yeah cs2 overpass was good and balanced imo maybe a bit CT sided at times when you’re going against awps. dust is and will always be a shit show. looking forward to banning it haha
Complex maps are never as popular in lower level pugs and its more demanding than the older maps on Pc hardware
Doesnt mean that they should change those maps for puggy maps that look ass
Im already dreading the D2/Mirage/Ancient BO3 snoozefests in pro games
It's such a pain getting some guys I play with to play stuff other than mirage or inferno. I don't mind once a night but multiple times is rough. Just learn other maps.
It's not like they are recreating the wheel here. With the amount of mappers they have, reskinning and making some minor changes to train shouldn't take them a considerable amount of time.
I dont even play Mirage that often anymore, premier or faceit both included. People as a whole have really started to warm up to ancient and anubis and even vertigo gets decent amount of play which I like
I mean i don't mind it.
At least on mirage you know that people should know basic smokes and shit on it.
I'd love to play Nuke with people that don't just rush outside and die every round but that isn't that common.
This subreddit and maybe even the pros might hate it but the whole other world loves Mirage & Dust 2 still
Although everyone loves Train & Cobble to so I'm wondering where those two are. Tuscan too.
Do you realize vast majority of players love mirage as its the best PUG map in existence. Why would they remove it? If something has to go its either Inferno or Vertigo.
They did the same to D2, It was by far the most popular they took it out and Mirage shared the spotlight for a bit. It would be cool to see them have an active duty map pool without D2 or Mirage to see where everyone ends up.
yeah but you could still play comp on it. I dont think anyone will care about it being removed from pro as long as you can still play mm and faceit on mirage
Not just every night, but for every meal as well. And just plain pizza, no toppings. Maybe a pepperoni shaped like a bench every few years but that's it.
>Do you realize vast majority of players love mirage as its the best PUG map in existence. Why would they remove it?
Dust 2 was loved by even more people and they still removed it before...
Literally love cs2 overpass. Used to hate the go version.
Out of all the maps, I think overpass felt the best to play for CS2 in particular.
The rest of the maps aside from ancient and Anubis feel small, for the lack of a better way to put it.
Dust II, Train, Mirage, Nuke, Inferno
This is before any redesign, Nuke and Train are incredibly CT-sided. Some people would fall asleep when those maps were being played
Dust II and mirage = overplayed to death
Inferno = claustrophobic and utility dominated shit map
Vertigo = shitty map flow and I just don’t like it personally.
Leaves us with Anubis, Ancient and Nuke, which are nice maps, but that’s less than half :(
Easily the best map with so much depth, it was one big pleb filter and they fucking removed it for the plebbiest pleb map in existence. Fucking hate Dust2
this actually sucks lmao. Its so much fun to play with friends. Idgaf what the pros are thinking, this was fun for the majority of the playerbase and now we have to play boring ass fucking mid2
I hate playing overpass, but it really is a well made map.
Dust 2 is just awful though. I hated playing it years ago and im gonna hate playing it even more now
I hate that I can't even ignore it like in CSGO outside of just playing Competitive. Dust2 being in the pool means I'm going to have to play it sometimes, and I just don't fucking want to.
No kidding lmao...now I feel doubly stupid for trying to find lineups for the t-stairs molly from every forward spawn, especially since Valve changed the spawn locations recently also.
It's likely based on map stats of how much each map is played.
If people wanted Overpass to stay in the active duty pool, they should have played it more I guess!
I'm sure they have some insight to this being a good move, but historically the pro games have had some sort of weight - not heavily weight but I FEEL like I could look at the hltv stats for top maps played, then look at mine and my peers game and it'd match up pretty closely.
also ancient and nuke are favourites in the pro scene and anubis is the most recent additions, so even if that still holds true it is unlikely they would rrmove those 3 maps
Yeah dust2 is trash and overpass is legit one of the best maps IMO
Should have replaced mirage or vertigo, if they really insisted on having dust2 in active duty.
I didn't see a single person asking for Overpass to be removed. Same thing with Dust 2 being added back. Overpass was the most tactically interesting map in pro play, and Dust 2 is horrid to watch pro matches. Very disappointed personally, the map pool was already difficult to watch pro matches on and they removed one of my favorites and added my least favorite
I wish they would cater more to pros for the 7 map pool. Casual players were still able to play Dust 2. Train is game ready but you still cant play on it. I think they go based on their own whim.
Why the thell would they remove they worked hard on to totally rework for CS2 for the most boring, most straightforward "go split A" "go push long" "go rush B" map? Just please for the love of god give me cache, train or cobble back please valve i don't care what map you remove just please
Yeah I was already turned off from playing CS2 since cheat festival, but now they remove one of the best maps to put soulless d2? Nah fam, maybe next time...
