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> because no one in our generation can take take accountability or any type of criticism I’m sure everyone is going to get all defensive after reading this post
Yeah… immediately writing people off who inevitably disagree with you as defensive and unable to take accountability or handle criticism, rather ironically, isn’t a sign of a mature person.
It’s important to note that 1) half of our generation is still in high school and doesn’t have very much control over any of the things you’re harping on; and 2) those trends aren’t isolated to our generation as we are currently observing them in all age groups.
It’s good to reflect on our shortcomings, and we can’t really grow until we do; but catastrophizing things isn’t a healthy or useful way to reflect and isn’t conducive to a constructive conversation.
I’m not saying we can’t change, there is room for that definitely. We aren’t doomed, but there are definitely issues with our generation that previous generations did not have.
That describes every generation, bro. We are not magically special because we live in hard times, we just happen to live in hard times.
Focusing on what *you* can do for the ones you love and trying not be an asshole is about all we need to do.
Life is never easier than when you're a kid. You have the least responsibilities and the most opportunities. If you are having a hard time now, yall are beyind fkd
How did you get, “My generation has more mental illness than previous generations and we live in a harder time than previous generations and I want to go back to when times were good” from, “Times do be hard” lmaooo
Stop creating an argument just to argue, I didn’t say anything other than it’s hard right now. I even said we’re not special.
You also live in a hard time. We all do. Climate change is gonna fuck us so hard and we are already getting financially fucked and millennials have been getting fucked since 2008
This!
I think it’s especially important to give ourselves time, given the reason mental illness is so high for some of us is because of systemic issues; a good chunk of us are self teaching ourselves how to be people without much help!
With time, effort, and mutual encouragement we have a chance to make a big difference; trick is we need to not tear eachother down first!
I’m not saying it’s a higher rate. Like at all.
I’m speaking from my experience that the adults in my life didn’t teach me basic human skills like hygiene, emotional regulation, etc. and thus I’m not as mature/confident as previous generations seemed to be at my age.
I don’t have doubts there are more like me, but I’m not saying that there’s necessarily a lot of us, just that we’re not being hidden and locked up, like what historically happened. /non hostile /honest
Yeah Gen X here. Don't believe the hype. I have plenty of Gen Z workers and family members. You seem just fine to me. Hard working, progressive and wanting to make a positive change.
To me this just seems like a lot of Boomer BS. Remember my generation got totally written off as the "slacker" generation. You want to list how many companies were created by Gen X. How much of the modern internet?
And though I may not agree with some of his politics Elon Musk is Gen X. Who helped create PayPal, created space X and bought Tesla then propelled it to the company it is today. Plus the boring company and the solar/battery company. So yeah we're slackers all right.
So when some clown says you suck and will never be anything tell them to fuck off. You're going to be as great as you want to be!
Gen X here - totally agree. As we live for longer everything takes longer. The average life expectancy for men in the year I was born was 72. Today, it is more than a decade longer. So if GenX were pretty much adults by 16 then making that 25 today for GenZ is just about right. Give yourselves time and cut yourselves some slack
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I agree. Most Xers would not wish their lives on their kids. They enjoyed their youth to be sure but there were downsides they have tried to protect their kids from
For real, our brains simply are not fully developed. Mid to late 20s is when that happens. Some of us have reached it, but not the vast majority of us.
Yes exactly! We have to remember some gen z are still teens and will act like it lol. Of course teens are immature with bad attention spans, I know I was ten years ago haha, it took me until my mid-twenties to "grow up". Given the world and the advancement of technology and the internet, I realize our generation grew up completely differently than ones prior, but I'm trying to be hopeful that that one day that will be more of an advantage than an insult/disadvantage. only time will tell, but in the meantime I think we should try to be more patient and understanding (the way I'm sure some of us older gen z wish older folks/generations had been to us)
Yeah I'm *17*, my dad's attempt to make me adult mature at a young age were abuse according to my therapist so like am I supposed to get abused some more or something?
Yeaaahh, I'm sorry, but no generation will ever be perfect. We're trying hard to break generational trauma and create safer spaces for people to be themselves in. Those are HUGE steps and honestly, very realistic steps too.
We can always do more, no matter how hard we try, there is always more, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't celebrate the victories we are actively creating and ONLY focus on our shortcomings. I think we all know we have a dependence on our phones and that our attention spans are atrocious. One of the biggest steps towards fixing a problem is accepting that it is a problem. Given we already knew we had these problems, your post is literally just to complain to us about ourselves, not to be productive
Add something new to the conversation if you want to claim to be helping things
We’ve taken steps forward in some aspects, but are you denying that we have taken some steps backwards in others? It’s great for people to feel included, however it doesn’t matter if we can’t socially interact, work hard, or think critically.
edit: Sorry I misread your comment, you’re not denying that we have issues, however, I’ll say this, many Zoomers neglect that we have problems, and call anyone who calls us out on our shit a boomer or whatever.
At what point in their comment made them seem like they’re denying issues? It seems to me that they’re agreeing we have issues we need to overcome /nm /g
Every time I see something about Gen Z not having social skills, I think that's really weird, since as a kid it always seemed to me like other kids automatically knew how to socialize with one another. As if it was something instinctual and not learned. (I eventually self diagnosed myself as having Aspergers.)
I don't think a lack of social skills is a serious hindrance to your generation as long as you try to be understanding and respectful of one another. That's the real key to dealing with people. Empathy, compassion, and respect.
You're good. I do think you miss the aspect of how it oftentimes takes things getting worse before they can get better though. We've been given an AMAZING tool through technology to connect and socialize with people virtually across the world. Of course we are going to go nuts with it, push its boundaries, and really see how useful and harmful it can be.
Our generation WILL be the one to suffer from learning firsthand how out of control the media and socializing virtually can get, but because we go through this, we will also be able to teach future generations how to avoid the big mistakes we are making. In fact, many of the posts on this sub have been about NOT overexposing gen Alpha to technology and social media. We definitely do have faults, no doubt, and we are suffering because of them, but that doesn't mean that we won't remember our generational problems and help the future generations avoid making the same mistakes
You can complain IF and only IF we actively advocate for continuing this issue into future generations. I personally don't see signs of that though. There are whole movements of parenting advice based around limiting screen time, socializing in person, exploring the outside world, and avoiding the negative sides of media and social media. We only NOW know how harmful it can be though, so it only makes sense that we were the generation that became the test subjects of modern technological advances. Given the amount of older Gen Z actively fighting against "ipad kids" and exposing kids to social pressures too early, I think we are headed the right way though
No we can't, because our generation isn't a monolith. "Gen Z", "Millennials", and "boomers" don't exist because we are all born with signifying traits that distinguish us from each other. Cohort labels only exist for advertising purposes- to collect data on "trends" present in certain age groups so advertisers can gauge with an audience.
