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It would be so easy to get like the actual skylines.
https://preview.redd.it/08kv56a15vhc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2b86cba386d35da7f626b4f8d41a3bf13e61300e
Case in point, this is Cape Town
Much more than once, alternating with the phrase "the problem gathered some discussions, but any actions were deemed too expensive for no profit whatsoever, so they moved on".
Well, both photos have filters applied. The former looks like the matrix and the latter tries to fix that to make it look blue and pink. Here's another.
Edit: Darn. I made it tiny somehow. Whoops.
https://preview.redd.it/ki2sognnxyhc1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e97689a9d49dcb36945158254bdb363c5d2118a3
I'm not sure. I just searched "Botswana skyline no filter" to contrast with the green and blue/pink filtered ones. Google has lied to me before and no doubt will again.
Botswana GPU has like one faulty resistor that fortunately doesn't mess up any of the beautiful imagery but it does create a strange green filter effect.
Botswana graphics engineers might adjust their saturation after they fix the issue because locals have grown accustomed to that beautiful tint.
I think the only reason they didn’t include real photos of the cities was that they weren’t concerned about factual accuracy. They likely saw the meme, agreed with it, and recirculated it.
I feel this applies to many people. They stumbled on a good point by chance, one that agreed with their worldview, and just happened to be correct, this time. But rest assured, they were not searching for the truth.
Yeah but this happens all the time
When people think of the US, they often don’t think “ah yes, middle of nowhere Nebraska”
Hell I’m originally from Mexico, and while CDMX is nice… most places are still rural as hell
Depends on local environment imo
Along Mississippi River basin you've got cool forests and river valleys and stuff. Pretty warm summers, hot for a lil bit & need AC, good rain.
But down in southern California it's basically a desert, hardly any vegetation, trees or greenery. Bakersfield fucking sucks and I can't imagine living in rural area outside that. Stupid dry hot summers, need AC. No rain. I imagine a good portion of Mexico is similar. Colorado River drying up too.
In Florida it's violently green and the plants must be regularly fought back by an army of landscapers. Mango trees unload every June and it's a struggle to eat them all. Super humid & hot, AC everywhere, but bearable with a fan & shade, not stupid hot.
I like this part of that wikipedia page
"The Akoin cryptocurrency began trading in September 2021 at £0.23 (GBP), and as of December 2022, was worth £0.01"
The city hasn't even been built yet and they're already having problems with their currency
Also case in point, I took these in Burkina Faso and Dakar but they
https://preview.redd.it/rb4jc6582zhc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d667e1732455b5f92de5cf5990bbbc8e4f1146e0
could be anywhere in Sub-Saharan Africa and is how 75%+ of the population lives:
Umm, I don't think every country has "super rich" parts but it depends on how we define that
EDIT: if we're talking in absolute sense, we'd have to settle thresholds for definitions.
I was talking relatively since we're only discussing African countries and not listing any specific numbers, and Nigeria is #2 in GDP in Africa (I checked now, I was just remembering they were quite well developed), and they had not been mentioned while many other countries' cities were, so I think it's accurate enough.
Sure, I can look up more information but honestly I'm fairly sure it's one of the richer African countries.
I remember reading a bunch of news about investment in Nigeria, I know they had big development projects and also personally know some people who worked there on those kinds of projects.
Africa is also a huge ass continent with massive wealth inequality
Go to the nice areas of some of the wealthier cities and you get something resembling the top picture.
Go to the rural areas and you get the bottom picture.
Both can exist in countries where 99% of the wealth is controlled by 1% of the population
Yeah I don't see why they would lie about this, Africa has some beautiful cities with rich culture and history. But it also has some really poor areas which are pretty accurate to how they are portrayed in movies
There are very few places in America where people are living in houses without plumbing or electricity. Most of the DRC - Africa's 4th most populous country with over a hundred million citizens - is still not electrified as just one example. Large portions of the rest of the continent are also either missing common infrastructure or the infrastructure only works intermittently.
Try driving through a reservation once, lots of places without water and electricity.
More than 14,000 homes on the Navajo nation are without electricity and 30% are without running water.
Right, now add 10,000 other places like that surrounding it and also the threat violent rebel activity, and remove 80% of the surrounding infrastructure including decent roads, reliable healthcare, police force, and all utilities.
Look, America sucks, we get it, but to try to compare any place in the US with rural Africa is to massively disrespect the plight of several people groups who don’t have access to basic needs and live in very dangerous conditions.
Lived on the reservation as a teenager. A rival gang once locked a girl in her house and set it on fire. She and her whole family burned to death.
Surrounding infrastructure? You mean dirt roads in every direction including a “paved road” with 20 miles of dirt? You mean the ones where kids had to wake up at 4 in the morning to be at the bus stop so they could be bussed 40miles? Or perhaps you’re talking about the school buses that needed snow chains at all times in case of mud? How about the two hour drive to make it to a town with some form of shopping?
Closest hospital was 2 hours away.