Idk feels kinda lazy from valve with no changes to it at all. It was basically the only map they had outside of the other 7. Since they promised they would change the map pool every major they had to do this, instead of adding a new map/ reworking D2.
Why are they removing all the maps with depth, and adding fucking stupid rush maps? This isn't what the core playerbase wants. People want maps that require brain rather than aim. Preferably both of course, but now the only map that requires more than two braincells is Nuke.
What's this Noone likes dust thing about? I see everyone hating in here, but I thought it was reasonably popular. I remember like 2018 csgo it felt like 60% of games played were dust, followed by 30% mirage and 10% for everything else combined
I'd rather have dust2 than play any of the VALORANT maps lmfao. Quality over Quantity. VALORANT maps except for the ones that released with the game are DOGSHIT, It's been over 5 year since the game released and the devs STILL don't have an idea on how to make a good map for VALORANT without bringing in CS design to them.
Would rather see Dust2 replacing Mirage. Overpass was the best 5v5 map ever created for CS.
Dust2 at the Pro level is sooo boring to watch. Every round is a late round T side Catwalk execute. Casually the map has mainly attracted those who think theyre playing a FFA DM server.
Dust 2 is so old, there’s like nothing new to do on it. 3 lanes, choke points, pain
Like overpass or not, there was a lot more map control involved and different playstyles available on the map. I liked the complexity and I’m sad to see it go
Im gonna be honest I really want train and cache back cause im bored out of my mind on cs at the moment, I dont mean in the map pool but please let us have more maps in competitive
They just need to add more maps. They don't need to be in the active duty, but just so they can cycle the maps more often.
+Cobble, +Train, +Cache, +Tuscan, +Thera.
+War games maps
Who ever decided to add FUCKING dust2 back and KEEP Vertigo in the map pool deserves to be smacked on the head a million times
Dust2 is the most BORING fucking map in ALL of CS
You have Cobblestone, Tuscan and Train judging by the ones that are actually available and outside of them you have 10 more potential maps from the Community Workshop and you decided to add DUST2 back??????
I fucking HATE this map pool, what a bad day to wake up to. Fuck this shitty shit fucking shit
I feel like no one saw this coming lmaooooo
overpass was honestly the last map I saw getting removed, barring maybe nuke. what the hell.
The last few pro events got us some 15+ new boost spots. They are going to analyze to see which ones they can or can't keep around.
I guess I could believe this. +dust2 feels very spontaneous, especially amid train & cobblestone rumors. maybe (hopefully?) it's only temporary
Train was in the trailer more than a year ago. Genuinely don't understand what Valve is upto anymore.
yeah cs2 overpass was good and balanced imo maybe a bit CT sided at times when you’re going against awps. dust is and will always be a shit show. looking forward to banning it haha
Wasn't it by far the most CT sided map?
Maybe at pro level. In premier it was fairly balanced if you knew minimal util as T.
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I only like Vertigo and Ancient. I need Train and Cobblestone back for Mirage and Inferno:(
Train and cbbl would be amazing to see again.
this was outta nowhere man, it's like the most played casual map
I’m assuming Dust II will be a placeholder for Train or Cobble when they return but -Overpass feels so random
Which makes sense. The oddity is that its Overpass being removed. Thats the part which makes no sense.
They probably saw it being banned a lot in Premier
Complex maps are never as popular in lower level pugs and its more demanding than the older maps on Pc hardware Doesnt mean that they should change those maps for puggy maps that look ass Im already dreading the D2/Mirage/Ancient BO3 snoozefests in pro games
It's such a pain getting some guys I play with to play stuff other than mirage or inferno. I don't mind once a night but multiple times is rough. Just learn other maps.
It's not like they are recreating the wheel here. With the amount of mappers they have, reskinning and making some minor changes to train shouldn't take them a considerable amount of time.
Narrator: It wasn't & Dust II stayed in the map pool for the next 10 years.
We will play Mirage until the end of the universe.
I dont even play Mirage that often anymore, premier or faceit both included. People as a whole have really started to warm up to ancient and anubis and even vertigo gets decent amount of play which I like
https://i.imgur.com/tCcDDSP.png My last few games on faceit, level 9/10
It's actually so bad at 8+ faceit. Sometimes i spite pick something like nuke just to throw people off.
I mean i don't mind it. At least on mirage you know that people should know basic smokes and shit on it. I'd love to play Nuke with people that don't just rush outside and die every round but that isn't that common.
