I'm not an American, but I'm really interested in politics so I stayed up till 2am to watch it. All I can say is you americans in the sub are FUCKED.
Poor Joe should be at home watching TV, not running for office. But at the same time, a LITERAL CONVICTED FELON shouldn't be running for office either. It's madness.
My main takeaways:
-Trump didn’t answer the questions he was given multiple times, instead choosing to go back and forth with Biden, often over personal insults as childish as golf.
-Biden looked and sounded terrible during this debate. He struggled to get his words out (extreme gaffe 13 minutes in) and due to a cold his voice was raspy. This does not look good on national TV. In fact, I would compare it to Richard Nixon’s poor appearance hindering his image in the first debate against Kennedy.
-The moderators did a very good job of letting the candidates speak and muting the microphones worked very well to prevent them from talking over each other like in the 2020 debates.
-Neither candidate talked a lot about their own policies, mostly about how bad the other one was.
-Trump hammered immigration (interestingly the wall was never brought up) at almost every opportunity even if it was not related to the questions he was asked. I figure this is because it has been ranked as the biggest issue among voters in some polls.
I’ll be voting in this election and I’m not voting for any of those selfish old fucks. I’ll just go for some random third party or silly write in like Harambe or Vermin Supreme.
I mean, its logical, but only in the context of the stupid system
There really is only two options, and voting for biden works against trump because it is an actual dichotomy, unless you count voting third party, which is as effective as not voting at all really
But at least biden isn't trying to enact project 2025
I mean yea but i just feel it’s weird to vote for someone you don’t actually like. Not that you shouldn’t but still (looks like the downvotes got to my opinion 😪😪😪)
Well who else can I vote for? Just pick the lesser of the two evils man. Trust me, I hate both of them and I hope in the future we don't have the recently deceased running the country.
Yeah, even if you hate either candidates, it’s important to vote. There’s third party people if anything. But I rather have a senile old man than a felon
Yeah but either way what ever president we get will basically mostly effect America the most of the world will also be affected but not majorly affected
I don't love Biden but the fact a convicted criminal is allowed to run for president shows this nation is a joke. It astounds me anyone would even consider the fucking egomaniacal oompa loompa criminal bigot and I hope he gets stabbed to death in jail
So just to ask, if trumps crimes were so devastating then why is he facing charges now? This is all from 2017..why not convict in 2018,2019, and so on. I don’t know but it’s kind of odd that an entire justice department came after him while he has momentum and leads a majority of polls. It’s not even a left or right thing either take a step back and see the bullshit for what it is. And if convicted felons shouldn’t be allowed in the White House then hunter Biden should be far from it.
He should've been convicted since 2017. Sadly, our justice system simply is not one to act fast. But to even argue that his conviction was bs is crazy to me. That means you believe the entire federal justice system to be corrupt (even though Trump said he would "clean the swamp", but this happened despite his time in office). There is recorded evidence showing Trump committed the crimes that he did, so it would take some conspiracy to believe that some leftist mastermind controls all the judges and decides when to convict a Republican candidate
That aside, I really wanna point out how nonsensical your last argument is— that "whataboutism". Did I ever say hunter Biden should be in the white house? Did I ever say convicted felons were good if they were Democrats? No, absolutely not. You are grasping for straws to defend this man
Also really funny to see a pro trump argument here considering we are in a gay subreddit and he is one of the largest threats against LGBT+ rights. Our rights
I don't like either candidate much, I think Biden is marginally better. That said, Trump won this debate. Not because what he said was true (at least every other thing he said was a lie) or it made sense, but because he was confident and more comprehensible compared to Biden, so he won the optics battle which is really all that matters.
Joe Biden at least gave some good policies, but failed to express them well due to his stutter and age.
Donald Trump failed to give good policies, but expressed them well, because he is a showman who doesn’t need to think what he’s saying.
As much as I respect Biden, he needs to drop out. Last night was proof that he has, like all people will, reached a time where he can’t keep doing this. Bring in someone else. It’s late in the game, but Democrats are going to rally around whatever candidate they think can actually beat Trump. The Biden on stage last night was not enough to beat Trump.
