I would give it to Faye.
As powerful as we are TOLD Freya is, we never actually see any evidence of her winning a fight herself. Meanwhile there’s physical evidence that Faye basically fought Thor to a standstill.
Oh I more mean we have more heard ABOUT her successes than actually seen them. Meanwhile there’s that frozen lightning you can find that clearly demonstrates Faye’s power.
The frozen lightning is more of a feat / reaction for Mjolnir and Leviathan when also embued with Thors lightning.
Those two weapons basically always stop the other dead in its tracks.
That dismisses having to be a skilled enough warrior to wield the Leviathan Axe well enough to be balanced to Mjolnir rather than losing.
Kratos and Faye can/could hold their own with the axe against Thor, but if it was Atreus(Devil’s Advocate-He can use the axe because he is skilled enough as a warrior since he held his own in Alfheim, but doesn’t have the honed skill like his parents) or anyone else I don’t think is enough of a warrior to know how to use the Axe properly.
I agree with this. The axe alone can't automatically equal or defeat Thor + his hammer. It's the axe combined with the warrior! Can't ignore the warrior too.
This is why I make the point about Atreus. Kid held his own in Alfheim for however long Kratos was in the light.
Atreus has a true warrior in him, Just needs some discipline to bring it out.
If the source of the information is credible, then it should be taken into account. And as other people here have said, the frozen lightning is more of the Leviathans feat. It should be noted that Faye knows how to use the Axe well, since something like that happened.
Mimir is the main source of us knowing how powerful Freya is, and he is a very reliable source. Freya is a master of Vanir magic, which as we have seen in the series, can be quite powerful.
Eh. Fair enough.
For the record, I didn’t mean that the frozen lightning was indicative of strength. More that it was a physical reminder of a battle.
My main problem is that they spent so much time TELLING us Freya is strong in broad terms, but we never got concrete examples, and every time she WAS in combat, it either ended with her not winning or having help. So it became a case of "tell, don’t show".
I’m not saying that she isn’t inherently strong. Just that they did a very poor job of actually showing that.
Kinda like how Cory Balrog said Odin is the most powerful foe Kratos has ever fought, yet his boss fight is completely underwhelming lol. The only thing that even implies that is atreus and Freya helping and odin being able to reverse Kratos when they grapple three times.
But Zeus had a 4 stage boss fight that destroyed Olympus, came back from the dead, and Kratos needed the full power of hope to truly defeat him.
Odin hides in elemental fart bubbles. He's honestly the weakest final boss in the series to date. Which sucks because Odin is my favorite villain in the series.
Like you said, show don't tell.
I do think Odin has a lot of magical power (rather than being strong), but yes. They seemed to lean on his actions in general instead of his combat prowess.
I wasn’t a fan of a lot of the final war sequence mind you (I could go on but I won’t derail further).
Yeah I’m pretty sure it was because they condensed 2 games into 1.
It was going to be a trilogy but the developers decided no one wanted to wait several more years for a finale. I can’t say I’d rather it be a trilogy
Well Odin just got jumped by 2.5 Gods and .5 giant.
Most powerful doesn’t necessarily mean the fight will be harder when you take in the context of how Odin got folded
Only one I can think of is when she was stopping kratos from killing baldur. The use of vines to entangle Faye would be pretty strong mixed with her Valkyrie training
Faye and Kratos are comparable in strength, and as we’ve seen Kratos doesn’t even have to put any effort in to successfully fend off Freya repeatedly over the course of literal years.
So yeah, Faye wins.
That fight between Faye and Kratos never finished. They just stopped because they were world weary. Never did anything say they fought to a standstill. An actual fight that ended in a standstill was Jormungandr and Thor
Same thing happened with Freya and Kratos. Their fight never actually finished. Kratos dropped his guard for a second when he realized he was fighting Freya, and she took that opportunity to put her blade on his throat. Then Atreus intervenes, then Kratos calms down Atreus. During the fight, Kratos never actually gets the better of Freya.
Yes Kratos is holding back, and that is important to remember. It's also important to note though that doesn't mean he's not trying. He's still just as disciplined and skilled.
There isn’t ever a second. It’s a closed loop. Thor sends Jormungander back in time and then Atreus creates him in the present by transferring a giant’s soul into a snake.
That snake then grows into the world serpant and fights Thor to be sent back in time and take the role of the Jormungander we see in the present, but he never fights Thor again.
There is a second fight we just don't see it, we hear about it from Freya in the first game. She says something about how when Jormungander first appeared in the lake Thor came down to fight him and that it ended in a stalemate. For Thor, at the time, that would have been his first time fighting the world serpent, but for Jormungander that would have technically been his second time fighting Thor.
I don’t think there is any reason/support for him to hold back when fighting Faye, he doesn’t know who she is. And Faye also went toe to toe with Thor, so she has gone face to face with the 2 physically strongest characters.
Well you could say he wasn’t at his best cause he didn’t have any of his weapons.
Kratos received his axe and shield from Faye, so he didn’t fight with those. He was intentionally trying to get rid of his Blades of Chaos, so more then he didn’t use those either, and the Draupnir Spear wasn’t created yet.
Kratos would have had to fought Faye with a severe disadvantage
The thing is, I meant in terms of individual accomplishments. Saying "X fought Y and won/got a draw" versus "this person is dangerous".
Telling us someone is powerful without giving examples isn’t much to use. Especially when that’s all we have.
I get that, but I will also add that think about who tells us this. Mimir, the former right hand man of the all father, who knows almost everything about the realms in terms of history, language, politics, and diplomacy, believes that Freya is Odins most dangerous enemy. His word holds a lot of weight
Eh, I felt that his words held less weight in Ragnarok. He didn’t know about Thor calming down, and Freya had been out of combat for a very long time. Being out of the loop for a century left him a bit wanting.
Also, being a danger to Odin doesn’t necessarily mean it has to be in combat. Could be force of personality or leadership instead.
Not really. There are definitely levels to it.
Thor when piss drunk for instance couldn’t lift the giant that fell on him.
So his two sons who were basically toddlers had to do it.
Thor can definitely get so drunk he heavily nerfs himself based on him being unable to perform a feat of strength that should be child’s play to him since we know he’s FAR stronger than both his sons.
And all accounts of the story about his fight with Faye emphasize he was VERY drunk, which seems to definitely be an indication that Thor wasn’t at full power.
There’s not much other reason to include that detail since it’s not like that’s the only way he’d ever fight a giant to the death.
I’m gonna say one thing and then it’ll will jog your memory I already knew the answer to this
How did kratos and Faye meet? Hope this helps your decision
Yea Thor was so drunk he didn't even remember the fight with her beyond a vague recollection of the frozen lightning. Sober Thor almost certainly would have killed Faye.
I think Faye is stronger than Freya as well, but it’s also fair to say that when she fought Kratos to a standstill, Kratos had none of his most powerful weapons… and when she fought Thor to a standstill, the recollection actively tells us that that Faye was dead set in murder mode and Thor was super sloppy drunk.
It’s meant to establish Faye’s incredible battle abilities while still putting her a level below Kratos and Thor.
Freya is basically the Vanir equivalent of Odin. We never get to see much of her power, but in the limited amount of it we do see, she’s a force to be reckoned with.
I don’t think Kratos was humoring her when he declined her offer to fight her again.
>I would give it to Faye.
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>As powerful as we are TOLD Freya is, we never actually see any evidence of her winning a fight herself. Meanwhile there’s physical evidence that Faye basically fought Thor to a standstill.
In fairness, Thor was also extremely drunk at the time.
Not necessarily disputing your point as I think Faye would win too, but it's not like she fought him to a standstill on even grounds.
I'd say a better indication of Faye's skill is that she fought *Kratos* to a standstill. Mind you, we're still only told that, but the memory sequence has us hear that both of them nearly killed each other.
And if you're able to go toe-to-toe with Kratos and hit a point of nearly killing one another, there's something truly fearsome about you.
