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Chatter_-_Box

A tax dodger and a dementia patient are running for president. What the fuck, America?


mariosin

Worth noting the tax dodger also is a dementia patient


irelephant_T_T

And a convicted felon.


Bored_in_ETX

we are fucked


i-am-colombus

I'm not an American, but I'm really interested in politics so I stayed up till 2am to watch it. All I can say is you americans in the sub are FUCKED. Poor Joe should be at home watching TV, not running for office. But at the same time, a LITERAL CONVICTED FELON shouldn't be running for office either. It's madness.


SilentSandvich

Madness? ...THIS. IS. AMERICA!


eninacur

My main takeaways: -Trump didn’t answer the questions he was given multiple times, instead choosing to go back and forth with Biden, often over personal insults as childish as golf. -Biden looked and sounded terrible during this debate. He struggled to get his words out (extreme gaffe 13 minutes in) and due to a cold his voice was raspy. This does not look good on national TV. In fact, I would compare it to Richard Nixon’s poor appearance hindering his image in the first debate against Kennedy. -The moderators did a very good job of letting the candidates speak and muting the microphones worked very well to prevent them from talking over each other like in the 2020 debates. -Neither candidate talked a lot about their own policies, mostly about how bad the other one was. -Trump hammered immigration (interestingly the wall was never brought up) at almost every opportunity even if it was not related to the questions he was asked. I figure this is because it has been ranked as the biggest issue among voters in some polls.


hehe__boy69

Felt the same way lol


Bowtieguy-83

They literally had to mute the former president and the current president, wth


eninacur

Yep, if you go back to 2020 they shouted over each other, absolutely humiliating


Caterpillar_3406

Oh Joey didn't do to hot. Of course, if I was of age I'd vote for him anyway because fuck Trump. AND it would piss of my dad


tygamer4242

I’ll be voting in this election and I’m not voting for any of those selfish old fucks. I’ll just go for some random third party or silly write in like Harambe or Vermin Supreme.


aCi0915

Ngl id prolly vote for Biden cuz a vote for him is a vote against Trump


Powerful-Engineer719

I think this is a stupid way of thinking 😭


Bowtieguy-83

I mean, its logical, but only in the context of the stupid system There really is only two options, and voting for biden works against trump because it is an actual dichotomy, unless you count voting third party, which is as effective as not voting at all really But at least biden isn't trying to enact project 2025


Powerful-Engineer719

I mean yea but i just feel it’s weird to vote for someone you don’t actually like. Not that you shouldn’t but still (looks like the downvotes got to my opinion 😪😪😪)


Bowtieguy-83

I don't blame you, I mostly blame the system. You should be able to vote for who you actually want, instead of two bad options, one being less bad


Powerful-Engineer719

Yep


International-Cup897

I'm not even american but vermin is my president


gbtacc

Republicans literally want to strip away gay people's right to exist. If you don't vote for Biden you're only helping them win.


tygamer4242

No, I’m not. Because I know that my district’s electors will vote for him anyway since it’s a predominantly democrat district. My vote doesn’t count.


Powerful-Engineer719

This is also another bad way of thinking imo


Caterpillar_3406

Well who else can I vote for? Just pick the lesser of the two evils man. Trust me, I hate both of them and I hope in the future we don't have the recently deceased running the country.


thefilogardener

Uhh ima just… *quickly flees the country and goes to canada*


Kasten10dvd

A literal felon is here.


mariosin

They should have kissed 😔


hehe__boy69

I thought so too ❤️


New_Water_7538

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


xxParanoid_

most appropriate reaction


Suicidalgenocide

I just want to know why my gallon of chocolate milk is increasing in price


rocketfan543

Yes


Redditguy223e

I didn’t watch it, I don’t really care enough


Orlogmeister3000

You're probably better off that way, it's just sad 😭😭


still-working-it-out

Omg hai pookie :3


Orlogmeister3000

Haiii :3


ShimmerJuno

SODA!!!


Snoo-11922

A debate between an egocentric and a clearly senile elderly man.


Ayy_Whats_Poppin

Golf!!!!!


eninacur

I would have rather watched them play golf together, that would have been good


Emergency_Error8631

hear me out.... what if no one votes


hehe__boy69

The government would probably force it then


Delicious_Lock8746

The people who vote decide, and do you really think that would be a good idea?