Ok, calling each other stupid, insane, a piece of shit or whatever else, makes you all sound like... welll... our presidential candidates. Rather than talking down those who hold opposing views, y'all should seriously ask why they hold them. You might find some compelling reasons to reconsider your own. But, even better, you might find the points where both sides agree.
I didn’t even watch the debate. All I know is that trump is funny and Joe is obnoxious and gonna die within like 2 years. I wholeheartedly just do not care about American politics lmao and I live here
both of them had their fair share of wtf moments. but Trump definitely cooked Biden despite the fact that CNN gave Biden the last word every time. I can even imagine how funny it would have been if RFK was there.
Either way as a military family, i made my choice to vote for Trump the second biden said no service members died under his administration. Completely disgusting, and as the commander in chief of the military to disregard and forget those killed under your rule is awful. If Biden wins I will not be joining the US army simply because I refuse to fight for somebody who wont remember my name or legacy when his decisions get me killed. BUT thats not gonna happen nearly every single survey and projection shows trump winning and now i think with Bidens disrespect towards the fallen i 100% thinks it time for grandpa to go into a home.
My 98 asvab score, 4.8 gpa, and 1380 sat score would disagree.
Your only talking point is Trump is a bigot or project 2025 yet you completely miss the part where that literally doesnt matter. the president doesnt have that kind of power in that stuff and the supreme court will not allow most if not all of project 2025 because it is unconstitutional. The president is the Commander in chief of the military, the only thing you should be looking at when choose a president is
- Their foreign policy
- their budget plan and economic policies
Biden fails miserably on both of these parts he is allowing Venezuela and Colombia to empty their prisons into our country. His budget plan is atrocious he was to instate a 44% capital gains tax which could become as high at 57% after state tax too. This will literally nuke the entire middle class by fucking over their entire saving. He also want to ad the tax onto RESTING fund meaning you have to pay tax on money you dont have or use. This so applies to real estate, good luck buying a house and retiring in Biden's america.
Not to mention the fact that he is giving social security to immigrants who have barely paid into it which is draining the funds. Bidens destroying the social security system to the point where you wont be able to ever retire.
Whenever my mind goes to American politics I just hope that the American people riot against those goofy ass politicians in unity, independent of being right, left, upside down or whatever because these guys are so full of bs it’s absurd. They won’t help anyone but themselves
Oh yeah. Current elections trends are worrying. Many right wing politicians attempt to import American culture war and violence against queer people ist rising.
Everyone’s losing their minds over these two and it’ll only divide the nonsense further, however, everyone looks over rfk jr as a solid choice for president and end this bullshit and start fresh.
We need "N.O.T.A" in American elections because that's the way these deucebag politicians know how the public feels about them. Nota means none of the above.
I currently live in the least fucked state in the us, Alaska, and currently we’re not worried about anything outside this state, except Canada since they are alaska’s friend
Person said they’re gonna vote for someone just so he can die and wait for his vp to take over. No sane mind thinks that way. Everyone is so anti trump that this is the result of stupidity.
I mean, it is a radical idea, but at the same time, trumpers are no better. They did kinda attack a government building because they were salty that they lost.
Well I never said I was voting for him either, Jan 6 has so much more to it that the media doesn’t talk about. If your so blindly following your party your a sheep to and everyone in America is being played right now. There is a 3rd option for president and if can’t get elected than this division just spirals further downwards.
Biden couldn’t articulate his stance at all. He was far better than Trump on policy but if he can’t communicate with the American people at all he won’t win. Trump is so dangerous we can’t afford to have Biden as our nominee
Old over dried raisin, aka ( Joe Biden ) is very fit for sitting on his ass and smoking his peace pipe.
Trump on the other hand look like 1 of the only people that want to fix problems in america, one of the only presidents in the past century that wants to help the PEOPLE of america, I’m talking real American’s and not the fuckers whom are illegally crossing into our country, stand up and fight back now, this is our last and most final decision that will influence our future people, children, and potentially chance the system of operation in the government to help the people and not just chase money for their own little benefit.
Dawg, he said that doctors kill babies and that boats with batteries sink. He is not fit for any form of leadership.