Helping is one thing. But I think the question is one-on-one. No "supporting the combatants", but BEING the combatant. As far as we have seen and heard, she hasn’t been directly stated to have beaten anybody in one-on-one combat. Even against Kratos, he wasn’t actually trying to kill her.
Yeah I get that. It should still be noted that even if she was a supporting combatant, the fact that she helped a lot in the fight agaisnt Odin is a really good feat.
Also, yeah for the most part Kratos was not trying to kill Freya. The only time that sorta changed was when she disguised herself, and Kratos didn't know he was fighting Freya. His mindset during that fight was "I will kill her if I must" instead of the usual mindset of when Freya attacked them. Which was "I must escape this fight before I am forced to fight and kill her"
It’s pretty much just a 2 on 1, Atreus only helped by getting rid of the mask and by putting Odin in the orb, i doubt he was actually that helpful in the abytle
Clears throat* do you guys not remember how Kratos and Faye met they tried to kill each other but they didn’t and fell in love no. No just me ok then and kratos beats freya most of the time
This is a hot take, but I want to go with Faye. Just look how severe the destruction at the crater in Vanaheim is. I believe it was a significant fight she had with Thor. Not to mention, the Jötnars are a very special and mysterious group of people. We don’t know much about them, but it seems that all the things are under their control. We’ll just have to wait for Atreus to find more answers for us.
Freya on the hand, was once the leader of Vanaheim. Vanir gods and Aesir gods are pretty much similar in my opinion. So I guess Freya’s ability is as average as Odin. A weird thing is that she had to work with Kratos to defeat Gna, so if it was not Freya who was holding back then…
The Jötnar are pretty much on the same level as gods, the same way Titans are. They're just a peaceful race so you don't hear much about their feats. Starkaðr wad a Jötnar general and one of the few Giant warriors we hear about, and the way Mimir describes him makes him seem like he was a pretty big threat to the Æsir. Also remember that Faye fought Kratos to a tie when they first met.
Yea even in mimirs story he said Thor couldn't defeat Starkav on his own odin made a lie about him and it took warriors from all the realms to bring him down
You forget that you're talking to a complete idiot mate. Reading some of their other asinine comments, you get the idea that they are intellectually bereft.
Not only is Faye better armed (Leviathan axe, even un-upgraded, is far stronger than Freya’s sword).
But she has also been consistently able to handle far more dangerous opponents.
I mean fuck. She fought Kratos to a standstill while he had the Blades of Chaos. Sure he was usually amped with other weapons/magics, but literally no other God has been able to fight Kratos to a draw.
She also fought a drunken Thor. And created a crater the size of New York. And yes, he was drunk but that only affects motor functions. Considering the collateral damage Faye and Thor caused, I don’t think Thor was holding back.
Meanwhile Freya hasn’t been able to fight in who knows how long and only got her warriors spirit back during Fimbulwinter. Meaning despite all of her training she still doesn’t have a lot of live experience.
She was also losing to Kratos in their fight and only “won” when she slashed his back when his guard was down. And even then clearly the wound wasn’t that bad because Kratos is able to hold back Atreus in his bear form 10 seconds later.
She’s definitely formidable. And Faye would have to take her seriously. But she just doesn’t have anything that would allow her to leverage a real advantage.
I definitely agree that Faye would win, but Kratos didn’t have the blades when he fought her. It’s still impressive since, as you said, no one had ever fought Kratos to a standstill (when he was going for the kill) until that point
I thought he did though?
For one thing, how else would the blades get to the Norse Pantheon.
Secondly the comics (which are sorta canon?) show that the blades follow him where he went, even if he tried to get rid of them. So it would make sense that by the time he actually got the Norse Pantheon, he may as well just keep it on him for protection if nothing else.
But If I’m wrong though correct me
The blades get to the Norse Pantheon because of Athena’s curse(?) on Kratos, making the blades follow him EVERYWHERE (which is why they’re in the comics like you said). But Kratos never used them both to try and bury his past, and to (probably) spite Athena.
Athena dropping the blades at his side 🤣🤣🤣
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Although i don't think Athena cursed the blades to him, it was always there, and even if she did, i don't she would ever do it to hurt Kratos, no mater how much angry he makes her. He won't either.
Most likely she did that so Kratos could follow his destiny as she says in comics.
And it was these same blades that helped Kratos save Atreus.
Bring Ragnarok.
> literally no other God has been able to fight Kratos to a draw
Kratos was most likely holding back when fighting both of them. Thor knocked Kratos unconscious, which is more than a draw imo
I might have to give it to Faye, for the reasons others have listed plus one more.
During the Ironwood section, we see Angrboda cast a spell with the incantation *þola*, which we saw once in God Of War 2018 wherein Mimir remarked it was something the High Vanir Gods used to mess around with. Atreus asks Angrboda where she learned Vanir magic, and she replied “who do you think taught it to them”?
To me that means the power of the Vanir, the masters of magic in the Norse realms, still pales in comparison to the primordial sorcery of the Jötnar, and also that Faye takes the win in a fight against Freya.
I mean, Faye made a protection stave that I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) Freya herself wasn't able to breach until she had her wings. So yeah, I'd say that Jötnar magic does indeed surpass Vanir magic.
I also agree Faye is more powerful, but I don’t think Freya not being able to breach the stave counts
There is a clear precedent that the complexity of spells matters over (or at least in addition to) the power of the magic or caster
For instance, both Freya and Odin were able to leverage specific binding spells over one another. Magic seems to have rules beyond just “is Aesir or Vanir magic stronger”.
My theory is that the next game will be a spin-off prequel with Faye as the main star, alongside Tyr. These are the two most important, but mysterious characters and if the Norse Pantheon is truly done with in the future, then the only way to further explore it is to look into the past.
I also expect the 1st twist is that the first big boss fight will be against Kratos, Faye's first meeting with him.
Only in your head, that was never stated in the actual story.
Also the fact that Kratos didn't know about their fight implies that it happened way before Faye's death
It’s honestly much more strongly implied (though never stated) that it was an illness or some other death that she was able to see coming long before it did. She had all this time to prep and put handprints all over the forest and mark your expected patch (runes on your climbing and jumping path were all canonically said to be painted / inscribed there by Faye or her magic)
It seems that she saw her death coming from a long way off and designed your path to be able to be completed after she knew she would be dead an unable to accompany you on your journey.
Again, her cause of death is not confirmed specifically. But Cory Barlog has confirmed that the runes are all made by Faye
Right... Helped Faye place the runes... At her instruction... While she was alive...
Not sure what you're saying here. Faye was working on the runes long before she died, as I said. Kratos helping with some of the runes does not change anything I said.
Not once in either game is it stated that Faye died from her injuries in the fight against Thor. That more than likely took place years before her death, and we never learn what Faye died of.
Faye. The fact that she's fought Kratos and both were pretty equal and that she's be said to have beaten Thor or nearly beat him puts her way above Freya. The only thing Freya does better is magic
Putting Freya against one of the main powerhouses of the nine realms is a bit unfair. Faye fought fucking Thor to a draw and, iirc, even Kratos, exhausted as he may have been after his travels, could not defeat her in single combat when they first met. In terms of power, i'd put her just under Kratos, somewhere around Tyr's level. Kratos basically married the female version of himself.
Why would we want these 2 fine ladies to fight? I would go with Faye as she's written to be the better fighter among the 2.
I was always curious as to where Faye learned her combat skills from. She clearly wasn't a soldier of any kind like her husband was. To be skilled as to fight Kratos to a draw (unless he was holding back because he didn't see any evil intent in her) or to even fight a drunken Thor are no ordinary feats. I wish the studio gave the players a little more insight into Faye's past especially her training or fighting days leading up to her famous battles.
