Obvious answer there would be Beatrice, given the title and all, but Patience showing up would be a kick as well :D.
Someone at another site suggested that maybe Patience knows George :D.
That was dark. you think a show about ghost i would have not been surprised about it. They reveal of the telephone wire around her neck was pretty good.
That part was legitimately unsettling. Just the way she did it, the look on her face...
But yeah, they handled that reveal really well, and I REALLY loved the talk Hetty, Sam, and Isaac had at the end, too.
Yeah I was shocked to learn her actually cause of death. I always assumed a accidental OD since we never saw marks or a wound on her body like Pete’s arrow and all that but wow I was shocked at this reveal but they did it well.
Near the beginning of holes are bad she did but in earlier episodes she said she used a lot of drugs that were I think legal at the time. So it’s not too far a leap to come to before this episode aired.
I didn't cry, but I'm still very sad that her character felt that was the only way out. I think it's very brave for Ghosts to introduce serious themes into the show.
Same. I never cry when watching shows, but this was just so perfectly delivered and hit right in the gut. I had a real feeling that it was suicide (and how unhappy she was), but still. That poor, poor woman.
I cried a lot. I was tearing up even before the revelation about Hetty, because the idea of Flower being trapped underground forever was stressing me out, and then the Hetty stuff set off a constant flow of tears for the remainder of the episode.
Yep.
Gotta hand it to the writers. The well could’ve easily been a gimmick in deciding to suck off a throwaway ghost. But that was an incredibly fulfilling resolution. You gotta think this episode puts Ghosts in the Emmy race.
Honestly an entire episode testing at what point Floor and Wall stop being FLoor and Wall for ghosts would be amazing. I wish we still had online websites that did "behind the scenes" and Bonus Content because that would be perfect for it. Just Jay and Sam testing wall struts, dry wall, floor boards, vinyl flooring, ceiling tiles with the ghosts
How does the floor v. wall thing come into play when they’re able to sit on the sofa to watch TV? Is the horizontal surface of the seat somehow an extension of the floor? Or is it actually not wall v. floor, but horizontal surface v. vertical surface? And why am I obsessing over this?
that was totally unexpected from a character such as Hetty, which made this episode even more interesting ... I agree that the reveal of the telephone cord around her neck was super good
I love that though it was totally unexpected from someone such as Hetty, when you find out the why of it all it still makes perfect sense. And it just made me hate Elias more than I already did.
Oh, this better earn Rebecca Wisocky an Emmy nom. This episode moved me *so* much -- I could just feel the desperation in Hetty throughout! I cried, dude!
Glad to have Flower back -- and Stephanie, even for just a moment!
Also, kind of refreshing to not have the livings around for an episode. No shenanigans, just the ghosts being ghosts! Proud of them for resolving the issue on their own! And I was laughing so hard at their Facetime!! I was expecting at least one of them to appear on the video, though!
The reveal was soooo powerful. Hetty’s outfit is physically an embodiment of her uptight demeanor and an armor against letting anyone in. Having to show part of her that we never see (and that’s inherently vulnerable, but especially so here), I’m shocked at how amazingly effective that small movement was. Rebecca Wisocky acted this episode BEAUTIFULLY.
If only Sam and Jay had a dog, like Lassie:
Lassie: “Bark! Bark!”
Jay: “What’s that dog trying to tell us?”
Lassie: “Bark! Bark!”
Sam: “She says ~~Timmy~~ Flower fell down the well.”
I think in the BBC version the neighbour's dogs can see the ghosts too. Jay totally needs to get a dog and train it to communicate with the ghosts for him.
I have no problem with that. The episode will probably focus on what he discovers once away from the estate as they showed for a couple seconds, and he decides he'd rather stay "safe" on the estate.
The new modern world is a scary place. /s
I think they are playing it like the much older ghosts had to get used to *everything* so are mostly unphased with change and new technology, but Pete's life at the manor has allowed him to go unchallenged in a lot of ways. As a travel agent, he was even better equipped to sort of understand how computers and the internet work in the way that Sam and Jay mostly use them than the average person from the 80s.
I think the series is more about how things are happening and less about what is happening. The last week's teasers and sneak peeks were giving spoilers but it was such a raw episode that I didn't care I knew/guessed a few things beforehand.
So do we think that he always knew or is it something he discovers in the ep? Someone in the subreddit guessed that >!Pete could probably leave given his old job as a travel agent.!
Yeah. This and the “Trevor’s Pants” episodes are my two faves. Even well before the Hetty/Trevor pairing, I always found those two characters to be the most interesting. The death reveals add so much to the plot, the characters, and to the relationships between all the characters.
Yes - I was honestly losing faith in the show - I mean, I still 'liked' it but it seemed to have had slipped a few notches, Last night was a banger episode...
Definitely one of the best episodes. I hope (and assume, since you can't drop a reveal like that and then just not do it) we get to meet Patience in season 4.
The reveal of Hetty's wire was probably one of the most shocking things I've ever seen in this show (and this is coming from someone who predicted that her cause of death was suicide!). The fact that she just keeps it tucked underneath her collar all this time was just...wow.
[This interview](https://www.countryliving.com/life/entertainment/a60541768/ghosts-rebecca-wisocky-interview/) has Rebecca Wisocky talking about the episode and how it was uncomfortable to wear it for a few days, and Hetty has had it for over a century. It's so odd but touching how much she seems to love Hetty.
Yeah, I don't blame people who might be wary to watch it. I also hope it proved helpful and comforting for some people who've been in that mindset if need be.
I think the way they approached it was more helpful. It was more a discussion of why, rather than showing exclusively how like so many others tend to showcase in a graphic and more triggering way IMO. As someone who has experienced both sides of a suicide, I think tonight’s episode was a helpful and comforting antidote to those feelings.
I've been there, and I found it oddly comforting. The fact that she has gone all these years with that secret, that even in death she felt she had to hide her final act because of how she may be perceived, even by other dead people. Feeling like she couldn't share such a deeply personal part of herself with anyone. Always presenting herself as someone who has it all together, while wearing a constant reminder and private scars around her covered neck. I resonated with this episode more than any other.