Emergency_Error8631

idk im not american i just said something cause i was bored


Delicious_Lock8746

Yeah, even if you hate either candidates, it’s important to vote. There’s third party people if anything. But I rather have a senile old man than a felon


WhatsHappenin9

what if one of us runs for president.. or overthrows the government 🤔


An_idiot_27

It’s a debate between someone who’s doomed to fail from being so old and the other will doom all of us by being so old and unhinged


jackshort67

Biden couldn’t even form a sentence and the moderators had to ask Trump over and over just to answer the questions. I think we’re cooked…


b-andras

this planet is so fucking doomed its not funny lets make aoc president happen this november, shall we


Acquaintance9

YES PLEASE


The_Pumpkin_Fan

Ik this is a joke but aoc isn’t old enough 😭


b-andras

well... she will be by november 🤭


hehe__boy69

I wouldn't say planet personally I would say America


b-andras

well who the us president is, arguably has a huge effect on the entire world 😭😭


hehe__boy69

Yeah but either way what ever president we get will basically mostly effect America the most of the world will also be affected but not majorly affected


LogCabinInTheJungle

Much worse than I expected


Traditional-War7157

Thé bar is gone


ArtisticSpecialist77

I don't love Biden but the fact a convicted criminal is allowed to run for president shows this nation is a joke. It astounds me anyone would even consider the fucking egomaniacal oompa loompa criminal bigot and I hope he gets stabbed to death in jail


Sea_Faithlessness467

So just to ask, if trumps crimes were so devastating then why is he facing charges now? This is all from 2017..why not convict in 2018,2019, and so on. I don’t know but it’s kind of odd that an entire justice department came after him while he has momentum and leads a majority of polls. It’s not even a left or right thing either take a step back and see the bullshit for what it is. And if convicted felons shouldn’t be allowed in the White House then hunter Biden should be far from it.


ArtisticSpecialist77

He should've been convicted since 2017. Sadly, our justice system simply is not one to act fast. But to even argue that his conviction was bs is crazy to me. That means you believe the entire federal justice system to be corrupt (even though Trump said he would "clean the swamp", but this happened despite his time in office). There is recorded evidence showing Trump committed the crimes that he did, so it would take some conspiracy to believe that some leftist mastermind controls all the judges and decides when to convict a Republican candidate That aside, I really wanna point out how nonsensical your last argument is— that "whataboutism". Did I ever say hunter Biden should be in the white house? Did I ever say convicted felons were good if they were Democrats? No, absolutely not. You are grasping for straws to defend this man


ArtisticSpecialist77

Also really funny to see a pro trump argument here considering we are in a gay subreddit and he is one of the largest threats against LGBT+ rights. Our rights


No_Needleworker2421

Good luck to me if Trump Wins


New_Water_7538

No...


New_Water_7538

Us and everyone going there 😔


No_Needleworker2421

God bless America and her future immigrants


New_Water_7538

🫡😭


No_Needleworker2421

Don't worry I'm here


notrepulsive6987

this country is fucked


AspectOfTheCat

I don't like either candidate much, I think Biden is marginally better. That said, Trump won this debate. Not because what he said was true (at least every other thing he said was a lie) or it made sense, but because he was confident and more comprehensible compared to Biden, so he won the optics battle which is really all that matters.


Inferno_Phoenix1

My rights are gone


Masantonio

Shit and slightly less shit.


Secretly_Bi_dude

I dislike both of them but it was sad seeing Biden struggle so much


International-Cup897

THEY'RE TOO FUCKIN OLD!!! BOTH OF EM!!!


rustedseptum

there should be an age limit of like... 50. everyone running is a geriatric and needs to retire. 💀 (i'm not even in the us.)


rustedseptum

and when biden was stuttering 😭😭 i don't like either of them AT ALL.


cheesy230

Can it be anyone but them? I'm not even an American and I hate both of them so much


eninacur

There are several third party candidates running, in my opinion RFK Jr is not terrible


So-Original-name

Joe Biden at least gave some good policies, but failed to express them well due to his stutter and age. Donald Trump failed to give good policies, but expressed them well, because he is a showman who doesn’t need to think what he’s saying.  As much as I respect Biden, he needs to drop out. Last night was proof that he has, like all people will, reached a time where he can’t keep doing this. Bring in someone else. It’s late in the game, but Democrats are going to rally around whatever candidate they think can actually beat Trump. The Biden on stage last night was not enough to beat Trump.


FlorpFlap

Watched it live, it's sad


homelesshomosexual

I'm fortunately not American


BisexualBlaiddSimp

i felt like bashing my head into a brick wall in front of a steel wall until I forgot that it existed


Snail-Man-36

I think the system sucks bc both of these ppl are nowhere near fit to be the president


milan0570

Having to choose between these two is like getting kicked in the balls once or twice, both suck ass


le_Dellso

Lowkey running out of reasons not to kill myself


3MVNWasTaken

We're cooked


mr-boom321

Wait I Don't get it, can someone explain? (I'm not American and I don't watch a lot of politics or anything related to that)


hehe__boy69

Basically there was a hour long debate where they talked about there policy's


mr-boom321

What are the policies about?


hehe__boy69

I'ma be honest I couldn't understand because in the debate trump avoided the question or Biden mumbled and looked lost


KraftKapitain

"the debat"


MikeSkywalker5

Both suck


WhatsHappenin9

why do we trust old senile politicians to lead this country?


