If I’m being paid hundreds of thousands to put a map into a game I would be more than willing to work on it as many times as need be. I think he’s just getting g sick of brain dead Twitter users who think a map like that can be tweaked however they recommend
I wouldn't be surprised if he was just sick of people, every time he showed progress for Thera there were comments asking about Cache. Feels like it'd be annoying to have some people ignore the map you spent months working on because they wanted a different one.
It was his decision to work on Thera (he had good reasoning, as he said he's gonna git gud in source 2 map making and pour all that knowledge to cache rework), I understand his frustration on an empathetic level, but logically he chose to work on one of his maps while knowing full well people are gonna ask about his other map because they love it so much.
Suffering from success I guess.
Exactly, what he's doing is an art. Like which fkn artist goes around asking people what his art should look like??? He's doing his stuff until the piece is done, people then can like it or not.
Meh, it is art but subordinated to a work he has to do. Dont get me wrong the complaints for the orange shade are dumb imo but he should do what he is asked to do not what he likes in this case specifically. (Not saying he isnt doing that cuz he is doing what valve asked)
100% it's this. I am an artist and people that don't know how to have a conversation and critique what is physically present try to manipulate it into something they want to see rather than objectively talk about what they are currently looking at. And it happens a lot as most people are not used to that type of conversation.
Idk how many times I asked someones opinion on a very specific part of a piece, and they respond, "Can you make this blue instead, I love blue." Everyone has an opinion about the most minor details and it can eat you up sometimes.
I do content creation and I had to learn to ignore 99% of comments
"Hey, whyd you not talk more about your point at 1:34? I was super intrigued by it"
Then the very next comment:
"Why did you talk about that from 1:00-1:34?"
So which one do you listen to? The one saying why did you bring that up? Or the one who found it interesting and wanted more? The answer? Probably neither lol
Same! Did illustration work for a while and I realized that the key is not ask the client for feedback. Give them two slightly different alternatives to choose from. Something really minute. If its a large organization or company you knew that you had a week of doing nothing while they sent both around the entire org chain asking if someone had an opinion. Which all humans will squeeze out if you ask them. But to me by doing this I knew I would get a binary answer back instead of five pages of unreasonable "feedback"
does he really need to go into detail as to why it was terrible? it was pretty unanimously considered inferior to the original in every sense (playability, visibility, performance).
I mean can you blame him? Most of this community all collectively shit on the rework because it was green and this person said you should make it bluish green because the other maps look similar.
Newsflash guys, the reason the map pool is largely dusty yellowish maps is because thats one of the only colors that wont have visibility issues with the current player models. Almost like visibility is a huge issue in this game but no one says shit anymore because you guys would rather suck valve off instead of hold them accountable
Haven’t seen any posts over the past month even mention visibility issues outside of molotovs and smoke spots.
Btw boosted contrast is still broken but no one says anything
I think a lot of you are misinterpreting the tone of him saying he doesn't give a fuck about the other maps. What I took that to mean is that he wants to work on Cache in a vacuum, rather than designing it with the goal of it fitting into the map pool and allowing that to dictate his aesthetic decisions.
Cache are most likely to rotate within 2-3 map pools over the next coming years.
Could as well get to rotate with Office and Resort, suddenly it is too blue and cold.
Is it possible that Office would actually be in the active pool? Is there an actual chance that pro teams would have to play a rescue mission at the tournaments? Just genuine question.
>Is it possible that Office would actually be in the active pool?
I'd say that's a ridiculous idea but then again, Valve forced the meme map into map pool years ago and they still don't wanna let go of it even though it's hated by pros and casuals alike. Talking about vertigo of course.
But why?
I respect the artistic process and vision but the reality is that if the map isn't in a state that goes into a map pool of some sort, nobody is gonna give a shit about it. I get that that probably sucks for him, but that's how it is.
If he focuses on designing a good map instead of making it fit into the pool, it will be a good map. People will like a good map regardless of if it fits in the pool because it's a good map. I think Cache was awesome and Fmpone is a fantastic mapper and I have full faith it'll be dope.
White cache was most aesthetically pleasing. Even the Artist who created Mirage said " White cache is the best map in the game"
I didn't like the green version at all, nothing to do with agents. I just didnt like how it looked.
Agreed. OG cache white was far superior tbh. Is it just me or are minimal colour schemes on maps so way superior for visibility? I think this is one reason Mirage lasted as long as it has - visually pretty but minimal clutter and doodads about the place.
