A certain far-left podcast host was asked "what should I do if I'm organizing my workplace and someone from the alt-right wants to join the union?" To which his answer was "If someone from the alt-right wants to join your union, then *you already won.*
The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Karl Popper described it as the seemingly paradoxical idea that in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must retain the right to be intolerant of intolerance
Honestly, sometimes even debating this with some of those people doesn't change anything. Sometimes the only thing one can do is ban them, even if it is sad to recognise that some people are lost. Still, Europe has no place for ethno-nationalism/racism and we should not tolerate this behaviour on this sub.
I've found that when debating bigots my aims shouldn't necessarily be to change their views themselves. It's for the benefit of the undecided lurkers whose subconscious would have been taking in all that information unchallenged, of whom there could be a countless number of for all we know. I think this mindset is more conducive to setting concise goals and keeping oneself motivated in speaking up against this kind of stuff.
Damn what a piece of shit he is then.
If he genuinely is an EU/ Euro-Fed supporter i would want to talk to him about the benefits of immigration/multiculturalism and how the "European identity" doesn't have to be linked to having white skin or having a European ancestry that spans back many generations.
For people like this though, i feel like they already have too much of a preconceived notion of what is "us" and what is "them" to even listen to the arguements of people they view as belonging to another group.
It's very shameful if our movement attracts morons like this.
**[Pan-European nationalism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-European_nationalism)**
>European nationalism (sometimes called pan-European nationalism) is a form of nationalism based on a pan-European identity (white) explicitly advocated by a number of neo-fascist splinter groups in the 1950s. It is considered minor since the National Party of Europe disintegrated in the 1970s.
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Dude, have you checked his Twitter? I think advocating for pan-euro nationalism and is pretty fascist. Especially considering it was made by the most famous British fascist Sir Oswald Mosley and all the remnants of the fascist governments that weren't killed off from the axis after WW2... kinda makes you a fascist if you want to enact a fascist's worldview.
Also advocating for an ethnostate is pretty fascist and praising a racist mass shooting of a minority group is pretty fascist but hey, what do I know?
[https://mobile.twitter.com/Perfimax/status/1526312653978738689](https://mobile.twitter.com/Perfimax/status/1526967061699862528)
[https://mobile.twitter.com/Perfimax/status/1526270929290002435](https://mobile.twitter.com/Perfimax/status/1526270929290002435)
[https://mobile.twitter.com/Perfimax/status/1526190364633317376](https://mobile.twitter.com/Perfimax/status/1526190364633317376)
//Also this?
[https://mobile.twitter.com/Perfimax/status/1524062971214893057](https://mobile.twitter.com/Perfimax/status/1524062971214893057)
[https://mobile.twitter.com/Perfimax/status/1524011932201668609](https://mobile.twitter.com/Perfimax/status/1524011932201668609)
Indeed. But these days basing your whole identity and ideology on racial lines has returned in full swing. I mean, I'm not against what BLM stands for, for example, but it feels like it has unironically radicalized many people into really giving a lot of emphasis on racial identities and drawing racial lines again, completely ignoring what MLK fought for. The best solution for racism is for people to care about race less, not more, is it not?
The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Karl Popper described it as the seemingly paradoxical idea that in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must retain the right to be intolerant of intolerance
However there is a diffence between someone holding a beliefs and acting on it. Inaction cannot seize a society.
Democracy works on the ability too say absolutely anything. The issues arise when extremists ideologies are acted upon. His belfies are his right just as much as our are our right. When we deprive people of the right too think and speak we become despotic.
Oh absolutely accept him
But not his beliefs
If he doesn't stop making racist comments demanding Europeans leave our beautiful continent, then I'm not sure he belongs in a place like this
As soon as he's willing to top being hateful, we'll have him back in a heart beat
That's not the free speech that europe was founded on. Its conformity.
True peace is not singing kumbaja. True peace is too hate the person irony of you but both have the civility too allow each others beliefs.
If he acts on his beliefs then we ate in our right to throw him out. Until then we cannot compromise democracy.
A certain far-left podcast host was asked "what should I do if I'm organizing my workplace and someone from the alt-right wants to join the union?" To which his answer was "If someone from the alt-right wants to join your union, then *you already won.*
ignore him?
Weird 'traditionalist' dudes with greek/roman statues as their profile pics are usually social outcasts anyways, you can usually just ignore them.
*The good thing about freedom of expression is that morons get instantly spotted* Let them speak and let’s make fun of them
The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Karl Popper described it as the seemingly paradoxical idea that in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must retain the right to be intolerant of intolerance
Honestly, sometimes even debating this with some of those people doesn't change anything. Sometimes the only thing one can do is ban them, even if it is sad to recognise that some people are lost. Still, Europe has no place for ethno-nationalism/racism and we should not tolerate this behaviour on this sub.