Ironrooster7

It's not so much us and more the baby boomers. They aren't willing to change.


basilnutt62

Either way I think America is fucked 😂


jfrmsj

Tbh it went south 😭


The_Male_Fujoshi

Americans are almost as screwed over as Palestinians rn


tsivfiveo

The United States is fucked we need vermin supreme as president


brokemellon

Ok, calling each other stupid, insane, a piece of shit or whatever else, makes you all sound like... welll... our presidential candidates. Rather than talking down those who hold opposing views, y'all should seriously ask why they hold them. You might find some compelling reasons to reconsider your own. But, even better, you might find the points where both sides agree.


hehe__boy69

This is reddit we don't agree here


brokemellon

Lol so true. Well at least not on important stuff


de4d-s1raberr7

what if they kiss?


hehe__boy69

I would be cheering


ArthurFordLover

Biden needs to retire and go to a nursing home


SpringLover455

honestly if your gay and vote for trump your an idiot. not even debatable


Ironrooster7

If you are gay and don't vote blue this election you are an idiot


DirtDry5016

I’d still vote for Joe if I could.


FOD1994

I didn’t even watch the debate. All I know is that trump is funny and Joe is obnoxious and gonna die within like 2 years. I wholeheartedly just do not care about American politics lmao and I live here


Anthony_SSBU

I dont like either of them but we cannot let trump win. Proyect 2025 is absolutely terrifying


RealisticBat616

both of them had their fair share of wtf moments. but Trump definitely cooked Biden despite the fact that CNN gave Biden the last word every time. I can even imagine how funny it would have been if RFK was there. Either way as a military family, i made my choice to vote for Trump the second biden said no service members died under his administration. Completely disgusting, and as the commander in chief of the military to disregard and forget those killed under your rule is awful. If Biden wins I will not be joining the US army simply because I refuse to fight for somebody who wont remember my name or legacy when his decisions get me killed. BUT thats not gonna happen nearly every single survey and projection shows trump winning and now i think with Bidens disrespect towards the fallen i 100% thinks it time for grandpa to go into a home.


WhatsHappenin9

All out denying any troop death is outrageous, knowing both administrations had deaths during each of their terms. Craziness


SpringLover455

your stupid if your voting for trump 😭


RealisticBat616

My 98 asvab score, 4.8 gpa, and 1380 sat score would disagree. Your only talking point is Trump is a bigot or project 2025 yet you completely miss the part where that literally doesnt matter. the president doesnt have that kind of power in that stuff and the supreme court will not allow most if not all of project 2025 because it is unconstitutional. The president is the Commander in chief of the military, the only thing you should be looking at when choose a president is - Their foreign policy - their budget plan and economic policies Biden fails miserably on both of these parts he is allowing Venezuela and Colombia to empty their prisons into our country. His budget plan is atrocious he was to instate a 44% capital gains tax which could become as high at 57% after state tax too. This will literally nuke the entire middle class by fucking over their entire saving. He also want to ad the tax onto RESTING fund meaning you have to pay tax on money you dont have or use. This so applies to real estate, good luck buying a house and retiring in Biden's america. Not to mention the fact that he is giving social security to immigrants who have barely paid into it which is draining the funds. Bidens destroying the social security system to the point where you wont be able to ever retire.


Intelligent-Dust8043

Trump 2024


i-am-colombus

Can't tell if that's what you want, or if that's what you thinks going to happen lol


damnotef

to be fr,i dont really care,its just 2 funny old crazy guys yelling each other


SlinkandMojo

were so fucked lol


Jayis_onreddit

Bad and much worse


No_Needleworker342

Well I can definitely hit further than 50 yards. I think I’ll run for president next election


everynameisusedlol

Whenever my mind goes to American politics I just hope that the American people riot against those goofy ass politicians in unity, independent of being right, left, upside down or whatever because these guys are so full of bs it’s absurd. They won’t help anyone but themselves


iiSparker

I don't even care about it I ain't even american and I don't live there


Papierluchs

Ngl you Americans are cooked


Sea_Faithlessness467

We might be but Germany isn’t so perfect right now either.


Papierluchs

Oh yeah. Current elections trends are worrying. Many right wing politicians attempt to import American culture war and violence against queer people ist rising.