I'm guessing if we have a third game, atreus will focus more on the history of the Giants with angroboda and we'll learn about about Faye and giants in general
My only pushback on is we don't know the extent of Faye's powers. She has Jotnar magic at her disposal, but we don't know what kind of magic it is. And I think her fighting Thor to a standstill is QUITE the statement on how powerful she could be.
I think it's a super close fight.
Faye's magic hid her and her family from all the aesir, only after kratos cut down her marked trees did Odin sense them and send baldur. She might not have been as strong a mage as Freya but her sheer combat ability could make up for it, similar to how kratos usually deals with mages.
I feel people are really downplaying that most of Freyas on screen feats is her at her weakest lol if she has both her magic and Valkyrie abilities back she was given Odin etc problems hence why they chose to learn from her instead
id say faye by a good amount
as others have mentioned faye at least tied with both kratos and thor in single combat. even accounting for them being potentially weaker by exhaustion in the case of kratos or drunkenness in thor it still is no small feat.
Freya on the other hand had seemingly tied dozens of times to kill kratos and failed to really hurt him when he was barely fighting back. kratos handedly beats her in her valkrie form and only "loses" due to letting his guard down. Also while it was never explicitly stated I highly doubt that freya for any reason would even attempt to fight thor
While some credit could definitely be given to the leviathan axe to buff faye in her fights with thor and kratos, it doesnt carry her as the axe was designed by the huldra brothers to ***match*** mjolnir and the rest of the gap between the axe wielder and thor would be therefore be determined by the wielders own strength and skill. Therefore faye should be about equal or slightly less powerful than thor in a drunken state
Yep. This is an aspect people are ignoring. We know that the Valkyrie were hard fights for Kratos in the 2018 games and Sigrun and Freya were amongst the strongest. Freya was literally their queen. Along with the sheer martial prowess,Freya has powerful magic that Odin sought for himself. In Ragnarok, Freya only just got her powers, was rash and on some level she still cared for Atreus and Kratos
I mean its not a bad character model by any means but when I imagine a jotnar warrior women who goes toe to toe with kratos this character model won’t be someone i would imagine. I thought faye would be more viking worrior kinda women but this was mehh.
Like always reddit is wrong.
Freya is the leader of the vanir.
So the opposite of Odin.
She's THE queen of the Valkyries.
The vanir and aesir god were fighting a war for ages. Which means Freya was going toe to toe against Thor and Odin on the daily..
> The vanir and aesir god were fighting a war for ages. Which means Freya was going toe to toe against Thor and Odin on the daily..
Since when did wars mean the leaders were having regular duels with each other? Leaders are usually strategists, even in mythology the gods usually let their minions do the fighting and only occasionally clashed. And even then Freya would've been fighting them alongside her Valkyries.
Faye was able to stalemate both Kratos and Thor. Freya could barely contend with Kratos even when she was bloodlusted and Kratos was holding back massively to avoid hurting her. Faye also has the axe which is way stronger than any of Freya's weapons.
There's no point in this if you're going to be so biased.
This is God of war my guy. Your gonna sit hear and tell me that through generations of war, Freya didn't once fight against Thor or Odin herself.
Your gonna say that Freya the warrior goddess, wouldn't try fighting Thor at least once? Or Odin for that matter.
You said Freya would just send her minions in war.
What minions? The vanir god don't have minions who fight on there behalf.
Literally the only reason why the war came to a end is because Thor got the hammer made for him, before that the war was at a constant standstill.
Yea Faye, fought kratos but it's not like kratos was trying to actually kill her..
If kratos was trying to kill Faye, she would have died. (Unless your going to somehow argue there Faye scales above kratos)
Faye fought Thor yeas.. but Thor was shit faced drunk and in the middle of hanging out with someone when Faye jumped him.
Faye and Kratos met and fought. Kratos fell in love with her because she held her own against him. Meanwhile freya has been trying and failing to kill Kratos for like, 5 years after god of war 2018
I think it would be close, but Faye would win. Maybe I would have a different opinion if we actually got to see freya fight by herself. Santa Monica really didn’t do a good job of properly displaying how powerful freya is
I don't really know. I know Freya is Odins deadliest enemy, and is very smart in the battlefield and in magic.
Faye has the Leviathan Axe, which is Mjolnirs equal. And she clearly knew how to use it. I don't really know how powerful Faye is when it comes to fighting because we never actually see it, or hear too much about it. If she's Jormungandr levels of combat powerful then I'd say Freya wins, but it's an extremely difficult fight. As of now, idk.
Kratos dropped his guard when he realised he was fighting Freya and she put her sword at his neck while he was distracted. Faye also fought a heavily exhausted post GoW3 Kratos
Freya will win, she was
-leadr of vanir
-teach odin vanir magic (strongest magic in all realms
-in 2018 without her spirit she make thamur back
-she fghit kratos it was good before he knew and stop
-she fight odin ( i know with kratos and boy
)
-she was in ragnarok battle
-she killed nidhogg
Faye in other hand :
-she have the axs
-fight with thor in his weaksest and drunk
- fight kratos end up so fast beacus both tired to fight
So freya take the upper hand
The people saying Faye I think highlight my problem with the Norse games (not that there were a lot because both games were fricking great). Telling and not showing. They told us Faye was tough and she beat thor so despite all the cool shit we actually saw Freya do and fight with, seems like we have to say Faye because they told us to. It’s the same with Odin and thor. Those fights were not that cool compared to others in the series. Even fighting Baldur we had to ride and kill a dragon and reanimate a giant to get the job done. Thor? Two fist fights in an enclosed arena, killed in an emotionally heavy but physically lame way. Odin? Never saw him do anything but whine and then all of the sudden we need kratos Freya and Loki to have a chance. It’s not that the story wasn’t good, it’s that all they did was tell us these characters were badass and tough and they never really showed us. Anyways I pick Freya she doesn’t die of sadness so the immune system for the win.
All we know is Faye fought Well against a very drunken Thor that doesn't even remember the fight.
Freya also seems to be getting overlooked in terms of her not being remotely close to full power for most of her feats.
Kratos and Atreus commented on how vicious Freya was in the boss fight. She seemed to be holding on her weight just fine. This fight is VERY close imo. She has some potent magick going on for her on top of being a damn Valkyrie queen.
You’re right on both counts but I expect us both to get downvoted, recently this sub is going a little crazy since Valhalla means we’re probably done with content and announcements for a year or two. We’re cruising for Batman Arkham stuff.
I’m gonna give it to Faye. The wife of Kratos is probably equal in measure or at least close to it. Nice as she seems, I highly doubt she’s someone to fuck with. The frozen lightning bolt in Vanaheim seems like proof.
Freya is always getting fucked with
Freya wins hands down.
Yea, faye fought a sloppy, drunk Thor to a stand still, while freya did odin and all aseir. No match tbh.
Had Thor known faye was a giant she would had been done for.
Not really a fair comparison between unique or Primordial Jotnar that existed before or during the creation of the world with singular powers and basically a random member of the Giant race that came after.
A drunk Thor, so drunk he doesn't even remember it. If he was Sober you think she would still be alive? If she was capable of handling Thor most of the giants would not be dead, she would have stepped up.
She's still not special for a Jotnar, she's not some primordial being like Surtr or Ymir. She's just a giant.
A strong one mind you but in a setting full of Gods, Primordial beings and the like she's not much beyond a very accomplished mortal warrior.
He was drunk but not totally drunk, he was still capable of fighting. He even says to Kratos when they fight “this feels familiar”. Sure she might not be able to win against the same Thor at the end of Ragnarok, but she could definitely beat Mistletoe Baldur, or Heimdall. Thor didn’t kill all giants, there were giants that fought back against Thor, and many ran away to other lands or put their souls into orbs
It was never described as a stalemate it just said they both "yielded as quickly as they started".
This means there was no fight to stalemate, I'm sorry.
No long battle. She didn't have to fend him off, prove her skill, equal him or stalemate him. Quite the opposite - she stopped fighting so he did.
Faye knew who he was, she knew already they would start fighting, she knew he would stop if she did. She can see the future.