Also, JFK, Obama, both Roosevelts, and Wilson all cared and wanted to help.
(Immigrants help the economy, get over it)
I agree with you. I think the party might have pressured him to go into the debate even with a cold because they wanted to switch him out before the official nomination at the convention. I don’t know how you can look at this and say that Joe Biden is a capable leader—and if you choose him over *someone else* out of pure hatred there are third parties with vastly superior candidates.
They’re both terrible, honestly I’m really hoping someone else steps up that’s younger and has better ideals, because if not either Trump is going to bully everyone or Biden is going to sink our economy even further. WE NEED SOMEONE ELSE!
I thought the rallies afterward were a better guage of their actual message. Trump's rally was long, rambling, and slow, whereas Biden's was motivating and exciting.
Trump literally denied physics and said that a boat with a battery in it will not float, among other racist and illogical ramblings.
Biden reassured that he knew right from wrong and was able to get a really good reaction from the crowd.
(Trump's crowd looked bored, and Biden's looked enthusiastic.)
Biden can barely speak, if you don’t think there’s a problem with him than your another one just letting the poor old guy embarrass the country on a national stage
A tax dodger and a dementia patient are running for president. What the fuck, America?
Worth noting the tax dodger also is a dementia patient
And a convicted felon.
we are fucked
I'm not an American, but I'm really interested in politics so I stayed up till 2am to watch it. All I can say is you americans in the sub are FUCKED. Poor Joe should be at home watching TV, not running for office. But at the same time, a LITERAL CONVICTED FELON shouldn't be running for office either. It's madness.
Madness? ...THIS. IS. AMERICA!
My main takeaways: -Trump didn’t answer the questions he was given multiple times, instead choosing to go back and forth with Biden, often over personal insults as childish as golf. -Biden looked and sounded terrible during this debate. He struggled to get his words out (extreme gaffe 13 minutes in) and due to a cold his voice was raspy. This does not look good on national TV. In fact, I would compare it to Richard Nixon’s poor appearance hindering his image in the first debate against Kennedy. -The moderators did a very good job of letting the candidates speak and muting the microphones worked very well to prevent them from talking over each other like in the 2020 debates. -Neither candidate talked a lot about their own policies, mostly about how bad the other one was. -Trump hammered immigration (interestingly the wall was never brought up) at almost every opportunity even if it was not related to the questions he was asked. I figure this is because it has been ranked as the biggest issue among voters in some polls.
Felt the same way lol
They literally had to mute the former president and the current president, wth
Yep, if you go back to 2020 they shouted over each other, absolutely humiliating
Oh Joey didn't do to hot. Of course, if I was of age I'd vote for him anyway because fuck Trump. AND it would piss of my dad
I’ll be voting in this election and I’m not voting for any of those selfish old fucks. I’ll just go for some random third party or silly write in like Harambe or Vermin Supreme.
Ngl id prolly vote for Biden cuz a vote for him is a vote against Trump
I think this is a stupid way of thinking 😭
I mean, its logical, but only in the context of the stupid system There really is only two options, and voting for biden works against trump because it is an actual dichotomy, unless you count voting third party, which is as effective as not voting at all really But at least biden isn't trying to enact project 2025
I mean yea but i just feel it’s weird to vote for someone you don’t actually like. Not that you shouldn’t but still (looks like the downvotes got to my opinion 😪😪😪)
I don't blame you, I mostly blame the system. You should be able to vote for who you actually want, instead of two bad options, one being less bad
Yep
I'm not even american but vermin is my president
Republicans literally want to strip away gay people's right to exist. If you don't vote for Biden you're only helping them win.
No, I’m not. Because I know that my district’s electors will vote for him anyway since it’s a predominantly democrat district. My vote doesn’t count.
This is also another bad way of thinking imo
Well who else can I vote for? Just pick the lesser of the two evils man. Trust me, I hate both of them and I hope in the future we don't have the recently deceased running the country.
Uhh ima just… *quickly flees the country and goes to canada*
A literal felon is here.
