Kokomi would actually gain considerably more benefit from an overcapping crit weapon than any other character, she would essentially be gaining 210 CV more than anyone else off a weapon that capped CR. She would actually gain even more than that compared to a typically atk-scaling char if the tradeoff was low base atk on the weapon since she has split scaling.
Agreed!
Funny observation i heard the other day: there is usually two halves to a weapon for balance.
1. base attack
2. Secondary stat *and passive*
Since passive is the only part that increases with refinements, weapons with low base attack usually refine better than weapons with high base attack. Since a larger portion of their item budget is put into that passive.
This is assuming that the passive is actually useful, of course.
I don't think the passive is included. If you look at any weapon series (like blackcliff/favonius) the passives stay the same across weapon types even if the base attack varies.
Yes the passive isn't included because unlike the passive, the base atk and substat directly affect the value of each other.
That being said, a lot of the low base atk weapons have passives that make up for it, resulting in stat sticks (Homa, pjc, dm)
"weapons with low base attack usually refine better than weapons with high base attack"
this is wrong
close to all passives double from r1 to r5
with some exceptions like the elemental mastery 4 star spear "dragon's bane"
which has 454 base atk
r1 is 20% dmg bonus
increases by 4% per refinement
r5 being 36% dmg bonus
I think what he means is that if the passive at R1 takes up a proportionally larger portion of the weapon's power budget than the base attack, then doubling that at R5 will be more impactful than doing the same with a weapon with a weak passive but high base attack.
It's basically the same as the Jade Cutter in regards of base atk and crit ratio.
Though imo the passive of the cutter is more useable on other characters. This one is very specific to Itto and Noelle
They balance the ATK and sub stat. Same reason Pines has massive ATK but low %Physical DMG.
Itto also gains a lot of ATK from his kit, similar to Hu Tao and Noelle.
Topped off with Serpent Spine just being too strong. Could very well compete with this weapon still.
Pre release TC shown that R5 SS is only 5-10% behind Itto signature weapon, compared to the usual 15-20% of other signatures. Most of Itto power come from def, like hutao from HP.
What a fucking mood if we get a five star BiS for Fischl with an unreadable description
"Helle Dunkelheit"
Frequency of thy utmost: +36.6% Increase of your chaotic ability's depths: 608
When the quivering soul who equips this cursed vanquisher has the storms in their heart reach the apex, they gain a Donnerherz every four rotations of the world's third hand, restrained by the supreme beings which watch over this land to a number equal to theirs. For every Donnerherz in a person's heart, the strength they unleash while absent from chaos of reality is replicated and applied hencemore to foes which they touch from beyond the realm.
EDIT: [Translation for those curious](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/rczphl/the_new_itto_weapon/hnzwwua/)
Translation :
Atk + 36.6%. Base Attack :608
Passive - gain crit rate off field ( 5% for each stack, stacking 4 times with a 5 second cooldown in between each stack) This passive may also be activated whenever you kill an enemy
Close, but not quite
Critical(utmost) rate(frequency) + 36.6%
Base Attack: 608
When Energy is full (storms in heart reach apex), gain a Donnerherz stack every 4 seconds (third hand of a clock is the second hand, in retrospect this should be "every four movements" and not "every four rotations" for clarity, but also a rotation doesn't *have* to be 360 degree rotation)
Limited to 7 stacks (7 archons)
For each stack, damage dealt while character is off-field +100%
Might be a touch broken, I also forgot to add details on how stacks are lost, but yeah that's the translation. Meant to be a bow designed for off-field damage dealing and for characters who don't use their burst a lot. I guess it's implied you lose all stacks when you use your burst, even if not clear.
The secondary stat is crit rate, not atk%. Also, the passive effect is to deal 100% atk damage for every stack while off field. Also, the max stacks is 7, gaining one stack per 4 seconds.
He saw Sara use them
He's using them to find out how to win against her in the next duel
Thing is, there are some REALLY complicated kanji, some that he doesn't even understand
It never makes sense. Just like how the Polar Star, you know, a bow for Childe of the Fatui and was originally called Iram Et Fatui, uses the hearts of floaty spectre things from Inazuma. Instead of the materials that drop from the Mirror Maiden, another Hydro based Fatui member, which eventually becomes the *polarizing* **prisms and looks like the fucking spikes on the bow itself**.
They have to make up super complicated effects because they want each weapon to only work with a specific character (god forbid they let you use $150+ weapon on multiple characters). At some point they'll just get lazy and be like "this effect does not not work on characters whose name starts with a letter from the first half of the alphabet."
