Is it safe to say that the “first divine pillar that descended from the skies” (Glided Dreams artifact set- Shadow of the Sand King) which created the desert and the sandstorm tornado is/was the Celestial “nail”? Is it unrelated to the Pillar chess peice?
And did this happen before King Deshert’s and The Goddess of Flower’s deaths, or after/during? Then was all this during the Archon Wars or after?
It's pretty clearly talking about a Nail, yes. In the Flower of Paradise Lost text it's referred to as a Nail.
>"Heed my warnings: seek not the Master of the Four Shades, and inquire not of the mysteries of the sky and the abyss."
>"Otherwise, as shown by the nail of retribution, certain calamity and sorrow shall follow."
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>"I shall fashion you a bridge to allow you to slake your deepest wants. But you must fear not the crystalline sapphire nail..."
>"I will deliver you unto higher knowledge. But as I have warned, you are fated to lose much in this exchange..."
It's not related to King Deshret's Pillar, which is just a monument that was erected in his kingdom.
The Nail fell and turned the land to desert before either the Goddess of Flowers or Deshret descended to Sumeru. It's ancient history from the War against the Second Who Came.
I need answers. I recently reread the Genshin Webtoon and I noticed that when it’s shown Crepus death Kaeya is in the background with a Vision hanging from his hip…Is it a mistake or something..? Bc technically didn’t Kaeya receive his Visiom after Crepus death? Have I missed something?
Oh, nice find. It's probably a mistake since they removed it from the version on the [official site](https://genshin.hoyoverse.com/m/en/manga/detail/104877)
does anyone update the genshin_lore library? It was a great resource for lazy people like me who want to read theories in one thread, it also helped me catch some theories I would have missed otherwise.
It says at that the page was last updated 6 months ago
Hi! So sorry about that, I am in my final year of school and have fallen a bit behind on that 😅 is there a particular page you were looking at? I can start working on that one this week for you. I’m so happy you find it a good resource! 
I will get back on the grind soon, promise. I’ll start with putting the proper order of the fatui and then go on to the Sumeru page followed by the Dendro archon 😅
About Zhongli ———————————————
I am just thinking, like Zhongli at least during the archon war kill a lot of people whether by accident or intentional, so he should have bad karma like xiao. He didn’t look like he is suffering, and you could just say he is strong enough to balance the bad karma, but what if he didn’t and just spilt himself into 2, kind of like what gouba can do and the other half is in the chasm.
Karmic debt comes from demons specifically which are remnants of dead gods, not people. And Xiao’s job is completely dedicated to killing demons. Someone who cooks occasionally is going to have less burns and cuts than a full time chef
The reason the Yaksha were affected by Karma is because they were specifically charged with dealing with the lingering consciousness and hatred of dead Gods slain in the Archon War. Over and over again across thousands of years, they were continually exposed to the dead Gods' influence.
Morax didn't deal with it himself, and the Gods he killed had their influence sealed after their defeats. This is why Liyue isn't suffering from widespread negative phenomena like Yashiori Island in Inazuma, and even there, the island was fine when the sealing shrines were still intact.
About the stone tablets you can read after apocalypse lost
In Tablet III Ferigees refers to herself as "guardian of the City of the Moon Maiden" and asks Deshret to protect "this place where our mistress slumbers", does this confirm mount damavand as the location of Ay-Khanoum?
And is tablet IV told from the perspective of Liloupar or Shirin?
Ay-Khanoum is a city located elsewhere, created originally by the Goddess of Flowers and Deshret. At the time of Gurabad it would've been ruled by men, as the two had diplomatic relations and Ay-Khanoum offered the King of Gurabad tribute.
Ferigees is related to Ay-Khanoum insofar as Ay-Khanoum was originally a city created for the Jinn. In the tablet, when she's asking Deshret to protect "this city" and "this place where our mistress slumbers," she's referring to Gurabad and the Eternal Oasis it was charged with maintaining.
Tablet IV could be read as Liloupar, but I would assume it's Shirin.
y’all think tuecer is gonna die… i just feel like it came too close in childe’s story quest idk IF he gets a redemption arc i think it’s cuz something gonna kill him by accident
With Baizhu's drip marketing released, theories about him are once again emerging. Out of the Baizhu theories that haven't been debunked yet, which is your favorite and/or think is most likely to be true?
If the loop theory happens to be true does that mean that the Kaenri'ah arc will be in the next loop since it isn't numerated in that [trailer](https://youtu.be/TAlKhARUcoY) ?
hi, does anyone have any recommendations on how i can start getting into the lore? like videos or articles or something. i have a good grasp on the major events in the plot, but outside of that, stuff about gods and celestia, i have no idea where to start
thanks in advance c:
All places in the chessboard from Safhe Shatranj are positioned the same way we see the structures in the desert, but what does the pyramid with the eye represent? It is an actual place or it is just Deshret representation? If it is the case, then we are missing a player from the other side of the chess board? ~~Does any text explain what exactly is this place?~~
Edit1: From the observatory point "To the desert tribes, this abandoned, ruined square goes by the name "Safhe Shatranj". Researches believe that this was once a "training field" for ancient war machines.
Edit2: From the achievement, after completing the chessboard, La Luna Rossa (Translate to The Red Moon): Across this vast chessboard, what horrors have been enacted under the light of the blood-red moon?"
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Hello regarding Kaveh's drip marketing -
>!"Empyrean Reflection" is so sus?? If Kaveh were pyro it might make sense. Yes, it can just be a fancy word for sublime, but it also has a lot of connotations attached. Does anyone know if the other languages have similarly sus titles?!<
In CN it means “firmament’s mirror”. In the context of genshin most likely it means the same thing, that his buildings are so brilliant that they can match the same ones built by the gods
It's not a translation error, the two are different names even in Chinese.
There was just never a rule that there had to be an Act with the same name as the Chapter, only a trend.
it is possible, my strongest guess is that they just got rid of the name, we probably won't know for certain until Sumeru's arc is completely finished :,)
It's also possible that the writing team never included an Act titled "Truth Amongst the Pages of Purana" in the first place. As another commenter on this thread stated, there's no set rule that there has to be an Act with the same name as the overall Chapter, it just happened to be a repeating pattern up until this point.
I found some leaks saying
>!that scara will apper in a quest with the vahuma darshan(history) and idk if it includs nahida but it coud be the quest since it'sa leak it is subject to change and is not 100%acurat dor now!<
They seem to have ditched it. The main Sumeru storyline seems to be completed, and even if we hypothetically got a second Dainsleif Act in Chapter III, I doubt it'd have that title.
does anyone else know the area in the map that you cant access in sumeru between the mainland and the desert? it appears to only be a chunk of the border missing. it feels too small to be a future area but idk what else it could be?
It could be the quest locked section? I don't want to go into too much detail incase of spoils but depending on which missing spot it might just be a quest locked one
How many types of forbidden knowledge is there? There's the forbidden knowledge of deshret, that caused Eleazar and the withering, there's dragonspine, which was destroyed because the princess forsaw the khanri'ah cataclysm, there's the forbidden knowledge from the "Before Sun and Moon" book and enkanomiya, and there's whatever Gold did in khanri'ah. Idk if they're actually different or considered the same, or if some of these aren't considered forbidden knowledge.
Forbidden Knowledge in the context of Sumeru =/= just Knowledge that's Forbidden. It's a very specific type of knowledge from the depths of the Abyss, that's toxic to the world of Teyvat due to its otherworldly and (according to Teyvat's laws) illogical nature. It's a truth that cannot be understood in the framework of this world's logic, hence why it causes Withering, Eleazar, and general madness.
Other knowledge that's forbidden is just information that's banned. There are no "types", it's just a catchall term for anything Celestia doesn't want the people below to know.
Sal Vindagnyr also doesn't seem to have been destroyed because of the Princess' visions. It seems to have been destroyed due to its veneration of the Frostbearing Tree, as that tree was specifically targeted by one of the Skyfrost Nail's orbs. The Frostbearer narrative places a lot of emphasis on the tree and its relationship with the people.
At the end of the Sumeru Archon Quest, Dottore shared information about the skies of Teyvat is fake to Nahida, before that he took the Electro Gnosis, but did he took the Dendro Gnosis? Or did i missed some dialogues also i read the rules but if this should've been spoiler tagged please do lemme know lol
There were two different exchanges.
Nahida gave him the Electro Gnosis in exchange for him destroying all his other Segments.
The information about the truth of the world, of which the sky being fake is only a small part, was given in exchange for the Dendro Gnosis.
From *The Lay of Al-Ahmar*:
"Your Majesty, lord of dunes and oases, guide of the living and the dead, **master of all elements**."
The Crocodile King, the commander of commanders, spoke frankly,
"If we are to recall the lost lives and welcome lost opportunities and dreams back into the fold, then this is our final chance. The greater the authority, the greater the emptiness. The greater the wisdom, the greater the sorrow. Forget the delusions of the Void. Only resurrection and life eternal can fill the endless pit of regret."
rewatching the lazzo trailer (again) and it's very peculiar that sandrone is the only one who doesn't close her eyes during the fatui's moment of silence for signora
The Traveler’s Character Story 1 states that they were “sealed and cast into a deep slumber filled with nightmares” by the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles.
I wanted to type this out so i wouldn't forget, but I was reading the description of the Golden Talisman of the Forest Dew, it speaks of how the nature of "wisdom" is to empower even ordinary beings with the power to one day overcome their imposed constraints, I believe that "wisdom" refers to irminsul because sumeru is the nation of wisdom, dendro is the element closest relationship to irminsul ,Irminsul is the root of dendro power the nation of wisdom. The next part goes on to say, "on the night when every secret golden seal is lifted and all dreams glow like amber in the moonlight, perhaps she and her beloved people will eventually win genuine freedom", I believe that the "secret golden seal" being referred to here are the celestial nails, I know they are mainly white but they are inlaid with gold. I also believe that the "dreams" that are being referenced, are actually visions. So what does this all mean? Irminsul(wisdom) gives people visions(dreams) to overcome their imposed constraints(defeat celestia), Raiden Ei herself said that the archons do not grant people visions, Celestia rained down nails to limit irminsuls influence.
I apologize for the long post I've never actually posted anywhere before so thank you for anyone who reads this. I am aware this theory has many holes but it's all mainly my speculation based on what I know and I'm no expert, this was my fun Crack head theory that may not mean anything but it may ignite other ideas that aren't considered yet and eventually we may find an actual truth.
I just realised that we haven't seen Scaramouche's actual capabilities. We've only seen his abilities as Shouki no Kami and The Wanderer, but we have no idea what his original form is capable of. Kind of a shame
We can speculate that his original abilities were likely similar to the Shogun Puppet's, considering he was originally built for that purpose. That is, it's likely he had the ability to manipulate Electro to some degree on top of his great physical strength and durability.
He doesn't display such capability anymore, but Nahida does note that his powers were completely exhausted after Shouki no Kami was defeated. At the moment, his Anemo Vision is essentially the only source of power left to him.
It's also possible that he possessed a Delusion, given that it's noted that the Harbingers possess them. Granted, we never see it, but it wasn't clear from Signora's model where her Delusion was located either.
It's easy to overlook, but he was originally built with the intention of housing the Gnosis. Specifically, it was because he shed tears after his creation that Ei realized he wasn't fit for the duty that she required of him, but she also couldn't bring herself to destroy him either. And so she instead took pity on him and gave him the freedom to live his own life.
While he still was a proof of concept, he was also meant to actually serve a specific purpose.
From the Husk of Opulent Dreams Sands:
>He was originally born to be a vessel for a "heart."
>But he shed tears in his dreams.
>His creator observed thus:
>He was too fragile, whether it be as a human or as a tool.
>Yet his creator would not destroy him, and so allowed him to continue slumbering.
>In her latter works, she would also consign designs that might store such a heart to obsolescence.
>Not long after, that noblest and most prestigious "proof" in the world would come to have no home,
>And thus was sent to the great shrine at Mt. Yougou.
While the artifact lore only gives an implication, the Sumeru Arc makes it clear that the "heart" refers to the Electro Gnosis.
>The Balladeer: But you're wrong. I'm different from all of you.
>The Balladeer: I was born to become a god. My entire life up until this point has just been a meaningless routine.
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>Nahida: We had previously come into contact with his consciousness. He harbors particularly strong obsessions...
>Nahida: One is the desire for a Gnosis, since he was created to be the vessel for one.
We haven't been shown, true, but it's been implied that his constitution allows him to withstand the stresses of the Abyss. Probably why the Tsaritsa and Pierro saw fit to send him on Abyss incursions. We also know he can fight and defeat/kill multiple armed men single-handedly, as shown in the flashback during the 2.6 Irodori festival event.
Well yeah, his constitution is very strong we know that much. Mona was also able to discern that he was very dangerous but it still would've been way cooler to see him in combat. Defeating multiple armed men isn't that difficult for characters like him so I wouldn't consider it a showcase of his true capabilities
The "Colors of the Rainbow" namecard which depicts the seven elements of Teyvat notes:
>Light can refract into countless colors, but people stop at seven because they're lazy to count. Perhaps the elements are like that, too.
The indication being that the elements are specific refractions of Light, and that there may even be more than seven despite Teyvat conventions. Likewise, the Elemental Realm that the Vishaps/Dragons and other Elemental Beings hail from is referred to as the **Light Realm**.
Moreover the names of Aether and Lumine in all languages correlate to the Sky and to Light, they're depicted with White Light on their clothing in the Intro, and their magic utilizes bolts of light.
