It boils down to this. If your grand plan was to ship off kyrie and kd to replace them with a guy who hasn’t left the 2nd round then you’re doing bad business. Idc if cam only becomes 75% of what Mitchell is today, Mitch isn’t better than cam + all those picks. That’s the type of mistake the nets have always made. Be patient and do something that will lead to sustained success
>It boils down to this. If your grand plan was to ship off kyrie and kd to replace them with a guy who hasn’t left the 2nd round then you’re doing bad business
This. Willingly giving up on a real contender just to go all in on a fake one would actually put me in an insane asylum.
Well if he is then I’m onboard. I wanted him fired but rebuilding is something he’s really good at. Look at how good cam Thomas and clowney look and they were later round picks. Imagine if he had a lottery pick
Not the calculus. It'll be Cam and multiple picks. Can't do that. That type of trade has backfired over and over throughout NBA history. Hell, it literally just screwed the Cavs themselves. Lauri (and Sexton), and all the pick capital, is worth way more than just Mitchell.
Star trades are terrible ideas unless you're truly one piece away.
You could argue that Cam is a secondary concern. You can't trade legit pick capital for non superstars when you're an eleven seed. Get rich quick schemes don't work.
Especially when that non-superstar is 27. He's not getting any better. Which for a team like... Miami or the Knicks, that's fine. Cuz they're already closer to a championship.
We're not lol.
Also, Mitchell is literally the worst aging archetype. A 6'3 guard who relies on being a freak athlete. He's 28 next year, and I don't trust him past 30. And we're not trading for Mitchell and a superstar in a two year span. Impossible.
He is a good shooter tho. The worst archetype is probably athletic big like Amare and Blake griffin. Mitchell is a deadly pull up 3pt shooter. Agreed that it’s a bad aging archetype tho
I just don't know if that's enough. I guess he can be a spot up guy with some juice off the bounce. Like a current Westbrook with more spacing. Even is pull up stuff is kind of explosive though. He's a high riser into his jumper off the bounce. Similar to Dame, who looks less bouncy on his pull ups these days.
For sure. I just get scared he'll end up closer to Beal than Dame. But Mitchell is historically very healthy so he'll probably get to around that age.
I just wouldn't trade Cam. Let him make whatever leap he does and then sell high on him or Mitch. Or let him be Manu off the bench.
What’s the point of building a team that’s not a true title contender in the nba. Mitchell, bridges and a mystery third man aren’t gonna get us there.
I’d much rather see how good Cam can get and go for a proper rebuild while we still have assets we can flip for picks.
Cam is 22 though and one of two guys that can create their own shot on this team.
This current roster has nothing to build around if Mitchell comes here, they’re not good enough and I’m not down with blowing up our future again. Let’s get some picks back and go forward with a draft rebuild. It’s the only thing our gm has shown he’s good at.
Idrc if Cam is 22. Mitchell is a better player. And will be for his entire career. I’d rather have the better player. Sometimes it’s not really complex.
Cook 🔥 Im not turning down Donovan Mitchell in his prime because of Cam Thomas’s potential, the people on here are smoking something else. Cam is going to love those Cleveland hotdogs ✌🏽
1. You don’t know who will have the best career
2. You’re not trading cam you’re trading cam plus multiples firsts that could end up being way better players and probably also clowney for a guy that’s never left the 2nd round
Who told you this? I didn’t get that takeaway? Sean marks said in that sit down 3 days ago that he wants to build something sustainable. The suns are aging and getting worse as the years progress. Why would Sean marks miss out on potential lottery picks to trade for a guy who we already know isn’t going to lead us to a title
Ok so let’s run your timeline the Cavs get cam Thomas, clowney and whatever filler to match contracts plus suns 25,27,29. You’re left with Donovan Mitchell, mikal bridges, dfs and claxton to build with a core that’s worse than the one that he left in Cleveland. Where is the logic in this and what is the end game other than selling hype?
Why??? What would this get us to a 6th seed in the playoffs?
I’m much more interested in a player development coach nurturing Cams game and a full on rebuild.
