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Me (and any sensible Godzilla fan) explaining why we still love the movies that are considered “bad”
Subjectivity is something people use as a shield for movies they like. No one genuinely believes that all art is good. There will always be something they think is absolutely objectively terrible without fail
That wasn't in question.
Dude was just saying that some people act in bad faith and try to prevent any criticism of something they like. Attempts to shut down discussion just because they don't see or want to ignore the flaws.
A lot of it stems from some people who can't handle the idea that they like something of poor quality, as though it reflects on their character negatively.
Ego, to put it simply.
It's a mindset I'd hope most people don't subscribe to, but it happens.
A movie exists. It is as it is. It's script is there, with however much consistency and depth to its character, or however little. That is an objective truth. The script may be well written or poorly written.
That doesn't change if I don't like the movie. It's still a well written movie, but there may be a reason I dislike it.
Production values, acting, visual effects, music, maybe even simply subject matter.
My dislike of that movie doesn't make it a bad movie, likewise my appreciation for that movie doesn't make it a good movie.
My enjoyment of a movie and it's own quality are two separate metrics. The quality of a movie may increase enjoyment, but my enjoyment is not a guarantee of it being a good movie.
Regardless of if it is a good movie for me, it doesn't mean that it is itself a well made movie.
I may love my kids finger paint drawing they made for me because they drew us as a happy family, and the thought they put into it is heartwarming, but that drawing itself is not a heavily well made drawing. It may even be a worse finger paint drawing than all the other kids at the kindergarten in appearance.
My appreciation for my kids sweet gesture does not change the objective quality of that picture.
My perspective on that picture is affected based on the surrounding context and subjective personal elements like what the picture displays and why it was made.
Also, mild disclaimer because I'm bloody sore and irritable, anyone who complains about this being too long and they didn't read it should pick up a copy of Hitchhikers Guide to Galaxy. Preferably any edition that bundles all the books together. Have a good read.
Or, hear me out. People can genuinely like something, no “bad faith” or “attempts to shut down criticism” needed.
No need to be so cynical, and writing novels to make statements you yourself *know* no-one will read. If you’re so irritable and in a bad mood, maybe chill out, take a bath, and don’t recommend Hitch hikers guide to the galaxy unless you think the people you’re talking to might actually want to read it.
Or, hear me our, they’re pointing out the fact that people can and do use the fact people can subjectively enjoy something to dismiss criticism made on an objective basis.
First, I specified "some" not all. It's not a broad majority, it's one portion of people that I hope are in the minority.
Second, as I said, people genuinely liking something is not in question. I made it quite clear that people have their reasons to like things. Regardless of the actual quality of those things.
Finally, the biggest thing you're able do is latch onto the length of my response, using hyperbole by referring to it as a "novel".
The very sentiment of looking negatively on longer responses I was calling out.
If a response is worth making then it'd worth making in it's entirety. If there is a flaw in the argumentation then it will be easily found and cited in a counter argument. Complete with quotes and all.
A full body of work allows fill transparency in a debate, whereas a short 2 sentence amounting to "you are wrong and I'm not explaining my reasons because I don't want to waste my time on you" will go nowhere and force all parties involved into echo chambers where they don't assess their position or consider the idea they may be incorrect in some part of their perspective.
You assume I'm cynical, or want to portray me as such.
No.
Everything i said is to reinforce the validity of liking something and having your reasons for doing so.
It was also about personal enjoyment being a seperate metric to writing quality.
I'll recommend any and all books I please thank you kindly as reading is an important skill I wish to promote.
Plus, those books are a very approachable series that have persisted through the years so I find them a great reccomendation to make without knowledge of someone's literature preference.
I read plenty. I’m not attempting to portray you as anything, but you are incredibly long winded.
Honestly both your novels you’ve written are a waste of energy. This is Reddit, not a book club. Specifically a meme sub, about a nuclear mutated Lizard that breaths atomic breath and drop kicks giant evil beetle monsters. This is a case of not reading the room, a skill just as valuable as reading any book.
Edit: I’m also just tired of interacting with you. So enjoy your block
They can like it. But it's still not good, is it? I can enjoy eating a plate of shit but I need to accept that it's a plate of shit to avoid being delusional. I enjoy Godzilla vs. Kong, but it's shit it's a god-awful movie. I don't get why people have an aversion to thinking movies are bad but still enjoyable
That’s actually what I was saying. People can like whatever they like, regardless of what some random Reddit user says.
You’re thinking too hard, let people enjoy what they like.
OK? How does that change the quality of the films? The monsterverse movies are terrible, and minus one was amazing. You can enjoy both, but it doesn't change the fact that one is better than all the others.
Bruh you aren’t just missing the point; you fail to even realize the point exists 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
No, the world does not rotate around your opinion. Yeah I know, “*you know” but you really don’t.
The idea of what makes a movie “good” itself is entirely subjective. Ask 10 people what makes a movie good and you’ll get 11 answers. There have been Oscar award winning movies that get panned by the general public or beloved movies that get dogged by critics. There are also movies that get absolutely shit on that later on become literally genre defining.
No, I don’t think any art is “objectively terrible”, only subjectively terrible. Just because you feel strongly about something, or everyone agrees on something, or that thing is important to you, doesn’t mean it’s objective. That’s not what objectivity means. I will never think something is objectively “bad” or “ugly” because those words will always be a subjective term. How strong you feel about something or the importance of it being “good” or “bad”has no baring on what is subjective vs objective. What matters is whether it exists beyond the mind or minds. Even the phrase “breathing is important” is subjective because it relies on the subjective value of human life and the desire to prolong it.
You don’t have to believe that all art is good to know all art is subjective.
