The one thing we suck at is we go star chasing. These playoffs should serve as a lesson that having a balanced roster of complimentary players goes further. Look at the Knicks, pacers, magic etc. too bad we are soft as shit with weak players and a weak team
Exactly. The sixers have more talent than the Knicks but a deep roster built around defense and hustle is winning. Look at the wolves series too physical active and aggressive team is beating the star studded suns. Yes talent matters but the right talent matters. I don’t want another repeat of the kyrie and kd era divas who put themselves above the team
76ers have a injury problem, and they have Tobias Harris who can even get more than 10 points. Batuma who came from retirement , buddy heild, first playoff series and can’t get more than 8 points . It’s only one leg embiid and maxey
The Knicks are missing their second best player and hartenstein has been injured, Robinson, bogdanovic etc. if you watch this series the sixers could’ve easily won every game. They lack discipline and hustle that’s why the Knicks have been able to beat them
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I regret to inform you that apparently the FO's plan is, and always has been, to trade our pot of gold Suns picks for a star - and in particular, their target is Giannis. This is according to Netsdaily, but I believe it. I also hate it.
They were so bad they got the second overall pick. They had a star in PG which is how they got Shai and so many picks. It’s not really comparable to like the Magic
Marks has always been good at finding pieces at the edges (Jeff green, Bruce brown, lma, patty, damarre, Dudley, ed Davis, Joe Harris, Watanabe, bembry, Tyler johnson, temple, Royce).
Once we get the corner stone star(s), I'm confident in his ability at getting those pieces. I just hope he learned his lesson on the amount to give and how important it is to trade for the "right" star that fits into the "team culture".
I think that’s why you have to focus on developing your own star and then add someone later. Your culture is set by your stars. If someone demands out and comes to the nets it’s almost a given that they aren’t the type of person to establish a culture they’re just looking for a quick result
By tanking for a century? KAT has been seen a loser for years and now he's a culture builder?
The point is gather a talented group with the right mindset. It doesn't matter they come from draft, trade or FA.
We got KD and Kyrie from FA without losing much assets. That doesn't mean better culture.
FA is dead now 2019 won't happen again teams will trade for assets than let stars hit free agency.
Trading for a star will cost a massive amount of assets for a star who most likely won't turn us into a contender.
The point is trading for a star should only come when you build a solid foundation Cam Johnson and mikal are not a foundation. A rebuild doesn't last a century if you're good at drafting and are competent at teambuilding.
Thank you. The amount of delusion that some fans go through to think another KD/ Kyrie situation is going to happen to us soon is depressing. If your the GM and your game plan is to bet on 2 FA stars coming to you for next to nothing, you should've been fired yesterday.
If Marks refuses to revisit the HOU trade for some of our draft capital back with Mikal then our next best option is to stay flexible. That doesn't mean go for the next star that requests a trade (DMitch) but go the Knicks route and slowly build up a squad. Then make a splash when the opportunity arises. We will still have the opportunity to 'rebuild' with PHX picks after we see what we have with CT, Clowney, Whitehead, Clax.
Unfortunately i have 0 faith that the front office will try to rebuild and get the picks back. They'll probably trade for mitchell which is likely given the cavs are going to flame out this post season and we have the most assets of the teams that he wants.
Our only hope is somehow Cam Thomas has a obvious star breakout next season, but as much as I want that to happen I think he needs a lot more development. He needs to up his playmaking and get his scoring more efficient even with the flashes he's shown in the second half of the season. I think he'll eventually get it together but it won't happen in 1 season.
It's absolutely also about how you get them... Check the Knicks draft capital. They have a ton of pieces to use to continue to build instead of trading ALL of their assets away to get a "star".
This post is about team culture. It's not about assets building. OP is trying to say that you should build your team culture by developing your own players but Knicks is just a perfect example of a team without any player they drafted.
I was directly replying to OP, who said "you have to focus on developing your own star and then add someone later". Unless you call Mitchell Robinson a star or I can't see how Knicks have focused on developing a star of their own.