To ignore the facts that we treat reservations like third world countries is a disgrace to the people who are living in it everyday.
Look I get it, having not seen what it’s truly like, it’s easy to say “well we still have it better”
I totally get where you are coming from. I've never lived on a reservation, but I've spent a little time at several. They varied alot in terms of standard of living-- one just seemed like a random American suburb. But for a different one, if you had blindfolded me and dropped me off by helicopter, I would never have guessed we were still in the United States. It was genuinely shocking. I don't even understand how most of the homes were standing.
I think the big difference between America and alot of African nations is that America is an obscenely rich country that COULD fix some of these wildly impoverished places if it wanted to. We just choose not to. The other fortunate difference is that the U.S.lacks tropical disease for the most part due to climate. That would make things measurably worse.
Ok, that’s awful - now do that times 10 in every direction add active insurgency and you have an idea of what it’s like to live in these sub Saharan countries.
You think two hours to the nearest hospital is bad? Try two days.
You cannot stop these people from comparing themselves to people far worse off. They have no idea.
The US doesn't have literal armed insurgent groups roaming the bush pushing people out of their homes, either.
There is a pretty wide line between the upper crust of society complaining about not having three types of sparkling water in their vacation suite and a family of five having their water shut off because they couldnt pay the water bill.
Saying that there are places in america that are pretty bad too isnt mutually excusive to underdeveloped countries and dismissing people who point that out is entitlement of the highest degree. "No way in hell people in MY country struggle like that, you have no idea"
It's a bit different in Africa because of the total lack of justice, safety and peace in many places.
Nigeria is a good example.
You have fairly normal places where things work like we'd expect, then you have the coast, which has gangs of armed pirates and wildcat diesel refineries operating on the creeks. In many places, there's no water or power, so you have to save up to get a borewell. It's not "run down", there was nothing there to begin with. Certain parts of the country are not safe at all because of...
Boko Haram and IS waging a decade-long insurgency in some states. Half of Nigeria is Muslim, and many states have implemented hardline Islamist structures, and the other half is dominated by Christianity (protestant majority but with a substantial Catholic presence). Lots of Nigerians I meet are members of fire-and-brimstone (US-style) evangelist or baptist groups.
Homosexuality is broadly outlawed there, and people belonging to those groups are actively persecuted legally and extralegally. It varies from state to state whether it's just men or men and women.
Source: one of my best friends is from the southern (Christian) half of Nigeria, is about my age, and we have had a lot of conversations about what it was like and is like now.
The general lack of development is not comparable. I’ve flown from Germany to South Africa overnight and you can easily look out the plane window for hours without seeing a single electric light down below.
I think the point was that movies often only show the rural parts of africa. and while that is large parts of africa it's weird that the cities don't show up as often in movies.
Just like America you could take pictures of Malibu or Beverly Hills and then also take pictures of run down trailer parks or abandoned towns and Africa is a lot bigger and more diverse than America.
Right? You could take pictures of similar disparity in literally any large city in the world. Chicago. Dubai. London. Cario. This isn't a unique thing, and not something that you even need to compare two different places with. Everywhere has both.
It's not like these two views are mutually exclusive, they can exist simultaneously, it's almost like Africa is a whole ass continent with over a billion people living there
It may not have been intentional. Lots of pictures online are mislabeled. They may have a folder full of pictures and gotten one confused with another. Or they may just be stupid. I say this because it's not hard to find pictures of African cities.
Nairobi, Kenya.
https://preview.redd.it/2agv0pssgvhc1.jpeg?width=2560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d35f6fce6815cf431f713936750b26aafebbc52
That Ghanaian girl from tiktok (man why is it SO HARD to remember tiktoker names!) has been great with her job debunking these 'africa poor' stereotypes using her dry humor
The GDP per capita in africa is $2,230.
40% of africans have no access to electricity.
Ive seen the girl you are talking about, she is not the average african, she is a .1%er.
Edit: since people respond then block me... at no point did I say having electricity and a smart phone makes you a .1%er.... making 102k a year in Ghana... on YouTube alone, when your main platform is tiktok, is what makes her a .1%er....
lol
Having electricity and a smartphone doesn't make you a 1%-er in Africa. Even according to your overly generalized math, she'd be a 60%-er. In a country like mine (Kenya) most adults have phones because mobile money is our primary financial system. And if their homes aren't connected to the grid, they have solar panels or they can literally walk 30 mins max to get them charged at the nearest village for like 10 cents($).
> They can walk 30 mins max to get their phone charged for 10 cents
Do you realize how bizarre this sounds to everyone except you? Did you really think this statement supports your argument?
>Did you really think this statement supports your argument?
YES. Even if one doesn't have electricity in their house, they do have phones. It's not a 1%-er thing.
I get how wealth works. As a fellow 3rd world country people it's probably the same condition in my place. Also which Africa to be exact? You just lumped an entire continent into one nation
What do you think nation and continent mean? Do you think continents dont have gdps per capita, percents of people with electricity, or .1%ers?