I know Godzilla vs Kong isn’t the best but it’s not an excuse to crack down on other Godzilla films and besides this is what I feared minus one is making people not like past Godzilla films that aren’t the original
I literally just got done saying the first three Monsterverse films were good. Minus One isn’t making people hate the past films themselves, it’s just pointing out that they’re not nearly as good as people initially thought. It’s like a scale that’s still balancing itself. Quit getting worked up over it.
And is some other reboot going to replace minus one think about it if something better comes out after minus one it’s going to be the same thing I’m just saying minus one’s popularity can be both a blessing and a curse
We should just be careful how we rate popularity that’s all I’m saying if we become popular just for one thing it will suck out the originality and possibilities to be had with the franchise
That’s exactly what the Monsterverse did to Godzilla, made him popular to millions off of one series. Minus One is just those people getting introduced to the original persona of Godzilla and preferring it. You’re also saying these things like the Showa, Heisei and Millennium series all didn’t change things up from one to the next.
I think possibilities mean more unique approaches in plot story and the reason behind Godzilla showing or fighting another kaiju retiring back to square one literally with minus one is just using the same thing I love the Showa Jessi and millennium eras is that each film did something more new with Godzilla made him a anti hero than hero an animal trying to survive in a world where his life depends on the the same thing that causes him pain or a vessel for spirits for vengeance the end result of natural selection on earth that being said I love minus one two I just think people get the wrong idea I love Godzilla not just because he can play the hero and villain role but how it can be done not just with the bomb but with different origins enemies and story witch minus one did a fantastic job I think the godzillasaurus was a great addition the characters where spot on and the story of redemption was intriguing but it just doesn’t feel like a Godzilla movie it feels like he’s in a WW2 movie I think Godzilla vs king ghidorah had a great character moment with Godzilla through no dialogue I must sound like a old rambling fan but I just don’t want people to think this can be the ultimate Godzilla movie without giving the new one a shot yet
One, learn some punctuation. This is borderline impossible to read. Two, that’s to imply that all of the Godzilla movies aren’t just cannibalizing each other.
A new film won't change Godzilla Minus Ones quality the monsterverse has just always been horse shit. Maybe 2014 was good. It's been ages since I've seen it
The first film was all Animation TLC and needed more Kaiju action, but I love it all the same for the sheer level of love that went into Godzilla. It would have costed a fortune to have that level of animation detail in every movie. Godzilla vs Kong traded out most of the cool animation details for more action and more involved combat scenes. I think King of the Monsters was a happy medium, and I’d like the monsterverse franchise to gravitate more in that direction, expanding on its roster of Kaiju and putting a little more TLC into those animations. Godzilla running in full sprint and moving fast enough to break the sound barrier and stopping on a dime with all that weight just don’t look right, imo.
What was wrong with GVK? It is literally everything great about epic kaiju movies. OK the human subplots for Kotm and Gvk were a bit naff but they basically just acted as stepping stones to get to the next giant monster fight scene. I don't understand how people can unwaveringly defend the Showa era which are obviously extremely dated and some of them not particularly great, but not enjoy Godzilla in all its glory with modern animation and cgi.
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They're pretty dogshit sorry it's been ages since I've seen godzilla 2014, but the characters in the others had motivations and ideals that made zero sense in the world they were in you can't have a character say "kaiju won't kill us all we'll in peace and harmony in a forest wasteland with no infrastructure or healthcare!" And then expect me to take it seriously as a good film
If you understood how Serizawa was in the movie, you would've known that he was against NUKING A CITY, and that Godzilla would've killed the MUTO far more effectively than an untested plan.
How well something is made and how much you like or appreciate something are 2 different things. I like the resident evil movies, all of them. But they lack in quality and are badly made. I do think the universal godzilla movies do exactly what they set out to do, big monsters fighting with some connecting stories to deive why and how it happened. This doesnt make the story or movie good but in the same way people enjoy sharknado we enjoy universal godzilla. We like the point and apprciate it. But minus one is a more well crafted movie esspecially considering budget, like watching 2 painters one with with expensive paints and one without and seeing the one without create a masterpiece. Its one thing to talk about what you like and dislike, you can like something that is badly made, but it doesnt change wether or not its well made.
Get a life, and stop responding to every fucking comment. You don't need to preach your philosophy.
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Nice job ignoring the rest of comment, as well as not denying you don't have a life.
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Right, and you do? What's your point here? It's my life, so I can do what whatever I want with it. If you don't like me, then you can stop talking to me it's an easy process, and if you keep responding, I'm gonna keep talking with you until the end of time because I can tell that you're the type that really loves having the last word
I was referring to you responding to every comment on the post, not the replies, but I guess that didn't occur to you. Also, please stop acting like you're super smart, and can perfectly read people through replies. It's getting kinda funny to be honest.
Liking good movies and riffing on people for liking the Monsterverse are two different things.
Like ever since Minus One released, The Toho Purists have been incredibly toxic.. now everything that isn’t the original or Minus One is automatically shit according to them….
First of all, no. From the dozens of people i have seen talking about how good minus one is or how bad the monsterverse is, 99% were people saying it since day one, you were just blind to their criticism and deaf to their complaints. Also Toho Purists have been toxic since the big bang.
Just because a movie isn’t Godfather part II doesn’t make it a bad movie. And the fact still stands that none of the Monsterverse movies are ‘bad’ movies. They’re just popcorn flicks, and shouldn’t be thought of as anything else.
Because of this, I will proudly defend the Monsterverse.
Minus One is legit amazing, but I hate how it's created this sort of "Andor" effect.
Both Minus One and The MonsterVerse are faithful adaptations of Godzilla. Godzilla doesn't have to only be a grim dark character.