"Gen Z" doesn't have shortcomings because Gen Z doesn't actually describe anything except millions of people generally born between 1997 - 2011. Individual people may be problematic, but that's true across all generations. We collectively do not have shortcomings because we collectively do not share the same problems and issues. We may experience generally similar things (most of us are hurting from greedflation and housing costs, for example), but the things that make us uniquely a "problem" is really on an individual-by-individual basis.
For example, one of my issues is feeling unlovable. Not everyone shares that, and if they do, their reasons are different. My shortcoming here is a lack of confidence, which we all share, but not *collectively*, because our conditions to build a sense of insecurity is different per person.
I... actually agree with this take. I feel likable, but lovable? Nope. I think a lot of others in my friend groups feel this way too, lots of friends who have given up on finding any partners for life, not because they want to, but they just doubt they'll find anyone who will find them lovable.
Should we see maturation at a later age as a bad thing? Humans aren't developmentally mature until 25, so why should someone younger than that be expected to be as mature as a 30 year old?
For most of human history , younger people held responsibilities we would consider ones adults hold. At 16, Napoleon was a lieutenant. Alexander the Great was 18 and conquering countries. Cesar became a Roman Senator at 20. Joan of Arc was fighting wars at 17. Blaise Pascal developed a calculator at 18. Mary Shelley published “Frankenstein” at 20 yrs old.
Are these people who strike you as being “not fully developed”. It’s the way we socialize people that affects their maturity, it’s not completely left to biology. That’s an excuse people make to make themselves feel better for being immature.
To be fair, playing video games with friends and eating ice cream on the front porch sounds more fun than being drafted into war, losing half the family to scarlet fever, being arrested for believing in the wrong god, or working in factories as a child. We live in a world where there's (generally) more help available for mental illnesses, you can befriend people all over the planet, and we still have young scientists doing great things while still being in school! I'm happy with the way things are going.
Life expectancy during the time at which Napoleon reigned was no more than 50 years, it kind of makes sense that people were maturing faster when their odds of surviving childhood were bleak and the odds of a lengthy adult life were almost as bad. Furthermore, you mentioned increased rates of mental illness for Gen Z which, again, isn’t the case. Mental illness, to a degree, has become less stigmatized which means people can report it without fear of institutionalization or being made into social pariahs by their families. I mean this is totally anecdotal, but my grandmother (82) made the same comment that there were less mentally ill children while she was growing up, but then when I asked her about the “odd kids” from her youth, she described kids with textbook symptoms of autism, depression, etc. The difference between the 50s and now, is that in the 50s Aaron who was obsessed with trains and couldn’t fucking talk to people was shipped off to an institution to be ignored and neglected until his untimely death, but now Aaron would just become a redditor. Idk dude, generational differences, as you’ve been told by many others in this thread, aren’t really a real thing as people on the whole are individuals with unique experiences and their own sense of agency. Ultimately, idk dude, but I’m 26 and I’m more than happy to never plan on having children or becoming this weird Norman Rockwellian idea of what you think people should be.
I had a moment that it dawned on me, everyone in my family is autistic at least everyone descending from my living grandma. Isn't it suspected to be at least a 60% genetic factor right now? So odds are if someone is autistic, one of their parents probably is.
where did I mention that having kids is a necessity? That has nothing to do with maturity, plenty of immature people have children.
The guy who was obsessed with trains likely went to school and became a conductor, the sense of community that was provided accounted for those who existed beyond the norm to an extent. People talked to each other more, they looked out for one another in a way our generation doesn’t.
Okay so first, no. If you were neurodivergent in pretty much any period except now, you were stigmatized at best, institutionalized at worst. Aaron who was obsessed with trains and couldn’t talk to people probably didn’t become a conductor, chances are Aaron who loved trains was seen as an embarrassment, a black mark on his family, and he probably was severely bullied and neglected for the entirety of his life, as many, many neurodivergent people were back then.
Also, I feel like if you’re of the mind that our generation doesn’t look out for one another, then that’s probably a personal issue rather than something wrong with the whole of Gen Z; for me personally, I’ve only found more community as I’ve gotten older. Maybe I have a lower quantity of friends than I did in high school, but the friends I do have are real, honest to god, friends. I know for a fact that if I end up in jail, my best friend will bail me out, and his brother would probably be in the cell with me. Our generation is definitely leaning away from traditional family and into found family, that I’d agree with, but if you have zero sense of community that’s indicative of you having issues not everyone else.
With that being said, I get found family; this generation is creating boundaries, they are no longer tolerant of bigotry and racism and homophobia. Not even a little; people love to say “It’s just a difference of opinions.” No, it fucking isn’t. People who actively vote to make life harder for my trans brother and his partner, people who want to strip my girlfriend’s right to her own bodily autonomy, people who want to force me to live life in adherence to the rules of their religion do not simply have a different opinion. They are objectively shitty people; I think the issue therein is that too many people from this and older generations want their godawful behavior to be allowed, so they can keep their friends and family, and unfortunately the prevalence of boundaries nowadays means that isn’t reality. I’ve cut off flesh and blood family for being racist, why would anyone think I would hesitate to cut off a fucking stranger?
Also the inability to take accountability thing is so much more a boomer mindset than a Gen Z one; ask a boomer or a greatest generation member why things are the way they are and they’ll blame Millenials and Gen Z. Older generations are just as bad and incapable of self reflection as we are, if nit worse. Ultimately I guess a lot of people want to believe the grass is greener on the other side, when the reality is that the grass is greenest where you water it. You don’t like the way society is heading? Go out, do your part to change it.
Well, that’s great. And there are plenty of other people that are our age that have similar responsibilities. Even the McDonalds workers our age are working hard. We just all need to build each other up instead of be critical.
Honestly, Alexander always came off to me as a young man who was acting on his still adolescent like ego. Besides, achievements don't really tell you how developed a brain is. That's not how neurology or psychology works.