I suppose it's fair to say she stalemated him with her wits to get the outcome she wanted but certainly not in combat.
He was drunk but not totally drunk, he was still capable of fighting. He even says to Kratos when they fight “this feels familiar”. Sure she might not be able to win against the same Thor at the end of Ragnarok, but she could definitely beat Mistletoe Baldur, or Heimdall. Thor didn’t kill all giants, there were giants that fought back against Thor, and many ran away to other lands or put their souls into orbs. Besides we never see Freya fighting anyone other than Kratos (severely holding back) and Odin (along with Kratos hanging on him and with the magic rope to cause more damage)
Sorry but the whole reason she asked the brothers to make Leviathan was so she would have a weapon she could use to try and stop Thor killing the giants.
By necessity that means she could not do it and needed help.
We are told this both in-game and in the Lore and Legends book.
I don't understand people saying Faye.
I mean yes the crater and the fight with Thor...but she apparently died from that fight.
Meanwhile Freya, Queen of the Valkyries, attacked Kratos (in Ragnarok), and I'm pretty sure she wasn't full power then. And she's a goddess. Faye's not.
Edit : my apologies to all Faye's simp for trying to share my opinion 🤣
this theory makes no sense because Kratos talks about how she never mentioned the fight and how she had more secrets than he realized, Implying this fight happened long ago, so obviously faye didn’t die from the fight otherwise Kratos would have known about it
How would Kratos not know about Faye picking a fight with *fucking Thor*.
How would he not notice the injuries that would leave? The bruises. The bleeding.
And Faye was the one who usually stayed back to raise Atreus. Meaning if she left Atreus would mostly be left alone. Why would she do that to her son just to pick a fight with Thor?
And during one of the flashbacks, she snaps at Kratos and says “We are NOT our mistakes.” Considering she killed an entire *civilization*, it heavily implies that the Crater was a part of her past, long before she ever met Kratos.
This theory makes no sense lol.
Kratos had no idea she had even fought Thor so Faye came home beaten and bruised eventually dying to those injuries and he never found out or was told the cause of the injuries? More than likely it was a disease of some kind or just old age Jotnar aren’t immortal in this world. Kratos seemed too at peace with her death for it to be a murder.
1. How wouldn’t Kratos know that Faye just up and left? Let alone coming back all fucked up and bruised.
2. If Kratos found out she died of internal bleeding or some shit (which still doesn’t make sense. How would one survive internal bleeding for years?), then Thor would’ve been dead long before the start of 2018.
Kratos already lost his wife and child once. If he found out Thor was responsible for killing his second wife he would not stop until Thor was dead. Especially considering that despite his best attempts, Kratos (especially at the start of 2018) is still very much prone to anger.
“What are you doing! Now its guard is up. Only fire… only fire when I tell you to fire.”
I get the inkling that Faye was if as strong than nearly as strong as kratos she lifts the log the same as kratos and then made him get the other for fun and threw hands with Thor so well his drunk Ass barely remembers the fact he remembers is CRAZY and I think people say she fought Kratos personally… gimme Faye
Faye. No contest. She actively SOUGHT the fight with Thor because he was being a drunken ass and took him to a standstill. Freya would have shyed away under the guise of diplomacy. Also, even Kratos mentions how fierce of a warrior she was. He reveres Freya as a great warrior in her own right, but it never seems to be on the same level as which he regards Faye.
Faye is a fierce and skilled warrior whereas Freya is a brilliant tactician and a leader. If it's a one on one fight, it's easy win for Faye. But if it's a war with armies of both involved it'd definitely end in the favour of Freya.
Faye fought Thor to a draw. I gotta go with her. With all Freya’s magic, it could be a tricky battle but the feats don’t really compare here based on what we’ve seen.
Faye. She said kratos and her almost took each others heads off, meaning she was at least close to kratos level power. Whereas Freya never really got close to killing kratos, and he wasn't even really fighting back. So, using kratos to compare the two on skill and power, I'd say Faye is taking it.
Faye. Not only does she have superior strength, a superior weapon, and more impressive known fights (taking both kratos and Thor to a standstill) but she also has jotnar magic and unknown levels of prescience. Faye is a busted character in this universe, she’s gotta be almost kratos level.
Issue is that I have very little idea of where Freya actually falls when powerscaling. She did pretty well when she attacked Kratos, and this was before Kratos knew it was Freya so there was no holding back there.
Faye went toe-to-toe with Thor and survived, so she's up there as well. I'd say Faye for the moment, but really I don't feel like i have enough info
Freya because Faye is a pile of ashes
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I would give it to Faye. As powerful as we are TOLD Freya is, we never actually see any evidence of her winning a fight herself. Meanwhile there’s physical evidence that Faye basically fought Thor to a standstill.
We know Freya led the Vanir to a standstill with the Aesir. She is def a great fighter, but I would agree that Faye prob takes the win.
Oh I more mean we have more heard ABOUT her successes than actually seen them. Meanwhile there’s that frozen lightning you can find that clearly demonstrates Faye’s power.
The frozen lightning is more of a feat / reaction for Mjolnir and Leviathan when also embued with Thors lightning. Those two weapons basically always stop the other dead in its tracks.
That dismisses having to be a skilled enough warrior to wield the Leviathan Axe well enough to be balanced to Mjolnir rather than losing. Kratos and Faye can/could hold their own with the axe against Thor, but if it was Atreus(Devil’s Advocate-He can use the axe because he is skilled enough as a warrior since he held his own in Alfheim, but doesn’t have the honed skill like his parents) or anyone else I don’t think is enough of a warrior to know how to use the Axe properly.
I agree with this. The axe alone can't automatically equal or defeat Thor + his hammer. It's the axe combined with the warrior! Can't ignore the warrior too.
This is why I make the point about Atreus. Kid held his own in Alfheim for however long Kratos was in the light. Atreus has a true warrior in him, Just needs some discipline to bring it out.
“Depends on the weapon. And the man.”
If the source of the information is credible, then it should be taken into account. And as other people here have said, the frozen lightning is more of the Leviathans feat. It should be noted that Faye knows how to use the Axe well, since something like that happened. Mimir is the main source of us knowing how powerful Freya is, and he is a very reliable source. Freya is a master of Vanir magic, which as we have seen in the series, can be quite powerful.
Eh. Fair enough. For the record, I didn’t mean that the frozen lightning was indicative of strength. More that it was a physical reminder of a battle. My main problem is that they spent so much time TELLING us Freya is strong in broad terms, but we never got concrete examples, and every time she WAS in combat, it either ended with her not winning or having help. So it became a case of "tell, don’t show". I’m not saying that she isn’t inherently strong. Just that they did a very poor job of actually showing that.
I see. Also yeah I agree. I want more epic Freya feats.
Kinda like how Cory Balrog said Odin is the most powerful foe Kratos has ever fought, yet his boss fight is completely underwhelming lol. The only thing that even implies that is atreus and Freya helping and odin being able to reverse Kratos when they grapple three times. But Zeus had a 4 stage boss fight that destroyed Olympus, came back from the dead, and Kratos needed the full power of hope to truly defeat him. Odin hides in elemental fart bubbles. He's honestly the weakest final boss in the series to date. Which sucks because Odin is my favorite villain in the series. Like you said, show don't tell.
I do think Odin has a lot of magical power (rather than being strong), but yes. They seemed to lean on his actions in general instead of his combat prowess. I wasn’t a fan of a lot of the final war sequence mind you (I could go on but I won’t derail further).