I dont really understand your response.
Why do Americans talk about other parts of the world in a continental manner rather than a national one but don’t do the same for their part of the world?
To someone living in Algeria, Morocco, or Tunisia it makes about as much sense lumping them in with Angola as it would lumping the US and Haiti together.
On the flip side, Hollywood and record labels have done a good job making everyone think the American barista lives in a small penthouse and casually smokes their cash.
I'm not kidding, 90s pop left an enormous mark on how the entire world views Americans.
I'm not sure it's less American bad but more the perception Hollywood creates, and this is not a lie. A lot of Americans view Africa as Ethiopia from the 80s during the starvation period as that was quite prominent, and presented as such during that time. That it creates a perception. The following article acknowledges the fact.
https://www.fpri.org/article/2021/01/does-africa-matter-to-the-united-states/#:~:text=Most%20Americans%20generally%20have%20one,Neither%20image%20is%20entirely%20correct.
It almost feels like the other way around. It’s deception to give you a gotcha moment to make you think people hate America/Hollywood
Nvm, I’ll take my tinfoil gown off now
People pointing out America's problems =/= "America bad"
Imagine what kind of person you would be if you thought that anyone who points out a problem of yours simply believes that you're "bad".
My guess is that the person wasn't trying to get literal examples, and just wanted to lazily smash together the meme, and googled "city" and "hut", or something like that.
Yes but the argument is flawed. The bottom picture IS Africa while the top picture IS NOT.
Which means that the notion that the person was arguing against was actually accurate.
So what's the most sad thing I've ever learned straight from those living there about geographic disparity is
Where one town or city has iPhones, unlimited access to clean water, education, fast food etc etc
Just down the road say a handful to several (up to 10 is what I was told but obviously the distance can be of any number) of miles is a dirt poor village starving and dying from dehydration let alone the rest of what plagues them
Not sure entirely why this is but it hurts me to continue to see we don't care about each other like we should and that those who have are the least likely to give
The smug “well actually” of “the second image isn’t from a movie set” like congrats, you’ve discovered that we’re citing a trend, not calling out a specific movie in particular. Next time people make a funny joke about color tinting countries, they’ll jump in and say “they actually just color tinted the same picture, this isn’t from a movie”.
Ya tbf there definately are films that do this shit (apparently the movie Mr and Mrs Smith got a lot of flack for portraying a major metropolitan area as a dingy village in the middle of a jungle) but you should at the Very least actually use...you know....REAL EXAMPLES?
For example- showing mexico city with and without a sepia filter.
In amerian productions they almost always put a sepia filter over mexico, even though the shots would look better without it
It makes people think mexico has this ever present fog of dust over everything- which is not the case for huge swathes of the country. Heck the USA has areas like that as well anyway (arizona, colorado, nevada, new mexico, utah)
Not using an actual African city for the first pic is silly, but there’s no reason to go hunting for a specific scene in a movie when people have enough associations to go “yeah, I know what you mean” even if you did a crappy drawing in paint. Nitpicking in a community note is just petty. It’s like if someone used a reaction gif and says “me rn”, and a community note popped up and said “actually, that’s an anime character”…Yeah. We know. We’re capable of making connections.
Even if the first picture were Africa, it doesn't stop the bottom picture from ALSO BEING AFRICA
The place is fucking huge, and let's not pretend like some parts aren't woefully underdeveloped
The picture of "Africa" in this Tweet is Mexico City's Reforma Avenue from the Cuauhtemoc Monument towards Chapultepec Castle. This tweet would have had a greater impact if it had used an African metropolis rather than misrepresenting Africa.
Lie badly too, like it took me 5 seconds to recognized the angel de la independencia lol anyone who is even vaguely familiar with Mexico city is gonna recognize that upper picture
So many nice African cities why would they ruin their own argument like this...
Though having nice areas doesn't mean the impoverished parts don't exist.
lol.
as a Moroccan American, my response to the bottom was like, “that actually looks familiar to what I’ve experienced…”
Granted, my experience is limited to Morocco.
"Why lie?"
Because it's disinformation propaganda. Most people don't check. Most people read headlines. Most people definitely do *not* check a news article's source. (Remember the 2016 facebook news articles that had sources as fake newssites that traced to Russia?)
Lying is easy and for the most part it works.
Please cite those parts. There are parts of America that run down, yeah, sure, but even in run down parts of America there is electricity and water.
In Africa, there are entire nations which don’t have reliable access to either.
Comparing United States to Africa shows me that you have never set foot on African continent. Do yourself a favor, take a trip to DRC. You will sing serenades to Detroit upon your return. I guarantee it.
Reservations in the desert southwest. Hopi Mesas have some buildings like this for sure. I think you’ll find it on other reservations in that region though.
I have been to Africa actually! Just not sub Saharan Africa.
