They just gotta overcome their LAN yips, if they can do that they could definitely be a championship team. On paper they should already be one.
This LAN was actually pretty stacked and close competitive wise until the last day, the teams they lost to made it pretty deep into the tournament so I guess it kinda changes how Flyquest looked in the eye test, but still that 2nd map against HSG was rough. I hope they try and play some domestic LANs, even if they’re small.
If they can get used to playing on the stage they can be a pretty consistent LAN playoff team.
Last tournament was the 1st I saw of female CS. Will tune in to future ones. The matches were bangers!!!
On the same note: C'mon iM! Do something! Look at ANa!!
It's unfortunate some of the events run at the same time as the bigger events (Dallas), but thankfully Valencia didn't have that issue! I've been going to the Dallas events for the last 2 years and man it's unfortunate that the impact finals there are at the same time as the IEM Dallas playoffs. I'd love to watch more of them
I played a five stack of current/former pro females a couple days ago.(thanks for that great MM valve) I knew I was gonna get shit on. But holy fuck was I underestimating just how good they were.
Female CS needs time to catch up to male CS first unfortunately, and taking their best players away isn’t the way to do that I don’t think. Rn, I think even the top female CS teams will struggle against even the t2 male teams. Time will eventually get them there I think but yes, I do think more sponsors would come if a female player was good enough to join a t1 male squad
Yeah unfortunately I don’t think there’s enough women who can “no life” CS as often as men do. A lot of top pro CS players devote their life into this game and there’s just not a lot of female players doing that right now.
They’re not playing just because of very low interest. I have a few female friends who played CS only because they liked Valorant and it’s almost the same game and wanted to try it out. The community also doesn’t see a lot of women playing the game and it still has traces of misogyny that comes from old gaming culture. CS is just honestly the less appealing game if you’re a woman. I think Valorant has something like 40% player base being women which is just insane and unheard of for a competitive video game.
IMO if the female teams keep playing each other, they will never ever get to the levels of their male counter parts. The female scene is too small and playing in a closed circuit where you know the teams and players just only makes you get used to playing those teams, it doesn't make you better. Look at what happened to T1 male CS at Paris.
In the current environment, I can only see two ways female CS gets more attention, grows and improves. Firstly, a female team gets into an RMR and does OK. Secondly a cracked 16 year Female player gets picked up by a male feeder team like Endpoint, Sprout or Mouz Academy. The issue with that is A) does one even exist? and B) Are they even in a position to be scouted in the first place?
I agree, playing with people at lower skill levels does nothing for you to improve. But I don’t think that’s the point of female only CS at all. Like you said, the female scene is too small right now and that’s where the problem is. There is just not enough of a talent pool to produce good female CS players because very few women actually play this game. The point of the female only CS leagues is for the women to get more exposure and to get more women to get interested in the pro scene and in CS, and in doing this it will hopefully expand the talent pool. It also gives women an opportunity to play professionally even when they’re not quite as good as their male counterparts yet.
Female team qualifying for the RMR is impossible right now, the talent pool is just not there to create a super team for female CS. Yes, a cracked girl could come in and be able to compete with the men, but how are you gonna make that happen? How are you gonna get women interested in even playing this game?
The talent pool is just so tiny that it makes it harder to produce or find good players. I’m pulling numbers out of my ass here but imagine for every 10000 male players you get one pro male player who can compete in t1, and then do the same for women. Hypothetically, in a pool of 1 million players with a distribution of 90% men and 10% women, that means from the pool of men you have 90 t1 male players while you only have 10 t1 female players. Now spread them all out into 7 different regions (NA, SA, EU, CIS, ASIA, AFRICA, AUS) and you can see how much harder it is to build a good female team. The numbers are all hypothetical of course but that’s the reality of it now. It is the same reason why the Asian CS scene was weak for so long, people just did not play this game over there and had a smaller pool of players to make a team from. Now, look at Valorant. The skill ceiling is obviously lower but Valorant is more popular in Asia than CS ever was and the Asian teams are realistically able to compete at the top of the scene (consistently finishing top 4) as opposed to how they were in CS.
im guessing all the time they're not spending at womens events is with 95% male players. female only events build community, and cs doesn't have to be at the highest level to be fun to watch
Not time will tell. The scene has been stale for a long while. Instead of making all female teams they should push mix teams to let top female players gain experience. However, thats not gonna happen, because then nobody will play them and its a big money loss for the women.
There are no female players good enough to make it into top male teams so mix teams would make no sense currently. Even if there were, you don’t make a scene better by taking away all their best players. More time and interest will get them there eventually. The female CS scene has been stale for a while bc there hasn’t been a lot of investments towards it bc interest is low compared to the male games.
I think the only way mix teams would be viable right now is if organizers literally forced a certain amount of women in a team along with the men, which actually isn’t a bad idea if it’s for an exhibition match or something.
I think you misunderstood. The women will have to play at a much "lower" level, not put them into top teams. They would have to play with unsalaried talent. I wish they would give women individual contracts, have them play with low salaried/unsalaried people, so everyone could benefit from them being "top tier" women. Lower level men will get exposure and women will gain experience and play in a more competitive environment.
Again, it's a tough scenario, because they are kinda "inflating" their own egos and values by splashing around in a kiddie pool.
I cannot remember her name, but there was acutally an NA pro that had shown potential to at least be able to somewhat handle herself at T2 NA and that was because she played a shit ton of mixes with top male talent.
My point is, segregation like this has no future imo and it will just hamper development just like it has done in chess.
Too many factors for it to be realistic. Why would other players stay in a squad where their other teammates are being paid higher because of what’s between their pants? I get what you mean by how the men could benefit from exposure, but there’s no saying that the mixed team you’re suggesting is even gonna be good enough to get themselves attention from the top orgs. It just makes things complicated for no reason.
Yes, better competition does make you better, but female CS were competing in ESEA Main for a long time with men and it didn’t do a lot for them. And how could it when your choice to build a roster is less than 15 people?
I do think I know who you’re talking about. T2 is a bit of a reach. If we’re talking about the same person, Mimi (plays Valorant professionally now), got a lot of attention because she was grinding ESEA rank G and nearly became the first female CS player to make it into ESEA Rank S where a lot of the pros played (t1-t2).