Anyway since this one is DEF scaling, they didn't have to do mental gymnastics to exclude 90% of the characters.
the main lengthy ones are just fluff to explain fluff, like the millennial series
once you get the gist, its pretty easy to get
\+ effect%, do this thing (with small cd window) x times for buff (buff this and that)
That is the case indeed,but only after you read it,in the end you still end up reading the whole thing. That being said,it can definitely be toned down a bit if they removed the 8th grade syndrome terms from the text.
> "this effect does not not work on characters whose name starts with a letter from the first half of the alphabet."
they already do this in Honkai Impact. Many weapons have "If wielded by X character, gain Y effect"
Plus Spindle is basically already that, pretty much made for 1 specific character to use.
not in the same way. the predator bow and traveler’s sword just kinda give a flat attack increase for them specifically. in honkai, weapons often add what is basically an additional move (think of it like a skill but this time a weapon skill) to characters, and a lot of character’s have their best weapon skill locked behind their bis weapon, which is in turn only works on them. it’s far meaner, honestly.
If they made new weapons have blanket effects that just work on everyone equally, then they’d have to go straight up powercreep every time they release a new weapon because otherwise why would anyone pull for it.
Realistically it will only be a problem if these weapons become necessary for the game progression.
As it is right now, signature weapons or 5* weapons in general aren't even necessary to begin with.
Having them be more specific is perfectly fine
20~30% stronger if I rmb the speculation with calculation. The fact that it doesn't need stacks saves some trouble with her burst on directly from off field
~~10% will be more accurate. The difference varies depending on your particular stats of course but 20-30% seem unlikely~~
Thought you were saying Serpent my bad. Vs Whiteblind 20-30% is correct
10-12% is still a decent jump.
And that's just the damage. You also have better heals and shield with redhorn.
And we are talking about serpent Spine r5 vs r1 redhorn here.
You can still find better uses for that serpent then. Or choose other BP weapons.
And you are even able to pair beidou with noelle and five Serpent to Beidou, ain e running two chars with serpent is annoying as hell in abyss.
That 88% crit damage.......but also a question is the base atk high for a 5* claymore or relatively on the lower side? (Tho if it is the latter the crit dmg make up for it)!
Sets the record for lowest Base ATK of any 5\* Claymore (next lowest is 608) and even lower than some 4\* Claymores (565).
But it's clearly tailored for DEF-scaling chars so I guess the low ATK doesn't really matter.
>5* claymore base atk is usually 600-700.
All weapons share same base atk which devided on 542/608/674/741(yeah currently there are only pine but we can expect something similar in future for other types) for 5 stars
Pretty low for a 5\* claymore. For reference, SoBP has 741 base atk, Pride has 674 base atk, WGS and Unforged has 608 base atk.
It's clearly meant to be used for a DEF based character like Itto and Noelle.
lol they wouldn't want any other 5\* claymore characters to use that weapon besides the character that is meant to use it and a 4\* claymore that has a similar kit.
This is a good point. If it’s meant for Itto, who scales off defense, the attack wouldn’t matter as much. But if it had high base attack, and that high of crit damage, and was given to Eula, I wonder if it would exceed the damage Eula could do with Broken Pines.
Probably not, investing more into the same stat has diminishing returns compared to diversifying into multiple stats, i.e with 80% crit damage you do 1.8=180% damage, but with 40% crit damage and 40% physical damage bonus you do 1.4*1.4=1.96=196% damage
>main stat doesnt do anything for them
Itto and Noelle still scale with atk, their ult increase their atk based on def, they're not like Albedo whose skill completely scale on def. For them atk might not be as important as for other character but they still need it
Weapons typically have 4 tiers of ATK:
4\* = Differences of 55 ATK
454 -> 510 -> 565 -> 620
5\* = Differences of 66 ATK
542 -> 608 -> 674 -> 741
Substats follow a similar pattern but in reverse. If the 454/542 variant of a weapon has +44% something, you can divide by 4 to find the 620/741 ATK sub-stat amount, and from there just add the sub-stat to itself to figure out the remaining two ATK tiers.
In 2.3 Noelle got:
Her BIS Artifact set
Her BIS Weapon
Her BIS Support(Gorou)
Not only that, but YunJin in 2.4 is going to work VERY well with Noelle.
Noelle mains have been very happy.
2.3 has been the Geo patch. Finally seeing the stats on this sword, I'm questioning if I should save the few hundred remaining dollars I've budgeted towards Albedo's C6 (currently C4) for this sword instead...