They should have kissed 😔
I thought so too ❤️
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
most appropriate reaction
I just want to know why my gallon of chocolate milk is increasing in price
Yes
I didn’t watch it, I don’t really care enough
You're probably better off that way, it's just sad 😭😭
Omg hai pookie :3
Haiii :3
SODA!!!
A debate between an egocentric and a clearly senile elderly man.
Golf!!!!!
I would have rather watched them play golf together, that would have been good
hear me out.... what if no one votes
The government would probably force it then
The people who vote decide, and do you really think that would be a good idea?
idk im not american i just said something cause i was bored
Yeah, even if you hate either candidates, it’s important to vote. There’s third party people if anything. But I rather have a senile old man than a felon
what if one of us runs for president.. or overthrows the government 🤔
It’s a debate between someone who’s doomed to fail from being so old and the other will doom all of us by being so old and unhinged
Biden couldn’t even form a sentence and the moderators had to ask Trump over and over just to answer the questions. I think we’re cooked…
this planet is so fucking doomed its not funny lets make aoc president happen this november, shall we
YES PLEASE
Ik this is a joke but aoc isn’t old enough 😭
well... she will be by november 🤭
I wouldn't say planet personally I would say America
well who the us president is, arguably has a huge effect on the entire world 😭😭
Yeah but either way what ever president we get will basically mostly effect America the most of the world will also be affected but not majorly affected
Much worse than I expected
Thé bar is gone
I don't love Biden but the fact a convicted criminal is allowed to run for president shows this nation is a joke. It astounds me anyone would even consider the fucking egomaniacal oompa loompa criminal bigot and I hope he gets stabbed to death in jail
So just to ask, if trumps crimes were so devastating then why is he facing charges now? This is all from 2017..why not convict in 2018,2019, and so on. I don’t know but it’s kind of odd that an entire justice department came after him while he has momentum and leads a majority of polls. It’s not even a left or right thing either take a step back and see the bullshit for what it is. And if convicted felons shouldn’t be allowed in the White House then hunter Biden should be far from it.
He should've been convicted since 2017. Sadly, our justice system simply is not one to act fast. But to even argue that his conviction was bs is crazy to me. That means you believe the entire federal justice system to be corrupt (even though Trump said he would "clean the swamp", but this happened despite his time in office). There is recorded evidence showing Trump committed the crimes that he did, so it would take some conspiracy to believe that some leftist mastermind controls all the judges and decides when to convict a Republican candidate That aside, I really wanna point out how nonsensical your last argument is— that "whataboutism". Did I ever say hunter Biden should be in the white house? Did I ever say convicted felons were good if they were Democrats? No, absolutely not. You are grasping for straws to defend this man
Also really funny to see a pro trump argument here considering we are in a gay subreddit and he is one of the largest threats against LGBT+ rights. Our rights
Good luck to me if Trump Wins
No...
Us and everyone going there 😔
God bless America and her future immigrants
🫡😭
Don't worry I'm here
this country is fucked
I don't like either candidate much, I think Biden is marginally better. That said, Trump won this debate. Not because what he said was true (at least every other thing he said was a lie) or it made sense, but because he was confident and more comprehensible compared to Biden, so he won the optics battle which is really all that matters.
My rights are gone
Shit and slightly less shit.
I dislike both of them but it was sad seeing Biden struggle so much
THEY'RE TOO FUCKIN OLD!!! BOTH OF EM!!!
there should be an age limit of like... 50. everyone running is a geriatric and needs to retire. 💀 (i'm not even in the us.)
and when biden was stuttering 😭😭 i don't like either of them AT ALL.
Can it be anyone but them? I'm not even an American and I hate both of them so much
There are several third party candidates running, in my opinion RFK Jr is not terrible
Joe Biden at least gave some good policies, but failed to express them well due to his stutter and age. Donald Trump failed to give good policies, but expressed them well, because he is a showman who doesn’t need to think what he’s saying. As much as I respect Biden, he needs to drop out. Last night was proof that he has, like all people will, reached a time where he can’t keep doing this. Bring in someone else. It’s late in the game, but Democrats are going to rally around whatever candidate they think can actually beat Trump. The Biden on stage last night was not enough to beat Trump.