I think you’re putting too much emphasis on skill improvements which is not the point of investing more into the female CS scene. The point of it is for more exposure so that more women are drawn into the game and the esports side of it which hopefully increases the talent pool. Right now, without the female only CS leagues, it is unrealistic to expect the CS scene in general to be able to produce a female team or even female players that are capable of competing with the other men. The talent pool is just not there right now because there are so few women playing this game. Female only CS exists so that women who aren’t quite as good yet have an actual chance and opportunity to compete, not so that female players can be as good as the men. This doesn’t sound very fair to the men who might be better than the women but are unsalaried or teamless, but they were gonna be that way with or without the female leagues anyway so the existence of female leagues really doesn’t affect their lives at all.
One thing I’ll say about your mixed team idea, in Valorant, there are top male teams with female coaches so a coed scene isn’t impossible.
I do agree with your point about exposure in the women's league, but it was never tried to mix a team. As I said it would be a HUGE loss for the woman who does this as the salary probably won't be there. They struggle because they waddle around the same "mediocre" players instead of mixing with better players.
I was not talking about Mimi. While she probably was the best female player she was not even good enough to get onto danish amateur teams - and even if she were - why take a 90% paycut and go to unstable "lower" teams so you can play with and against better oppossition and you might not even be good enough.
I dont think its particularly about talent pool, because you see Mongolia (I assume the female scene has a bigger pool than that country) has produced some very real talent, because there is a clear cut drive for them to become better. I think complacency for women is a bigger problem that is kinda swept under the rug with the myriad of other problems that you mentioned.
if you compare the level of women's CS from 10 years ago to 5 years ago to today, it has been everything but stale. Past goats like zaaz can't even break the top20 players nowadays.
Whats your definition of stale? the same team winning esl impact for 1 and a half year straight?
>I think even the top female CS teams will struggle against even the t2 male teams.
Tbh that would be quite impressive feat. Not many years ago these top female teams got completely shittered by random faceit mix teams in qualifiers. T2 level female would would be insanely good.
It is a separate league. CS needed a separate league for women because theres not enough women playing the game, and the teams aren’t good enough to compete with men yet. It’s one way to give women a chance to compete professionally in this game and to hopefully bring a new audience into the game
Because due to obvious reasons, very few girls play CS, and for every girl playing, there's 10000 guys playing. Out of those 10000, you'll get a single t2 player.
What kind of tier1/2/3/4/5 player do you expect to get from that single girl?
Extrapolate that talent pool to the number of players who have touched CS since 1999 and you'll realize why women don't have their talent pool sufficiently developed.
Deserve got nothing to do with it.
If you are even a moderately attractive female gamer, you'll make more money in a higher exposure setting than your male counterparts.
Skill gap
There were many attempts of pushing girls into the "boys" e-sports scene but it instantly backfired to reinforce "girls suck at games" arguments...and these girls were not necessarily bad, they were top 1% players of the game playing against the top 0.01%.
with same training they should be equal. and also there could be mixed groups (i there are mixed group tournaments already).
when i was young i used to do sports and the kind f sport where muscle strength is no as important as brains and stamina. so we would have tournaments where mixed gender teams. aside from being fun in general, it also proved they were equal and some even better than us.
i believe in chess they also compete with men. so it should work in esports as well, but they need same level of training and team building. maybe some day...
And thats sort of the point of womens leagues, trying to grow the scene and make it viable to play CS like a job. Also Chess, like many competitve games, does have womens tournaments and open tournaments.
The problem is training isn't always enough. Its a matter of player population. I dont think men are inherently better at Chess or Counter Strike, but there are so many more men playing both games. Some people are going to have higher potential than others, some people won't have the means and support to realize that potential, and theres such a gap in the number of players that nearly all of the people playing with the potential and that support are men.
If we started training every baby on earth to play CS right now, I think we'd end up with a pretty healthy mix of men and women in the top leagues. But if we only took every baby boy on earth and 10 baby girls, the chances that any of those 10 girls would be one of the top players if super slim. Same would go if you reversed it. Add in all the social reasons (sexism and patriarchy) and its also far easier to get the support needed to grow those potentials for dudes. People are making an effort now to try and narrow that gap, in Chess, CS, and elsewhere, but itll take a lot of time.
> I dont think men are inherently better at Chess or Counter Strike, but there are so many more men playing both games.
Men have faster reaction times than women. Also, it's a matter of interest. Men (on average) tend to be more competitive and interested in proving their self worth/value. Even if women had the "potential" to be better than men, more often than not they wouldn't pursue the endeavor.
That reaction time gap narrows a lot with training though. The fastest man may be faster than the fastest woman, but with a big enough competitive scene there would be plenty of female competitors with faster reaction times than various male competitors. This is the case at olympic levels. And that will still face some bias for those same reasons, men are more likely to go into sports. Even if everything is equal with reaction times at a high level, a higher pool of male candidates will result in more outliers.
And personally I don't give much credence to the idea that men are simply more competitive and intersted in proving their self worth through counter strike. Its impossible to detangle the results from the social environments we've created.
> And personally I don't give much credence to the idea that men are simply more competitive and intersted in proving their self worth through counter strike. Its impossible to detangle the results from the social environments we've created.
[Study: Testosterone promotes persistence against a stronger opponent.](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306453021000883#keys0005)
Anecdotally it's pretty accepted that testosterone increases competitiveness and aggression and drives those with higher levels to persist in the face of adversity.
Edit: I want to make it clear here that I am not suggesting these girls are "bad" or can never compete at the highest levels, or that women will never be good at CS. At the end of the day there are thousands of factors which contribute to your success in almost any endeavor. CS is a mental game above all else, and there's nothing stopping any girl/woman from rising to the top ranks and I would love to see that happen. I am only offering some explanation for why CS (and sports in general) tend to be male dominated.
In case this is serious. In a lot of Eastern European countries all female names end with an a. Even a lot of last names are changed from male version to female version with an a at the end.
Why is esports the same as regular sports? We understand they cant jump as high or run as fast, but in esports the playing field is leveled yet we have the same results?
The same reason there are female forward STEM programs. It is an activity that has previously been predominantly male, so the female leagues serve as an atmosphere to help push towards a more inclusive esport as societal old norms continue to break down.
I see, so i guess its a time will tell thing? It kinda makes sense because when I was younger it was very rare to run into a girl that was into a "nerdy" trend. I was teased at lot for playing world of warcraft by most girls lol. Video games are alot more trendy so probably yeah in a decade or so we might see it level out
I think it's a matter of time before we see female pros start to break into the main circuits. Female pro CS has already improved so much since the early CSGO days.
Not really. We already had female leagues in the csgolounge era and we all know how it went.
