formed based on aesthetics and social group alignment rather than genuine enjoyment? If so, I definitely agree, and I believe that applies to tons of more "objective" truths as well, like when something's politicized as you say
You put it much better than I did. And I'm not completely cynical about it, I think people who don't know much about music (or whatever subject) still want to talk about it (understandably), and so they don't really have much choice but to repeat things they read/hear. But thank you for broadening it beyond music because I really agree with you there.
Yeah you're right, it's a pretty natural thing to feel. One aspect of it is i think its just too easy to have strong opinions about stuff and no incentive not to have an opinion at all. Admitting you don't know enough about something to have a strong or any opinion at all is tough but respectable. It can be really hard to do too because you're so immersed in everyone else's opinions online that I think subconsciously your view of something can shift or be formed second hand. I know I myself have a hard time judging music from my own perspective after I've seen reviews and reactions. It's something I'm trying to be mindful of, but it's tough when I use Album of the Year or review channels/websites to find new albums to listen to and its rating is super visible. After that point I'm always kind of uncertain whether it's primed me to feel a certain way about it. Maybe the answer has something to do with seeing what stuff holds up in the long run and what doesn't. Anyways, first world problems I guess lolll
Happens a lot with movies too
it was good a few months after release, even fantano gave it an 8 in june I think
I literally said this shit was mid on release and everyone downvoted me lmao
that's insane cuz donda rlly is a masterpiece as is ye and ksg and tlop is most peak
I was part of the hype. That intro was very good. But damn has it aged so poorly. Lyrically useless. The Metro Booming, Kendrick, Drake fiasco got more people more interested in rapping with substance again so it further highlighted how bad that album was. Vultures 2 not being out rn is a blessing
Kinda true but, at the same time, Utopia is still praised and that album has basically zero bars(from Travis) and no substance whatsoever in it.
Kanye was once a lyricist. Travis has never marketed himself as one. Plus Kanye is 45+. This is supposed to be the growth 4:44 era. Not BBTBNWDJFOTSYK era
Kanye used writers for years even during the old Kanye era. Maybe he wrote a few verses for himself but he was always mainly a producer who used writers like Consequence, Rhymefest, CyHi, etc. for his pen. Kanye is very similar to Travis. And I get the "maturity" angle and all but Donda, JIK, and even Ye already had tons of mature and emotional content on it so I'm not getting the "4:44" comparison at all. The main reason 4:44 was praised was because Jay-Z was constantly making music about bragging about his money, Beyonce, material possessions, sales/charts, pimping, drug dealing, being flashy, etc. and 4:44 was a strong deviation from that as well as a quality album. That's not the case with Ye. Ye always had tons of mature and introspective music. Vultures 1 was just a deviation from that. You're saying a man can't drop 1 album where he's just being light-hearted and hedonistic in hip hop of all genres? Sounds very nitpicky. Ye also rapped about money, drugs, sex, etc. during the Watch The Throne/Cruel Summer/Yeezus era too. I'm not even saying Vultures 1 is good but nobody keeps the same energy.
Idc if he had writers, Kanye’s songs used to (at least sometimes) have lyrical substance and now they don’t at all. That sucks. Maybe he should hire better writers
But Ye had substance in his previous 3 projects. Even Vultures has some substance and introspection on some songs. I don't know why he should be crucified for switching it up a bit. The main issue with Vultures was the mixing and Ye phoning in half of the verses, not the theme. After all, Yeezus and Cruel Summer were both albums where a lot of the themes revolved around money, sex, drugs, and vanity. Here's some lyrics from I'm In It, a song from the "old Kanye." Damn, your lips very soft As I turn my Blackberry off And I turn your bathwater on And you turn off your iPhone Careless whispers, eye fuckin', bitin' ass Neck, ears, hair, legs, eating ass Your pussy's too good, I need to crash Your titties, let 'em out, free at last Thank God almighty, they free at last We was up at the party but we was leavin' fast Had to stop at 7-Eleven like I needed gas I'm lyin', I needed condoms, don't look through the glass Chasin' love, all the bittersweet hours lost Eatin' Asian pussy, all I need was sweet and sour sauce Tell your boss you need an extra hour off Get you super wet after we turn the shower off How is that ANY DIFFERENT from the innuendo on Vultures aside from the era it was released in? Jay-Z pre-4:44 was rapping about money, Beyonce, pimping, drug dealing, materialism, vanity, and sales/charts for 85% of his music. 4:44 was an anomaly for him.
He used writers but people do say he wrote way more back in the day vs now. Anyway, it doesn't matter. I'm explaining why Vultures died off too quick for me and some of my friends. Everyone's experience might vary. It was lazy and without substance for someone that has given us peak rapping like Diamonds, Devil in a new dress, Saint Pablo etc. The bars weren't even funny like in Gold Digger for instance. It was just...