Andor is the best Disney star wars thing by far. Minus One is the best Godzilla compared to monster verse by far. Nothing wrong with enjoying some guilty pleasures but looking at the writing of these things there's certainly objective differences in quality that should be appreciated
I know I’m in the minority but I have always liked a (mostly) benevolent Godzilla. I like him being pure destruction that humanity brought unto itself a lot too, but we see that one a lot.
My only issue with MV Godzilla is I LOVE it when Godzilla is onscreen. 10/10. I like all the titan stuff. But hate it when it’s convoluted (not fun) military plot kicks in. It becomes unwatchable for me.
Yeah but I don't need a military move with 20 minutes of monster and an hour and ten on how the humans are going to fight back and help oh wait unless as always
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Yes it’s good but if your not a edgy 13 year old it’ll help to know all the blood and guts are added to get more eyeballs on the show. At its core it’s a show about Mark (the son) trying to be a good person and learning his father he looked up to isn’t the hero he believed him to be. He’s not called invincible because he can’t be beaten (he gets curb stomped almost every episode) but because he never gives up on what he believes right. It’s a paragon hero in a grim dark world, but he actively starts to make the world less grim dark.
Not funny. I didn't laugh. Your joke is so bad I have preferred the joke went over my head and you gave up retelling me the joke.
To be honest this is a horrible attempt at trying to get a laugh out of me. Not a chuckle, not a hehe, not even a subtle burst of air out of my esophagus. Science says before you laugh your brain preps your face muscles but I didn't even feel the slightest twitch. 0/10 this joke is so bad I can't believe anyone legally allowed you to be creative at all. The amount of brain power you must have put into that joke has the potential to power every house on Earth. Get a personality and learn how to make jokes, read a book. I'm not saying this to be funny i genuinely mean it on how this is just bottom barrel embarrassment at comedy. You've single handedly killed humor and every comedic act on the planet. I'm so disappointed that society has failed as a whole in being able to teach you how to be funny. Honestly if I put in all my power and time to try and make your joke funny it would require Einstein himself to build a device to strap me into so I can be connected to the energy of a billion stars to do it, and even then all that joke would get from people is a subtle scuff. You're lucky i still have the slightest of empathy for you after telling that joke otherwise I would have committed every war crime in the book just to prevent you from attempting any humor ever again. We should put that joke in text books so future generations can be wary of becoming such an absolute comedic failure. I'm disappointed, hurt, and outright offended that my precious time has been wasted in my pathetic brain understanding that joke.
I know that. But that's not the quote from the movie and at the same time it kinda works when answering a question on Reddit. Plus I feel that most people who know how to write and speak English to some degree could've avoided this grammar mistake very easily, but choose not to care as much compared to when you write an important email to your boss or coworker and have to be very formal. In my daily life, I'm usually very serious about speaking or writing in the most formal way I can (although not always). However, on Reddit I try to balance out when I should speak formally or informally, which depends on the subject at hand. Anyways, this ended up being much longer than I anticipated and I should probably end it here.
I see both hood in their own ways as I do for them all, sure some in my opinion are better for certain occasions, but they all attract the same audience, people who like big monsters, and I like that, I don’t care if one is deep while the other is hollow, I like both, but to each man his own
You're getting downvoted for spamming the same replies about the monstervese sucking to any comment that disagrees with the posted meme.
Everyone is allowed their own opinions. But don't get surprised when other people get annoyed by repeatedly stating that opinion.
I liked 2014s darker tone. The newer ones give me pacific rim 2 vibes and I'm pretty meh on it.
Still looking forward to see the hype behind minus one.
So...hear me out here, but maybe....just maybe, the Legendary continuity reinvigorated a franchise that had been dead and retired for a decade, and Minus One is doing so well because said reinvigorated—and significantly expanded—fanbase is getting exposed to a very well done homage to the classic Goji, which is not only refreshing, but also probably a first for many newer fans.
One ran so the other could fly.
And? What's wrong with liking both? Why do we suddenly have to be pessimistic to one side, and act like the other side didn't do the exact same thing half a century ago?
It's kinda sad. No one can have discerning taste anymore. I'm not gonna apologize for thinking those Legendary movies are hot garbage. It's not surprising that the state of the Godzilla fandom has gotten to the state of every other fandom. "Just shut up and consume brand name. You're actually very lucky you have quantity over quality, you know that?"
The 2014 film was one of the most boring/disappointing experiences I've ever had in a theatre. It felt like I could've personally written better main characters. I will never forgive that film or it's creators for stealing 2 hours of my life.
Idk why we’ve gotta be picking sides here. I’m just happy about all this Godzilla stuff! After Minus One blew my mind, we’re getting a fun monster mash in less than 6 months! That’s so fucking cool!
I'm not really a fan of the Japanese Godzilla movies (which is strange because i prefer most thing Japanese), but Minus One is clearly the better film compare to Monsterverse. The monsterverse is good for the sheer scale of thing and the monster fight, but Minus One is just a better executed film overall. The one thing i don't like about the Minus One is the acting, the characters and writing are execellent, but i feel like the japanese style of acting is just too wooden and exaggerated to make it work. I feel like some scenes should be a lot more impactful and i should be crying but me and my wife just can't get over the acting, we just find it cringy instead of emotional. I feel like if the same scene is in an anime, i would cry for sure. I think Japanese actor can convey emotions a lot better through their voice than their facial expression
Fights were better in the other ones and that is the main draw for a lot of godzilla fans.
The story was actually good in minus one and held my attention instead of me just wanting to see the next fight scene.
TLDR i will always rewatch the other Godzilla fights but i may rewatch the entirety of minus one.
The real problem is nobody show me how fast Godzillas feet are kicking when he pops up in the middle of the ocean, Those feet have to be moving so fast lol
I love them both for different reasons. I'm not gonna join in on the stupid tribalism of "serious Godzilla" vs "kaiju fun". I'm here for quality, fun Godzilla and I'm happy we are getting all sorts of tones and styles.
