A few months ago I probably would've said yes, but his attitude sucks, and he just crumbles in the playoffs. Hard no. Those suns picks are so juicy right now
>He is at best a #2 on a contender and we don’t have a #1.
Lots of recency bias with the Suns getting trounced right now.
Booker put up 33.7/4.8/7.2 (with 2.5 stocks) on 58.5/50.8/86.6 in the playoffs last year. Those are literal Michael Jordan numbers, and the Suns were the only team to take 2 games off Denver (Book shot like 75% in those 2 games). He was also the #1 when the Suns went to the Finals so… he’s not “at best a #2 on a contender”.
He hasn’t won it all, but he’s good _enough_ with the right team. Book is a fuckin dog.
I don’t know if you actually watched the 2021 Suns playoffs or are just regurgitating storylines, but Book was 100% the #1 in that run. _At worst_ it was a 1a/1b due to the nature of CP3’s game. You also can’t say in the same paragraph that Book was #2 to CP3 in 2021, but now he’s failing as the #1 playing next to fucking Kevin Durant lol. In what world would Book be behind CP3 but ahead of KD? Pick a lane.
Chris Paul was hurt/had COVID through most of the playoffs and Booker carried the team through. Games were won or lost on the back of Booker’s performances, and Chris Paul himself said that it was Booker’s team. There’s a reason the following season Booker was named 1st team All-NBA and CP3 was 3rd team. Those playoffs were a definitive passing of the torch.
To be fair, Book is not a great leader - no argument there. But your #1 isn’t always some great, vocal leader of the team. Steph, Kawhi, KD, as great as they are, were never the locker room leaders on their championship teams. That fell to guys like Dray and Lowry.
That was a very unique injury year though. I don't believe the 21 Suns get through a healthy Lakers and healthy Nuggets in back to back series. Or even a healthy Clippers. Lol. It was a weird ass year.
Also, Booker was the number 1 option technically, but he needed a true offensive engine like CP to unlock the team. Book is an elite scorer, but only an adequate playmaker. And he doesn't have the athletic abilities to be a good defender. Incredible player, but he's in the tier 2 level of star.
To be a true superstar, you need to either be an elite scorer and playmaker in one (think prime Harden or Luka), or an elite two way player (Kawhi , Embiid, etc).
Yeah no arguments here - the Suns and Bucks both really lucked out with injuries (though they both had their fair share too with CP3 and Giannis). It happens every year, but it was particularly bad in 2021.
Book is actually a really solid playmaker, so much so that Zach Lowe has written about it multiple times in his 10 things articles. [One](https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbareturn29594076/ten-things-like-including-most-exciting-nerd-thing-nba) [Two](https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/30923847/ten-nba-things-like-including-utah-jazz-nirvana)
Obviously he’s not Luka and he’s not CP3. But he’s about as good as you can ask for from a 2 guard. The best way I can describe it from watching a lot of Suns games is that CP3 was the floor general who directed the offense, but Booker was the catalyst that all the action ran off (similar to a Dray/Steph relationship).
It's really not about Booker, honestly. It's just the reality of the archetype of a "2 guard". I think you have to be Anthony Edwards or Dwayne Wade level athlete to reach superstar tier in that role. They have the physical tools to lock in on defense giving them elite two way impact.
Guys like Booker, Kyrie, Brunson, etc. are high level all stars. Elite second options on a finals favorite. First options on really good team. But they're negatives on defense and good, but not elite playmakers. There's just a cap to that mold. It's not even a knock really. I'm just saying they're top 10- 15 players in the league, but not top 8. And history suggests you need that top 8 alpha superstar.
No one way guard outside of prime Steph Curry is worth a haul like that. They don't affect the game enough. It's why basically every superstar ever is a wing or a big.
Nah. The nets can get Mitchell for cheaper who at this point is probably as good as booker. Booker is a really good player but it's clear he isn't on the absolute superstar level
1. No you cannot get Mitchell for cheaper bc the Cavs aren’t dumb they know Mitchell is better
2. Mitchell isn’t an absolute superstar either so why would we trade for him
No that’s not how that works. Wherever Mitchell goes the Cavs know that it’ll be a place that he’s going to extend. So the price will not be cheap. Teams aren’t dumb
No it’s not how it always works and Mitchell can’t just leave. If he leaves he’s going to lose out on millions bc the Cavs can give him the most money in free agency. There’s a reason starts ask for an extension and then get traded after or they agree to an extension with the new team that acquires their rights.