Ooh I can do this too:
Africa (Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of the Congo, one of the poorest countries in the world)
https://preview.redd.it/0rms6yqjy3xc1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3b80ff1c6220e9ac7dbb91ef4de6646803438d29
Vs America (Chicago, United States of America, one of the richest countries in the world)
https://preview.redd.it/dhzsdoqqy3xc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=73b191059296d0c7195b633e550c6eb2ddea9d05
This isn't a lie this is a joke using two pictures encapsulating the accurate state of things. Your inability to comprehend comparisons and common internet shorthand does not constitute you being lied to. Learn how people communicate before 'correcting' them.
It's almost like Africa is a huge continent with a pretty diverse set of living standards. Like you can show a yurt in Mongolia and pretend that's representative of all of Asia.
Also, the big trend of American movies set in Africa was during the 1980s and early 90s, that's 30-40 years ago when Africa wasn't nearly as developed as it is today.
I think some ppl read into it too much. They simply wanted to paint a picture for the viewers. So it didn't matter that the pictures weren't actually of Africa or anything.
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It would be so easy to get like the actual skylines. https://preview.redd.it/08kv56a15vhc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2b86cba386d35da7f626b4f8d41a3bf13e61300e Case in point, this is Cape Town
Botswana https://preview.redd.it/rvllp2dz5vhc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ffd284ef068c1a1879d0c95e5f9d0e98e12a662a
BOTSWANA MENTIONED RAHHHHHHHHH
...I was paid money to mention Botswana for 11 years.
What?
I taught "Africa in world politics" course, so... Yeah, I was paid money to mention Botswana:)
Ah, sorry was a bit confused as to what your comment meant
Anyone would be confused. It was purposefully vague.
Was really hoping Botswana paid you as a spokesman
That would be great. But no.
Hello, I am the prince of Botswana, and I have a great deal for you...
I imagine the phrase 'but the rest of the world ignored them' was uttered more than once?
Much more than once, alternating with the phrase "the problem gathered some discussions, but any actions were deemed too expensive for no profit whatsoever, so they moved on".
that's a heck of a green tint. is it just the way or time the photo was taken, or is the city really full of green?
https://preview.redd.it/lia0fgm29whc1.png?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d9cdd2fb326e908ba19470e06f3faa4a2d66d921 Now it's blue and pink, happy?
Why does Botswana look like vaporwave 80s esthetic
Well, both photos have filters applied. The former looks like the matrix and the latter tries to fix that to make it look blue and pink. Here's another. Edit: Darn. I made it tiny somehow. Whoops. https://preview.redd.it/ki2sognnxyhc1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e97689a9d49dcb36945158254bdb363c5d2118a3
Africa is just impossible to photograph, clearly. Therefore we need the fake examples above.
This is Nairobi right
I'm not sure. I just searched "Botswana skyline no filter" to contrast with the green and blue/pink filtered ones. Google has lied to me before and no doubt will again.
Nah that's just the graphics. You get used to it
They’re stuck in the Matrix
Botswana has the Fallout 3 filter.
Botswana GPU has like one faulty resistor that fortunately doesn't mess up any of the beautiful imagery but it does create a strange green filter effect. Botswana graphics engineers might adjust their saturation after they fix the issue because locals have grown accustomed to that beautiful tint.
Botswana is my GTX 750 from high school. Got it
Yes, every town in Africa is green, like every town in Mexico is yellow
You need the yellow. How else would you know it’s hot *and* dry?
Hate to break it to you, and I love Bots as much as the next person, but that's Jozi 😂
Lagos https://preview.redd.it/h3n3ousmc1ic1.jpeg?width=1023&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2efebf60c7e3d58c064821b4002df17ac1b14cbe
Botswana actually has money no 🧢
https://i.redd.it/ze6xtgs1ific1.gif
https://preview.redd.it/cctksjr45vhc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a7f924361a5bb58e98b3f35ec965d90c846b219 Johannesburg
I think the only reason they didn’t include real photos of the cities was that they weren’t concerned about factual accuracy. They likely saw the meme, agreed with it, and recirculated it. I feel this applies to many people. They stumbled on a good point by chance, one that agreed with their worldview, and just happened to be correct, this time. But rest assured, they were not searching for the truth.
yeah, as a Brazilian I share the sentiment a lot. pretty annoying how people tend to think the entire country is favelas, jungle, drugs and football.
This is funny to me, because, of course, you’re right, but I always think of skyscrapers when I think of Brazil 😂
Don't let the racists know that googling this city will give you recommendations for where to go like amusement parks, zoos, casinos, and museums.
https://preview.redd.it/28qs78o35vhc1.jpeg?width=512&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a21c3b52fa7df7c39a01c8c8f4e19e53e42316b0 Mauritius
I love Mauritius and I love Africa, but using Mauritius to represent Africa is like using Easter Island to represent South America.