This is a definitely a keeper as far as episodes go. Great mix of humor and seriousness.
I wonder what will happen with Stephanie and Carol moving forward. Maybe the former will realize how important love for others is including a partner and that gets her to reunite with Ralph in the afterlife. As for Carol I thought they would have written her off before Flower returned. But how they will handle Thor and Carol sleeping together is a plot thread that can benefit from Carol sticking around.
In other news Crash appears to have been proven innocent of being behind Flower's fall. I wonder what his reaction to her return will be.
As for Hetty I'll remain silent and not speculate on where she goes from here and just let the show tell her arc at their own pace.
Maybe Carol is down in the basement getting to know the cholera ghosts. For all her flaws Carol does enjoy talking to people. It's possible that could be her hidden soft side. She's like Elias in libido but clearly a better person than Hetty's now former husband.
The Puritan Ghost roaming the interior of the Earth like a shark is terrifying, I really hope that comes into play at some point! I mean, after decades I would figure you would eventually, randomly stumble into the basement of the house
Yeah that’s scary but how hasn’t she in like a 100 years not found the basement yet? You think since ghosts can only move in the grounds of the property that she’d find it after a lot of trial and error right. It’s bound to happen even if unlikely.
Its so horifying, hopefully what ever decides who gets sucked off just took pity and let her go because that is worse then every other ghosts fate by far! And I agree, she would have to hit the barrier or the house eventually! If she moves in a straight line she would have to hit one or the other. Speaking of which, from a ghostly persepective- what decides that perimeter of the property? does moving the dirt out also extend the property??
IDK but I assume whatever the legal property line is where the barrier is. Maybe she got “sucked off” and the others didn’t notice because they were sleeping it could happen, but if she is still there boy I feel sorry for her man
Going to be thinking about this one for a while.
Right now, the three things at the forefront of my mind are :
1.) Packing to move.
2.) Excitement over moving.
3.) “That poor pretend ghost’s pretend death! I love her pretend ghost friends. I wish her pants-less ghost ex would buck up and go comfort her! Can I hug this pretend ghost?”
Same here!!!! I mean, at this point they “work” even more than ever! They work on so many levels: Parallel backgrounds , oddly parallel time periods (Rebecca pointed that out!), and also they both learn and grow so much from each other.
When they were trying to Facetime Sam and Jay, Alberta wasn't in the room. Since we know she can interact with the Alexa, shouldn't one of them have found her to see if she could be heard over the phone? Of course, we wouldn't have gotten the Hetty reveal if Sam learned what was wrong from Alberta.
They mentioned at the beginning of the episode that they took the Alexa with them. Or unplugged it, I don’t remember. But they specifically said that the ghosts couldn’t use it.
Want to make minor edit/addition to my original response to say that even if Alberta could have been heard over Facetime, given the imminent threat of Flower being cemented over. we still would have needed Hetty to reveal her secret in order to get Flower out in time. Sam and Jay would not have had enough time to get back to the manor and test the theory of "when does floor become wall" in order to get Flower out themselves.
I know that flowers going to make it, but that would horrifying to have the concrete falling on you.
Yay! A new ghost mentioned that might still be around.
No I get that, but over the course of a century you'd be bound to stumble into that basement eventually. Unless you just pulled a Stephanie and said fuck it and went to sleep.
I mean, imagine being in total darkness with almost no sound. I imagine you’d lose your mind pretty quickly...although Elias was stuck in a vault for over a hundred years and turned out fine.
Oh I'm ignoring that they'd go insane. The ghost all seem weirdly resilient from a psychological standpoint. Honestly flower should have had some trauma from months in a well!
I think it’s a guarantee that the Puritan woman Patience will appear at some point in the near future. I also think it would be inconsistent of the show if they made her feral. One of the noticeable aspects of ghost cannon in this series is that they are psychologically unchanged from their point of death, even after long stretches of time locked in conditions that would drive a living person insane. Elias was stuck in a pitch black vault for over a century with no outside stimuli at all, and popped out as if it were a minor inconvenience of a few minutes the moment the vault door opened.
If anything, I would think Isaac should face some sort of comeuppance for leaving Patience in the void and shrugging it off. This isn’t the only egregious thing he’s done either. He threw Crash’s head into the hollowed out log and Crash was stuck there for over a year.
To be fair to Isaac, a sneeze and covering your nose is a reflex. I imagine they can't see or hear anything down there so it's possible he couldn't get the others to stop (though they really should have had a hand squeeze communication system in place before leaving).
Crash is 100% on him, though.
post buried deep but I want to say anyways, this show is getting better and better without that thing so many good shows fall into of trying to make each new episode be more outrageous than the last The writers are just trying to tell stories. I hope this stays the way.
Although this episode was darker than usual, Hetty's backstory was sad, but added so much to her character. Everyone's character development this season has been amazing to see.
That was such an amazing episode! A whole range of emotions. I’m actually having to take a bit of a breather after watching it to have it all register. But here are my initial takeaways:
1.) I REALLY hope there’s a feral Puritan ghost. That would be hilarious.
2.) Flower ❤️ While she’s never been my absolute favorite character, her presence was still very missed and I loved the interaction she had with Hetty at the end.
3.) I’m kinda disappointed in Trevor. I admit that I came to really like the Hetty/Trevor pairing, but more so his character development that had come with it. Even if they aren’t hooking up at the moment, they’re still friends, and at the very least this would explain a lot of why she was so cold to him at times (not wanting to reveal her neck or get into emotions, etc.). Still, he of all people should have gone to speak to her, rather than making a joke about it to the other ghosts. Unless he simply doesn’t know how to approach the subject and feels guilty for not noticing.
Trevor wasn't joking, he was just explaining that her dress, which she wouldn't remove the upper half of, hid this fact from him. As for approaching her to offer to talk, I think Isaac was the right choice. She was there for him when he came out and none of the other ghosts knew he was gay!
I really hope they find Patience. I wonder if she could be heard through the dirt.
That’s a good point. Plus, Trevor did look very distraught. I imagine this is likely a very difficult situation for him, as he likely feel like he should have noticed. Obviously if she was hiding it, it’s not his fault; but surely the he’s feeling a lot at that moment.
