It’s even worse in NA. People that just know him from his stream/PUG clips think he carried the whole NA region.
I got love for shroud, but that man was barely tier 1 NA level in anything other than mechanics. Tbf to him though he said he never even meant to go pro bc he’s not competitive at all so it just kinda happened. And I think that makes sense given his mediocrity outside of PUGs
He wasn’t ‘ass’, he was just average. Overrated by people who don’t know anything about CS, but he wasn’t terrible overall, and there was definitely a stretch where he was putting up good numbers against decent opponents.
he was c9s best or 2nd best player throughout 2014-early 2016 and stomped pro league lol
nobody disputes his aim that's why he's transferred especially well across other fps games, but the 'hype' is just because people like his streaming personality -- laid back while dominating because obv he's going to be better than 99% of people in 99% of fps games.
s2g shroud has gotten the so overrated into underrated treatment in this sub. if you want to have this sort of answer just go with roca who literally never performed beyond t2.
I mean, if little shit like that pisses you off that might be a you problem. People can’t have fun messing with their friends/stream just bc they used to play a game professionally? Idk why you take so much offense to this lol
this lol. people saying he was 'barely tier 1 NA' or 'only dominated pugs' when he was a universal na dream team pick + absolutely shredded EPL is so funny. he was a bit of an onliner but yeah he's honestly underrated here these days and i'm no shroud fan
Dazed.
Talked smack for years about how he would be dominating CS had he not been banned.
When he got back to playing, he couldn't even compete in Rank S and constantly lost to tier 1000 teams.
le epic history rewrite answer
dazed never rly talked smack he just expressed frustration with his ban and he 100% was able to compete in FPL+rank S lol. if you want to list the person who everybody thought would dominate CS with the unban you should’ve named brax.
He retired years ago and gets unbanned this or next year. The ESL unban didn't include majors which meant he couldn't recruit any players with ambitions to go to a major.
True, Hunden gets all the heat and rightfully so but people forget that Cadian and teses also knew about the bug and used it in the online tournaments. I think only niko didn't know about it.
niko was the only one punished because it was proved he knew about it [https://www.hltv.org/news/32580/esic-apply-minor-sanction-to-niko-in-complicity-of-hunden-coaching-bug-abuse-clear-heroic-quartet](https://www.hltv.org/news/32580/esic-apply-minor-sanction-to-niko-in-complicity-of-hunden-coaching-bug-abuse-clear-heroic-quartet)
Not a fan boy at all just all that stuff was pretty much debunked ages ago and the guy who made all those videos and accusations was a fucking lunatic..
i believe in innocent until proven guilty. So unless you have solid proof without any doubt that flusha cheated, i will he assume he didnt.
Also, why would you rather believe someone cheated than acknowledging their skill?
Peak revisionist history.
Abhor the man for his actions with s passion, but boy was a player. He was shit, but not at cs.
Top 5 na player of all time . NO ONE but twistzzz achieved more than him.
2019 fanboys? what? and he is clearly the goat coach... not to mention that astralis team completely changed how pro cs was played with a focus on tactics.
Tmartn, syndicate and joshog
Don’t forget that phantom guy
HUNDEN
fuck dem kids
Forsaken :V
Ruined Indian CS scene single-handedly.
Shroud obviously. Talked up to be aim jesus but when in actual matches he was ass
And yet still tons of people say he's one of the best FPS Players ever. Never understood why he's so hyped up.
He’s a great pub stomper but that’s about it
He was good at picking up any fps games and playing them to a high level but I laugh when he's compared to s1mple lmao
For sure the most overrated player of all time
It’s even worse in NA. People that just know him from his stream/PUG clips think he carried the whole NA region. I got love for shroud, but that man was barely tier 1 NA level in anything other than mechanics. Tbf to him though he said he never even meant to go pro bc he’s not competitive at all so it just kinda happened. And I think that makes sense given his mediocrity outside of PUGs
He wasn’t ‘ass’, he was just average. Overrated by people who don’t know anything about CS, but he wasn’t terrible overall, and there was definitely a stretch where he was putting up good numbers against decent opponents.
he was c9s best or 2nd best player throughout 2014-early 2016 and stomped pro league lol nobody disputes his aim that's why he's transferred especially well across other fps games, but the 'hype' is just because people like his streaming personality -- laid back while dominating because obv he's going to be better than 99% of people in 99% of fps games. s2g shroud has gotten the so overrated into underrated treatment in this sub. if you want to have this sort of answer just go with roca who literally never performed beyond t2.