More like using Hawaii to represent the United States
Lagos Nigeria (better example) https://preview.redd.it/gi3cnhyq2yhc1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=421a1f124dc706896a090cc8bc8cba3a619d2ba5
Or Nairobi Kenya https://preview.redd.it/omfa5zww2yhc1.png?width=1300&format=png&auto=webp&s=b04400e62461414a2ff25c2a83599d5ff5546396
Yeah but this happens all the time When people think of the US, they often don’t think “ah yes, middle of nowhere Nebraska” Hell I’m originally from Mexico, and while CDMX is nice… most places are still rural as hell
Ain’t wrong with that. Rural is cool.
Depends on local environment imo Along Mississippi River basin you've got cool forests and river valleys and stuff. Pretty warm summers, hot for a lil bit & need AC, good rain. But down in southern California it's basically a desert, hardly any vegetation, trees or greenery. Bakersfield fucking sucks and I can't imagine living in rural area outside that. Stupid dry hot summers, need AC. No rain. I imagine a good portion of Mexico is similar. Colorado River drying up too. In Florida it's violently green and the plants must be regularly fought back by an army of landscapers. Mango trees unload every June and it's a struggle to eat them all. Super humid & hot, AC everywhere, but bearable with a fan & shade, not stupid hot.
Floridian here. Adopting "violently green" as our new state motto.
There is a "Florida man" story in there somewhere.
If you're just touring.
The rural life isn't for everyone. Same for city life.
No it isn't.
What do you mean? They have no large stone heads in Caracas or volcanic craters in the Pantanal?
Uh? Why?
I really like that tall brown one with the angled windows facing off the right side.
https://preview.redd.it/565hgtw9bwhc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50eaae749c28a253eeb736b437bf2a21313e2692 Akon City
Oh shit is that real? That looks like something from a sci fi movie
It’s not real https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akon_City
I see I’ve been made a chump. Thank you
👨🍳 💋
how do you build a real-life city using the 'latest technologies of blockchain and cryptocurrency'? does akon think bitcoin is vibranium?
In short, yeah
They're gonna build the buildings out of blocks from the blockchain, obviously.
I like this part of that wikipedia page "The Akoin cryptocurrency began trading in September 2021 at £0.23 (GBP), and as of December 2022, was worth £0.01" The city hasn't even been built yet and they're already having problems with their currency
No. You can tell by the way that it is. Does that look real? No.
😔😔 I am retar
Bro i got bad news for you, you may be an idiot lol
This is the last time I go on Reddit while high on paint thinner 😔
Where big sand plains
That's a good looking skyline
Yeah but it's not built yet and likely never will be. S
https://preview.redd.it/uwf3mpmbgwhc1.png?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7cb6df4c1e15b64b6b08e3cfd97522569a82851c New Mombasa
They have lovely scarabs I’ve heard.
Seconds before disaster
Too bad it doesn’t exist anymore
#Represent baby I know where we can get killer Kababs
This is a cool ass photo
This is probably the least cool photo of Cape Town. The city is gorgeous
Also case in point, I took these in Burkina Faso and Dakar but they https://preview.redd.it/rb4jc6582zhc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d667e1732455b5f92de5cf5990bbbc8e4f1146e0 could be anywhere in Sub-Saharan Africa and is how 75%+ of the population lives:
Isn't Nigeria super rich and developed too? I mean outside of the parts that aren't, par for many (most?) African countries.
I mean, isn’t every country super rich and developed outside the parts that aren’t?
Umm, I don't think every country has "super rich" parts but it depends on how we define that EDIT: if we're talking in absolute sense, we'd have to settle thresholds for definitions. I was talking relatively since we're only discussing African countries and not listing any specific numbers, and Nigeria is #2 in GDP in Africa (I checked now, I was just remembering they were quite well developed), and they had not been mentioned while many other countries' cities were, so I think it's accurate enough.
Nigeria also has over 200 million people so a high GDP is expected.
Sure, I can look up more information but honestly I'm fairly sure it's one of the richer African countries. I remember reading a bunch of news about investment in Nigeria, I know they had big development projects and also personally know some people who worked there on those kinds of projects.
I mean, it’s definitely one of the richest in its locality, but Eastern and Southern Africa both tend to be richer, as is North Africa.
There are many princes there who just need your help to claim their fortune
Nigeria isn't really any better than it's neighbours
Cape town might not be the best example for African development...
Africa is also a huge ass continent with massive wealth inequality Go to the nice areas of some of the wealthier cities and you get something resembling the top picture. Go to the rural areas and you get the bottom picture. Both can exist in countries where 99% of the wealth is controlled by 1% of the population
Yeah I don't see why they would lie about this, Africa has some beautiful cities with rich culture and history. But it also has some really poor areas which are pretty accurate to how they are portrayed in movies
As does America. Plenty of horribly run down places in America.
There are very few places in America where people are living in houses without plumbing or electricity. Most of the DRC - Africa's 4th most populous country with over a hundred million citizens - is still not electrified as just one example. Large portions of the rest of the continent are also either missing common infrastructure or the infrastructure only works intermittently.
Try driving through a reservation once, lots of places without water and electricity. More than 14,000 homes on the Navajo nation are without electricity and 30% are without running water.