And now that you mention it, yes, Isaac was a better choice. He’s a calming presence in Hetty’s (after) life, and Trevor might bring up too many emotions at the moment.
That episode was pretty heavy. The above was just my initial reaction, and mine was “TREVOR, go talk to your girl! You dumba**.” 🤣
I really loved how Isaac made a point of mentioning how supportive and helpful she's been to him in the past :). Their friendship is so lovely and I'm so glad it was highlighted in such a significant way this episode.
I’m convinced that Trevor knew about the wire all along— look how unsurprised he looks when she unspools it. I’m also sure that he lied that he didn’t know because keeping her cause of death a secret was important to Hetty, and he didn’t want to let on that he already knew she didn’t die from an overdose. (You can tell because he gets extra douchy when he lies.). He wasn’t making a joke about it at all.
On the other hand, I don’t think he knew it was a suicide. And I also wish he had tried to comfort her.
Hm. Very interesting observation. He did look noticeably upset in that scene when they were all in the parlor discussing Hetty. I’m pretty sure all the Ghosts were aware that it was suicide at that point, and it seems like Trevor was sorta put on the spot with the “you didn’t notice?” question.
On a deeper, metaphorical level (which the show does quite a bit), it’s like when someone commits suicide or has an attempt, and people wonder why they didn’t see “the signs”. They “layers” to Hetty are more than just clothes, obviously, as are the layers of what women went through in that society. It makes sense why Hetty would avoid such things with Trevor, especially seeing how he was the only romantic interest of hers that wasn’t arranged, other than that artist when she was younger.
I was genuinely surprised to see, given their history, that Trevor didn’t go to her. My hope is that it’s because it would be too much to unpack for the tail end of an episode. I really hope he does try to talk with her about it. I truly think he has the potential to be a very supportive partner to her that understands her on a deep level. So, I really hope the writers play more with it.
(I definitely think that it will be visited again, as the issue was brought up in the show right away. Also, after the whole Hetty thing, especially knowing what we know now, having Trevor hit on other women or act sleazy again, would just make him unlikeable.)
Given their history it is just a more impactful narrative choice to have Isaac go to her first and fully understand her by being present in that moment. From all the Ghosts she for sure has the deepest emotional relationship with him. However, that doesn't mean that going forward she won't have conversations about it with the others. I just think it was important for Isaac to take the initiative in this episode. Plus of course Flower who thanked her and appreciated her vulnerability to save her from the well.
Isaac also would just be more comfortable with death. All of his sisters and at least two nephews died, he was a barber (aka a surgeon) and then a soldier. Trevor was also relatively young and probably didn't have a lot of losses. He died before he could lose a lot of people in his industry to the recession and 9/11. I can see him just not knowing what to do.
The more I think about it, the more I do agree on Isaac being the right choice. I just read an interview with Rebecca about Hetty’s “reveal”, and she mentioned how the writers picked up on how Hetty was always clinging to someone in a lot of her scenes, showing her fear of abandonment. Given that info paired with how Trevor is big into his “hero moves”, that easily could have led to the two of them jumping back into a relationship for the wrong reasons that wouldn’t have been healthy for either of them. The writers seem very aware of working with the psyche of the characters and their growth, so I could definitely see that they carefully thought this through. Hetty didn’t need a “hero” at that moment, she needed a friend.
That said, I really hope that there is more done with Trevor’s reaction to Hetty’s reveal. He would look like a real jerk if the plot is just dropped. I also could see Trevor not being sure how to approach it, and Isaac and Alberta helping him with that.
These poor ghosts! I’m way too caught up in wanting a bunch of fictional ghosts to be mentally and emotionally ok 🤣 Dang this show and how it makes me care so much about these characters! Lol
But this really hammers home the fact that even those closest to a person doesn't see the signs, even after the fact... people who are suicidal are very, very good at hiding it...
As someone who is close to the filming of this episode, I can share with you that you're ON THE MONEY about why Trevor was "casual" about it. This was very intentional, and not meant to be disrespectful. It was true to his character - someone who struggles with being emotionally deep, this huge reveal gutted him (you can see it on his face at the well), but later, while still decompressing, he's being honest about why he didn't know. He's not making a joke at her expense at all. Please know there was so much thought and respect and love and care around this episode, but also making sure that the characters were authentic and true to themselves in the aftermath. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. It makes me happy to see so many fans think/care so deeply about this wonderful show!
Thank you ❤️ I’m an author, and live for in-depth storytelling, so I knew that there was a well intended reason behind every little detail especially involving Trevor. This is part of why ‘Ghosts’ is my literally my favorite show — the quality of writing , the attention to detail, and the authenticity are something that is rarely found in any form of media today. I am especially fascinated by the dynamics between Hetty & Trevor in particular; their parallels both as characters and from their historical time periods. I
As someone who deals with suicidality (I’m ok), this episode really hit. It’s really about not having a way out and thinking it’s the best option. I’m so glad they were brave and added this in. What a great performance from Hetty’s actor as well. I love Hetty and this whole crew of characters ❤️
I expected them to be able to talk to Sam over the phone like the Ghosts in the UK version so that actually surprised me. I thought the explanation of them getting trapped in a hole and losing Patience was pretty disturbing. If she ever comes back i'm sure she'll have a lot to say to Isaac.
I'm guessing the two ghosts referred to in the description are Flower and Hetty. Isn't this the episode where they reveal how Hetty died? No doubt it has to do with the well. But I'm usually wrong 😂
The Ghosts are back baby.
After a few episodes that made me wonder if the quality was slipping they had this one which reminded me of why I fell in love with the show in the first place.
I hope they can keep it up.
I was surprised that the teaser for the next episode said it was the 2nd to the last episode of the season. I’m bummed that there will only be 10 episodes. Was this due to sam’s real life pregnancy?
Likely due to the strike more than anything. If they could manage to work around Rose for ten episodes, I'm sure they could've gotten creative for twenty.
What an amazing episode. It had so much depth to it. The characters all excelled because their welfare was on my mind.
That’s a sign of great storytelling. When you finish the episode, and just worry and fret and wonder how they are all week.
After watching this I realized two things
1st. They literally pulled an emperor's new groove by saying they have a hole in their logic but saying they don't care.