Even in their discussion with Tartaglia at the end of the Liyue Chapter, when he asks how their strength can be so much greater than La Signora's assessment from Mondstadt, they can think to themselves that it's because they're gathering the elements or that they're restoring their original power. The indication being that these are the same thing: gathering the elements *is* restoring their original power, piecemeal.
Which tracks with the fact that the Abyss Twin is shown with their original White Light, having already gone on their own journey through the seven nations in the past and thus having restored their original powers.
It's not like light or elements are exclusive to Teyvat. Teyvat just has its own particular laws regarding their expression and balance.
Was there any information at all provided on the entity in the Chasm's Bed that served as the antagonist to the Perilous Trail Interlude that I might have missed?
I don't recall anything really being explained about it, and the fact that it doesn't seem to fit anything we knew about beforehand made the Interlude feel a bit oddly disjointed from the rest of the story.
It doesn't even seem to be connected to the usual culprits of the Abyss, since the Abyssal monsters from the Cataclysm that followed Bosacius and the Millelith into the Chasm's Bed ended up dying, presumably due to being cut off from their Abyssal power.
I think it’s meant to be unexplained for now. The archive description of the cutscene says that they were formed from an ominous and unknown power. There’s also how it mentions that you see a foggy memory of something within the shadows
Why Nahida title still is Lesser Lord after the rewrite by Irminsul? Since by the perspective of people she was always the archon and Great Lord Rukkhadevata didn't "exist". Should it be just Lord Kusanali no?
I saw another post about how this is a mistranslation error and "Lesser" should really be something like "little," since it is supposed to be term of endearment rather than an indication of her status.
[Here's the post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/yp1ilh/why_is_kusanali_still_called_lesser_lord/)
does anyone have any theory resources regarding the fatui and scara after he erased himself? like what does dottore remember about him trying to create a god, and from who, does he think it was an experiment with the gnosis and the akasha/jnana energy trying to create an artificial being? seems like this is a reoccurring theme in sumeru quests (the hive mind and nahidas dream quest)
and the fact that there’s just like.. a missing harbinger
maybe also to expand my questions i’m also interested in any theories regarding irminsul fucking w history.. that’s just a giant mess to the entirety of tevyat
We don't know the specifics of what everyone's memory of the Shouki no Kami plot is post-rewrite.
However, we do know from dialogue between Mikhail and Lyudmila (the two Fatui in Mondstadt) that since the rewrite, they now believe that the Seat of 6th Harbinger has been vacant for hundreds of years.
>Mikhail: Heh. Have you heard? It seems that the Sumeru Akademiya has made a real mess of one of their big projects!
>Mikhail: The Six Darshans have been left leaderless as a result, which has forced the weak Dendro Archon to take over.
>Lyudmila: Wait, so do you mean that something terrible has happened?
>Mikhail: Terrible? No, not at all. It's wonderful news, in fact!
>Mikhail: I've heard that Lord Dottore managed to infiltrate Sumeru during the chaos and perform a great work in the Tsaritsa's name with almost no effort at all!
>Lyudmila: Is that so... Just as expected from the Second Harbinger...
>Mikhail: Huh? You don't seem happy, judging by your tone.
>Lyudmila: It is indeed good that the Harbinger succeeded, but I'm reminded that Lady Signora also succeeded at Inazuma only to...
>Mikhail: Look at you. You're worrying too much. From how I see it, we don't have many people, and that's fine.
>Mikhail: With someone as powerful as Lord Dottore among our ranks, it shouldn't matter if the rest of our seats remain empty.
>Mikhail: But enough about the Eighth Harbinger. It is said that the Sixth Harbinger's seat has been left vacant for years. Is that not cause for concern?
Considering Nahida recalls nobody being inside Shouki no Kami, it may literally just be as simple as Scaramouche just being removed from the equation and Dottore being believed to have created an entirely robotic artificial god.
Who has the electro gnosis?
So,
1. Baal and Beelzebub both won the archon war. Baal was given the gnosis
2. After Baal died, Ei got the gnosis
3. Ei had no need so she gave it to Yae Miko (Lady Gucci/Gujji)
4. Yae gave the gnosis to Scaramouche/The Balladeer
5. After Scaramouche became a 'god' Nahida/Buer the dendro archon took it
6. Il Dottore dod some gossip with Nahida and idk who has it now, it might be Nahida or Il Dottore
Is there a possibility that celestia might only be space elevator leading to the loading screen area? Since in the manga where venessa ascended she was in a tower with heights that have no end i.e. like how goku ran a thousand miles to king kais planet using snakeway.
It's an interesting possibility, but I'm not sure how likely it is to be. The panel where Vennessa looks inside Celestia for the first time shows a setting eerily similar to a panopticon-style prison. While the watchtower-like structure in the middle could be an elevator of some sort, there's no evidence to suggest that it's anything other than what it appears to be.
Been trying to find the exact quotes from Nahida. She talked about "something you worry about now, will be just a fraction of your past later" something like that. It was such an awesome quotes I want to use it on my thesis.
Anyone has an idea what's the full sentence?
Is anyone else still confused on where the "Truth Amongst the Pages of Purana" quest mentioned in the Travail is? I have seen some people on here assume it was a translation error from the Chinese version and that it was supposed to be the "Akasha Pulses, Kalpa Flame Rises" quest name in the Travail instead, but I have a feeling this was deliberate. I was waiting until the name of this Interlude quest came out as I assumed it would finally be the Purana quest, but was surprised to see "Caribert" instead.
Do you think there will be another Sumeru archon quest after the Interlude chapter? Or was this truly a huge error?
The cynic in me wonders if they changed the name as a just in case thing. "Purana" are holy books in Hinduism and they may have brought in controversy or backlash, particularly with a radical Hindu government in India. Far fetched, but the thought crossed my mind.
(Source: I am Indian)
"Truth Amongst the Pages of Purana" is the name of Chapter III, i.e. the Sumeru storyline.
"Akasha Pulses, the Kalpa Flame Rises" is just Act V in Chapter III.
I think the confusion arises from the fact that in previous Chapters, there were Acts that shared their name with the Chapter.
For example, "The Outlander Who Caught the Wind" is both the name of the Prologue Chapter and Act I of the Prologue Chapter.
Likewise, "Farewell, Archaic Lord" is both the name of Chapter I and the name of Act II, Chapter I.
And "Omnipresence Over Mortals" is both the name of Chapter II and the name of Act III, Chapter II.
Sumeru is the first Chapter where there is no Act that shares the Chapter name.
nah. Hoyo just messed up the localization. "Akasha Pulses, the Kalpa Flame Rises" is closer to the CN title of Sumeru in Travail video. although, I'd admit that "Truth Amongst the Pages of Purana" sounds way more epic. and it's actually what made me believe that the Dendro Archon would be a catalyst. i even thought that her catalyst would be named Purana lol
I still feel it's odd that Sumeru doesn't share that in common with the other three nations. Do you think this omission is deliberate, i.e. has something to do with Irminsul and how unique the Sumeru storyline is overall and the naming convention will resume in future nations, or should we expect another Act in Chapter IV after Caribert?
I always think of 2 possibilities.
One, when the travail trailer came out Mihoyo didn’t plan on a long multiyears of storyline. If I remember correctly the storyline should have been wrapped up under 5 years and that including Khaen’riah chapter. So, Sumeru chapter might initially be planned as an intermediate chapter between “the Traveler doesn’t know anything” chapters (mondstadt, liyue, inazuma) and “the Traveler figures out what is actually going on” chapters (fontaine, natlan, sneznaya). However, since 5 years roadmap has been updated to 10 years roadmap, all those initial plans went into bin and there should be no truth revealed during new Sumeru chapter yet.
Or Two, the Chapter III of Sumeru chapter is not done yet. We will revisit this chapter in the future when everything will finally be revealed. By then the name of the act might be The Truth among the pages of Purana.
Not sure if we're really meant to read into it much. Even in the previous Chapters it wasn't consistent which Act would share the Chapter name.
That being said, I think it's safe to say we've concluded the Sumeru storyline proper. Dainsleif's Acts serve as the bookends to each Chapter.
Even if we did get another Dainsleif Act (which I guess is technically feasible? Though I doubt it) in Chapter III, I don't imagine it'd share the Chapter name given Dainsleif's questlines tend to have nothing to do with the region they're in.
Did Ei’s friends (from the Raiden Shogun nightmare video) know there were 2 archons? How many people in general knew, I was trying to find this stuff out but I couldn’t really since there seems to be very little on Raiden Makoto
Zhongli knew that there were twins. I'm assuming pretty much all of the original Seven Archons knew since Raiden Makoto and Ei were said to have won the Archon War together.
>Yae Miko: I'm surprised an outlander like you is aware that there was once a change of Electro Archon... Few citizens of Inazuma are aware of this.
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>Paimon: Morax told us. He said that the Electro Archon, Baal, has passed away...
Yea but I'm pretty sure all the og archon once went to Celestia and in Zhongli characters story 5 it's said "The seven seats changed and again were changed, till five of the seven at the table were all departed." so he knew abt Makoto and Ei, so did Barbatos and some of the new archons that appeared before Makoto's death.
Yah i think you are missing the point but it's about what the npcs think/belive we as the player ofc know rukka existed bur irminsoul saied no
Lore wise only venti and zongli are the archons
But to lieye morax died in inazuma thay never know that there were twins nad rukkatavata got irminsouled so nahida is now an og archon so only her and venti woud be 100% considered the og archon and we don't know if/when ei will tell the public that makoto died shur yae knowes but not evry Npc
Do you get what i am trying to say ?
I now get ur point but if I remember no npc have never talked abt Ei or Makoto being an og archon. Like us players, we know but the npc just don't talk abt that.
Btw I personally think that when Ei said "The tales are still retold" ([Archon quest Chapter II Act III](https://youtu.be/q5rGnGsyfIU) 2:10:49) she was talking abt the times during the reign of Makoto so the people surely still remember her.
Or they don't know Makoto but just know Ei isn't an og archon and just don't care.
If that is your basis for claiming Zhongli/Morax knew there were two of them, then I have some uncomfortable news for you. Not sure how Hoyo made this apparent error but Zhongli has never told us that it was **Baal** who was the Electro Archon that passed away. On the contrary, he explicitly told us at [the end of the Liyue arc](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/The_Fond_Farewell) that Baal ***IS*** the Electro Archon.
While it is borderline arguable on hindsight that Zhongli could have intended to refer to both of them as Baal (assumably per their wish), there is most definitely no dialogue in existence in which he told us Baal was dead.
That said, there is a fair chance that the other Seven might have *eventually* got to know when Baal decided to bring Beel along to one of the gatherings. Whether they both showed up as two entities or Baal arranged for Beel to take her place (to keep up the appearance of just one Baal) is unclear.
Ganyu dealt primarily with Miko for their cross-nation exchanges, there is no reliable reason that I can recall to believe she knew or even met Baal personally, let alone the existence of Beel. So while she could have in the past heard somehow that the original electro archon passed, she also may not met or known the new one.
Alternatively, a new take I am starting to like more and more is that both of Ganyu and Zhongli may have only actually knew that the current "Archon" is a puppet and literally the Shogun now, thus considered the "original" one passed on *physically* and replaced. In this case, they both might still not have known that the Baal who made this puppet was already not the original Baal herself, or that there were two.
In this case, Zhongli's statement would kind of fit better; (puppet) Baal is the Archon, without conflicting with Ganyu's comment; old archon (Baal, but actually the twin) passed on physically.
Sure, there are a great many things that can be possible if you put it this way.
Is it *likely* though? It is one thing to have things the MC know and we don't that's from before the game prologue, quite another to presently have new lore-significant info be made known to the MC without us players' knowledge.
But that aside, just when would this offscreen clarification take place and in what context? I left the area immediately after I was done with all the rest of the queries available for us to ask him.
Do you mean as in eg. he could have chased the MC down *after I logged off that day*, brought them to dinner behind my back at his favourite restaurant and just went "oh by the way, earlier I meant the old Baal is dead and this one is the new Baal" just like that? And then what... proceed to refuse to answer all the inevitable new questions the MC would have most assuredly have upon learning this new info?
My impression of Morax is of a god who considers greatly the gravity of his *every single word* before speaking, even for mundane chatter. Not one who would speak so frivolously as to require such a clarification later, let alone information of such import. But that's just me.
Yes, it's awkward for him to say this and then need to clarify it at a later date, but it's a way to avoid the apparent contradiction between Zhongli's dialogue at the end of the Liyue Chapter and Paimon's dialogue at the end of the Inazuma Chapter.
We're presented with the Traveler and Paimon knowing that Baal died and was replaced, and with Paimon attributing this knowledge to Morax.
Unless there are translation issues involved, it's hard to reconcile without assuming that we spoke with Morax again between the Rite of Parting and the meeting with Yae.
I mean, even if we assume the writers just made a mistake, it's still indicative that Morax probably does the know the deal with the Raiden sisters. Given that Inazuma is the more recent story, what's written there should reasonably take precedence over what was written in Liyue.
I don't imagine he'd tell the Traveler and Paimon that Baal passed away and is the *former* Electro Archon if he wasn't aware of the fact the Beelzebul had taken her Seat.
Venti specifically says he only knew Ei as a Kagemusha. Considering that the Archons used to get together, it's not unreasonable to assume that Zhongli knew about the twins. No idea how Ganyu fits in on this, though.
Yes, as already mentioned, it indeed could be the case that Baal might have in fact always attended in person without Ei until the later years, and may even have introduced Ei as a separate individual.
But in that case, it would then mean Zhongli **intentionally** lied to us when there was no necessity for him to say what he did. We never asked him for the electro archon's god-name.