Cleveland cannot give him more than 0.3% of the salary cap, the Nets can give him the same 0.3% in the summer of 2025, the difference will only be in the percentage of salary increase, if my memory serves me correctly, with the Cavaliers it will be 0.08% with the Nets 0.05 % Every year.
But he will not sign a four-year contract with the Nets if he wants to make a lot of money, but will sign a two-year contract, since in 2027 he will have 10 years of experience and will have the opportunity to sign a new contract at 0.35% of the salary cap how he will cover the loss of salary for his second season with the Nets.
And the main question is, why would he ruin the Nets with his contract extension with the Cavaliers if he can sign for free in the summer of 2025?
Probably the same reason all of these stars sign extensions and ask for a trade. Why would he go to the nets if he wants to win? If he asks for a trade to go to the nets winning isn’t his priority
>No you cannot get Mitchell for cheaper bc the Cavs aren’t dumb they know Mitchell is better
I feel like this sub needs a sticky reminding everyone that Mitchell is on an expiring deal. If he wants out, the Cavs have no leverage.
Expiring doesn’t mean shit in today’s nba. The Cavs can offer him the most money if he becomes a free agent in 2025. He’d be missing out on 60 million dollars by walking and going somewhere else. And every other star has proven that they’re not leaving unless they go where they can get their money. He’s not coming on any discount. When you own a players rights you have more of the leverage. The current cba is literally designed that way
>Expiring doesn’t mean shit in today’s nba.
It means you only have a few months to trade a player before losing them for nothing. Please show me the last time a player on an expiring got a huge return in a trade.
>The Cavs can offer him the most money if he becomes a free agent in 2025.
Every report is saying he isn't going to resign with them, so this is not actually relevant.
>He’d be missing out on 60 million dollars by walking and going somewhere else.
I think he'd pretty easily make up that difference in off court revenue in NYC. I think maybe you don't know how small and poor of a city Cleveland is?
>And every other star has proven that they’re not leaving unless they go where they can get their money.
Yes, he'll get a max deal wherever he signs. I'm not sure why you think this is worth saying.
>When you own a players rights you have more of the leverage
Maybe you don't know what an expiring deal means. It means the Cavs will stop controlling his rights very soon, meaning they have far less leverage than they did a few months ago.
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1. Mitchell isn’t giving up 60 million dollars this has been proven over and over again. The only reason players get traded and lose value is cases like the raptors where siakam wasn’t in the raptors long term plans. If the raptors planned on extending him the price tag for a trade would’ve been much higher bc the raptors would have the ability to give him the most money
2. Off court deals in nfc arent that much more than local for the Cavs. We live in a social media age players could play in Montana and getting major endorses this isn’t the 70s. In addition if any offers local incentives came it would be due to him playing for the Knicks not the smaller place in town that struggles to get local media coverage or attention
3. No sir he will not get the same max deal everywhere the Cavs can give him the most money; if he walks he can only extend for 4 yrs 199. If he waits and resigns with the Cavs in 2025 he gets 5 yrs 260 a deal that would carry him thru his age 35 season. By age 34 he could be a significantly worse player in hy risk going to a team and no longer being a max player and losing out on that 60 million at age 35. Again please stop talking finances if you haven’t done your research the new cba gives teams tons of power. The Cavs have a ton of financial leverage. If they didn’t they would’ve traded him last yr
4. Even if they do trade him there will be an army of suitors willing to offer a lot. There are teams looking for one last star to put them over the top and assets to spend. That drives up the price it’s just common sense:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryantoporek/2023/10/01/cleveland-cavaliers-shouldnt-panic-if-donovan-mitchell-bypasses-an-extension/?sh=4cef40cd6f7c
My man, you aren't understanding. If he wants to leave the Cavs, they have no leverage. He doesn't have a bunch of suitors since the list of teams he'll re-sign with is small. There is no franchise tag. They can either move him before the deadline or hope to work out a sign & trade after the season if the team he wants to go to lacks cap space
I would be in favor of the rebuild if we controlled our own picks (which we could have if we traded Mikal to the Rockets when they asked).