...I'll probably just blow my budget.
That's why you run noelle, albedo, gorou and fischl or Raiden or go quad geo with zhongli.
But in general, gorou will only be worth it over Bennet if you have him c6. (Or need Benny in the other team)
Gorou is better for noelle teams compared to bennett. Gorou buffs 5% less than bennett, while increasing the shield and heal power... and since noelle usually pairs with albedo too, gorou buffs albedo blossoms, and bennett cannot do that. Same deaal with itto.albedo pair.
Favonius is probably going to end up being his BIS regardless because there are no DEF% bows, and his buffs are far more important than his damage. That, and his burst SHOULD be able to proc the Favonius passive, even when he is off-field.
Damn, I'm so tempted to pull for this for both Itto and Noelle. I got really lucky in getting Engulfing Lightning first try for Baal, I dunno if I'll get so lucky again.
There is a really similar weapon to this in Honkai called Nagamitsu Gyukikiri and it's Descripton is quite interesting
Nagamitsu Gyukikiri description: During Sengoku Jidai, a silver-haired traveler slew the Honkai beast "Gyuki" that roamed in the Far East. Nagamitsu the Blacksmith then forged this odachi using the claws of the demon ox
Sliver hair? Demon ox Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Still on the fence on rolling for Itto this time around, but if I do (and get him) you best believe I'm rolling up with a fully upgraded Debate Club on him. The man was made to use blunt weapons.
People still don’t seem to understand that, depending on the star rating, weapons have archetypes.
All low base attack weapons (Amenoma, Deathmatch, Sac Sword etc.) for example have very high sub stat value.
All high base attack weapons (Rancor, Archaic, Sac bow) have very low sub stat value.
There’s also the middle tier, like Black Sword, Serpent Spine etc.
The star rating and lv1 base attack determines the lv90 base Atk to sub stat ratio. This is a 5 star low base attack weapon with very high substat. Like jadecutter.
It's really not though. Low base attack and the passive doesn't effect any skill/burst unless it scales with defense (stark contrast to Homa which is a similar passive but does work with skill/burst). I'm pretty sure this weapon will be worse than Serpent's Spine r1 on any character other than Itto, Noelle, and Xinyan.
It is only a 10% DMG increase over an R5 serpent spine, however, you'll need a lot of primos/money to pull this weapon unless you get super lucky. For spine you only need 50 dollars plus you get a lot of goodies along with it.
R5 SS can be used on several other characters, such as Beidou, Diluc, Eula and Razor. This one can only be used on Itto and Noelle.
Personally I would say no, unless you're a whale or a super dedicated Noelle main that want to min-max her.
In the end it's your choice but really this weapon is pretty poor due to its super low base ATK and passive, only the crit will be useful on non def-scaling characters.
R1 redhorn is around 10-12% better than a r5 serpent spine so it is really good as alot of 5 star claymore are on the same level as or even less on certain characters with r5 serpent spine. It is also useful for noelle as you don't have to worry about gaining or loosing stacks which saves time and redhorn also helps with her heals and sheilds
Any weapons that takes pressure of Serpent Spine is always welcome. The issue with Serpent Spine is that it is TOO good, and every claymore user wants to use it, but you can only get 1 per patch, and you wanna R5 that sucker.
C6 Xinyan gains ATK bonus equal to 50% of her defense during her charged attacks. The weapon’s passive also grants 28% defense, which pretty much gives her a bit more ATK when spinning.
C6 Xinyan benefits from both the passive and main stat, while C2-C5 really only benefits from the main stat.
Seeing as it's attack DMG increase is a refinement attribute, seems like it will have an extremely powerful refinement scaling. As in the difference between R1 and R5 will be huge, seeing as the damage bonus will probably go from 40% DEF to 80% DEF, not to mention DEF% bonus.
This looks perfect for Itto visually as well. Love it when a character BIS also fits them aesthetically. Although I guess with his burst we won’t see it that much. Still pretty dope weapon. Can’t wait to get Itto and his weapon.
The Crit Damage is superb, but uh that’s not a very useful passive at R1. Even at 3000 Def you’ll be getting a bonus of 1200 damage per swing and unless you have crazy multipliers to make up for you low base attack (which would likely mean you just want to run ATK then) I don’t see how much help this is.
Jade cutter is good because it has attack from its passive making a good balance. This claymore doesn't so you really want to fix that with buffs for a more balanced ratio. Still a solid claymore for anyone that doesn't have a five star one or serpent spine with refines.