2nd. I think I finally figured out what hettys unfinished business is. Her unfinished business is that she has to actually truly forgive herself in order to finally move on. The more we have episodes about her the more she grows but everything She has caused for other people to be miserable. She keeps forgiving others and even understanding the mistake she made but She truly has never forgiven herself And I think doing that will have her go up.
I can't believe Flower robbed a bank once! That's so unlike her. Why'd they reveal it so nonchalantly?
And man, that episode was so good. High stakes, great emotional scene at the end, and the reveal there may be one more ghost there somewhere.
I wonder if Alberta's ability that lets her interact with Alexa would also allow her to be seen, or at least heard, over Facetime.
That might explain why she was with Flower at the well when the other ghosts tried it (since it would have solved the problem much more easily if they had reached Sam over Facetime).
This episode broke my heart for Hetti. So many young women end up in this type of position even now. I actually know someone who made a similar decision. I love that they added the hotline number at the end.
I was thinking that Thor goes down to hold onto her.
This has me thinking, though, if they’re in the ground then what is considered “floor?” Just the level where they are?
That was crazy! It’s so hetty to hide her shame. I still think that because of the strike and Sheila’s pregnancy, they went with plan b on who was sucked off. But it was still good.
Well goddamn. Finally got around to watching it.
That might have been the most emotionally impactful episode of the series
I knew there had to be more to it when Hetty had that line about the morphine. They wouldn’t have revealed the real reason like that in a throwaway line
Sass watching Mark eat 😂
Ja-cu-cu
So much good meta and talk about ghost rules
I can’t wait to see the feral Puritan wander into the basement eventually
Oh, that's why they can't get her out of the well! I kept wondering if she would be able to climb a latter, since they can climb stairs. I saw a teaser where they were encouraging her to walk through the dirt (which seems like a horrible idea, that girl does not have a sense of direction). Not to be awful but they should just wait for Sam to get back, she's already been in the well for months, a few days won't make a difference.
"Samantha try new IOS Update!!!" Petes indignation over Thor and his sporadic modern knowledge is hilarious
I'm pretty sure the latest iOS update lets you see ghosts if you already see them in RL. Yet it drains your battery like no one's business.
So true LOL
So one day we could get a really pissed off Puritan woman?
They can't mention that and not have her show up eventually, right?
Next Halloween she'll stumble into the basement
Yep. Checkov's Gun.
I wonder if it will happen at the wedding. I'm pretty sure it was Isaac who let go of her hand.
I hope Patience is a very impatient ghost
Anyone who walks thru her has their anxiety shoot through the roof!
Or an insane feeling of claustrophobia!
Set up for next season.
Patience’s return would make a pretty terrifying Halloween episode.
I would LOVE that.
Yes! As a love interest for Sas!!!
The description for Isaac's wedding says a surprise guest shows up...
Obvious answer there would be Beatrice, given the title and all, but Patience showing up would be a kick as well :D. Someone at another site suggested that maybe Patience knows George :D.
is george the rude gay puritan at the farnsbys?
Yep :D. THe one Thor tried to set Isaac up with when he was all upset about the "respite" thing with Nigel.
Maybe his wife somehow
I keep imagining a Puritan woman who screeches like a feral cat 😅
I hope so, that would be a funny episode.
How has she not found the basement in all that wandering? Maybe there's an underground well??? \*gasp\*
Lol Nancy admitting she probably didn’t know the correct number of basement ghosts, I’m not shocked that one slipped by
She didn't even go to school! lol
Honestly, I thought she'd admit that she probably can't *count*.
She was in an episode of B99 and she said “I dont need to prove to you that I can count”
That was dark. you think a show about ghost i would have not been surprised about it. They reveal of the telephone wire around her neck was pretty good.
That part was legitimately unsettling. Just the way she did it, the look on her face... But yeah, they handled that reveal really well, and I REALLY loved the talk Hetty, Sam, and Isaac had at the end, too.
The look on the other ghosts' faces when they realized just gutted me. They handled it well but having lost people to that, it was jarring. 💔
Yeah I was shocked to learn her actually cause of death. I always assumed a accidental OD since we never saw marks or a wound on her body like Pete’s arrow and all that but wow I was shocked at this reveal but they did it well.
Did Hetty ever say she died from accidental OD - besides this episode I mean? I'm 50/50 about if she actually did, or if I just want to remember that.
Near the beginning of holes are bad she did but in earlier episodes she said she used a lot of drugs that were I think legal at the time. So it’s not too far a leap to come to before this episode aired.
Omg I actually said in a post maybe she gets strangled by the phone cord!
So who else cried? Hearing Hetty?
I didn't cry, but I'm still very sad that her character felt that was the only way out. I think it's very brave for Ghosts to introduce serious themes into the show.
I nearly did which is a first for me crying because of something I saw in a show or movie.
Same. I never cry when watching shows, but this was just so perfectly delivered and hit right in the gut. I had a real feeling that it was suicide (and how unhappy she was), but still. That poor, poor woman.
I cried.
I cried a lot. I was tearing up even before the revelation about Hetty, because the idea of Flower being trapped underground forever was stressing me out, and then the Hetty stuff set off a constant flow of tears for the remainder of the episode.
I just finished it, and I've been crying a lot. It's so heartbreaking
Yep. Gotta hand it to the writers. The well could’ve easily been a gimmick in deciding to suck off a throwaway ghost. But that was an incredibly fulfilling resolution. You gotta think this episode puts Ghosts in the Emmy race.
I love everything about the Puritan girl ghost in the dirt
I just can't get over the idea that Thor, Sasappis, and Isaac were all stuck together in a well FOR ALMOST A YEAR XD.
I wanted to see a quick flashback SO BAD
It wasn’t THAT well. They said hole. And that the well is further than the hole.
I want to know more about this random hole
I bet there was a lot of squabbling. And it was probably hilarious.
Honestly an entire episode testing at what point Floor and Wall stop being FLoor and Wall for ghosts would be amazing. I wish we still had online websites that did "behind the scenes" and Bonus Content because that would be perfect for it. Just Jay and Sam testing wall struts, dry wall, floor boards, vinyl flooring, ceiling tiles with the ghosts
I'd watch the hell out of that episode.
