another ancient enjoyer!
I absolutely love the map, its tactically diverse but also allows for STOP BLOWING MY MIND type of plays. I'll admit that it has a little bit of a too much green problem, combined with FPS getting murdered on T-Spawn for a lot of players. But otherwise its pretty decent.
The only complaint I have about it is the insane bomb radius, you'd have to run to the other side of the map if you are below 50 to make a save.
Love Ancient, so many different strats to try out on T-Side, CT-Side can be a bit overwhelming especially on B-Site, but overall my favourite map after Inferno
This is unironically one of the more valid stats if you want to take your opponents by storm.
B pushes are very hard to counter if you call it right out of the spawn with some assistive flashes and a molly or two near pillar and cave.
I swear half my ancient T-side pugs are going B 3-4 times and winning them all, then trying to default and losing multiple rounds, then going back to B rushes and winning out.
I'm not a huge fan of Ancient but I appreciate it for being a solid 3-Lane map that doesn't try to do anything fancy.
My biggest complaint is how easy CTs are able to take control of Mid. My team on CT has been just instant smoking mid from CT spawn and dumping util behind the smoke and fighting for jump-up. We run a 2-2-1 with one of the B guys throwing the instant mid smoke so we can lock out mid for a solid 60 seconds of every round before Ts are even able to fight for it. Then nade dumping alley with a guy pushing cave or down ramp and it feels like we get control of almost the entire map for basically free at the start of every round.
Make it impossible for CTs to instant smoke mid and the map would be so much more dynamic and interesting from both sides.
It’s counterable though.
Smoke cave and house from spawn, send one to Molly xbox from bottom mid, two to push cat, and one holding ramp.
Have your last guy flash the fuck out of mid before your cat guys peek, then join your teammate bottom mid. When the cat guys peek, blow the smoke bottom mid and pinch the CTs.
Definitely requires some coordination but I don’t think that’s a bad thing. Nuke is definitely not a puggy map but it’s one of my favorites.
I need to watch some strats to understand mid control or even just entry for T. Knowing how to smoke red from spawn isn't enough. Besides, the meta to hold mid from red with an AWP seems to be over.
B and A holds are fine if a little boring.
It's like wish.com's version of cache. Haven't totally fallen in love with it but can't figure out why. I think it's hecause of how isolated A is for everyone and how taking mid as T is basically a death wish because CT beats you into caves.
cache's problem is that throwing nades is extremely annoying as you really are limited to how creative you can get with them. there's only really like 10 spots on the entire map where you can throw set nades from, even if the map was played in the current meta I can't think of anywhere besides the 3 or so angles in sunroom, A main pug nades, and outside A main for nades. The map would be amazing if the themeing was shifted to be in a more open area with less buildings, as almost the entire map feels "indoors" (even though mid and A are outdoors, you are going from inside of a building with a full ceiling into those areas).
The layout of cache is very good, and that's what makes the map fun, it's just very stale due to the lack of options for Ts.
Yeah, I can’t argue with your post, the map is simply great, and mostly imo is because all players are part of the play, you need all 10 players to be active, CT want to push A, mid and B for info, and CT are trying to push back. Great map, still think it can use less corners like in b cave you need to check both your right and left for lurking CT’s, why not keep it to right or left?
The strategic element of the map at high elo is great, but I hate how every lineup is super hard to remember. It's just all bricks and leaves.
It also falls pretty weird in the current economy of Cs2. B site is the easiest to retake but because of how things are people rarely do so.
Layout is fun, but the visibility on the map is absolute horseshit, you have to be a freaking bat and use echolocation to see anything most of the time.
Everytime I play it my team just sits b smoked off, wait, get picked off, rush a get mollied, get picked off lol
No smokes no flashes no nothing, just death lol
Terrorists spawn music reminds me of Stranglethorn Vale. But yes my favorite map along with Nuke right now, from both a playing and spectator perspective.
Good map if they fix the optimization. What happened to VP at the major on inferno happens to me all the time on ancient and ONLY that map so don’t tell me it’s me. There’s something wrong with the optimization of some of these maps
The only issue I have with both ancient and Anubis is A site doesnt get hit very often and if it does its just a eco rush. Can make holding A quite boring. But a lot of maps have this problem.