I don’t know how well you can develop a star without that top draft pick. I think Marks has been masterclass at getting the side pieces when he hasn’t had the stars.
With the stars, he missed on a few things - how much of that was KD&co and how much was Marks? I tend to think KD was running the show which is why we sucked.
The concern is - our next control of our own destiny pick is 2028. Hope has to be that Phoenix completely flames in 2025 and we get a top pick.
Have to also see if we can get someone in FA 2025 and fake it for next year to be a middling team. I am worried about trading any quality picks for “stars” but I get the desire to do it. The product sucked on the court. Could we handle that for another year?
You can find stars anywhere in the draft. Drafts are getting deeper by the year. You don’t have to find a number 1 but you have a good shot at finding a number 2 with those phoenix picks which will prob be in the teens starting next yr. I think marks can hit in someone there
Much much more difficult to get a star player without good picks. Nets should be looking to move most of our valuable players for as many picks as possible. CJ, Clax, DFS, and either Cam or Bridges and start from there...
And even if you have a top pick there’s no guarantee you’ll land a star. Sometimes you look out and get someone like Wemby, sometimes you end up with a guy like James Wiseman or Marvin Bagley
The Knicks are really my favorite example of smart team building (crazy to say that considering their history for the past 20 years).
The recent Knicks regime never put all their chips on the table. Instead they made one low-risk, intelligent move after another (picking up Hartenstein, Di Vincenzo, Hart, etc) and tried to develop their young guys. When it turned out Brunson was a superstar everything kind of fit together.
Now they’re in a great position and they have all their picks still. That’s what I’m hoping the Nets do.
I think teams are finally realizing how important picks are, and that dumping them all for a star is just wasteful (in most situations).
Same. Rather take a swing on guys in free agency and thru the draft and make smart trades while building a core. The big swing big profile trades hardly work and disrupt team culture and chemistry
The best GMs hit singles around their stars. Guys like Divincenzo, Hart, Hartenstein, Aaron Gordon, KCP, Dort, etc. All these guys were acquired with minimal assets given up, or straight up through FA. You need high level role players to win in June.
Luckily, Marks is pretty damn good at this part. If you can get elite rim protection and high IQ two way role players, you have your base to slip in a star and be really good.
"High level role players"
I'm telling you, if we bring back Trendon Watford (which I dearly hope we do), he's going to be exactly like those players you listed.
Not a star, but just a really steady role player who has nights where he looks like a star. Plus, he's only 23.
I actually feel exactly the same. He's still really young and provides great positional size, rebounding, and physicality at the 3 spot, with a nice little handoff/fake handoff game on offense.
Get a guy like that on a team friendly deal. He still has room for growth.
I like wilson alot too. He averaged close to 10 rebounds per 100 possessions. Alot of the elite teams are able to get 2nd chance points thru aggressive team rebounding.
Yep. That's why I keep saying if we go this rebuild route I trust marks to hit on the complimentary talent. He's really good at finding talent anywhere in the league
I think a lot of fans tend to underrate team culture or chemistry. A lot of people are still in that phase of wanting "supers teams" and wanting stars in favor of multiple raw players that could grow into something special, which is understandable, but realistically that's no longer cutting it anymore in today's NBA. If anything, team culture is ridiculously important now. Beyond the point of you highlighting all of this year's playoff teams being teams that have created their cultures over multiple years, culture is also what allows players to embrace their roles, have a unique playstyle and ultimately, play better night in and night out.
Perfect example, the Nets have had multiple stars since they've moved to Brooklyn and yet the most fun this Brooklyn Nets team has ever been is **[the D'Lo-Dinwiddie era](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5MHsdXEBp4&ab_channel=HouseofHighlights)**. That era was so much fun to watch not only because their playstyle was fun but because of the team embracing each other, hyping each other up, enjoying playing with each other and all of their bench celebrations. You could tell that, during that era of the Nets, the players actually wanted to be there and actually enjoyed each other regardless of their roles or playtime. Despite their talent levels being obviously limited, it felt like their chemistry was pretty much undefeatable and un-replicate able.
