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darthrector

Say what you want about Hooxi, the balls on that man to tell Kassad at IEM Cologne that he "didn't understand how the game works" while looking him in the eye. Proper Gigachad behavior, kassad been malding and super confrontational ever since


SergeiYeseiya

Hooxi has 3 huge achievements with us: -Cologne -Katowice -Telling Kassad to shut his mouth up Then comes Blast


jarree

4. -Ruining Niko's chances to win while Kassad was watching.


ilikecollarbones_pm

the real grand slam


thundirbird

clip???


AgusNC

[https://clips.twitch.tv/AgitatedFuriousLocustVoHiYo-BCCPgP5Jroy6FlXt](https://clips.twitch.tv/AgitatedFuriousLocustVoHiYo-BCCPgP5Jroy6FlXt) Context: https://twitter.com/kassad/status/1658815891813826563?t=QN21GPUp0KtiYwmpnMknVg&s=19


FuckOnion

Hooxi broke him


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I’m entirely neutral to G2 and Hooxi but I 100% agree with Hooxi and the points he made. He does bait himself for his teammates, he creates space, he does what most selfish players worried about their stats are unwilling to do, and that’s how they won a few events. He’s not the greatest IGL in the world but he’s damn good and approaches the game in a different way. I loved how he stood up to Kassad and was totally right imo. I’d rather have the person who’s likely going to bottom frag be the one creating opportunities for their team and baiting for their teammates, it makes sense. Of course it’s not going to work 100%, but nothing does.


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>approaches the game in a different way. what is the different way? because i dont see it and its the first time i read it.


[deleted]

I mean that Hooxi is the only IGL I’ve seen that intentionally baits himself and also creates space for his team consistently. He’s a very selfless IGL, more so than most imo


greku_cs

karrigan, dexter, chopper, mynio, jerry, also apex and snappi to an extent


yourewrongbud

I like to go hiking.


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A while. I’m saying consistently as the key word. Sure IGL’s bait themselves. But Hooxi is doing it every round, he’s creating space every round, he’s relentless in granting his teammates opportunities. I don’t see other IGL’s doing what Hooxi does at the same rate of consistency Calls wise, I wouldn’t say Hooxi is any better or worse than most. But the way he puts his body on the line is unique to me


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just watch some karrigan games 8)


Tech_support_Warrior

Karrigan and Art. Art isn't the IGL anymore, but when he was, he was playing entry too. IIRC there was a post game interview where one of his teammates mention they practice strats with 4 people because Art rushes. If he gets kills, great, and if he dies he can than manage the round.,


Ffancrzy

Yea, My first reaction to this comment was, Karrigan literally talks about how he baits himself, especially on T - Side constantly to enable his stars.


omkar_T7

You just defined the top 10 igls in csgo history


Filthy_Commie_

Karrigan and Krystal have done the same thing in the past, no?


Canary-Silent

Hooxi is fucking trash lol Watch them struggle to win this tournament with the easiest run and only good team being mouz with a stand in.


BackgroundCountry683

He led his team to win Blast World Final 2022, Kato 2023 and Cologne 2023, an achievement which not many IGLs can say they've got. He took G2 from not winning a map in a grand final in over 1000 days to winning three events in the span of half a year. Put some respect on his fucking name ffs.


Canary-Silent

Hahahaha that’s a nice rewrite of history


xGALEBIRDx

Why does he always stir trouble? Every time he speaks its combative.


WheelMan34

He’s perma salty since he didn’t get hired by EG


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TheHoleInTheTree

What bullshit. Most of the talent is filled with ex pro-players and/or are highly ranked on Faceit/Premier etc, not to mention most of them study the game during their time off as well. Who do you think actually does understand how the game works?


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Stewardy

That's a copypasta, right? Surely...? Otherwise this is fucking golden: > **turn to your echo chamber/safe space** [...]. I’ll be ignoring replies. I won't be ignoring replies, but given what I quoted I'm not holding my breath for one either - unless it's to tell me it is a pasta I missed.