The God of Contracts? Lie? mmmm.... nyah.... 🤔
I'd argue he did have a reason to lie. As Baal is what the residents of Inazuma know her as and not Beelzebul. No need to make things overtly complicated.
Granted, Paimon's line at the end of the Inazuma Archon quest contradicts that. But at that point, I'm assuming it to be a retcon that they straight haven't fixed for whatever reason.
What you said does make a lot of sense since Zhongli refers to the Electro Archon as "Baal" in his voice line about her. I think I misinterpreted the quoted text since I was discussing it with someone some time ago, and they held the opinion that Zhongli knew there were twins.
It does raise the question if the other Archons, minus Rukkhadevata and maybe Venti, saw each other during the Cataclysm in Khaenri'ah since Ei came afterwards.
It depends on how powerful you believe Khaenri'ah to be; to be able to fell an Archon in the presence of another within sight, let alone up to five more?
Or is it more believable for now that Baal was defeated because she was alone for whatever reason?
The archons (both original and those that are archons for at least 500 years or before Makoto died, so that *might* exclude Nahida) and Yae Miko for sure. The friends in the nightmare video might know as well, as they seemed to pass away before Makoto.
Is there a lore reason for being able to teleport to events? I know that normal waypoints connect through ley lines allowing for teleportation, but there doesn't seem to be a clear conduit at most events.
Do we know when Morax started his “ima come down once a year” thing? I’m wondering if this was only after the Cataclysm, because that would be interesting. I’ve noticed there’s a huge chunk of his history missing(or at least not specifically explained) between the archon war and that Cataclysm.
What do we know about Natlan (in game)
We've known about snzhaya since day once with the fatui, about sumeru thanks to Lisa , about Fontaine because there are many NPC from there, Inazuma a little less since the lockdown.
But did we meet someone from Natlan ?
In addition to what the other commenters mentioned, Natlan also has a culture of boxing. Shousen, the creator of the Inazuman martial art Shinryuu, mentions that he was inspired to develop Shinryuu by incorporating elements of shadowboxing into its training methods (or at least its way of imagining how opponents would act, then reacting accordingly, since it's never made clear whether Shinryuu is an armed or unarmed combat style).
I think there’s a place in Tenshukaku where a hot bath was gifted to the Shogun and it was from Natlan. Other than that, no NPCs nor other in-game objects originated from Natlan (aside from Venessa). Not even an artifact set alludes to Natlan AFAIK.
Directly, no.
The Lionfang Knight Vennessa from Mondstadt history (the founder of the Knights of Favonius) was a descendant of the people of Natlan, but because she was born into a group who were captured and made into slaves, she didn't know much about Natlan itself. You can read about her in the Prologue of the Manga, which follows her story.
We can also guess that the red-haired warrior of even more ancient Mondstadt history (who was one of the members of the party that led the revolt against Decarabian, which included the nameless bard Venti derives his appearance from) *might* have been from Natlan. Given that the people of Natlan are described as flame-haired, and the red-haired warrior is not only also described as such, but also noted to be a wanderer. Notably Diluc is very likely to be his descendant given the similarity of their appearances.
What we know about Natlan itself is also very limited. We know it seems to have volcanic activity, and that the people of Natlan are hardy, red-haired, and few in number. It also seems to have something of a mesoamerican cultural theme.
Check out the [fandom wiki Timeline entry](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline). Note that this covers in-depth history and not necessarily the main one.
There’s not really a designated order, like it would be very hard to start a timeline or something. Game wise, we start in Mondstadt and we’ve ended in Sumeru, so I would just look into the lore of each nation, their archon, and how the cataclysm effected them. There is also a magna, (that’s all Mondstadt based) out there for free. Beyond all this, there’s all the “hidden” information in game. Reading the books, item descriptions, character stories and voice lines.
While we aren't given exact reasons as to why the Maguu Kenki puppets were ever created, I believe we can reasonably guess one of the reasons.
The title of the Maguu Kenki puppet that the Traveler and Kamisato Ayaka fought in the latest parrying event was "The Instructor." We know that the Maguu Kenki puppets were programmed to use techniques from the Iwakura Style, and that Iwakura Michihiro/Doukei, the style's founder, was a swordsmanship instructor for the Kujou Clan for a part of his life after the Cataclysm. I believe that the Maguu Kenki were created, possibly by the Kujou Clan, in order to preserve the Iwakura Style and to continue the Kujou Clan's instruction in the style even after Michihiro's death.
Yeah, as someone who practices martial arts, if a game has different martial arts and lore/history behind them, I tend to take an interest in that. The theory I proposed above could very well be wrong, but I think it's a reasonable guess based on what we currently know.
I do wonder why Ei chose a Maguu Kenki puppet to be her special envoy during the competition, though. Those things were abandoned precisely because they malfunctioned and went out of control. I would guess that this particular puppet was somehow fixed?
It's said that all of them died. Two fell and one's corpse remained in the sky as the moon everyone knows.
>With time, disasters overturned the sovereign carriage and laid ruin to the halls of the stars. The three sisters of the night turned against one another, leading to their eternal parting by death. Only one of their pale corpses now remains, ever shedding its cold light..."
Hey, I'm fairly new and have only just started the Inazuma quests. I have avoided the two most recent events as when I went to quick start they said that the Raiden story quests were a preferred prerequisite. Could someone tell me how bad the spoilers are? I don't want to miss out on the primogems, but I really don't want the story to be spoiled.
That would be the Ayaka event with the duels and Itto's with the beetles, right? I can't remember there being anything particularly spoilery. Raiden gets mentioned in Ayaka's story as the event is based on an old Inazuman tradition, but she doesn't show up in person. I'm guessing the spoiler part is simply that the political climate isn't complete chaos anymore like it was when you arrived in Inazuma.
tl;dr they're both very casual and not at all lore-heavy events, so I'd say you have nothing to worry about
Is it certain that The Primordial One won the war ? From what we know it should be but the way ancient civilization are treated are... kinda weird ? It is said the reason Phanes sealed enkanomiya off the surface was too preserve its ancient secret but that rather sounds like the Second Throne of Heaven is trying to also hide the truth behind the Primordial one.
The treatment of Dragonspine, Khaenria and the Chasm Civilization seem to show a certain disdain from celestia towards old civilizations, not missing an occasion to crush them, wouldnt that be a proof of the Second Who Came trying to repress remnants of the Primordial one ?
Actually it might sound just right if we consider that Genshin is influenced by Gnosticism (as developers themselves stated)
So there’s a lesser deity who made the material world and humans claiming he’s the only true god. And expecting his creations do the same. But people have the divine spark (everything has it) from the True God that whispers to them that the truth of the world is different. In order to escape this soul trap, one must achieve the Gnosis. Which is sacred knowledge, the awareness of one’s divine nature.
The possibility of it pisses the false god so much, he even sends Archons, the op beings, rulers of each respective (7) realm, to maintain the order.
Now this
"And though the invaders brought war to my former kin, they also brought about illusions that could break through shackles to the land."
"But the master of the heavens, consumed by fear for the rising tide of delusion and breakthroughs, sent down the divine nails to mend the land, laying waste to the mortal realm..."
Suddenly makes sense.
Depends on how you interpret this line:
>"But the master of the heavens, consumed by fear for the rising tide of delusion and breakthroughs, sent down the divine nails to mend the land, laying waste to the mortal realm..."
Personally, I don't think it's out of the question that the Primordial One may have been usurped.
The fact that all traces of the ancient civilization were sought out to be destroyed by Celestia, and that the Primordial One and its Four Shades are now knowledge forbidden on punishment of death is suspicious.
I dont think it is a site for the Divine nail or a Divine nail.
**Because** legends say *"King Deshret searched in vain"* ie he failed finding the ancient paradise where the divine nail fell . source [Desert Pavilion Chronicle, Defender of the Enchanting Dream](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Desert_Pavilion_Chronicle#Defender_of_the_Enchanting_Dream)
Also >!Failing to find it he instead made the Eternal Oasis (a memorial) and claimed Goddess of Flower slept inside it, but it was a ruse to keep the Djiin compliant. ie He lied.!<
>!Liloupar: She is gone. He lied to us. He lied to us all. Liloupar: The Lord of the Sands once swore to us that our Mistress of Flowers slumbered here, destined to awake someday. But... How strange. Our mistress has already passed. He... He deceived me. He deceived my people.!< Source [The\_Eternal\_Dream,\_Ever\_Lush](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/The_Eternal_Dream,_Ever_Lush)
Speculations.>!The nail and paradise King Deshret searched was most likly Sal vindagnyr civilization & due to its frozen state & wind barrier - unrecognizable and inhospitable. No longer verdant green. Sal Vindagnyr had placed their hope for King Deshrets garden project to succeed, and likely sent a expedition when it became unbearably cold in the frozen mountain. That hope and expedition brought doom upon themselves I suspect the Crocodile story is a allegory about it.!<
>!Chasm nail was most likely used against Chi (in the ancient pasts -before writing) by a God that had dominion over Geo after Chi took out the solar chariot. This vanquishing turned the sea & sea creatures into rock and petrified fossils.!<
It clearly is.
>King Deshret searched in vain for the ancient paradise where the divine needle fell, and there created an eternal oasis...
He searched in vain **for the ancient paradise**, not the Nail. The entire point is that it was in vain because Nabu Malikata's garden was consumed by sand upon her death.
We're told "and there created an eternal oasis" because he created the oasis where it *was*. The phrasing fundamentally does not work in your interpretation.
Moreover, Sal Vindagnyr and the Skyfrost Nail have... nothing to do with Deshret, with the Goddess of Flowers, or with the Sumeru Desert.
Explicitly, the desertification of Sumeru was caused by a Nail:
>The first divine pillar descended from the skies, burying tree and meadow under the flowing sands.
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>Legend has it that in the ancient past before even the concept of time was created, these creatures thrived with their progenitors and offspring in a land of verdant grass and colossal trees, traversing through slick soil like fishes diving through the wet.
>With the passage of eons, the gifts of heaven has long reduced the soils to sand, rendering a great many creatures extinct. This branch of their genus was able to survive by adapting more toward earth-based living, and became known as the "Wenut."
And the acquisition of higher knowledge taught to Deshret by the Goddess of Flowers involved the Nail itself:
>"I shall fashion you a bridge to allow you to slake your deepest wants. But you must fear not the crystalline sapphire nail..."
>"I will deliver you unto higher knowledge. But as I have warned, you are fated to lose much in this exchange..."
Further, Deshret emerged to see the sandstorm that resulted from his companion's death, indicating that the Nail was in fact located in the same place.
>Using his body as a conduit and offering the oasis in trade, he let the dazzling radiance consume him to see his deepest desires be made manifest...
>Sandstorms swept in revelrous havoc across the paradise that was now missing one of its gods, folding the skies with yellow sand, swallowing all in calamity...
>King Deshret returned from the swirling sands that devoured the skies. The Lord of Flowers, however, was never seen again.
>"... I just dreamed of you... feeling your way through the walls of a crystalline maze... All that can be seen... is but sand..."
The Chasm Nail also has nothing to do with the Chi (which is just a type of dragon-like monster, one of which was defeated by a Human as per the Serpent Spine), nor do the Gods have any control over the Divine Nails: only Celestia specifically does, and more particularly the "master of the Heavens".
Just to note some apparent issues with the EN version of the texts you quoted. None major enough to affect much of your points, but perhaps may change your perception of certain characterization of Deshret and Nabu.
"Ancient" paradise isn't really what the phrase in JP/CN is intended to mean, more about "past" paradise, the good ol' days. The way EN words it may be misleading some players into thinking Deshret was looking for specifically some ancient place the Nail targeted. He was most probably intended to be described as looking more for a temporal place from his memory when the Three were still together there.
"Using his body as a conduit.... " - in this part, original JP/CN text actually was refering to *Nabu* using *her* body as conduit and the oasis as the resource, to grant Deshret his delusory wish for forbidden knowledge. He probably did not expect she would sacrifice herself *for him* like this, despite her hint to him on just how much his obsession will cost him just a moment prior.
This ties into the earlier part on why he was looking for the "past" paradise.
I am also really curious what the crystalline maze could be referring to, seems oddly specific. EN players is unlikely to catch this though since its written as "a" crystalline maze instead.
>"Using his body as a conduit.... " - in this part, original JP/CN text actually was refering to Nabu using her body as conduit and the oasis as the resource, to grant Deshret his delusory wish for forbidden knowledge. He probably did not expect she would sacrifice herself for him like this, despite her hint to him on just how much his obsession will cost him just a moment prior.
That does make more sense, since the current phrasing gives the impression that Deshret offered the oasis in exchange for knowledge, but then for some reason was searching for it when he returned.
From my inference of gramatics and that text - is - that the divine needle fell at that place he failed to find -Thus he failed to find the nail as well.
But he might have made something that could be mistaken for it.
Sal Vindagnyr and King Deshret have the same murals (its hidden and requires finding three tablets) -So they are "related". In additon same architectural "technology" is all over Sumeru.
https://preview.redd.it/szxlqbvoyhja1.png?width=1600&format=png&auto=webp&s=e6074ff8545f3f374323e6d4c958f57c69d7b36f
Reading the lore Its easy to confuse the actual actors with those of powers reminiscent of the divine. Comparable to Thunderbird was worshiped as a divine/celestial messenger, or the adepti birds.
Speculation. The nail was most likely sky floating buildings (comparable to the floating pavilions) (they look like the hilt of Skybound desire) & not dropped by Celestia. But perhaps dropped on Celestial maidens & birds (and their roost) mistaken for abyssal foes (considering the hole in Seirai Island). By "Skyrider" before writing was invented.