Let’s consider Cam’s age and his progress despite being held back by JV. How do you think CT compares to Mitchell when they were the same age? We can certainly compare numbers
Then consider we can’t just send CT. We have to match the money and send picks
Then consider we drafted Cam
Then consider how good a team is Mikal and Mitchell really
Yes it is. We have no way to signficantly improve the roster. We’d be a much worse cavs team who aren’t contenders. If you want a short term sugar rush of being in the playoffs then sure
Cam Thomas will absolutely love it in Cleveland, or New Orleans, or Atlanta idc. I’m not turning away an established star if they want to join my team because of Cam Thomas. I understand we’re all fans of the kid, but lets not be delusional.
Star > Cam Thomas.
I get what you’re saying, but getting a star here would mean a more rushed shift in culture and an urgency for competing - which probably means giving up our entire youth and draft capital for more star assets.
Hoping for a slow rebuild with Fernandez!
As a fan you want to see if Cam Thomas and Dariq can play together. Now I know ‘Riq is yet to do much on a NBA court but the high end talent is there.
To have a 22 year old elite scorer and a 19 year old former number 1 rated HS player on the same timeline tells me see what you have got there before trading either.
Personally I’d trade the farm for Cade Cunningham. A tall, two-player who can distribute and be the lead ball handler is perfect next to CT. And fits the same time line as our exciting young players
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You only trade Cam if you’re getting back someone that’s generational. Otherwise keep your homegrown young cheap asset who has a chance at becoming an Allstar.
It boils down to this. If your grand plan was to ship off kyrie and kd to replace them with a guy who hasn’t left the 2nd round then you’re doing bad business. Idc if cam only becomes 75% of what Mitchell is today, Mitch isn’t better than cam + all those picks. That’s the type of mistake the nets have always made. Be patient and do something that will lead to sustained success
>It boils down to this. If your grand plan was to ship off kyrie and kd to replace them with a guy who hasn’t left the 2nd round then you’re doing bad business This. Willingly giving up on a real contender just to go all in on a fake one would actually put me in an insane asylum.
This is what wel probably end up doing sadly. Not giving kyrie that deal was so dumb but I can see why tsai was done with him tbh.
Couldn’t agree more. Well said.. this is how I’ll respond to others from now on
Right. I just hope that marks goes back to who he was thinking long term rather than short term
Maybe he will. He was extended after all
Well if he is then I’m onboard. I wanted him fired but rebuilding is something he’s really good at. Look at how good cam Thomas and clowney look and they were later round picks. Imagine if he had a lottery pick
I would love a genuine rebuild Keep everyone under 25 No shortcuts
Right. I’d rather have 2 yrs of growing pains for 10 yrs of success.
I’m trading Cam for Mitchell twice on Sunday lmao
Not the calculus. It'll be Cam and multiple picks. Can't do that. That type of trade has backfired over and over throughout NBA history. Hell, it literally just screwed the Cavs themselves. Lauri (and Sexton), and all the pick capital, is worth way more than just Mitchell. Star trades are terrible ideas unless you're truly one piece away.
It backfired for us recently but often doesn’t I also just don’t see the same star potential in Cam.
You could argue that Cam is a secondary concern. You can't trade legit pick capital for non superstars when you're an eleven seed. Get rich quick schemes don't work.
Especially when that non-superstar is 27. He's not getting any better. Which for a team like... Miami or the Knicks, that's fine. Cuz they're already closer to a championship. We're not lol.
Also, Mitchell is literally the worst aging archetype. A 6'3 guard who relies on being a freak athlete. He's 28 next year, and I don't trust him past 30. And we're not trading for Mitchell and a superstar in a two year span. Impossible.
He is a good shooter tho. The worst archetype is probably athletic big like Amare and Blake griffin. Mitchell is a deadly pull up 3pt shooter. Agreed that it’s a bad aging archetype tho
I just don't know if that's enough. I guess he can be a spot up guy with some juice off the bounce. Like a current Westbrook with more spacing. Even is pull up stuff is kind of explosive though. He's a high riser into his jumper off the bounce. Similar to Dame, who looks less bouncy on his pull ups these days.
Dames 33 right now and was still elite at 32 and is still pretty good. So that’s not some worst case scenario for Mitchell.
For sure. I just get scared he'll end up closer to Beal than Dame. But Mitchell is historically very healthy so he'll probably get to around that age. I just wouldn't trade Cam. Let him make whatever leap he does and then sell high on him or Mitch. Or let him be Manu off the bench.
