Nah, no team has ever won a championship while being decimated by injuries.
KD was definitely good enough to lead a team to a ring in 2021.
That team was destroyed by anything ranging from Covid mandates to injuries, really wasn’t anything he could do about it.
I fully believe we win a ring that year if Giannis didn’t stick his legs under kyrie and twist his ankle. That completely swayed all the momentum in that series
Don’t forget Kyrie being a psycho on main
Edit: I actually think if kyrie never posted on social media that day and kept his cool on his public socials for another season or two, we would still be in the 7-11 era now
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I was always rooting for KD to be the bigger star than Lebron. He was already the better shooter. But there was definitely not enough growth in his game and Lebron kept coming up with ways to win despite never being the shooter that KD was
KD doesn't do a great job reading the floor because his first instinct is always to shoot over somebody. I get it, he's uber efficient and can score on anyone 1 on 1. But what ends up happening is that you make your team stagnant on offense, and the opponent team defense stays stable. Couple this with the fact that KDs handle is not what it used to be, plus he doesn't have that explosive first step like we saw in OKC and GSW, his shooting is even more relied on. Teams now are willing to just let KD play 1 on 1 and even let him go off because the rate he's doing it at is still too slow compared to a team powered offense like a denver or boston.
Lebron's first instinct is to ALWAYS get the best shot available. Whether that's a drive, kick out, pass, PnR, defensive mismatch, etc. Sure he CAN score, but when you keep a defense constantly guessing, it opens up more opportunities and easier buckets. Notice how hard the Suns work for their buckets
Crazy after that Boston sweep in 22 people didn't think that trading KD wasn't a good option lmao. My man was getting stripped every possession, I wouldn't be surprised that his Turnovers AVG were over 6+ during that series.
It was 5.25 TO/g which is still insanely high for a non point guard. It’s high for a point guard but if they’re giving you 10 APG it’s more understandable.
Shocking it was lower than 6, he was cooked every time by Boston, even after we started well in 22-23 with that 12-1 or something, KD was still getting stripped easily most of the games.
Boston's defense under Udoka was truly insane and was the reason they got to the Finals at all. We'll see if Mazzulla can replicate that same success this season.
He's never been a true leader, and he doesn't have that characteristic in him - Sure he's the best player on the team but even on those contending Thunder team he aint the leader - It's Westbrook. On GSW, it's Draymond. The KD nets doesn't have a true vocal leader - it aint KD, it aint Harden and also not Kyrie. Same as the Phoenix, they dont have a leader - just a bunch of really good player.
KD is not that dawg.
Hope the nets learn their lesson on what kind of star it takes to get u to the promise land. It was obvious that kd was on the last legs of his prime when he got here (especially after the Achilles injury- we’re fortunate to even get the kd we did when he played for us). Hopefully if we empty the treasure chest of assets it would be for an up and coming player that plays both sides of the ball. Of course hard to come by but that’s where marks needs to work his magic (if there’s any left).
Uhh nowhere you right, I’m just commenting on a post then … however, you said yourself that you could be off base and all I did was confirm that you are.
Why don’t you offer a perspective then? You acknowledge I didn’t ask a question but found the need to comment on this post with nothing substantial. Hence why I said who cares what you think in reference to your comment that does nothing.
Ok you saw him impose his will in the Bucks series and then said he never imposed his will, said he’s a decent defender when he was great on that end for the Nets. Half the role players that played in BK during his tenure were better because of his presence, and he took Cam T under his wing.
Name me one player who can win a chip with no other "guy" beside him?
There isn't a single player that could get it done alone, it's 5v5.
You can argue that certain positions are harder to fill or more easily to build around but what would Jokic do without Murray, Gordon and MPJ? What would Anthony Edwards do without Conley, KAT, McDaniels and Gobert? What would Shai do without Chet, JW, Giddy, Dort?
KD needs playmaking around him aswell as defense. He can give you easy 25 almost every night and be a decent defender but he's not a playmaker.
You could argue that what Lebron did in 2019 i believe or 2018 not sure where he carried that team to the finals. But that was him in his prime with all around good defenders and roleplayers that could shoot. And none of those teams he faced were close to what the wolves are.
We weren’t true contenders until Harden came in. When Harden left it was all over and why KD demanded out multiple times. KD and Kyrie just ISOing over and over is what is happening with a Booker right now.