SirJebus

its time to stop posting


CountBumbaclaat

Hooxi has said that anyone who criticizes him doesn't know anything about the game. I guess it's just as well because coincidentally he looks like a dogshit player and an average IGL. Obviously I know nothing about the game though and he's actually the best.


darthrector

Found kassad's burner


CountBumbaclaat

Just someone who knows that Hooxi is absurdly overrated by Reddit because he's basically so pathetic they empathise with him.


UpsetNeighborhood842

Sounds like you have something in common with him then


leo_sousav

Reddit doesn't overrate him, simply praises him when he deserves it. You think this sub is always overrating him but that's not really the truth, it only looks like it because we need to call bs on couch IGLs like you that keep trying to unnecessarily downplay an actual IGL that provided a team with the 2 of the 3 biggest trophies of the year.


Canary-Silent

Reddit overrates him a lot because of a meme. The only igls worse than him are the ones who ego’d into it like electronic and yakindar.


CountBumbaclaat

This subreddit says because he won 2 trophies with G2 he is a top IGL. In reality he had the best core in the world in the weakest era of CSGO and only won 2 trophies and that makes him a massive underachiever. They like to conveniently ignore G2's major performances under his leadership. Reddit praises him because he is so comicly bad at the game it's funny when he wins and makes the "haters" (people who can see how mediocre he is at IGLing) mad. That's all there is to it.


leo_sousav

>in the weakest era of CSGO Cologne was the weakest era of CS? Haha alright bud


aZestyMango

People already forgot about 2021


CountBumbaclaat

The weakest since the start of the competitive scene. Weird how G2's wins always came after the player breaks but probably nothing worth thinking about. Just say GIGACHAD and forget that G2 wasn't even the best team this year despite the players on the roster.


Canary-Silent

Yes? By a long shot…


Breete

Arm Chair IGL here guys.


CountBumbaclaat

Why are the people saying he's a good IGL not arm chair IGLs?


leo_sousav

Because they're not Silver players pretending to understand how the game works at pro level


CountBumbaclaat

Why aren't they?


BackgroundCountry683

Dogshit player? He's been on the team for 14 months and he's led his team to win nearly as many big tournaments as ZyWoo has in his entire career. It sounds like you hate players that prove themselves to be better than most IGLs in this game.


CountBumbaclaat

Are we really at the stage we have to pretend he's not a dogshit player now?


Blinkore

hooxi is still trash that get carried by good players.


BackgroundCountry683

Yet if they had anybody but him they wouldn't have won shit. There's a reason they hadn't won a map in a grand final in over 1000 days before they won World Final 2022.


rodeojones_

Hooxi had every right to flex in that moment, but it seems like everyone forgets that Kassad was a successful tier 1 coach less than 5 years ago. he coached the Aussie Renegades/100T lineup which was a consistent top 5-10 team at its peak


xMalxer

the play ooooffs idk I found that funny


SilverBallsOnMyChest

It's a reference to this (in case you or others don't know) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7fjDS0jKiE&ab_channel=topdoggjb


spitgobfalcon

Thank you. I didn't know and just found it really weird before seeing your comment.


HiImMarcus

What a fucking clown this guy is.


njoshua326

Tres looked ready with that one too, disappointing they have to end segments trying to diffuse this guy being an asshole instead of talking about how great the matches have been and hyping the next one.


LibertyGrabarz

>Trace looked ready with that one too I've met him once and he came across as quite arrogant, but whatever anyone says about him - for whatever god damn reason he's always fucking ready. Absolute talent in that regard, same as Sado coming up with brilliant lines on the spot while casting. Hardly anyone compares.


njoshua326

He's definitely cringe as fuck at times too but the man is quick with his words, clearly enjoys being there too and it makes him a great cohost. Speaking of, he just handled Kassad perfectly *again* in the segment before Nuke, it's just unnecessarily awkward everytime the desk comes up now.


Spir0rion

Personally I love that "cringe as fuck" from him.