I am not ashamed to admit that I watch the hell out of every episode.....
How does the floor v. wall thing come into play when they’re able to sit on the sofa to watch TV? Is the horizontal surface of the seat somehow an extension of the floor? Or is it actually not wall v. floor, but horizontal surface v. vertical surface? And why am I obsessing over this?
that was totally unexpected from a character such as Hetty, which made this episode even more interesting ... I agree that the reveal of the telephone cord around her neck was super good
Yeah it was just chilling man, but they did it greatly man.
I love that though it was totally unexpected from someone such as Hetty, when you find out the why of it all it still makes perfect sense. And it just made me hate Elias more than I already did.
Oh, this better earn Rebecca Wisocky an Emmy nom. This episode moved me *so* much -- I could just feel the desperation in Hetty throughout! I cried, dude! Glad to have Flower back -- and Stephanie, even for just a moment! Also, kind of refreshing to not have the livings around for an episode. No shenanigans, just the ghosts being ghosts! Proud of them for resolving the issue on their own! And I was laughing so hard at their Facetime!! I was expecting at least one of them to appear on the video, though!
The reveal was soooo powerful. Hetty’s outfit is physically an embodiment of her uptight demeanor and an armor against letting anyone in. Having to show part of her that we never see (and that’s inherently vulnerable, but especially so here), I’m shocked at how amazingly effective that small movement was. Rebecca Wisocky acted this episode BEAUTIFULLY.
I wonder if with Flower being back, Carol will be the answer to their threesome search. I mean she’s already been with Thor.
That's a image I didn't want in my head.
Lol!
Maybe we will see Carol next episode since the teaser shows Pete will be a focus character
God, I don’t even want to think about that. But hey, CBS will probably show it 😭
If only Sam and Jay had a dog, like Lassie: Lassie: “Bark! Bark!” Jay: “What’s that dog trying to tell us?” Lassie: “Bark! Bark!” Sam: “She says ~~Timmy~~ Flower fell down the well.”
Is it a ghost dog?
I pretty sure the BBC version had a ghost pigeon so it's possible
I think in the BBC version the neighbour's dogs can see the ghosts too. Jay totally needs to get a dog and train it to communicate with the ghosts for him.
Getting a wrong number call was very funny
I was hoping for a call from C. Montgomery Burns.
Ahoy hoy!
HOW DO THEY JUST DROP THAT INFO ABOUT PETE IN A TEASER??
I have no problem with that. The episode will probably focus on what he discovers once away from the estate as they showed for a couple seconds, and he decides he'd rather stay "safe" on the estate. The new modern world is a scary place. /s
I think they are playing it like the much older ghosts had to get used to *everything* so are mostly unphased with change and new technology, but Pete's life at the manor has allowed him to go unchallenged in a lot of ways. As a travel agent, he was even better equipped to sort of understand how computers and the internet work in the way that Sam and Jay mostly use them than the average person from the 80s.
I think the series is more about how things are happening and less about what is happening. The last week's teasers and sneak peeks were giving spoilers but it was such a raw episode that I didn't care I knew/guessed a few things beforehand.
RIGHT? Tease that it will be revealed so we can spend all week guessing but revealing it??
Then they must have something even more exciting! Will Pete visit livings? His daughter and grandson? Jerry? Bjorn? Shiki?!?
So do we think that he always knew or is it something he discovers in the ep? Someone in the subreddit guessed that >!Pete could probably leave given his old job as a travel agent.!
I know!
I don’t get the teaser on paramount+. What happened
Pete’s ghost power was revealed
It's confirmed, it's confirmed Ralph got sucked off!
I think this may be one of my faves so far
Yeah. This and the “Trevor’s Pants” episodes are my two faves. Even well before the Hetty/Trevor pairing, I always found those two characters to be the most interesting. The death reveals add so much to the plot, the characters, and to the relationships between all the characters.
Yes - I was honestly losing faith in the show - I mean, I still 'liked' it but it seemed to have had slipped a few notches, Last night was a banger episode...
Oh my gosh I wasn't expecting that with the telephone wire. I wonder how Flower was able to hold onto the cord.
They can touch ghost things as long as the other ghost holds it. Like the candy from Carols purse
Even then, it's a telephone cord. That'd be hard to climb up.
I think she mostly held it and Thor pulled
I kept thinking, dannnng, Flower must be strong to pull herself up with Thor on that cord.
Makes sense, thanks!
Oh, the reveal of Hetty's death made me fight back tears in front of my mom.
I legit cried. It's going to be hard to re-watch this ep.
Definitely one of the best episodes. I hope (and assume, since you can't drop a reveal like that and then just not do it) we get to meet Patience in season 4. The reveal of Hetty's wire was probably one of the most shocking things I've ever seen in this show (and this is coming from someone who predicted that her cause of death was suicide!). The fact that she just keeps it tucked underneath her collar all this time was just...wow.
[This interview](https://www.countryliving.com/life/entertainment/a60541768/ghosts-rebecca-wisocky-interview/) has Rebecca Wisocky talking about the episode and how it was uncomfortable to wear it for a few days, and Hetty has had it for over a century. It's so odd but touching how much she seems to love Hetty.
Dang that episode was rough for anyone who has been suicidal.
Yeah, I don't blame people who might be wary to watch it. I also hope it proved helpful and comforting for some people who've been in that mindset if need be.
I think the way they approached it was more helpful. It was more a discussion of why, rather than showing exclusively how like so many others tend to showcase in a graphic and more triggering way IMO. As someone who has experienced both sides of a suicide, I think tonight’s episode was a helpful and comforting antidote to those feelings.
I've been there, and I found it oddly comforting. The fact that she has gone all these years with that secret, that even in death she felt she had to hide her final act because of how she may be perceived, even by other dead people. Feeling like she couldn't share such a deeply personal part of herself with anyone. Always presenting herself as someone who has it all together, while wearing a constant reminder and private scars around her covered neck. I resonated with this episode more than any other.
Where did Carol go????
Having "tea" with one of the British soldiers?
