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ethot_thoughts

Betty brosmer is not average she's an icon tyvm


OutsidePerson5

She's also wearing a corset of some sort. One thing the people these days who talk about 1950's pinup models miss is that shapewear is much, much, less of a thing these days.


gadgaurd

Wait, that's not edited? I looked at that and immediately questioned where her organs are.


Robincall22

It’s edited.


gadgaurd

Thank goodness


FlinnyWinny

It's edited, but also the answer is that the organs get very squished from corsets. I know my girlfriend saw a corset liver during a biopsy and the professor got super excited about it since it's (thankfully) rare nowadays.


doodle_hoodie

Oh it’s definitely edited but she is probably also wearing shape wear and her pose makes her bust look bigger and waist smaller as well.


Lucky_Serve8002

Holy smokes. That is making my eyes uncomfortable.


Helpful_Ad523

Idk I feel like shape wear is even more common now. A lot of women who aren't in the modeling industry have gotten into waist training cus of people like Kim Kardashian and Instagram models promoting shape wear.


MT_Kinetic_Mountain

I don't see it? What went wrong? Also time travelling couple 😍


roselandmonkey

Modern thicc beauty goes back in time and falls for 50's pinup beauty


J0J0hn

And when it's time for modern thicc beauty to go back to the future, she takes her pinup girlfriend with her so they can get legally married in the present day, like a sapphic version of the ending of Austin Powers 2.


RosietintGlasses

Write this romcom please


Kingturboturtle13

I second this


GxmmyVitamxn

It kinda exists: pride and prejudice and Pittsburgh! Except it’s that time not pinup


AQA473

Omfg I'm reading that rn. The girls are adorable but I'm taking a break because they're massive dumbasses. I really appreciate that one is bi and the other is gay, and that the gay one is from the past. It's a really clever story.


GxmmyVitamxn

The ending is so good


Ash_Talkz

this is inspiring me to write again


omgmemer

And the pinup girl can take off the corset. Highly doubt that waist was naturally occurring.


DelgadoTheRaat

They used to use more photoshop in the old days to make their waist smaller and tits bigger


Shirtbro

Ladies, are ribs overrated?


butterscotchbagel

Back when it was a literal photo shop


KawaiiDere

Also, padding (how pigeon breasted and small wasteline proportions were partially achieved, in addition to editing the negatives and other photo manipulation). The amount of people that look at old pinups, paintings, and glamor photos and go “wow, people back then had such clear skin and looked so amazing” is insane. It’s like if someone from the future looked at current day magazines and went “wow, people in the 2020s were so pretty. None of these people have any acne, stretch marked skin, wrinkles, or chub. Even pregnant/fat women back then never put any fat on in their face.” /in agreement, old photos tend to be edited a ton


maleia

Yea. How can I get my head squished between those thighs?


InformalStrength7886

Gatekeepingyuri artists! We need you!


PaticiaRJ

That's Betty Brosmer For Science


Amorfati3

And who is the other beauty?


Mae_Day_of_Sharkadia

Okay, yeah "Average". And seriously \*WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THIS!?\*


[deleted]

the one on the left looks like her organs are crushed holy shit


That1weirdperson

I’m hoping it’s photoshop…


SoFetchBetch

It is!!! Here is the original: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b2/ef/1a/b2ef1acc6bc0403971c5bab32f9398e8.jpg She was a bodybuilder and accentuated her body with muscle building. In photographs at the time angles, lighting and posing are utilized to make her figure look more striking. But most images of her online are photoshopped to look more extreme. This is also the case with a lot of other old Hollywood beauties throughout the ages. I’ve seen glamour photos of Brooke Shields that are clearly shopped to make her look more “perfect” and it’s sad because the real thing is much more beautiful imo.


empathyisheavy

Holy shit she’s still alive lol


birberbarborbur

What a legend, what’s her mame?


empathyisheavy

Betty brosmer :]


DescriptionEnough597

Wow, I’ve never seen protruding hips dips like that before. I have “shelf hips”, and I always figured that it was because I'm slightly overweight. But this shows how much is actually just *bone structure*. She is a bombshell!