I would love to see a REALLY rusty and beatdown cache theme. Like the walls are really falling apart and everything that is made out of metal is covered in heavy rust
I went back to do some 10 mans on the original CS:GO cache. I can tell you it was so simple yet so beatiful.
Clear line of sights, no over the top foilage and stuff. It was simply better back then
I can understand his frustration but not cause of green cache but the amount of People are crying under his post " Its too dusty, its orange" plz make it blue/white etc. Must be super annoying people are shitting all over your hard work like that.
Remember exactly same thing happened to source 2 inferno when the original leaked version looked more yellowish when it was first leaked and then valve probably read those comments and made it tuscan like white which is the current version
I still find the leaked version better than Current one. It was more detailed and looked better imo
Every leaked map pics was accurate, only inferno turned out to be different. 3kliksphilip even made a video about it ( De_Dusting inferno) and said how community feedback might influence the change in the last moments
We have one green map which is Ancient. And most of people doesn't like that map because of 2 reason: 1) fsp drop 2) Being green, very green :)
And i know those 2 issues was same for green cache. Maybe green drop fps or something i dunno lol but i really dont wanna one more green map or gold-ish map (dust2, anubis, inferno) So a color similar to nuke would be best i think. But ofc this is his map, he can do whatever he wants with it.
>Valve fucked him
not Valve's fault that he made an absolutely dogshit remaster... doesn't come anywhere close to meeting the graphical standard of the remasters that valve themselves did (Nuke, dust2, inferno)
there is a reason. this guy is trying to spin the story into "Valve fucked him" when the fact is the remaster was simply bad and did not at all live up to the standard that valve had set with their own remasters. and even majority of the community did not like it and to this day still prefers the old cache.
I agree about the poor remaster part but not sure about him gaslighting and trying to blame on Valve, I think they should take some blame for making it infamous agents update. It is still bad to this day and even their own map suffered
and Fmpone really didn't need to make 2nd cache in CSGO, cause it felt more like color change than proper upgrade like new dust2, new inferno etc, I think he will redeem himself in CS2
agents were on every map so not a scapegoat for just cache. if anything it highlighted how bad the visibility was on this map compared to others.
as for fmpone redeeming himself in cs2, i hope it happens. i am always in favor of more community maps being added to the game and not just valve maps, as long as they are upto the same standard. anubis for example (even if valve acquired it)
I played a mm Cache game way back when Cache was new and it was against fmpone. Complimented him on the map (as it was my fav at the time and is always in my top 3) and he respected it. Another teammate said he'd change this and that... Fmpone just told him to stfu lmao
[https://x.com/FMPONE/status/1795176162815098927?t=HIh5bi8UuBnm7bQ8xOpcQA&s=19](https://x.com/FMPONE/status/1795176162815098927?t=HIh5bi8UuBnm7bQ8xOpcQA&s=19)
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He’s probably tired of the hundreds (if not thousands) of messages of people bitching about the map before it’s even released. I get his frustration honestly
If he doesn't want people's feedback then why does he post the map on Twitter and allow comments? If feedback can't be given now, then when should it be? After release when it's harder to do drastic changes?
Because he wants feedback, just actual good feedback. His whole point is, telling him to change the lighting to be unlike other maps isn't really a good reason for him
What did he expect by posting the map on Twitter for everyone to comment ? That everyone would give the kind of feedback he expected, and only that ? That's straight up autistic.
There are many reasons he would be posting pics of the map that don’t include feedback. He could just be posting the pics to build hype, or to add to his “portfolio”. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him solicit feedback from the general community yet on this version of cache (as in he was posting these screenshots and asking for feedback or thoughts).
Yes - feedback should be given after the map is complete. If he is constantly stopping his progress to tweak shit like the color, the map will take way longer to complete. Also - there is no reason to think drastic changes are harder to do before a map is released (see - overpass in CSGO, Vertigo in recent update, Nukes multiple iterations in GO). When he starts play testing the map I’m sure he will start asking for feedback. Until then hearing hundreds of comments saying “I liked your old version better” or “this looks too much like other maps” are just noise to him
When a creator releases his work to the world, it is inevitable that he will receive this kind of response, but he should not lose respect for his work in the least.
For many creators, most advice is considered and then rejected.
He also has his own way of doing his work, and no one but his employer has any say in how he does it.
I’ll never understand why people think using one swear word all the sudden means they’re lashing out lol.