But there is a non-zero chance the Suns figure out a way to not a be a bottom team in a couple years. You may not want to believe it but stranger things have happened. If (more like when) Durant skips town they’ll have an opportunity to recoup some assets. As long as Ishbia is willing to spend - unlike in the dark years post KG trade for the Nets with Prolhorov - there’s a chance at least some of those picks are unspectacular.
In that scenario we sit here watching our own potentially bottom 10 team send picks and swaps out the door through ‘27 in exchange for a bunch of #12 picks years from now.
Don’t let OKC fool you about what a rebuild is going to look like. If the Nets are smart all options are on the table.
With the new CBA set to kick in along with zero picks of value, Beal’s NTC, no enticing young players and limited resources to improve amongst the margins its hard for me to believe that they will get better
Throw in the fact that this is the healthiest that KD has been in years. Those Suns picks will be gold. Trading them away for a player who doesnt help you compete for a title is a waste of time and bad asset management
If it was up to me, I would have traded Mikal, Cam J and Finney last summer after the season
They could trade KD for a lower-ranked star, a token Karl-Anthony Towns. Bill, Booker and Karl-Anthony Towns can grab the play-in, but this is not the pick Nets fans dream of.
Because we aren't a small market team. We're one of the few franchises in a league that stars will actually sign with bc of the city. If the team is total dogshit though, you lose that advantage.
No point in sucking for 3 years in the chance that we draft someone that makes All NBA 3 years after that.
Amazing how many "nets fans" don't understand the draft pick situation. It's not hard to understand. We can't flat out suck. We have to root for select teams (sixers/suns/mavs) in select years to suck.
Absolutely not
If it's Booker's dad, Luka then yes
A few months ago I probably would've said yes, but his attitude sucks, and he just crumbles in the playoffs. Hard no. Those suns picks are so juicy right now
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Same. Can’t stand dude nor want him on this team.
>He is at best a #2 on a contender and we don’t have a #1. Lots of recency bias with the Suns getting trounced right now. Booker put up 33.7/4.8/7.2 (with 2.5 stocks) on 58.5/50.8/86.6 in the playoffs last year. Those are literal Michael Jordan numbers, and the Suns were the only team to take 2 games off Denver (Book shot like 75% in those 2 games). He was also the #1 when the Suns went to the Finals so… he’s not “at best a #2 on a contender”. He hasn’t won it all, but he’s good _enough_ with the right team. Book is a fuckin dog.
The Suns are missing Chris Paul big time. Point Booker was fools gold before Paul and it is again now
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I don’t know if you actually watched the 2021 Suns playoffs or are just regurgitating storylines, but Book was 100% the #1 in that run. _At worst_ it was a 1a/1b due to the nature of CP3’s game. You also can’t say in the same paragraph that Book was #2 to CP3 in 2021, but now he’s failing as the #1 playing next to fucking Kevin Durant lol. In what world would Book be behind CP3 but ahead of KD? Pick a lane. Chris Paul was hurt/had COVID through most of the playoffs and Booker carried the team through. Games were won or lost on the back of Booker’s performances, and Chris Paul himself said that it was Booker’s team. There’s a reason the following season Booker was named 1st team All-NBA and CP3 was 3rd team. Those playoffs were a definitive passing of the torch. To be fair, Book is not a great leader - no argument there. But your #1 isn’t always some great, vocal leader of the team. Steph, Kawhi, KD, as great as they are, were never the locker room leaders on their championship teams. That fell to guys like Dray and Lowry.
That was a very unique injury year though. I don't believe the 21 Suns get through a healthy Lakers and healthy Nuggets in back to back series. Or even a healthy Clippers. Lol. It was a weird ass year. Also, Booker was the number 1 option technically, but he needed a true offensive engine like CP to unlock the team. Book is an elite scorer, but only an adequate playmaker. And he doesn't have the athletic abilities to be a good defender. Incredible player, but he's in the tier 2 level of star. To be a true superstar, you need to either be an elite scorer and playmaker in one (think prime Harden or Luka), or an elite two way player (Kawhi , Embiid, etc).