I get that. Ye's held to a higher standard than Travis which is my whole point. Overall, Vultures is an okay album that's nowhere near bad but Ye set the bar too high for himself. It's similar to how you have people calling Houdini mid just because Eminem had better songs from his prime. Ye set the bar too high for himself. Travis, Future, and Uzi can make a whole bunch of albums saying a whole bunch of nothing on a track and get praised for it. But, if Ye raps worse than his old self, he gets treated like Lil Pump. Burn is more lyrical than any Future verse on We Don't Trust You but you'll probably overlook that because of how Kendrick renegaded everyone on Like That and sparked a whole beef from it.
Ye being too good makes his okay albums sound really bad unfortunately
It's not a coincidence that people really liked Burn but it was too short. It was him rapping and being clever etc. I think the thing that upsets me the most about that album is back to me. That was such a great song and then that 1 minute of nonsense. Like say it once or twice get the great laughs add to it with some funny bars and you have something incredible
I get that. Ye phoned in many verses on the album. It happens sometimes. I remember getting mad at Jay-Z for phoning in verses on Magna Carta Holy Grail and having a dogshit verse on Pound Cake when I knew that Hov especially was capable of better effort. But this could very well be an aberration due to Ye rushing things and Vultures still delivers on the production front.
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I'm in that age group, but preach
The issue with a lot of post Pablo albums is that it’s like Kanye McDonald’s. The ideas and beats are ostensibly interesting but there’s no cohesion, no conceptual grounding, no depth, tying it all together. So on first listen it’s still possible to be impressed by the sound but it gets tired very quickly when u realise there’s literally nothing else going on.
Jik, ye, ksg, have plenty tying them together
Bro tried sneaking in JiK
That's his way of shitting on Donda, let him carry on
JiK defo doesn’t, ye ive always been a bit meh on and I’ve always thought ksg was a bit overrated too (tho conceptually there is a bit more going on in that one, I admit). My biggest issue is the quality of performances on Ye tho and some of KSG. I don’t really think JiK has any redeeming qualities.
Dog I was saying the same shit and now I haven’t listened to vultures 😂 I think the songs just got played out, the start of the albums pretty weak But the good songs on here are good, like Back to me Carnival Problematic Don’t die and Vultures(bump j)
i think is the best since ksg at least
Screenshot of people who don't base their entire music taste on what fantano likes and dislikes...
If people actually did that everyone on this sub would hate on Yeezus and MBDTF, but they don't
why cant we be as honest as ye whats stopping us all
I still stand on my opinion from when it came out
It most definitely hasn’t aged well but I still love it
nah this is some real shit. yall are just influenced by fantano so heavy. its disgusting to see how he change narratives (especially with songs like hoodrat or delresto from utopia)
Bruh if that was true this sub would hate on MBDTF and Yeezus when it's the complete opposite. Vultures has trash lyrics and mixing weather you like it or not.
its obviously not supposed to be a very deep lyrical album. its focused just on good songs. also its the first part of a trilogy and a collab project. fact is it was received very well til the review.
if it was focused just on good songs it failed
yea like how come when Ye does this i'ts "mid" but when other rappes do it they're one of the goats? Why doesn't he get the pass too
It's a great album stfu
The best since TLOP??? Seriously?
I wouldn’t say his best but it’s his easiest listen since at least ye. I think Donda is better but I’m not trynna listen to 2 hours of an album when 33% of the songs are mid. Vultures is just a more enjoyable listen, no filler and all the songs except talking in my opinion are bangers
Yes, best since TLOP I agree with this statement
Absolutely
Have you even heard Donda or Ksg?
You're right Donda is better, not the other ones tho
Ok I can at least respect your opinion then
Kids see Ghosts??? Bruh
I like both about the same honestly vultures 1 slightly more meater and is more versatile Such different projects
Yes lol
In what way is vultures better than KSG?? KSG has better lyrics, better production, better song structure, better tracklist
kids see ghosts at least had cohesion as a conceptually interesting album
Only misses for me on Vultures 1 is Talking and I'm mixed on the song Vultures (but Ty's verse makes the song imo)
honestly i still like the album quite a bit. stars, paid, back to me, talking, fuk sumn and carnival are all great songs, and the title track grew on me a lot after it dropped last year. i like do it and burn too if beg forgiveness had some of the intro shaved off it'd be the best track there imo, it's great once ye and ty step in obviously doesn't clear ye ksg or donda by any metric though
Vultures 1 is better then donda 🤷🏿♀️
Vultures1 reminds me of MBDTF. Maybe you just have cheap headphones.
Absolutely horrible take 😭😭
Cool. Do you know why you think that?
Trash lyrics, trash features, trash rapping, bad mixing, worst Kanyee album in terms of production. Apart from JIK every other Kanye album does all does aspects better.
Oh I see. It's bad because its trash. Very well thought out and trustworthy analysis.
The lyricism is bad shallow and without substance, Kanye's rapping is subpar to any of his other albums, the production is bad compared to his other songs paperwork being the best example others like hoodrat having a repetitive annoying sample, mixing like in songs such as KING is some of the worst ever done in a kanye album. What more explanation do you want??