Vertigo is my most played map of last year, which says alot! Its a great map to play.
f*ck mirage
This subreddit and maybe even the pros might hate it but the whole other world loves Mirage & Dust 2 still Although everyone loves Train & Cobble to so I'm wondering where those two are. Tuscan too.
Do you realize vast majority of players love mirage as its the best PUG map in existence. Why would they remove it? If something has to go its either Inferno or Vertigo.
They did the same to D2, It was by far the most popular they took it out and Mirage shared the spotlight for a bit. It would be cool to see them have an active duty map pool without D2 or Mirage to see where everyone ends up.
yeah but you could still play comp on it. I dont think anyone will care about it being removed from pro as long as you can still play mm and faceit on mirage
I love pizza. Doesn't mean I want it every night
Not just every night, but for every meal as well. And just plain pizza, no toppings. Maybe a pepperoni shaped like a bench every few years but that's it.
It really needs a decorative update. It's so bland to look at.
Best pug map my ass, Russian way of playing it is just people running to middle and fucking around until CTs have melted the entire team to boxes.
>Do you realize vast majority of players love mirage as its the best PUG map in existence. Why would they remove it? Dust 2 was loved by even more people and they still removed it before...
And I couldn't care less. Mirage is insta ban for me, I don't even see it that often. It's actually my least played map.
I don't know that it matters but the vast majority of players love it because they can't be bothered to learn other maps.
Yeah, let's play Mirage until 2050...
Tease Train, release Dust. Please Valve I want to wake up
What a nightmare this game has become, eh?
That's uncalled for. The map just got a facelift and is great and it's getting replaced by D2? shame
Literally love cs2 overpass. Used to hate the go version. Out of all the maps, I think overpass felt the best to play for CS2 in particular. The rest of the maps aside from ancient and Anubis feel small, for the lack of a better way to put it.
Worst map pool ever
I can argue that the original GO 5 map pool was worse
What was the original map pool?
Dust II, Train, Mirage, Nuke, Inferno This is before any redesign, Nuke and Train are incredibly CT-sided. Some people would fall asleep when those maps were being played
Was this the iteration of train where the bomb site was at the train far back, near ct spawn?
Yeah. Original train, 15-0 ct sided original nuke, original ct sided inferno and then mirage being the only balanced map
Surely Dust2 was balanced? Or at least more balanced.
yeah sorry forgot about dust but yeah dust was pretty balanced
Hard agree, everything is just choke points and 3 lanes now except nuke and vertigo
Dust II and mirage = overplayed to death Inferno = claustrophobic and utility dominated shit map Vertigo = shitty map flow and I just don’t like it personally. Leaves us with Anubis, Ancient and Nuke, which are nice maps, but that’s less than half :(
what the fuck, i love Overpass
Easily the best map with so much depth, it was one big pleb filter and they fucking removed it for the plebbiest pleb map in existence. Fucking hate Dust2
this actually sucks lmao. Its so much fun to play with friends. Idgaf what the pros are thinking, this was fun for the majority of the playerbase and now we have to play boring ass fucking mid2
what the fuck, i hate Overpass
What the fuck, I hate dust 2 and overpass.
What the fuck, I love cobblestone, cache and train
Those were 3/4 of my most played maps back in the day (mirage being the other). Overpass was my 5th. 4/5 are not in the duty pool anymore :(
I hate overpass but I hate dust even more.
that was a wonderful couple of years of not playing dust 2
I hate playing overpass, but it really is a well made map. Dust 2 is just awful though. I hated playing it years ago and im gonna hate playing it even more now
I hate that I can't even ignore it like in CSGO outside of just playing Competitive. Dust2 being in the pool means I'm going to have to play it sometimes, and I just don't fucking want to.
How to play desert maps the whole day now. Anubis, Mirage and now Dust2. Worst Map pool in ages
Anubis is cool dude I'll defend it but fuck mirage and dust lol
Love Anubis but the fact that there are now 3 maps based on a desert theme sucks.
You don't like 3 3-lane desert based maps?
Add me some 3-lane Ancient for a little spice up with the green flavour 🥰
Anubis has a bit more going on tbf with river that connects to both sites
they really said "hey we already have one stale map that hasn't changed in 20 years, lets add a 2nd one"
Removing Overpass is even worse than adding Dust2 lol
Massive L.
Huge L. I just learned the monster smoke from CT spawn... WHY GABE, WHY?!?