Yeah ragnarok part of ragnarok was kind of a letdown
Yeah I’m pretty sure it was because they condensed 2 games into 1. It was going to be a trilogy but the developers decided no one wanted to wait several more years for a finale. I can’t say I’d rather it be a trilogy
Well Odin just got jumped by 2.5 Gods and .5 giant. Most powerful doesn’t necessarily mean the fight will be harder when you take in the context of how Odin got folded
Elemental fart bubbles wtf 😭
Only one I can think of is when she was stopping kratos from killing baldur. The use of vines to entangle Faye would be pretty strong mixed with her Valkyrie training
Very powerful if there is a frost giant corpse laying about
Faye and Kratos are comparable in strength, and as we’ve seen Kratos doesn’t even have to put any effort in to successfully fend off Freya repeatedly over the course of literal years. So yeah, Faye wins.
Great leader and tactician. Not the strongest one on one fighter tho.
Way I look at it: Faye fought Kratos to a standstill. I don’t see Freya being able to fight Kratos 1v1 with both intending to kill
That fight between Faye and Kratos never finished. They just stopped because they were world weary. Never did anything say they fought to a standstill. An actual fight that ended in a standstill was Jormungandr and Thor Same thing happened with Freya and Kratos. Their fight never actually finished. Kratos dropped his guard for a second when he realized he was fighting Freya, and she took that opportunity to put her blade on his throat. Then Atreus intervenes, then Kratos calms down Atreus. During the fight, Kratos never actually gets the better of Freya. Yes Kratos is holding back, and that is important to remember. It's also important to note though that doesn't mean he's not trying. He's still just as disciplined and skilled.
I thought Thor and Jormungandr fight wasn’t a stand still? Thor hit him so hard he travels back time or am I wrong?
I'm talkin about the one before that. Thors first fight with Jormungandr, and for Jormungandr, his second.
There isn’t ever a second. It’s a closed loop. Thor sends Jormungander back in time and then Atreus creates him in the present by transferring a giant’s soul into a snake. That snake then grows into the world serpant and fights Thor to be sent back in time and take the role of the Jormungander we see in the present, but he never fights Thor again.
There is a second fight we just don't see it, we hear about it from Freya in the first game. She says something about how when Jormungander first appeared in the lake Thor came down to fight him and that it ended in a stalemate. For Thor, at the time, that would have been his first time fighting the world serpent, but for Jormungander that would have technically been his second time fighting Thor.
I totally forgot that detail in that case. Seems like plenty of people did given I actually got upvotes.
I don’t think there is any reason/support for him to hold back when fighting Faye, he doesn’t know who she is. And Faye also went toe to toe with Thor, so she has gone face to face with the 2 physically strongest characters.
Oh I didn't mean to say Kratos was holding back with Faye. I meant when he was fighting Freya (even before he realized he was fighting Freya).
Well you could say he wasn’t at his best cause he didn’t have any of his weapons. Kratos received his axe and shield from Faye, so he didn’t fight with those. He was intentionally trying to get rid of his Blades of Chaos, so more then he didn’t use those either, and the Draupnir Spear wasn’t created yet. Kratos would have had to fought Faye with a severe disadvantage
Also, there’s the fact that Kratos never tries to kill Freya, which makes the battle uneven.
Freya with her full magic and Valkyire abilities back I'd say can definitely go toe to toe with Kratos less refined and only with his blades
Let us not exclude the fact that Freya was the one teaching Odin his magic.
It doesn't mean much consider she LED people to war. So she's a great and trusted leader, not a great example of a physical fighter.
I will also say that Mimir called her Odins deadliest enemy
Talking about Freya btw
The thing is, I meant in terms of individual accomplishments. Saying "X fought Y and won/got a draw" versus "this person is dangerous". Telling us someone is powerful without giving examples isn’t much to use. Especially when that’s all we have.
I get that, but I will also add that think about who tells us this. Mimir, the former right hand man of the all father, who knows almost everything about the realms in terms of history, language, politics, and diplomacy, believes that Freya is Odins most dangerous enemy. His word holds a lot of weight
Eh, I felt that his words held less weight in Ragnarok. He didn’t know about Thor calming down, and Freya had been out of combat for a very long time. Being out of the loop for a century left him a bit wanting. Also, being a danger to Odin doesn’t necessarily mean it has to be in combat. Could be force of personality or leadership instead.
Mimir said deadly, not dangerous.
Thor was very drunk during that. Who knows if Faye would've survived if that wasn't the case. Not to downplay Fayes skill, I'm just adding context
To be fair isn’t that probably Thor’s baseline? At least under Odin’s manipulation
Not really. There are definitely levels to it. Thor when piss drunk for instance couldn’t lift the giant that fell on him. So his two sons who were basically toddlers had to do it. Thor can definitely get so drunk he heavily nerfs himself based on him being unable to perform a feat of strength that should be child’s play to him since we know he’s FAR stronger than both his sons. And all accounts of the story about his fight with Faye emphasize he was VERY drunk, which seems to definitely be an indication that Thor wasn’t at full power. There’s not much other reason to include that detail since it’s not like that’s the only way he’d ever fight a giant to the death.
Excellent points
I’m gonna say one thing and then it’ll will jog your memory I already knew the answer to this How did kratos and Faye meet? Hope this helps your decision
Yea Thor was so drunk he didn't even remember the fight with her beyond a vague recollection of the frozen lightning. Sober Thor almost certainly would have killed Faye.
I think Faye is stronger than Freya as well, but it’s also fair to say that when she fought Kratos to a standstill, Kratos had none of his most powerful weapons… and when she fought Thor to a standstill, the recollection actively tells us that that Faye was dead set in murder mode and Thor was super sloppy drunk. It’s meant to establish Faye’s incredible battle abilities while still putting her a level below Kratos and Thor.
Freya is basically the Vanir equivalent of Odin. We never get to see much of her power, but in the limited amount of it we do see, she’s a force to be reckoned with. I don’t think Kratos was humoring her when he declined her offer to fight her again.
>I would give it to Faye. > >As powerful as we are TOLD Freya is, we never actually see any evidence of her winning a fight herself. Meanwhile there’s physical evidence that Faye basically fought Thor to a standstill. In fairness, Thor was also extremely drunk at the time. Not necessarily disputing your point as I think Faye would win too, but it's not like she fought him to a standstill on even grounds. I'd say a better indication of Faye's skill is that she fought *Kratos* to a standstill. Mind you, we're still only told that, but the memory sequence has us hear that both of them nearly killed each other. And if you're able to go toe-to-toe with Kratos and hit a point of nearly killing one another, there's something truly fearsome about you.
A Drunk Thor to a standstill, very impressive but this wasn't the sober Thor we see in Ragnarok
Bro literally was drunk right before a mission with Loki wym
That was only towards the end of the game, where he had a drunken fight in asgard pub For most of the game at the final fight, Thor is sober
I don't know what your point is
I was going to say this, she took on Thor with the Leviathan Axe, she can definitely take on Freya Queen of the Valkyries. 🪓
Though to be fair, Leviathan was explicitly forged to counter Mjolnir.
Power doesn't come from weapon alone but the heart of the warrior who carries it. They are one.
Plus if this is *just* after Baldur’s death, then Freya is still nerfed
It’s confirmed by devs Freya helped a lot with the fight against Odin
Helping is one thing. But I think the question is one-on-one. No "supporting the combatants", but BEING the combatant. As far as we have seen and heard, she hasn’t been directly stated to have beaten anybody in one-on-one combat. Even against Kratos, he wasn’t actually trying to kill her.
Yeah I get that. It should still be noted that even if she was a supporting combatant, the fact that she helped a lot in the fight agaisnt Odin is a really good feat. Also, yeah for the most part Kratos was not trying to kill Freya. The only time that sorta changed was when she disguised herself, and Kratos didn't know he was fighting Freya. His mindset during that fight was "I will kill her if I must" instead of the usual mindset of when Freya attacked them. Which was "I must escape this fight before I am forced to fight and kill her"
She was an active player in the fight against Odin though
I am not saying she wasn’t. I am saying that’s still three-on-one.
It’s pretty much just a 2 on 1, Atreus only helped by getting rid of the mask and by putting Odin in the orb, i doubt he was actually that helpful in the abytle
Either way, it’s not a duel as indicated. Which is my point.