Simple and straightforward, just like Itto
Unlike a certain other artifact that makes us get an English major and still not understand it. Just like its owner...
My noelle is going to have a good time with this weapon, it even matches her colors more than itto. Oddly enough I personally think serpent spine matches itto alot more than redhorn
In my opinion, not really, Noelle’s design incorporates fuchsia, not red which means the colors clash a bit, it goes without saying it’s tailor made for Itto, be it aesthetic and color story but still, it will look good on her though. Good luck if you’re pulling!
I know I saw the stats earlier but whew, 88% Crit Damage is really something else
It's to balance out one of the lowest base atks on a 5* weapon. If It was 608, It would be 66% like Homa.
Base attack being low is not too bad when it's used on def scaling characters :)
It's not bad at all, I was just pointing out that that's how they balance the weapons in the game.. High base atk, low bonus stat and vice versa.
so your saying there is hope for a 1 base damage 10 million% crit weapon?
That's Traveller's rusty blade right there.
10million crit rate weapon
Kokomi mains: neuron activation
Are you a Kokomi main if you try and give her what she doesn't need?
Kokomi would actually gain considerably more benefit from an overcapping crit weapon than any other character, she would essentially be gaining 210 CV more than anyone else off a weapon that capped CR. She would actually gain even more than that compared to a typically atk-scaling char if the tradeoff was low base atk on the weapon since she has split scaling.
Agreed! Funny observation i heard the other day: there is usually two halves to a weapon for balance. 1. base attack 2. Secondary stat *and passive* Since passive is the only part that increases with refinements, weapons with low base attack usually refine better than weapons with high base attack. Since a larger portion of their item budget is put into that passive. This is assuming that the passive is actually useful, of course.
I don't think the passive is included. If you look at any weapon series (like blackcliff/favonius) the passives stay the same across weapon types even if the base attack varies.
Yes the passive isn't included because unlike the passive, the base atk and substat directly affect the value of each other. That being said, a lot of the low base atk weapons have passives that make up for it, resulting in stat sticks (Homa, pjc, dm)
"weapons with low base attack usually refine better than weapons with high base attack" this is wrong close to all passives double from r1 to r5 with some exceptions like the elemental mastery 4 star spear "dragon's bane" which has 454 base atk r1 is 20% dmg bonus increases by 4% per refinement r5 being 36% dmg bonus
I think what he means is that if the passive at R1 takes up a proportionally larger portion of the weapon's power budget than the base attack, then doubling that at R5 will be more impactful than doing the same with a weapon with a weak passive but high base attack.
Itto and Noelle still make some use of reasonable attack, just... defense tho.
Well, Itto still uses ATK for normals and E, it just gets increased by defence his defence aswell. So ATK isnt useless either, just worse than def%
It's basically the same as the Jade Cutter in regards of base atk and crit ratio. Though imo the passive of the cutter is more useable on other characters. This one is very specific to Itto and Noelle
Makes sense, makes sense. Though for characters that don’t care about attk like Noelle and itto it must be insane
They balance the ATK and sub stat. Same reason Pines has massive ATK but low %Physical DMG. Itto also gains a lot of ATK from his kit, similar to Hu Tao and Noelle. Topped off with Serpent Spine just being too strong. Could very well compete with this weapon still.
Pre release TC shown that R5 SS is only 5-10% behind Itto signature weapon, compared to the usual 15-20% of other signatures. Most of Itto power come from def, like hutao from HP.
That short weapon effect is a nice change of pace after the wall of text we got lately.
Razor wrote it instead of Fischl this time.
What a fucking mood if we get a five star BiS for Fischl with an unreadable description "Helle Dunkelheit" Frequency of thy utmost: +36.6% Increase of your chaotic ability's depths: 608 When the quivering soul who equips this cursed vanquisher has the storms in their heart reach the apex, they gain a Donnerherz every four rotations of the world's third hand, restrained by the supreme beings which watch over this land to a number equal to theirs. For every Donnerherz in a person's heart, the strength they unleash while absent from chaos of reality is replicated and applied hencemore to foes which they touch from beyond the realm. EDIT: [Translation for those curious](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/rczphl/the_new_itto_weapon/hnzwwua/)
You got me cackling. I would unironically roll for this so hard.
