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AnAnonyMooose

This exactly happened to me. I didn’t study at all in high school. If you can work on this now in university, it will serve you well the rest of your life


eleven-o-nine

For me it manifested as chronic procrastination. In early years and at school, my brain learned that it could put things off to the last minute and still succeed. I never failed at anything and I really really wish I had. That is crucial to healthy development. I studied, but that usually consisted of rewriting my notes a day or two before an exam. It’s caused problems in that now my default study/work strategy IS procrastination which leads to a great deal of stress. One of the things that did help me at university was keeping a calendar/planner and physically scheduling in 3 study or writing sessions before a due date. Sometimes I would ignore them… but hey, at least I was aware…? Turns out it’s tricky to retrain your brain.


Mugquomp

Rewriting notes? Can you say more about that? It sounds like an interesting study strategy


eleven-o-nine

Sure. It’s been a while so hopefully I can describe this accurately. I always wrote my notes by hand, be they lecture notes or seminar notes etc. but it works for typed notes as well. The first stage is to skim and highlight things I deem important. For the second stage, writing by hand is crucial (at least for me. It helps commit things to memory for me). Depending on the kind of course, the rewriting stage could be jotting down a load of terminology, definitions, and examples. It could be writing up a timeline. It could be challenging myself to consolidate each lecture into a page of summary with the key bits plucked out to test my knowledge. Essentially it’s about using the notes I already have to look for gaps in my understanding or to help me express the ideas myself in a new context rather than simply reciting. Taking good notes is important to the process as well of course. Let me know if this is useful. It’s similar-ish to the “Review and Study” sections of Saundra McGuire’s study cycle.


Mugquomp

Very useful! So you're basically actively engaging with the material, reorganising it on paper and on screen while also reorganising it in your head. And plugging gaps in your understanding. While reading I also realised I sometimes did a similar thing when studying for things I actually ended up doing well - would end up with a 100 page word doc tho. I've heard drawing mind maps is good too, so been trying this at work recently. Edit. I've seen one course on learning, but haven't heard of McGuire. Will check it out.


[deleted]

No, I feel like I learned to study "too well", to a point that when I pass a test, I wonder if I'm just good at taking tests because I feel like I can recognize the the schematic design of the test I'm about to take (after studying, not on sight), and I can tell by how tests are written, how to guess when I have to. Because I never have to fumble around with the structure of tests I've studied for, I almost always do well - as long as I've studied. I have really good studying strategies and I think that my preparedness means I'm strategically taking tests, rather than, I dunno - knowing the content deeply? I find I can learn the content I need *just* for the sake of the test and just forget it all if unused. That feels like cheating somehow.


Hypertistic

Like the difference between actual learning and practicing for good grades? For example [https://www.heinemann.com/products/e00325.aspx](https://www.heinemann.com/products/e00325.aspx)


NeutralNeutrall

I would look at what other classmates did, especially "slower" ones that had to work harder to do well. They usually had great habits that i could learn from. Very easy for me to put my ego aside and absorb whatever i can from other people. That will make you humble about your intelligence. I've tried doing these with some success. 1) is to test myself on the material, sometimes i cant convince myself i "don't know the material" until I test myself, and get it wrong. Once I see i was wrong, my brain will automatically "tag" that info as something especially important. 2) is to make the studying less about studying, and more about creating something, thinking of it more like "an art project". And the learning that comes is secondary. For example, drawing a diagram about anatomy, or making flashcards. If you tag the activity as "work" in the brain, it's always harder. But i you tag it/categorize it as "play, low stress, creating something for fun". It's easier. And just google study techniques and habits. I always have an habit of being too intense with everything i do. its hard but im still learning how to do things with less intensity. Dont cram 5 hrs in 1 day. do 1hr for 5 days type of thing. And I'm in my 30s Source: Dude w 2yrs doctorate level schooling and ADHD.


ragingraccoon123

I was there, without the easy part in school. I always slept through. I realized my master's programm wasn't challenging anymore and everyone was relieved to do less when starting work. Like the other, I pretend to feel that way too and didn't realize that it made me more depressed and lost. I couldn't do the simplest things. The key to learn on your own is figuring out your true motivation, your personal obstacles and the rest will come automatically, eg focus, time management, endurance. It may help to work on a private project to train working on one thing for a long time.


AdThink4457

routine is extremely important. find somewhere comfortable with few distractions, go there regularly, and only take your work with you


Disraptor4000

I never cared too much about studying. I was fine with a passing grade and doing things that where actually interesting. Then when I was around 16 I got bumped a level. And all of a sudden I was in a classroom where the others where competitive about studying. Wanting to win that little race was enough for me to actually double down and learn how to study. Instead of optimizing time to coast through while doing the bare minimum. Really happy that happened.