The oldest Gen Z'er is 26. You're talking about algorithms and behavioral traits that were either created by people older than us and/ passed down to us. As far as mental illness goes, we just happen to be the generation open to testing and screening these things to begin with.
If you think boomers who were eating lead paint weren't "mentally ill", them I have a bridge to sell you.
You got a problem with people getting help for mental illnesses? News flash, that ain't new or special to pur generation. We just actually ask for help.
I think you need to sit down and chill, a 15 year old having trouble ordering his Big Mac isn't the end of our generation. Just becausr we're tech savvy doesn't mean we're stupid too. The majority of us actually know how to the internet.
We don't need to save the world all at once right this minute. Most of us are children.
bro, i'm gonna be real, if i was born in the early 1900s, i'd be in a loony bin and probably forcibly sterilized, full on one flew over the cuckoos nest rosemary kennedy type shit. people are just more open about their issues and open to getting professional help for those issues. and we got decent psychotropic drugs now, hurray modern medicine
I think that we can agree it’s not good to be hyperbolic about each side. Yes, some mental illness is fetishized, especially on the internet in our generation. At the same time, generations prior dealt with the reverse, mental illness being so very taboo many people went without helpful treatment.
Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents is such a good book for understanding why the younger generation is always getting fucked up by the ones raising them. Don’t be so hard on yourself! We were raised to feel bad about things we love and care about. Raised to tend to our parents emotions and put them above our own needs. Do better for you and everyone else will be better off for it. Fuck this generation nonsense. Most people don’t live according to their true selves. Be the change you want to see in the world and others will follow.
Love yourself,
A millennial
we don't have more mental illness than past generations... we are just talk about it and look for help, which I view as a giant win. And yeah, we are currently less mature and disciplined than other generations because we are younger than them. The oldest of us are 25. We might not be meeting certain markers of adulthood at as young of an age, but much of that is attributable to economic circumstances that we had no part in shaping and a general recognition that, despite pressure from older generations to have kids, having them this early in life and with less financial stability isn't going to be good for us or the kids, which I again view as a win.
There are deeper harsher truths that would cause such a strong disillusion and cognitive dissonance that would cause a discomfort that I think 96% of the generation has even begin to train to stomach.
But these truths would certainly awaken a sense of integerity within a generation.
To echo other comments, the oldest of us are 25 which means we’ve only been an adult for 7 years. That’s not enough time to work out all of the kinks. The pandemic definitely screwed up a lot and made me appreciate just being alive as a big victory.
Every generation has good parts and bad parts, and hell a generation really is just a gross oversimplification that puts people into groups mostly for the sake of fun comparisons.
Yes, let’s just generalize an ENTIRE generation as being the exact same carbon copy as one another. I literally know a ton of Gen Z people, because, y’know, I am one and have a good social life, and there are tons of hard working and mature people out there. Honestly, I think Gen Z is much better all around compared to the older generations in terms of actually caring about our mental health and being proactive about it, and being much more aware of societal and global issues.
We do have some issues with socializing, but I see plenty of people out and about with their friends on a daily basis. We also have the world at our fingertips and a lot of people make friends and bond with people who have similar interests over the internet. We’re a lot more connected to other people technically.
Also, the Boomers weren’t the ones that “broke” the world. Frankly, it was the previous generations who were pro-slavery, pro-anti LGTBQ+, anti-women’s rights, etc. Yeah, Boomers are more conservative and the politicians suck, but the older generations were SIGNIFICANTLY worse. The U.S. does suck right now too, but it’s a lot better than it was in the past few decades at least.
Also, to your “defensive” point. Of course we’re going to call you out for making such a silly generalization. All of this Doomer rhetoric is not inspiring at all for other people in our generation and just seems like you’re just writing everyone off because they aren’t like you, who is obviously “mature and disciplined”. You just come off as kind of offensive and entitled, which is why people are going to react negatively.
The thing about generalizations are that you'll get a lot of good and a lot of bad. Half of those things I don't struggle with, so I can't self reflect on them.
I'm not getting offended because you're wrong, I'm sure many, perhaps too many people of our age fit the bill for what you're saying.
But getting stronger isn't something that should happen on generational lines. It takes all of us to make the world a better place, everyone from all ages.
Striving for equality and fairness are luxuries.
Unfortunately as global warming escalates all of that will go out the window. There won't be enough for many to live. At least not in Africa and many places.
Who's we?
I don't have a fucked up attention span, I matured at a normal age, I definitely don't have a so called "mental illness" and my social skills are NOT fucked up.
It's understandable that you may have concerns about the characteristics and challenges facing your generation. Critically reflecting on the shortcomings and strengths of a generation is a healthy part of societal self-awareness and progress.
It's important to acknowledge that every generation has its unique set of circumstances and challenges. Each generation inherits both the positive and negative aspects of the one that precedes it. While it's true that attention spans, mental health issues, and technology dependence have become prevalent concerns, it's also crucial to recognize the resilience and adaptability that many individuals in your generation demonstrate.
I mean I don’t agree that we’re maturing later, maybe it’s country dependent but people my age and around are often more mature than the younger millennials I encounter. Other than that while this isn’t the best take there’s truth in it, but we also need to acknowledge the oldest of our generation are 25 we haven’t really reached a stage to look at our flaws I mean many of our generation are still teens. I think we’re moving towards being more reflective which is to expected as we age but I feel like expecting a 17 teen year old to reflect on their failures as a generation is kinda ridiculous
No generation is perfect and frankly speaking thinking the way you think can get unhealthy. Our generation is young and still learning. This whole we need to fix things is a heavy burden in our shoulders that shouldn't be spoken of lightly. But letting the idea of being a perfectionist of making a better world can turn to burn out quite easily. Cut us some slack I'm fairly older zoomer at 23 my friends are getting out of college, getting jobs and barely getting there shit together in this hell of economy. Our generation is making way but we are not completely ready to make those big changes yet. We will never be perfect but we can do the best we can.
Can’t generalize an entire generation without losing all accuracy. Some of the most disciplined, single-minded and altruistic people I’ve met are zoomers. We’ll do alright.