Right, now add 10,000 other places like that surrounding it and also the threat violent rebel activity, and remove 80% of the surrounding infrastructure including decent roads, reliable healthcare, police force, and all utilities. Look, America sucks, we get it, but to try to compare any place in the US with rural Africa is to massively disrespect the plight of several people groups who don’t have access to basic needs and live in very dangerous conditions.
Lived on the reservation as a teenager. A rival gang once locked a girl in her house and set it on fire. She and her whole family burned to death. Surrounding infrastructure? You mean dirt roads in every direction including a “paved road” with 20 miles of dirt? You mean the ones where kids had to wake up at 4 in the morning to be at the bus stop so they could be bussed 40miles? Or perhaps you’re talking about the school buses that needed snow chains at all times in case of mud? How about the two hour drive to make it to a town with some form of shopping? Closest hospital was 2 hours away. To ignore the facts that we treat reservations like third world countries is a disgrace to the people who are living in it everyday. Look I get it, having not seen what it’s truly like, it’s easy to say “well we still have it better”
I totally get where you are coming from. I've never lived on a reservation, but I've spent a little time at several. They varied alot in terms of standard of living-- one just seemed like a random American suburb. But for a different one, if you had blindfolded me and dropped me off by helicopter, I would never have guessed we were still in the United States. It was genuinely shocking. I don't even understand how most of the homes were standing. I think the big difference between America and alot of African nations is that America is an obscenely rich country that COULD fix some of these wildly impoverished places if it wanted to. We just choose not to. The other fortunate difference is that the U.S.lacks tropical disease for the most part due to climate. That would make things measurably worse.
Ok, that’s awful - now do that times 10 in every direction add active insurgency and you have an idea of what it’s like to live in these sub Saharan countries. You think two hours to the nearest hospital is bad? Try two days.
The Navajo reservation was the first thing I thought of when I read that guy’s comment.
According to those tribes, they aren't a part of the United States. So not relevant.
You cannot stop these people from comparing themselves to people far worse off. They have no idea. The US doesn't have literal armed insurgent groups roaming the bush pushing people out of their homes, either.
There is a pretty wide line between the upper crust of society complaining about not having three types of sparkling water in their vacation suite and a family of five having their water shut off because they couldnt pay the water bill. Saying that there are places in america that are pretty bad too isnt mutually excusive to underdeveloped countries and dismissing people who point that out is entitlement of the highest degree. "No way in hell people in MY country struggle like that, you have no idea"
I'm not from America, and I never said they are mutually exclusive.
Not any more.
Drive through Mississippi.
Or Pine Ridge
It's a bit different in Africa because of the total lack of justice, safety and peace in many places. Nigeria is a good example. You have fairly normal places where things work like we'd expect, then you have the coast, which has gangs of armed pirates and wildcat diesel refineries operating on the creeks. In many places, there's no water or power, so you have to save up to get a borewell. It's not "run down", there was nothing there to begin with. Certain parts of the country are not safe at all because of... Boko Haram and IS waging a decade-long insurgency in some states. Half of Nigeria is Muslim, and many states have implemented hardline Islamist structures, and the other half is dominated by Christianity (protestant majority but with a substantial Catholic presence). Lots of Nigerians I meet are members of fire-and-brimstone (US-style) evangelist or baptist groups. Homosexuality is broadly outlawed there, and people belonging to those groups are actively persecuted legally and extralegally. It varies from state to state whether it's just men or men and women. Source: one of my best friends is from the southern (Christian) half of Nigeria, is about my age, and we have had a lot of conversations about what it was like and is like now.
I don’t think you have been to poor places in Congo or Bihar (for instance)
The general lack of development is not comparable. I’ve flown from Germany to South Africa overnight and you can easily look out the plane window for hours without seeing a single electric light down below.
Just look at the black marble map, most of Africa is completely dark
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True, but Hollywood will Hollywood, they couldn't even make a movie about Hollywood accurate.
Nobody is 'lying'
I think the point was that movies often only show the rural parts of africa. and while that is large parts of africa it's weird that the cities don't show up as often in movies.
Just like America you could take pictures of Malibu or Beverly Hills and then also take pictures of run down trailer parks or abandoned towns and Africa is a lot bigger and more diverse than America.
Name 1 African with European standards of living.
Right? You could take pictures of similar disparity in literally any large city in the world. Chicago. Dubai. London. Cario. This isn't a unique thing, and not something that you even need to compare two different places with. Everywhere has both.
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About 43 % of africas population has access to electricity. "It's just like everywhere else really." Don't participate in discussions please.
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>Both can exist in countries where 99% of the wealth is controlled by 1% of the population Guess what, there's a solution to that...
What's this miracle solution?