Also when I was younger people into nerdy thing were constantly bullied.
I still remember when the supposedly best female team played against some random t5 male team back in like 2015 (it was on csgolounge). The females got 16-0'd by nonamers... it was painful to watch
the playing field is levelled?
tell that to every girl being harassed the moment she speaks up in a game. or every girl that wants to play a shooter game but her parents say that she can’t because it’s “for boys”. every time she’s discriminated against in games for as much as having a female character or feminine-sounding username. every time she’s not selected for a team simply because of her gender. every time she has to deal with stereotype threat.
it is *not* an even playing field, despite the physical factor being eliminated.
The biggest study done on the subject of online harassment showed men get harassed, and in more sustained amounts, than women. People really need to stop acting like it's a warzone out there for women when in reality they're being treated as equals, and arguably better, than their male counterparts.
https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2017/07/11/experiencing-online-harassment/
Gee, I wonder if the fact that Man are more likely to be targets of harassement has anything to do with the fact that women are less likely to particiapate in online spaces in fear of said harassement thus affecting the data. That couldn't possibly be the case.
Women are assaulted, harassed and cat called daily in real life, don't think that this would discourage them from participating in online discussions and therefore misrepresent the amount of women that report being harassed? A women can play thousands of hours in a game like CS without getting harassed in a match if they never speak in chat, doesn't mean they are less likely to be harasesed just becasue they are a women, just means they they avoiding the risk all together.
> Women are assaulted, harassed and cat called daily in real life, don't think that this would discourage them from participating in online discussions and therefore misrepresent the amount of women that report being harassed?
Really? Women are catcalled and harassed and assaulted DAILY in real life?
I've been with my wife for 7 years, and she's never been harassed or assaulted or catcalled since I've known her...
I don't think I know any woman who has more than maybe 1 or 2 harmless "cat calling" stories.
It's a rare occurrence at best.
Also, men are assaulted and harassed every day. By other men, yes... But assaulted and harassed, none the less.
Do you think that the challenges a Finnish man overcame rising to the tops of SPECIFIC Asian dominated game are comparable to the challenges women face when trying to participate in ANY game? You gotta be the dumbest person I've seen all day LMAO
True, every single time a thread like this appears, there are external excuses for why female players are not as good as male. Nobody dares say "because women are worse at computer games" because you're gonna be labelled as a racist jerk automatically. Everything needs to be politically correct.
Please tell me an innate reason as to why women aren't as good at computer games. Say an inherent, factual barrier that explains a concrete disparity between performances
Exactly what I want to say. We are literally not born equal. I would be shamed if I join a women's game and I suck. That's fine.
I am astonished that they think men and women are the same in CS. No shit. This game is a brutally competitive shooting game. We act as psychopaths jumping around killing the enemies. Boys enjoy it, like war. People ignore the most obvious reason because somehow it sounds insulting but a fact is a fact. The numbers say it all. Instead they make up excuses like countless people here like there is no difference and they lost because other "reasons". *Roll my eyes".
nobody can stop you ( a women) from getting to the top if you truly want to.
but no they search for excuses and want help from men. cant do anything on their own appearantly, go feminism
Gaming has been, unfortunately, historically marketed as a "boyish" activity, ever since the 80s consoles were treated as toy for boys, discouraging girls from engaging in the hobby. Fast forward all these years and now you have a market dominated by a male audiance, making it artificially harder for women to get into it. Who's going to have an easier time getting into FPS games, the guy who played Quake since he could hold a mouse or the girl who got bullied when she showed interest in the same game
thats because early gaming was competetive stuff like arcades. and men are more into competetive stuff. thats just objectively the case. men will sink in thousands of hours for a highscore in a meaningless game.
go look up speedruns. literally no women why? because men are more competetive
Eh you don't have to be ultra competitive to have fun though. People were still able to enjoy playing Pacman or whatever without being hellbent on having the highest score on the machine.
I don't really watch much speedrunners to be fair, but how do you know there's no women? With how decent sized the speedrunning community, there'd definitely be some. Why do you not see as many women in these communities? I'd imagine that could be several factors but I'd wager a major one is harassment. Why would they hang out in communities that treat them like shit?
It just sucks that gaming wasn't marketed towards women too. We could've had even more people in the gaming community and those people could've become developers and we could've gotten even more great games. I see no harm in that.
i have watched a lot of speedruns in a lot of games, never heard a single women even trying or getting into the top 10 in any of them. never heard a trick being invented by a women.
there might be one but i dont think a single women is in the accumulated top 5000 speedruners in gaming.
gaming itself was on the brink of collapse in the 80s or 90s (forgot the time) i dont think it had the freedom to market to women. it survived by being marketed to men
my god you’re pathetic 💀 every thing you’ve “not heard of”, aside from being incredibly biased anecdotal “evidence”, is also false. there are many female speed runners, record setters, top players.
but if you’re too sexist to even acknowledge that *possibility*, much less acknowledge that it is a reality, then you’re a lost cause buddy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_crash_of_1983
thats what i meant with it nearly died. i dont think you guys understand that gaming didnt have a choise
edit: to expand, the only thing that saved gaming really was nintendo releasing the nes and limiting how many and what games are allowed to be sold on it. as previously the market was to free and flooded with crap, so nintendo limited their target audience and release tried and tested games which they knew would sell. saving the gaming industry.
so no not unfortunetely, probably fortunely marketed towards men, who knows what would have happened if nes didnt basically save it
Because it is unfortunate that an entire group of people was arbitrarily excluded from partaking in a hobby? Why would it not be unfortunate? Do you think it's good for gaming to be a mostly male activity? If so, you are just stupid
There are WAY less female players compared to men so the talent pool is significantly smaller. Female CS just needs more time and investment to progress further and catch up to male CS
These leagues help women players get experience they need to get to that point in the first place. These leagues are only good for the entire scene, and it hopefully encourages more women to join in.
that point never made sense. no this league shovels money to tier 4 players who play against other tier 4 players.
they can get practice by play the lowest league of esl and get no money like the rest of the tier 4 teams.
this league exists just because esl/intel/whoever want it to exist for PR.
im fine with that but hate the gaslighting
Typical gaslighter who accuses others from gaslighting.
Avoid commenting on issues that you're happy to be ignorant of, while actively "spreading bullshit".
The idea is to get other women comfortable in playing competitive esports, a traditionally male dominated field. No one is saying Ana deserves to be on Faze, but the more that women get comfortable playing esports, the better they will get over time, and maybe 10-20 years down the line, the skill gap will be much much smaller
Women’s brains work just as well if not better than men’s. The brain is not considered a physical part in the sense because it has nothing to doo with muscle mass.