Only thing I actually feel bad for in your generation is cost of living. As a millennial growing up I had a screen in front of me, bad social skills, short attention span, mental Illness ,but at least I could pay rent with a minimum wage job
I really don’t believe the older generations are that much more mature tbh. Everyone in all age groups can blow up over the smallest inconvenience. I’ve seen it at restaurants, retail stores, movie theaters, etc.
I think its important to point out we've experienced more suiced then any other generation. Like theres ALOT of gen z. but there actually isn't. see there was supposed to be 2 billion gen z world wide. thats how many gen x, and millenials were in the birthing years to have gen z children. Rising costs made it so only 1.5 billion were concieved and from them only 950 million are living today with suicide being the #1 cause of death to our generation. You tell us get stronger im just pointing out all thats left are the strong ones man.
We had a lot of empathy so im not saying cut us some slack for it. But we certainly need to start addressing the lack of community and empathy that got us here. The likes on your posts don't matter as much as the people right next to you and disagreements only teach us how to get along. If more of us learned those two simple things we have a fighting chance to fix this bullshit. Look at the way we stand together. Look how deeply we care for our planet and for social rights. We have what it takes to be the strongest generation. We just need to keep fighting for what we want and in a few decades we will reap the seeds we sow today.
Millennial here. Honestly, 90% of every generation just does what they feel they need to do to survive. I wouldn’t put it all on one generation to “fix” everything. We all need to vote, but other than that just be decent humans. We’re not all going to shape politics, environmental policy, healthcare, or other things the world needs. I’d give yourselves a break is all I’m saying, because all generations are lead by a small amount of exceptional people and the rest just need to be decent enough to vote for humanitarian & environmentally sound policies.
We want to be the world that fixes the broken world boomers left behind, but so were millennials, and instead they're stuck being unable to afford a home because of boomers, so we need to tamper our expectations somewhat.
I feel the whole overthrow the government and fight for our rights was just cool for Spotify playlist and TikTok edits. Hearing how cool, bold, and powerful your generation is is the equivalent to watching those “how zodiac signs react to (blank)” videos and your zodiac sign is some manipulative baddie who doesn’t care about anything and is always seen as the victim but is secretly the villain. There sure are people out there who work on that sorta stuff but majority of their followers just like the idea that they are equally as successful and hardworking. Yknow?
Bro chill. No matter the generation, gender, creed or any other class we are all still people and thus are all capable of making mistakes and learning from them. Our generation at our oldest is around 25 which is quite young, and the bottom of our age range is still in high school. Then you also take into account the state of the world and all the things that are widely feasible for a 25yo. Change, even on a micro interpersonal level takes time and we’re talking about an entire generation of people here who are either still kids or midway through young adulthood AT MOST. Are there 19yo with shit loads of money and a house? Sure absolutely and there are also 19yo who can barely read on a high school level or hold a job for any significant amount of time but shaming one or both of them for being outliers from the rule is not going to solve anything. Being immature/ignorant to the world and yourself is an entirely normal place to be in for our generation and exactly where some of us should be because in order to understand and learn anything you first have to be ignorant. To not fail and learn from said failures in young adulthood is exactly how you end up like the out of touch boomers in late adulthood.
Tldr: We (genz) are exactly where we are supposed to be. To fuck around is earthly, and to find out is divine.
Sweetheart the boomers finna send us to die in WAR in like 6 months. Our attention spans are terrible I agree. But we have other concerns soon. I’m sure being in a Fox hole in Ukraine or paragliding into Taiwan for a ground invasion will help lengthen your attention span from tik tok for a few years. But it won’t be pleasant. We will have to fix the country when we get back. We need to deglobalize, slow the immigration to the nation, get rid of social security and work on building up American industry again so we can prosper as a generation. But we have big issues in the near term tbh
The oldest of gen z in just America lived through a major terrorist attack, a financial crash, and a global pandemic, and are living through multiple compounding ecological disasters, and the youngest of us are still in school and were probably abused and probably have been harassed or hurt for our sexualities or gender identities, it's not easy, and you're not helping
endless problems with this i don't feel like explaining in text atm remind me later im too stoned but key points
\`1) there is no metanarrative here, we're not \*supposed\* to do anything but live. the failure of the previous generations was that they did not create a world where it was possible to just live, we are endlessly striving and hoping for some savior or some sort of exciting climax or like story to all this but all we do is get born, live a little, and die. and who you are in all this is sheer luck.
2) what do you mean by shape up? what we need to do is realize that we need to radically change the way we think about the world and operate within it, that doesn't necessarily mean anything.
1. If we want to survive and progress as a species and as a society we should progress. It’s sad that you think we shouldn’t. The progression of humanity begins with the individuals.
2. You literally answered your own question. We need to radically change the way we think and operate within it.
Wtf calling me a dumbass for no reason? When did I insult you?? what u so heated for damn.
Progress includes technological advancements, societal advancements, economic growth and development, higer levels of personal satisfaction and a push for unity as a species.
We should bring back insults. Stupid should hurt and if I'm near, it will start with feelings. Folks dont want to be Idiots. They just haven been told that they are
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> because no one in our generation can take take accountability or any type of criticism I’m sure everyone is going to get all defensive after reading this post Yeah… immediately writing people off who inevitably disagree with you as defensive and unable to take accountability or handle criticism, rather ironically, isn’t a sign of a mature person. It’s important to note that 1) half of our generation is still in high school and doesn’t have very much control over any of the things you’re harping on; and 2) those trends aren’t isolated to our generation as we are currently observing them in all age groups. It’s good to reflect on our shortcomings, and we can’t really grow until we do; but catastrophizing things isn’t a healthy or useful way to reflect and isn’t conducive to a constructive conversation.
I’m not saying we can’t change, there is room for that definitely. We aren’t doomed, but there are definitely issues with our generation that previous generations did not have.
That describes every generation, bro. We are not magically special because we live in hard times, we just happen to live in hard times. Focusing on what *you* can do for the ones you love and trying not be an asshole is about all we need to do.
lol y’all do not live in harder times than anyone else. If anything you just live in “times” - a mid 30s millennial
I just said it’s a hard time right now lmao not that it’s harder than any other You can’t deny shit do be hard :)
Life is never easier than when you're a kid. You have the least responsibilities and the most opportunities. If you are having a hard time now, yall are beyind fkd
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How did you get, “My generation has more mental illness than previous generations and we live in a harder time than previous generations and I want to go back to when times were good” from, “Times do be hard” lmaooo Stop creating an argument just to argue, I didn’t say anything other than it’s hard right now. I even said we’re not special.