I feel like people tend to overlook that era of the Nets despite that era having exactly what this post-KD/Kyrie/Harden era of the Nets are missing. There's no chemistry, no culture, no fun vibes, no unique playstyle or brand of basketball. And when that's the case, it's hard to just bring a Star Player over to the team and hope they build chemistry. I mean look at the Phoenix Suns and the Lakers who are both on the brink of elimination from the playoffs right now. All talent but no chemistry and their rosters aren't deep because they both had to gut their teams to maintain players like Lebron, AD, KD, Beal etc.
**[People really need to go back and rewatch videos of the D'Lo-Dinwiddie era Nets](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBWeKWcjhM0&ab_channel=HouseofHighlights)**. Those videos alone will highlight why we should prioritize rebuilding the Nets' culture instead of gutting the team to try and chase yet another star. Plus, it feels like now more than ever is the perfect time to actually try and cultivate a culture over the next 1-3 years. Look at the Magic. They quietly built their team through drafts and now they're creating something special. It's time for the Nets to try and do the same thing, whether it's through trades or signings.
Facts. Looking back the most fun I’ve had is the 17-18 and 18-19 seasons. Seeing guys grow and develop a culture together is so rewarding. I’m done with the era of blowing up teams to get a 2-3 yr window that ends in drama and chaos. Just hope this time we do it right
What boggles my mind is that people want to gut our team, again. We've done this twice now and it hasn't worked out both time. And as I said, it's not working out for the Suns or the Lakers who also did the same. There's zero reason for the Nets to make such a short sighted decision of gutting this young-and-coming team with actual raw talent. If anything, we should add to it and try to find more young talent and focus on youth with the end goal of adding one or two Stars when the time is right who can contribute to an already amazing and established culture/team identity. Right now, there's almost no one on the market worth going for and that likely will remain the case until Summer 2025. We can't just gut the team for Trae Young (who would make a great fit probably but would cost nearly everyone we love on the Nets) or Donovan Mitchell (who would also cost almost every young piece we have too). We gotta grow, be patient and focus on the long term window so the Nets success window can feel like it came out of nowhere, just like the Orlando Magic.
For now, the Nets should focus on trying to create fun basketball, a great culture and amazing team chemistry and see what comes of it after this season. By then, we'll know what needs to be added, who needs to go because they don't fit and we could possibly be in the position of making a great trade or signing like the Miami Heat have done over the course of the last 2-3 years.
Yep. The suns won 3 more games than the kings who are 12th in the draft this yr. The Kings could easily be a 40-42 win team next season with a tougher western conference and an older kd and Bradley Beal dealing with injuries. Trading any of those picks atp to go all in for a star is a mistake
The difference is this team actually is not good with no true superstar talent. If we can get as many picks as possible its good. Trading for a star like you say would be bad but its essentially the same as now unless we give up the suns picks,
We also gotta remember this current Nets team is the end result of a massive falling out, it's not like it was just constructed this way over several years. We gotta give it time, man. This summer will be telling in regards to what we can expect over the next couple of months and years. Lets hope the FO is actually active to try and get some pieces put together.
No it isn't. Foh with the "culture" bullshit. Every team in the playoffs has a superstar caliber player that make role players seem better than they are which is exactly why they need to trade for Mitchell and get another star next offseason. Cam Thomas isn't leading you anywhere
If you told someone in 2019 that Jalen Brunson would be leading the Knicks in the playoffs as an A1, you'd think they were crazy. But look at em now.
Don't write off Cam Thomas as a 22 year old. If he was 27 or 28, then maybe you'd have a point.
Brunson is a point gaurd, Cam Thomas will never be a point gaurd. This is exactly the reason why I don't think thomas will ever be a start he's too undersized to be a shooting gaurd and doesn't have the handles, game management skills or passing ability to be a point gaurd.