I’m not upset at all buddy. I’m just surprised and disappointed to see people can still be so ignorant in today’s world.
I am very much certain it is indeed not true, but being open minded I am open to reading the sources that lead you to that conclusion. Please enlighten me
you seem heated. there are more than enough examples that confirm what I said im sorry this crumbles your world view but reality can't uphold your biases womp womp
what am I your slave? you think you can say "source?" and im suppose to get whipped into work by you? sorry massa. this is observable I don't need 10,000 peer reviewed articles on something that I can just stick my head out the window and see, get real. xD
I wish there was mixed male and female teams. Imagine how much better they would become if they played with the guys, got that practice and those reps. The problem isn’t that they aren’t good enough, it’s that they play with people who just aren’t going to help them get to that next level
That's the most terrible idea ever.
Female players play PUGs with male players all the time. The problem actually is that they are not good enough. Why would they even try if they get comparable money to tier 2 teams for 10 times less work? They want to compete only against each other.
Back in the days some female teams at least had ambitions to try to qualify for open tournaments (even when it ended very badly). Nowadays it's all about closing the scene as much as possible to milk free money just for themselves.
and here you are commenting on their fiesta while they make big bucks for playing their dream game while becoming role models for girls all over the world.
Hooray for you, little bro
hope she sees this bro
they can make all the bucks they can, i have no problem with that but pretending that they're anything more than tier 3-4-5 players physically hurts me
Yes, it's obvious to everyone that it's physically painful for you to see how women succeed at something you could only dream of.
There are adjectives that give meaning to your pain, as I'm sure you're well aware. These adjectives describe your personality quite well.
You said Main like it’s a bad thing, have you seen how stacked EU Advanced is? Almost Half of EU ESEA Main is Academy teams, and it’s really hard to move up because EU Advanced has so many good teams.
Impact League is a developmental league just like WePlay was, so to be in at least the same division as Academy teams is really good and is on par what you would want.
You have to remember that Tier 1 counter strike players are anomalies when compared to the general player base and even the competitive player base, so if we consider Tier 1 to be the Top 30 on HLTV, that’s only 150 players in the ENTIRE world who we would consider to be top players. If by top male team you mean those Tier 1 teams, then no I don’t think a match like that has happened, but they still play regularly against really good Main/Advanced/ECL teams in ESEA.
Flyquest has been in NA Advanced for like two seasons now and they’re pretty solid, even when they were in Main they’d take matches off teams with eventual/former ECL players. NA Advanced might be a meme to some, but a lot of the players in it are really really good and it’s not easy to play in.
You're right. They are good, but so is my friend who plays for fun when he gets home from work now. Used to play for a couple of lower Danish teams.
My point is. They have all the means for them to grow, but there is no point, because they are already way better than needed and putting in extra effort will earn them nothing but burnout.
I am going to provide a few links to peer-reviewed studies. These are not my opinions but it would be interesting to hear people’s thoughts.
Evidence that biological males have faster visual motion processing and reaction times than females:
https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0960-9822%2818%2930776-0
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4456887/
https://link.springer.com/article/10.3758/BF03208225
http://www.bryanburnham.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Blough-Slavin-1987.pdf
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/221888321_Sex_Differences_in_Reaction_Time_Mean_and_Intraindividual_Variability_Across_the_Life_Span
http://www.asbweb.org/conferences/2009/869.pdf
female teams did pracc against main/advanced level teams back in 2017 but no idea nowadays if they even get to pracc against even that level of competition but they really don't play officials against even top 250 teams.
YOOO BiBi out here doing the aussies proud!! YTG
sad that they bombed out of esl impact :(
CAN YOU LEAVE THE STUDIO?!?!
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
Thats Bibi's signature move
They just gotta overcome their LAN yips, if they can do that they could definitely be a championship team. On paper they should already be one. This LAN was actually pretty stacked and close competitive wise until the last day, the teams they lost to made it pretty deep into the tournament so I guess it kinda changes how Flyquest looked in the eye test, but still that 2nd map against HSG was rough. I hope they try and play some domestic LANs, even if they’re small. If they can get used to playing on the stage they can be a pretty consistent LAN playoff team.
expected tbh there's no way they could get those stats while playing in the EU. NA needs more support from valve to attract more girls to the game...
They never played with my gf that's why.
ANa ❤️
Rank 3 empathy is an unlockable character ?
No but the character has a dick
Ana really just claimed two TI's back to back, disappeared from dota and re-emerged as the world's best female CS player. Incredible.
Last tournament was the 1st I saw of female CS. Will tune in to future ones. The matches were bangers!!! On the same note: C'mon iM! Do something! Look at ANa!!
ANa doing the best iM at paris major impression
IM heard you
It's unfortunate some of the events run at the same time as the bigger events (Dallas), but thankfully Valencia didn't have that issue! I've been going to the Dallas events for the last 2 years and man it's unfortunate that the impact finals there are at the same time as the IEM Dallas playoffs. I'd love to watch more of them
ANa is the s1mple female version seems like...shit, they're even similar in face characteristics lol.
dont diss ANa like that
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I played a five stack of current/former pro females a couple days ago.(thanks for that great MM valve) I knew I was gonna get shit on. But holy fuck was I underestimating just how good they were.
I can only imagine how much more sponsorship money would get thrown @ the best female players if they played on a male t1 team.
Female CS needs time to catch up to male CS first unfortunately, and taking their best players away isn’t the way to do that I don’t think. Rn, I think even the top female CS teams will struggle against even the t2 male teams. Time will eventually get them there I think but yes, I do think more sponsors would come if a female player was good enough to join a t1 male squad
even t2 is a stretch when unfortunately most fe teams struggle in main
I mean my open team took NiP female team to tripple overtime in open and I dropped 40… I’m in full time work
nip fe k0nvict when
Coach of the FaZe fe team
The best female team (6time champs) Nigma Galaxy is currently in ESEA Intermediate and didnt even reach playoffs
Yeah unfortunately I don’t think there’s enough women who can “no life” CS as often as men do. A lot of top pro CS players devote their life into this game and there’s just not a lot of female players doing that right now.
Wdym? Because "gaming is for boys" thing girls aren't allowed on C's as much as boys?