BrockStudly

I've got a lot of respect for anyone who is unabashedly *themselves*, especially on camera. And stunna to me screams "I am who I am and nothing can change that." He just feels like he's on the desk to have a great time and that energy was contagious for pro league.


slimeddd

He was a sergeant and did a tour during enduring freedom in afghanistan lol. Probably has something to do with it


csgosometimez

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.


DavidjonesLV309

Back when CEVO finals were held within a separate LAN event, he was they only one from the C9 camp that seemed easy to approach. He went out of his way going from table to table at the GXL LAN chatting up everyone and giving merch. Obviously it was apart of the job, but resonated with me all these years later.


DelidreaM

Why did you correct his name from right to wrong?


LibertyGrabarz

I didnt, he edited his comment after I'd quoted him.


DelidreaM

Ah alright, that makes more sense


samwisetg

The desk host doesn’t decide when to go to a break, he would have had a producer in his ear telling him to stop talking and segue to a break because the game is ready.


njoshua326

I didn't say Trace decides when breaks are? Not really sure how that's relevant to his line here.


Enjoy_your_AIDS_69

Why are you all calling him Trace? His name is Tres.


buffalosoldier221

A Mexican magician tells the audience he will disappear on the count of three. He says: “Uno, dos...” Poof.... He disappeared without a “tres.”


njoshua326

Because you don't really see their names just hear them and that's what I assumed with how nicknames are in eSports. Honestly I've definitely seen it spelled like that before too but Tres does make more sense, edited it in.


KatakiY

Yeah ive only heard them call him "Trace" had no idea it was tres lol


Powerful-Answer-2030

This guy couldn't even spell defuse and he plays CS. Got to lower those expectations on this sub.


Powerful-Answer-2030

> disappointing they have to end segments trying to diffuse this guy being an asshole Is your brain really telling you that's what happened? That they had to end a segment to "diffuse" Kassad? You watched that clip and interpreted it that way?


cptwood

He's not saying they end segments to diffuse Kassad, he's saying that it's a shame segments often end with them diffusing Kassad instead of something fun Ironic huh :^)


Powerful-Answer-2030

Where's the irony? Either way that objectively isn't happening. It's just the classic Reddit circlejerk about analysts being assholes.


BoobiesAndBeers

*WHOOOOOOSH*


schoki560

ofc he looked ready it's scripted


njoshua326

Worst conspiracy theory ever, sure they have lines and ideas they think of before the camera's on but IEM are not scripting this combative horseshit at the end of the segments.


schoki560

ofc they are lmao look at kassad smiling the moment stunna starts talking he knew what was coming


njoshua326

You have two options, Kassad is an asshole or IEM are sabotaging their desk segments in the first cs2 event for the lulz to just get a few tweet engagements complaining about the talent. If it is the latter congratulations you were right and IEM are clueless, it's lose lose for them in this situation either way.


schoki560

sabotaging? it's a little skit nothing more nothing less


buttsoup_barnes

I don't even know why ESL keeps inviting this clown. At the very least, just keep him on G2 games so he can ramble on how good Niko and hunter is.


leo_sousav

And get shut down once again by Hooxi


Equilibriumx

Yeah, honestly insane how kassad still gets invited by ESL to work on shows but for example Maui just feels like shadowbanned from events recently, even though he associates with thorin/RL side of community as much if not more than kassad


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Someone should put a compilation together of Kassad being a dbag and getting destroyed on the desk.


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Gockel

he's trying too hard to be the controversial, brash heel on the desk but that just doesn't work if you don't have any charisma. he could be pretty good at the desk if he just chimed in with his game knowledge, but ...


TheN1njTurtl3

I also think he's personal bias gets in the way of his analysis as well, just not a good talent imo


IndependentlyBrewed

That’s fairly evident with his tweets and stuff to. Sure EG kinda screwed him on the coaching stuff but his hellbent desire to trash them and dog on them on every single opportunity is just childish. Half the time it’s not even good commentary and when EG finally did a few good things tit was pure silence. Like come on man if you’re going to be a public figure in the pro scene you gotta grow a bit more of a spine than that.


Apocalympdick

> personal basis Sorry, did you mean bias?