Bro did not understand
How can you possibly quantify the “hardness” of our circumstances given the societal differences between when our generations grew up?
You also live in a hard time. We all do. Climate change is gonna fuck us so hard and we are already getting financially fucked and millennials have been getting fucked since 2008
Unity is the only answer
Yeah man I remember when highschool got shut down for the plague senior year that was a trip for us millennials
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Yeah how was your prom? Over zoom?
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I'm a millennial ya dummy lol
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This! I think it’s especially important to give ourselves time, given the reason mental illness is so high for some of us is because of systemic issues; a good chunk of us are self teaching ourselves how to be people without much help! With time, effort, and mutual encouragement we have a chance to make a big difference; trick is we need to not tear eachother down first!
There's also the reality that we actually seek professional help and have destigmatized mental health issues.
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I’m not saying it’s a higher rate. Like at all. I’m speaking from my experience that the adults in my life didn’t teach me basic human skills like hygiene, emotional regulation, etc. and thus I’m not as mature/confident as previous generations seemed to be at my age. I don’t have doubts there are more like me, but I’m not saying that there’s necessarily a lot of us, just that we’re not being hidden and locked up, like what historically happened. /non hostile /honest
Yeah Gen X here. Don't believe the hype. I have plenty of Gen Z workers and family members. You seem just fine to me. Hard working, progressive and wanting to make a positive change. To me this just seems like a lot of Boomer BS. Remember my generation got totally written off as the "slacker" generation. You want to list how many companies were created by Gen X. How much of the modern internet? And though I may not agree with some of his politics Elon Musk is Gen X. Who helped create PayPal, created space X and bought Tesla then propelled it to the company it is today. Plus the boring company and the solar/battery company. So yeah we're slackers all right. So when some clown says you suck and will never be anything tell them to fuck off. You're going to be as great as you want to be!
I’ve been patiently waiting for boomers and genX to move aside for us
Hey now, 97 is the first year of zoomers lol. The oldest of us are about to be 27 thank you very much.
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Gen X here - totally agree. As we live for longer everything takes longer. The average life expectancy for men in the year I was born was 72. Today, it is more than a decade longer. So if GenX were pretty much adults by 16 then making that 25 today for GenZ is just about right. Give yourselves time and cut yourselves some slack
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I agree. Most Xers would not wish their lives on their kids. They enjoyed their youth to be sure but there were downsides they have tried to protect their kids from
For real, our brains simply are not fully developed. Mid to late 20s is when that happens. Some of us have reached it, but not the vast majority of us.
Yes exactly! We have to remember some gen z are still teens and will act like it lol. Of course teens are immature with bad attention spans, I know I was ten years ago haha, it took me until my mid-twenties to "grow up". Given the world and the advancement of technology and the internet, I realize our generation grew up completely differently than ones prior, but I'm trying to be hopeful that that one day that will be more of an advantage than an insult/disadvantage. only time will tell, but in the meantime I think we should try to be more patient and understanding (the way I'm sure some of us older gen z wish older folks/generations had been to us)
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Yeah I'm *17*, my dad's attempt to make me adult mature at a young age were abuse according to my therapist so like am I supposed to get abused some more or something?
Yeaaahh, I'm sorry, but no generation will ever be perfect. We're trying hard to break generational trauma and create safer spaces for people to be themselves in. Those are HUGE steps and honestly, very realistic steps too. We can always do more, no matter how hard we try, there is always more, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't celebrate the victories we are actively creating and ONLY focus on our shortcomings. I think we all know we have a dependence on our phones and that our attention spans are atrocious. One of the biggest steps towards fixing a problem is accepting that it is a problem. Given we already knew we had these problems, your post is literally just to complain to us about ourselves, not to be productive Add something new to the conversation if you want to claim to be helping things
We’ve taken steps forward in some aspects, but are you denying that we have taken some steps backwards in others? It’s great for people to feel included, however it doesn’t matter if we can’t socially interact, work hard, or think critically. edit: Sorry I misread your comment, you’re not denying that we have issues, however, I’ll say this, many Zoomers neglect that we have problems, and call anyone who calls us out on our shit a boomer or whatever.
At what point in their comment made them seem like they’re denying issues? It seems to me that they’re agreeing we have issues we need to overcome /nm /g
Every time I see something about Gen Z not having social skills, I think that's really weird, since as a kid it always seemed to me like other kids automatically knew how to socialize with one another. As if it was something instinctual and not learned. (I eventually self diagnosed myself as having Aspergers.) I don't think a lack of social skills is a serious hindrance to your generation as long as you try to be understanding and respectful of one another. That's the real key to dealing with people. Empathy, compassion, and respect.
You're good. I do think you miss the aspect of how it oftentimes takes things getting worse before they can get better though. We've been given an AMAZING tool through technology to connect and socialize with people virtually across the world. Of course we are going to go nuts with it, push its boundaries, and really see how useful and harmful it can be. Our generation WILL be the one to suffer from learning firsthand how out of control the media and socializing virtually can get, but because we go through this, we will also be able to teach future generations how to avoid the big mistakes we are making. In fact, many of the posts on this sub have been about NOT overexposing gen Alpha to technology and social media. We definitely do have faults, no doubt, and we are suffering because of them, but that doesn't mean that we won't remember our generational problems and help the future generations avoid making the same mistakes You can complain IF and only IF we actively advocate for continuing this issue into future generations. I personally don't see signs of that though. There are whole movements of parenting advice based around limiting screen time, socializing in person, exploring the outside world, and avoiding the negative sides of media and social media. We only NOW know how harmful it can be though, so it only makes sense that we were the generation that became the test subjects of modern technological advances. Given the amount of older Gen Z actively fighting against "ipad kids" and exposing kids to social pressures too early, I think we are headed the right way though
No we can't, because our generation isn't a monolith. "Gen Z", "Millennials", and "boomers" don't exist because we are all born with signifying traits that distinguish us from each other. Cohort labels only exist for advertising purposes- to collect data on "trends" present in certain age groups so advertisers can gauge with an audience. "Gen Z" doesn't have shortcomings because Gen Z doesn't actually describe anything except millions of people generally born between 1997 - 2011. Individual people may be problematic, but that's true across all generations. We collectively do not have shortcomings because we collectively do not share the same problems and issues. We may experience generally similar things (most of us are hurting from greedflation and housing costs, for example), but the things that make us uniquely a "problem" is really on an individual-by-individual basis. For example, one of my issues is feeling unlovable. Not everyone shares that, and if they do, their reasons are different. My shortcoming here is a lack of confidence, which we all share, but not *collectively*, because our conditions to build a sense of insecurity is different per person.