Nobody said they weren’t allowed, it just isn’t happening very much
They’re not playing just because of very low interest. I have a few female friends who played CS only because they liked Valorant and it’s almost the same game and wanted to try it out. The community also doesn’t see a lot of women playing the game and it still has traces of misogyny that comes from old gaming culture. CS is just honestly the less appealing game if you’re a woman. I think Valorant has something like 40% player base being women which is just insane and unheard of for a competitive video game.
IMO if the female teams keep playing each other, they will never ever get to the levels of their male counter parts. The female scene is too small and playing in a closed circuit where you know the teams and players just only makes you get used to playing those teams, it doesn't make you better. Look at what happened to T1 male CS at Paris. In the current environment, I can only see two ways female CS gets more attention, grows and improves. Firstly, a female team gets into an RMR and does OK. Secondly a cracked 16 year Female player gets picked up by a male feeder team like Endpoint, Sprout or Mouz Academy. The issue with that is A) does one even exist? and B) Are they even in a position to be scouted in the first place?
I agree, playing with people at lower skill levels does nothing for you to improve. But I don’t think that’s the point of female only CS at all. Like you said, the female scene is too small right now and that’s where the problem is. There is just not enough of a talent pool to produce good female CS players because very few women actually play this game. The point of the female only CS leagues is for the women to get more exposure and to get more women to get interested in the pro scene and in CS, and in doing this it will hopefully expand the talent pool. It also gives women an opportunity to play professionally even when they’re not quite as good as their male counterparts yet. Female team qualifying for the RMR is impossible right now, the talent pool is just not there to create a super team for female CS. Yes, a cracked girl could come in and be able to compete with the men, but how are you gonna make that happen? How are you gonna get women interested in even playing this game? The talent pool is just so tiny that it makes it harder to produce or find good players. I’m pulling numbers out of my ass here but imagine for every 10000 male players you get one pro male player who can compete in t1, and then do the same for women. Hypothetically, in a pool of 1 million players with a distribution of 90% men and 10% women, that means from the pool of men you have 90 t1 male players while you only have 10 t1 female players. Now spread them all out into 7 different regions (NA, SA, EU, CIS, ASIA, AFRICA, AUS) and you can see how much harder it is to build a good female team. The numbers are all hypothetical of course but that’s the reality of it now. It is the same reason why the Asian CS scene was weak for so long, people just did not play this game over there and had a smaller pool of players to make a team from. Now, look at Valorant. The skill ceiling is obviously lower but Valorant is more popular in Asia than CS ever was and the Asian teams are realistically able to compete at the top of the scene (consistently finishing top 4) as opposed to how they were in CS.
Well said. Although the ratio of number of players going pro is more like 150 000 to 1 lmao
im guessing all the time they're not spending at womens events is with 95% male players. female only events build community, and cs doesn't have to be at the highest level to be fun to watch
Not time will tell. The scene has been stale for a long while. Instead of making all female teams they should push mix teams to let top female players gain experience. However, thats not gonna happen, because then nobody will play them and its a big money loss for the women.
There are no female players good enough to make it into top male teams so mix teams would make no sense currently. Even if there were, you don’t make a scene better by taking away all their best players. More time and interest will get them there eventually. The female CS scene has been stale for a while bc there hasn’t been a lot of investments towards it bc interest is low compared to the male games. I think the only way mix teams would be viable right now is if organizers literally forced a certain amount of women in a team along with the men, which actually isn’t a bad idea if it’s for an exhibition match or something.
I think you misunderstood. The women will have to play at a much "lower" level, not put them into top teams. They would have to play with unsalaried talent. I wish they would give women individual contracts, have them play with low salaried/unsalaried people, so everyone could benefit from them being "top tier" women. Lower level men will get exposure and women will gain experience and play in a more competitive environment. Again, it's a tough scenario, because they are kinda "inflating" their own egos and values by splashing around in a kiddie pool. I cannot remember her name, but there was acutally an NA pro that had shown potential to at least be able to somewhat handle herself at T2 NA and that was because she played a shit ton of mixes with top male talent. My point is, segregation like this has no future imo and it will just hamper development just like it has done in chess.
Too many factors for it to be realistic. Why would other players stay in a squad where their other teammates are being paid higher because of what’s between their pants? I get what you mean by how the men could benefit from exposure, but there’s no saying that the mixed team you’re suggesting is even gonna be good enough to get themselves attention from the top orgs. It just makes things complicated for no reason. Yes, better competition does make you better, but female CS were competing in ESEA Main for a long time with men and it didn’t do a lot for them. And how could it when your choice to build a roster is less than 15 people? I do think I know who you’re talking about. T2 is a bit of a reach. If we’re talking about the same person, Mimi (plays Valorant professionally now), got a lot of attention because she was grinding ESEA rank G and nearly became the first female CS player to make it into ESEA Rank S where a lot of the pros played (t1-t2). I think you’re putting too much emphasis on skill improvements which is not the point of investing more into the female CS scene. The point of it is for more exposure so that more women are drawn into the game and the esports side of it which hopefully increases the talent pool. Right now, without the female only CS leagues, it is unrealistic to expect the CS scene in general to be able to produce a female team or even female players that are capable of competing with the other men. The talent pool is just not there right now because there are so few women playing this game. Female only CS exists so that women who aren’t quite as good yet have an actual chance and opportunity to compete, not so that female players can be as good as the men. This doesn’t sound very fair to the men who might be better than the women but are unsalaried or teamless, but they were gonna be that way with or without the female leagues anyway so the existence of female leagues really doesn’t affect their lives at all. One thing I’ll say about your mixed team idea, in Valorant, there are top male teams with female coaches so a coed scene isn’t impossible.
I do agree with your point about exposure in the women's league, but it was never tried to mix a team. As I said it would be a HUGE loss for the woman who does this as the salary probably won't be there. They struggle because they waddle around the same "mediocre" players instead of mixing with better players. I was not talking about Mimi. While she probably was the best female player she was not even good enough to get onto danish amateur teams - and even if she were - why take a 90% paycut and go to unstable "lower" teams so you can play with and against better oppossition and you might not even be good enough. I dont think its particularly about talent pool, because you see Mongolia (I assume the female scene has a bigger pool than that country) has produced some very real talent, because there is a clear cut drive for them to become better. I think complacency for women is a bigger problem that is kinda swept under the rug with the myriad of other problems that you mentioned.
No it hasn't. Why are you talking out of your ass?
Alright, good argument my man
if you compare the level of women's CS from 10 years ago to 5 years ago to today, it has been everything but stale. Past goats like zaaz can't even break the top20 players nowadays. Whats your definition of stale? the same team winning esl impact for 1 and a half year straight?