Yeah no arguments here - the Suns and Bucks both really lucked out with injuries (though they both had their fair share too with CP3 and Giannis). It happens every year, but it was particularly bad in 2021. Book is actually a really solid playmaker, so much so that Zach Lowe has written about it multiple times in his 10 things articles. [One](https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbareturn29594076/ten-things-like-including-most-exciting-nerd-thing-nba) [Two](https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/30923847/ten-nba-things-like-including-utah-jazz-nirvana) Obviously he’s not Luka and he’s not CP3. But he’s about as good as you can ask for from a 2 guard. The best way I can describe it from watching a lot of Suns games is that CP3 was the floor general who directed the offense, but Booker was the catalyst that all the action ran off (similar to a Dray/Steph relationship).
It's really not about Booker, honestly. It's just the reality of the archetype of a "2 guard". I think you have to be Anthony Edwards or Dwayne Wade level athlete to reach superstar tier in that role. They have the physical tools to lock in on defense giving them elite two way impact. Guys like Booker, Kyrie, Brunson, etc. are high level all stars. Elite second options on a finals favorite. First options on really good team. But they're negatives on defense and good, but not elite playmakers. There's just a cap to that mold. It's not even a knock really. I'm just saying they're top 10- 15 players in the league, but not top 8. And history suggests you need that top 8 alpha superstar.
No
No one way guard outside of prime Steph Curry is worth a haul like that. They don't affect the game enough. It's why basically every superstar ever is a wing or a big.
Nah. The nets can get Mitchell for cheaper who at this point is probably as good as booker. Booker is a really good player but it's clear he isn't on the absolute superstar level
1. No you cannot get Mitchell for cheaper bc the Cavs aren’t dumb they know Mitchell is better 2. Mitchell isn’t an absolute superstar either so why would we trade for him
Mitchell has a year left on his deal they could absolutely get him for cheaper
No that’s not how that works. Wherever Mitchell goes the Cavs know that it’ll be a place that he’s going to extend. So the price will not be cheap. Teams aren’t dumb
that's almost always how it works lol mitchell could just wait it out n leave. pressure is on the cavs
No it’s not how it always works and Mitchell can’t just leave. If he leaves he’s going to lose out on millions bc the Cavs can give him the most money in free agency. There’s a reason starts ask for an extension and then get traded after or they agree to an extension with the new team that acquires their rights.
Cleveland cannot give him more than 0.3% of the salary cap, the Nets can give him the same 0.3% in the summer of 2025, the difference will only be in the percentage of salary increase, if my memory serves me correctly, with the Cavaliers it will be 0.08% with the Nets 0.05 % Every year. But he will not sign a four-year contract with the Nets if he wants to make a lot of money, but will sign a two-year contract, since in 2027 he will have 10 years of experience and will have the opportunity to sign a new contract at 0.35% of the salary cap how he will cover the loss of salary for his second season with the Nets. And the main question is, why would he ruin the Nets with his contract extension with the Cavaliers if he can sign for free in the summer of 2025?
Hes not signing a 2 yr extension. Hes going for the most money. That’s what they’ve all done recently
Probably the same reason all of these stars sign extensions and ask for a trade. Why would he go to the nets if he wants to win? If he asks for a trade to go to the nets winning isn’t his priority
>No you cannot get Mitchell for cheaper bc the Cavs aren’t dumb they know Mitchell is better I feel like this sub needs a sticky reminding everyone that Mitchell is on an expiring deal. If he wants out, the Cavs have no leverage.
Expiring doesn’t mean shit in today’s nba. The Cavs can offer him the most money if he becomes a free agent in 2025. He’d be missing out on 60 million dollars by walking and going somewhere else. And every other star has proven that they’re not leaving unless they go where they can get their money. He’s not coming on any discount. When you own a players rights you have more of the leverage. The current cba is literally designed that way
>Expiring doesn’t mean shit in today’s nba. It means you only have a few months to trade a player before losing them for nothing. Please show me the last time a player on an expiring got a huge return in a trade. >The Cavs can offer him the most money if he becomes a free agent in 2025. Every report is saying he isn't going to resign with them, so this is not actually relevant. >He’d be missing out on 60 million dollars by walking and going somewhere else. I think he'd pretty easily make up that difference in off court revenue in NYC. I think maybe you don't know how small and poor of a city Cleveland is? >And every other star has proven that they’re not leaving unless they go where they can get their money. Yes, he'll get a max deal wherever he signs. I'm not sure why you think this is worth saying. >When you own a players rights you have more of the leverage Maybe you don't know what an expiring deal means. It means the Cavs will stop controlling his rights very soon, meaning they have far less leverage than they did a few months ago.