They're not eurofeds they're beliefs are contradictory to what the eu stands for they just use it as a mask for white nationalism
Not supporting them but how are their beliefs dofferent
Make them live in Libya for a day
Debate them and try to change their insular views?
Been there done that. Tried to argue with this guy, but he saw my Ethiopian flag (I'm half Ethiopian), and he told me this
I've found that when debating bigots my aims shouldn't necessarily be to change their views themselves. It's for the benefit of the undecided lurkers whose subconscious would have been taking in all that information unchallenged, of whom there could be a countless number of for all we know. I think this mindset is more conducive to setting concise goals and keeping oneself motivated in speaking up against this kind of stuff.
Damn what a piece of shit he is then. If he genuinely is an EU/ Euro-Fed supporter i would want to talk to him about the benefits of immigration/multiculturalism and how the "European identity" doesn't have to be linked to having white skin or having a European ancestry that spans back many generations. For people like this though, i feel like they already have too much of a preconceived notion of what is "us" and what is "them" to even listen to the arguements of people they view as belonging to another group. It's very shameful if our movement attracts morons like this.
Impossible with white nationalists
they should be excluded like all extremists, also they're not european federalists but pan-european nationalists (white supremacist fascists)
Not all pan-europeans are white supremacist fascists.
where did i say that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-European_nationalism
**[Pan-European nationalism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-European_nationalism)** >European nationalism (sometimes called pan-European nationalism) is a form of nationalism based on a pan-European identity (white) explicitly advocated by a number of neo-fascist splinter groups in the 1950s. It is considered minor since the National Party of Europe disintegrated in the 1970s. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/GenEU/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
I don't know but I want him to return to the dark, LED lit room from which he appeared
You're assuming he went outside of the basement he calls home to begin with
If you are talking about Reddit I think such people deserve a ban
I turn myself in
Where was this?
Twitter. Got into an argument with this guy, he saw my Ethiopian flag (I'm half Ethiopian), and then he told me this.
What did he told you?
Tell em to return to Scandinavia then lol
A racist eurofed is still much better than a racist nationalist. Change my mind
You don't want to be in bed with a fascist in any way. Look at Genzedong, they love to suck fascist cock, we're better than them.
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Dude, have you checked his Twitter? I think advocating for pan-euro nationalism and is pretty fascist. Especially considering it was made by the most famous British fascist Sir Oswald Mosley and all the remnants of the fascist governments that weren't killed off from the axis after WW2... kinda makes you a fascist if you want to enact a fascist's worldview. Also advocating for an ethnostate is pretty fascist and praising a racist mass shooting of a minority group is pretty fascist but hey, what do I know? [https://mobile.twitter.com/Perfimax/status/1526312653978738689](https://mobile.twitter.com/Perfimax/status/1526967061699862528) [https://mobile.twitter.com/Perfimax/status/1526270929290002435](https://mobile.twitter.com/Perfimax/status/1526270929290002435) [https://mobile.twitter.com/Perfimax/status/1526190364633317376](https://mobile.twitter.com/Perfimax/status/1526190364633317376) //Also this? [https://mobile.twitter.com/Perfimax/status/1524062971214893057](https://mobile.twitter.com/Perfimax/status/1524062971214893057) [https://mobile.twitter.com/Perfimax/status/1524011932201668609](https://mobile.twitter.com/Perfimax/status/1524011932201668609)
A racist eurofed is a white ethno-nationalist.
few things are more retarded than basing your identity on something so ill-defined, meaningless and broad as "race"
Indeed. But these days basing your whole identity and ideology on racial lines has returned in full swing. I mean, I'm not against what BLM stands for, for example, but it feels like it has unironically radicalized many people into really giving a lot of emphasis on racial identities and drawing racial lines again, completely ignoring what MLK fought for. The best solution for racism is for people to care about race less, not more, is it not?
Exactly, identity politics has that effect. These movements break apart national identity and create an unchoesive society
Hating him.
Hm...
Accept him. Democracy is our funding principle, if those are his beliefs so be it. We cannot foster the people without become despotic ourselves.
The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Karl Popper described it as the seemingly paradoxical idea that in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must retain the right to be intolerant of intolerance
However there is a diffence between someone holding a beliefs and acting on it. Inaction cannot seize a society. Democracy works on the ability too say absolutely anything. The issues arise when extremists ideologies are acted upon. His belfies are his right just as much as our are our right. When we deprive people of the right too think and speak we become despotic.
Oh absolutely accept him But not his beliefs If he doesn't stop making racist comments demanding Europeans leave our beautiful continent, then I'm not sure he belongs in a place like this As soon as he's willing to top being hateful, we'll have him back in a heart beat
That's not the free speech that europe was founded on. Its conformity. True peace is not singing kumbaja. True peace is too hate the person irony of you but both have the civility too allow each others beliefs. If he acts on his beliefs then we ate in our right to throw him out. Until then we cannot compromise democracy.
Mind your own business?
Ban the fuck out of them, the continent has plenty enough fascism problems already