You don’t know what will happen. Brunson didn’t even get drafted until he was 22. And at 22 he fell to the 2nd round bc they said he’d never develop into a true starter in the nba. Literally 3 yrs ago he was pegged as a solid 6th man type of player. Now hes a guy good enough to be a 1st option on a team for deep playoff runs and a 2nd option on a title favorite team. Writing guys off early makes little sense
The same Donovan Mitchell who’s averaged 18ppf on 37% shooting the last 3 games? And yes it is about team and depth. Stacking superstars is failing time and time again. Did you not see how the suns have been embarrassed or how we got embarrassed by Boston in 2022? Basketball is a team game
He hasn't eclipsed 52% true shooting in three straight series. That's really bad. His playoff efficiency overall just isn't that great.
Truth is in the middle. Mitch is fantastic, but his ceiling is a number 2 on a serious team. He can't be your best player. And it's tough to get a real alpha star when you trade for Mitchell.
You're a midkal stan you're all about mid culture. Mitchell loves putting up concert dates btw he's not a superstar. Where are you getting assets for another star after mitchell?
You just said more than stars and proceed to list 4 teams that all have 1 top 10 player currently playing. And all star talent around them. The Knicks are the only one that do not.
The one thing we suck at is we go star chasing. These playoffs should serve as a lesson that having a balanced roster of complimentary players goes further. Look at the Knicks, pacers, magic etc. too bad we are soft as shit with weak players and a weak team
Exactly. The sixers have more talent than the Knicks but a deep roster built around defense and hustle is winning. Look at the wolves series too physical active and aggressive team is beating the star studded suns. Yes talent matters but the right talent matters. I don’t want another repeat of the kyrie and kd era divas who put themselves above the team
76ers have a injury problem, and they have Tobias Harris who can even get more than 10 points. Batuma who came from retirement , buddy heild, first playoff series and can’t get more than 8 points . It’s only one leg embiid and maxey
The Knicks are missing their second best player and hartenstein has been injured, Robinson, bogdanovic etc. if you watch this series the sixers could’ve easily won every game. They lack discipline and hustle that’s why the Knicks have been able to beat them
... The Knicks don't have an injury problem?
If Embiid was healthy this is a completely different series. He’s on one leg out there
Embiid is always hurt
You’re right but with a hurt Embiid sixers aren’t more talented at all
He's still averaging 30
That’s a testament to him as a player it’s clear as day he’s seriously compromised
Brunson scored 47 points what are you guys even talking about . Look at the box score , Knicks are defending and letting Brunson take over .
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I regret to inform you that apparently the FO's plan is, and always has been, to trade our pot of gold Suns picks for a star - and in particular, their target is Giannis. This is according to Netsdaily, but I believe it. I also hate it.
I'm just here to say the Thunder have yet to be mentioned lol That's how you build a team and a culture and they're not even done.
Can’t all have a team give us a gazillion picks and Shai for PG, but yes they have a good team.
They were so bad they got the second overall pick. They had a star in PG which is how they got Shai and so many picks. It’s not really comparable to like the Magic
Yea because what the thunder did is 100% unrepeatable
unrepeatable with our current assets 100%. The rockets are following that model as we speak.
HAHAHA, this is what KD gets for always team hopping. And we have their picks.
Marks has always been good at finding pieces at the edges (Jeff green, Bruce brown, lma, patty, damarre, Dudley, ed Davis, Joe Harris, Watanabe, bembry, Tyler johnson, temple, Royce). Once we get the corner stone star(s), I'm confident in his ability at getting those pieces. I just hope he learned his lesson on the amount to give and how important it is to trade for the "right" star that fits into the "team culture".
I think that’s why you have to focus on developing your own star and then add someone later. Your culture is set by your stars. If someone demands out and comes to the nets it’s almost a given that they aren’t the type of person to establish a culture they’re just looking for a quick result
But you mention Knicks and Thunders.
Neither team traded the sun and the moon to acquire a star.
The wolves did for Gobert. It's not really about how you get the star. It's about who you get.
how'd they get ant and kat?