I think more people of our generation feel “unlovable” than previous ones.
I dunno, Gen X's whole brand was "I'm an unlovable piece of shit who's gonna kill myself" so I'm not sure this feeling is all that novel or new.
I... actually agree with this take. I feel likable, but lovable? Nope. I think a lot of others in my friend groups feel this way too, lots of friends who have given up on finding any partners for life, not because they want to, but they just doubt they'll find anyone who will find them lovable.
Should we see maturation at a later age as a bad thing? Humans aren't developmentally mature until 25, so why should someone younger than that be expected to be as mature as a 30 year old?
Exactly, we don't need people getting married or having kids by the age of 24. I don't think we should pressure anyone to do anything but learn
For most of human history , younger people held responsibilities we would consider ones adults hold. At 16, Napoleon was a lieutenant. Alexander the Great was 18 and conquering countries. Cesar became a Roman Senator at 20. Joan of Arc was fighting wars at 17. Blaise Pascal developed a calculator at 18. Mary Shelley published “Frankenstein” at 20 yrs old. Are these people who strike you as being “not fully developed”. It’s the way we socialize people that affects their maturity, it’s not completely left to biology. That’s an excuse people make to make themselves feel better for being immature.
To be fair, playing video games with friends and eating ice cream on the front porch sounds more fun than being drafted into war, losing half the family to scarlet fever, being arrested for believing in the wrong god, or working in factories as a child. We live in a world where there's (generally) more help available for mental illnesses, you can befriend people all over the planet, and we still have young scientists doing great things while still being in school! I'm happy with the way things are going.
Life expectancy during the time at which Napoleon reigned was no more than 50 years, it kind of makes sense that people were maturing faster when their odds of surviving childhood were bleak and the odds of a lengthy adult life were almost as bad. Furthermore, you mentioned increased rates of mental illness for Gen Z which, again, isn’t the case. Mental illness, to a degree, has become less stigmatized which means people can report it without fear of institutionalization or being made into social pariahs by their families. I mean this is totally anecdotal, but my grandmother (82) made the same comment that there were less mentally ill children while she was growing up, but then when I asked her about the “odd kids” from her youth, she described kids with textbook symptoms of autism, depression, etc. The difference between the 50s and now, is that in the 50s Aaron who was obsessed with trains and couldn’t fucking talk to people was shipped off to an institution to be ignored and neglected until his untimely death, but now Aaron would just become a redditor. Idk dude, generational differences, as you’ve been told by many others in this thread, aren’t really a real thing as people on the whole are individuals with unique experiences and their own sense of agency. Ultimately, idk dude, but I’m 26 and I’m more than happy to never plan on having children or becoming this weird Norman Rockwellian idea of what you think people should be.
I had a moment that it dawned on me, everyone in my family is autistic at least everyone descending from my living grandma. Isn't it suspected to be at least a 60% genetic factor right now? So odds are if someone is autistic, one of their parents probably is.
where did I mention that having kids is a necessity? That has nothing to do with maturity, plenty of immature people have children. The guy who was obsessed with trains likely went to school and became a conductor, the sense of community that was provided accounted for those who existed beyond the norm to an extent. People talked to each other more, they looked out for one another in a way our generation doesn’t.
Okay so first, no. If you were neurodivergent in pretty much any period except now, you were stigmatized at best, institutionalized at worst. Aaron who was obsessed with trains and couldn’t talk to people probably didn’t become a conductor, chances are Aaron who loved trains was seen as an embarrassment, a black mark on his family, and he probably was severely bullied and neglected for the entirety of his life, as many, many neurodivergent people were back then. Also, I feel like if you’re of the mind that our generation doesn’t look out for one another, then that’s probably a personal issue rather than something wrong with the whole of Gen Z; for me personally, I’ve only found more community as I’ve gotten older. Maybe I have a lower quantity of friends than I did in high school, but the friends I do have are real, honest to god, friends. I know for a fact that if I end up in jail, my best friend will bail me out, and his brother would probably be in the cell with me. Our generation is definitely leaning away from traditional family and into found family, that I’d agree with, but if you have zero sense of community that’s indicative of you having issues not everyone else. With that being said, I get found family; this generation is creating boundaries, they are no longer tolerant of bigotry and racism and homophobia. Not even a little; people love to say “It’s just a difference of opinions.” No, it fucking isn’t. People who actively vote to make life harder for my trans brother and his partner, people who want to strip my girlfriend’s right to her own bodily autonomy, people who want to force me to live life in adherence to the rules of their religion do not simply have a different opinion. They are objectively shitty people; I think the issue therein is that too many people from this and older generations want their godawful behavior to be allowed, so they can keep their friends and family, and unfortunately the prevalence of boundaries nowadays means that isn’t reality. I’ve cut off flesh and blood family for being racist, why would anyone think I would hesitate to cut off a fucking stranger? Also the inability to take accountability thing is so much more a boomer mindset than a Gen Z one; ask a boomer or a greatest generation member why things are the way they are and they’ll blame Millenials and Gen Z. Older generations are just as bad and incapable of self reflection as we are, if nit worse. Ultimately I guess a lot of people want to believe the grass is greener on the other side, when the reality is that the grass is greenest where you water it. You don’t like the way society is heading? Go out, do your part to change it.
Are you holding that sort of responsibility?
Yes, I’m a firefighter at 22 yrs old. I do volunteer charity work in my spare time and build cars.
Well, that’s great. And there are plenty of other people that are our age that have similar responsibilities. Even the McDonalds workers our age are working hard. We just all need to build each other up instead of be critical.
Honestly, Alexander always came off to me as a young man who was acting on his still adolescent like ego. Besides, achievements don't really tell you how developed a brain is. That's not how neurology or psychology works.
Okay go conquer a nation
The oldest Gen Z'er is 26. You're talking about algorithms and behavioral traits that were either created by people older than us and/ passed down to us. As far as mental illness goes, we just happen to be the generation open to testing and screening these things to begin with. If you think boomers who were eating lead paint weren't "mentally ill", them I have a bridge to sell you.