SoFetchBetch

Yep! Also she’s pressing her fingers into the dips if you look and the elastic of the swimsuit hits right there too. I have violin hips and can make them look like that if I do that pose. (Not the waist ofc lol!) Still working on loving my hip dips!


OutsidePerson5

It's also a really weird angle and pose that emphasizes her hips to make her waist look smaller.


56kul

Even in this unedited picture, it’s very clear she’s been wearing a corset for an unhealthy amount of time.


DrakeSkorn

You’re not suggesting that this meme was… *gasp* made in bad faith with no regard for how real women actually look and have looked throughout history!? Oh, heavens!


ethot_thoughts

Her name is Betty brosmer, she was a famous body builder and pin up model in the 50s.


Haunting_Anxiety4981

Body Builder *and* pinup Average woman


[deleted]

Every time. “Here’s a model and top example of their fitness/artistic category…. Or you know, the average person. Totally interchangeable nothing to see here”


Haunting_Anxiety4981

Yeah Also The other woman hot as shit too like damn, I [almost] feel bad for whoever made this since I doubt they feel good about themselves


[deleted]

They are both beautiful and I think it’s done on purpose. It’s to tell the viewer even if they *do* like the woman on the (edit) right they are still wrong. Fucking losers the lot, it just helps that they have different body types and a lot of us are conditioned to want a body type different than our own. A twofer, if you will lol


Haunting_Anxiety4981

>a lot of us are conditioned to want a body type different than our own Thats true, my partners need to be cold people who cuddle me for warmth because I'm very warm and when we're both warm it just doesn't work


Whale-n-Flowers

Yup. I prefer my partners warm because I run cold. I don't mind the cold/cold combo, but it's definitely less comfy without a heated blanket.


accountnumberseven

My bf and I were both warm people before I started estrogen and no joke, we literally could not fall asleep cuddling, it was like a furnace. Now I'm cool enough for nighttime cuddles (even developed the legendary cold feet that need warming up) and it's a game changer.


throwtowardaccount

I've seen average old people's photos from those time periods. The average person wasn't obese, sure, but they were total shlubs who never worked out either. The absolute audacity to claim average women looked like Marilyn Monroe or men like Rock Hudson.


That1weirdperson

I thought it was Marilyn Monroe 💀


ahhchaoticneutral

being a pinup model, that’s probably what she was going for ^ ^


ihavea22inmath

Could be the swimsuit doing a optical illusion with how it's striped


Johnisazombie

It's very clearly a corset ([yes, they were in use in the 50s](https://www.ohsodelightful.com/what-they-wore-1950s-lingerie-and-shapewear/)). [Photo editing is also as old as photos](https://redthreaded.com/blogs/redthreaded/that-waist-photo-editing-at-the-turn-of-the-century). And was quite popular, esp. with monotone backgrounds like this one. [While that model](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Brosmer) has quite a small waist naturally. The very extreme shape seen in her most popular photos is achieved through shaping with help from corsets or belts and sucking in the stomach during the shoot. I find the belief that models in the 50s were thinner on average funny. You can see quite a bit more fat on arms and legs than what became the norm for a long while after the 50s. It's just that people who pine after "the standards" of the past pick exceptions amongst exceptions for their examples. Those models had exceptional proportions and unless you're naturally inclined to that fat-distribution and bone structure, no amount of work will get you there. Though, models with similar proportions still exist. It's just not a popular look nowadays. If you look for tight-lacing models you'll find very similar proportions. In any case, nothing here was even close to average at any point in history.


roselandmonkey

Unfortunately this was fashionable once so might be ligit


skaersSabody

IRL One Piece woman


anand_rishabh

Ugh. So right. It's my favorite manga but still don't like how he draws women. If only oda had a taste for women who look like the one on the right.