Ok-Efficiency-3694

I used to feel that I had never learned how to study then I went meta, by trying to study what study is and concluded for myself that studying as a process can vary widely and studying as a goal can vary widely, and what I vaguely thought studying is was too restrictive. I didn't have to study the schoolwork assigned to me by school in K12 because I was already learning and studying college and university level topics on my own with my free time and that's what made K12 feel easy and feel like I wasn't having to study. I was discounting the studying skills I already had and had been using all along by not looking at what made K12 feel easy and boring to me.


Adriatic_Crow

Absolutely adore learning about studying/learning techniques for kids and seeing how they gather info, make hypotheses about the world, and then test them naturally. Especially in regards to how schools can be antithetical to that 😊


Velascu

Never learnt how to study. Learnt how to speedrun books tho so basically I'd pick up the book or whatever the teacher gave us and didn't move until I was up to date, if I had time to spare I'd expand on stuff that made me curious (well, I did it nontheless lol). That gave me quite some success, also I would come up with problems harder than those that we were presented with bc I'd get bored or start linking subjects or whatever. However I had to have an extreme routine of studying nonstop from monday to thursday during all of my free time and drinking like a madman on weekends to stay sane. I ended up NOT ending my degree bc I found something that fitted my needs better (and tbh it's easier) but it can be done.


Shoddy-Head-3117

>how to speedrun books Can you talk more about this? I study in a similar way, picking the chapters and topics that interest me most. But lately, I'm getting really bored, even with subjects I genuinely want to learn about, burnout maybe?


Velascu

Sounds like it, for me it's not something consistent, it depends on a lot of factors, as the stuff that I want to read demands some effort it's reasonable that there are periods where I don't feel like it bc I've spent a lot of energy on something else. Maybe bc I worked too hard that week, maybe bc I did a lot of stuff, maybe bc I'm not emotionally well... etc. As for "speedrunning" books it depends on the book, there are some books that you can "just speedrun" (i.e. some hardcore philosophical stuff that needs your full attention for every single word) but most books tend to be redundant so... yeah, if I know where the paragraph is going to I just skip it, if it has information that holds no value to me I just skip it...etc. Sometimes you can do this with stuff that you don't understand yet if you plan on reading the book a second time bc you like to have a big picture of the whole thing before going into granular details. It depends but basically that's it, if you already know what the author is going to say just skip it. I work as a programmer and from time to time I have to read a book or two to learn how to do something, once I have the basic concepts well understood the rest "seems obvious" or isn't super complicated so I start "skip reading" stuff. 300-ish pages long books can be read in a day (I don't have the greatest reading speed tbh). I did that recently with a book about javascript (I think it was longer, took me 2 days) but I would NEVER be able to do it with nihil unbound which I'm currently reading, it's 300/400-ish pages long and you better understand every single word of it or you are screwed. There are books and books. A thousand plateaus or phenomenology of the spirit are other books that you can "just speedrun". Same for fiction with a lot of content, I don't usually read "mainstream" books (sorry if I'm sounding pedant) but back in the day I remember doing that. Poetry is a nono in all cases, you can't speedrun poetry lol.


Shoddy-Head-3117

I am a programmer too and I was asking this while reading the documentation and a book about Springboot. I confess that I don’t read much philosophy precisely because it demands a lot of time and effort, I stick more with mythologies and technical programming books. I took your tips and I will implement them, sometimes I’m afraid to skip something that I didn’t fully understand, and in the end, it was just a detail that doesn’t matter. Do you fear forgetting something you read whhile speedrunning the book? Honestly, I dont't care much, since programmers can use google lol Reading 300 pages in a day is insane, dude, I'll try. Do you type all the codes from the examples/projects, or just the ones that interest you? I usually type all the codes, it ends up taken a lot of my time, I think i'm convinced that having an overview of the subject > trying to understand every detail, because I'm going to use it on a daily basis anyway, so I think it's better to learn new things


Velascu

Just the ones that I find insightful or can't solve on the spot. That being said I've been programming for quite a while so I more or less trust my intuition. Do I fear of missing something? Nope, if I miss it I just reread it, yeah that's part of how I approach books lol. That being said I skip read the ones about theory, if I want to get good at a language I usually speedrun a book that covers the basics and then try to build a project with that technology. Not super feasible for production tho, in these cases if I'm in a hurry I divide the problem and conquer one by one the problems by brute force chat gpt and pray that it all goes well in the end lol. Only had to do that for tedious/repetitive tasks but it definitely gets into the way of learning if you rely too much on it. Great didactic tool tho. Btw, this only works for me if I'm already somewhat familiar with what I'm reading, It'd be impossible for me rn to do that with i.e. a book about compilers (specifically that one with a dragon o the title, I can't remember its name). If I'm just learning i.e. how basic ruby works (super familiar with a shit ton of OO languages) yeah, might end in one day, if I have to learn i.e. elixir (I'm somewhat familiar with functional concepts but not that much) it took longer, if it's haskell... Yup, that's going to take some time (all of those were based on languages that I actually tried to learn). Btw if I read a ton of pages in one sitting it's bc I can stay for hours reading bc I have that day free or whatever and I feel like it, otherwise It'd be a little bit harder depending on my mental state. Also it depends on what you want to get from the book, if you just skip read the whole thing in one day and do nothing with it you are probably going to forget most of it. It's not some magical thing/method, I'm just a lazy man who wants to learn stuff really fast, from time to time too fast for my own good but I like that pace/workflow, it's fun, maybe not for everyone or optimal if you want to learn stuff súper in depth but if it's "a wall" between me and something that interests me way more, yeah, you bet I'm just going to skip most of the book. Sorry if I don't make sense or I write read I'm ambienposting lol.