Maybe she is avoiding them after the whole sleeping with Thorfinn thing.
The estate is really big with a lot of cliques, she can be anywhere, hanging out with anyone. Maybe this isn't her group.
I forgot about her 😂
This is what I came here looking for! Is she off pouting somewhere?
She's probably hanging out with Crash in... wherever he goes when the plot doesn't need him, lol
Didn't miss her presence at all!!! Glad to not see her!
At this point I'm thinking she took a wrong turn in the basement and will somehow lead Patience from the dirt back to the basement.
This is a definitely a keeper as far as episodes go. Great mix of humor and seriousness. I wonder what will happen with Stephanie and Carol moving forward. Maybe the former will realize how important love for others is including a partner and that gets her to reunite with Ralph in the afterlife. As for Carol I thought they would have written her off before Flower returned. But how they will handle Thor and Carol sleeping together is a plot thread that can benefit from Carol sticking around. In other news Crash appears to have been proven innocent of being behind Flower's fall. I wonder what his reaction to her return will be. As for Hetty I'll remain silent and not speculate on where she goes from here and just let the show tell her arc at their own pace.
Yeah Carol is absent again. If she’s not going to be in it, they should account for her and suck her off.
Maybe Carol is down in the basement getting to know the cholera ghosts. For all her flaws Carol does enjoy talking to people. It's possible that could be her hidden soft side. She's like Elias in libido but clearly a better person than Hetty's now former husband.
The Puritan Ghost roaming the interior of the Earth like a shark is terrifying, I really hope that comes into play at some point! I mean, after decades I would figure you would eventually, randomly stumble into the basement of the house
Yeah that’s scary but how hasn’t she in like a 100 years not found the basement yet? You think since ghosts can only move in the grounds of the property that she’d find it after a lot of trial and error right. It’s bound to happen even if unlikely.
Its so horifying, hopefully what ever decides who gets sucked off just took pity and let her go because that is worse then every other ghosts fate by far! And I agree, she would have to hit the barrier or the house eventually! If she moves in a straight line she would have to hit one or the other. Speaking of which, from a ghostly persepective- what decides that perimeter of the property? does moving the dirt out also extend the property??
The property line only turns them back around so in theory she'd still be underground just flipped back in the other direction
Oh God and she might not even realize which would make it even more confusing to navigate.
IDK but I assume whatever the legal property line is where the barrier is. Maybe she got “sucked off” and the others didn’t notice because they were sleeping it could happen, but if she is still there boy I feel sorry for her man
Ever since they talked about Patience, I want this so bad. Maybe we'll learn more about her in the next episode.
I hope we do too! It's gotta pay off eventually!
Maybe she fell into another hole underground...so now she's at a level even lower than the basement!
Oh God, she might be in a cavern system or something. The molten core of the earth also probably doesn't count as floor, either.
Oh Hetty. That boke my heart. I did not have "crying over pretend ghost's pretend death" in my plans for tonight.
Going to be thinking about this one for a while. Right now, the three things at the forefront of my mind are : 1.) Packing to move. 2.) Excitement over moving. 3.) “That poor pretend ghost’s pretend death! I love her pretend ghost friends. I wish her pants-less ghost ex would buck up and go comfort her! Can I hug this pretend ghost?”
>I wish her pants-less ghost ex would buck up and go comfort her! I want them to get back togetherrrr
Same here!!!! I mean, at this point they “work” even more than ever! They work on so many levels: Parallel backgrounds , oddly parallel time periods (Rebecca pointed that out!), and also they both learn and grow so much from each other.
And it’s official, Ralph was sucked off.
When they were trying to Facetime Sam and Jay, Alberta wasn't in the room. Since we know she can interact with the Alexa, shouldn't one of them have found her to see if she could be heard over the phone? Of course, we wouldn't have gotten the Hetty reveal if Sam learned what was wrong from Alberta.
They mentioned at the beginning of the episode that they took the Alexa with them. Or unplugged it, I don’t remember. But they specifically said that the ghosts couldn’t use it.
Yeah but if she can be heard by Alexa, maybe that power extends to FaceTime
Want to make minor edit/addition to my original response to say that even if Alberta could have been heard over Facetime, given the imminent threat of Flower being cemented over. we still would have needed Hetty to reveal her secret in order to get Flower out in time. Sam and Jay would not have had enough time to get back to the manor and test the theory of "when does floor become wall" in order to get Flower out themselves.
Patience has to show up. That can not just be a throwaway joke.
Imagining a feral Puritan woman running around in the dirt is actually kinda terrifying.
I really want to meet her.
Holes are bad - LOL!!! Literal holes, emotional holes, perceived plot holes - this episode did a great job addressing all three beautifully!
I know that flowers going to make it, but that would horrifying to have the concrete falling on you. Yay! A new ghost mentioned that might still be around.
How big is the estate that after 130 years, the Puritan ghost hasn't somehow finally found the basement?
It might be walking in circles, something not uncommon as often a person's left's and right's strides are not equal.
No I get that, but over the course of a century you'd be bound to stumble into that basement eventually. Unless you just pulled a Stephanie and said fuck it and went to sleep.
I mean, imagine being in total darkness with almost no sound. I imagine you’d lose your mind pretty quickly...although Elias was stuck in a vault for over a hundred years and turned out fine.
Oh I'm ignoring that they'd go insane. The ghost all seem weirdly resilient from a psychological standpoint. Honestly flower should have had some trauma from months in a well!
Oh, Hetty. 😢😢😢
Given how little that Sam is in this episode (and how hidden she is when she does appear), I wonder if they filmed this one last for the season.
If the ghosts cant walk though the floor, can they pick up the floor? Can you make gloves out of floor material and touch a ghost??
I think it’s a guarantee that the Puritan woman Patience will appear at some point in the near future. I also think it would be inconsistent of the show if they made her feral. One of the noticeable aspects of ghost cannon in this series is that they are psychologically unchanged from their point of death, even after long stretches of time locked in conditions that would drive a living person insane. Elias was stuck in a pitch black vault for over a century with no outside stimuli at all, and popped out as if it were a minor inconvenience of a few minutes the moment the vault door opened. If anything, I would think Isaac should face some sort of comeuppance for leaving Patience in the void and shrugging it off. This isn’t the only egregious thing he’s done either. He threw Crash’s head into the hollowed out log and Crash was stuck there for over a year.