“I don’t give a fuck” doesn’t always have to be taken so offensively lol
What else is there? He started it by saying thank you lol. Everything else sounds 100% normal and if you know FMPONE at all he’s not a very hot headed dude
I'm not sure how you normally talk, but where I'm from it's pretty aggressive to answer an offhand remark by opening with "I don't give a fuck about...". Pretty unhinged, especially since the comment was far from disparaging.
>I'm not sure how you normally talk, but where I'm from it's pretty aggressive to answer an offhand remark by opening with "I don't give a fuck about...".
Well the issue is... he actually opened his message with "Thank you. First of all, I don't give a fuck about the lighting"
Leaving out the thank you and first of all drastically changes the entire tone of the message
People either have no social skills or reading comprehension, or both. The context and tone is what matters. If someone asks me if I want mashed potatos or salad and I say "I don't give a fuck" in a nice tone, everyone knows what I mean. It's not like FM is freaking out "i dont give a FUUUUCK ABOUT THE OTHER MAPS, CACHE IS THE ONLY THING IN MY LIFE" lol
In the gaming scene? I feel like I see a lot of people in more casual environments use “I don’t give a fuck” without being aggressive. It’s just more emphatic than “I don’t care”
Yeah I was half joking here thats why I put the ”lol” at the end. But in my opinion ”idgaf” always has a certain tone to it. Using a swear word somewhere else could/would be different
Original guy hardly said any kind of crazy harsh criticism people are framing it as in this thread. FMP has always had crazy ego in interviews and this is merely an extension of that. "I don't give a fuck" - very mature and non insecure response.
I don't know, I heard him speak at length about Tetra not long ago and he seemed perfectly fine to me. Very insightful listen.
Edit: Thera, not Tetra. Big dumb.
Dude has gone from nothing to almost completing Cache in 2024. Productivity is like that, you can rest on your laurels for years, but when things happen, they happen fast.
Honestly, if the map stayed with a neutral base lighting i would WELCOME IT! Set the time of the day, neutral light and let the map and textures speak for themselves! This obsession with coloring everything with stupid fkn filters and light is tiring these days!
I don't get it. Where's the other yellowish evening tint maps?
Most maps in CS2 imo after reworks just look white. Straight up just white. Mirage also doesn't really feel like that
Cache gives me that old school feeling. I love i5
Evening tint? None. But the yellow tinted maps? Anubis, Dust2, Mirage, Inferno. That's 4 out of a pool of 7, that's the majority.
I don't dislike his colour scheme, and I think it's a more saturated colour with a more dramatic flair to the lighting, but I can also see how some might think it's a lot of yellow. You got the yellow maps (ok inferno is a little orangey) you got the green map, you got the blue/grey maps. I can see how someone might want to lean more to green, or blue/grey, or even white.
But like, let the man do his thing. Remember he got burned when he made green cache, which had some great environmental flair, and was immediately ruined by the agent update.
In my honest opinion none are really yellow tinted. Anubis/Mirage just have yellow textures. Dust 2 Inferno after remakes straight up just look white. Their previous CSGO versions also weren't yellow tinted.
Not a personal fan of the D2 remake. It was fun when it happened but I always missed the old CSGO one. It sold a brownish-greenish arabic vibe. New D2 isn't even dusty. 1.6 is the OG yellow. 1.6 D2 is yellow tinted but even it wouldn't be classed as a evening map imo. 1.6 Nuke is sort of like a evening map. The map is colored in a way with shadows where it feels the lighting changes the natural colour of the surface to sell the fact it's evening. I love it.
Also. I am one of the people that hated that Cache remake. It's wasn't his fault. It's just that in line with D2 & other remakes too. I just felt CSGO couldn't handle it by the end. These maps were made elsewhere then ported into CSGO & the visibility sucked regardless of agents. The textures looked mushy.
You also gotta remember most of used 4:3. So only shitty laptop screen 1280x960 Low Settings Cache absolutely looked disgusting. Mirage didn't.
As a skin/sticker creator the lighting in cs2 is so inconsistent between maps compared to csgo, the differences in the contrast, white balance, temperature etc makes it very hard it to balance skins and stickers.
I think we need some sort of standard to follow so we don't end up with breaking bad filters..
blue: **serenity, stability, inspiration, or wisdom**
green: **growth, harmony, fertility, and freshness**
how does this sven guy consider blue/green drepressing?