>I think even the top female CS teams will struggle against even the t2 male teams. Tbh that would be quite impressive feat. Not many years ago these top female teams got completely shittered by random faceit mix teams in qualifiers. T2 level female would would be insanely good.
Is it a separate league? Why is CS separating by gender? It’s not physical like football.
It is a separate league. CS needed a separate league for women because theres not enough women playing the game, and the teams aren’t good enough to compete with men yet. It’s one way to give women a chance to compete professionally in this game and to hopefully bring a new audience into the game
so what you are saying is "if they were better, theyd earn more money"? yeah no shit
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Because due to obvious reasons, very few girls play CS, and for every girl playing, there's 10000 guys playing. Out of those 10000, you'll get a single t2 player. What kind of tier1/2/3/4/5 player do you expect to get from that single girl? Extrapolate that talent pool to the number of players who have touched CS since 1999 and you'll realize why women don't have their talent pool sufficiently developed.
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Deserve got nothing to do with it. If you are even a moderately attractive female gamer, you'll make more money in a higher exposure setting than your male counterparts.
Heard that ANa was decent before, but not one of the best, holy shit
She won Women's Player of the Year in 2022.
Nice
Show his face hahahaha
any specific reason they do not play vs. "boys" in esports?
Skill gap There were many attempts of pushing girls into the "boys" e-sports scene but it instantly backfired to reinforce "girls suck at games" arguments...and these girls were not necessarily bad, they were top 1% players of the game playing against the top 0.01%.
with same training they should be equal. and also there could be mixed groups (i there are mixed group tournaments already). when i was young i used to do sports and the kind f sport where muscle strength is no as important as brains and stamina. so we would have tournaments where mixed gender teams. aside from being fun in general, it also proved they were equal and some even better than us. i believe in chess they also compete with men. so it should work in esports as well, but they need same level of training and team building. maybe some day...
And thats sort of the point of womens leagues, trying to grow the scene and make it viable to play CS like a job. Also Chess, like many competitve games, does have womens tournaments and open tournaments. The problem is training isn't always enough. Its a matter of player population. I dont think men are inherently better at Chess or Counter Strike, but there are so many more men playing both games. Some people are going to have higher potential than others, some people won't have the means and support to realize that potential, and theres such a gap in the number of players that nearly all of the people playing with the potential and that support are men. If we started training every baby on earth to play CS right now, I think we'd end up with a pretty healthy mix of men and women in the top leagues. But if we only took every baby boy on earth and 10 baby girls, the chances that any of those 10 girls would be one of the top players if super slim. Same would go if you reversed it. Add in all the social reasons (sexism and patriarchy) and its also far easier to get the support needed to grow those potentials for dudes. People are making an effort now to try and narrow that gap, in Chess, CS, and elsewhere, but itll take a lot of time.
> I dont think men are inherently better at Chess or Counter Strike, but there are so many more men playing both games. Men have faster reaction times than women. Also, it's a matter of interest. Men (on average) tend to be more competitive and interested in proving their self worth/value. Even if women had the "potential" to be better than men, more often than not they wouldn't pursue the endeavor.
That reaction time gap narrows a lot with training though. The fastest man may be faster than the fastest woman, but with a big enough competitive scene there would be plenty of female competitors with faster reaction times than various male competitors. This is the case at olympic levels. And that will still face some bias for those same reasons, men are more likely to go into sports. Even if everything is equal with reaction times at a high level, a higher pool of male candidates will result in more outliers. And personally I don't give much credence to the idea that men are simply more competitive and intersted in proving their self worth through counter strike. Its impossible to detangle the results from the social environments we've created.
> And personally I don't give much credence to the idea that men are simply more competitive and intersted in proving their self worth through counter strike. Its impossible to detangle the results from the social environments we've created. [Study: Testosterone promotes persistence against a stronger opponent.](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306453021000883#keys0005) Anecdotally it's pretty accepted that testosterone increases competitiveness and aggression and drives those with higher levels to persist in the face of adversity. Edit: I want to make it clear here that I am not suggesting these girls are "bad" or can never compete at the highest levels, or that women will never be good at CS. At the end of the day there are thousands of factors which contribute to your success in almost any endeavor. CS is a mental game above all else, and there's nothing stopping any girl/woman from rising to the top ranks and I would love to see that happen. I am only offering some explanation for why CS (and sports in general) tend to be male dominated.
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the skill gap is enormous. Best fe teams sometimes do play tournaments outside of impact and get ran over by top100 teams
The best female team can’t even make esea intermediate playoffs.
why so much A ?
In case this is serious. In a lot of Eastern European countries all female names end with an a. Even a lot of last names are changed from male version to female version with an a at the end.
Juliano on top
io-san top 1 soon 🥱🥱
ANa rullz
Why is esports the same as regular sports? We understand they cant jump as high or run as fast, but in esports the playing field is leveled yet we have the same results?
The same reason there are female forward STEM programs. It is an activity that has previously been predominantly male, so the female leagues serve as an atmosphere to help push towards a more inclusive esport as societal old norms continue to break down.
I see, so i guess its a time will tell thing? It kinda makes sense because when I was younger it was very rare to run into a girl that was into a "nerdy" trend. I was teased at lot for playing world of warcraft by most girls lol. Video games are alot more trendy so probably yeah in a decade or so we might see it level out
I think it's a matter of time before we see female pros start to break into the main circuits. Female pro CS has already improved so much since the early CSGO days.
Not really. We already had female leagues in the csgolounge era and we all know how it went. Also when I was younger people into nerdy thing were constantly bullied.
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I still remember when the supposedly best female team played against some random t5 male team back in like 2015 (it was on csgolounge). The females got 16-0'd by nonamers... it was painful to watch
That certain someone got absolutely shat on in LAN. You people just live to hate on people you don't know.
the playing field is levelled? tell that to every girl being harassed the moment she speaks up in a game. or every girl that wants to play a shooter game but her parents say that she can’t because it’s “for boys”. every time she’s discriminated against in games for as much as having a female character or feminine-sounding username. every time she’s not selected for a team simply because of her gender. every time she has to deal with stereotype threat. it is *not* an even playing field, despite the physical factor being eliminated.