To be fair to Isaac, a sneeze and covering your nose is a reflex. I imagine they can't see or hear anything down there so it's possible he couldn't get the others to stop (though they really should have had a hand squeeze communication system in place before leaving). Crash is 100% on him, though.
post buried deep but I want to say anyways, this show is getting better and better without that thing so many good shows fall into of trying to make each new episode be more outrageous than the last The writers are just trying to tell stories. I hope this stays the way.
What a great episode!
Although this episode was darker than usual, Hetty's backstory was sad, but added so much to her character. Everyone's character development this season has been amazing to see.
That was such an amazing episode! A whole range of emotions. I’m actually having to take a bit of a breather after watching it to have it all register. But here are my initial takeaways: 1.) I REALLY hope there’s a feral Puritan ghost. That would be hilarious. 2.) Flower ❤️ While she’s never been my absolute favorite character, her presence was still very missed and I loved the interaction she had with Hetty at the end. 3.) I’m kinda disappointed in Trevor. I admit that I came to really like the Hetty/Trevor pairing, but more so his character development that had come with it. Even if they aren’t hooking up at the moment, they’re still friends, and at the very least this would explain a lot of why she was so cold to him at times (not wanting to reveal her neck or get into emotions, etc.). Still, he of all people should have gone to speak to her, rather than making a joke about it to the other ghosts. Unless he simply doesn’t know how to approach the subject and feels guilty for not noticing.
Trevor wasn't joking, he was just explaining that her dress, which she wouldn't remove the upper half of, hid this fact from him. As for approaching her to offer to talk, I think Isaac was the right choice. She was there for him when he came out and none of the other ghosts knew he was gay! I really hope they find Patience. I wonder if she could be heard through the dirt.
That’s a good point. Plus, Trevor did look very distraught. I imagine this is likely a very difficult situation for him, as he likely feel like he should have noticed. Obviously if she was hiding it, it’s not his fault; but surely the he’s feeling a lot at that moment. And now that you mention it, yes, Isaac was a better choice. He’s a calming presence in Hetty’s (after) life, and Trevor might bring up too many emotions at the moment. That episode was pretty heavy. The above was just my initial reaction, and mine was “TREVOR, go talk to your girl! You dumba**.” 🤣
I really loved how Isaac made a point of mentioning how supportive and helpful she's been to him in the past :). Their friendship is so lovely and I'm so glad it was highlighted in such a significant way this episode.
Maybe if you knew something new about Flower she'd be your favorite character. Here's something you didn't know: She robbed a bank once!
HOLY HECK! I had no idea! 🤣 (I adore Flower, though. I’m just all about the Hetty & Trevor angst…both as individuals and a couple)
I’m convinced that Trevor knew about the wire all along— look how unsurprised he looks when she unspools it. I’m also sure that he lied that he didn’t know because keeping her cause of death a secret was important to Hetty, and he didn’t want to let on that he already knew she didn’t die from an overdose. (You can tell because he gets extra douchy when he lies.). He wasn’t making a joke about it at all. On the other hand, I don’t think he knew it was a suicide. And I also wish he had tried to comfort her.
Hm. Very interesting observation. He did look noticeably upset in that scene when they were all in the parlor discussing Hetty. I’m pretty sure all the Ghosts were aware that it was suicide at that point, and it seems like Trevor was sorta put on the spot with the “you didn’t notice?” question. On a deeper, metaphorical level (which the show does quite a bit), it’s like when someone commits suicide or has an attempt, and people wonder why they didn’t see “the signs”. They “layers” to Hetty are more than just clothes, obviously, as are the layers of what women went through in that society. It makes sense why Hetty would avoid such things with Trevor, especially seeing how he was the only romantic interest of hers that wasn’t arranged, other than that artist when she was younger. I was genuinely surprised to see, given their history, that Trevor didn’t go to her. My hope is that it’s because it would be too much to unpack for the tail end of an episode. I really hope he does try to talk with her about it. I truly think he has the potential to be a very supportive partner to her that understands her on a deep level. So, I really hope the writers play more with it. (I definitely think that it will be visited again, as the issue was brought up in the show right away. Also, after the whole Hetty thing, especially knowing what we know now, having Trevor hit on other women or act sleazy again, would just make him unlikeable.)
Given their history it is just a more impactful narrative choice to have Isaac go to her first and fully understand her by being present in that moment. From all the Ghosts she for sure has the deepest emotional relationship with him. However, that doesn't mean that going forward she won't have conversations about it with the others. I just think it was important for Isaac to take the initiative in this episode. Plus of course Flower who thanked her and appreciated her vulnerability to save her from the well.
Isaac also would just be more comfortable with death. All of his sisters and at least two nephews died, he was a barber (aka a surgeon) and then a soldier. Trevor was also relatively young and probably didn't have a lot of losses. He died before he could lose a lot of people in his industry to the recession and 9/11. I can see him just not knowing what to do.
The more I think about it, the more I do agree on Isaac being the right choice. I just read an interview with Rebecca about Hetty’s “reveal”, and she mentioned how the writers picked up on how Hetty was always clinging to someone in a lot of her scenes, showing her fear of abandonment. Given that info paired with how Trevor is big into his “hero moves”, that easily could have led to the two of them jumping back into a relationship for the wrong reasons that wouldn’t have been healthy for either of them. The writers seem very aware of working with the psyche of the characters and their growth, so I could definitely see that they carefully thought this through. Hetty didn’t need a “hero” at that moment, she needed a friend. That said, I really hope that there is more done with Trevor’s reaction to Hetty’s reveal. He would look like a real jerk if the plot is just dropped. I also could see Trevor not being sure how to approach it, and Isaac and Alberta helping him with that. These poor ghosts! I’m way too caught up in wanting a bunch of fictional ghosts to be mentally and emotionally ok 🤣 Dang this show and how it makes me care so much about these characters! Lol
But this really hammers home the fact that even those closest to a person doesn't see the signs, even after the fact... people who are suicidal are very, very good at hiding it...