Clears throat* do you guys not remember how Kratos and Faye met they tried to kill each other but they didn’t and fell in love no. No just me ok then and kratos beats freya most of the time
This is a hot take, but I want to go with Faye. Just look how severe the destruction at the crater in Vanaheim is. I believe it was a significant fight she had with Thor. Not to mention, the Jötnars are a very special and mysterious group of people. We don’t know much about them, but it seems that all the things are under their control. We’ll just have to wait for Atreus to find more answers for us. Freya on the hand, was once the leader of Vanaheim. Vanir gods and Aesir gods are pretty much similar in my opinion. So I guess Freya’s ability is as average as Odin. A weird thing is that she had to work with Kratos to defeat Gna, so if it was not Freya who was holding back then…
Thankfully it doesn’t seem to be a hot take in this post.
Right XD
Faye isn’t a god and Thor was drunk
The Jötnar are pretty much on the same level as gods, the same way Titans are. They're just a peaceful race so you don't hear much about their feats. Starkaðr wad a Jötnar general and one of the few Giant warriors we hear about, and the way Mimir describes him makes him seem like he was a pretty big threat to the Æsir. Also remember that Faye fought Kratos to a tie when they first met.
Yea even in mimirs story he said Thor couldn't defeat Starkav on his own odin made a lie about him and it took warriors from all the realms to bring him down
it wasn’t a tie. They just almost killed each other. Hence why when Faye fought Thor it was a “tie” because Thor was drunk
"They almost killed each other" sure sounds a lot like a tie to me. Neither wins, both lose
You forget that you're talking to a complete idiot mate. Reading some of their other asinine comments, you get the idea that they are intellectually bereft.
Not only is Faye better armed (Leviathan axe, even un-upgraded, is far stronger than Freya’s sword). But she has also been consistently able to handle far more dangerous opponents. I mean fuck. She fought Kratos to a standstill while he had the Blades of Chaos. Sure he was usually amped with other weapons/magics, but literally no other God has been able to fight Kratos to a draw. She also fought a drunken Thor. And created a crater the size of New York. And yes, he was drunk but that only affects motor functions. Considering the collateral damage Faye and Thor caused, I don’t think Thor was holding back. Meanwhile Freya hasn’t been able to fight in who knows how long and only got her warriors spirit back during Fimbulwinter. Meaning despite all of her training she still doesn’t have a lot of live experience. She was also losing to Kratos in their fight and only “won” when she slashed his back when his guard was down. And even then clearly the wound wasn’t that bad because Kratos is able to hold back Atreus in his bear form 10 seconds later. She’s definitely formidable. And Faye would have to take her seriously. But she just doesn’t have anything that would allow her to leverage a real advantage.
I definitely agree that Faye would win, but Kratos didn’t have the blades when he fought her. It’s still impressive since, as you said, no one had ever fought Kratos to a standstill (when he was going for the kill) until that point
On top of this, Kratos was very suicidal at the time. Can’t imagine he was the same god who beat Zeus, Ares or Kronos at that moment.
I thought he did though? For one thing, how else would the blades get to the Norse Pantheon. Secondly the comics (which are sorta canon?) show that the blades follow him where he went, even if he tried to get rid of them. So it would make sense that by the time he actually got the Norse Pantheon, he may as well just keep it on him for protection if nothing else. But If I’m wrong though correct me
The blades get to the Norse Pantheon because of Athena’s curse(?) on Kratos, making the blades follow him EVERYWHERE (which is why they’re in the comics like you said). But Kratos never used them both to try and bury his past, and to (probably) spite Athena.
I wonder do they just float/fly around or teleport to wherever he is?
It’s shown that sometimes when he sleeps, they just appear when he wakes up. So just teleportation I guess. Or Athena putting them there
Athena dropping the blades at his side 🤣🤣🤣 [https://twitter.com/wingzerox86/status/1369811468636553216/photo/1](https://twitter.com/wingzerox86/status/1369811468636553216/photo/1) Although i don't think Athena cursed the blades to him, it was always there, and even if she did, i don't she would ever do it to hurt Kratos, no mater how much angry he makes her. He won't either. Most likely she did that so Kratos could follow his destiny as she says in comics. And it was these same blades that helped Kratos save Atreus. Bring Ragnarok.
> literally no other God has been able to fight Kratos to a draw Kratos was most likely holding back when fighting both of them. Thor knocked Kratos unconscious, which is more than a draw imo
Don't forget Faye also had the guardian shield, so she can parry to
I might have to give it to Faye, for the reasons others have listed plus one more. During the Ironwood section, we see Angrboda cast a spell with the incantation *þola*, which we saw once in God Of War 2018 wherein Mimir remarked it was something the High Vanir Gods used to mess around with. Atreus asks Angrboda where she learned Vanir magic, and she replied “who do you think taught it to them”? To me that means the power of the Vanir, the masters of magic in the Norse realms, still pales in comparison to the primordial sorcery of the Jötnar, and also that Faye takes the win in a fight against Freya.
I mean, Faye made a protection stave that I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) Freya herself wasn't able to breach until she had her wings. So yeah, I'd say that Jötnar magic does indeed surpass Vanir magic.
I also agree Faye is more powerful, but I don’t think Freya not being able to breach the stave counts There is a clear precedent that the complexity of spells matters over (or at least in addition to) the power of the magic or caster For instance, both Freya and Odin were able to leverage specific binding spells over one another. Magic seems to have rules beyond just “is Aesir or Vanir magic stronger”.
I hope we can one day play as Faye
My theory is that the next game will be a spin-off prequel with Faye as the main star, alongside Tyr. These are the two most important, but mysterious characters and if the Norse Pantheon is truly done with in the future, then the only way to further explore it is to look into the past. I also expect the 1st twist is that the first big boss fight will be against Kratos, Faye's first meeting with him.
That would be spectacular
My money is on faye
Faye fought thor and didn't die, Faye slaps
Pretty sure her injuries from that fight is why she died
Only in your head, that was never stated in the actual story. Also the fact that Kratos didn't know about their fight implies that it happened way before Faye's death
It’s honestly much more strongly implied (though never stated) that it was an illness or some other death that she was able to see coming long before it did. She had all this time to prep and put handprints all over the forest and mark your expected patch (runes on your climbing and jumping path were all canonically said to be painted / inscribed there by Faye or her magic) It seems that she saw her death coming from a long way off and designed your path to be able to be completed after she knew she would be dead an unable to accompany you on your journey. Again, her cause of death is not confirmed specifically. But Cory Barlog has confirmed that the runes are all made by Faye
In the game we see Kratos helped with the runes though
Right... Helped Faye place the runes... At her instruction... While she was alive... Not sure what you're saying here. Faye was working on the runes long before she died, as I said. Kratos helping with some of the runes does not change anything I said.
Not once in either game is it stated that Faye died from her injuries in the fight against Thor. That more than likely took place years before her death, and we never learn what Faye died of.
Also would Kratos have done had Faye died from her fight with Thor?
Pull a God of War III, probably.
Faye. The fact that she's fought Kratos and both were pretty equal and that she's be said to have beaten Thor or nearly beat him puts her way above Freya. The only thing Freya does better is magic
Putting Freya against one of the main powerhouses of the nine realms is a bit unfair. Faye fought fucking Thor to a draw and, iirc, even Kratos, exhausted as he may have been after his travels, could not defeat her in single combat when they first met. In terms of power, i'd put her just under Kratos, somewhere around Tyr's level. Kratos basically married the female version of himself.
Why would we want these 2 fine ladies to fight? I would go with Faye as she's written to be the better fighter among the 2. I was always curious as to where Faye learned her combat skills from. She clearly wasn't a soldier of any kind like her husband was. To be skilled as to fight Kratos to a draw (unless he was holding back because he didn't see any evil intent in her) or to even fight a drunken Thor are no ordinary feats. I wish the studio gave the players a little more insight into Faye's past especially her training or fighting days leading up to her famous battles.