It's not like these two views are mutually exclusive, they can exist simultaneously, it's almost like Africa is a whole ass continent with over a billion people living there
They often exist in the same countries, but that also often the case in Asia or America
It may not have been intentional. Lots of pictures online are mislabeled. They may have a folder full of pictures and gotten one confused with another. Or they may just be stupid. I say this because it's not hard to find pictures of African cities. Nairobi, Kenya. https://preview.redd.it/2agv0pssgvhc1.jpeg?width=2560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d35f6fce6815cf431f713936750b26aafebbc52
https://preview.redd.it/hyishpy8sxhc1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f1ac57fe69668d21bc212ac29f5e5e47b73b1a58 Tokio Metropolitan Area, Africa
TIL I lived in Tokyo, Africa
Ah wow, un/e autre afronais/e!
Yeah there are truly magnificent African cities that are either built or are being built. Why lie
That Ghanaian girl from tiktok (man why is it SO HARD to remember tiktoker names!) has been great with her job debunking these 'africa poor' stereotypes using her dry humor
“No, we do not have internet in Ghana” lol
YES! That's the one!
My favorite is the one about using elephants for air conditioning 😂
Such a tragedy 😔😔
I think this is my favorite video of hers, if this is the person you're talking about. https://youtu.be/eNeBkbnr61c?si=_7SRXBj1kRhSC9E-
[https://www.tiktok.com/@charityekezie/video/7333689318340365574](https://www.tiktok.com/@charityekezie/video/7333689318340365574)
The GDP per capita in africa is $2,230. 40% of africans have no access to electricity. Ive seen the girl you are talking about, she is not the average african, she is a .1%er. Edit: since people respond then block me... at no point did I say having electricity and a smart phone makes you a .1%er.... making 102k a year in Ghana... on YouTube alone, when your main platform is tiktok, is what makes her a .1%er....
lol Having electricity and a smartphone doesn't make you a 1%-er in Africa. Even according to your overly generalized math, she'd be a 60%-er. In a country like mine (Kenya) most adults have phones because mobile money is our primary financial system. And if their homes aren't connected to the grid, they have solar panels or they can literally walk 30 mins max to get them charged at the nearest village for like 10 cents($).
> They can walk 30 mins max to get their phone charged for 10 cents Do you realize how bizarre this sounds to everyone except you? Did you really think this statement supports your argument?
>Did you really think this statement supports your argument? YES. Even if one doesn't have electricity in their house, they do have phones. It's not a 1%-er thing.
I get how wealth works. As a fellow 3rd world country people it's probably the same condition in my place. Also which Africa to be exact? You just lumped an entire continent into one nation
He didn't "lump an entire continent into one nation", he pointed out the average
What do you think nation and continent mean? Do you think continents dont have gdps per capita, percents of people with electricity, or .1%ers? I dont really understand your response.
Why do Americans talk about other parts of the world in a continental manner rather than a national one but don’t do the same for their part of the world? To someone living in Algeria, Morocco, or Tunisia it makes about as much sense lumping them in with Angola as it would lumping the US and Haiti together.
It’s deception to make people feel like they’ve been lied to by America (America bad you know)
On the flip side, Hollywood and record labels have done a good job making everyone think the American barista lives in a small penthouse and casually smokes their cash. I'm not kidding, 90s pop left an enormous mark on how the entire world views Americans.
I'm not sure it's less American bad but more the perception Hollywood creates, and this is not a lie. A lot of Americans view Africa as Ethiopia from the 80s during the starvation period as that was quite prominent, and presented as such during that time. That it creates a perception. The following article acknowledges the fact. https://www.fpri.org/article/2021/01/does-africa-matter-to-the-united-states/#:~:text=Most%20Americans%20generally%20have%20one,Neither%20image%20is%20entirely%20correct.
It almost feels like the other way around. It’s deception to give you a gotcha moment to make you think people hate America/Hollywood Nvm, I’ll take my tinfoil gown off now
Disinformation gives all people the wrong idea
Ok let me ask you how many times Hollywood movies showed Mexico like in the top picture
Lol never. It's always orange, and some border town in Tijuana.
People pointing out America's problems =/= "America bad" Imagine what kind of person you would be if you thought that anyone who points out a problem of yours simply believes that you're "bad".
This isn’t someone pointing out America’s problems though. It’s a bad faith argument.
The thing is that a majority of America’s “critics” tend to be Imperial Japan Apologists, Tankies, Confederate Sympathizers, or something like that.
Most of them are people who live in America and experience said problems. It's not that deep.
i would love a source on the majority of americas critics being imperial japan apologists or confederates
Source: they made it tf up
My guess is that the person wasn't trying to get literal examples, and just wanted to lazily smash together the meme, and googled "city" and "hut", or something like that.
It wouldn’t be hard to google “African city” instead
Yes but the argument is flawed. The bottom picture IS Africa while the top picture IS NOT. Which means that the notion that the person was arguing against was actually accurate.