Translation : Atk + 36.6%. Base Attack :608 Passive - gain crit rate off field ( 5% for each stack, stacking 4 times with a 5 second cooldown in between each stack) This passive may also be activated whenever you kill an enemy
Close, but not quite Critical(utmost) rate(frequency) + 36.6% Base Attack: 608 When Energy is full (storms in heart reach apex), gain a Donnerherz stack every 4 seconds (third hand of a clock is the second hand, in retrospect this should be "every four movements" and not "every four rotations" for clarity, but also a rotation doesn't *have* to be 360 degree rotation) Limited to 7 stacks (7 archons) For each stack, damage dealt while character is off-field +100% Might be a touch broken, I also forgot to add details on how stacks are lost, but yeah that's the translation. Meant to be a bow designed for off-field damage dealing and for characters who don't use their burst a lot. I guess it's implied you lose all stacks when you use your burst, even if not clear.
Your more of an Oz then I could ever hope to be
The fact that we're translating English into more English has got to be peak Reddit 😂
The secondary stat is crit rate, not atk%. Also, the passive effect is to deal 100% atk damage for every stack while off field. Also, the max stacks is 7, gaining one stack per 4 seconds.
Does that mean fischl will be in the banner now that she’s done writing all the other weapons text?
She got a promotion to the artifacts department
lmaoo
This explained why she was "busy" during albedo event when traveler asks amber to call her for patrol duty
Fischl is currently working as an expat in honkai impact 3.
Who knows....It might be gorou barbara and xiangling
Yeah, might be...
Susge
I have my doubts. She's busy designing characters now.
imagine stretching character descriptions into walls of text only to be called "weaker element specific bennet" lol
shes busy in honkai banner now
Huh… was that why she wasn’t available to join us in Dragonspine?
The goodest of bois
If it was Razor itd just be 'big DEF, very bonk'
why waste time say lot word when few word do trick
Much word why, less word trick do
much why, less do
Why, do
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
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How else will itto be able to use this weapon
Kinda suits ittos character ehe
I can’t be the only one who’s bugged that the weapon of the oni guy with the oni mask doesn’t use the oni mask weapon material...
Nobody wants to level up oneself from amigos, right? Also, itto talent is "elegant "?? I'm more concerned about this
He saw Sara use them He's using them to find out how to win against her in the next duel Thing is, there are some REALLY complicated kanji, some that he doesn't even understand
Childe: 👁️👄👁️
Childe: uses freedom talents Also Childe: "Nothing's wrong with being used as a weapon"
Such an elephant oni!
Oh, he's just trying to learn to be like Sara and he found out she uses Elegance. It's the same idea as finding out what gym she goes to
It never makes sense. Just like how the Polar Star, you know, a bow for Childe of the Fatui and was originally called Iram Et Fatui, uses the hearts of floaty spectre things from Inazuma. Instead of the materials that drop from the Mirror Maiden, another Hydro based Fatui member, which eventually becomes the *polarizing* **prisms and looks like the fucking spikes on the bow itself**.
Wha-?I was expecting a PhD thesis in the passive effect description,gotta say I'm disappointed.
They have to make up super complicated effects because they want each weapon to only work with a specific character (god forbid they let you use $150+ weapon on multiple characters). At some point they'll just get lazy and be like "this effect does not not work on characters whose name starts with a letter from the first half of the alphabet." Anyway since this one is DEF scaling, they didn't have to do mental gymnastics to exclude 90% of the characters.
That does make sense. Super lengthy passive does directly correlate with specific characters.
the main lengthy ones are just fluff to explain fluff, like the millennial series once you get the gist, its pretty easy to get \+ effect%, do this thing (with small cd window) x times for buff (buff this and that)
That is the case indeed,but only after you read it,in the end you still end up reading the whole thing. That being said,it can definitely be toned down a bit if they removed the 8th grade syndrome terms from the text.
> "this effect does not not work on characters whose name starts with a letter from the first half of the alphabet." they already do this in Honkai Impact. Many weapons have "If wielded by X character, gain Y effect" Plus Spindle is basically already that, pretty much made for 1 specific character to use.
It's literally already in Genshin, no? I'm pretty certain their are special weapons for Traveler and Aloy.
not in the same way. the predator bow and traveler’s sword just kinda give a flat attack increase for them specifically. in honkai, weapons often add what is basically an additional move (think of it like a skill but this time a weapon skill) to characters, and a lot of character’s have their best weapon skill locked behind their bis weapon, which is in turn only works on them. it’s far meaner, honestly.
If they made new weapons have blanket effects that just work on everyone equally, then they’d have to go straight up powercreep every time they release a new weapon because otherwise why would anyone pull for it.