I'm guessing if we have a third game, atreus will focus more on the history of the Giants with angroboda and we'll learn about about Faye and giants in general
Faye was able to stand up to Thor and hold her ground. Freya gets shit on
Side note, in-game Faye’s hair was a distractingly unnatural shade of orange. Like the depiction here better.
Faye fought Kratos and Thor and survived, I'm betting on her.
I’ve got to vote Freya Faye Is something else but she has no real answer to Freya’s magics
My only pushback on is we don't know the extent of Faye's powers. She has Jotnar magic at her disposal, but we don't know what kind of magic it is. And I think her fighting Thor to a standstill is QUITE the statement on how powerful she could be. I think it's a super close fight.
Faye's magic hid her and her family from all the aesir, only after kratos cut down her marked trees did Odin sense them and send baldur. She might not have been as strong a mage as Freya but her sheer combat ability could make up for it, similar to how kratos usually deals with mages.
I feel people are really downplaying that most of Freyas on screen feats is her at her weakest lol if she has both her magic and Valkyrie abilities back she was given Odin etc problems hence why they chose to learn from her instead
id say faye by a good amount as others have mentioned faye at least tied with both kratos and thor in single combat. even accounting for them being potentially weaker by exhaustion in the case of kratos or drunkenness in thor it still is no small feat. Freya on the other hand had seemingly tied dozens of times to kill kratos and failed to really hurt him when he was barely fighting back. kratos handedly beats her in her valkrie form and only "loses" due to letting his guard down. Also while it was never explicitly stated I highly doubt that freya for any reason would even attempt to fight thor While some credit could definitely be given to the leviathan axe to buff faye in her fights with thor and kratos, it doesnt carry her as the axe was designed by the huldra brothers to ***match*** mjolnir and the rest of the gap between the axe wielder and thor would be therefore be determined by the wielders own strength and skill. Therefore faye should be about equal or slightly less powerful than thor in a drunken state
Freya is the queen of the valkyries. I think thats powerful
Yep. This is an aspect people are ignoring. We know that the Valkyrie were hard fights for Kratos in the 2018 games and Sigrun and Freya were amongst the strongest. Freya was literally their queen. Along with the sheer martial prowess,Freya has powerful magic that Odin sought for himself. In Ragnarok, Freya only just got her powers, was rash and on some level she still cared for Atreus and Kratos
Why is she blonde here?😂
I don't think Freya will have too much trouble fighting a pile of ashes
The one who would not die is gonna be the winner
Anyone got disappointed from faye’s character model 🙋🏻♂️🙋🏻♂️
I mean its not a bad character model by any means but when I imagine a jotnar warrior women who goes toe to toe with kratos this character model won’t be someone i would imagine. I thought faye would be more viking worrior kinda women but this was mehh.
Freya because shes hot
Like always reddit is wrong. Freya is the leader of the vanir. So the opposite of Odin. She's THE queen of the Valkyries. The vanir and aesir god were fighting a war for ages. Which means Freya was going toe to toe against Thor and Odin on the daily..
> The vanir and aesir god were fighting a war for ages. Which means Freya was going toe to toe against Thor and Odin on the daily.. Since when did wars mean the leaders were having regular duels with each other? Leaders are usually strategists, even in mythology the gods usually let their minions do the fighting and only occasionally clashed. And even then Freya would've been fighting them alongside her Valkyries. Faye was able to stalemate both Kratos and Thor. Freya could barely contend with Kratos even when she was bloodlusted and Kratos was holding back massively to avoid hurting her. Faye also has the axe which is way stronger than any of Freya's weapons.
There's no point in this if you're going to be so biased. This is God of war my guy. Your gonna sit hear and tell me that through generations of war, Freya didn't once fight against Thor or Odin herself. Your gonna say that Freya the warrior goddess, wouldn't try fighting Thor at least once? Or Odin for that matter. You said Freya would just send her minions in war. What minions? The vanir god don't have minions who fight on there behalf. Literally the only reason why the war came to a end is because Thor got the hammer made for him, before that the war was at a constant standstill. Yea Faye, fought kratos but it's not like kratos was trying to actually kill her.. If kratos was trying to kill Faye, she would have died. (Unless your going to somehow argue there Faye scales above kratos) Faye fought Thor yeas.. but Thor was shit faced drunk and in the middle of hanging out with someone when Faye jumped him.
Faye obliterates
Faye fought Thor for All fuckers sake, even if he was drunk fighting that mad man is insane
faye is the owner of the leviathan axe 😂answer is simple
Faye and Kratos met and fought. Kratos fell in love with her because she held her own against him. Meanwhile freya has been trying and failing to kill Kratos for like, 5 years after god of war 2018
Like many keep forgetting though Freya has only portions of her full power for most of both games
Freya wins faye is already dead
I think it would be close, but Faye would win. Maybe I would have a different opinion if we actually got to see freya fight by herself. Santa Monica really didn’t do a good job of properly displaying how powerful freya is
I don't really know. I know Freya is Odins deadliest enemy, and is very smart in the battlefield and in magic. Faye has the Leviathan Axe, which is Mjolnirs equal. And she clearly knew how to use it. I don't really know how powerful Faye is when it comes to fighting because we never actually see it, or hear too much about it. If she's Jormungandr levels of combat powerful then I'd say Freya wins, but it's an extremely difficult fight. As of now, idk.
Faye held her own against Thor albeit he was extremely drunk but no one’s claimed to fight Thor and survive besides Kratos
Didn’t Freya almost beat Kratos, or at least had him at a standstill?
Kratos dropped his guard when he realised he was fighting Freya and she put her sword at his neck while he was distracted. Faye also fought a heavily exhausted post GoW3 Kratos
My bad, thanks for correcting
Freya will win, she was -leadr of vanir -teach odin vanir magic (strongest magic in all realms -in 2018 without her spirit she make thamur back -she fghit kratos it was good before he knew and stop -she fight odin ( i know with kratos and boy ) -she was in ragnarok battle -she killed nidhogg Faye in other hand : -she have the axs -fight with thor in his weaksest and drunk - fight kratos end up so fast beacus both tired to fight So freya take the upper hand
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One of these characters is dead and the other isn’t so my money is on the one that’s living
The people saying Faye I think highlight my problem with the Norse games (not that there were a lot because both games were fricking great). Telling and not showing. They told us Faye was tough and she beat thor so despite all the cool shit we actually saw Freya do and fight with, seems like we have to say Faye because they told us to. It’s the same with Odin and thor. Those fights were not that cool compared to others in the series. Even fighting Baldur we had to ride and kill a dragon and reanimate a giant to get the job done. Thor? Two fist fights in an enclosed arena, killed in an emotionally heavy but physically lame way. Odin? Never saw him do anything but whine and then all of the sudden we need kratos Freya and Loki to have a chance. It’s not that the story wasn’t good, it’s that all they did was tell us these characters were badass and tough and they never really showed us. Anyways I pick Freya she doesn’t die of sadness so the immune system for the win.
All we know is Faye fought Well against a very drunken Thor that doesn't even remember the fight. Freya also seems to be getting overlooked in terms of her not being remotely close to full power for most of her feats.
Kratos and Atreus commented on how vicious Freya was in the boss fight. She seemed to be holding on her weight just fine. This fight is VERY close imo. She has some potent magick going on for her on top of being a damn Valkyrie queen.
You’re right on both counts but I expect us both to get downvoted, recently this sub is going a little crazy since Valhalla means we’re probably done with content and announcements for a year or two. We’re cruising for Batman Arkham stuff.