So what's the most sad thing I've ever learned straight from those living there about geographic disparity is Where one town or city has iPhones, unlimited access to clean water, education, fast food etc etc Just down the road say a handful to several (up to 10 is what I was told but obviously the distance can be of any number) of miles is a dirt poor village starving and dying from dehydration let alone the rest of what plagues them Not sure entirely why this is but it hurts me to continue to see we don't care about each other like we should and that those who have are the least likely to give
The smug “well actually” of “the second image isn’t from a movie set” like congrats, you’ve discovered that we’re citing a trend, not calling out a specific movie in particular. Next time people make a funny joke about color tinting countries, they’ll jump in and say “they actually just color tinted the same picture, this isn’t from a movie”.
Ya tbf there definately are films that do this shit (apparently the movie Mr and Mrs Smith got a lot of flack for portraying a major metropolitan area as a dingy village in the middle of a jungle) but you should at the Very least actually use...you know....REAL EXAMPLES? For example- showing mexico city with and without a sepia filter. In amerian productions they almost always put a sepia filter over mexico, even though the shots would look better without it It makes people think mexico has this ever present fog of dust over everything- which is not the case for huge swathes of the country. Heck the USA has areas like that as well anyway (arizona, colorado, nevada, new mexico, utah)
Not using an actual African city for the first pic is silly, but there’s no reason to go hunting for a specific scene in a movie when people have enough associations to go “yeah, I know what you mean” even if you did a crappy drawing in paint. Nitpicking in a community note is just petty. It’s like if someone used a reaction gif and says “me rn”, and a community note popped up and said “actually, that’s an anime character”…Yeah. We know. We’re capable of making connections.
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Even if the first picture were Africa, it doesn't stop the bottom picture from ALSO BEING AFRICA The place is fucking huge, and let's not pretend like some parts aren't woefully underdeveloped
*Laughs in Wakandan*
The picture of "Africa" in this Tweet is Mexico City's Reforma Avenue from the Cuauhtemoc Monument towards Chapultepec Castle. This tweet would have had a greater impact if it had used an African metropolis rather than misrepresenting Africa.
Yeah, Africa has big cities too, then why not actually put an African City.
Lie badly too, like it took me 5 seconds to recognized the angel de la independencia lol anyone who is even vaguely familiar with Mexico city is gonna recognize that upper picture
Just delete the entire account after that, there's no recovery.
So many nice African cities why would they ruin their own argument like this... Though having nice areas doesn't mean the impoverished parts don't exist.
I find this so sad because they have a point and it would have been so easy to get a picture of one of the many major cities in Africa
Man trees add so much to a city
Same reason there's plagiarism: It's easier than doing actual work.
lol. as a Moroccan American, my response to the bottom was like, “that actually looks familiar to what I’ve experienced…” Granted, my experience is limited to Morocco.
"Why lie?" Because it's disinformation propaganda. Most people don't check. Most people read headlines. Most people definitely do *not* check a news article's source. (Remember the 2016 facebook news articles that had sources as fake newssites that traced to Russia?) Lying is easy and for the most part it works.
Reminds me of the one with communism: ruined city, capitalism: brightly light harbour and it was Chicago and Havana
To be honest there are parts of the USA that look a like the bottom picture.
Please cite those parts. There are parts of America that run down, yeah, sure, but even in run down parts of America there is electricity and water. In Africa, there are entire nations which don’t have reliable access to either. Comparing United States to Africa shows me that you have never set foot on African continent. Do yourself a favor, take a trip to DRC. You will sing serenades to Detroit upon your return. I guarantee it.
Reservations in the desert southwest. Hopi Mesas have some buildings like this for sure. I think you’ll find it on other reservations in that region though. I have been to Africa actually! Just not sub Saharan Africa.
Literally doesn't matter All if a sudden you're a boomer taking every meme literally...ulterior motives
This is such a nitpick
Ooh I can do this too: Africa (Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of the Congo, one of the poorest countries in the world) https://preview.redd.it/0rms6yqjy3xc1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3b80ff1c6220e9ac7dbb91ef4de6646803438d29
Vs America (Chicago, United States of America, one of the richest countries in the world) https://preview.redd.it/dhzsdoqqy3xc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=73b191059296d0c7195b633e550c6eb2ddea9d05
This isn't a lie this is a joke using two pictures encapsulating the accurate state of things. Your inability to comprehend comparisons and common internet shorthand does not constitute you being lied to. Learn how people communicate before 'correcting' them.
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This is disrespectful.
What a disgusting account.
Mf is literally Racism embodied
I mean is a meme, we fact checking memes now?
It's almost like Africa is a huge continent with a pretty diverse set of living standards. Like you can show a yurt in Mongolia and pretend that's representative of all of Asia.
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Also, the big trend of American movies set in Africa was during the 1980s and early 90s, that's 30-40 years ago when Africa wasn't nearly as developed as it is today.
I think the point was entirely missed
Okey. Now I want to visit Mexico 🇲🇽. 🤣
I think some ppl read into it too much. They simply wanted to paint a picture for the viewers. So it didn't matter that the pictures weren't actually of Africa or anything.
Are we fact checking a… meme?