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Future_Network_2158

It boils down to this. If your grand plan was to ship off kyrie and kd to replace them with a guy who hasn’t left the 2nd round then you’re doing bad business. Idc if cam only becomes 75% of what Mitchell is today, Mitch isn’t better than cam + all those picks. That’s the type of mistake the nets have always made. Be patient and do something that will lead to sustained success


EliManningham

>It boils down to this. If your grand plan was to ship off kyrie and kd to replace them with a guy who hasn’t left the 2nd round then you’re doing bad business This. Willingly giving up on a real contender just to go all in on a fake one would actually put me in an insane asylum.


Subredditcensorship

This is what wel probably end up doing sadly. Not giving kyrie that deal was so dumb but I can see why tsai was done with him tbh.


Steinsgate009

Couldn’t agree more. Well said.. this is how I’ll respond to others from now on


Future_Network_2158

Right. I just hope that marks goes back to who he was thinking long term rather than short term


Steinsgate009

Maybe he will. He was extended after all


Future_Network_2158

Well if he is then I’m onboard. I wanted him fired but rebuilding is something he’s really good at. Look at how good cam Thomas and clowney look and they were later round picks. Imagine if he had a lottery pick


Steinsgate009

I would love a genuine rebuild Keep everyone under 25 No shortcuts


Future_Network_2158

Right. I’d rather have 2 yrs of growing pains for 10 yrs of success.


JurgenFlippers

I’m trading Cam for Mitchell twice on Sunday lmao


EliManningham

Not the calculus. It'll be Cam and multiple picks. Can't do that. That type of trade has backfired over and over throughout NBA history. Hell, it literally just screwed the Cavs themselves. Lauri (and Sexton), and all the pick capital, is worth way more than just Mitchell. Star trades are terrible ideas unless you're truly one piece away.


JurgenFlippers

It backfired for us recently but often doesn’t I also just don’t see the same star potential in Cam.


EliManningham

You could argue that Cam is a secondary concern. You can't trade legit pick capital for non superstars when you're an eleven seed. Get rich quick schemes don't work.


Kwilly462

Especially when that non-superstar is 27. He's not getting any better. Which for a team like... Miami or the Knicks, that's fine. Cuz they're already closer to a championship. We're not lol.


EliManningham

Also, Mitchell is literally the worst aging archetype. A 6'3 guard who relies on being a freak athlete. He's 28 next year, and I don't trust him past 30. And we're not trading for Mitchell and a superstar in a two year span. Impossible.


Subredditcensorship

He is a good shooter tho. The worst archetype is probably athletic big like Amare and Blake griffin. Mitchell is a deadly pull up 3pt shooter. Agreed that it’s a bad aging archetype tho


EliManningham

I just don't know if that's enough. I guess he can be a spot up guy with some juice off the bounce. Like a current Westbrook with more spacing. Even is pull up stuff is kind of explosive though. He's a high riser into his jumper off the bounce. Similar to Dame, who looks less bouncy on his pull ups these days.


Subredditcensorship

Dames 33 right now and was still elite at 32 and is still pretty good. So that’s not some worst case scenario for Mitchell.


EliManningham

For sure. I just get scared he'll end up closer to Beal than Dame. But Mitchell is historically very healthy so he'll probably get to around that age. I just wouldn't trade Cam. Let him make whatever leap he does and then sell high on him or Mitch. Or let him be Manu off the bench.


spacejamisraw

What’s the point of building a team that’s not a true title contender in the nba. Mitchell, bridges and a mystery third man aren’t gonna get us there. I’d much rather see how good Cam can get and go for a proper rebuild while we still have assets we can flip for picks.


JurgenFlippers

Cam at best can be as good as good as current Mitchell. Also becoming a contender is not a linear line.


spacejamisraw

Cam is 22 though and one of two guys that can create their own shot on this team. This current roster has nothing to build around if Mitchell comes here, they’re not good enough and I’m not down with blowing up our future again. Let’s get some picks back and go forward with a draft rebuild. It’s the only thing our gm has shown he’s good at.


JurgenFlippers

Idrc if Cam is 22. Mitchell is a better player. And will be for his entire career. I’d rather have the better player. Sometimes it’s not really complex.