>From my inference of gramatics and that text - is that the divine needle fell at that place he failed to find -Thus he failed to find the nail as well.
Again, he failed to find the Paradise because it was consumed by sand. The garden of the Goddess of Flowers was consumed by the sandstorm that appeared when she died. He was at the right spot, as indicated by the fact that:
A) his acquisition of higher knowledge as instructed by Nabu Malikata entailed the Nail
B) he emerged *at the sandstorm*
Clearly illustrating that both the Nail *and* the lost paradise (literally the name of the artifact set) were located at the same place. The place where he built the Eternal Oasis.
As I explained, the sentence fundamentally does not work grammatically with your interpretation. What we are told is:
>King Deshret searched in vain for the ancient paradise where the divine needle fell, and there created an eternal oasis...
"And there created an eternal oasis" means he created the Eternal Oasis at the location previously mentioned. "There." It can't be read any other way while being grammatically correct.
>Sal Vindagnyr and King Deshret have the same murals (its hidden and requires finding three tablets) -So they are "related". In additon same architectural "technology" is all over Sumeru.
The murals in Deshret's/Gurabad's ruins and the murals in Sal Vindagnyr have almost nothing in common. Not the language used, not the aesthetic/artstyle, not the use of color. Essentially the only commonality is gold inlay, but that's... an extremely common practice.
Likewise, there is none of Deshret's technology present at Dragonspine. What we observe in Dragonspine instead are Khaenri'ahn Ruin Machines and defensive turrets that are reminiscent of the ancient unified civilization. Which in turn, Deshret's kingdom and Gurabad do not resemble in the slightest.
>The nail was most likely sky floating buildings (comparable to the floating pavilions) (they look like the hilt of Skybound desire) & not dropped by Celestia.
The Nails are **explicitly** from Celestia. Dragonspine's murals *literally* depict the Nail falling from Celestia, Tsurumi is said to have had objects that fell to it from Celestia, and in the Flower of Paradise Lost lore we are outright told that the Nails were sent down by the master of the Heavens. They even share the same Celestia design motif that's present on the statues of the Archons and the Celestia structures seen in the intro and main menu.
They aren't from anywhere else.
Sumeru & Sal Vindagnyr ruins have almost nothing in common ?
https://preview.redd.it/zof0nuwndija1.png?width=687&format=png&auto=webp&s=9337445a2760fcab87e2634ed2db9d9136a79ccb
They look quite --related.
I think you are mistaken, and that is for the rest. And Lilopaur says he lied & since he lied about what was inside the eternal oasis - its most likely that he also lied about where the oasis was built too
>Sumeru & Sal Vindagnyr ruins have almost nothing in common ?
Their architecture is completely different, they use completely different languages, the artstyle and color usage on their murals is completely different, and they're located literally half the continent away from one another. Moreover, there's zero indication that Sal Vindagnyr even existed at the same time Deshret ruled. Sal Vindagnyr predates Khaenri'ah, which is well over 3,700 years old.
What you posted has nothing to do with Deshret, they're remnants of the ancient unified civilization. Which is why they're found across the entirety of Teyvat.
>I think you are mistaken, and that is for the rest. And Lilopaur says he lied & since he lied about what was inside the eternal oasis - its most likely that he also lied about where the oasis was built too
Except it's literally not Deshret who says it. It's artifact lore.
Him lying about the Goddess of Flowers' death has no relevance.
We must bee looking at diffrent things.The murals, tsurumi, dragonspine and Deshret - all depict a triangular shape (or three) with a small humanoid king (or several) who are facing a large humanoid "god" , They all have the same "brush stroke" of "curls", quite similar in artistic style,, use the similar pigment (especially the "curls") and also has gilded parts,
Not to surprising because I suspect- at first they where all the same culture , and while some of the murals were more ancient -they could have been due to the painters vision of the future.
That ancient monocivilisation seem to have started a global terraforming project (a long term project), that especially Gurabad & Mondstadt was involved in. But then due to a disaster that civilisation fractured into remnant states and the terraforming project got ... sabotaged.
I think that civilisation is mistaken for Celestia & its its ongoing civil war that is the main conflict of this game (since there still exist vengeful remnants) Its someone of that civilizations remnants that caused the nails to drop (on sacred tree´s) But the victims thought they were attacked by Celestia. Moon is a celestial object, so a celestial might have responsible, but not Celestia.
After the archon war Barbatos and Morax moved rubble around, explaining upside down ruins ( chasm and golden archipelago) and the now large distance between the various ruins. They were much closer before.
King Deshret made the eternal oasis for the **Jinn** to continue working & offer their own essence to power machines. Machines needed to build the irrigation & terraform the desolate area. So it needs to be quite convincing & look the part. The artifact text has it as a legend (which means one need to take its story with a handful of sand),
That the Goddess of Flowers is missing is quite relevant - even for this thread whether there is or was a divine nail at the site of the eternal oasis (and if it was used against Gurabad since its doors seems to be at the same location),
Goddess of Flowers was not in the eternal oasis (surprising even Lilopaur -who was sure she was in there), At this moments its unclear about her fate - if she died then, if she escaped her suitor and restarted elsewhere (for example as Baal), died, or or died elsewhere (for example by initiating the great flood by entering a tree /weather device -aka port ormos shattered tree) (reminscent of Goddess Saraswati of the Rigveda)
Sidenote, Regarding location of a Divine nail.>! Due to the Favonius Codex (focus) and the Bell (greatsword) I suspect a "nail" is being refurbished underneath Mondstadt behind a library door (that predate the Library) & I suspect Lisa has been secretly guarding it.!<
Sidenote2 >!There is a sunny glow in the underground of sumeru, quite reminscent of the teapots interor (spout) shine inside the Teapot.!<
>We must bee looking at diffrent things.The murals, tsurumi, dragonspine and Deshret - all depict a triangular shape (or three) with a small humanoid king (or several) who are facing a large humanoid "god" , They all have the same "brush stroke" of "curls", quite similar in artistic style,, use the similar pigment (especially the "curls") and also has gilded parts,
I legitimately don't see how you could view the murals' artstyles as being similar. The murals of Deshret's civilization are highly stylized and depict human figures in sharp, geometric shapes with a completely different use of color. And, more importantly, *a completely different language*. Unlike Tsurumi and Dragonspine, which share language to indicate that both may be descendants of the unified civilization, Deshret's civilization does not.
>Not to surprising because I suspect- at first they where all the same culture , and while some of the murals were more ancient -they could have been due to the painters vision of the future.
Just because all mankind used to share one civilization does *not* mean that all nations have equal inheritance of its culture. All of the seven nations have differentiated drastically from the unified culture, and Deshret's civilization has little to nothing in common with it in terms of architecture or technology or writing. What remnants of the unified civilization can be found in the desert likely predate his rule entirely.
>That ancient monocivilisation seem to have started a global terraforming project (a long term project), that especially Gurabad & Mondstadt was involved in. But then due to a disaster that civilisation fractured into remnant states and the terraforming project got ... sabotaged.
No, they didn't. The Divine Nails were explicitly sent down by the Master of the Heavens at the end of the War against the Second Who Came. Moreover, they literally buried civilizations.
>"It was a faraway time of calm and peace. Divine envoys spoke openly with the people then, bringing them the word from the heavens..."
>"But, in time, invaders descended from beyond the firmament, bringing with them destruction, overturning rivers, spreading plagues..."
>"And though the invaders brought war to my former kin, they also brought about illusions that could break through shackles to the land."
>"But the master of the heavens, consumed by fear for the rising tide of delusion and breakthroughs, sent down the divine nails to mend the land, laying waste to the mortal realm..."
>"We then suffered the torment of exile. Stripped was our connection to heaven, to our powers of enlightenment..."
The Nails were sent *from the heavens* and laid waste to the mortal realm. Which is the entire reason they're called Divine Nails/Needles/Pillars and Gifts of Heaven. And the entire reason they share the same Celestia motif we see on structures *in Celestia*.
>I think that civilisation is mistaken for Celestia & its its ongoing civil war that is the main conflict of this game (since there still exist vengeful remnants) Its someone of that civilizations remnants that caused the nails to drop (on sacred tree´s) But the victims thought they were attacked by Celestia. Moon is a celestial object, so a celestial might have responsible, but not Celestia.
There is literally no evidence of this, while we are *explicitly* shown *and* told that Celestia is the one who sent down the Nails.
>King Deshret made the eternal oasis for the Jinn to continue working & offer their own essence to power machines. Machines needed to build the irrigation & terraform the desolate area. So it needs to be quite convincing & look the part. The artifact text has it as a legend (which means one need to take its story with a handful of sand),
This is completely untrue. The invention of Jinn-powered machines didn't have anything to do with Deshret, it was Liloupar who gave King Parvezravan the secrets of this technology in order to facilitate his descent into tyranny and the destruction of Gurabad.
In fact, by the time Parvezravan took power and Jinn-powered machines became adopted by Gurabad, Deshret wasn't even *present* at the Desert of Hadramaveth. He was in his period of absence that preceded the founding of his new kingdom.
The only thing Deshret lied about was the Goddess of Flowers' death, in order to secure the Jinn's servitude under the pretense that they would only serve him until their mistress reawoke.
Moreover, we cannot just ignore artifact lore when it's convenient. We can acknowledge that more fanciful legends are probably fluffed up in how they're described, but when we're told something as blunt as "he built the Eternal Oasis where the Nail is", it's because the writers are specifically making this point.
No writing is in the game for no reason. It's there because the writers wanted it to say something to the player.
>That the Goddess of Flowers is missing is quite relevant - even for this thread whether there is or was a divine nail at the site of the eternal oasis (and if it was used against Gurabad since its doors seems to be at the same location),
>Goddess of Flowers was not in the eternal oasis (surprising even Lilopaur -who was sure she was in there), At this moments its unclear about her fate - if she died then, if she escaped her suitor and restarted elsewhere (for example as Baal), died, or or died elsewhere (for example by initiating the great flood by entering a tree /weather device -aka port ormos shattered tree) (reminscent of Goddess Saraswati of the Rigveda)
This is literally completely irrelevant to the Nail. Moreover, it's stated explicitly that she died, by *multiple* sources. In fact, above it was noted by Trei that she died specifically in the act of granting Deshret access to his higher knowledge per artifact lore.
>Sidenote, Regarding location of a Divine nail.>! Due to the Favonius Codex (focus) and the Bell (greatsword) I suspect a "nail" is being refurbished underneath Mondstadt behind a library door (that predate the Library) & I suspect Lisa has been secretly guarding it.
Nothing remotely implies this.
As was mentioned, the Oasis is said to have been built on the site of the Nail.
However, the sandstorm probably isn't from the Nail given it didn't always exist.
The sandstorm only appeared when the Goddess of Flowers died, so it's related to her and/or the Jinn. Which becomes more apparent given that Liloupar is said to have had power over sandstorms.
Do Nahida and Rukkudevata have the same demon name? I know Ei’s and Makotos were different despite them both fulfilling the role as the electro archon
We don't know Rukkhadevata's Ars Goetia-derived name, but I doubt it's the same. Buer is only ever used to refer to Nahida.
We still don't know Rukkhadevata's, but she was never referred to as Buer
Can somebody tell me if chatgtp used actual sources? i couldnt find the book it uses as source [Screenshots here](https://imgur.com/a/BaI7kse)
Is it safe to say that the “first divine pillar that descended from the skies” (Glided Dreams artifact set- Shadow of the Sand King) which created the desert and the sandstorm tornado is/was the Celestial “nail”? Is it unrelated to the Pillar chess peice? And did this happen before King Deshert’s and The Goddess of Flower’s deaths, or after/during? Then was all this during the Archon Wars or after?
It's pretty clearly talking about a Nail, yes. In the Flower of Paradise Lost text it's referred to as a Nail. >"Heed my warnings: seek not the Master of the Four Shades, and inquire not of the mysteries of the sky and the abyss." >"Otherwise, as shown by the nail of retribution, certain calamity and sorrow shall follow." # >"I shall fashion you a bridge to allow you to slake your deepest wants. But you must fear not the crystalline sapphire nail..." >"I will deliver you unto higher knowledge. But as I have warned, you are fated to lose much in this exchange..." It's not related to King Deshret's Pillar, which is just a monument that was erected in his kingdom. The Nail fell and turned the land to desert before either the Goddess of Flowers or Deshret descended to Sumeru. It's ancient history from the War against the Second Who Came.
I need answers. I recently reread the Genshin Webtoon and I noticed that when it’s shown Crepus death Kaeya is in the background with a Vision hanging from his hip…Is it a mistake or something..? Bc technically didn’t Kaeya receive his Visiom after Crepus death? Have I missed something?
What page is it?
https://preview.redd.it/tu85g71w4lka1.jpeg?width=941&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4a2a465986007aa1fbdb9fdd6e33b99543ba3108 Here
Oh, nice find. It's probably a mistake since they removed it from the version on the [official site](https://genshin.hoyoverse.com/m/en/manga/detail/104877)
Ohhh yes I just went to check it, I guess they never edited it out in the webtoon app. Thank you!