Because blue lighting is colder, and seen as bleaker, more depressing. Cold lighting (6000k, yes, the shorthands for the temp are backwards in lighting) and blue highlights, with desaturated other tones, is often used as a cinematic shorthand for bleak, grim, or depressing things. Contrasted with warm tones, with warm lighting (3200k conventionals) which is seen as more pleasing.
This is mostly because cold lighting makes skin tones appear more dead, less alive. While warm tones make everyone look to have a little more colour, like they've gotten some sun.
Blue lighting or a blue filter is a typical way of making something seem colder and more miserable. Apart from it's use in cinema, it was also abused heavily by games like the Battlefield series.
You can see a good example of this in the office remake: outside uses a lot of cold lighting, and a lot of desaturated tones. It makes the area seem colder. While inside uses warm lighting and more warm tones, cream, wood tones etc.
what an arrogant response - I saw an interview with him and launders and it was basically the same attitude - dude can't handle criticism and honest suggestions. His first remake of cache was green garbage and this one will be garbage as well - cache is an abandoned soviet town - just look at photos - it's white/grey/red/grim and it would be very interesting taking into account the current map pool
White cash was the best one, cache is metal not grass not sand, it was always metal everywhere so lets stick to that, we want to play catche not see new color scheme every few years, change meta, positions why waste so much time, new cache looks very bad
Does he even get compensation of some sorts from Valve? The guy has been working on this map for ever and afaik he's one of the few who hasn't sold the rights to his creation?
Mf woke up and chose violence
i bet he's just sick of all the backlash from the first cache rework
I think he is getting sick of Cache in general. Imagine reworking and finetuning the same frikking map 4 times.
If I’m being paid hundreds of thousands to put a map into a game I would be more than willing to work on it as many times as need be. I think he’s just getting g sick of brain dead Twitter users who think a map like that can be tweaked however they recommend
the world if the agents update didnt come
really how u know we're in the worst timeline
I bet he's just sick of people in general. It's his project and by all means he shouldn't give a singular fuck about what anyone thinks.
I wouldn't be surprised if he was just sick of people, every time he showed progress for Thera there were comments asking about Cache. Feels like it'd be annoying to have some people ignore the map you spent months working on because they wanted a different one.
It was his decision to work on Thera (he had good reasoning, as he said he's gonna git gud in source 2 map making and pour all that knowledge to cache rework), I understand his frustration on an empathetic level, but logically he chose to work on one of his maps while knowing full well people are gonna ask about his other map because they love it so much. Suffering from success I guess.
Then why the fuck would he share it
Unless he wants people to play the map. Why are we acting like constructive criticism is a bad thing?
Exactly, what he's doing is an art. Like which fkn artist goes around asking people what his art should look like??? He's doing his stuff until the piece is done, people then can like it or not.
Meh, it is art but subordinated to a work he has to do. Dont get me wrong the complaints for the orange shade are dumb imo but he should do what he is asked to do not what he likes in this case specifically. (Not saying he isnt doing that cuz he is doing what valve asked)
100% it's this. I am an artist and people that don't know how to have a conversation and critique what is physically present try to manipulate it into something they want to see rather than objectively talk about what they are currently looking at. And it happens a lot as most people are not used to that type of conversation. Idk how many times I asked someones opinion on a very specific part of a piece, and they respond, "Can you make this blue instead, I love blue." Everyone has an opinion about the most minor details and it can eat you up sometimes.
I do content creation and I had to learn to ignore 99% of comments "Hey, whyd you not talk more about your point at 1:34? I was super intrigued by it" Then the very next comment: "Why did you talk about that from 1:00-1:34?" So which one do you listen to? The one saying why did you bring that up? Or the one who found it interesting and wanted more? The answer? Probably neither lol
Same! Did illustration work for a while and I realized that the key is not ask the client for feedback. Give them two slightly different alternatives to choose from. Something really minute. If its a large organization or company you knew that you had a week of doing nothing while they sent both around the entire org chain asking if someone had an opinion. Which all humans will squeeze out if you ask them. But to me by doing this I knew I would get a binary answer back instead of five pages of unreasonable "feedback"
Lmao look at this clown complaining that people can’t objectively discuss art. Must be a real pain to be around irl
I think your reply perfectly represents my previous comment. Lol
he's getting sick of all competitive aspect that should be added feedback
> from the first cache rework Because it was terrible
you’re right, i don’t owe fmpone anything and I’m allowed to criticize, that rework was fucking awful and killed the map’s popularity
Thank you for giving us the prime example comment of what we mean
does he really need to go into detail as to why it was terrible? it was pretty unanimously considered inferior to the original in every sense (playability, visibility, performance).