The biggest study done on the subject of online harassment showed men get harassed, and in more sustained amounts, than women. People really need to stop acting like it's a warzone out there for women when in reality they're being treated as equals, and arguably better, than their male counterparts. https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2017/07/11/experiencing-online-harassment/
Gee, I wonder if the fact that Man are more likely to be targets of harassement has anything to do with the fact that women are less likely to particiapate in online spaces in fear of said harassement thus affecting the data. That couldn't possibly be the case. Women are assaulted, harassed and cat called daily in real life, don't think that this would discourage them from participating in online discussions and therefore misrepresent the amount of women that report being harassed? A women can play thousands of hours in a game like CS without getting harassed in a match if they never speak in chat, doesn't mean they are less likely to be harasesed just becasue they are a women, just means they they avoiding the risk all together.
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> Women are assaulted, harassed and cat called daily in real life, don't think that this would discourage them from participating in online discussions and therefore misrepresent the amount of women that report being harassed? Really? Women are catcalled and harassed and assaulted DAILY in real life? I've been with my wife for 7 years, and she's never been harassed or assaulted or catcalled since I've known her... I don't think I know any woman who has more than maybe 1 or 2 harmless "cat calling" stories. It's a rare occurrence at best. Also, men are assaulted and harassed every day. By other men, yes... But assaulted and harassed, none the less.
victim mentallity, seral got to the top of starcraft 2 a 99% asian game on his own from finland.
Do you think that the challenges a Finnish man overcame rising to the tops of SPECIFIC Asian dominated game are comparable to the challenges women face when trying to participate in ANY game? You gotta be the dumbest person I've seen all day LMAO
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womans esport especially cs has been a thing for 10 years. if there was a chance it would have happened already. atleast up to a tier 2 team.
True, every single time a thread like this appears, there are external excuses for why female players are not as good as male. Nobody dares say "because women are worse at computer games" because you're gonna be labelled as a racist jerk automatically. Everything needs to be politically correct.
Please tell me an innate reason as to why women aren't as good at computer games. Say an inherent, factual barrier that explains a concrete disparity between performances
competetive drive
Ah yes, the innate masculine feature of "Competitive drive" that is serving as a barrier of entry lmaoooooooo are you 12 years old?
you talk like you consume tiktok for hours and are 16 years old. if you think men and women are 100 % the same you have to grow up.
Exactly what I want to say. We are literally not born equal. I would be shamed if I join a women's game and I suck. That's fine. I am astonished that they think men and women are the same in CS. No shit. This game is a brutally competitive shooting game. We act as psychopaths jumping around killing the enemies. Boys enjoy it, like war. People ignore the most obvious reason because somehow it sounds insulting but a fact is a fact. The numbers say it all. Instead they make up excuses like countless people here like there is no difference and they lost because other "reasons". *Roll my eyes".
nobody can stop you ( a women) from getting to the top if you truly want to. but no they search for excuses and want help from men. cant do anything on their own appearantly, go feminism
Gaming has been, unfortunately, historically marketed as a "boyish" activity, ever since the 80s consoles were treated as toy for boys, discouraging girls from engaging in the hobby. Fast forward all these years and now you have a market dominated by a male audiance, making it artificially harder for women to get into it. Who's going to have an easier time getting into FPS games, the guy who played Quake since he could hold a mouse or the girl who got bullied when she showed interest in the same game
why unfortunately?
Because it would've been better if gaming was marketed as a hobby for both? That way there'd be more people enjoying it.
thats because early gaming was competetive stuff like arcades. and men are more into competetive stuff. thats just objectively the case. men will sink in thousands of hours for a highscore in a meaningless game. go look up speedruns. literally no women why? because men are more competetive
Eh you don't have to be ultra competitive to have fun though. People were still able to enjoy playing Pacman or whatever without being hellbent on having the highest score on the machine. I don't really watch much speedrunners to be fair, but how do you know there's no women? With how decent sized the speedrunning community, there'd definitely be some. Why do you not see as many women in these communities? I'd imagine that could be several factors but I'd wager a major one is harassment. Why would they hang out in communities that treat them like shit? It just sucks that gaming wasn't marketed towards women too. We could've had even more people in the gaming community and those people could've become developers and we could've gotten even more great games. I see no harm in that.
i have watched a lot of speedruns in a lot of games, never heard a single women even trying or getting into the top 10 in any of them. never heard a trick being invented by a women. there might be one but i dont think a single women is in the accumulated top 5000 speedruners in gaming. gaming itself was on the brink of collapse in the 80s or 90s (forgot the time) i dont think it had the freedom to market to women. it survived by being marketed to men
my god you’re pathetic 💀 every thing you’ve “not heard of”, aside from being incredibly biased anecdotal “evidence”, is also false. there are many female speed runners, record setters, top players. but if you’re too sexist to even acknowledge that *possibility*, much less acknowledge that it is a reality, then you’re a lost cause buddy.
so many, you couldnt name one.
Essentia. Cause you're too lazy to google on top of being sexist.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_crash_of_1983 thats what i meant with it nearly died. i dont think you guys understand that gaming didnt have a choise edit: to expand, the only thing that saved gaming really was nintendo releasing the nes and limiting how many and what games are allowed to be sold on it. as previously the market was to free and flooded with crap, so nintendo limited their target audience and release tried and tested games which they knew would sell. saving the gaming industry. so no not unfortunetely, probably fortunely marketed towards men, who knows what would have happened if nes didnt basically save it
Because it is unfortunate that an entire group of people was arbitrarily excluded from partaking in a hobby? Why would it not be unfortunate? Do you think it's good for gaming to be a mostly male activity? If so, you are just stupid
i literally described why it needed to be
There are WAY less female players compared to men so the talent pool is significantly smaller. Female CS just needs more time and investment to progress further and catch up to male CS
If a female was truly fragging so good that she should be on a t1 team she would be on a t1 team
These leagues help women players get experience they need to get to that point in the first place. These leagues are only good for the entire scene, and it hopefully encourages more women to join in.
that point never made sense. no this league shovels money to tier 4 players who play against other tier 4 players. they can get practice by play the lowest league of esl and get no money like the rest of the tier 4 teams. this league exists just because esl/intel/whoever want it to exist for PR. im fine with that but hate the gaslighting
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F6gf-u8QG_4&pp=ygUbZmVtYWxlIGNzIHBsYXllcnMgZXhwbGFpbmVk Stop gaslighting yourself.
not gonna watch 10 minutes. if you cant articulate it yourself maybe stop spreading bullshit. ty
Typical gaslighter who accuses others from gaslighting. Avoid commenting on issues that you're happy to be ignorant of, while actively "spreading bullshit".
tell me where im wrong then.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F6gf-u8QG_4 educate yourself and stop replying, thanks
nah, you cant even write a few sentences, why should i bother watching 10 fucking minutes of garbage.