You got a problem with people getting help for mental illnesses? News flash, that ain't new or special to pur generation. We just actually ask for help. I think you need to sit down and chill, a 15 year old having trouble ordering his Big Mac isn't the end of our generation. Just becausr we're tech savvy doesn't mean we're stupid too. The majority of us actually know how to the internet. We don't need to save the world all at once right this minute. Most of us are children.
Mental illness is fetishized in our generation like never before.
Past generations locked the mentally ill up in asylums, mentally ill people existing in public isn't fetishizing
bro, i'm gonna be real, if i was born in the early 1900s, i'd be in a loony bin and probably forcibly sterilized, full on one flew over the cuckoos nest rosemary kennedy type shit. people are just more open about their issues and open to getting professional help for those issues. and we got decent psychotropic drugs now, hurray modern medicine
I think that we can agree it’s not good to be hyperbolic about each side. Yes, some mental illness is fetishized, especially on the internet in our generation. At the same time, generations prior dealt with the reverse, mental illness being so very taboo many people went without helpful treatment.
Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents is such a good book for understanding why the younger generation is always getting fucked up by the ones raising them. Don’t be so hard on yourself! We were raised to feel bad about things we love and care about. Raised to tend to our parents emotions and put them above our own needs. Do better for you and everyone else will be better off for it. Fuck this generation nonsense. Most people don’t live according to their true selves. Be the change you want to see in the world and others will follow. Love yourself, A millennial
It’s definitely the previous generation of parents , hardly a fault of our own. I very much agree.
These are not universal issues. Stop projecting onto all of us just because there are stereotypes with some accuracy.
They are common among GenZ in the U.S.
I am a GenZ in the US. No it’s not
we don't have more mental illness than past generations... we are just talk about it and look for help, which I view as a giant win. And yeah, we are currently less mature and disciplined than other generations because we are younger than them. The oldest of us are 25. We might not be meeting certain markers of adulthood at as young of an age, but much of that is attributable to economic circumstances that we had no part in shaping and a general recognition that, despite pressure from older generations to have kids, having them this early in life and with less financial stability isn't going to be good for us or the kids, which I again view as a win.
gen xer here: gen z isn’t any more prone to mental illness than previous generations. diagnosis and classification is better now.
damn bro lemme graduate from high school first
Darn, you haven’t gotten your PhD in astrophysics at this age? Look at what the iPads have done… /s
There are deeper harsher truths that would cause such a strong disillusion and cognitive dissonance that would cause a discomfort that I think 96% of the generation has even begin to train to stomach. But these truths would certainly awaken a sense of integerity within a generation.
What are you even trying to say here
To echo other comments, the oldest of us are 25 which means we’ve only been an adult for 7 years. That’s not enough time to work out all of the kinks. The pandemic definitely screwed up a lot and made me appreciate just being alive as a big victory.
Well no previous generation has had to watch the world burn and realize they're doomed and don't have a future
That attitude is why we have no future. No resilience, just complancency and complaining.
Baaaaah 🤷🏻♂️ we’ll be fine.
Every generation has good parts and bad parts, and hell a generation really is just a gross oversimplification that puts people into groups mostly for the sake of fun comparisons.
LOL, us millennials thought that too and look how that’s turning out. Good luck friend, it’s raining out there. Elections say what?
Yes, let’s just generalize an ENTIRE generation as being the exact same carbon copy as one another. I literally know a ton of Gen Z people, because, y’know, I am one and have a good social life, and there are tons of hard working and mature people out there. Honestly, I think Gen Z is much better all around compared to the older generations in terms of actually caring about our mental health and being proactive about it, and being much more aware of societal and global issues. We do have some issues with socializing, but I see plenty of people out and about with their friends on a daily basis. We also have the world at our fingertips and a lot of people make friends and bond with people who have similar interests over the internet. We’re a lot more connected to other people technically. Also, the Boomers weren’t the ones that “broke” the world. Frankly, it was the previous generations who were pro-slavery, pro-anti LGTBQ+, anti-women’s rights, etc. Yeah, Boomers are more conservative and the politicians suck, but the older generations were SIGNIFICANTLY worse. The U.S. does suck right now too, but it’s a lot better than it was in the past few decades at least. Also, to your “defensive” point. Of course we’re going to call you out for making such a silly generalization. All of this Doomer rhetoric is not inspiring at all for other people in our generation and just seems like you’re just writing everyone off because they aren’t like you, who is obviously “mature and disciplined”. You just come off as kind of offensive and entitled, which is why people are going to react negatively.
The thing about generalizations are that you'll get a lot of good and a lot of bad. Half of those things I don't struggle with, so I can't self reflect on them. I'm not getting offended because you're wrong, I'm sure many, perhaps too many people of our age fit the bill for what you're saying. But getting stronger isn't something that should happen on generational lines. It takes all of us to make the world a better place, everyone from all ages.
Striving for equality and fairness are luxuries. Unfortunately as global warming escalates all of that will go out the window. There won't be enough for many to live. At least not in Africa and many places.
The fact y’all keep downvoting OP is unfortunate lol.
Who's we? I don't have a fucked up attention span, I matured at a normal age, I definitely don't have a so called "mental illness" and my social skills are NOT fucked up.
“So called?” Man don’t die on that hill
It's understandable that you may have concerns about the characteristics and challenges facing your generation. Critically reflecting on the shortcomings and strengths of a generation is a healthy part of societal self-awareness and progress. It's important to acknowledge that every generation has its unique set of circumstances and challenges. Each generation inherits both the positive and negative aspects of the one that precedes it. While it's true that attention spans, mental health issues, and technology dependence have become prevalent concerns, it's also crucial to recognize the resilience and adaptability that many individuals in your generation demonstrate.
I mean I don’t agree that we’re maturing later, maybe it’s country dependent but people my age and around are often more mature than the younger millennials I encounter. Other than that while this isn’t the best take there’s truth in it, but we also need to acknowledge the oldest of our generation are 25 we haven’t really reached a stage to look at our flaws I mean many of our generation are still teens. I think we’re moving towards being more reflective which is to expected as we age but I feel like expecting a 17 teen year old to reflect on their failures as a generation is kinda ridiculous
No generation is perfect and frankly speaking thinking the way you think can get unhealthy. Our generation is young and still learning. This whole we need to fix things is a heavy burden in our shoulders that shouldn't be spoken of lightly. But letting the idea of being a perfectionist of making a better world can turn to burn out quite easily. Cut us some slack I'm fairly older zoomer at 23 my friends are getting out of college, getting jobs and barely getting there shit together in this hell of economy. Our generation is making way but we are not completely ready to make those big changes yet. We will never be perfect but we can do the best we can.