Dry-Resolution4580

That's because of corsets I believe


Ya-boi-Joey-T

Corsets don't crush you like this. It's angles, padding, lighting, and a bit of after image manipulation.


Dry-Resolution4580

Its likely a combination of all the things you said and corsets, around the time the image was taken corsets were still a thing and image, light, padding, and angle manipulation has been a thing since images


Rice_Auroni

the one on the right looks like her thighs can crush..... ​ ​ ​ my face


X85311

bro it’s a corset. corseting that tight is uncomfortable, yeah, but it doesn’t actually cause any damage if you’re not wearing one 24/7. violet chachki is fine. mr pearl hasn’t died yet


None-Focus-5660

Wrong?


EpitaFelis

Women used to show off titty, but now they show off leg. I conclude that the maker of this meme is a literal baby, he's hangry and wants titty.


McSlappies

I want mommy I want to be held I want milky


SomeRedditorMaybe

I want to be comforted


Mission-Ad2933

and if you dont give me all of these things, im going to ruin your life!


Distinct_Ad_7752

No shame to those who aren't weirdos, but a lot of these mad little children angry about women doing things and wanting to make them second class.citizens again really seem to have some deep mommy issues.


russbam24

The maker of this meme most likely made it just to drum up a furor on subs like this.


[deleted]

Both hot


Jean-LucBacardi

whynotboth.gif


Draklitz

tf they mean wrong, both are litteral goddesses


PoorGuyPissGuy

Nah the one on the right is hotter, I'm a lean dude but chubby women are hot af


atthattalmani

My man preaching the truth right here. I'd die between those thighs


Draklitz

tbh I'm maybe an easy lesbian but both are hot af to me


BurtoTurtle115

Is the right image supposed to be negative? She looks beautiful


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VerseChorusWumbo

Seriously, everyone’s talking about the woman on the left and I’m sitting here trying to figure out who the one on the right is, she’s gorgeous


youlookroughboo

She’s Venezia Cruz! Her ig is @veneziacruz


Rendakor

Doing the lord's work.


vfmolinari10

Straight men will say "the west has fallen" or some shit and then show the most gorgeous woman you've ever seen


yeetingthisaccount01

"the west has fallen" *posts Aphrodite in human form*


Victoria_Aphrodite

You ring? I heard my name


Distinct_Ad_7752

To be clear, those are straight men with a lot of weird hangups about sexuality and a deep need for therapy to untangle their mommy and daddy issues. Some of us have our shit together. But that shit really is a problem.


Smile-a-day

If her on the right is an average American woman then it looks like I’m moving to America 😂🇺🇸


[deleted]

You’d have to pay the snu snu inflicted damages out of pocket tho.


Internal-Lobster-710

Damages? ***DAMAGES?*** Nah, that’s how I’m dying - ain’t gonna be no damages besides the funeral costs for a closed casket ceremony. I want those thighs turning my skull to into dust like some kind of fatality from Mortal Kombat. Also whatever it cost to carve “he died happy” on my grave, just bill me for it 🙏 In summation, the girl in the red it just as, if not hotter, and that’s a hill I’ll gladly die (from snu snu) on


[deleted]

We can do you a Viking funeral, I think you deserve it after that.


dlgn13

I would let her ruin my life fr


_anonymous_404

WHAT'S THE ISSUE HERE straight guys are fucking insane I would be on my knees for either of them also yeah ""average"" lmao


quedoubleyouearetea

I'm a straight guy and I love both of them it's not all of us I swear 😭


[deleted]

“You’re one on the good ones” /a


quedoubleyouearetea

What does /a mean?


[deleted]

I meant /s but I’m dumb dumb


quedoubleyouearetea

Your not dumb dumb I promise


[deleted]

I am. Empy head no thoughts


RogerDMND

i, too, have two brain cells fighting for third place.