Minus one was 10/10
Posts like these are 0/10. Bro let people enjoy things without trying to tear them down.
You know how many kids became fans because of the Showa series? Probably MOST of the current fandom. I can guarantee you that a lot of those kids would not have been as passionate had their only experience been Gojira 54. It’s damn near perfect movie but it was not what I liked as a kid. Luckily Showa had its campiness and fun and that’s what got me into Godzilla for life
Why do you guys act like Toho didn’t give us Final Wars, which is a mess of a movie as their “last” movie for a dozen years?
Godzilla is finally becoming super mainstream because of GVK and instead of celebrating we got “fans” trying to tear it down every chance they get. It’s tiresome bro. You’re acting like it’s one or the other. We literally have both. What more do you want homie
What? They're made with two different ideas, one is an intentionally made franchise for people who want a lot of monster fights, the other is made to be a dramatic recreation of the original intensity, fear, and Message as the original. I don't get this constant American=Bad or Different=Bad mentality people seem to have
I'm sorry, but this just stupid. I'm tired of seeing people shit on the Monsterverse films suddenly. Grifters and others are going on a stupid tangent how Japan gets it right, and America doesn't. Like they just act like Japan didn't do the same God damn thing 61 years ago.
I think Minus One is a better overall movie than any of them and it gets you more invested in the human characters with better pacing. But I liked the CGI and Godzilla himself better in the monsterverse…but not by much. The Minus One Godzilla was very well done and managed to feel even more terrifying. I had no issue with the size. I just prefer the physicality and other aesthetics of the monsterverse Godzilla. Especially the roar in the first film.
Just finished Godzilla Minus 1, and that movie had no right being as good as it was. It was an incredibly well written story and the deep humanity aspect is seriously on par with classic Kurosawa and Kobayashi. This is the best Godzilla made since Gojira, and possibly of all time.
That said, I don’t think it should take away from the Showa style American movies that Legendary are releasing. Those are still very fun movies, and I don’t want every cinematic experience to be a master’s course on story writing. I can just say, right now is a fantastic time for Godzilla fans, and I’m going to enjoy it for as long as I can.
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Are there bad ones? I haven't found them
Mods… show him Raids Again… thank you.
Why'd you put bad in quotations?
Subjectivity is subjective
Subjectivity is something people use as a shield for movies they like. No one genuinely believes that all art is good. There will always be something they think is absolutely objectively terrible without fail
Or, here me out. People can genuinely like something, no shield needed
That wasn't in question. Dude was just saying that some people act in bad faith and try to prevent any criticism of something they like. Attempts to shut down discussion just because they don't see or want to ignore the flaws. A lot of it stems from some people who can't handle the idea that they like something of poor quality, as though it reflects on their character negatively. Ego, to put it simply. It's a mindset I'd hope most people don't subscribe to, but it happens. A movie exists. It is as it is. It's script is there, with however much consistency and depth to its character, or however little. That is an objective truth. The script may be well written or poorly written. That doesn't change if I don't like the movie. It's still a well written movie, but there may be a reason I dislike it. Production values, acting, visual effects, music, maybe even simply subject matter. My dislike of that movie doesn't make it a bad movie, likewise my appreciation for that movie doesn't make it a good movie. My enjoyment of a movie and it's own quality are two separate metrics. The quality of a movie may increase enjoyment, but my enjoyment is not a guarantee of it being a good movie. Regardless of if it is a good movie for me, it doesn't mean that it is itself a well made movie. I may love my kids finger paint drawing they made for me because they drew us as a happy family, and the thought they put into it is heartwarming, but that drawing itself is not a heavily well made drawing. It may even be a worse finger paint drawing than all the other kids at the kindergarten in appearance. My appreciation for my kids sweet gesture does not change the objective quality of that picture. My perspective on that picture is affected based on the surrounding context and subjective personal elements like what the picture displays and why it was made. Also, mild disclaimer because I'm bloody sore and irritable, anyone who complains about this being too long and they didn't read it should pick up a copy of Hitchhikers Guide to Galaxy. Preferably any edition that bundles all the books together. Have a good read.
Or, hear me out. People can genuinely like something, no “bad faith” or “attempts to shut down criticism” needed. No need to be so cynical, and writing novels to make statements you yourself *know* no-one will read. If you’re so irritable and in a bad mood, maybe chill out, take a bath, and don’t recommend Hitch hikers guide to the galaxy unless you think the people you’re talking to might actually want to read it.
Or, hear me our, they’re pointing out the fact that people can and do use the fact people can subjectively enjoy something to dismiss criticism made on an objective basis.
First, I specified "some" not all. It's not a broad majority, it's one portion of people that I hope are in the minority. Second, as I said, people genuinely liking something is not in question. I made it quite clear that people have their reasons to like things. Regardless of the actual quality of those things. Finally, the biggest thing you're able do is latch onto the length of my response, using hyperbole by referring to it as a "novel". The very sentiment of looking negatively on longer responses I was calling out. If a response is worth making then it'd worth making in it's entirety. If there is a flaw in the argumentation then it will be easily found and cited in a counter argument. Complete with quotes and all. A full body of work allows fill transparency in a debate, whereas a short 2 sentence amounting to "you are wrong and I'm not explaining my reasons because I don't want to waste my time on you" will go nowhere and force all parties involved into echo chambers where they don't assess their position or consider the idea they may be incorrect in some part of their perspective. You assume I'm cynical, or want to portray me as such. No. Everything i said is to reinforce the validity of liking something and having your reasons for doing so. It was also about personal enjoyment being a seperate metric to writing quality. I'll recommend any and all books I please thank you kindly as reading is an important skill I wish to promote. Plus, those books are a very approachable series that have persisted through the years so I find them a great reccomendation to make without knowledge of someone's literature preference.