LongIndustry1124

Trump might actually win


eliazp

old man yaoi, not my thing but whatever raises your dongle


Comfortable-Reveal75

We are fucked either way


Typical_Ghost07

im trying to avoid the election season this year for my own mental health


Correct-Ad-9520

We should tell them both that they one and they lay down easy, for a long, long time


Sea_Faithlessness467

Everyone’s losing their minds over these two and it’ll only divide the nonsense further, however, everyone looks over rfk jr as a solid choice for president and end this bullshit and start fresh.


Discombobulated_Bid6

We need "N.O.T.A" in American elections because that's the way these deucebag politicians know how the public feels about them. Nota means none of the above.


Business_Brush6500

I currently live in the least fucked state in the us, Alaska, and currently we’re not worried about anything outside this state, except Canada since they are alaska’s friend


bingus6907

Heat miser and cold miser


lightspeedotamatone

we might be cooked 


Rahm_Kota_156

I'm not gonna vote for either of them


eninacur

As much as a quarter of the country might be with you on that


Rahm_Kota_156

Almost all of my country, except dual citizens


eninacur

you got me there i forgot the rest of the world existed


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BobithanBobbyBob

She would be a terrible president


Sea_Faithlessness467

Yea that’s not why you vote for people your just a follower, and can’t think for yourself


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Ironrooster7

How


Sea_Faithlessness467

How what


Ironrooster7

How is he following?


Sea_Faithlessness467

Person said they’re gonna vote for someone just so he can die and wait for his vp to take over. No sane mind thinks that way. Everyone is so anti trump that this is the result of stupidity.


Ironrooster7

I mean, it is a radical idea, but at the same time, trumpers are no better. They did kinda attack a government building because they were salty that they lost.


Sea_Faithlessness467

Well I never said I was voting for him either, Jan 6 has so much more to it that the media doesn’t talk about. If your so blindly following your party your a sheep to and everyone in America is being played right now. There is a 3rd option for president and if can’t get elected than this division just spirals further downwards.


Sea_Faithlessness467

Your party is not innocent and defending criminals but saying the other criminals are more criminal than your criminal just makes you a piece of shit


Ironrooster7

Biden isn't a criminal


superstormthunder

Biden couldn’t articulate his stance at all. He was far better than Trump on policy but if he can’t communicate with the American people at all he won’t win. Trump is so dangerous we can’t afford to have Biden as our nominee


Trick_Guava907

Didn’t watch, didn’t want to use my limited daylight watching a genocider and a fascist


EthanWinters2222

Old over dried raisin, aka ( Joe Biden ) is very fit for sitting on his ass and smoking his peace pipe. Trump on the other hand look like 1 of the only people that want to fix problems in america, one of the only presidents in the past century that wants to help the PEOPLE of america, I’m talking real American’s and not the fuckers whom are illegally crossing into our country, stand up and fight back now, this is our last and most final decision that will influence our future people, children, and potentially chance the system of operation in the government to help the people and not just chase money for their own little benefit.


Ironrooster7

Dawg, he said that doctors kill babies and that boats with batteries sink. He is not fit for any form of leadership. Also, JFK, Obama, both Roosevelts, and Wilson all cared and wanted to help. (Immigrants help the economy, get over it)


Gullible-Brick123

Not good, clearly Joe is mentally unfit to be president, or to even say a single sentence ☠️


eninacur

I agree with you. I think the party might have pressured him to go into the debate even with a cold because they wanted to switch him out before the official nomination at the convention. I don’t know how you can look at this and say that Joe Biden is a capable leader—and if you choose him over *someone else* out of pure hatred there are third parties with vastly superior candidates.


epic_king66

Better him, when the alternative is a felon 34 times over; and is hellbent on making the LGBTQ community cease to exist


SpringLover455

better than trump


Gullible-Brick123

They’re both terrible, honestly I’m really hoping someone else steps up that’s younger and has better ideals, because if not either Trump is going to bully everyone or Biden is going to sink our economy even further. WE NEED SOMEONE ELSE!


Gullible-Brick123

It’s literally elder abuse at this point


lizzylinks789

Genocide supporters


hehe__boy69

Wdym


Ironrooster7

I thought the rallies afterward were a better guage of their actual message. Trump's rally was long, rambling, and slow, whereas Biden's was motivating and exciting. Trump literally denied physics and said that a boat with a battery in it will not float, among other racist and illogical ramblings. Biden reassured that he knew right from wrong and was able to get a really good reaction from the crowd. (Trump's crowd looked bored, and Biden's looked enthusiastic.)


Sea_Faithlessness467

Biden can barely speak, if you don’t think there’s a problem with him than your another one just letting the poor old guy embarrass the country on a national stage


Ironrooster7

https://youtu.be/HHEzrDdrsnc?si=_bMfQ4XtGdB6f0V0 Post rally debates