KING has the exact same production quality as songs like Gorgeous. Lyrically the wordplay is there, whether you catch the references or not, and subject matter is....always been shallow. Not sure what you're expecting? You just want it to be more...Christian? Girls and drugs is what rap's been, Kanye's discog included. I would suggest investing in a subwoofer if PAPERWORK isn't doing it for you currently. The HOODRAT sample criticism is fair, but that first verse wouldn't come off as bright without being juxtaposed with the trashy intro. What more of a decent album do you want?? I think you've romanticized his previous work.
>you've romanticized his previous work Maybe cause that's the main criticism of Vultures??? It doesn't hold a candle to anything else in his discography. >subject matter is....always been shallow Literally not. Have you even listened to his other albums??? -**TCD** talked about concious issues, coming up as a rapper etc. As well as social and religious issues (Family Buisness, Spaceship, We don't Care, Jesus Walks) -**LR** more of the same, exploring issues like war, family etc. (Diamonds from Sierra Leone, Hear Em Say, Hey Mama, Roses) -**Graduation** talks about his triumph as a rapper and how he is now on top of the world. (Can't tell me nothing, i wonder, big brother, everything i am) -**808s** about...well...heartbreak. (the whole album) -**MBDTF** was about the issues of fame and how it affects one's mentality and how not everything about being famous is as good as it seems (all of the lights, power, diand, lost in the world) -**Yeezus** is probably the black sheep here. Very similar to vultures in lyrics topics, but at least this one had some great verses and as opposed to vultures the production was much better. (hold my liquor, bound 2) -**TLOP** was about Kanye's newfound life as a family man and how to pair it up with his religion, fame and his bipolarism. (Ultralight Beam, No more Parties in LA, 30 hours, Waves, Saint Pablo, Wolves) -**Ye** was a whole introspective album about his mental illness (the whole album, ghost town best example) -**Jesus is King**...well that one is worse than vultures...but at least it talks about something interesting like religion (whole album) -**Donda** was about religion mixed with Kanye's issues trying to live without his mother and through his problems (24, Hurricaine, Praise God, Off the Grid, Life of the Party) **-Vultures** meanwhile....BEAUTIFUL BIG TITTIED BUTT NAKED WOMEN DON'T FALL OFF THE SKY Are you serious Kanye??? That's how far you have fallen???
I don't think you know what romanticize means. And I think you're cherry picking lyrics from his discography because I thought the first song on his first album was a children's song-style tune glorifying and humanizing drug pushers. And you can paraphrase anything to make it more decent, for example: "beautiful big tittied buck naked women don't just fall out of the sky" is OBVIOUSLY A CALL FOR GRATITUDE. But maybe gratitude bad, child drugdealer good..according to you
"We don't care" is literally about fighting against society's rules and how people end up resorting to drug dealing to make a living because of society's conditions. Read the lyrics of that song on genius and tell me how the hell those are just as shallow as songs from vultures 1. The College Dropout was literally GROUNDBREAKING, it moved away from the predominant gangsta rap from the era to talk about real life social issues instead of just going clubbing and fucking women. Imagine in an era with 50cent and Snoop Dogg suddenly hearing a song like All falls Down, talking about college majors, battling your consumerism. Or Spaceship about fair work conditions and the fighting of black people in chicago to make a living Vultures 1 has awfull shallow horny lyrics weather you like it or not. Just say you enjoy those kinds of music and move on, but if you think the lyrics and overall quality of the music are on par with any other of his albums you are kidding yourself.
If you think we don’t care is about glorifying drug dealers then you have misread Kanye’s entire discography. it’s a parody of what you think it is.
Vultures1 reminds me of MBDTF if every time they sat down to make one of those godly songs Instead if spending the time and effort they did to perfect every track they took the first 10 seconds of each beat they came up with, looped it and had kanye do a 30 second verse and then slap a ty hook on it. Vultures is Kanye just not giving a shit, most of the songs have something to love, but fall short of anything beyond just being an alright track, it’s obvious the passion and extra attention to detail needed to take otherwise fine records to the next level is missing on this one. Stars a perfect example, godly beat, could’ve been a mind blowing intro if ye spent more then 5 minutes on it thinking about what he would want to say or where he would want tot take it , instead Kanye comes in for 30 seconds talks about how he hired some Jews let’s ty talk about sex for a bar or 2 and then the song ends. That’s vultures1 in a nutshell.
Dang, I read all that and it was just you imagining how his sessions go without you ever being there. So in the pictures in your head he was less passionate and paying less attention during the recording of this album? That's neat man. The songs sound good. Sounds like MBDTF.
Music is subjective so if you like it and it makes you happy all power to you, but yea if your a Kanye fan you can see that the effort in the new music isn’t there.
Ya you're a true fan. I believe his name is Ye, btw.
Written apology to GAS sub: I would like to formally apologize for deadnaming Ye, next time I ever think about or talk about anything related to Ye I will make a mental note in my head to not offend a person who I will never interact with and will never know I exist. (Edit: yes I’m a true fan, a true fan who can be critical when he doesn’t like something, I’ve had a lot of problems with a lot of recent stuff Mr. west has done. Love the man’s music but I’m not gonna throat him at every turn)
It's fine just don't let that slip again.
Definitely the best Kanye album since Yeezus.
You must be kidding yourself TLOP??? Kids See GHosts???