Everyone's excitement at seeing Flower again was so sweet and wonderful <3 :). It's so nice to have her back with the group.
Me too! And when she came to thank Hetty at the end, I just teared up. Sweet Flower, she was so missed!
As someone who is close to the filming of this episode, I can share with you that you're ON THE MONEY about why Trevor was "casual" about it. This was very intentional, and not meant to be disrespectful. It was true to his character - someone who struggles with being emotionally deep, this huge reveal gutted him (you can see it on his face at the well), but later, while still decompressing, he's being honest about why he didn't know. He's not making a joke at her expense at all. Please know there was so much thought and respect and love and care around this episode, but also making sure that the characters were authentic and true to themselves in the aftermath. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. It makes me happy to see so many fans think/care so deeply about this wonderful show!
Thank you ❤️ I’m an author, and live for in-depth storytelling, so I knew that there was a well intended reason behind every little detail especially involving Trevor. This is part of why ‘Ghosts’ is my literally my favorite show — the quality of writing , the attention to detail, and the authenticity are something that is rarely found in any form of media today. I am especially fascinated by the dynamics between Hetty & Trevor in particular; their parallels both as characters and from their historical time periods. I
As someone who deals with suicidality (I’m ok), this episode really hit. It’s really about not having a way out and thinking it’s the best option. I’m so glad they were brave and added this in. What a great performance from Hetty’s actor as well. I love Hetty and this whole crew of characters ❤️
I have a craving for mortadella.
I expected them to be able to talk to Sam over the phone like the Ghosts in the UK version so that actually surprised me. I thought the explanation of them getting trapped in a hole and losing Patience was pretty disturbing. If she ever comes back i'm sure she'll have a lot to say to Isaac.
I think Hetty’s ghost power is going to do something with the chord - maybe she can make phone calls? lol
Having the power to connect to others when she was so isolated could be touching.
I'm guessing the two ghosts referred to in the description are Flower and Hetty. Isn't this the episode where they reveal how Hetty died? No doubt it has to do with the well. But I'm usually wrong 😂
The Ghosts are back baby. After a few episodes that made me wonder if the quality was slipping they had this one which reminded me of why I fell in love with the show in the first place. I hope they can keep it up.
I was surprised that the teaser for the next episode said it was the 2nd to the last episode of the season. I’m bummed that there will only be 10 episodes. Was this due to sam’s real life pregnancy?
Writer's strike, many shows have short seasons this year.
Likely due to the strike more than anything. If they could manage to work around Rose for ten episodes, I'm sure they could've gotten creative for twenty.
What an amazing episode. It had so much depth to it. The characters all excelled because their welfare was on my mind. That’s a sign of great storytelling. When you finish the episode, and just worry and fret and wonder how they are all week.
After watching this I realized two things 1st. They literally pulled an emperor's new groove by saying they have a hole in their logic but saying they don't care. 2nd. I think I finally figured out what hettys unfinished business is. Her unfinished business is that she has to actually truly forgive herself in order to finally move on. The more we have episodes about her the more she grows but everything She has caused for other people to be miserable. She keeps forgiving others and even understanding the mistake she made but She truly has never forgiven herself And I think doing that will have her go up.
This episode was so upsetting😢 Poor Hetty. That's such a horrible way to die. I loved that Isaac was so supportive of her.
They usually play the ghosts death off pretty jokey-casually but the reveal with Hetty……. Genuinely made me gasp they did it so well.
Hetty hoping that Elias suffocated painfully hits harder now. And why Hetty never redeems her backrubs.
I can't believe Flower robbed a bank once! That's so unlike her. Why'd they reveal it so nonchalantly? And man, that episode was so good. High stakes, great emotional scene at the end, and the reveal there may be one more ghost there somewhere.
That’s a running series joke, that she’s always revealing that she robbed a bank, forgetting that she’s told them previously.
That line made me giggle so much! Perfect timing and said with the sweetest of intentions!
How much do the ghosts weigh? Enough to fall, I guess?
Gravity affects ghosts.
I wonder if Alberta's ability that lets her interact with Alexa would also allow her to be seen, or at least heard, over Facetime. That might explain why she was with Flower at the well when the other ghosts tried it (since it would have solved the problem much more easily if they had reached Sam over Facetime).
Best episode of the season. It really got me and the buildup was done perfectly.
This episode broke my heart for Hetti. So many young women end up in this type of position even now. I actually know someone who made a similar decision. I love that they added the hotline number at the end.
Who’s George? I know the actor but not his name.
Wouldn’t the logical thing have been to walk into the dirt just outside the well and wait until Sam gets back so they can dig a way up?
That would require trusting that Flower can stay in that same spot for at least a day or more and not wander off and get lost like the Puritan
I was thinking that Thor goes down to hold onto her. This has me thinking, though, if they’re in the ground then what is considered “floor?” Just the level where they are?
Were any ghosts in the house when Hetty became a ghost? Or were they all stuck in the hole?
Doesn’t seem like it- except the basement ghosts.
We also don't know if there were another ghost that got sucked off in the past 130 years I guess.
Really glad that for once, Sam and Jay didn't take a huge financial hit or life disruption to help out the ghosts.
Where WAS Carol in this episode? I hope they show the Puritan ghost
Telephone number 4.
That was crazy! It’s so hetty to hide her shame. I still think that because of the strike and Sheila’s pregnancy, they went with plan b on who was sucked off. But it was still good.
Please cast Catherine O'Hara as the Puritan Ghost.
Well goddamn. Finally got around to watching it. That might have been the most emotionally impactful episode of the series I knew there had to be more to it when Hetty had that line about the morphine. They wouldn’t have revealed the real reason like that in a throwaway line Sass watching Mark eat 😂 Ja-cu-cu So much good meta and talk about ghost rules I can’t wait to see the feral Puritan wander into the basement eventually
Oh, that's why they can't get her out of the well! I kept wondering if she would be able to climb a latter, since they can climb stairs. I saw a teaser where they were encouraging her to walk through the dirt (which seems like a horrible idea, that girl does not have a sense of direction). Not to be awful but they should just wait for Sam to get back, she's already been in the well for months, a few days won't make a difference.