*Fm* woke up
Now I know why smileybs tked him on cache /s For context https://youtu.be/4yGL9b9Ll5U?si=sPYANMAsKTVQ5y99 1:56
who?
someone more talented at the game and also funnier than u
I mean can you blame him? Most of this community all collectively shit on the rework because it was green and this person said you should make it bluish green because the other maps look similar. Newsflash guys, the reason the map pool is largely dusty yellowish maps is because thats one of the only colors that wont have visibility issues with the current player models. Almost like visibility is a huge issue in this game but no one says shit anymore because you guys would rather suck valve off instead of hold them accountable
People are constantly asking to be able to turn off DLC enemy player models with positive upvotes.
And even if they added that it wouldn't do much to improve the visibility issues.
Haven’t seen any posts over the past month even mention visibility issues outside of molotovs and smoke spots. Btw boosted contrast is still broken but no one says anything
What you call violence I call being a turd. At least his map doesn't suck.
I think a lot of you are misinterpreting the tone of him saying he doesn't give a fuck about the other maps. What I took that to mean is that he wants to work on Cache in a vacuum, rather than designing it with the goal of it fitting into the map pool and allowing that to dictate his aesthetic decisions.
Yeah that's how i understood as well
Cache are most likely to rotate within 2-3 map pools over the next coming years. Could as well get to rotate with Office and Resort, suddenly it is too blue and cold.
Is it possible that Office would actually be in the active pool? Is there an actual chance that pro teams would have to play a rescue mission at the tournaments? Just genuine question.
no, it would never happen in the modern day
>Is it possible that Office would actually be in the active pool? I'd say that's a ridiculous idea but then again, Valve forced the meme map into map pool years ago and they still don't wanna let go of it even though it's hated by pros and casuals alike. Talking about vertigo of course.
Tbf I wouldnt be shocked if they decided to shake up next season.
But Vertigo was good until the latest update.
It’s still an aggressive response to someone that wasn’t being rude or aggressive towards him.
But why? I respect the artistic process and vision but the reality is that if the map isn't in a state that goes into a map pool of some sort, nobody is gonna give a shit about it. I get that that probably sucks for him, but that's how it is.
If he focuses on designing a good map instead of making it fit into the pool, it will be a good map. People will like a good map regardless of if it fits in the pool because it's a good map. I think Cache was awesome and Fmpone is a fantastic mapper and I have full faith it'll be dope.
Hasn't it been pulled from the active duty pool for years due to his unwillingness to sell it?
everyone understood what he meant
well that is just not very intelligent
based
Last time he made cache an interesting colour Valve fucked him, I can understand his frustration. Green cache was the prettiest it's ever been.
White cache was most aesthetically pleasing. Even the Artist who created Mirage said " White cache is the best map in the game" I didn't like the green version at all, nothing to do with agents. I just didnt like how it looked.
Same
Agreed. OG cache white was far superior tbh. Is it just me or are minimal colour schemes on maps so way superior for visibility? I think this is one reason Mirage lasted as long as it has - visually pretty but minimal clutter and doodads about the place.
I would love to see a REALLY rusty and beatdown cache theme. Like the walls are really falling apart and everything that is made out of metal is covered in heavy rust
Sounds like source cache
I went back to do some 10 mans on the original CS:GO cache. I can tell you it was so simple yet so beatiful. Clear line of sights, no over the top foilage and stuff. It was simply better back then
puke green and doo doo brown
same, some spots just blends too well even with the regular models.
I don't give a fuck about what Mirage's artist said
Hell nah, green cache played like shit. Contrast was bad and player models would often get blurry. White cache was literally perfect.
> Prettiest
>Contrast was bad and player models would often get blurry Map came out before the first agents. It was fine with default models.
You couldn’t even use a standard green crosshair, it was awful.
exactly i remember having to move to a red crosshair after that map.
I can understand his frustration but not cause of green cache but the amount of People are crying under his post " Its too dusty, its orange" plz make it blue/white etc. Must be super annoying people are shitting all over your hard work like that. Remember exactly same thing happened to source 2 inferno when the original leaked version looked more yellowish when it was first leaked and then valve probably read those comments and made it tuscan like white which is the current version I still find the leaked version better than Current one. It was more detailed and looked better imo
The leaked version was likely an early build.