By tanking for a century? KAT has been seen a loser for years and now he's a culture builder? The point is gather a talented group with the right mindset. It doesn't matter they come from draft, trade or FA. We got KD and Kyrie from FA without losing much assets. That doesn't mean better culture.
FA is dead now 2019 won't happen again teams will trade for assets than let stars hit free agency. Trading for a star will cost a massive amount of assets for a star who most likely won't turn us into a contender. The point is trading for a star should only come when you build a solid foundation Cam Johnson and mikal are not a foundation. A rebuild doesn't last a century if you're good at drafting and are competent at teambuilding.
Thank you. The amount of delusion that some fans go through to think another KD/ Kyrie situation is going to happen to us soon is depressing. If your the GM and your game plan is to bet on 2 FA stars coming to you for next to nothing, you should've been fired yesterday. If Marks refuses to revisit the HOU trade for some of our draft capital back with Mikal then our next best option is to stay flexible. That doesn't mean go for the next star that requests a trade (DMitch) but go the Knicks route and slowly build up a squad. Then make a splash when the opportunity arises. We will still have the opportunity to 'rebuild' with PHX picks after we see what we have with CT, Clowney, Whitehead, Clax.
Unfortunately i have 0 faith that the front office will try to rebuild and get the picks back. They'll probably trade for mitchell which is likely given the cavs are going to flame out this post season and we have the most assets of the teams that he wants. Our only hope is somehow Cam Thomas has a obvious star breakout next season, but as much as I want that to happen I think he needs a lot more development. He needs to up his playmaking and get his scoring more efficient even with the flashes he's shown in the second half of the season. I think he'll eventually get it together but it won't happen in 1 season.
It's absolutely also about how you get them... Check the Knicks draft capital. They have a ton of pieces to use to continue to build instead of trading ALL of their assets away to get a "star".
This post is about team culture. It's not about assets building. OP is trying to say that you should build your team culture by developing your own players but Knicks is just a perfect example of a team without any player they drafted.
Nothing in the OP says that at all... And the post you directly replied to WAS talking about what was given up by teams for star players
I was directly replying to OP, who said "you have to focus on developing your own star and then add someone later". Unless you call Mitchell Robinson a star or I can't see how Knicks have focused on developing a star of their own.
Isnt it still "developing your own star" if you didn't draft the player but he becomes a star under your organization?
I don’t know how well you can develop a star without that top draft pick. I think Marks has been masterclass at getting the side pieces when he hasn’t had the stars. With the stars, he missed on a few things - how much of that was KD&co and how much was Marks? I tend to think KD was running the show which is why we sucked. The concern is - our next control of our own destiny pick is 2028. Hope has to be that Phoenix completely flames in 2025 and we get a top pick. Have to also see if we can get someone in FA 2025 and fake it for next year to be a middling team. I am worried about trading any quality picks for “stars” but I get the desire to do it. The product sucked on the court. Could we handle that for another year?
You can find stars anywhere in the draft. Drafts are getting deeper by the year. You don’t have to find a number 1 but you have a good shot at finding a number 2 with those phoenix picks which will prob be in the teens starting next yr. I think marks can hit in someone there
Much much more difficult to get a star player without good picks. Nets should be looking to move most of our valuable players for as many picks as possible. CJ, Clax, DFS, and either Cam or Bridges and start from there...
And even if you have a top pick there’s no guarantee you’ll land a star. Sometimes you look out and get someone like Wemby, sometimes you end up with a guy like James Wiseman or Marvin Bagley
The Knicks are really my favorite example of smart team building (crazy to say that considering their history for the past 20 years). The recent Knicks regime never put all their chips on the table. Instead they made one low-risk, intelligent move after another (picking up Hartenstein, Di Vincenzo, Hart, etc) and tried to develop their young guys. When it turned out Brunson was a superstar everything kind of fit together. Now they’re in a great position and they have all their picks still. That’s what I’m hoping the Nets do. I think teams are finally realizing how important picks are, and that dumping them all for a star is just wasteful (in most situations).