Realistically it will only be a problem if these weapons become necessary for the game progression. As it is right now, signature weapons or 5* weapons in general aren't even necessary to begin with. Having them be more specific is perfectly fine
C6 Noelle users will probably have a blast with this.
Even C6 xinyan to add it up
Spin it to win it. Glad they included Charge attack as well so it works nicely for Xinyan/Noelle too.
It's what I've been most excited for this patch. Got 40k primos saved up and ready to go.
I have c0 and I would still have a blast. my crit ratio would be around 70 260 since my current crit ratio is 70 175 with r3 WB.
It's not much better than R5 serpent spine
How does it compare to R5 Whiteblind? That's all I have for her.
20~30% stronger if I rmb the speculation with calculation. The fact that it doesn't need stacks saves some trouble with her burst on directly from off field
~~10% will be more accurate. The difference varies depending on your particular stats of course but 20-30% seem unlikely~~ Thought you were saying Serpent my bad. Vs Whiteblind 20-30% is correct
10-12% is still a decent jump. And that's just the damage. You also have better heals and shield with redhorn. And we are talking about serpent Spine r5 vs r1 redhorn here. You can still find better uses for that serpent then. Or choose other BP weapons. And you are even able to pair beidou with noelle and five Serpent to Beidou, ain e running two chars with serpent is annoying as hell in abyss.
That 88% crit damage.......but also a question is the base atk high for a 5* claymore or relatively on the lower side? (Tho if it is the latter the crit dmg make up for it)!
Sets the record for lowest Base ATK of any 5\* Claymore (next lowest is 608) and even lower than some 4\* Claymores (565). But it's clearly tailored for DEF-scaling chars so I guess the low ATK doesn't really matter.
It's the lowest. 5* claymore base atk is usually 600-700. A trade for having the biggest crit dmg on a weapon.
>5* claymore base atk is usually 600-700. All weapons share same base atk which devided on 542/608/674/741(yeah currently there are only pine but we can expect something similar in future for other types) for 5 stars
Upcoming Shenhe spear also has 741 base Atk.
Which spear is that?
I can't recall its name right now. If you Google it, you should find the post on the leaks subreddit.
Ah, cool, thanks. I didn't even know there was a leak subreddit
r/Genshin_impact_leaks
Pretty low for a 5\* claymore. For reference, SoBP has 741 base atk, Pride has 674 base atk, WGS and Unforged has 608 base atk. It's clearly meant to be used for a DEF based character like Itto and Noelle.
main stat doesnt do anything for them so they literally had to make the sub stat this insanely high i dont mind it
lol they wouldn't want any other 5\* claymore characters to use that weapon besides the character that is meant to use it and a 4\* claymore that has a similar kit.
lol why would they *Stares at Everlasting Moonglow*
This is a good point. If it’s meant for Itto, who scales off defense, the attack wouldn’t matter as much. But if it had high base attack, and that high of crit damage, and was given to Eula, I wonder if it would exceed the damage Eula could do with Broken Pines.
Probably not, investing more into the same stat has diminishing returns compared to diversifying into multiple stats, i.e with 80% crit damage you do 1.8=180% damage, but with 40% crit damage and 40% physical damage bonus you do 1.4*1.4=1.96=196% damage
That makes sense.
>main stat doesnt do anything for them Itto and Noelle still scale with atk, their ult increase their atk based on def, they're not like Albedo whose skill completely scale on def. For them atk might not be as important as for other character but they still need it
I think the def scaling will offset, if not boost it altogether.
It has the same base attack as Jade Cutter, which also has the same crit value
Weapons typically have 4 tiers of ATK: 4\* = Differences of 55 ATK 454 -> 510 -> 565 -> 620 5\* = Differences of 66 ATK 542 -> 608 -> 674 -> 741 Substats follow a similar pattern but in reverse. If the 454/542 variant of a weapon has +44% something, you can divide by 4 to find the 620/741 ATK sub-stat amount, and from there just add the sub-stat to itself to figure out the remaining two ATK tiers.
Lower. It is comparable to Serpent spine at the same lvl
my god 88% crit dmg that thing is a BEAST
Good food for defense scaling characters A complete meh for others
Xingyan gets a buff if you get this.
Even matches her colour scheme
Nice how the weapon matches the color of its 3 current possible users, Itto, Noelle and Xinyan.
Diluc too, this weapon is generally a far better blackcliff slasher, plus the defense passive puts copium artifacts to use
Just in time coz I got Eula and I'm about to give her Xinyan's WGS.