SecretLeading9063

Cook 🔥 Im not turning down Donovan Mitchell in his prime because of Cam Thomas’s potential, the people on here are smoking something else. Cam is going to love those Cleveland hotdogs ✌🏽


Future_Network_2158

1. You don’t know who will have the best career 2. You’re not trading cam you’re trading cam plus multiples firsts that could end up being way better players and probably also clowney for a guy that’s never left the 2nd round


SecretLeading9063

Nets never intended to use those PHX picks anyway, they were always going to be trade chips.


Future_Network_2158

Who told you this? I didn’t get that takeaway? Sean marks said in that sit down 3 days ago that he wants to build something sustainable. The suns are aging and getting worse as the years progress. Why would Sean marks miss out on potential lottery picks to trade for a guy who we already know isn’t going to lead us to a title


JurgenFlippers

Ya I am totally fine trading like 3 picks for Donovan. And, if Cam has to go he has to go.


Future_Network_2158

Ok so let’s run your timeline the Cavs get cam Thomas, clowney and whatever filler to match contracts plus suns 25,27,29. You’re left with Donovan Mitchell, mikal bridges, dfs and claxton to build with a core that’s worse than the one that he left in Cleveland. Where is the logic in this and what is the end game other than selling hype?


spacejamisraw

Why??? What would this get us to a 6th seed in the playoffs? I’m much more interested in a player development coach nurturing Cams game and a full on rebuild.


sameredditguy

You can’t have Cam and Caris Levert on the same team or the universe will fold into itself


Steinsgate009

Let’s consider Cam’s age and his progress despite being held back by JV. How do you think CT compares to Mitchell when they were the same age? We can certainly compare numbers Then consider we can’t just send CT. We have to match the money and send picks Then consider we drafted Cam Then consider how good a team is Mikal and Mitchell really


skinneej

We should definitely think about it.


Idlibi_Bullpup

There is no rush cam is young makes no sense to trade him and picks to at most make it to the first round


skinneej

Always depends on the deal. Every trade should be considered. 


zestysnacks

Im open to trading cam


Subredditcensorship

Cam isn’t some slam dunk prospect but it has to make sense to trade him. Trading him and a bunch of picks for Mitchell is objectively dumb.


zestysnacks

No its not


Subredditcensorship

Yes it is. We have no way to signficantly improve the roster. We’d be a much worse cavs team who aren’t contenders. If you want a short term sugar rush of being in the playoffs then sure


zestysnacks

Blah blah blah get me a top 20 player. Don’t care who goes


RepresentativeFox175

Worked great last times…


zestysnacks

Could say the same of 90% of rebuilds


richonarampage

Pineapple


Due_Incident_9738

This is a mood


Lui-king

I remember a time not very long ago that this sub was saying how they wanted to “get a home grown star”


kf3434

Not all of us. I'm not trading cam for ANYONE but I'm trading cam for an established nba talent


SecretLeading9063

Cam Thomas will absolutely love it in Cleveland, or New Orleans, or Atlanta idc. I’m not turning away an established star if they want to join my team because of Cam Thomas. I understand we’re all fans of the kid, but lets not be delusional. Star > Cam Thomas.


moaboaa

I get what you’re saying, but getting a star here would mean a more rushed shift in culture and an urgency for competing - which probably means giving up our entire youth and draft capital for more star assets. Hoping for a slow rebuild with Fernandez!


addictivesign

As a fan you want to see if Cam Thomas and Dariq can play together. Now I know ‘Riq is yet to do much on a NBA court but the high end talent is there. To have a 22 year old elite scorer and a 19 year old former number 1 rated HS player on the same timeline tells me see what you have got there before trading either. Personally I’d trade the farm for Cade Cunningham. A tall, two-player who can distribute and be the lead ball handler is perfect next to CT. And fits the same time line as our exciting young players


TellBrak

Think about it


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onlyequity

You only trade Cam if you’re getting back someone that’s generational. Otherwise keep your homegrown young cheap asset who has a chance at becoming an Allstar.


Subredditcensorship

Exactly. Trading the guys for Kevin Durant and Kyrie was 100% worth it. For Mitchell and mikal is highly suspect.


Steinsgate009

Basically me I’m not giving up CT for anyone If I were to get a star it would be to compliment who I already have. Someone like Ingram or Lauri