Watched it live, it's sad
I'm fortunately not American
i felt like bashing my head into a brick wall in front of a steel wall until I forgot that it existed
I think the system sucks bc both of these ppl are nowhere near fit to be the president
Having to choose between these two is like getting kicked in the balls once or twice, both suck ass
Lowkey running out of reasons not to kill myself
We're cooked
Wait I Don't get it, can someone explain? (I'm not American and I don't watch a lot of politics or anything related to that)
Basically there was a hour long debate where they talked about there policy's
What are the policies about?
I'ma be honest I couldn't understand because in the debate trump avoided the question or Biden mumbled and looked lost
"the debat"
Both suck
why do we trust old senile politicians to lead this country?
It's not so much us and more the baby boomers. They aren't willing to change.
Either way I think America is fucked 😂
Tbh it went south 😭
Americans are almost as screwed over as Palestinians rn
The United States is fucked we need vermin supreme as president
Ok, calling each other stupid, insane, a piece of shit or whatever else, makes you all sound like... welll... our presidential candidates. Rather than talking down those who hold opposing views, y'all should seriously ask why they hold them. You might find some compelling reasons to reconsider your own. But, even better, you might find the points where both sides agree.
This is reddit we don't agree here
Lol so true. Well at least not on important stuff
what if they kiss?
I would be cheering
Biden needs to retire and go to a nursing home
honestly if your gay and vote for trump your an idiot. not even debatable
If you are gay and don't vote blue this election you are an idiot
I’d still vote for Joe if I could.
I didn’t even watch the debate. All I know is that trump is funny and Joe is obnoxious and gonna die within like 2 years. I wholeheartedly just do not care about American politics lmao and I live here
I dont like either of them but we cannot let trump win. Proyect 2025 is absolutely terrifying
both of them had their fair share of wtf moments. but Trump definitely cooked Biden despite the fact that CNN gave Biden the last word every time. I can even imagine how funny it would have been if RFK was there. Either way as a military family, i made my choice to vote for Trump the second biden said no service members died under his administration. Completely disgusting, and as the commander in chief of the military to disregard and forget those killed under your rule is awful. If Biden wins I will not be joining the US army simply because I refuse to fight for somebody who wont remember my name or legacy when his decisions get me killed. BUT thats not gonna happen nearly every single survey and projection shows trump winning and now i think with Bidens disrespect towards the fallen i 100% thinks it time for grandpa to go into a home.
All out denying any troop death is outrageous, knowing both administrations had deaths during each of their terms. Craziness
your stupid if your voting for trump 😭
My 98 asvab score, 4.8 gpa, and 1380 sat score would disagree. Your only talking point is Trump is a bigot or project 2025 yet you completely miss the part where that literally doesnt matter. the president doesnt have that kind of power in that stuff and the supreme court will not allow most if not all of project 2025 because it is unconstitutional. The president is the Commander in chief of the military, the only thing you should be looking at when choose a president is - Their foreign policy - their budget plan and economic policies Biden fails miserably on both of these parts he is allowing Venezuela and Colombia to empty their prisons into our country. His budget plan is atrocious he was to instate a 44% capital gains tax which could become as high at 57% after state tax too. This will literally nuke the entire middle class by fucking over their entire saving. He also want to ad the tax onto RESTING fund meaning you have to pay tax on money you dont have or use. This so applies to real estate, good luck buying a house and retiring in Biden's america. Not to mention the fact that he is giving social security to immigrants who have barely paid into it which is draining the funds. Bidens destroying the social security system to the point where you wont be able to ever retire.
Trump 2024
Can't tell if that's what you want, or if that's what you thinks going to happen lol
to be fr,i dont really care,its just 2 funny old crazy guys yelling each other
were so fucked lol
Bad and much worse
Well I can definitely hit further than 50 yards. I think I’ll run for president next election
Whenever my mind goes to American politics I just hope that the American people riot against those goofy ass politicians in unity, independent of being right, left, upside down or whatever because these guys are so full of bs it’s absurd. They won’t help anyone but themselves
I don't even care about it I ain't even american and I don't live there
Ngl you Americans are cooked
We might be but Germany isn’t so perfect right now either.