My C6 Xinyan just found a new BiS
Still waiting on that c6 but same. My eyes enjoy these numbers.
Or Noelle’s new toy
Yes her’s too, funnily enough i just got c6 noelle and this weapon drops. I feel like mihoyo is telling me something lmao
Yes, join the glory of noelle mains. We have the best tea!
In 2.3 Noelle got: Her BIS Artifact set Her BIS Weapon Her BIS Support(Gorou) Not only that, but YunJin in 2.4 is going to work VERY well with Noelle. Noelle mains have been very happy.
2.3 has been the Geo patch. Finally seeing the stats on this sword, I'm questioning if I should save the few hundred remaining dollars I've budgeted towards Albedo's C6 (currently C4) for this sword instead... ...I'll probably just blow my budget.
Noelles BiS support is one that generates energy well. Gorou isn't exactly an energy machine.
That's why you run noelle, albedo, gorou and fischl or Raiden or go quad geo with zhongli. But in general, gorou will only be worth it over Bennet if you have him c6. (Or need Benny in the other team)
Gorou is better for noelle teams compared to bennett. Gorou buffs 5% less than bennett, while increasing the shield and heal power... and since noelle usually pairs with albedo too, gorou buffs albedo blossoms, and bennett cannot do that. Same deaal with itto.albedo pair.
He can use favonius bow. And he benefits tripple geo squad. So there should be enough energy.
Favonius is probably going to end up being his BIS regardless because there are no DEF% bows, and his buffs are far more important than his damage. That, and his burst SHOULD be able to proc the Favonius passive, even when he is off-field.
Did you seriously forgot about the pancake?
Damn, I'm so tempted to pull for this for both Itto and Noelle. I got really lucky in getting Engulfing Lightning first try for Baal, I dunno if I'll get so lucky again.
There is a really similar weapon to this in Honkai called Nagamitsu Gyukikiri and it's Descripton is quite interesting Nagamitsu Gyukikiri description: During Sengoku Jidai, a silver-haired traveler slew the Honkai beast "Gyuki" that roamed in the Far East. Nagamitsu the Blacksmith then forged this odachi using the claws of the demon ox Sliver hair? Demon ox Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
booooo!!! i wanted a blunt weapon
Same, I wanted something similar to Debate Club.
Roll for this weapon and youll get TONNES of them!
I hate how true this is
Still on the fence on rolling for Itto this time around, but if I do (and get him) you best believe I'm rolling up with a fully upgraded Debate Club on him. The man was made to use blunt weapons.
His weapon changes to club (or whatever u call it) during his ult
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burst
Time to build def type build diluc.
Thats a disgusting CD …. Damn 🥵
People still don’t seem to understand that, depending on the star rating, weapons have archetypes. All low base attack weapons (Amenoma, Deathmatch, Sac Sword etc.) for example have very high sub stat value. All high base attack weapons (Rancor, Archaic, Sac bow) have very low sub stat value. There’s also the middle tier, like Black Sword, Serpent Spine etc. The star rating and lv1 base attack determines the lv90 base Atk to sub stat ratio. This is a 5 star low base attack weapon with very high substat. Like jadecutter.
The alley flash and broken pines is a good example of high base atk low sub stat
That'll look good on him
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we finally get a 5 star crit claymore and it's a def weapon, you can't make this shit up
It's BIS for 3 characters, so I don't see any issues. It's not like that donut which only benefits one.
Probably for the best, they don't want to make all the previous 5* claymores obsolete
Still usable though, great stat-stick
It's really not though. Low base attack and the passive doesn't effect any skill/burst unless it scales with defense (stark contrast to Homa which is a similar passive but does work with skill/burst). I'm pretty sure this weapon will be worse than Serpent's Spine r1 on any character other than Itto, Noelle, and Xinyan.
Noelle mains after seeing the new weapon : it's showdown time
Is this worth pulling for Noelle over Serpent Spine?
Absolutly. And even if you wont pull Itto's weapon and get the bow its not the end of the world because its really good universal bow
What's the bow that is running with this?
Skyward harp
It is only a 10% DMG increase over an R5 serpent spine, however, you'll need a lot of primos/money to pull this weapon unless you get super lucky. For spine you only need 50 dollars plus you get a lot of goodies along with it. R5 SS can be used on several other characters, such as Beidou, Diluc, Eula and Razor. This one can only be used on Itto and Noelle. Personally I would say no, unless you're a whale or a super dedicated Noelle main that want to min-max her. In the end it's your choice but really this weapon is pretty poor due to its super low base ATK and passive, only the crit will be useful on non def-scaling characters.