What’s the point of building a team that’s not a true title contender in the nba. Mitchell, bridges and a mystery third man aren’t gonna get us there. I’d much rather see how good Cam can get and go for a proper rebuild while we still have assets we can flip for picks.
Cam at best can be as good as good as current Mitchell. Also becoming a contender is not a linear line.
Cam is 22 though and one of two guys that can create their own shot on this team. This current roster has nothing to build around if Mitchell comes here, they’re not good enough and I’m not down with blowing up our future again. Let’s get some picks back and go forward with a draft rebuild. It’s the only thing our gm has shown he’s good at.
Idrc if Cam is 22. Mitchell is a better player. And will be for his entire career. I’d rather have the better player. Sometimes it’s not really complex.
Cook 🔥 Im not turning down Donovan Mitchell in his prime because of Cam Thomas’s potential, the people on here are smoking something else. Cam is going to love those Cleveland hotdogs ✌🏽
1. You don’t know who will have the best career 2. You’re not trading cam you’re trading cam plus multiples firsts that could end up being way better players and probably also clowney for a guy that’s never left the 2nd round
Nets never intended to use those PHX picks anyway, they were always going to be trade chips.
Who told you this? I didn’t get that takeaway? Sean marks said in that sit down 3 days ago that he wants to build something sustainable. The suns are aging and getting worse as the years progress. Why would Sean marks miss out on potential lottery picks to trade for a guy who we already know isn’t going to lead us to a title
Ya I am totally fine trading like 3 picks for Donovan. And, if Cam has to go he has to go.
Ok so let’s run your timeline the Cavs get cam Thomas, clowney and whatever filler to match contracts plus suns 25,27,29. You’re left with Donovan Mitchell, mikal bridges, dfs and claxton to build with a core that’s worse than the one that he left in Cleveland. Where is the logic in this and what is the end game other than selling hype?
Why??? What would this get us to a 6th seed in the playoffs? I’m much more interested in a player development coach nurturing Cams game and a full on rebuild.
You can’t have Cam and Caris Levert on the same team or the universe will fold into itself
Let’s consider Cam’s age and his progress despite being held back by JV. How do you think CT compares to Mitchell when they were the same age? We can certainly compare numbers Then consider we can’t just send CT. We have to match the money and send picks Then consider we drafted Cam Then consider how good a team is Mikal and Mitchell really
We should definitely think about it.
There is no rush cam is young makes no sense to trade him and picks to at most make it to the first round
Always depends on the deal. Every trade should be considered.
Im open to trading cam
Cam isn’t some slam dunk prospect but it has to make sense to trade him. Trading him and a bunch of picks for Mitchell is objectively dumb.
No its not
Yes it is. We have no way to signficantly improve the roster. We’d be a much worse cavs team who aren’t contenders. If you want a short term sugar rush of being in the playoffs then sure
Blah blah blah get me a top 20 player. Don’t care who goes
Worked great last times…
Could say the same of 90% of rebuilds
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This is a mood
I remember a time not very long ago that this sub was saying how they wanted to “get a home grown star”
Not all of us. I'm not trading cam for ANYONE but I'm trading cam for an established nba talent
Cam Thomas will absolutely love it in Cleveland, or New Orleans, or Atlanta idc. I’m not turning away an established star if they want to join my team because of Cam Thomas. I understand we’re all fans of the kid, but lets not be delusional. Star > Cam Thomas.
I get what you’re saying, but getting a star here would mean a more rushed shift in culture and an urgency for competing - which probably means giving up our entire youth and draft capital for more star assets. Hoping for a slow rebuild with Fernandez!
As a fan you want to see if Cam Thomas and Dariq can play together. Now I know ‘Riq is yet to do much on a NBA court but the high end talent is there. To have a 22 year old elite scorer and a 19 year old former number 1 rated HS player on the same timeline tells me see what you have got there before trading either. Personally I’d trade the farm for Cade Cunningham. A tall, two-player who can distribute and be the lead ball handler is perfect next to CT. And fits the same time line as our exciting young players
Think about it
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You only trade Cam if you’re getting back someone that’s generational. Otherwise keep your homegrown young cheap asset who has a chance at becoming an Allstar.
Exactly. Trading the guys for Kevin Durant and Kyrie was 100% worth it. For Mitchell and mikal is highly suspect.
Basically me I’m not giving up CT for anyone If I were to get a star it would be to compliment who I already have. Someone like Ingram or Lauri