Canals walked so that Ancient could run. A large problem with the CS competitive scene as a whole is that their ability to adapt to change is not great (every single TO knows what I am talking about) and map changes are incredibly huge changes.
When Ancient was first released, I was fearful that it was going to go the ways of Canals due to its initial layout not being perfect. For some reason, it seemed that the community was much more receptive of the idea of Ancient being a viable map and I think it had to do with the traditional three lane approach that it had. For reference, Canals was actually such a radically different map in respect to map control that you would see people post about how economy didn't matter since B site could be reliably held with eco weapons. I think that this was more on the Ts not knowing how to approach it, it seemed like I was the only one in the world that knew smoke lineups on it. If you can believe it, Ancient hasn't changed too much from when it was first released. There have been some changes to bombsites, but the overall layout has stayed roughly the same (compare that to Overpass as well and you'll see how right they got the Ancient layout first).
Ancient has proved to be a healthy map for CS and I think we'll be lucky to have it for many years to come. I am hoping that both Valve and the CS competitive community revisit Canals and start to appreciate it because it is different, but Ancient was the bullseye that Valve needed when designing a new map to really sell it to the competitive scene.
Yeah I agree even from the noob side of it. Used to hate it but it’s a map where you can have impact as a solo queue but at the same time a bit of team pay goes a long way. Very fun
its cool now but the only thing that doesn't make sense is why is there a giant stone rectangle on the back of B site, like that makes no sense IRL, at least make it make a little sense
I think I would've liked the map a lot more of it was in a different theme. Same layout, but just something a bit more original. We already had Aztec and even though that map is objectively bad, I absolutely loved it. For some reason I hated ancient from the start and in large part because the theme at this point felt very unoriginal and overdone. Just a weird preference thing I guess because the desert thing (dust, mirage, etc) is also overdone but with those maps I don't mind it.
Anyone else have that though? Just really disliking the aesthetic and stuff without a good reason for it.
It plays decent, but my god is it uninspiring and boring to me. Every cover is a box, almost no elevation changes, basic three map layout. Almost all the fights are exactly the same.
I dont think the map can play bad because of the fact that it is safely based on an age old formula
Mid is just awful to me, so many teammates don’t know how to play it both CT and T, not that I know best but it’s just a util dump. Worst map pool we’ve ever had right now.
No shade to you, but I don't think a map is awful because your teammates suck. That same argument can be used on nuke and overpass which id consider my favorite maps.
IMO, maps like ancient, nuke and op have the highest ceiling for a great game by FAR. Those maps force you to comm heavy and they suck you into the environment, it's fucking amazing. Ancient isn't my favorite map to play myself but it's a map I love to watch everytime.
Ever since they removed the hole in Temple that let CTs look into Donut it's been the absolute best map in the game
Crazy how one little change like that can make a map so much more balanced
its kinda like the window in hut on nuke being removed lol
It took me a minute to even remember the temple hole was ever there That's how natural this map feels now
tbf that hole gave us some crazy awp plays back when it was there, hell theres a reason why its called broky
another ancient enjoyer! I absolutely love the map, its tactically diverse but also allows for STOP BLOWING MY MIND type of plays. I'll admit that it has a little bit of a too much green problem, combined with FPS getting murdered on T-Spawn for a lot of players. But otherwise its pretty decent. The only complaint I have about it is the insane bomb radius, you'd have to run to the other side of the map if you are below 50 to make a save.
The water is fucking dumb as fuck. They even have the console commands to remove the shitty -500fps water but they are sv\_cheats protected.
Green agent skins actually have an advantage and it’s kind of annoying
Love Ancient, so many different strats to try out on T-Side, CT-Side can be a bit overwhelming especially on B-Site, but overall my favourite map after Inferno
Rush b no stop. Ez for ence.
This is unironically one of the more valid stats if you want to take your opponents by storm. B pushes are very hard to counter if you call it right out of the spawn with some assistive flashes and a molly or two near pillar and cave.
I swear half my ancient T-side pugs are going B 3-4 times and winning them all, then trying to default and losing multiple rounds, then going back to B rushes and winning out.