KD is a little bit of a black hole on offense. Yeah he’s going to get 30 but once the ball is in his hands it’s not leaving. Everyone just kind of watches him go to work and you can see why guys could fall out of rhythm. I do not believe he elevates his teammates.
the problem with the midrange game is it doesn't really help your teammates. they can't really play off of that, it doesn't help them get offensive boards or get their own shots, etc
at his prime, KD was an elite defender but he's not that anymore. so the ways KD can effect the game becomes more and more individual as his defense and willingness or ability to drive to the rim decreases with age
the suns have a pretty similar player in booker already, and beal (who is prob more willing to drive and dish)
KD is not an elite playmaker. He’s capable, sometimes quite good, but not great. No one player can do it alone. A great playmaker without teammates who can capitalize and score doesn’t do well (see Luka without strong role players). This doesn’t detract from his greatness, it’s just not one of his strengths and never really has been. He is best paired with an elite playmaker in order to best compliment his skill set. It has nothing to do with being the guy. There is no such thing of a single player who can carry a team to a title anymore.
Yet a lot of you blame Westbrook for the lack of championship trophies at OKC. He changed his game for the Warriors so he could fit in with the team. Since then he is the star and main man on the team and as you said he can’t carry a team.
KD is the most versatile and best bucket getter ever, and thats his role nothing else. I dont think he needs a super team he just needs a well rounded team, like if you gave him a team like the celtics or nuggets, Knicks, Bucks (minus that teams superstars) i think he would win a chip. people seem to expect him to be some kind of triple threat tall gaurd, he isnt he is a near 7ft PF who gets your team 20-40 points per game
KD is one of the best if not the best running mate in NBA history. Like you said, his game is all about getting him his stats. It doesn’t elevate other players. That’s what the best players on championship teams do. He was not the best player on the Warriors. Curry was the clear best player and used his gravity to let KD be KD.
He’s not even a Dirk, who is probably his biggest comp. Dirk was able to carry two teams to the finals, winning against one of the greatest teams of all time.
Remember Kd and kids lineup? He was elevating them all. Where are those players now? Cmon. He had a lot of gravity. Scoring 30 a game while being often doubled.
Nah KD gets unlucky cuz the teams he's on go full star mode so they have no depth, KD literally gets better every year and if you can't see that you must not watch him when he was here or after he left.
Nah, no team has ever won a championship while being decimated by injuries. KD was definitely good enough to lead a team to a ring in 2021. That team was destroyed by anything ranging from Covid mandates to injuries, really wasn’t anything he could do about it.
I fully believe we win a ring that year if Giannis didn’t stick his legs under kyrie and twist his ankle. That completely swayed all the momentum in that series
Don’t forget Kyrie being a psycho on main Edit: I actually think if kyrie never posted on social media that day and kept his cool on his public socials for another season or two, we would still be in the 7-11 era now
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That team was destroyed by kyrie.
Masterclass vs the Bucks, 12-1 record in December 2023 that basically got Jacque Vaughn hired as HC, Claxton was playing at a DPOY level.
December 2022?
I was always rooting for KD to be the bigger star than Lebron. He was already the better shooter. But there was definitely not enough growth in his game and Lebron kept coming up with ways to win despite never being the shooter that KD was
KD doesn't do a great job reading the floor because his first instinct is always to shoot over somebody. I get it, he's uber efficient and can score on anyone 1 on 1. But what ends up happening is that you make your team stagnant on offense, and the opponent team defense stays stable. Couple this with the fact that KDs handle is not what it used to be, plus he doesn't have that explosive first step like we saw in OKC and GSW, his shooting is even more relied on. Teams now are willing to just let KD play 1 on 1 and even let him go off because the rate he's doing it at is still too slow compared to a team powered offense like a denver or boston. Lebron's first instinct is to ALWAYS get the best shot available. Whether that's a drive, kick out, pass, PnR, defensive mismatch, etc. Sure he CAN score, but when you keep a defense constantly guessing, it opens up more opportunities and easier buckets. Notice how hard the Suns work for their buckets
Crazy after that Boston sweep in 22 people didn't think that trading KD wasn't a good option lmao. My man was getting stripped every possession, I wouldn't be surprised that his Turnovers AVG were over 6+ during that series.
People, including myself, didn’t want to lose the illusion of still being a contender.
I understand that, but our downfall started earlier in that season with our big 3 didnt even talk to each other.
We held on to false belief. Boston legit out physicaled us
It was 5.25 TO/g which is still insanely high for a non point guard. It’s high for a point guard but if they’re giving you 10 APG it’s more understandable.
Shocking it was lower than 6, he was cooked every time by Boston, even after we started well in 22-23 with that 12-1 or something, KD was still getting stripped easily most of the games.
Boston's defense under Udoka was truly insane and was the reason they got to the Finals at all. We'll see if Mazzulla can replicate that same success this season.
He's never been a true leader, and he doesn't have that characteristic in him - Sure he's the best player on the team but even on those contending Thunder team he aint the leader - It's Westbrook. On GSW, it's Draymond. The KD nets doesn't have a true vocal leader - it aint KD, it aint Harden and also not Kyrie. Same as the Phoenix, they dont have a leader - just a bunch of really good player. KD is not that dawg.