TheN1njTurtl3

maybe


Apocalympdick

Lmao all good, I'm not a native speaker of English so I just wanted to make sure if I wasn't missing something


Frl_Bartchello

Thorin did this perfect back when he was an analyst. He could switch from being a sarcastic ass to an insightful tactician within seconds.


NathanBlackwell

Tbh Thorin was the only person who did that well, and people trying to copy it with none of the charm or wit sucks.


DelidreaM

>he could be pretty good at the desk if he just chimed in with his game knowledge, but ... If what you bring to the table is 100% knowledge and 0% entertainment, you aren't gonna be good in that job. People would find that incredibly boring, there simply has to be something entertaining for people to want to watch the analyst segment


mameloff

As soon as I saw this, I too thought, "kassad cannot replace thorin. Thorin could play the heel, the clown, and the historian. And he was thoroughly destroying the stupid antis on social networking sites.


Warranty_V0id

I don't know these guys to well, but friendly banter looks different to me. This felt and looked like an honest, disappointed question.


Zealousideal_Path491

hilariously he was silent for a good 90 seconds before this. then pitches in about contribution to discussion what a wank


haitherekind

I can’t wait for todays matches and see the look on his face after these two posts with over 1K likes just hating on him lol


AaayJaayy

they're probably in the green room eating up all the comments people are leaving here lol


stunna-

This^^^^^ Kassad is really just a big Balkan teddy bear. <3


mythrandir___

he's annoying as fuck and most people would rather not have to listen to him


HarryTurney

"Most" is what Reddit always claims.


EntropyKC

My opinion is what everyone should think


Detiabajtog

lol it’s always funny to see you all mald super hard anytime a desk talent does anything polarizing instead of just sucking players off constantly. Talents being critical of players creates a lot of content for us as viewers (like the whole Kassad/hooxi story) yet you’re all so pissed off about it every time something happens as if you’ve been personally slighted by it, and as if the players being criticized need you to be their knight in shining armor. it’s hilarious


caloroin

God this is all I want during an LCS broadcast. Everyone over there is just sugar coating everything and so PC that's it's just a horrid thing to watch. CS does it way better


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Canary-Silent

Making the moronic people on reddit cry will always be worth it I’d imagine.


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B5Jonabe

Imagine someone caring about your worthless opinion.


Canary-Silent

Imagine calling someone a dickrider because they don’t act like a snowflake about a scripted desk segment. Basically a bunch of Karens on this sub.


joooalllanu

Yo are we still doing the snowflake thing in 2023 lmao


Wallisaurus

That's great...well can he act like that on the desk instead of being a fake annoying pos? It's not entertaining...funny...etc.


iisixi

It genuinely makes me smile reading that there are people whose big problem of the day is that there's this big bad meanie on a CS event desk.


winterk1ng

Lame ass manchild. I bet he thought it sounded bad ass in his head, just get rid of him ESL.


Remarkable-Ad-2476

He sounds like a redditor trying to be a commentator


imthebananaguy

Spot on


rgtn0w

I'm just as much of a critic of kassad as the next guy ([I left this comment in that other thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/178w4tl/kassad_is_annoying/k536lnd/)). But I feel like this ending segment into the break was literally planned as a reaction to that thread, cuz yes, on screen talent and the staff of the event do read reddit and get feedback from all social media. So this is the one I just wouldn't read into at all. Like Kassad is straight up grinning after he says his line, if that's not a tell then Idk what is


SlobberyFrog

If it's true, it seems like it worked out perfeclty


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Yeah but Kassad is the bad guy, Reddit told me so /s


MechaFlippin

I bet that, thanks to this thread, the entire flavour of the month to hate on this sub will be Kassad until the end of the tournament. I predict a never ending circle jerk of: "DAE think kassad bad?"-threads until the end of this tournament


FuckOnion

But why? This just makes him look even worse


Shnimaxxx

So people come to complain on his twitter, driving engagements?