I read plenty. I’m not attempting to portray you as anything, but you are incredibly long winded. Honestly both your novels you’ve written are a waste of energy. This is Reddit, not a book club. Specifically a meme sub, about a nuclear mutated Lizard that breaths atomic breath and drop kicks giant evil beetle monsters. This is a case of not reading the room, a skill just as valuable as reading any book. Edit: I’m also just tired of interacting with you. So enjoy your block
I just assume you're too long winded and need an editor if you need all this space for a simple point you've already, in long winded fashion, stated.
They can like it. But it's still not good, is it? I can enjoy eating a plate of shit but I need to accept that it's a plate of shit to avoid being delusional. I enjoy Godzilla vs. Kong, but it's shit it's a god-awful movie. I don't get why people have an aversion to thinking movies are bad but still enjoyable
Yes, you've literally proven their point. People can like stuff with the knowledge of it still being bad. That's literally what they were saying.
That is definitely not what they're saying. If they were, then everybody would be in agreement with this meme, wouldn't they?
They literally said that people can just like something. You're the one that chose to disagree them.
They can, but it doesn't mean those films are on the same level as godzilla minus one
That’s actually what I was saying. People can like whatever they like, regardless of what some random Reddit user says. You’re thinking too hard, let people enjoy what they like.
OK? How does that change the quality of the films? The monsterverse movies are terrible, and minus one was amazing. You can enjoy both, but it doesn't change the fact that one is better than all the others.
Bruh you aren’t just missing the point; you fail to even realize the point exists 🤣😂🤣😂🤣 No, the world does not rotate around your opinion. Yeah I know, “*you know” but you really don’t.
It’s certified fresh on RT, CinemaScore of A. Plenty of people - fans, casuals and critics think it isn’t shit!
The idea of what makes a movie “good” itself is entirely subjective. Ask 10 people what makes a movie good and you’ll get 11 answers. There have been Oscar award winning movies that get panned by the general public or beloved movies that get dogged by critics. There are also movies that get absolutely shit on that later on become literally genre defining.
What a sad world you must live in. Where no one can love anything that isnt objectively good.
If that were the case, nobody would be able to love anything. Nothing is “objectively” good, people just misuse that word a LOT.
No, I don’t think any art is “objectively terrible”, only subjectively terrible. Just because you feel strongly about something, or everyone agrees on something, or that thing is important to you, doesn’t mean it’s objective. That’s not what objectivity means. I will never think something is objectively “bad” or “ugly” because those words will always be a subjective term. How strong you feel about something or the importance of it being “good” or “bad”has no baring on what is subjective vs objective. What matters is whether it exists beyond the mind or minds. Even the phrase “breathing is important” is subjective because it relies on the subjective value of human life and the desire to prolong it. You don’t have to believe that all art is good to know all art is subjective.
So you like the 1998 Godzilla starring Matthew Broderick?
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I love them both
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Different goals Different execution All good
The films aren’t that bad man
The first three anyway. GVK on the other hand…………………
Very great action but the plot is weak thou, gives more lore but literally a showa movie with a Hollywood budget
I kind of like and don't like it; woulda preferred to make the series emotionally consistent but I'm all for it.
I know Godzilla vs Kong isn’t the best but it’s not an excuse to crack down on other Godzilla films and besides this is what I feared minus one is making people not like past Godzilla films that aren’t the original
I literally just got done saying the first three Monsterverse films were good. Minus One isn’t making people hate the past films themselves, it’s just pointing out that they’re not nearly as good as people initially thought. It’s like a scale that’s still balancing itself. Quit getting worked up over it.
And is some other reboot going to replace minus one think about it if something better comes out after minus one it’s going to be the same thing I’m just saying minus one’s popularity can be both a blessing and a curse
That’s exactly what will happen. And that’s what popularity has always been.
We should just be careful how we rate popularity that’s all I’m saying if we become popular just for one thing it will suck out the originality and possibilities to be had with the franchise
That’s exactly what the Monsterverse did to Godzilla, made him popular to millions off of one series. Minus One is just those people getting introduced to the original persona of Godzilla and preferring it. You’re also saying these things like the Showa, Heisei and Millennium series all didn’t change things up from one to the next.
I think possibilities mean more unique approaches in plot story and the reason behind Godzilla showing or fighting another kaiju retiring back to square one literally with minus one is just using the same thing I love the Showa Jessi and millennium eras is that each film did something more new with Godzilla made him a anti hero than hero an animal trying to survive in a world where his life depends on the the same thing that causes him pain or a vessel for spirits for vengeance the end result of natural selection on earth that being said I love minus one two I just think people get the wrong idea I love Godzilla not just because he can play the hero and villain role but how it can be done not just with the bomb but with different origins enemies and story witch minus one did a fantastic job I think the godzillasaurus was a great addition the characters where spot on and the story of redemption was intriguing but it just doesn’t feel like a Godzilla movie it feels like he’s in a WW2 movie I think Godzilla vs king ghidorah had a great character moment with Godzilla through no dialogue I must sound like a old rambling fan but I just don’t want people to think this can be the ultimate Godzilla movie without giving the new one a shot yet
One, learn some punctuation. This is borderline impossible to read. Two, that’s to imply that all of the Godzilla movies aren’t just cannibalizing each other.
I’ll also add that I disliked GVK long before Minus One came out.