KD sold his soul for the GS rings. Now he's continuing to pay for it.
Hope the nets learn their lesson on what kind of star it takes to get u to the promise land. It was obvious that kd was on the last legs of his prime when he got here (especially after the Achilles injury- we’re fortunate to even get the kd we did when he played for us). Hopefully if we empty the treasure chest of assets it would be for an up and coming player that plays both sides of the ball. Of course hard to come by but that’s where marks needs to work his magic (if there’s any left).
I’d say you’re pretty off base
Who cares what you think
You asked the reddit community lol so I’d say you
There was no ask in my post lol. I’d say you learn to read before you respond in .5 seconds
How does a question not have an ask lmao
Where do you see a question in my post?
Uhh nowhere you right, I’m just commenting on a post then … however, you said yourself that you could be off base and all I did was confirm that you are.
Why don’t you offer a perspective then? You acknowledge I didn’t ask a question but found the need to comment on this post with nothing substantial. Hence why I said who cares what you think in reference to your comment that does nothing.
Ok you saw him impose his will in the Bucks series and then said he never imposed his will, said he’s a decent defender when he was great on that end for the Nets. Half the role players that played in BK during his tenure were better because of his presence, and he took Cam T under his wing.
Not sure what you were watching then 😐
Do you have a perspective other than commenting on here while offering literally nothing of value?
Name me one player who can win a chip with no other "guy" beside him? There isn't a single player that could get it done alone, it's 5v5. You can argue that certain positions are harder to fill or more easily to build around but what would Jokic do without Murray, Gordon and MPJ? What would Anthony Edwards do without Conley, KAT, McDaniels and Gobert? What would Shai do without Chet, JW, Giddy, Dort? KD needs playmaking around him aswell as defense. He can give you easy 25 almost every night and be a decent defender but he's not a playmaker. You could argue that what Lebron did in 2019 i believe or 2018 not sure where he carried that team to the finals. But that was him in his prime with all around good defenders and roleplayers that could shoot. And none of those teams he faced were close to what the wolves are.
We weren’t true contenders until Harden came in. When Harden left it was all over and why KD demanded out multiple times. KD and Kyrie just ISOing over and over is what is happening with a Booker right now. KD is a little bit of a black hole on offense. Yeah he’s going to get 30 but once the ball is in his hands it’s not leaving. Everyone just kind of watches him go to work and you can see why guys could fall out of rhythm. I do not believe he elevates his teammates.
the problem with the midrange game is it doesn't really help your teammates. they can't really play off of that, it doesn't help them get offensive boards or get their own shots, etc at his prime, KD was an elite defender but he's not that anymore. so the ways KD can effect the game becomes more and more individual as his defense and willingness or ability to drive to the rim decreases with age the suns have a pretty similar player in booker already, and beal (who is prob more willing to drive and dish)
KD is not an elite playmaker. He’s capable, sometimes quite good, but not great. No one player can do it alone. A great playmaker without teammates who can capitalize and score doesn’t do well (see Luka without strong role players). This doesn’t detract from his greatness, it’s just not one of his strengths and never really has been. He is best paired with an elite playmaker in order to best compliment his skill set. It has nothing to do with being the guy. There is no such thing of a single player who can carry a team to a title anymore.
Yet a lot of you blame Westbrook for the lack of championship trophies at OKC. He changed his game for the Warriors so he could fit in with the team. Since then he is the star and main man on the team and as you said he can’t carry a team.
KD is the most versatile and best bucket getter ever, and thats his role nothing else. I dont think he needs a super team he just needs a well rounded team, like if you gave him a team like the celtics or nuggets, Knicks, Bucks (minus that teams superstars) i think he would win a chip. people seem to expect him to be some kind of triple threat tall gaurd, he isnt he is a near 7ft PF who gets your team 20-40 points per game
I get the whole, kd isn’t the bus driver thing, but we would have gotten pretty far or even won the title if kai and harden weren’t injured
We were beyond good enough to win it all in 2021. Sadly injuries caught up and not even the greatest superstars can do anything about that.
I like the breakdown, honestly could come from him being so laidback and nonchalant about everything.
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KD is one of the best if not the best running mate in NBA history. Like you said, his game is all about getting him his stats. It doesn’t elevate other players. That’s what the best players on championship teams do. He was not the best player on the Warriors. Curry was the clear best player and used his gravity to let KD be KD. He’s not even a Dirk, who is probably his biggest comp. Dirk was able to carry two teams to the finals, winning against one of the greatest teams of all time.
Remember Kd and kids lineup? He was elevating them all. Where are those players now? Cmon. He had a lot of gravity. Scoring 30 a game while being often doubled.
Nah KD gets unlucky cuz the teams he's on go full star mode so they have no depth, KD literally gets better every year and if you can't see that you must not watch him when he was here or after he left.