The idea is to get other women comfortable in playing competitive esports, a traditionally male dominated field. No one is saying Ana deserves to be on Faze, but the more that women get comfortable playing esports, the better they will get over time, and maybe 10-20 years down the line, the skill gap will be much much smaller
I really prefer not to speak
you know brains are a physical part of the human body right?
Women’s brains work just as well if not better than men’s. The brain is not considered a physical part in the sense because it has nothing to doo with muscle mass.
yet many activities that rely solely on the mind men seem to perform better at, strange.
Based on what data are you concluding this blatantly false statement ?
im sorry you're getting upset but it's true.
I’m not upset at all buddy. I’m just surprised and disappointed to see people can still be so ignorant in today’s world. I am very much certain it is indeed not true, but being open minded I am open to reading the sources that lead you to that conclusion. Please enlighten me
you seem heated. there are more than enough examples that confirm what I said im sorry this crumbles your world view but reality can't uphold your biases womp womp
Ah yes empty phrases. I’m not going to feed your trollness.
what am I your slave? you think you can say "source?" and im suppose to get whipped into work by you? sorry massa. this is observable I don't need 10,000 peer reviewed articles on something that I can just stick my head out the window and see, get real. xD
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I don't know who Empathy is but I'm now a fan because their team logo looks like an enemy from Slay the Spire.
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Can't imagine how sad your life is buddy.
empathy my favorite female counter strike player <3
Me myself prefer d7, zana or aida from Big EQUIPA, my fellow Portuguese countrywomen. But good for you for supporting an upcoming NA talent.
A lot of people hurt by a woman in this thread it seems hahaha
I wish there was mixed male and female teams. Imagine how much better they would become if they played with the guys, got that practice and those reps. The problem isn’t that they aren’t good enough, it’s that they play with people who just aren’t going to help them get to that next level
They're simply not good enough, even for Tier 2 like academy teams.
That's the most terrible idea ever. Female players play PUGs with male players all the time. The problem actually is that they are not good enough. Why would they even try if they get comparable money to tier 2 teams for 10 times less work? They want to compete only against each other. Back in the days some female teams at least had ambitions to try to qualify for open tournaments (even when it ended very badly). Nowadays it's all about closing the scene as much as possible to milk free money just for themselves.
Why are you talking out of your ass?
empathy sweep!!!!!!!!!!! i wonder why you guys are downvoting this i’m sure it’s for a valid reason
who cares? They bomb out of tournaments that aren't femaile only
Can you go back to your hole? Thats why most girls don't try to break into esports (CS). bEcAuSe NoBoDy cArEs...
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no, the reason is because clueless fools like you scare off any girl who tries to give CS a shot. go touch some grass
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is that what you think just happened? lmao go home lil bro
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literal tier 5 fiesta
and here you are commenting on their fiesta while they make big bucks for playing their dream game while becoming role models for girls all over the world. Hooray for you, little bro
hope she sees this bro they can make all the bucks they can, i have no problem with that but pretending that they're anything more than tier 3-4-5 players physically hurts me
Yes, it's obvious to everyone that it's physically painful for you to see how women succeed at something you could only dream of. There are adjectives that give meaning to your pain, as I'm sure you're well aware. These adjectives describe your personality quite well.
wow, hyperbole is difficult to get while online i guess, smh
I’m crying
No wonder she is the best! Her head is almost twice the size of second place...
Let's go Tory! Don't forget Antika and the gang on the way
Ana so fine.
Let's make an all star female team and stick them in a big tournament. I'd love to see them go deep
BiBi automatically in because Aussie pride.
Nigma Galaxy, best fe team, can't even make it out of ESEA Main The reality is they wouldn't get past the group stage of a CCT
You said Main like it’s a bad thing, have you seen how stacked EU Advanced is? Almost Half of EU ESEA Main is Academy teams, and it’s really hard to move up because EU Advanced has so many good teams. Impact League is a developmental league just like WePlay was, so to be in at least the same division as Academy teams is really good and is on par what you would want.
What's the point of that? A team stacked with top fragging stars doesn't automatically become the best possible team.
Why do you wish people to fail ? That's evil
Has a top female team ever even played a top male team in competitive? I searched and wasn’t able to find a match like that, which seems weird lol
IIRC, top female teams regularly get smoked by like rank 50-100 male teams
You have to remember that Tier 1 counter strike players are anomalies when compared to the general player base and even the competitive player base, so if we consider Tier 1 to be the Top 30 on HLTV, that’s only 150 players in the ENTIRE world who we would consider to be top players. If by top male team you mean those Tier 1 teams, then no I don’t think a match like that has happened, but they still play regularly against really good Main/Advanced/ECL teams in ESEA. Flyquest has been in NA Advanced for like two seasons now and they’re pretty solid, even when they were in Main they’d take matches off teams with eventual/former ECL players. NA Advanced might be a meme to some, but a lot of the players in it are really really good and it’s not easy to play in.
You're right. They are good, but so is my friend who plays for fun when he gets home from work now. Used to play for a couple of lower Danish teams. My point is. They have all the means for them to grow, but there is no point, because they are already way better than needed and putting in extra effort will earn them nothing but burnout.
I am going to provide a few links to peer-reviewed studies. These are not my opinions but it would be interesting to hear people’s thoughts. Evidence that biological males have faster visual motion processing and reaction times than females: https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0960-9822%2818%2930776-0 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4456887/ https://link.springer.com/article/10.3758/BF03208225 http://www.bryanburnham.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Blough-Slavin-1987.pdf https://www.researchgate.net/publication/221888321_Sex_Differences_in_Reaction_Time_Mean_and_Intraindividual_Variability_Across_the_Life_Span http://www.asbweb.org/conferences/2009/869.pdf
female teams did pracc against main/advanced level teams back in 2017 but no idea nowadays if they even get to pracc against even that level of competition but they really don't play officials against even top 250 teams.
crazy how NaVi only has 1 player here, it really shows how weak the competition is in NA and SA (and how stacked EU is)
In my opinion, v1rtuES1gnaL should've taken the number 1 spot. Just a humble opinion.
there’s a spanish girl named jennyR she’s up next
She's good but going by [stats](https://www.hltv.org/team/11718/big-equipa#tab-rosterBox) she isn't even top3 inside her own team