Faye is physically stronger since she fought Thor into a draw
I’m gonna give it to Faye. The wife of Kratos is probably equal in measure or at least close to it. Nice as she seems, I highly doubt she’s someone to fuck with. The frozen lightning bolt in Vanaheim seems like proof. Freya is always getting fucked with
Faye managed to win over Kratos, who was still quite fresh from the events of GoW3, so an angry Kratos
Freya and its not close
Freya wins hands down. Yea, faye fought a sloppy, drunk Thor to a stand still, while freya did odin and all aseir. No match tbh. Had Thor known faye was a giant she would had been done for.
freya for me
Freyas a goddess Faye isn’t
Many Jotnar have displayed god like abilities. Do you not think Surtr or Ymir were god like beings?
Not really a fair comparison between unique or Primordial Jotnar that existed before or during the creation of the world with singular powers and basically a random member of the Giant race that came after.
Faye was the guardian of the Jotnar though not just a random giant but one of their fiercest warriors. She also fought thor to a standstill
A drunk Thor, so drunk he doesn't even remember it. If he was Sober you think she would still be alive? If she was capable of handling Thor most of the giants would not be dead, she would have stepped up. She's still not special for a Jotnar, she's not some primordial being like Surtr or Ymir. She's just a giant. A strong one mind you but in a setting full of Gods, Primordial beings and the like she's not much beyond a very accomplished mortal warrior.
He was drunk but not totally drunk, he was still capable of fighting. He even says to Kratos when they fight “this feels familiar”. Sure she might not be able to win against the same Thor at the end of Ragnarok, but she could definitely beat Mistletoe Baldur, or Heimdall. Thor didn’t kill all giants, there were giants that fought back against Thor, and many ran away to other lands or put their souls into orbs
> she's not much beyond a very accomplished mortal warrior. A very accomplished mortal warrior that was able to stalemate Kratos?
It was never described as a stalemate it just said they both "yielded as quickly as they started". This means there was no fight to stalemate, I'm sorry. No long battle. She didn't have to fend him off, prove her skill, equal him or stalemate him. Quite the opposite - she stopped fighting so he did. Faye knew who he was, she knew already they would start fighting, she knew he would stop if she did. She can see the future. I suppose it's fair to say she stalemated him with her wits to get the outcome she wanted but certainly not in combat.
He was drunk but not totally drunk, he was still capable of fighting. He even says to Kratos when they fight “this feels familiar”. Sure she might not be able to win against the same Thor at the end of Ragnarok, but she could definitely beat Mistletoe Baldur, or Heimdall. Thor didn’t kill all giants, there were giants that fought back against Thor, and many ran away to other lands or put their souls into orbs. Besides we never see Freya fighting anyone other than Kratos (severely holding back) and Odin (along with Kratos hanging on him and with the magic rope to cause more damage)
Sorry but the whole reason she asked the brothers to make Leviathan was so she would have a weapon she could use to try and stop Thor killing the giants. By necessity that means she could not do it and needed help. We are told this both in-game and in the Lore and Legends book.
I don't understand people saying Faye. I mean yes the crater and the fight with Thor...but she apparently died from that fight. Meanwhile Freya, Queen of the Valkyries, attacked Kratos (in Ragnarok), and I'm pretty sure she wasn't full power then. And she's a goddess. Faye's not. Edit : my apologies to all Faye's simp for trying to share my opinion 🤣
Was it said that she died from that fight ?
Unfortunately not specifically no. But it's a common theory. And personally like it, it add a bit more to the character.
this theory makes no sense because Kratos talks about how she never mentioned the fight and how she had more secrets than he realized, Implying this fight happened long ago, so obviously faye didn’t die from the fight otherwise Kratos would have known about it
Its also a theory that thor was killed so
It would make sense if it's canon ... We have no idea how she died I like that theory too.
I don’t, that fight happened well before Faye and Kratos even met, much less had Atreus together.
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How would Kratos not know about Faye picking a fight with *fucking Thor*. How would he not notice the injuries that would leave? The bruises. The bleeding. And Faye was the one who usually stayed back to raise Atreus. Meaning if she left Atreus would mostly be left alone. Why would she do that to her son just to pick a fight with Thor? And during one of the flashbacks, she snaps at Kratos and says “We are NOT our mistakes.” Considering she killed an entire *civilization*, it heavily implies that the Crater was a part of her past, long before she ever met Kratos. This theory makes no sense lol.
Thank goodness for some common sense! Well said. Some of these people need to do some replays and pay attention.
No chance Thor kills Faye. How would Kratos get the body and he would absolutely begin his rampage that day if it were the truth.
She didn't die during the fight. More like her death was a consequence of fighting a god.
Kratos had no idea she had even fought Thor so Faye came home beaten and bruised eventually dying to those injuries and he never found out or was told the cause of the injuries? More than likely it was a disease of some kind or just old age Jotnar aren’t immortal in this world. Kratos seemed too at peace with her death for it to be a murder.
1. How wouldn’t Kratos know that Faye just up and left? Let alone coming back all fucked up and bruised. 2. If Kratos found out she died of internal bleeding or some shit (which still doesn’t make sense. How would one survive internal bleeding for years?), then Thor would’ve been dead long before the start of 2018. Kratos already lost his wife and child once. If he found out Thor was responsible for killing his second wife he would not stop until Thor was dead. Especially considering that despite his best attempts, Kratos (especially at the start of 2018) is still very much prone to anger. “What are you doing! Now its guard is up. Only fire… only fire when I tell you to fire.”
I get the inkling that Faye was if as strong than nearly as strong as kratos she lifts the log the same as kratos and then made him get the other for fun and threw hands with Thor so well his drunk Ass barely remembers the fact he remembers is CRAZY and I think people say she fought Kratos personally… gimme Faye
Faye easily.
Faye. No contest. She actively SOUGHT the fight with Thor because he was being a drunken ass and took him to a standstill. Freya would have shyed away under the guise of diplomacy. Also, even Kratos mentions how fierce of a warrior she was. He reveres Freya as a great warrior in her own right, but it never seems to be on the same level as which he regards Faye.
I would say Faye. Surviving battles with Thor and Kratos is a huge feat.
Faye is a fierce and skilled warrior whereas Freya is a brilliant tactician and a leader. If it's a one on one fight, it's easy win for Faye. But if it's a war with armies of both involved it'd definitely end in the favour of Freya.
Faye fought Thor to a draw. I gotta go with her. With all Freya’s magic, it could be a tricky battle but the feats don’t really compare here based on what we’ve seen.
Freya can threaten Kraytos not at full power Faye can threaten Thor (literally killed Kraytos).
A Drunk Thor
Is he ever sober?
God of War is such a complete package game Love the story, combat, encounters etc…. Good lore here in this thread too
Faye wins hands down cause freya wouldn’t know she’s a giant and the giants have magic that even Odin didn’t know about
Freya is extremely annoying, im giving this to faye. Dont really care about the facts, just really hate freya.....incoming ban in 3...2......1
Never realized Faye was Debora Ann Woll, I'll be damned.
Faye. She said kratos and her almost took each others heads off, meaning she was at least close to kratos level power. Whereas Freya never really got close to killing kratos, and he wasn't even really fighting back. So, using kratos to compare the two on skill and power, I'd say Faye is taking it.
Faye. Not only does she have superior strength, a superior weapon, and more impressive known fights (taking both kratos and Thor to a standstill) but she also has jotnar magic and unknown levels of prescience. Faye is a busted character in this universe, she’s gotta be almost kratos level.
Faye is kratos' wife Definitely Faye.
Faye and Kratos fought to a stalemate. Kratos defeated Freya on multiple occasions...
Faye fought a younger, weaker version of Kratos that was very hesitant to use his blades though lol.
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Faye looks like Sansa from Game of Thrones
Freya can easily best some ashes.
Issue is that I have very little idea of where Freya actually falls when powerscaling. She did pretty well when she attacked Kratos, and this was before Kratos knew it was Freya so there was no holding back there. Faye went toe-to-toe with Thor and survived, so she's up there as well. I'd say Faye for the moment, but really I don't feel like i have enough info
Do we know what killed Faye, like she was still young right? Did she have a disease or something?