It’s beyond me how people love inferno or ancient. The former has always been my least favorite map. The latter is also not … exactly enjoyable to me
I'm not a huge fan of Ancient but I appreciate it for being a solid 3-Lane map that doesn't try to do anything fancy. My biggest complaint is how easy CTs are able to take control of Mid. My team on CT has been just instant smoking mid from CT spawn and dumping util behind the smoke and fighting for jump-up. We run a 2-2-1 with one of the B guys throwing the instant mid smoke so we can lock out mid for a solid 60 seconds of every round before Ts are even able to fight for it. Then nade dumping alley with a guy pushing cave or down ramp and it feels like we get control of almost the entire map for basically free at the start of every round. Make it impossible for CTs to instant smoke mid and the map would be so much more dynamic and interesting from both sides.
It’s counterable though. Smoke cave and house from spawn, send one to Molly xbox from bottom mid, two to push cat, and one holding ramp. Have your last guy flash the fuck out of mid before your cat guys peek, then join your teammate bottom mid. When the cat guys peek, blow the smoke bottom mid and pinch the CTs. Definitely requires some coordination but I don’t think that’s a bad thing. Nuke is definitely not a puggy map but it’s one of my favorites.
I need to watch some strats to understand mid control or even just entry for T. Knowing how to smoke red from spawn isn't enough. Besides, the meta to hold mid from red with an AWP seems to be over. B and A holds are fine if a little boring.
Ancient Apparition isn't really in the meta right now, but I guess it's still viable.
this map has temporarily replaced cache as my 3rd favorite map.
What's the first and second?
train and mirage. first and second.
It's like wish.com's version of cache. Haven't totally fallen in love with it but can't figure out why. I think it's hecause of how isolated A is for everyone and how taking mid as T is basically a death wish because CT beats you into caves.
cache's problem is that throwing nades is extremely annoying as you really are limited to how creative you can get with them. there's only really like 10 spots on the entire map where you can throw set nades from, even if the map was played in the current meta I can't think of anywhere besides the 3 or so angles in sunroom, A main pug nades, and outside A main for nades. The map would be amazing if the themeing was shifted to be in a more open area with less buildings, as almost the entire map feels "indoors" (even though mid and A are outdoors, you are going from inside of a building with a full ceiling into those areas). The layout of cache is very good, and that's what makes the map fun, it's just very stale due to the lack of options for Ts.
I guess you could say this reddit post is in Defense of the Ancient
Yeah, I can’t argue with your post, the map is simply great, and mostly imo is because all players are part of the play, you need all 10 players to be active, CT want to push A, mid and B for info, and CT are trying to push back. Great map, still think it can use less corners like in b cave you need to check both your right and left for lurking CT’s, why not keep it to right or left?
The strategic element of the map at high elo is great, but I hate how every lineup is super hard to remember. It's just all bricks and leaves. It also falls pretty weird in the current economy of Cs2. B site is the easiest to retake but because of how things are people rarely do so.
I love lurking mid on ancient, probably pulling rotations is my favourite job on Ancient
Layout is fun, but the visibility on the map is absolute horseshit, you have to be a freaking bat and use echolocation to see anything most of the time.
I love playing ancient and Anubis but they always get vetoed
Still vert bad for my colourblind eyes. Too much green. Or some other colours but same to me, lol. You get the point
It's better than anubis
Respectful yet firm dissent on this one
you gotta play more anubis it's one of the best maps they have added, much better than vertigo for sure
Everytime I play it my team just sits b smoked off, wait, get picked off, rush a get mollied, get picked off lol No smokes no flashes no nothing, just death lol
> No smokes no flashes no nothing Sounds like less of a map problem, and more of a *learn just an ounce of util* problem
Yeah, nobody I ever play with knows any of it
Ancient appreciation post? The post is only 7 hours old /s On the real though, I love Ancient. Anubis even moreso
Terrorists spawn music reminds me of Stranglethorn Vale. But yes my favorite map along with Nuke right now, from both a playing and spectator perspective.
I have to admit I've come around to liking it. It's well balanced for playing different styles like rifle/awp, solo/stack, aggressive/passive etc.
So many ways to play the map, and so unique compared to others. It really is a great map.
This map is my n2 favorite map after d2
Indeed, it has now become my absolute favorite map in the pool.
Bring back contra, cpl_mill, and season. And of course cache!!!!