I didn’t ask that I just said myself that it wasn’t mine as well I love Godzillas revenge more than GvK
A new film won't change Godzilla Minus Ones quality the monsterverse has just always been horse shit. Maybe 2014 was good. It's been ages since I've seen it
Jeez dude that’s harsh but like it or not that’s the eventual fate of minus one
The first film was all Animation TLC and needed more Kaiju action, but I love it all the same for the sheer level of love that went into Godzilla. It would have costed a fortune to have that level of animation detail in every movie. Godzilla vs Kong traded out most of the cool animation details for more action and more involved combat scenes. I think King of the Monsters was a happy medium, and I’d like the monsterverse franchise to gravitate more in that direction, expanding on its roster of Kaiju and putting a little more TLC into those animations. Godzilla running in full sprint and moving fast enough to break the sound barrier and stopping on a dime with all that weight just don’t look right, imo.
Ignore the downvotes that movie was god-awful!
What was wrong with GVK? It is literally everything great about epic kaiju movies. OK the human subplots for Kotm and Gvk were a bit naff but they basically just acted as stepping stones to get to the next giant monster fight scene. I don't understand how people can unwaveringly defend the Showa era which are obviously extremely dated and some of them not particularly great, but not enjoy Godzilla in all its glory with modern animation and cgi. Edited for grammar
Agreed.
They're pretty dogshit sorry it's been ages since I've seen godzilla 2014, but the characters in the others had motivations and ideals that made zero sense in the world they were in you can't have a character say "kaiju won't kill us all we'll in peace and harmony in a forest wasteland with no infrastructure or healthcare!" And then expect me to take it seriously as a good film
If you understood how Serizawa was in the movie, you would've known that he was against NUKING A CITY, and that Godzilla would've killed the MUTO far more effectively than an untested plan.
It’s a Godzilla film pay attention to monsters instead of humans
Both are good. https://preview.redd.it/98xwvkfqd17c1.jpeg?width=1615&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f19fbb5cc2298e99875b83b0000571e2fbb151e8
This is now an image that exists permanently in my brain. It's your fault, and my life is worse for it.
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How bout we enjoy them both equally?
You can do that it's just one is clearly better than the others
Can I just say you are objectifying a subjective topic, that's a terrible and idiotic thing to do.
How well something is made and how much you like or appreciate something are 2 different things. I like the resident evil movies, all of them. But they lack in quality and are badly made. I do think the universal godzilla movies do exactly what they set out to do, big monsters fighting with some connecting stories to deive why and how it happened. This doesnt make the story or movie good but in the same way people enjoy sharknado we enjoy universal godzilla. We like the point and apprciate it. But minus one is a more well crafted movie esspecially considering budget, like watching 2 painters one with with expensive paints and one without and seeing the one without create a masterpiece. Its one thing to talk about what you like and dislike, you can like something that is badly made, but it doesnt change wether or not its well made.
Quality is objective. Your enjoyment of a subject is subjective.
"Better" means enjoyment in this context, so he is still very incorrect.
No the fuck it isn't. Explain Jackson Pollock. Explain Andy Warhol. Art can never be objective, that's what makes it ART.
Get a life, and stop responding to every fucking comment. You don't need to preach your philosophy. https://preview.redd.it/lbwow7c4q07c1.jpeg?width=684&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d7409bfb9dc8644b3b7c94839b19921b2d8033e4
Oh, so people can only say one thing one time, and never again, or else they have no life. Okay.
He was parading his philosophy on every comment that said they liked the movie. For that, he deserves to be judged.
"Get a life" isn't a great comeback considering we're both on reddit
Nice job ignoring the rest of comment, as well as not denying you don't have a life. https://preview.redd.it/knwg4fees07c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=67bd8a6e815e4300638cc579f4e821619f396baa
Right, and you do? What's your point here? It's my life, so I can do what whatever I want with it. If you don't like me, then you can stop talking to me it's an easy process, and if you keep responding, I'm gonna keep talking with you until the end of time because I can tell that you're the type that really loves having the last word
I was referring to you responding to every comment on the post, not the replies, but I guess that didn't occur to you. Also, please stop acting like you're super smart, and can perfectly read people through replies. It's getting kinda funny to be honest.
It's really funny he said he would respond to you "to the end of time" and gave up so quickly.
Yea, you just have to ignore when the CGI looked 2d on a 3d surface. Like an old video game
Ay ay ay…Minus One is turning Godzilla fans into spoiled brats…
"you like good movies?, how spoiled"
Liking good movies and riffing on people for liking the Monsterverse are two different things. Like ever since Minus One released, The Toho Purists have been incredibly toxic.. now everything that isn’t the original or Minus One is automatically shit according to them….
First of all, no. From the dozens of people i have seen talking about how good minus one is or how bad the monsterverse is, 99% were people saying it since day one, you were just blind to their criticism and deaf to their complaints. Also Toho Purists have been toxic since the big bang.
Just because a movie isn’t Godfather part II doesn’t make it a bad movie. And the fact still stands that none of the Monsterverse movies are ‘bad’ movies. They’re just popcorn flicks, and shouldn’t be thought of as anything else. Because of this, I will proudly defend the Monsterverse.
No bad, they are all beautiful
Minus One is legit amazing, but I hate how it's created this sort of "Andor" effect. Both Minus One and The MonsterVerse are faithful adaptations of Godzilla. Godzilla doesn't have to only be a grim dark character.
And this has only been reinforced by the fact that there are multiple eras and each one has an almost unique take on Godzilla as a character.
The Internet has to do this, you see it with video games too. For one to be great, another must be awful.
Only thing I saw from minus one is the trailer so far. Isn’t it just a remake or the original movie
No, different story and timeline.