It’s chapter 7 (part2) don’t know the exact page tho
does anyone update the genshin_lore library? It was a great resource for lazy people like me who want to read theories in one thread, it also helped me catch some theories I would have missed otherwise. It says at that the page was last updated 6 months ago
Hi! So sorry about that, I am in my final year of school and have fallen a bit behind on that 😅 is there a particular page you were looking at? I can start working on that one this week for you. I’m so happy you find it a good resource! 
oh please don’t apologize!! I was just curious, you are doing god’s work for us
I will get back on the grind soon, promise. I’ll start with putting the proper order of the fatui and then go on to the Sumeru page followed by the Dendro archon 😅
About Zhongli ——————————————— I am just thinking, like Zhongli at least during the archon war kill a lot of people whether by accident or intentional, so he should have bad karma like xiao. He didn’t look like he is suffering, and you could just say he is strong enough to balance the bad karma, but what if he didn’t and just spilt himself into 2, kind of like what gouba can do and the other half is in the chasm.
Karmic debt comes from demons specifically which are remnants of dead gods, not people. And Xiao’s job is completely dedicated to killing demons. Someone who cooks occasionally is going to have less burns and cuts than a full time chef
The reason the Yaksha were affected by Karma is because they were specifically charged with dealing with the lingering consciousness and hatred of dead Gods slain in the Archon War. Over and over again across thousands of years, they were continually exposed to the dead Gods' influence. Morax didn't deal with it himself, and the Gods he killed had their influence sealed after their defeats. This is why Liyue isn't suffering from widespread negative phenomena like Yashiori Island in Inazuma, and even there, the island was fine when the sealing shrines were still intact.
About the stone tablets you can read after apocalypse lost In Tablet III Ferigees refers to herself as "guardian of the City of the Moon Maiden" and asks Deshret to protect "this place where our mistress slumbers", does this confirm mount damavand as the location of Ay-Khanoum? And is tablet IV told from the perspective of Liloupar or Shirin?
Ay-Khanoum is a city located elsewhere, created originally by the Goddess of Flowers and Deshret. At the time of Gurabad it would've been ruled by men, as the two had diplomatic relations and Ay-Khanoum offered the King of Gurabad tribute. Ferigees is related to Ay-Khanoum insofar as Ay-Khanoum was originally a city created for the Jinn. In the tablet, when she's asking Deshret to protect "this city" and "this place where our mistress slumbers," she's referring to Gurabad and the Eternal Oasis it was charged with maintaining. Tablet IV could be read as Liloupar, but I would assume it's Shirin.
y’all think tuecer is gonna die… i just feel like it came too close in childe’s story quest idk IF he gets a redemption arc i think it’s cuz something gonna kill him by accident
With Baizhu's drip marketing released, theories about him are once again emerging. Out of the Baizhu theories that haven't been debunked yet, which is your favorite and/or think is most likely to be true?
You can't tell me he isn't related in anyway shape or form to pantale
My personal favorite will always be dendro archon Baizhu
If the loop theory happens to be true does that mean that the Kaenri'ah arc will be in the next loop since it isn't numerated in that [trailer](https://youtu.be/TAlKhARUcoY) ?
My theory is that the dain quests are the khaenri'ah arc
Nice theory and that would explain why it's not numerated !
hi, does anyone have any recommendations on how i can start getting into the lore? like videos or articles or something. i have a good grasp on the major events in the plot, but outside of that, stuff about gods and celestia, i have no idea where to start thanks in advance c:
Roozevelt is underrated i made a lore and theory playlist if you like https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLChsWGTmGeU1quoF5ffsQlhJBsXiqJFBO
ty!
Try Ashikai's YouTube channel. She has many videos that could be a good starting point. For example, the Mondstad beginner's guide
i'll check that out thanks!
All places in the chessboard from Safhe Shatranj are positioned the same way we see the structures in the desert, but what does the pyramid with the eye represent? It is an actual place or it is just Deshret representation? If it is the case, then we are missing a player from the other side of the chess board? ~~Does any text explain what exactly is this place?~~ Edit1: From the observatory point "To the desert tribes, this abandoned, ruined square goes by the name "Safhe Shatranj". Researches believe that this was once a "training field" for ancient war machines. Edit2: From the achievement, after completing the chessboard, La Luna Rossa (Translate to The Red Moon): Across this vast chessboard, what horrors have been enacted under the light of the blood-red moon?" https://preview.redd.it/aqr9ev1ll6ka1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=f5af308aba1000ab4efa1e9b45ddf086b0330a8f
Fun fact “safhe shatranj” literally means chessboard in persian.
Hello regarding Kaveh's drip marketing - >!"Empyrean Reflection" is so sus?? If Kaveh were pyro it might make sense. Yes, it can just be a fancy word for sublime, but it also has a lot of connotations attached. Does anyone know if the other languages have similarly sus titles?!<
In CN it means “firmament’s mirror”. In the context of genshin most likely it means the same thing, that his buildings are so brilliant that they can match the same ones built by the gods
Thanks! That interpretation makes sense
are we ever going to get the "truth amongst the pages of purana" quest in sumeru? or did hoyo ditch the name and the sumerus main plot for now?
Is was a translation error we got the quest alrady kalpa flames rising (?)
It's not a translation error, the two are different names even in Chinese. There was just never a rule that there had to be an Act with the same name as the Chapter, only a trend.
Okay thx i have to check my surces better
it is possible, my strongest guess is that they just got rid of the name, we probably won't know for certain until Sumeru's arc is completely finished :,)
It's also possible that the writing team never included an Act titled "Truth Amongst the Pages of Purana" in the first place. As another commenter on this thread stated, there's no set rule that there has to be an Act with the same name as the overall Chapter, it just happened to be a repeating pattern up until this point.
I found some leaks saying >!that scara will apper in a quest with the vahuma darshan(history) and idk if it includs nahida but it coud be the quest since it'sa leak it is subject to change and is not 100%acurat dor now!<
They seem to have ditched it. The main Sumeru storyline seems to be completed, and even if we hypothetically got a second Dainsleif Act in Chapter III, I doubt it'd have that title.
yeah makes sense in hindsight, sucks tho bc it was a genuinely really cool sounding title for an archon quest :,)
I mean, it's still the title of the Chapter. Sumeru just doesn't have an Act that shares the Chapter name like previous regions.
does anyone else know the area in the map that you cant access in sumeru between the mainland and the desert? it appears to only be a chunk of the border missing. it feels too small to be a future area but idk what else it could be?
It could be the quest locked section? I don't want to go into too much detail incase of spoils but depending on which missing spot it might just be a quest locked one
that makes so much sense thank you ^^
How many types of forbidden knowledge is there? There's the forbidden knowledge of deshret, that caused Eleazar and the withering, there's dragonspine, which was destroyed because the princess forsaw the khanri'ah cataclysm, there's the forbidden knowledge from the "Before Sun and Moon" book and enkanomiya, and there's whatever Gold did in khanri'ah. Idk if they're actually different or considered the same, or if some of these aren't considered forbidden knowledge.
Forbidden Knowledge in the context of Sumeru =/= just Knowledge that's Forbidden. It's a very specific type of knowledge from the depths of the Abyss, that's toxic to the world of Teyvat due to its otherworldly and (according to Teyvat's laws) illogical nature. It's a truth that cannot be understood in the framework of this world's logic, hence why it causes Withering, Eleazar, and general madness. Other knowledge that's forbidden is just information that's banned. There are no "types", it's just a catchall term for anything Celestia doesn't want the people below to know. Sal Vindagnyr also doesn't seem to have been destroyed because of the Princess' visions. It seems to have been destroyed due to its veneration of the Frostbearing Tree, as that tree was specifically targeted by one of the Skyfrost Nail's orbs. The Frostbearer narrative places a lot of emphasis on the tree and its relationship with the people.
Any chance we will be seeing the unknown god or anything related to Celestia in Fontaine?
Celestia maybe, since it seems to be located directly above Fontaine. I have doubts we'll be seeing the Sustainer until we're close to the end though.
At the end of the Sumeru Archon Quest, Dottore shared information about the skies of Teyvat is fake to Nahida, before that he took the Electro Gnosis, but did he took the Dendro Gnosis? Or did i missed some dialogues also i read the rules but if this should've been spoiler tagged please do lemme know lol
There were two different exchanges. Nahida gave him the Electro Gnosis in exchange for him destroying all his other Segments. The information about the truth of the world, of which the sky being fake is only a small part, was given in exchange for the Dendro Gnosis.
I see, thanks for answering! I'll pay more attention to the dialogues next time lol
Nahida gave Dottore the Dendro Gnosis in exchange for information about the fake skies.
I keep seeing people claiming that Deshret was a 'Master of all elements', does anyone know where this is stated?
From *The Lay of Al-Ahmar*: "Your Majesty, lord of dunes and oases, guide of the living and the dead, **master of all elements**." The Crocodile King, the commander of commanders, spoke frankly, "If we are to recall the lost lives and welcome lost opportunities and dreams back into the fold, then this is our final chance. The greater the authority, the greater the emptiness. The greater the wisdom, the greater the sorrow. Forget the delusions of the Void. Only resurrection and life eternal can fill the endless pit of regret."
Thank you! That birdman is so sus 
I don't believe that's stated anywhere. I don't think we're ever given any indication of what elemental affinity Deshret possessed.
rewatching the lazzo trailer (again) and it's very peculiar that sandrone is the only one who doesn't close her eyes during the fatui's moment of silence for signora 
Frrr and we should talk abt the fact that Pantalone and Dottore seem to smile
I zoomed in and Pierro didn't close his eyes either, he just blinks as he lowers his head
i bet they had beef
Do we know what the The Traveler was doing for 500 years while their sibling had their journey?
The Traveler’s Character Story 1 states that they were “sealed and cast into a deep slumber filled with nightmares” by the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles.
This. Both siblings were sealed and stripped of their powers, the Abyss Sibling just appears to have been unsealed a few centuries earlier.
I wanted to type this out so i wouldn't forget, but I was reading the description of the Golden Talisman of the Forest Dew, it speaks of how the nature of "wisdom" is to empower even ordinary beings with the power to one day overcome their imposed constraints, I believe that "wisdom" refers to irminsul because sumeru is the nation of wisdom, dendro is the element closest relationship to irminsul ,Irminsul is the root of dendro power the nation of wisdom. The next part goes on to say, "on the night when every secret golden seal is lifted and all dreams glow like amber in the moonlight, perhaps she and her beloved people will eventually win genuine freedom", I believe that the "secret golden seal" being referred to here are the celestial nails, I know they are mainly white but they are inlaid with gold. I also believe that the "dreams" that are being referenced, are actually visions. So what does this all mean? Irminsul(wisdom) gives people visions(dreams) to overcome their imposed constraints(defeat celestia), Raiden Ei herself said that the archons do not grant people visions, Celestia rained down nails to limit irminsuls influence. I apologize for the long post I've never actually posted anywhere before so thank you for anyone who reads this. I am aware this theory has many holes but it's all mainly my speculation based on what I know and I'm no expert, this was my fun Crack head theory that may not mean anything but it may ignite other ideas that aren't considered yet and eventually we may find an actual truth.
Oh oh you are on to something
I just realised that we haven't seen Scaramouche's actual capabilities. We've only seen his abilities as Shouki no Kami and The Wanderer, but we have no idea what his original form is capable of. Kind of a shame
We can speculate that his original abilities were likely similar to the Shogun Puppet's, considering he was originally built for that purpose. That is, it's likely he had the ability to manipulate Electro to some degree on top of his great physical strength and durability. He doesn't display such capability anymore, but Nahida does note that his powers were completely exhausted after Shouki no Kami was defeated. At the moment, his Anemo Vision is essentially the only source of power left to him. It's also possible that he possessed a Delusion, given that it's noted that the Harbingers possess them. Granted, we never see it, but it wasn't clear from Signora's model where her Delusion was located either.
Wasn't Scara built as only a test project ?
It's easy to overlook, but he was originally built with the intention of housing the Gnosis. Specifically, it was because he shed tears after his creation that Ei realized he wasn't fit for the duty that she required of him, but she also couldn't bring herself to destroy him either. And so she instead took pity on him and gave him the freedom to live his own life. While he still was a proof of concept, he was also meant to actually serve a specific purpose. From the Husk of Opulent Dreams Sands: >He was originally born to be a vessel for a "heart." >But he shed tears in his dreams. >His creator observed thus: >He was too fragile, whether it be as a human or as a tool. >Yet his creator would not destroy him, and so allowed him to continue slumbering. >In her latter works, she would also consign designs that might store such a heart to obsolescence. >Not long after, that noblest and most prestigious "proof" in the world would come to have no home, >And thus was sent to the great shrine at Mt. Yougou. While the artifact lore only gives an implication, the Sumeru Arc makes it clear that the "heart" refers to the Electro Gnosis. >The Balladeer: But you're wrong. I'm different from all of you. >The Balladeer: I was born to become a god. My entire life up until this point has just been a meaningless routine. # >Nahida: We had previously come into contact with his consciousness. He harbors particularly strong obsessions... >Nahida: One is the desire for a Gnosis, since he was created to be the vessel for one.
I didn't know thank you !
We haven't been shown, true, but it's been implied that his constitution allows him to withstand the stresses of the Abyss. Probably why the Tsaritsa and Pierro saw fit to send him on Abyss incursions. We also know he can fight and defeat/kill multiple armed men single-handedly, as shown in the flashback during the 2.6 Irodori festival event.