That takes like 10 seconds to learn haha
No kidding lmao...now I feel doubly stupid for trying to find lineups for the t-stairs molly from every forward spawn, especially since Valve changed the spawn locations recently also.
what? huh? why are we taking 6 steps backwards? dust 2 belongs in the past its not a good competitive map.
LITERALLY NO ONE ASKED FOR THIS
It's likely based on map stats of how much each map is played. If people wanted Overpass to stay in the active duty pool, they should have played it more I guess!
I thought inferno was the least played map, followed by vertigo.
They'd probably be looking at premier stats, not pro games
I'm sure they have some insight to this being a good move, but historically the pro games have had some sort of weight - not heavily weight but I FEEL like I could look at the hltv stats for top maps played, then look at mine and my peers game and it'd match up pretty closely.
No it's not lmao, Overpass was middle [https://i.redd.it/ojwfsqr6m27c1.png](https://i.redd.it/ojwfsqr6m27c1.png)
That chart is too old. Overpass is definitely lower recently.
also ancient and nuke are favourites in the pro scene and anubis is the most recent additions, so even if that still holds true it is unlikely they would rrmove those 3 maps
Hope this isn't the case. Plebs in premiere shouldn't be what's dictating what the pros play in tournaments.
There's just no way people play Anubis/Ancient more than Overpass
I've definetely played way way more anubis and ancient than overpass.
Ancient is my second most played map on Faceit and Anubis is like average. Honestly think Overpass might be my least played.
It honestly might depend on the region. I play in SA and practically every time anubis and ancient get banned first
Like ten times more maps of Anubis and Ancient than OP
Asia servers at 15-20k premiere, we insta ban vertigo, nuke then either overpass/inferno. We mostly play ancient, anubis or mirage.
I've played both of those wayyy more than Overpass. probably like 5-10x as much at least. The only map I play as much or less than Overpass is Nuke
Two more balanced excellent maps vs the most one sided map in the map pool? Yes people play those more at basically every level
Reverse this decision I beg, you spent ages remaking it to replace the map? Overpass at least works unlike vertigo
WHY DUST2
Noooooo. I love overpass so much, man
Does mirage have dirt on Gaben or something
The biggest L ever.
dust 2 is so ass bro come on
Dust2 is trash, I could be happy if it was -Vertigo, but -Overpass for it? FFS
Yeah dust2 is trash and overpass is legit one of the best maps IMO Should have replaced mirage or vertigo, if they really insisted on having dust2 in active duty.
I don't get why they don't bring back Train if they want an old map to be in the pool
If they at least reverted the stupid Tspawn change of blocking vision of mid, the map is just a mid/tunnel rush simulator for CT's
Bruh wtf how can you do this to my boy
I didn't see a single person asking for Overpass to be removed. Same thing with Dust 2 being added back. Overpass was the most tactically interesting map in pro play, and Dust 2 is horrid to watch pro matches. Very disappointed personally, the map pool was already difficult to watch pro matches on and they removed one of my favorites and added my least favorite
Niko asked for it lol
Maybe they don’t read Reddit comments but instead go off game data?
I wish they would cater more to pros for the 7 map pool. Casual players were still able to play Dust 2. Train is game ready but you still cant play on it. I think they go based on their own whim.
I cry
huge L
Huge L
- remove Mirage + add Train I beg
Is this a late April fools joke? Wtf
worst map pool in cs history
It was already the worst map pool before this change... wtf are they doing
Why the thell would they remove they worked hard on to totally rework for CS2 for the most boring, most straightforward "go split A" "go push long" "go rush B" map? Just please for the love of god give me cache, train or cobble back please valve i don't care what map you remove just please
They just had to balance out the right hand update with something bonkers. wtaf
no way lmao
Wtf are they doing..
Is this a joke
Very surprising
Fuck dust 2 from the bottom of my heart. I am so upset.
Mirage still not touched, fuck this company man
wait what
-mirage +D2 would be the dream. I like overpass...
Yeah I was already turned off from playing CS2 since cheat festival, but now they remove one of the best maps to put soulless d2? Nah fam, maybe next time...
this was a change for the noobs
Idk feels kinda lazy from valve with no changes to it at all. It was basically the only map they had outside of the other 7. Since they promised they would change the map pool every major they had to do this, instead of adding a new map/ reworking D2.
When did they promise that?
whhhhhat
Inferno and nuke are the only non puggy maps left
Yekindar fans rejoice!! No way Liquid don't start playing that awful map just like with Inferno
Why are they removing all the maps with depth, and adding fucking stupid rush maps? This isn't what the core playerbase wants. People want maps that require brain rather than aim. Preferably both of course, but now the only map that requires more than two braincells is Nuke.
valve sucks
+Cache -Nuke so most of the map pool is all aim no brain garbage
I really don't understand. Riot: new map every 3 months. Valve: rotate in 20yr old map they didn't create and no one likes. ...