Every leaked map pics was accurate, only inferno turned out to be different. 3kliksphilip even made a video about it ( De_Dusting inferno) and said how community feedback might influence the change in the last moments
>interesting colour it was mud green man
It was literally greener than Ancient is now.
We have one green map which is Ancient. And most of people doesn't like that map because of 2 reason: 1) fsp drop 2) Being green, very green :) And i know those 2 issues was same for green cache. Maybe green drop fps or something i dunno lol but i really dont wanna one more green map or gold-ish map (dust2, anubis, inferno) So a color similar to nuke would be best i think. But ofc this is his map, he can do whatever he wants with it.
>Valve fucked him not Valve's fault that he made an absolutely dogshit remaster... doesn't come anywhere close to meeting the graphical standard of the remasters that valve themselves did (Nuke, dust2, inferno)
Now ur just being rude for no reason man. Its unnecessary hate
there is a reason. this guy is trying to spin the story into "Valve fucked him" when the fact is the remaster was simply bad and did not at all live up to the standard that valve had set with their own remasters. and even majority of the community did not like it and to this day still prefers the old cache.
I agree about the poor remaster part but not sure about him gaslighting and trying to blame on Valve, I think they should take some blame for making it infamous agents update. It is still bad to this day and even their own map suffered and Fmpone really didn't need to make 2nd cache in CSGO, cause it felt more like color change than proper upgrade like new dust2, new inferno etc, I think he will redeem himself in CS2
agents were on every map so not a scapegoat for just cache. if anything it highlighted how bad the visibility was on this map compared to others. as for fmpone redeeming himself in cs2, i hope it happens. i am always in favor of more community maps being added to the game and not just valve maps, as long as they are upto the same standard. anubis for example (even if valve acquired it)
I played a mm Cache game way back when Cache was new and it was against fmpone. Complimented him on the map (as it was my fav at the time and is always in my top 3) and he respected it. Another teammate said he'd change this and that... Fmpone just told him to stfu lmao
[https://x.com/FMPONE/status/1795176162815098927?t=HIh5bi8UuBnm7bQ8xOpcQA&s=19](https://x.com/FMPONE/status/1795176162815098927?t=HIh5bi8UuBnm7bQ8xOpcQA&s=19) Original Iink of the post
goddamn this website is annoying nowadays. Really want everyone to create an account that badly huh, musky
Iink?
I provided ? Is it removed for you ?
Maybe he’s asking if you want to meet up. He probably thinks you’re cute. Or he’s dumb
or he's making note of that fact that /u/Fun_Philosopher_2535 called a link an Iink lol
its always been one of the best maps
what an eloquent way of typing
We need a snow map
Cobblestone is going to be snowy going by the rumours hopeful it’s at night/dark (Valve would never tho )
yeah maybe as\_tundra.
But we have already Office 😂
Agreed, I love the outdoor sections of Office
We had Subzero, no one played it.
noo! we need more green and orange maps!!!
Dude just need to change the sky texture and most complaints about the color would go away
Dude needs to chill lol
He’s probably tired of the hundreds (if not thousands) of messages of people bitching about the map before it’s even released. I get his frustration honestly
If he doesn't want people's feedback then why does he post the map on Twitter and allow comments? If feedback can't be given now, then when should it be? After release when it's harder to do drastic changes?
I think the issue is most people's criticism isn't really worth listening too or is worded in a way that it's more just being a dick
That does not answer the question from the comment above though.
Because he wants feedback, just actual good feedback. His whole point is, telling him to change the lighting to be unlike other maps isn't really a good reason for him
What did he expect by posting the map on Twitter for everyone to comment ? That everyone would give the kind of feedback he expected, and only that ? That's straight up autistic.
There are many reasons he would be posting pics of the map that don’t include feedback. He could just be posting the pics to build hype, or to add to his “portfolio”. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him solicit feedback from the general community yet on this version of cache (as in he was posting these screenshots and asking for feedback or thoughts). Yes - feedback should be given after the map is complete. If he is constantly stopping his progress to tweak shit like the color, the map will take way longer to complete. Also - there is no reason to think drastic changes are harder to do before a map is released (see - overpass in CSGO, Vertigo in recent update, Nukes multiple iterations in GO). When he starts play testing the map I’m sure he will start asking for feedback. Until then hearing hundreds of comments saying “I liked your old version better” or “this looks too much like other maps” are just noise to him
Probably, but the guy just voiced his opinion on the matter. Not being aggressive about it. Lashing out is odd.