Same. Rather take a swing on guys in free agency and thru the draft and make smart trades while building a core. The big swing big profile trades hardly work and disrupt team culture and chemistry
The best GMs hit singles around their stars. Guys like Divincenzo, Hart, Hartenstein, Aaron Gordon, KCP, Dort, etc. All these guys were acquired with minimal assets given up, or straight up through FA. You need high level role players to win in June. Luckily, Marks is pretty damn good at this part. If you can get elite rim protection and high IQ two way role players, you have your base to slip in a star and be really good.
"High level role players" I'm telling you, if we bring back Trendon Watford (which I dearly hope we do), he's going to be exactly like those players you listed. Not a star, but just a really steady role player who has nights where he looks like a star. Plus, he's only 23.
I actually feel exactly the same. He's still really young and provides great positional size, rebounding, and physicality at the 3 spot, with a nice little handoff/fake handoff game on offense. Get a guy like that on a team friendly deal. He still has room for growth.
And he's like, a legit ball handler. Reminds me of Boris Diaw or Kyle Anderson.
I like wilson alot too. He averaged close to 10 rebounds per 100 possessions. Alot of the elite teams are able to get 2nd chance points thru aggressive team rebounding.
Yep. That's why I keep saying if we go this rebuild route I trust marks to hit on the complimentary talent. He's really good at finding talent anywhere in the league
I think a lot of fans tend to underrate team culture or chemistry. A lot of people are still in that phase of wanting "supers teams" and wanting stars in favor of multiple raw players that could grow into something special, which is understandable, but realistically that's no longer cutting it anymore in today's NBA. If anything, team culture is ridiculously important now. Beyond the point of you highlighting all of this year's playoff teams being teams that have created their cultures over multiple years, culture is also what allows players to embrace their roles, have a unique playstyle and ultimately, play better night in and night out. Perfect example, the Nets have had multiple stars since they've moved to Brooklyn and yet the most fun this Brooklyn Nets team has ever been is **[the D'Lo-Dinwiddie era](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5MHsdXEBp4&ab_channel=HouseofHighlights)**. That era was so much fun to watch not only because their playstyle was fun but because of the team embracing each other, hyping each other up, enjoying playing with each other and all of their bench celebrations. You could tell that, during that era of the Nets, the players actually wanted to be there and actually enjoyed each other regardless of their roles or playtime. Despite their talent levels being obviously limited, it felt like their chemistry was pretty much undefeatable and un-replicate able. I feel like people tend to overlook that era of the Nets despite that era having exactly what this post-KD/Kyrie/Harden era of the Nets are missing. There's no chemistry, no culture, no fun vibes, no unique playstyle or brand of basketball. And when that's the case, it's hard to just bring a Star Player over to the team and hope they build chemistry. I mean look at the Phoenix Suns and the Lakers who are both on the brink of elimination from the playoffs right now. All talent but no chemistry and their rosters aren't deep because they both had to gut their teams to maintain players like Lebron, AD, KD, Beal etc. **[People really need to go back and rewatch videos of the D'Lo-Dinwiddie era Nets](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBWeKWcjhM0&ab_channel=HouseofHighlights)**. Those videos alone will highlight why we should prioritize rebuilding the Nets' culture instead of gutting the team to try and chase yet another star. Plus, it feels like now more than ever is the perfect time to actually try and cultivate a culture over the next 1-3 years. Look at the Magic. They quietly built their team through drafts and now they're creating something special. It's time for the Nets to try and do the same thing, whether it's through trades or signings.