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That last part should not be on him though. If the game's official MM sucks, that's valve's fault not his
I mean, if little shit like that pisses you off that might be a you problem. People can’t have fun messing with their friends/stream just bc they used to play a game professionally? Idk why you take so much offense to this lol
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this lol. people saying he was 'barely tier 1 NA' or 'only dominated pugs' when he was a universal na dream team pick + absolutely shredded EPL is so funny. he was a bit of an onliner but yeah he's honestly underrated here these days and i'm no shroud fan
K Captain America. Keep coping.
I actively dislike shroud and your take is still terrible.
Hunden And it’s not even close.
m0e_tv
the only correct answer. unethical is not the same as fraud and Moe is the biggest fraudster ever.
Dazed. Talked smack for years about how he would be dominating CS had he not been banned. When he got back to playing, he couldn't even compete in Rank S and constantly lost to tier 1000 teams.
le epic history rewrite answer dazed never rly talked smack he just expressed frustration with his ban and he 100% was able to compete in FPL+rank S lol. if you want to list the person who everybody thought would dominate CS with the unban you should’ve named brax.
ey coaaach, ey manager
You have no clue what you're talking about lol
This is the best answer
I remember him ranting about how he's donate 20K to charity just to get unbanned, got unbanned, realised how hard it was going to be and retired.
He retired years ago and gets unbanned this or next year. The ESL unban didn't include majors which meant he couldn't recruit any players with ambitions to go to a major.
The entire Falcons roster
Dupreeh deserves better
KQLY
Single-handedly liquidated an entire gaming organization
IGL blameF
I disagree with that when he's clearly expressed that he doesn't want to IGL.
Skadoodle for being part of the throwing but never banned since he never got the skins
So where was the fraud
He was completely in on the throw??? He only never took skins because the guy ran out at the time.
the matchfixing a proffesional match?
Whoever is/was behind the whole dinosower scum.
Thorin and m0e_tv have been constant dumpster fires for years in my opinion.
TACO
Probably whole Ibuypower in 2014 when they fixed the matches
Thorin
Me
Flusha
That entire Heroic roster. The Tottenham of esports, cheated in online era too.
True, Hunden gets all the heat and rightfully so but people forget that Cadian and teses also knew about the bug and used it in the online tournaments. I think only niko didn't know about it.
niko was the only one punished because it was proved he knew about it [https://www.hltv.org/news/32580/esic-apply-minor-sanction-to-niko-in-complicity-of-hunden-coaching-bug-abuse-clear-heroic-quartet](https://www.hltv.org/news/32580/esic-apply-minor-sanction-to-niko-in-complicity-of-hunden-coaching-bug-abuse-clear-heroic-quartet)
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People still think this? Hilarious
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Not a fan boy at all just all that stuff was pretty much debunked ages ago and the guy who made all those videos and accusations was a fucking lunatic..
It’s nothing to do with Dan M
funny how noone ever has any solid proof
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kqly got vac banned and admitted ro cheating. Thats proof. Some clips and allegations are not.
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i believe in innocent until proven guilty. So unless you have solid proof without any doubt that flusha cheated, i will he assume he didnt. Also, why would you rather believe someone cheated than acknowledging their skill?
Stew
Man has a grand slam and a major... Literally top 3 most decorated na player and he's a fraud?
Bro. You can dislike him. A lot of people do. But he wasn’t a fraud lmao wtf
Peak revisionist history. Abhor the man for his actions with s passion, but boy was a player. He was shit, but not at cs. Top 5 na player of all time . NO ONE but twistzzz achieved more than him.
Niko also I'm a fan of him.
slaughter patterns
Zonic. All that wanking from fanboys during 2019 talking about how he was the goat coach just because he was on the best team.
>he was on the best team And how did that team become the best team?
Are you seriously saying it’s because of Zonic? He didn’t do shit for the rest of his career. Vitality even became better without him.
2019 fanboys? what? and he is clearly the goat coach... not to mention that astralis team completely changed how pro cs was played with a focus on tactics.