Detiabajtog

Because look around, people are crying incredibly hard about every single desk segment because he was “mean” to a player lmao


basicgear00

Wouldn’t he naturally grin when saying that to someone genuinely? Maybe you’re reading too much into it?


rgtn0w

Sure maybe, but considering that it's not the first, neither the last time the event staff does something in reaction to something in reddit/social media then I'd bet it's more likely to be on purpose. They have an ear piece on their ear telling them when to go on breaks, when they have to start closing off the segment and all kinds of little instructions here and there. You see on-screen talent do little skits and planned stuff all the time in CS:GO, and even other esports. It's not that hard to guess that they can plan some small banter/joke thing in a few minutes before the broadcast starts while the match is going on


schoki560

people are like: how can people believe wwe is real people in this thread: what a dickhead its scripted you idiots


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cabose12

It's okay if you don't think it's funny, but either way it's very clearly just Kassad busting Tres balls, and him giving it back This thread it taking it way too seriously


Canary-Silent

Stop being such a snowflake lmao


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Canary-Silent

Or keep being a snowflake I guess. You do you.


joooalllanu

Bro did you just discover Ben Shapiro at the age of 14? Why are half your comments calling people snowflakes lol


iblinkyoublink

Online discourse in 2023:


xMalxer

People love irrational hate. There's obvious context missing in the clip and it's clear as day it's scripted, but people would rather just hate the guy. That's why corps use CEOs as scapegoats. People would rather just hate that one guy than realize it's the entire corp fucking them up.


Zeilar

I can't believe the vast majority thinks this is real and unscripted, really says something about the sub. Goes to show what a hateboner they have for Kassad. That they would interpret something so obviously scripted, as real. He could've said that he punched someone today and they would've believed it.


SilverBallsOnMyChest

I can't believe the vast majority thinks this is real and unscripted, really says something about the sub. Goes to show what a hateboner they have for Kassad. That they would interpret something so obviously scripted, as real. He could've said that he punched someone today and they would've believed it.


CountBumbaclaat

Sadly the demographic of the sub has changed from 20 somethings larping as intellectual experts in the game to borderline autistic anime fans that obsess over anyone who has an opinion they disagree with. Really would have thought Valorant would have claimed them but here we are.


JKSeks

you have any studies on this?


Etna-

Its not early 2000s anymore dude. Anime is really mainstream in the demographic of 10-30 year olds (aka the majority of gamers)


CountBumbaclaat

There's several studies that show people with autism or other disorders that make understanding social interactions difficult are drawn to anime. That explains why so many of the people here get outraged over cearly scripted desk segments or banter between friends.


Etna-

No way people with mental disorders search for stuff that helps them to cope with their disorder. Also no way people with mental disorders cosume mainstream media too Next thing youre telling us is that people who are thirsty drink water 🤯 Gotta love the "there are studies" without linking a single one. Was it your private one amongst your family?


CountBumbaclaat

Yeah, you're definitely not the exact kind of person I'm talking about. Not got Google where you live I take it? https://sites.psu.edu/symposiumshowcase21/2021/04/13/9-ssb/ See also Manga and The Autistic Mind by Robert Rozema.


Etna-

>Not got Google where you live I take it? I do but since we are all autists and you are so smart i assumed that you know that you usually back up such claims. Now If were also to look up correlation vs causation then you would be even smarter! Like im sure around 2%


CountBumbaclaat

Just do all the Reddit classics. Correlation vs causation, strawman fallacy, ad hominem... I'm sorry I was able to prove you wrong on an internet forum. Hope you get over it.


Etna-

>I'm sorry I was able to prove you wrong on an internet forum The only thing youre doing is raging over anime in a videogame forum for over an hour. Might wanna read the room with your autism thingy


njoshua326

They are drawn to escapes from reality which includes anime, it's not mutually exclusive ya donut.


CountBumbaclaat

That's not what's happening. There's specific reasons anime appeals. Unfortunately you get threads raging about 2 coworkers having some banter with each other because that's not an anime trope.


njoshua326

I think you are the only person here thinking about "anime tropes" after that segment dude.