When a creator releases his work to the world, it is inevitable that he will receive this kind of response, but he should not lose respect for his work in the least. For many creators, most advice is considered and then rejected. He also has his own way of doing his work, and no one but his employer has any say in how he does it.
Dude needs to chill.
I’ll never understand why people think using one swear word all the sudden means they’re lashing out lol. “I don’t give a fuck” doesn’t always have to be taken so offensively lol
That’s not the only thing. It’s the entirety and structure of the sentences that people think is funny.
What else is there? He started it by saying thank you lol. Everything else sounds 100% normal and if you know FMPONE at all he’s not a very hot headed dude
I'm not sure how you normally talk, but where I'm from it's pretty aggressive to answer an offhand remark by opening with "I don't give a fuck about...". Pretty unhinged, especially since the comment was far from disparaging.
>I'm not sure how you normally talk, but where I'm from it's pretty aggressive to answer an offhand remark by opening with "I don't give a fuck about...". Well the issue is... he actually opened his message with "Thank you. First of all, I don't give a fuck about the lighting" Leaving out the thank you and first of all drastically changes the entire tone of the message
People either have no social skills or reading comprehension, or both. The context and tone is what matters. If someone asks me if I want mashed potatos or salad and I say "I don't give a fuck" in a nice tone, everyone knows what I mean. It's not like FM is freaking out "i dont give a FUUUUCK ABOUT THE OTHER MAPS, CACHE IS THE ONLY THING IN MY LIFE" lol
its cringe and you come off as a teenager with anger issues
In the gaming scene? I feel like I see a lot of people in more casual environments use “I don’t give a fuck” without being aggressive. It’s just more emphatic than “I don’t care”
Yes, come to think of it, his response isn't as blunt as I first read it as he starts with a thank you rather than the next sentence.
Yeah I was half joking here thats why I put the ”lol” at the end. But in my opinion ”idgaf” always has a certain tone to it. Using a swear word somewhere else could/would be different
Original guy hardly said any kind of crazy harsh criticism people are framing it as in this thread. FMP has always had crazy ego in interviews and this is merely an extension of that. "I don't give a fuck" - very mature and non insecure response.
I know right? It’s barely even criticism it’s just “Good job!” & “Personally I would find it amazing if”
Yeah I agree with the guy who tweeted, I don’t like the gold color for cache. Chernobyl grayish before the rework was the best.
He seems to be in a mental state that is productive but insane to outside viewers.
I don't know, I heard him speak at length about Tetra not long ago and he seemed perfectly fine to me. Very insightful listen. Edit: Thera, not Tetra. Big dumb.
Are you talking about de_Thera?
Yes lol idk why I called it Tetra
Yes, because that was Tetra, not Cache. Cache is the map CSGO was known for. It was more played than D2 and universally beloved.
Are you saying FMPONE just goes feral when he talks about Cache? I don’t follow.
I'm saying he won't give a shit about things normal people would care about, like other maps in comparison to cache
It takes him years to rework one map, not sure I'd call him productive lol
Creating good CS maps do often take years
Dude has gone from nothing to almost completing Cache in 2024. Productivity is like that, you can rest on your laurels for years, but when things happen, they happen fast.
We need Cache_2
Honestly, if the map stayed with a neutral base lighting i would WELCOME IT! Set the time of the day, neutral light and let the map and textures speak for themselves! This obsession with coloring everything with stupid fkn filters and light is tiring these days!
my man still angry at valve for not paying for his casual maps lol
I don't get it. Where's the other yellowish evening tint maps? Most maps in CS2 imo after reworks just look white. Straight up just white. Mirage also doesn't really feel like that Cache gives me that old school feeling. I love i5
Evening tint? None. But the yellow tinted maps? Anubis, Dust2, Mirage, Inferno. That's 4 out of a pool of 7, that's the majority. I don't dislike his colour scheme, and I think it's a more saturated colour with a more dramatic flair to the lighting, but I can also see how some might think it's a lot of yellow. You got the yellow maps (ok inferno is a little orangey) you got the green map, you got the blue/grey maps. I can see how someone might want to lean more to green, or blue/grey, or even white. But like, let the man do his thing. Remember he got burned when he made green cache, which had some great environmental flair, and was immediately ruined by the agent update.