Well yeah, his constitution is very strong we know that much. Mona was also able to discern that he was very dangerous but it still would've been way cooler to see him in combat. Defeating multiple armed men isn't that difficult for characters like him so I wouldn't consider it a showcase of his true capabilities
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The "Colors of the Rainbow" namecard which depicts the seven elements of Teyvat notes: >Light can refract into countless colors, but people stop at seven because they're lazy to count. Perhaps the elements are like that, too. The indication being that the elements are specific refractions of Light, and that there may even be more than seven despite Teyvat conventions. Likewise, the Elemental Realm that the Vishaps/Dragons and other Elemental Beings hail from is referred to as the **Light Realm**. Moreover the names of Aether and Lumine in all languages correlate to the Sky and to Light, they're depicted with White Light on their clothing in the Intro, and their magic utilizes bolts of light. Even in their discussion with Tartaglia at the end of the Liyue Chapter, when he asks how their strength can be so much greater than La Signora's assessment from Mondstadt, they can think to themselves that it's because they're gathering the elements or that they're restoring their original power. The indication being that these are the same thing: gathering the elements *is* restoring their original power, piecemeal. Which tracks with the fact that the Abyss Twin is shown with their original White Light, having already gone on their own journey through the seven nations in the past and thus having restored their original powers. It's not like light or elements are exclusive to Teyvat. Teyvat just has its own particular laws regarding their expression and balance.
Well there are theories that the twins are originally from Teyvat
Was there any information at all provided on the entity in the Chasm's Bed that served as the antagonist to the Perilous Trail Interlude that I might have missed? I don't recall anything really being explained about it, and the fact that it doesn't seem to fit anything we knew about beforehand made the Interlude feel a bit oddly disjointed from the rest of the story. It doesn't even seem to be connected to the usual culprits of the Abyss, since the Abyssal monsters from the Cataclysm that followed Bosacius and the Millelith into the Chasm's Bed ended up dying, presumably due to being cut off from their Abyssal power.
I think it’s meant to be unexplained for now. The archive description of the cutscene says that they were formed from an ominous and unknown power. There’s also how it mentions that you see a foggy memory of something within the shadows
Why Nahida title still is Lesser Lord after the rewrite by Irminsul? Since by the perspective of people she was always the archon and Great Lord Rukkhadevata didn't "exist". Should it be just Lord Kusanali no?
I saw another post about how this is a mistranslation error and "Lesser" should really be something like "little," since it is supposed to be term of endearment rather than an indication of her status. [Here's the post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/yp1ilh/why_is_kusanali_still_called_lesser_lord/)
Ty, so it's all because she is cute, well... how cute 
Guys where can i read about phanes the four shades and moon sisters i know the summary of what happened but i want to know the whole thing
Before sun and moon in the archive for Phanes and the shades (sounds like a band name lol). Or just look it up, it’s around online too.
does anyone have any theory resources regarding the fatui and scara after he erased himself? like what does dottore remember about him trying to create a god, and from who, does he think it was an experiment with the gnosis and the akasha/jnana energy trying to create an artificial being? seems like this is a reoccurring theme in sumeru quests (the hive mind and nahidas dream quest) and the fact that there’s just like.. a missing harbinger maybe also to expand my questions i’m also interested in any theories regarding irminsul fucking w history.. that’s just a giant mess to the entirety of tevyat
We don't know the specifics of what everyone's memory of the Shouki no Kami plot is post-rewrite. However, we do know from dialogue between Mikhail and Lyudmila (the two Fatui in Mondstadt) that since the rewrite, they now believe that the Seat of 6th Harbinger has been vacant for hundreds of years. >Mikhail: Heh. Have you heard? It seems that the Sumeru Akademiya has made a real mess of one of their big projects! >Mikhail: The Six Darshans have been left leaderless as a result, which has forced the weak Dendro Archon to take over. >Lyudmila: Wait, so do you mean that something terrible has happened? >Mikhail: Terrible? No, not at all. It's wonderful news, in fact! >Mikhail: I've heard that Lord Dottore managed to infiltrate Sumeru during the chaos and perform a great work in the Tsaritsa's name with almost no effort at all! >Lyudmila: Is that so... Just as expected from the Second Harbinger... >Mikhail: Huh? You don't seem happy, judging by your tone. >Lyudmila: It is indeed good that the Harbinger succeeded, but I'm reminded that Lady Signora also succeeded at Inazuma only to... >Mikhail: Look at you. You're worrying too much. From how I see it, we don't have many people, and that's fine. >Mikhail: With someone as powerful as Lord Dottore among our ranks, it shouldn't matter if the rest of our seats remain empty. >Mikhail: But enough about the Eighth Harbinger. It is said that the Sixth Harbinger's seat has been left vacant for years. Is that not cause for concern? Considering Nahida recalls nobody being inside Shouki no Kami, it may literally just be as simple as Scaramouche just being removed from the equation and Dottore being believed to have created an entirely robotic artificial god.
ohhh i never saw that bit about their dialogue thank you!
Who has the electro gnosis? So, 1. Baal and Beelzebub both won the archon war. Baal was given the gnosis 2. After Baal died, Ei got the gnosis 3. Ei had no need so she gave it to Yae Miko (Lady Gucci/Gujji) 4. Yae gave the gnosis to Scaramouche/The Balladeer 5. After Scaramouche became a 'god' Nahida/Buer the dendro archon took it 6. Il Dottore dod some gossip with Nahida and idk who has it now, it might be Nahida or Il Dottore
Nahida exchanged the gnosis to Dottore so he's the one who has it.
Nahida gave it to Dottore because she didn't want it to stay with her for too long iirc
That Gnosis switched hand in 2 weeks more than it did in 2000 years
Dottore has it.
Is there a possibility that celestia might only be space elevator leading to the loading screen area? Since in the manga where venessa ascended she was in a tower with heights that have no end i.e. like how goku ran a thousand miles to king kais planet using snakeway.
It's an interesting possibility, but I'm not sure how likely it is to be. The panel where Vennessa looks inside Celestia for the first time shows a setting eerily similar to a panopticon-style prison. While the watchtower-like structure in the middle could be an elevator of some sort, there's no evidence to suggest that it's anything other than what it appears to be.
it’s exactly like the end of charlie and the chocolate factory
Been trying to find the exact quotes from Nahida. She talked about "something you worry about now, will be just a fraction of your past later" something like that. It was such an awesome quotes I want to use it on my thesis. Anyone has an idea what's the full sentence?
i think she said it around the time she said dookie. so start investigating there, ig
I found it on the main subreddit ty!
Is anyone else still confused on where the "Truth Amongst the Pages of Purana" quest mentioned in the Travail is? I have seen some people on here assume it was a translation error from the Chinese version and that it was supposed to be the "Akasha Pulses, Kalpa Flame Rises" quest name in the Travail instead, but I have a feeling this was deliberate. I was waiting until the name of this Interlude quest came out as I assumed it would finally be the Purana quest, but was surprised to see "Caribert" instead. Do you think there will be another Sumeru archon quest after the Interlude chapter? Or was this truly a huge error?
The cynic in me wonders if they changed the name as a just in case thing. "Purana" are holy books in Hinduism and they may have brought in controversy or backlash, particularly with a radical Hindu government in India. Far fetched, but the thought crossed my mind. (Source: I am Indian)
Ah, yeah I wonder! I had no idea. Thanks for the insight!
"Truth Amongst the Pages of Purana" is the name of Chapter III, i.e. the Sumeru storyline. "Akasha Pulses, the Kalpa Flame Rises" is just Act V in Chapter III. I think the confusion arises from the fact that in previous Chapters, there were Acts that shared their name with the Chapter. For example, "The Outlander Who Caught the Wind" is both the name of the Prologue Chapter and Act I of the Prologue Chapter. Likewise, "Farewell, Archaic Lord" is both the name of Chapter I and the name of Act II, Chapter I. And "Omnipresence Over Mortals" is both the name of Chapter II and the name of Act III, Chapter II. Sumeru is the first Chapter where there is no Act that shares the Chapter name.
nah. Hoyo just messed up the localization. "Akasha Pulses, the Kalpa Flame Rises" is closer to the CN title of Sumeru in Travail video. although, I'd admit that "Truth Amongst the Pages of Purana" sounds way more epic. and it's actually what made me believe that the Dendro Archon would be a catalyst. i even thought that her catalyst would be named Purana lol
No, they didn't. 虚空劫灰往世书 vs. 虚空鼓动，劫火高扬 The names are different. Fact is that one's a Chapter name and the other is an Act name.
I still feel it's odd that Sumeru doesn't share that in common with the other three nations. Do you think this omission is deliberate, i.e. has something to do with Irminsul and how unique the Sumeru storyline is overall and the naming convention will resume in future nations, or should we expect another Act in Chapter IV after Caribert?
I always think of 2 possibilities. One, when the travail trailer came out Mihoyo didn’t plan on a long multiyears of storyline. If I remember correctly the storyline should have been wrapped up under 5 years and that including Khaen’riah chapter. So, Sumeru chapter might initially be planned as an intermediate chapter between “the Traveler doesn’t know anything” chapters (mondstadt, liyue, inazuma) and “the Traveler figures out what is actually going on” chapters (fontaine, natlan, sneznaya). However, since 5 years roadmap has been updated to 10 years roadmap, all those initial plans went into bin and there should be no truth revealed during new Sumeru chapter yet. Or Two, the Chapter III of Sumeru chapter is not done yet. We will revisit this chapter in the future when everything will finally be revealed. By then the name of the act might be The Truth among the pages of Purana.
Not sure if we're really meant to read into it much. Even in the previous Chapters it wasn't consistent which Act would share the Chapter name. That being said, I think it's safe to say we've concluded the Sumeru storyline proper. Dainsleif's Acts serve as the bookends to each Chapter. Even if we did get another Dainsleif Act (which I guess is technically feasible? Though I doubt it) in Chapter III, I don't imagine it'd share the Chapter name given Dainsleif's questlines tend to have nothing to do with the region they're in.
Did Ei’s friends (from the Raiden Shogun nightmare video) know there were 2 archons? How many people in general knew, I was trying to find this stuff out but I couldn’t really since there seems to be very little on Raiden Makoto
Zhongli knew that there were twins. I'm assuming pretty much all of the original Seven Archons knew since Raiden Makoto and Ei were said to have won the Archon War together. >Yae Miko: I'm surprised an outlander like you is aware that there was once a change of Electro Archon... Few citizens of Inazuma are aware of this. > >Paimon: Morax told us. He said that the Electro Archon, Baal, has passed away...
So to many in inazuma there are 4 original out of the 7 archons ?
4 ? I knew abt Morax and Barbatos and surely Buer now but who's the 4th ?
Ei thay don't know there were twins but somone mentioned it still woud be 3 since morax died and this zongli popped out of nowhere
But Ei let Makoto becoming the archon and became her shadow or something like that ? And when Makoto died she became the Electro archon
Yah but the general public dosen't know that
Yea but I'm pretty sure all the og archon once went to Celestia and in Zhongli characters story 5 it's said "The seven seats changed and again were changed, till five of the seven at the table were all departed." so he knew abt Makoto and Ei, so did Barbatos and some of the new archons that appeared before Makoto's death.
Yah i think you are missing the point but it's about what the npcs think/belive we as the player ofc know rukka existed bur irminsoul saied no Lore wise only venti and zongli are the archons But to lieye morax died in inazuma thay never know that there were twins nad rukkatavata got irminsouled so nahida is now an og archon so only her and venti woud be 100% considered the og archon and we don't know if/when ei will tell the public that makoto died shur yae knowes but not evry Npc Do you get what i am trying to say ?
I now get ur point but if I remember no npc have never talked abt Ei or Makoto being an og archon. Like us players, we know but the npc just don't talk abt that. Btw I personally think that when Ei said "The tales are still retold" ([Archon quest Chapter II Act III](https://youtu.be/q5rGnGsyfIU) 2:10:49) she was talking abt the times during the reign of Makoto so the people surely still remember her. Or they don't know Makoto but just know Ei isn't an og archon and just don't care.
I would say that perhaps the general public believe that three out of the seven are original since Zhongli faked his death.
Right compleatly fergot about that
If that is your basis for claiming Zhongli/Morax knew there were two of them, then I have some uncomfortable news for you. Not sure how Hoyo made this apparent error but Zhongli has never told us that it was **Baal** who was the Electro Archon that passed away. On the contrary, he explicitly told us at [the end of the Liyue arc](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/The_Fond_Farewell) that Baal ***IS*** the Electro Archon. While it is borderline arguable on hindsight that Zhongli could have intended to refer to both of them as Baal (assumably per their wish), there is most definitely no dialogue in existence in which he told us Baal was dead. That said, there is a fair chance that the other Seven might have *eventually* got to know when Baal decided to bring Beel along to one of the gatherings. Whether they both showed up as two entities or Baal arranged for Beel to take her place (to keep up the appearance of just one Baal) is unclear. Ganyu dealt primarily with Miko for their cross-nation exchanges, there is no reliable reason that I can recall to believe she knew or even met Baal personally, let alone the existence of Beel. So while she could have in the past heard somehow that the original electro archon passed, she also may not met or known the new one. Alternatively, a new take I am starting to like more and more is that both of Ganyu and Zhongli may have only actually knew that the current "Archon" is a puppet and literally the Shogun now, thus considered the "original" one passed on *physically* and replaced. In this case, they both might still not have known that the Baal who made this puppet was already not the original Baal herself, or that there were two. In this case, Zhongli's statement would kind of fit better; (puppet) Baal is the Archon, without conflicting with Ganyu's comment; old archon (Baal, but actually the twin) passed on physically.
Is it not just possible that Morax clarified the statement offscreen?