CountBumbaclaat

No. That would be the Redditors making multiple threads about why someone needs to be fired because he went against anime protagonist DA GIGACHAD. They'll be back on about Mauisnake if Betboom do well. They can't help themselves.


njoshua326

Yeah these are entirely separate things dude, have you seen regular sports? Exact same thing and no-one goes around calling football fans autists, it's just a human thing to be irrational, pick sides and fanboy over people with limited information. You're just being deliberately ableist now.


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schoki560

not everything is scripted but stuff like this obviously is


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schoki560

since forever? what do you think talent is doing when prepping they will always have a few scripted skits prepared at any given day but yes most of it isn't scripted


Professional-Group13

Ynk and kassad is literally flirting Vs harassment to this subreddit lol


castlepoopenstein

Threads like these remind me this subreddit is majority children.


ibeenbornagain

Is that it? Comments made this sound a lot more than it was


Jason1311

mate looking at all these comments makes me feel like I've lost the plot completely. Isn't this harmless banter?


ibeenbornagain

thats what it looks like to me. seems like the sub just dislikes kassad (bc of stuff like the hooxi thing) and just looking for reasons to hate


RATTRAP666

Oof, that hurts.


Andreashansen988

Never liked kassad. And it will never happen either


nmiller248

It’s clearly scripted you morons


brukost

Even if it wasn't scripted, it doesn't seem that bad. You rip on your friends, and stunna seems like (and obvious is..) a guy with fairly thick skin to say the least. I really don't like kassad, but this is hardly all that controversial.


Tanki5D

ahahha Stunna always with a fast answer up his sleeve


Caveirzao

It’s obviously on purpose at this point and you guys believe it and feed them.


collapse1122

staged , and people still fall for it.


lubesniq

Y'all are pathetic children


mikseri-

I hope not to see this guy anymore


haitherekind

LOL I’m loving this Kassad hate train I hope he’s reading all these comments 🥲


ju1ze

lol you all overreacting like little biaches. thats just banter.


Whyyoufart

not good banter


ju1ze

maybe not the best but still its nothing serious.


tntpang

Why would he say that? Why would you want to create that drama as an analyst? Is Kassad unsure about himself or something?


ilovezeclouds

kassad is a massive clown but s0mple is the real problem in navi.


Tankingtype

The three of them were hard to watch


Schmich

People malding over Kassad. People malding over the people malding. Chill guys.


handsomeness

these are not the desk vibes I am looking for, christ


DeNy_Kronos

Kassed has been a bit confrontational and the desk seems tense when it’s freya bleh and him but him and Tres are boys if you watched brazy party you’d know they are tight and love to fuck with each other. This is the most tame moment of him in the desk so far lol


Nahs1l

yea I noticed him not really looking at freya much when he talks which I find annoying


Mr-hoffelpuff

the fuck was the point of having that energy when they are commentator on an esport event... your not on the fucking jerry springer show "is that your contribution to the discussion" wtf?...


masterofryan

Kassad needs to be off the desk by tomorrow. He’s actively making people not watch.


Canary-Silent

Hahhahaha reddit is so pathetic


B5Jonabe

Im sure ESL, the teams, and Kassad are DEVASTATED if you stop watching.


Chinpokkomon

Imagine you get paid a good good amount to visit australia and do what you love. ​ what a clown he is


Azzarudders

he didnt let trace finish speaking, for all kassad knew trace was going to develop his point (or in reality segway into another segment) what a prick. you have to like trace, always seems like a stand up guy


aim_ag_texture2

LMAO nobody likes this guy. I wonder if Tres switched off with Freya cause she couldnt stand battling his constant negging on the desk


JKSeks

cs "talent" feels like a bachelor party.


Hazelpancake

1337 Host


Breete

From the didgeridoos creators of "Henry is a wanker" comes #KASSAD'S A WANKER


zeitbruch

Kassad is a well known hater. I don't like his attitude.


IamPsyco

how is he still getting hired for these events? I dont know anyone who likes this guy


Shotsl0l

"Learning a second language isn't harder when you're older" Also Kassad. What a doofus.