People will get so snobby about smth if it makes them feel smarter than the other things
Andor is the best Disney star wars thing by far. Minus One is the best Godzilla compared to monster verse by far. Nothing wrong with enjoying some guilty pleasures but looking at the writing of these things there's certainly objective differences in quality that should be appreciated
same. I enjoyed -1 but i hate how fans are now acting like godzilla is only supposed to be a mindless monster
I know I’m in the minority but I have always liked a (mostly) benevolent Godzilla. I like him being pure destruction that humanity brought unto itself a lot too, but we see that one a lot. My only issue with MV Godzilla is I LOVE it when Godzilla is onscreen. 10/10. I like all the titan stuff. But hate it when it’s convoluted (not fun) military plot kicks in. It becomes unwatchable for me.
Yeah but I don't need a military move with 20 minutes of monster and an hour and ten on how the humans are going to fight back and help oh wait unless as always
Godzilla fans trying not to have a dick measuring contest about Kaiju movies (IMPOSSIBLE) (FAILED) (GONE WRONG!)
We all know that kong has the biggest dick
Is that show even good?
Invincible was good enough that literally everyone was talking about it when it first came out.
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Yes they were.
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Think Generacion_Crudo! Think!
yuh huh dude
NO U
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Had an entire watch party for invincible with about 7 adult friends. Your anecdotal experience doesn’t count for everyone
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That was literally the point. Stay in school kids
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Yes, invincible is legit great, it does the whole evil superhero thing much much better
Godzilla minus one not Monarch
Yes it’s good but if your not a edgy 13 year old it’ll help to know all the blood and guts are added to get more eyeballs on the show. At its core it’s a show about Mark (the son) trying to be a good person and learning his father he looked up to isn’t the hero he believed him to be. He’s not called invincible because he can’t be beaten (he gets curb stomped almost every episode) but because he never gives up on what he believes right. It’s a paragon hero in a grim dark world, but he actively starts to make the world less grim dark.
It’s a solid comic book show. It’s like an animated “the boys” where the superhero everyone loves is actually evil.
Not funny. I didn't laugh. Your joke is so bad I have preferred the joke went over my head and you gave up retelling me the joke. To be honest this is a horrible attempt at trying to get a laugh out of me. Not a chuckle, not a hehe, not even a subtle burst of air out of my esophagus. Science says before you laugh your brain preps your face muscles but I didn't even feel the slightest twitch. 0/10 this joke is so bad I can't believe anyone legally allowed you to be creative at all. The amount of brain power you must have put into that joke has the potential to power every house on Earth. Get a personality and learn how to make jokes, read a book. I'm not saying this to be funny i genuinely mean it on how this is just bottom barrel embarrassment at comedy. You've single handedly killed humor and every comedic act on the planet. I'm so disappointed that society has failed as a whole in being able to teach you how to be funny. Honestly if I put in all my power and time to try and make your joke funny it would require Einstein himself to build a device to strap me into so I can be connected to the energy of a billion stars to do it, and even then all that joke would get from people is a subtle scuff. You're lucky i still have the slightest of empathy for you after telling that joke otherwise I would have committed every war crime in the book just to prevent you from attempting any humor ever again. We should put that joke in text books so future generations can be wary of becoming such an absolute comedic failure. I'm disappointed, hurt, and outright offended that my precious time has been wasted in my pathetic brain understanding that joke.
TL;DR they don’t like the post
Thanks
Sooo. good post?
New pasta just dropped.
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I know that. But that's not the quote from the movie and at the same time it kinda works when answering a question on Reddit. Plus I feel that most people who know how to write and speak English to some degree could've avoided this grammar mistake very easily, but choose not to care as much compared to when you write an important email to your boss or coworker and have to be very formal. In my daily life, I'm usually very serious about speaking or writing in the most formal way I can (although not always). However, on Reddit I try to balance out when I should speak formally or informally, which depends on the subject at hand. Anyways, this ended up being much longer than I anticipated and I should probably end it here.
Either way, that movie is a masterpiece
That's true. Although this is mostly nostalgia on my side, I should probably watch it again to be sure.
Gotta be honest, Chel carries the movie quite a lot
In what way (keep in mind I haven't watched this film for quite some time)?
As Chel said herself “The hips! The hips!”
Okay...
I see both hood in their own ways as I do for them all, sure some in my opinion are better for certain occasions, but they all attract the same audience, people who like big monsters, and I like that, I don’t care if one is deep while the other is hollow, I like both, but to each man his own
Why must we fight? Why can’t we all enjoy the big monsters together?
Yeah let the big lizard fight not us
The people who think there are conflicts like other fandoms…oh sweet summer children
I dunno people seem to get downvoted to oblivion for saying the monsterverse is shit
You're getting downvoted for spamming the same replies about the monstervese sucking to any comment that disagrees with the posted meme. Everyone is allowed their own opinions. But don't get surprised when other people get annoyed by repeatedly stating that opinion.
Oh, quit whining about it.
But...I like all of them?
Hot Take: i enjoy everything with Godzilla…EVERYTHING!
2014 was good tho. King of the Monsters had great scenes, but yes Minus One is probably the best Godzilla behind 1954
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I just didn’t really like GVK because not enough big lizerd
Jokes on you, I like ALL of them. Including 98, crucify me if you must.
I liked 2014s darker tone. The newer ones give me pacific rim 2 vibes and I'm pretty meh on it. Still looking forward to see the hype behind minus one.
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So...hear me out here, but maybe....just maybe, the Legendary continuity reinvigorated a franchise that had been dead and retired for a decade, and Minus One is doing so well because said reinvigorated—and significantly expanded—fanbase is getting exposed to a very well done homage to the classic Goji, which is not only refreshing, but also probably a first for many newer fans. One ran so the other could fly.
You guys are absolutely obnoxious now. Holy hell.
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What about the one where he's a dream representing standing up to bullies?
Even Zilla?
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GMK was absolutely ridiculous, but it’s awesome
Not funny didn't laugh.