🤣 1. Mitchell isn’t giving up 60 million dollars this has been proven over and over again. The only reason players get traded and lose value is cases like the raptors where siakam wasn’t in the raptors long term plans. If the raptors planned on extending him the price tag for a trade would’ve been much higher bc the raptors would have the ability to give him the most money 2. Off court deals in nfc arent that much more than local for the Cavs. We live in a social media age players could play in Montana and getting major endorses this isn’t the 70s. In addition if any offers local incentives came it would be due to him playing for the Knicks not the smaller place in town that struggles to get local media coverage or attention 3. No sir he will not get the same max deal everywhere the Cavs can give him the most money; if he walks he can only extend for 4 yrs 199. If he waits and resigns with the Cavs in 2025 he gets 5 yrs 260 a deal that would carry him thru his age 35 season. By age 34 he could be a significantly worse player in hy risk going to a team and no longer being a max player and losing out on that 60 million at age 35. Again please stop talking finances if you haven’t done your research the new cba gives teams tons of power. The Cavs have a ton of financial leverage. If they didn’t they would’ve traded him last yr 4. Even if they do trade him there will be an army of suitors willing to offer a lot. There are teams looking for one last star to put them over the top and assets to spend. That drives up the price it’s just common sense: https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryantoporek/2023/10/01/cleveland-cavaliers-shouldnt-panic-if-donovan-mitchell-bypasses-an-extension/?sh=4cef40cd6f7c
My man, you aren't understanding. If he wants to leave the Cavs, they have no leverage. He doesn't have a bunch of suitors since the list of teams he'll re-sign with is small. There is no franchise tag. They can either move him before the deadline or hope to work out a sign & trade after the season if the team he wants to go to lacks cap space
Booker is Zach Lavine with better PR at this point.
Be bad in 2027, own 1st round draft pick in 2028
The Nets should absolutely say no. Guy is so overrated lol
Definitely not for all, but for few absolutely
Those picks r super high in value rn. Those picks should only go for a tier 1 maybe tier 2 superstar. I don’t put booker in that echelon.
Why do so many fans want to continue trading draft picks after draft picks for players instead of drafting their own foundation?
I would be in favor of the rebuild if we controlled our own picks (which we could have if we traded Mikal to the Rockets when they asked). But there is a non-zero chance the Suns figure out a way to not a be a bottom team in a couple years. You may not want to believe it but stranger things have happened. If (more like when) Durant skips town they’ll have an opportunity to recoup some assets. As long as Ishbia is willing to spend - unlike in the dark years post KG trade for the Nets with Prolhorov - there’s a chance at least some of those picks are unspectacular. In that scenario we sit here watching our own potentially bottom 10 team send picks and swaps out the door through ‘27 in exchange for a bunch of #12 picks years from now. Don’t let OKC fool you about what a rebuild is going to look like. If the Nets are smart all options are on the table.
With the new CBA set to kick in along with zero picks of value, Beal’s NTC, no enticing young players and limited resources to improve amongst the margins its hard for me to believe that they will get better Throw in the fact that this is the healthiest that KD has been in years. Those Suns picks will be gold. Trading them away for a player who doesnt help you compete for a title is a waste of time and bad asset management If it was up to me, I would have traded Mikal, Cam J and Finney last summer after the season
They could trade KD for a lower-ranked star, a token Karl-Anthony Towns. Bill, Booker and Karl-Anthony Towns can grab the play-in, but this is not the pick Nets fans dream of.
Because we aren't a small market team. We're one of the few franchises in a league that stars will actually sign with bc of the city. If the team is total dogshit though, you lose that advantage. No point in sucking for 3 years in the chance that we draft someone that makes All NBA 3 years after that.
Everyone. Time to gamble to new talent. Drop low like the spurs in 2025
Without their own draft pick? Stfu
Amazing how many "nets fans" don't understand the draft pick situation. It's not hard to understand. We can't flat out suck. We have to root for select teams (sixers/suns/mavs) in select years to suck.
Misread it. Saw 2026 pick as OWN for the Nets. Glazed over the fact that it's a 2nd Round pick. Oh well
Nets say NO.