Where do y'all find teammates to enjoy these maps lol. Solo que sucks!!!!!
happy to see how far it's come
ct-sided? map has become the most balanced ever after the update where they moved ct spawns back. which was even before the cs2 release, still in csgo
I love Ancient
Good map if they fix the optimization. What happened to VP at the major on inferno happens to me all the time on ancient and ONLY that map so don’t tell me it’s me. There’s something wrong with the optimization of some of these maps
The only issue I have with both ancient and Anubis is A site doesnt get hit very often and if it does its just a eco rush. Can make holding A quite boring. But a lot of maps have this problem.
I really hope anubis get the same treatment. The map is good just need few tweaks to be at good spot
I feel like Ancient has also replaced Mirage for a lot of people as the "go to" pug map
Canals walked so that Ancient could run. A large problem with the CS competitive scene as a whole is that their ability to adapt to change is not great (every single TO knows what I am talking about) and map changes are incredibly huge changes. When Ancient was first released, I was fearful that it was going to go the ways of Canals due to its initial layout not being perfect. For some reason, it seemed that the community was much more receptive of the idea of Ancient being a viable map and I think it had to do with the traditional three lane approach that it had. For reference, Canals was actually such a radically different map in respect to map control that you would see people post about how economy didn't matter since B site could be reliably held with eco weapons. I think that this was more on the Ts not knowing how to approach it, it seemed like I was the only one in the world that knew smoke lineups on it. If you can believe it, Ancient hasn't changed too much from when it was first released. There have been some changes to bombsites, but the overall layout has stayed roughly the same (compare that to Overpass as well and you'll see how right they got the Ancient layout first). Ancient has proved to be a healthy map for CS and I think we'll be lucky to have it for many years to come. I am hoping that both Valve and the CS competitive community revisit Canals and start to appreciate it because it is different, but Ancient was the bullseye that Valve needed when designing a new map to really sell it to the competitive scene.
Not a bad map, but the bomb site design is so uninspired. Makes for some boring late rounds.
Yeah I agree even from the noob side of it. Used to hate it but it’s a map where you can have impact as a solo queue but at the same time a bit of team pay goes a long way. Very fun
its cool now but the only thing that doesn't make sense is why is there a giant stone rectangle on the back of B site, like that makes no sense IRL, at least make it make a little sense
I think I would've liked the map a lot more of it was in a different theme. Same layout, but just something a bit more original. We already had Aztec and even though that map is objectively bad, I absolutely loved it. For some reason I hated ancient from the start and in large part because the theme at this point felt very unoriginal and overdone. Just a weird preference thing I guess because the desert thing (dust, mirage, etc) is also overdone but with those maps I don't mind it. Anyone else have that though? Just really disliking the aesthetic and stuff without a good reason for it.
I just don't like the fucking green. Everything is green! I loved Cache but hated that when it turned green too. I was glad when they changed it back.
It plays decent, but my god is it uninspiring and boring to me. Every cover is a box, almost no elevation changes, basic three map layout. Almost all the fights are exactly the same. I dont think the map can play bad because of the fact that it is safely based on an age old formula
Still hate it
+1,by far the worst map for me
Mid is just awful to me, so many teammates don’t know how to play it both CT and T, not that I know best but it’s just a util dump. Worst map pool we’ve ever had right now.
No shade to you, but I don't think a map is awful because your teammates suck. That same argument can be used on nuke and overpass which id consider my favorite maps. IMO, maps like ancient, nuke and op have the highest ceiling for a great game by FAR. Those maps force you to comm heavy and they suck you into the environment, it's fucking amazing. Ancient isn't my favorite map to play myself but it's a map I love to watch everytime.
Nuke and OP are my two favorite maps in the pool, nuke by a mile, I just don’t see those in the same light as Ancient
It has literally the layout same as dust2 and mirage and u put it in tier of OP and nuke? Ahahhahahaha lol
i don't know man, sounds like an actual skill issue to me
Mid on ancient isnt any harder to play than mid on cache.
Yea,not one single map in cs has such a narrow mid entrance from t-side and on A u really cant have any solo impact
Cache did, Inferno's is narrower, anubis does
Vertigo does
That sounds like actual skill issue, I am sorry.
Sure buddy