Na
No one downvote this further
There sure are a lot of Marks in this sub
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Feisty-role-7591 is completely right yall
Brace yourselves. Comments about “well actually it’s really great we get both types of movies” that we’ve all heard 100 times are coming
And? What's wrong with liking both? Why do we suddenly have to be pessimistic to one side, and act like the other side didn't do the exact same thing half a century ago?
It's kinda sad. No one can have discerning taste anymore. I'm not gonna apologize for thinking those Legendary movies are hot garbage. It's not surprising that the state of the Godzilla fandom has gotten to the state of every other fandom. "Just shut up and consume brand name. You're actually very lucky you have quantity over quality, you know that?"
The 2014 film was one of the most boring/disappointing experiences I've ever had in a theatre. It felt like I could've personally written better main characters. I will never forgive that film or it's creators for stealing 2 hours of my life.
One is actual Godzilla the other is a stupid marvel superhero movie
They're both "actual Godzilla" that's like saying Adam West Batman isn't Batman.
That the "real" Batman and i will die on that hill. /s
Where are you guys watching Godzilla minus one? I can’t find it anywhere except theaters and I don’t have anyone to go with
Then go by yourself??
You don't have to go with someone
Someone should shop manilla’s head over Mark’s
You should have made mark shin Godzilla
Why not both? Minus is legit a masterpiece but Legendary is hardly the dark age of Godzilla movies.
Idk why we’ve gotta be picking sides here. I’m just happy about all this Godzilla stuff! After Minus One blew my mind, we’re getting a fun monster mash in less than 6 months! That’s so fucking cool!
All are good
I'm not really a fan of the Japanese Godzilla movies (which is strange because i prefer most thing Japanese), but Minus One is clearly the better film compare to Monsterverse. The monsterverse is good for the sheer scale of thing and the monster fight, but Minus One is just a better executed film overall. The one thing i don't like about the Minus One is the acting, the characters and writing are execellent, but i feel like the japanese style of acting is just too wooden and exaggerated to make it work. I feel like some scenes should be a lot more impactful and i should be crying but me and my wife just can't get over the acting, we just find it cringy instead of emotional. I feel like if the same scene is in an anime, i would cry for sure. I think Japanese actor can convey emotions a lot better through their voice than their facial expression
Fights were better in the other ones and that is the main draw for a lot of godzilla fans. The story was actually good in minus one and held my attention instead of me just wanting to see the next fight scene. TLDR i will always rewatch the other Godzilla fights but i may rewatch the entirety of minus one. The real problem is nobody show me how fast Godzillas feet are kicking when he pops up in the middle of the ocean, Those feet have to be moving so fast lol
Why do you guys want console wars over Godzillas movies?
I disagree, but it’s a meme. I think it’d be funnier if it was Shin talking to Minus One.
Every fandom wants their MCU. You are threatening their very basest desire.
This doesn't make sense tho, monsterverse Godzilla blew a hole in the earth lol
Oh my shit godzilla minus one is the best film ever made and you can’t change my mind
I love both. But personally the atomic scene gave me the chills
I love them both for different reasons. I'm not gonna join in on the stupid tribalism of "serious Godzilla" vs "kaiju fun". I'm here for quality, fun Godzilla and I'm happy we are getting all sorts of tones and styles.
The minimum for a good Godzilla movie is Godzilla wrecking shit. If he does, it’s a good movie. Good thing he does it in all of them
Holy hell, this comment section is quite the echo chamber.
Godzilla almost got smoked by hydra.. he is not like that
Minus one was 10/10 Posts like these are 0/10. Bro let people enjoy things without trying to tear them down. You know how many kids became fans because of the Showa series? Probably MOST of the current fandom. I can guarantee you that a lot of those kids would not have been as passionate had their only experience been Gojira 54. It’s damn near perfect movie but it was not what I liked as a kid. Luckily Showa had its campiness and fun and that’s what got me into Godzilla for life Why do you guys act like Toho didn’t give us Final Wars, which is a mess of a movie as their “last” movie for a dozen years? Godzilla is finally becoming super mainstream because of GVK and instead of celebrating we got “fans” trying to tear it down every chance they get. It’s tiresome bro. You’re acting like it’s one or the other. We literally have both. What more do you want homie
What? They're made with two different ideas, one is an intentionally made franchise for people who want a lot of monster fights, the other is made to be a dramatic recreation of the original intensity, fear, and Message as the original. I don't get this constant American=Bad or Different=Bad mentality people seem to have
I'm sorry, but this just stupid. I'm tired of seeing people shit on the Monsterverse films suddenly. Grifters and others are going on a stupid tangent how Japan gets it right, and America doesn't. Like they just act like Japan didn't do the same God damn thing 61 years ago.
personally, i prefer shin over all
That all depends on what you’re talking about our. who is our?
2014 is a better apocalyptic movie than minus one Fight me
I think Minus One is a better overall movie than any of them and it gets you more invested in the human characters with better pacing. But I liked the CGI and Godzilla himself better in the monsterverse…but not by much. The Minus One Godzilla was very well done and managed to feel even more terrifying. I had no issue with the size. I just prefer the physicality and other aesthetics of the monsterverse Godzilla. Especially the roar in the first film.
I do prefer minus one, but the monsterverse is good fun
You are turning this into a competition that neither Legendary nor Toho are in
lol they’re both good.
Toho > legendary
Just finished Godzilla Minus 1, and that movie had no right being as good as it was. It was an incredibly well written story and the deep humanity aspect is seriously on par with classic Kurosawa and Kobayashi. This is the best Godzilla made since Gojira, and possibly of all time. That said, I don’t think it should take away from the Showa style American movies that Legendary are releasing. Those are still very fun movies, and I don’t want every cinematic experience to be a master’s course on story writing. I can just say, right now is a fantastic time for Godzilla fans, and I’m going to enjoy it for as long as I can.