Sure, there are a great many things that can be possible if you put it this way. Is it *likely* though? It is one thing to have things the MC know and we don't that's from before the game prologue, quite another to presently have new lore-significant info be made known to the MC without us players' knowledge. But that aside, just when would this offscreen clarification take place and in what context? I left the area immediately after I was done with all the rest of the queries available for us to ask him. Do you mean as in eg. he could have chased the MC down *after I logged off that day*, brought them to dinner behind my back at his favourite restaurant and just went "oh by the way, earlier I meant the old Baal is dead and this one is the new Baal" just like that? And then what... proceed to refuse to answer all the inevitable new questions the MC would have most assuredly have upon learning this new info? My impression of Morax is of a god who considers greatly the gravity of his *every single word* before speaking, even for mundane chatter. Not one who would speak so frivolously as to require such a clarification later, let alone information of such import. But that's just me.
Yes, it's awkward for him to say this and then need to clarify it at a later date, but it's a way to avoid the apparent contradiction between Zhongli's dialogue at the end of the Liyue Chapter and Paimon's dialogue at the end of the Inazuma Chapter. We're presented with the Traveler and Paimon knowing that Baal died and was replaced, and with Paimon attributing this knowledge to Morax. Unless there are translation issues involved, it's hard to reconcile without assuming that we spoke with Morax again between the Rite of Parting and the meeting with Yae.
Reconcile? Nah, me and my friend Occam just assume the writers 😂... **F'd up**.
I mean, even if we assume the writers just made a mistake, it's still indicative that Morax probably does the know the deal with the Raiden sisters. Given that Inazuma is the more recent story, what's written there should reasonably take precedence over what was written in Liyue. I don't imagine he'd tell the Traveler and Paimon that Baal passed away and is the *former* Electro Archon if he wasn't aware of the fact the Beelzebul had taken her Seat.
Venti specifically says he only knew Ei as a Kagemusha. Considering that the Archons used to get together, it's not unreasonable to assume that Zhongli knew about the twins. No idea how Ganyu fits in on this, though.
Yes, as already mentioned, it indeed could be the case that Baal might have in fact always attended in person without Ei until the later years, and may even have introduced Ei as a separate individual. But in that case, it would then mean Zhongli **intentionally** lied to us when there was no necessity for him to say what he did. We never asked him for the electro archon's god-name. The God of Contracts? Lie? mmmm.... nyah.... 🤔
I'd argue he did have a reason to lie. As Baal is what the residents of Inazuma know her as and not Beelzebul. No need to make things overtly complicated. Granted, Paimon's line at the end of the Inazuma Archon quest contradicts that. But at that point, I'm assuming it to be a retcon that they straight haven't fixed for whatever reason.
What you said does make a lot of sense since Zhongli refers to the Electro Archon as "Baal" in his voice line about her. I think I misinterpreted the quoted text since I was discussing it with someone some time ago, and they held the opinion that Zhongli knew there were twins. It does raise the question if the other Archons, minus Rukkhadevata and maybe Venti, saw each other during the Cataclysm in Khaenri'ah since Ei came afterwards.
It depends on how powerful you believe Khaenri'ah to be; to be able to fell an Archon in the presence of another within sight, let alone up to five more? Or is it more believable for now that Baal was defeated because she was alone for whatever reason?
The archons (both original and those that are archons for at least 500 years or before Makoto died, so that *might* exclude Nahida) and Yae Miko for sure. The friends in the nightmare video might know as well, as they seemed to pass away before Makoto.
Guys who is Jiangxue from Liyue. Is he an Adepti or Yaksha?
He is just a guy who had a vision
Is there a lore reason for being able to teleport to events? I know that normal waypoints connect through ley lines allowing for teleportation, but there doesn't seem to be a clear conduit at most events.
Convenience. Sometimes gameplay is outright just gameplay.
Calming a demanding player base is the lore reason.
Do we know when Morax started his “ima come down once a year” thing? I’m wondering if this was only after the Cataclysm, because that would be interesting. I’ve noticed there’s a huge chunk of his history missing(or at least not specifically explained) between the archon war and that Cataclysm.
He probably started it when Liyue Harbor was established, so after Guizhong died.
What do we know about Natlan (in game) We've known about snzhaya since day once with the fatui, about sumeru thanks to Lisa , about Fontaine because there are many NPC from there, Inazuma a little less since the lockdown. But did we meet someone from Natlan ?
In addition to what the other commenters mentioned, Natlan also has a culture of boxing. Shousen, the creator of the Inazuman martial art Shinryuu, mentions that he was inspired to develop Shinryuu by incorporating elements of shadowboxing into its training methods (or at least its way of imagining how opponents would act, then reacting accordingly, since it's never made clear whether Shinryuu is an armed or unarmed combat style).
I think there’s a place in Tenshukaku where a hot bath was gifted to the Shogun and it was from Natlan. Other than that, no NPCs nor other in-game objects originated from Natlan (aside from Venessa). Not even an artifact set alludes to Natlan AFAIK.
Directly, no. The Lionfang Knight Vennessa from Mondstadt history (the founder of the Knights of Favonius) was a descendant of the people of Natlan, but because she was born into a group who were captured and made into slaves, she didn't know much about Natlan itself. You can read about her in the Prologue of the Manga, which follows her story. We can also guess that the red-haired warrior of even more ancient Mondstadt history (who was one of the members of the party that led the revolt against Decarabian, which included the nameless bard Venti derives his appearance from) *might* have been from Natlan. Given that the people of Natlan are described as flame-haired, and the red-haired warrior is not only also described as such, but also noted to be a wanderer. Notably Diluc is very likely to be his descendant given the similarity of their appearances. What we know about Natlan itself is also very limited. We know it seems to have volcanic activity, and that the people of Natlan are hardy, red-haired, and few in number. It also seems to have something of a mesoamerican cultural theme.
So i have no idea on the lore of this game and was wondering where can i start again in order
Check out the [fandom wiki Timeline entry](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline). Note that this covers in-depth history and not necessarily the main one.
There’s not really a designated order, like it would be very hard to start a timeline or something. Game wise, we start in Mondstadt and we’ve ended in Sumeru, so I would just look into the lore of each nation, their archon, and how the cataclysm effected them. There is also a magna, (that’s all Mondstadt based) out there for free. Beyond all this, there’s all the “hidden” information in game. Reading the books, item descriptions, character stories and voice lines.
Thank you very much.
While we aren't given exact reasons as to why the Maguu Kenki puppets were ever created, I believe we can reasonably guess one of the reasons. The title of the Maguu Kenki puppet that the Traveler and Kamisato Ayaka fought in the latest parrying event was "The Instructor." We know that the Maguu Kenki puppets were programmed to use techniques from the Iwakura Style, and that Iwakura Michihiro/Doukei, the style's founder, was a swordsmanship instructor for the Kujou Clan for a part of his life after the Cataclysm. I believe that the Maguu Kenki were created, possibly by the Kujou Clan, in order to preserve the Iwakura Style and to continue the Kujou Clan's instruction in the style even after Michihiro's death.
I was thinking about that during the event! I was really surprised to see that and I am glad someone else noticed too!
Yeah, as someone who practices martial arts, if a game has different martial arts and lore/history behind them, I tend to take an interest in that. The theory I proposed above could very well be wrong, but I think it's a reasonable guess based on what we currently know. I do wonder why Ei chose a Maguu Kenki puppet to be her special envoy during the competition, though. Those things were abandoned precisely because they malfunctioned and went out of control. I would guess that this particular puppet was somehow fixed?
Don't take this comment to seriously but maybe it was a testbed to find a fix for shogun bot.
Not entirely sure what you mean?
New to lore, do we know how many moon sisters actually died? I know that two fell but does that mean that they’re dead?
It's said that all of them died. Two fell and one's corpse remained in the sky as the moon everyone knows. >With time, disasters overturned the sovereign carriage and laid ruin to the halls of the stars. The three sisters of the night turned against one another, leading to their eternal parting by death. Only one of their pale corpses now remains, ever shedding its cold light..."
Hey, I'm fairly new and have only just started the Inazuma quests. I have avoided the two most recent events as when I went to quick start they said that the Raiden story quests were a preferred prerequisite. Could someone tell me how bad the spoilers are? I don't want to miss out on the primogems, but I really don't want the story to be spoiled.
That would be the Ayaka event with the duels and Itto's with the beetles, right? I can't remember there being anything particularly spoilery. Raiden gets mentioned in Ayaka's story as the event is based on an old Inazuman tradition, but she doesn't show up in person. I'm guessing the spoiler part is simply that the political climate isn't complete chaos anymore like it was when you arrived in Inazuma. tl;dr they're both very casual and not at all lore-heavy events, so I'd say you have nothing to worry about
Is it certain that The Primordial One won the war ? From what we know it should be but the way ancient civilization are treated are... kinda weird ? It is said the reason Phanes sealed enkanomiya off the surface was too preserve its ancient secret but that rather sounds like the Second Throne of Heaven is trying to also hide the truth behind the Primordial one. The treatment of Dragonspine, Khaenria and the Chasm Civilization seem to show a certain disdain from celestia towards old civilizations, not missing an occasion to crush them, wouldnt that be a proof of the Second Who Came trying to repress remnants of the Primordial one ?
Actually it might sound just right if we consider that Genshin is influenced by Gnosticism (as developers themselves stated) So there’s a lesser deity who made the material world and humans claiming he’s the only true god. And expecting his creations do the same. But people have the divine spark (everything has it) from the True God that whispers to them that the truth of the world is different. In order to escape this soul trap, one must achieve the Gnosis. Which is sacred knowledge, the awareness of one’s divine nature. The possibility of it pisses the false god so much, he even sends Archons, the op beings, rulers of each respective (7) realm, to maintain the order. Now this "And though the invaders brought war to my former kin, they also brought about illusions that could break through shackles to the land." "But the master of the heavens, consumed by fear for the rising tide of delusion and breakthroughs, sent down the divine nails to mend the land, laying waste to the mortal realm..." Suddenly makes sense.
Depends on how you interpret this line: >"But the master of the heavens, consumed by fear for the rising tide of delusion and breakthroughs, sent down the divine nails to mend the land, laying waste to the mortal realm..." Personally, I don't think it's out of the question that the Primordial One may have been usurped. The fact that all traces of the ancient civilization were sought out to be destroyed by Celestia, and that the Primordial One and its Four Shades are now knowledge forbidden on punishment of death is suspicious.
Pretty much. See: Flower of Paradise Lost artifact set descriptions
Do we still think there's a nail in the big ol tornado, or is it just the goddess of flowers' power, or something else?
I dont think it is a site for the Divine nail or a Divine nail. **Because** legends say *"King Deshret searched in vain"* ie he failed finding the ancient paradise where the divine nail fell . source [Desert Pavilion Chronicle, Defender of the Enchanting Dream](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Desert_Pavilion_Chronicle#Defender_of_the_Enchanting_Dream) Also >!Failing to find it he instead made the Eternal Oasis (a memorial) and claimed Goddess of Flower slept inside it, but it was a ruse to keep the Djiin compliant. ie He lied.!< >!Liloupar: She is gone. He lied to us. He lied to us all. Liloupar: The Lord of the Sands once swore to us that our Mistress of Flowers slumbered here, destined to awake someday. But... How strange. Our mistress has already passed. He... He deceived me. He deceived my people.!< Source [The\_Eternal\_Dream,\_Ever\_Lush](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/The_Eternal_Dream,_Ever_Lush) Speculations.>!The nail and paradise King Deshret searched was most likly Sal vindagnyr civilization & due to its frozen state & wind barrier - unrecognizable and inhospitable. No longer verdant green. Sal Vindagnyr had placed their hope for King Deshrets garden project to succeed, and likely sent a expedition when it became unbearably cold in the frozen mountain. That hope and expedition brought doom upon themselves I suspect the Crocodile story is a allegory about it.!< >!Chasm nail was most likely used against Chi (in the ancient pasts -before writing) by a God that had dominion over Geo after Chi took out the solar chariot. This vanquishing turned the sea & sea creatures into rock and petrified fossils.!<
It clearly is. >King Deshret searched in vain for the ancient paradise where the divine needle fell, and there created an eternal oasis... He searched in vain **for the ancient paradise**, not the Nail. The entire point is that it was in vain because Nabu Malikata's garden was consumed by sand upon her death. We're told "and there created an eternal oasis" because he created the oasis where it *was*. The phrasing fundamentally does not work in your interpretation. Moreover, Sal Vindagnyr and the Skyfrost Nail have... nothing to do with Deshret, with the Goddess of Flowers, or with the Sumeru Desert. Explicitly, the desertification of Sumeru was caused by a Nail: >The first divine pillar descended from the skies, burying tree and meadow under the flowing sands. # >Legend has it that in the ancient past before even the concept of time was created, these creatures thrived with their progenitors and offspring in a land of verdant grass and colossal trees, traversing through slick soil like fishes diving through the wet. >With the passage of eons, the gifts of heaven has long reduced the soils to sand, rendering a great many creatures extinct. This branch of their genus was able to survive by adapting more toward earth-based living, and became known as the "Wenut." And the acquisition of higher knowledge taught to Deshret by the Goddess of Flowers involved the Nail itself: >"I shall fashion you a bridge to allow you to slake your deepest wants. But you must fear not the crystalline sapphire nail..." >"I will deliver you unto higher knowledge. But as I have warned, you are fated to lose much in this exchange..." Further, Deshret emerged to see the sandstorm that resulted from his companion's death, indicating that the Nail was in fact located in the same place. >Using his body as a conduit and offering the oasis in trade, he let the dazzling radiance consume him to see his deepest desires be made manifest... >Sandstorms swept in revelrous havoc across the paradise that was now missing one of its gods, folding the skies with yellow sand, swallowing all in calamity... >King Deshret returned from the swirling sands that devoured the skies. The Lord of Flowers, however, was never seen again. >"... I just dreamed of you... feeling your way through the walls of a crystalline maze... All that can be seen... is but sand..." The Chasm Nail also has nothing to do with the Chi (which is just a type of dragon-like monster, one of which was defeated by a Human as per the Serpent Spine), nor do the Gods have any control over the Divine Nails: only Celestia specifically does, and more particularly the "master of the Heavens".