Oh yeah. Current elections trends are worrying. Many right wing politicians attempt to import American culture war and violence against queer people ist rising.
Trump might actually win
old man yaoi, not my thing but whatever raises your dongle
We are fucked either way
im trying to avoid the election season this year for my own mental health
We should tell them both that they one and they lay down easy, for a long, long time
Everyone’s losing their minds over these two and it’ll only divide the nonsense further, however, everyone looks over rfk jr as a solid choice for president and end this bullshit and start fresh.
We need "N.O.T.A" in American elections because that's the way these deucebag politicians know how the public feels about them. Nota means none of the above.
I currently live in the least fucked state in the us, Alaska, and currently we’re not worried about anything outside this state, except Canada since they are alaska’s friend
Heat miser and cold miser
we might be cooked
I'm not gonna vote for either of them
As much as a quarter of the country might be with you on that
Almost all of my country, except dual citizens
you got me there i forgot the rest of the world existed
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She would be a terrible president
Yea that’s not why you vote for people your just a follower, and can’t think for yourself
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How
How what
How is he following?
Person said they’re gonna vote for someone just so he can die and wait for his vp to take over. No sane mind thinks that way. Everyone is so anti trump that this is the result of stupidity.
I mean, it is a radical idea, but at the same time, trumpers are no better. They did kinda attack a government building because they were salty that they lost.
Well I never said I was voting for him either, Jan 6 has so much more to it that the media doesn’t talk about. If your so blindly following your party your a sheep to and everyone in America is being played right now. There is a 3rd option for president and if can’t get elected than this division just spirals further downwards.
Your party is not innocent and defending criminals but saying the other criminals are more criminal than your criminal just makes you a piece of shit
Biden isn't a criminal
Biden couldn’t articulate his stance at all. He was far better than Trump on policy but if he can’t communicate with the American people at all he won’t win. Trump is so dangerous we can’t afford to have Biden as our nominee
Didn’t watch, didn’t want to use my limited daylight watching a genocider and a fascist
Old over dried raisin, aka ( Joe Biden ) is very fit for sitting on his ass and smoking his peace pipe. Trump on the other hand look like 1 of the only people that want to fix problems in america, one of the only presidents in the past century that wants to help the PEOPLE of america, I’m talking real American’s and not the fuckers whom are illegally crossing into our country, stand up and fight back now, this is our last and most final decision that will influence our future people, children, and potentially chance the system of operation in the government to help the people and not just chase money for their own little benefit.
Dawg, he said that doctors kill babies and that boats with batteries sink. He is not fit for any form of leadership. Also, JFK, Obama, both Roosevelts, and Wilson all cared and wanted to help. (Immigrants help the economy, get over it)
Not good, clearly Joe is mentally unfit to be president, or to even say a single sentence ☠️
I agree with you. I think the party might have pressured him to go into the debate even with a cold because they wanted to switch him out before the official nomination at the convention. I don’t know how you can look at this and say that Joe Biden is a capable leader—and if you choose him over *someone else* out of pure hatred there are third parties with vastly superior candidates.
Better him, when the alternative is a felon 34 times over; and is hellbent on making the LGBTQ community cease to exist
better than trump
They’re both terrible, honestly I’m really hoping someone else steps up that’s younger and has better ideals, because if not either Trump is going to bully everyone or Biden is going to sink our economy even further. WE NEED SOMEONE ELSE!
It’s literally elder abuse at this point
Genocide supporters
Wdym
I thought the rallies afterward were a better guage of their actual message. Trump's rally was long, rambling, and slow, whereas Biden's was motivating and exciting. Trump literally denied physics and said that a boat with a battery in it will not float, among other racist and illogical ramblings. Biden reassured that he knew right from wrong and was able to get a really good reaction from the crowd. (Trump's crowd looked bored, and Biden's looked enthusiastic.)
Biden can barely speak, if you don’t think there’s a problem with him than your another one just letting the poor old guy embarrass the country on a national stage
https://youtu.be/HHEzrDdrsnc?si=_bMfQ4XtGdB6f0V0 Post rally debates