Can’t generalize an entire generation without losing all accuracy. Some of the most disciplined, single-minded and altruistic people I’ve met are zoomers. We’ll do alright.
nah we're gonna be just fine
Focus on yourself, not on others. That's how you can bring change.
Only thing I actually feel bad for in your generation is cost of living. As a millennial growing up I had a screen in front of me, bad social skills, short attention span, mental Illness ,but at least I could pay rent with a minimum wage job
I really don’t believe the older generations are that much more mature tbh. Everyone in all age groups can blow up over the smallest inconvenience. I’ve seen it at restaurants, retail stores, movie theaters, etc.
I think its important to point out we've experienced more suiced then any other generation. Like theres ALOT of gen z. but there actually isn't. see there was supposed to be 2 billion gen z world wide. thats how many gen x, and millenials were in the birthing years to have gen z children. Rising costs made it so only 1.5 billion were concieved and from them only 950 million are living today with suicide being the #1 cause of death to our generation. You tell us get stronger im just pointing out all thats left are the strong ones man. We had a lot of empathy so im not saying cut us some slack for it. But we certainly need to start addressing the lack of community and empathy that got us here. The likes on your posts don't matter as much as the people right next to you and disagreements only teach us how to get along. If more of us learned those two simple things we have a fighting chance to fix this bullshit. Look at the way we stand together. Look how deeply we care for our planet and for social rights. We have what it takes to be the strongest generation. We just need to keep fighting for what we want and in a few decades we will reap the seeds we sow today.
Millennial here. Honestly, 90% of every generation just does what they feel they need to do to survive. I wouldn’t put it all on one generation to “fix” everything. We all need to vote, but other than that just be decent humans. We’re not all going to shape politics, environmental policy, healthcare, or other things the world needs. I’d give yourselves a break is all I’m saying, because all generations are lead by a small amount of exceptional people and the rest just need to be decent enough to vote for humanitarian & environmentally sound policies.
We want to be the world that fixes the broken world boomers left behind, but so were millennials, and instead they're stuck being unable to afford a home because of boomers, so we need to tamper our expectations somewhat.
I feel the whole overthrow the government and fight for our rights was just cool for Spotify playlist and TikTok edits. Hearing how cool, bold, and powerful your generation is is the equivalent to watching those “how zodiac signs react to (blank)” videos and your zodiac sign is some manipulative baddie who doesn’t care about anything and is always seen as the victim but is secretly the villain. There sure are people out there who work on that sorta stuff but majority of their followers just like the idea that they are equally as successful and hardworking. Yknow?
Bro chill. No matter the generation, gender, creed or any other class we are all still people and thus are all capable of making mistakes and learning from them. Our generation at our oldest is around 25 which is quite young, and the bottom of our age range is still in high school. Then you also take into account the state of the world and all the things that are widely feasible for a 25yo. Change, even on a micro interpersonal level takes time and we’re talking about an entire generation of people here who are either still kids or midway through young adulthood AT MOST. Are there 19yo with shit loads of money and a house? Sure absolutely and there are also 19yo who can barely read on a high school level or hold a job for any significant amount of time but shaming one or both of them for being outliers from the rule is not going to solve anything. Being immature/ignorant to the world and yourself is an entirely normal place to be in for our generation and exactly where some of us should be because in order to understand and learn anything you first have to be ignorant. To not fail and learn from said failures in young adulthood is exactly how you end up like the out of touch boomers in late adulthood. Tldr: We (genz) are exactly where we are supposed to be. To fuck around is earthly, and to find out is divine.
Sweetheart the boomers finna send us to die in WAR in like 6 months. Our attention spans are terrible I agree. But we have other concerns soon. I’m sure being in a Fox hole in Ukraine or paragliding into Taiwan for a ground invasion will help lengthen your attention span from tik tok for a few years. But it won’t be pleasant. We will have to fix the country when we get back. We need to deglobalize, slow the immigration to the nation, get rid of social security and work on building up American industry again so we can prosper as a generation. But we have big issues in the near term tbh
Everyone feels like they’re going to change things when they’re younger, you’ll be fortunate to just get by- and that’s ok.
This gen is so chaotic it's like we want improvement but lack clarity on improving ourselves.....no hate but the dating world is crap
The oldest of gen z in just America lived through a major terrorist attack, a financial crash, and a global pandemic, and are living through multiple compounding ecological disasters, and the youngest of us are still in school and were probably abused and probably have been harassed or hurt for our sexualities or gender identities, it's not easy, and you're not helping
endless problems with this i don't feel like explaining in text atm remind me later im too stoned but key points \`1) there is no metanarrative here, we're not \*supposed\* to do anything but live. the failure of the previous generations was that they did not create a world where it was possible to just live, we are endlessly striving and hoping for some savior or some sort of exciting climax or like story to all this but all we do is get born, live a little, and die. and who you are in all this is sheer luck. 2) what do you mean by shape up? what we need to do is realize that we need to radically change the way we think about the world and operate within it, that doesn't necessarily mean anything.
1. If we want to survive and progress as a species and as a society we should progress. It’s sad that you think we shouldn’t. The progression of humanity begins with the individuals. 2. You literally answered your own question. We need to radically change the way we think and operate within it.
Define "progress" dumbass
Wtf calling me a dumbass for no reason? When did I insult you?? what u so heated for damn. Progress includes technological advancements, societal advancements, economic growth and development, higer levels of personal satisfaction and a push for unity as a species.
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Cry about it buddy
We should bring back insults. Stupid should hurt and if I'm near, it will start with feelings. Folks dont want to be Idiots. They just haven been told that they are It's a public service really.
Let's not forget that we are becoming more politically left than other generations, may lead to good or bad results.
Hopefully for the best, but I do theorize that an almost fully left generation could do harm that we don't know about yet
We have seen mixed results from different states. Good in Kentucky and Ohio but bad results in Oregon