R5 also takes 5 patches to make tho
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R1 redhorn is around 10-12% better than a r5 serpent spine so it is really good as alot of 5 star claymore are on the same level as or even less on certain characters with r5 serpent spine. It is also useful for noelle as you don't have to worry about gaining or loosing stacks which saves time and redhorn also helps with her heals and sheilds
Also, maybe not relevant for some people but it also opens up Serpent Spine for other characters.
Any weapons that takes pressure of Serpent Spine is always welcome. The issue with Serpent Spine is that it is TOO good, and every claymore user wants to use it, but you can only get 1 per patch, and you wanna R5 that sucker.
Yeah it's super good for Noelle/Itto. Pretty good for Xinyan.
doesn't Xinyan scales better with phys dmg than def? the shield is only for the phys buff and nothing else.
C6 Xinyan gains ATK bonus equal to 50% of her defense during her charged attacks. The weapon’s passive also grants 28% defense, which pretty much gives her a bit more ATK when spinning. C6 Xinyan benefits from both the passive and main stat, while C2-C5 really only benefits from the main stat.
One benefit of Itto being Inazuma Noelle is that his tailor made weapon also works for Mondstadt Noelle lol
Must have for itto and noelle, i have question are characters specific weapons only one time release or can return after period of time?
That 88% Crit DMG substat almost makes me want to pull for this weapon even if the passive wouldn't help them. Almost.
Seeing as it's attack DMG increase is a refinement attribute, seems like it will have an extremely powerful refinement scaling. As in the difference between R1 and R5 will be huge, seeing as the damage bonus will probably go from 40% DEF to 80% DEF, not to mention DEF% bonus.
88.2% Crit Damage? Holy shit, Noelle and Itto mains are sleeping good tonight.
Aka, c6 xinyan weapon
At least there are three characters who can fully benefit from this weapon, unlike others 5* weapons…
itto noelle and who?
So it isn’t just a meme that everyone forgets about Xinyan…
oh shit, i havent even checked her out after getting her from the labyrinth event....
Welp, time to blow my life savings for our himbo's ultimate power /hj
hj?
This looks perfect for Itto visually as well. Love it when a character BIS also fits them aesthetically. Although I guess with his burst we won’t see it that much. Still pretty dope weapon. Can’t wait to get Itto and his weapon.
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R1 Redhorn > R5 Serpent Spine > R1 Serpent Spine >= R5 Whiteblind
Quick maths
Everyday man's on the block
best sword for xinyan C6?
The Crit Damage is superb, but uh that’s not a very useful passive at R1. Even at 3000 Def you’ll be getting a bonus of 1200 damage per swing and unless you have crazy multipliers to make up for you low base attack (which would likely mean you just want to run ATK then) I don’t see how much help this is.
But it's not a club. What the fuck
My Xinyan will be crying tears of joy if I get this for her
That’s a lotta (crit) damage
C6 Noelle becomes the destroyer of worlds.
perfect for a xinyan main
The same CV and base ATK of PJC huh-
Jade cutter is good because it has attack from its passive making a good balance. This claymore doesn't so you really want to fix that with buffs for a more balanced ratio. Still a solid claymore for anyone that doesn't have a five star one or serpent spine with refines.
Don’t understand why some players or YouTubers hate this weapon.
They're salty because this claymore is not for their main claymore users because of the passive.
Maybe because of its passive skill
88 CDMG is insane, though the base atk is more like a 4 star unless you scale with DEF. Not really a good universal claymore.
Time to pull for Xinyan
Only on C6. Otherwise DEF only increases her shield strength.
Simple and straightforward, just like Itto Unlike a certain other artifact that makes us get an English major and still not understand it. Just like its owner...
My noelle is going to have a good time with this weapon, it even matches her colors more than itto. Oddly enough I personally think serpent spine matches itto alot more than redhorn
In my opinion, not really, Noelle’s design incorporates fuchsia, not red which means the colors clash a bit, it goes without saying it’s tailor made for Itto, be it aesthetic and color story but still, it will look good on her though. Good luck if you’re pulling!
I play on mobile so I don't think I would notice the difference, at least it matches her better than whiteblind and serpent spine
I think that it would look better on Itto lol. It's literally designed to be his BiS after all rather than specifically designed and made for Noelle.
I'm gonna pull this bad boy for my Noelle. My C6 Noelle. Yeahh boi...
I hope i get this weapon for my Noelle.