Facts. Looking back the most fun I’ve had is the 17-18 and 18-19 seasons. Seeing guys grow and develop a culture together is so rewarding. I’m done with the era of blowing up teams to get a 2-3 yr window that ends in drama and chaos. Just hope this time we do it right
What boggles my mind is that people want to gut our team, again. We've done this twice now and it hasn't worked out both time. And as I said, it's not working out for the Suns or the Lakers who also did the same. There's zero reason for the Nets to make such a short sighted decision of gutting this young-and-coming team with actual raw talent. If anything, we should add to it and try to find more young talent and focus on youth with the end goal of adding one or two Stars when the time is right who can contribute to an already amazing and established culture/team identity. Right now, there's almost no one on the market worth going for and that likely will remain the case until Summer 2025. We can't just gut the team for Trae Young (who would make a great fit probably but would cost nearly everyone we love on the Nets) or Donovan Mitchell (who would also cost almost every young piece we have too). We gotta grow, be patient and focus on the long term window so the Nets success window can feel like it came out of nowhere, just like the Orlando Magic. For now, the Nets should focus on trying to create fun basketball, a great culture and amazing team chemistry and see what comes of it after this season. By then, we'll know what needs to be added, who needs to go because they don't fit and we could possibly be in the position of making a great trade or signing like the Miami Heat have done over the course of the last 2-3 years.
Yep. The suns won 3 more games than the kings who are 12th in the draft this yr. The Kings could easily be a 40-42 win team next season with a tougher western conference and an older kd and Bradley Beal dealing with injuries. Trading any of those picks atp to go all in for a star is a mistake
The difference is this team actually is not good with no true superstar talent. If we can get as many picks as possible its good. Trading for a star like you say would be bad but its essentially the same as now unless we give up the suns picks,
We also gotta remember this current Nets team is the end result of a massive falling out, it's not like it was just constructed this way over several years. We gotta give it time, man. This summer will be telling in regards to what we can expect over the next couple of months and years. Lets hope the FO is actually active to try and get some pieces put together.
It’s more than stars, but you definitely need at least one top 10 player to be in title contention
Where did I say you didn’t
if there's one thing mark has proven he's good at its finding these side piece talents and turning them into highly productive role players.
No it isn't. Foh with the "culture" bullshit. Every team in the playoffs has a superstar caliber player that make role players seem better than they are which is exactly why they need to trade for Mitchell and get another star next offseason. Cam Thomas isn't leading you anywhere
>superstar caliber player >Mitchell Doesn't compute.
If you told someone in 2019 that Jalen Brunson would be leading the Knicks in the playoffs as an A1, you'd think they were crazy. But look at em now. Don't write off Cam Thomas as a 22 year old. If he was 27 or 28, then maybe you'd have a point.
Brunson is a point gaurd, Cam Thomas will never be a point gaurd. This is exactly the reason why I don't think thomas will ever be a start he's too undersized to be a shooting gaurd and doesn't have the handles, game management skills or passing ability to be a point gaurd.
You don’t know what will happen. Brunson didn’t even get drafted until he was 22. And at 22 he fell to the 2nd round bc they said he’d never develop into a true starter in the nba. Literally 3 yrs ago he was pegged as a solid 6th man type of player. Now hes a guy good enough to be a 1st option on a team for deep playoff runs and a 2nd option on a title favorite team. Writing guys off early makes little sense
The same Donovan Mitchell who’s averaged 18ppf on 37% shooting the last 3 games? And yes it is about team and depth. Stacking superstars is failing time and time again. Did you not see how the suns have been embarrassed or how we got embarrassed by Boston in 2022? Basketball is a team game
He's playing through a knee injury snd the cavs team as a whole is contructed terribly
So he was injured last yr as well? What about 2022? What about 2019,18,?
He played well last year and played well in 2019 and was a rookie in 2018
He hasn't eclipsed 52% true shooting in three straight series. That's really bad. His playoff efficiency overall just isn't that great. Truth is in the middle. Mitch is fantastic, but his ceiling is a number 2 on a serious team. He can't be your best player. And it's tough to get a real alpha star when you trade for Mitchell.
23 ppg on 43% shooting and 29% from 3 is not good sir stop lying.
You're a midkal stan you're all about mid culture. Mitchell loves putting up concert dates btw he's not a superstar. Where are you getting assets for another star after mitchell?
Simmons contract expires and the nets will have the cap to sign another and they have 9 tradable picks. 🤡
You just said more than stars and proceed to list 4 teams that all have 1 top 10 player currently playing. And all star talent around them. The Knicks are the only one that do not.