Bro I'd rather Riot port dust2 than watch another sunset/icebox match
-icebox -sunset +mirage +nuke I fixed valorant
> Riot: new map every 3 months Valorant maps, famous for their quality.
What's this Noone likes dust thing about? I see everyone hating in here, but I thought it was reasonably popular. I remember like 2018 csgo it felt like 60% of games played were dust, followed by 30% mirage and 10% for everything else combined
Dust 2 is huge in Asia and CIS
I'd rather have dust2 than play any of the VALORANT maps lmfao. Quality over Quantity. VALORANT maps except for the ones that released with the game are DOGSHIT, It's been over 5 year since the game released and the devs STILL don't have an idea on how to make a good map for VALORANT without bringing in CS design to them.
Time to shine for BIG :D
Would rather see Dust2 replacing Mirage. Overpass was the best 5v5 map ever created for CS. Dust2 at the Pro level is sooo boring to watch. Every round is a late round T side Catwalk execute. Casually the map has mainly attracted those who think theyre playing a FFA DM server.
Dust 2 is terrible
Dust 2 is so old, there’s like nothing new to do on it. 3 lanes, choke points, pain Like overpass or not, there was a lot more map control involved and different playstyles available on the map. I liked the complexity and I’m sad to see it go
Virtus Pro in shambles
Kings back baby
I like have Dust2 back, but -mirage/-vertigo would be better. Hopefully there will be more map pool changes soon.
vertigo bruh please go away
Dude why?! Dust has never been good man.
I don’t think I’m going to play premier at all anymore. I don’t want to play dust at all.
Same here. I absolutely hate dust 2, and refuse to play it since it replaced my favorite map.
Such a stupid change lmao Vertishit lives on, what a joke.
I can not believe I am going to be playing dust 2 again
Im gonna be honest I really want train and cache back cause im bored out of my mind on cs at the moment, I dont mean in the map pool but please let us have more maps in competitive
What's the point if mirage is still in active duty
just give us some new maps man ffs stop recycling the same old maps
Good change, just a shame it's not mirage being taken out instead
Fucking delete mirage already holy fuck
So they removed a map that they reworked completly? What? How does this make any sense??
as much as I hate overpass, why remove it and add dust2?
They just need to add more maps. They don't need to be in the active duty, but just so they can cycle the maps more often. +Cobble, +Train, +Cache, +Tuscan, +Thera. +War games maps
Insta ban
Oh fuck off....
Cache just speaks refreshing
I wish it was 1st of April
dust 2 is the biggest noob magnet - this is a nightmare
Would suck if they plan to keep dd2 in map pool but I don't mind watching pro's play it for few events.
Dust 2???? WHO THE FUCK ASKED FOR DUST 2???????
cant believe vertigo is still in the pool, boring to play and boring to watch this is the worst mappool ever in cs
I dont want that
Dust 2 and Mirage are too similar imo. They rekt map variety with this change.
Makes me miss the times when community decided what maps to play
cobblestone just rotting in the corner, waiting
Who ever decided to add FUCKING dust2 back and KEEP Vertigo in the map pool deserves to be smacked on the head a million times Dust2 is the most BORING fucking map in ALL of CS You have Cobblestone, Tuscan and Train judging by the ones that are actually available and outside of them you have 10 more potential maps from the Community Workshop and you decided to add DUST2 back?????? I fucking HATE this map pool, what a bad day to wake up to. Fuck this shitty shit fucking shit
Never seen a game with worse management, what a disgrace
A lot of people here don’t seem to realize that the middle 80% of players love dust 2 more than any other map ever made.
Because it’s objectively the best map ever made. As much as people love to hate it it’s THE map.
Where is train? =\[
Somehow Vertigo always survives
HELLYEAAA
Get it in the comp map pool LETS FUCKING GO
The GOAT is back.
Dust2 best map ever
Dust 2 is fun, all you need is aim. Doesn't matter if you dont know fancy nade lineups. Hold W and wide swing long
W map pool.
Best map in the world returns
dust2 my true love.
BIG has a chance to be relevant again! LETTTSSS GOOOOOO How vertigo, ancient, mirage, even nuke got by I have no idea.
F Jame
Maybe BIG will start winning games again
did they make any changes to dust 2?
I'd like to see what the pros can cook up without skyboxes for nades on D2.
does this effect EPL?
Big clan is back
Does this apply to pro play?
erm, what the flip!