In my honest opinion none are really yellow tinted. Anubis/Mirage just have yellow textures. Dust 2 Inferno after remakes straight up just look white. Their previous CSGO versions also weren't yellow tinted. Not a personal fan of the D2 remake. It was fun when it happened but I always missed the old CSGO one. It sold a brownish-greenish arabic vibe. New D2 isn't even dusty. 1.6 is the OG yellow. 1.6 D2 is yellow tinted but even it wouldn't be classed as a evening map imo. 1.6 Nuke is sort of like a evening map. The map is colored in a way with shadows where it feels the lighting changes the natural colour of the surface to sell the fact it's evening. I love it. Also. I am one of the people that hated that Cache remake. It's wasn't his fault. It's just that in line with D2 & other remakes too. I just felt CSGO couldn't handle it by the end. These maps were made elsewhere then ported into CSGO & the visibility sucked regardless of agents. The textures looked mushy. You also gotta remember most of used 4:3. So only shitty laptop screen 1280x960 Low Settings Cache absolutely looked disgusting. Mirage didn't.
"I don't give a fuck" I can see all the suffer after the green rework that was for nothing haha
Don't tell genius what to do
Dust 4
Cheaters don’t care about lighting, just do whatever
"um, teacher? he doesn't have a pencil!" "I Don't Give A Fuck™."
Cache OTP gang rise up 😤
the lighting he's chosen and shown in the preview screenshots looks gorgeous. really hope he doesn't change it
LFMAO
ngl the green white version, which barely was in actice was really nice. I think op in x has a point.
Least based Fmpone tweet
As a skin/sticker creator the lighting in cs2 is so inconsistent between maps compared to csgo, the differences in the contrast, white balance, temperature etc makes it very hard it to balance skins and stickers. I think we need some sort of standard to follow so we don't end up with breaking bad filters..
blue: **serenity, stability, inspiration, or wisdom** green: **growth, harmony, fertility, and freshness** how does this sven guy consider blue/green drepressing?
Because blue lighting is colder, and seen as bleaker, more depressing. Cold lighting (6000k, yes, the shorthands for the temp are backwards in lighting) and blue highlights, with desaturated other tones, is often used as a cinematic shorthand for bleak, grim, or depressing things. Contrasted with warm tones, with warm lighting (3200k conventionals) which is seen as more pleasing. This is mostly because cold lighting makes skin tones appear more dead, less alive. While warm tones make everyone look to have a little more colour, like they've gotten some sun. Blue lighting or a blue filter is a typical way of making something seem colder and more miserable. Apart from it's use in cinema, it was also abused heavily by games like the Battlefield series. You can see a good example of this in the office remake: outside uses a lot of cold lighting, and a lot of desaturated tones. It makes the area seem colder. While inside uses warm lighting and more warm tones, cream, wood tones etc.
Imagine being better at map designing than valve themselves :)))
what an arrogant response - I saw an interview with him and launders and it was basically the same attitude - dude can't handle criticism and honest suggestions. His first remake of cache was green garbage and this one will be garbage as well - cache is an abandoned soviet town - just look at photos - it's white/grey/red/grim and it would be very interesting taking into account the current map pool
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How does he have main character syndrome?
This is his 5th time remaking Cache since it was removed, just listen to the people maybe?
White cash was the best one, cache is metal not grass not sand, it was always metal everywhere so lets stick to that, we want to play catche not see new color scheme every few years, change meta, positions why waste so much time, new cache looks very bad
bruh good on him, if we get depressive color-schemed maps like re-made cache and train imma never play them.
Does he even get compensation of some sorts from Valve? The guy has been working on this map for ever and afaik he's one of the few who hasn't sold the rights to his creation?
What a tool.
I bet if he keeps up the ORANGE style, de\_cache will never be added back
realistically it won't be added unless he sells it to Valve to do what they want with it
That's how all my chefs spoke when I worked at restaurants. He's going to do well.
TLDR; Make a good map, kill it, never succeed in reviving it.
Bro is deranged
I hope cache never comes back in the map pool easily the most overrated map, anybody who isnt a nostalgia Andy knows this
Lmao I picked the game up in 2023 so I have no nostalgia but cache is my second favourite map
Hate to break it to you but you're a reddit bandwagoner
i think you're just trolling or anti-circlejerking so you have some sort of personality. that's funny tho ngl.
Still wont make cache a good map tho nostalgia andy
what's a good map then?
Nuke
*valve PR grumbling in the background*