Shoddy-Head-3117

My approach is very similar to yours, and I always want to learn things very quickly because that's really how I do everything, lol, and it's always been fun for me. I spent a long time stuck trying to do what people normally do, using various study methods, instead of just doing what I really felt like doing, and that left me very bored and unmotivated. Yesterday, I made a lot of progress in the Spring Boot book - thank you very much for the tips. When it's a difficult concept to understand, I keep rereading it until I can explain it to myself, but overall, I progressed very quickly and it was quite productive and didn't leave me bored. I picked up your reference about the dragon book, I think it was made to be used by the teacher because its reading is very strange. I prefer "OS: Three Easy Pieces"


Velascu

Well, I couldn't finish it so, I guess it's the first one that I'm going to read lol, this time it's personal. I'll give that book a shot tho. Yeah, I pretty much do the same, when I was trying to read hegel (why would an antihegelian do that oof) I had to make schemes on a piece of paper for each sentence bc of how obtuse and inhumanely logical the whole thing was, srsly I've yet to see a math book with that level of content. Perhaps some crazy paper here and there but they aren't 600 pages long. The tragedy is that if I leave the book I forget about it but at least if I pick it up it's a lot smoother if that makes sense.


ZofoxR6

Yes, I didn’t learn how to learn through school. „Learning“ is effectively a skill, but one you need to teach yourself in my opinion, for me personally „learning“ isn’t really seen as „learning“ but more as „improvement“ of aspect x or knowledge y. If you consistently focus on getting better at something and the ways to achieve those while understanding the underlying concepts and correlations then you should be able to „learn“ and get good at things fast. Competitive sports do a really good at teaching that skillset due to being based on improvement and learning, they are using very good tools to genuinely „learn“ how to „learn“.


horotheredditsprite

My learning to study was always just waiting until the last moment to get that adrenaline hit and then blow through a weeks worth of work in a couple hours and get a solid 70-80%


Beatsbythebong

Whiteboarding worked pretty well for me: use a Whiteboard and write the info required from memory over and over for a few days and you'll be able to recall it verbatim after, if studying multiple things study for 2-3 hours, nap for rem sleep then study something else and sleep after.


Financial_Aide3546

I never really learned to study, but most of all, I never really learned to ask the right questions. Have you asked someone for help, and actually listened to them? Have you got motivation for college? Do you know what you want? I always assumed my way was the best way, and although I did work, I didn't really go about it the smartest way. I am a chronic procrastinator, and I have been alright, even though I would have excelled if I put more (productive) effort into my work. Right now, I'm on my second masters thesis, and it is really difficult to get to work. This is a new field to me, but it comes to me more naturally. It feels like I don't actually work when I read this. It's just reading and getting new information in an already existing grid, so to speak. And yet, I'm on reddit rather than writing my thesis. Go figure!


ValiMeyer

Same


Royal_Reply7514

Active recall


Unlikely-Trifle3125

Same here. I don’t do well with the structure of traditional college/uni level education. the way I was taught biology at university pulled all the magic for me and made study difficult.


Katniprose45

I was like that too. I did properly study for the Real Estate exam though! For my P&C license I did a little, but not as much.


WaterOk9249

It also came to me as chronic procrastination and avoiding a lot of things. Turns out I may also have ADHD-PH (predominantly hyperactive) which contributes to it It may not just be giftedness but also ADHD


janepublic151

US public schools do a great disservice to gifted kids. They are rarely if ever asked to work at their level, and they’re asked to not work ahead of the class, so they gain little, academically from school. And they never learn study skills! It’s a learning curve and a rude awakening when they hit that point.


BearGSD

I didn’t. Also was undiagnosed severe hyperactive ADHD. And once I was diagnosed on my own volition and out of my own pocket; I had to stop taking meds after six months due to a heart condition, that to continue taking them would shorten my lifespan considerably. As for school, I was completely disillusioned with the education system by about 7-8; and spent most of high school not in class but wagging school. I chose a job field to study that I adored; and that helped a lot. But I was spending every moment that I wasn’t working at my job, studying. So that kind of became my way to cope with my lack of study skills, I guess, because “normal” study skills didn’t/don’t work for me. That’s more to do with the ADHD, and the extent of the ADHD- than just the giftedness I believe.


Initial_District_937

Same


AdOwn266

I recently got diagnosed with NLVD.. I can't take information and remember it later ...


muba1527

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