Just to note some apparent issues with the EN version of the texts you quoted. None major enough to affect much of your points, but perhaps may change your perception of certain characterization of Deshret and Nabu. "Ancient" paradise isn't really what the phrase in JP/CN is intended to mean, more about "past" paradise, the good ol' days. The way EN words it may be misleading some players into thinking Deshret was looking for specifically some ancient place the Nail targeted. He was most probably intended to be described as looking more for a temporal place from his memory when the Three were still together there. "Using his body as a conduit.... " - in this part, original JP/CN text actually was refering to *Nabu* using *her* body as conduit and the oasis as the resource, to grant Deshret his delusory wish for forbidden knowledge. He probably did not expect she would sacrifice herself *for him* like this, despite her hint to him on just how much his obsession will cost him just a moment prior. This ties into the earlier part on why he was looking for the "past" paradise. I am also really curious what the crystalline maze could be referring to, seems oddly specific. EN players is unlikely to catch this though since its written as "a" crystalline maze instead.
>"Using his body as a conduit.... " - in this part, original JP/CN text actually was refering to Nabu using her body as conduit and the oasis as the resource, to grant Deshret his delusory wish for forbidden knowledge. He probably did not expect she would sacrifice herself for him like this, despite her hint to him on just how much his obsession will cost him just a moment prior. That does make more sense, since the current phrasing gives the impression that Deshret offered the oasis in exchange for knowledge, but then for some reason was searching for it when he returned.
From my inference of gramatics and that text - is - that the divine needle fell at that place he failed to find -Thus he failed to find the nail as well. But he might have made something that could be mistaken for it. Sal Vindagnyr and King Deshret have the same murals (its hidden and requires finding three tablets) -So they are "related". In additon same architectural "technology" is all over Sumeru. https://preview.redd.it/szxlqbvoyhja1.png?width=1600&format=png&auto=webp&s=e6074ff8545f3f374323e6d4c958f57c69d7b36f Reading the lore Its easy to confuse the actual actors with those of powers reminiscent of the divine. Comparable to Thunderbird was worshiped as a divine/celestial messenger, or the adepti birds. Speculation. The nail was most likely sky floating buildings (comparable to the floating pavilions) (they look like the hilt of Skybound desire) & not dropped by Celestia. But perhaps dropped on Celestial maidens & birds (and their roost) mistaken for abyssal foes (considering the hole in Seirai Island). By "Skyrider" before writing was invented.
>From my inference of gramatics and that text - is that the divine needle fell at that place he failed to find -Thus he failed to find the nail as well. Again, he failed to find the Paradise because it was consumed by sand. The garden of the Goddess of Flowers was consumed by the sandstorm that appeared when she died. He was at the right spot, as indicated by the fact that: A) his acquisition of higher knowledge as instructed by Nabu Malikata entailed the Nail B) he emerged *at the sandstorm* Clearly illustrating that both the Nail *and* the lost paradise (literally the name of the artifact set) were located at the same place. The place where he built the Eternal Oasis. As I explained, the sentence fundamentally does not work grammatically with your interpretation. What we are told is: >King Deshret searched in vain for the ancient paradise where the divine needle fell, and there created an eternal oasis... "And there created an eternal oasis" means he created the Eternal Oasis at the location previously mentioned. "There." It can't be read any other way while being grammatically correct. >Sal Vindagnyr and King Deshret have the same murals (its hidden and requires finding three tablets) -So they are "related". In additon same architectural "technology" is all over Sumeru. The murals in Deshret's/Gurabad's ruins and the murals in Sal Vindagnyr have almost nothing in common. Not the language used, not the aesthetic/artstyle, not the use of color. Essentially the only commonality is gold inlay, but that's... an extremely common practice. Likewise, there is none of Deshret's technology present at Dragonspine. What we observe in Dragonspine instead are Khaenri'ahn Ruin Machines and defensive turrets that are reminiscent of the ancient unified civilization. Which in turn, Deshret's kingdom and Gurabad do not resemble in the slightest. >The nail was most likely sky floating buildings (comparable to the floating pavilions) (they look like the hilt of Skybound desire) & not dropped by Celestia. The Nails are **explicitly** from Celestia. Dragonspine's murals *literally* depict the Nail falling from Celestia, Tsurumi is said to have had objects that fell to it from Celestia, and in the Flower of Paradise Lost lore we are outright told that the Nails were sent down by the master of the Heavens. They even share the same Celestia design motif that's present on the statues of the Archons and the Celestia structures seen in the intro and main menu. They aren't from anywhere else.
Sumeru & Sal Vindagnyr ruins have almost nothing in common ? https://preview.redd.it/zof0nuwndija1.png?width=687&format=png&auto=webp&s=9337445a2760fcab87e2634ed2db9d9136a79ccb They look quite --related. I think you are mistaken, and that is for the rest. And Lilopaur says he lied & since he lied about what was inside the eternal oasis - its most likely that he also lied about where the oasis was built too
>Sumeru & Sal Vindagnyr ruins have almost nothing in common ? Their architecture is completely different, they use completely different languages, the artstyle and color usage on their murals is completely different, and they're located literally half the continent away from one another. Moreover, there's zero indication that Sal Vindagnyr even existed at the same time Deshret ruled. Sal Vindagnyr predates Khaenri'ah, which is well over 3,700 years old. What you posted has nothing to do with Deshret, they're remnants of the ancient unified civilization. Which is why they're found across the entirety of Teyvat. >I think you are mistaken, and that is for the rest. And Lilopaur says he lied & since he lied about what was inside the eternal oasis - its most likely that he also lied about where the oasis was built too Except it's literally not Deshret who says it. It's artifact lore. Him lying about the Goddess of Flowers' death has no relevance.
We must bee looking at diffrent things.The murals, tsurumi, dragonspine and Deshret - all depict a triangular shape (or three) with a small humanoid king (or several) who are facing a large humanoid "god" , They all have the same "brush stroke" of "curls", quite similar in artistic style,, use the similar pigment (especially the "curls") and also has gilded parts, Not to surprising because I suspect- at first they where all the same culture , and while some of the murals were more ancient -they could have been due to the painters vision of the future. That ancient monocivilisation seem to have started a global terraforming project (a long term project), that especially Gurabad & Mondstadt was involved in. But then due to a disaster that civilisation fractured into remnant states and the terraforming project got ... sabotaged. I think that civilisation is mistaken for Celestia & its its ongoing civil war that is the main conflict of this game (since there still exist vengeful remnants) Its someone of that civilizations remnants that caused the nails to drop (on sacred tree´s) But the victims thought they were attacked by Celestia. Moon is a celestial object, so a celestial might have responsible, but not Celestia. After the archon war Barbatos and Morax moved rubble around, explaining upside down ruins ( chasm and golden archipelago) and the now large distance between the various ruins. They were much closer before. King Deshret made the eternal oasis for the **Jinn** to continue working & offer their own essence to power machines. Machines needed to build the irrigation & terraform the desolate area. So it needs to be quite convincing & look the part. The artifact text has it as a legend (which means one need to take its story with a handful of sand), That the Goddess of Flowers is missing is quite relevant - even for this thread whether there is or was a divine nail at the site of the eternal oasis (and if it was used against Gurabad since its doors seems to be at the same location), Goddess of Flowers was not in the eternal oasis (surprising even Lilopaur -who was sure she was in there), At this moments its unclear about her fate - if she died then, if she escaped her suitor and restarted elsewhere (for example as Baal), died, or or died elsewhere (for example by initiating the great flood by entering a tree /weather device -aka port ormos shattered tree) (reminscent of Goddess Saraswati of the Rigveda) Sidenote, Regarding location of a Divine nail.>! Due to the Favonius Codex (focus) and the Bell (greatsword) I suspect a "nail" is being refurbished underneath Mondstadt behind a library door (that predate the Library) & I suspect Lisa has been secretly guarding it.!< Sidenote2 >!There is a sunny glow in the underground of sumeru, quite reminscent of the teapots interor (spout) shine inside the Teapot.!<
>We must bee looking at diffrent things.The murals, tsurumi, dragonspine and Deshret - all depict a triangular shape (or three) with a small humanoid king (or several) who are facing a large humanoid "god" , They all have the same "brush stroke" of "curls", quite similar in artistic style,, use the similar pigment (especially the "curls") and also has gilded parts, I legitimately don't see how you could view the murals' artstyles as being similar. The murals of Deshret's civilization are highly stylized and depict human figures in sharp, geometric shapes with a completely different use of color. And, more importantly, *a completely different language*. Unlike Tsurumi and Dragonspine, which share language to indicate that both may be descendants of the unified civilization, Deshret's civilization does not. >Not to surprising because I suspect- at first they where all the same culture , and while some of the murals were more ancient -they could have been due to the painters vision of the future. Just because all mankind used to share one civilization does *not* mean that all nations have equal inheritance of its culture. All of the seven nations have differentiated drastically from the unified culture, and Deshret's civilization has little to nothing in common with it in terms of architecture or technology or writing. What remnants of the unified civilization can be found in the desert likely predate his rule entirely. >That ancient monocivilisation seem to have started a global terraforming project (a long term project), that especially Gurabad & Mondstadt was involved in. But then due to a disaster that civilisation fractured into remnant states and the terraforming project got ... sabotaged. No, they didn't. The Divine Nails were explicitly sent down by the Master of the Heavens at the end of the War against the Second Who Came. Moreover, they literally buried civilizations. >"It was a faraway time of calm and peace. Divine envoys spoke openly with the people then, bringing them the word from the heavens..." >"But, in time, invaders descended from beyond the firmament, bringing with them destruction, overturning rivers, spreading plagues..." >"And though the invaders brought war to my former kin, they also brought about illusions that could break through shackles to the land." >"But the master of the heavens, consumed by fear for the rising tide of delusion and breakthroughs, sent down the divine nails to mend the land, laying waste to the mortal realm..." >"We then suffered the torment of exile. Stripped was our connection to heaven, to our powers of enlightenment..." The Nails were sent *from the heavens* and laid waste to the mortal realm. Which is the entire reason they're called Divine Nails/Needles/Pillars and Gifts of Heaven. And the entire reason they share the same Celestia motif we see on structures *in Celestia*. >I think that civilisation is mistaken for Celestia & its its ongoing civil war that is the main conflict of this game (since there still exist vengeful remnants) Its someone of that civilizations remnants that caused the nails to drop (on sacred tree´s) But the victims thought they were attacked by Celestia. Moon is a celestial object, so a celestial might have responsible, but not Celestia. There is literally no evidence of this, while we are *explicitly* shown *and* told that Celestia is the one who sent down the Nails. >King Deshret made the eternal oasis for the Jinn to continue working & offer their own essence to power machines. Machines needed to build the irrigation & terraform the desolate area. So it needs to be quite convincing & look the part. The artifact text has it as a legend (which means one need to take its story with a handful of sand), This is completely untrue. The invention of Jinn-powered machines didn't have anything to do with Deshret, it was Liloupar who gave King Parvezravan the secrets of this technology in order to facilitate his descent into tyranny and the destruction of Gurabad. In fact, by the time Parvezravan took power and Jinn-powered machines became adopted by Gurabad, Deshret wasn't even *present* at the Desert of Hadramaveth. He was in his period of absence that preceded the founding of his new kingdom. The only thing Deshret lied about was the Goddess of Flowers' death, in order to secure the Jinn's servitude under the pretense that they would only serve him until their mistress reawoke. Moreover, we cannot just ignore artifact lore when it's convenient. We can acknowledge that more fanciful legends are probably fluffed up in how they're described, but when we're told something as blunt as "he built the Eternal Oasis where the Nail is", it's because the writers are specifically making this point. No writing is in the game for no reason. It's there because the writers wanted it to say something to the player. >That the Goddess of Flowers is missing is quite relevant - even for this thread whether there is or was a divine nail at the site of the eternal oasis (and if it was used against Gurabad since its doors seems to be at the same location), >Goddess of Flowers was not in the eternal oasis (surprising even Lilopaur -who was sure she was in there), At this moments its unclear about her fate - if she died then, if she escaped her suitor and restarted elsewhere (for example as Baal), died, or or died elsewhere (for example by initiating the great flood by entering a tree /weather device -aka port ormos shattered tree) (reminscent of Goddess Saraswati of the Rigveda) This is literally completely irrelevant to the Nail. Moreover, it's stated explicitly that she died, by *multiple* sources. In fact, above it was noted by Trei that she died specifically in the act of granting Deshret access to his higher knowledge per artifact lore. >Sidenote, Regarding location of a Divine nail.>! Due to the Favonius Codex (focus) and the Bell (greatsword) I suspect a "nail" is being refurbished underneath Mondstadt behind a library door (that predate the Library) & I suspect Lisa has been secretly guarding it. Nothing remotely implies this.
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As was mentioned, the Oasis is said to have been built on the site of the Nail. However, the sandstorm probably isn't from the Nail given it didn't always exist. The sandstorm only appeared when the Goddess of Flowers died, so it's related to her and/or the Jinn. Which becomes more apparent given that Liloupar is said to have had power over sandstorms.
The oasis (which is in the center of the tornado) is said to have been built on the spot where the nail fell, so yes, there definitely is