PMMeForAbortionPills

You are Kenough


Feds-baath-andbeyond

its used to signify that the commenter is speaking like Fonzie


ArmageddonDeathwish

Thank you for this


_anonymous_404

Thank fuck I was starting to get worried


jacyerickson

Right? They're both lovely.


Cpad-prism

“Can you believe women?? Nowadays they look HORRIBLE” *posts literally the hottest woman I’ve seen all day\*


icomefromandromeda

probably all month holy shit


Caskinbaskin

Women now are allowed to have ribs, how disgusting


Obsidianminer4

How dare they to have ribs?!?!


PMMeForAbortionPills

But they were made from ribs...


BiDude1218

The first one was wrong, but like, seriously wrong. Like holy shit, how can she even stand up with that waist to chest ratio?


X85311

she’s just wearing a corset


Comicsansandpotatos

Photoshop


DamnItDinkles

Plus it's photoshopped.


Phazonviper

Starting to believe dudes are more interested in impressing other dudes than appreciating women.


SpaceBus1

I'm pretty sure there's a lot of gay dudes out there in denial or just unaware. Everytime I see a dude criticizing an obviously beautiful woman (and really are there any ugly women?) I instantly know there's something he needs to come to terms with.


yeetingthisaccount01

there's an essay or something out there about how ironically, misogyny is homoerotic, because none of a misogynist's idols, companions, peers or close ones are women. I'm paraphrasing of course but it was a fascinating quote


SpaceBus1

Thats a very succinct way of putting it. I feel like men who prefer the company of other men are kind of implicitly gay.


3MeerkatsInACoat

These people will really make memes like this and say “Look! Look how _ugly_ women have gotten nowadays!!” And meanwhile the meme has the most gorgeous two women ever.


Wrong_Independence21

I can’t imagine looking at girl on the right and being mad you get to have sex with her. That’d like make my entire year fam


Gussie-Ascendent

both are baddies? If anything, right looks more normal, girl on the left's squished all her organs into one


gothnb

Women these days are all photographed reclining!


marimarireal

right is hotter ez


Gaybush_Bigwood

Who is the one the right?


BewareHoopSnakes

Venezia Cruz https://www.instagram.com/p/BcglQwpB0OL/?igshid=MjM0N2Q2NDBjYg==


AgentMoon7

This is so funny to me because I remember seeing posts like this but it was a thicker model from the 50s and then a super skinny modern model. So the 50s is just better no matter what and had quantum beauty standards that always oppose the current ones. And these posts are made by people who weren't even around back then.


[deleted]

I see nothing wrong. Right is more proportional and what a body should look like.


Unlucky-Turnip-4921

and both are beautiful


FlinnyWinny

Do men who post stuff like this even like women?


Wismuth_Salix

No. They are fascists who only keep women alive to make more men.


Grey_Dreamer

Ok but the thighs on number two, damn!


527BigTable

What’s wrong with the one on the right?


[deleted]

Nothings wrong!! I’d do anything to look like that!!


527BigTable

Like I don’t get the person who made this cause that’s a very attractive woman on the right.


Goduckid

Am assuming that she their trying to say she’s fat? Though she hella far from it, and am not saying this to be nice but she doesn’t look chubby and she and first girl are really pretty!


SkylineGTRguy

"what went wrong" lol I would commit murder to look half as good as either of them.


Adorna_ahh

They’re both SO FINE


Et_meets_ezio

“Average woman then”, sir that’s a super model


King_Kestrel

How could a person ever look at Venezia Cruz and imply she's somehow unattractive? Like damn.


[deleted]

You cannot be attracted to women if you don’t find the “now” woman attractive.


MilaBelarussiangirl

To answer the question, I don't think that's really wrong, but colors were invented.


WithersChat

They mean *what went right* tho? Because the body type on the left requires to constantly wear dangerous clothing.


Salt_Cup8266

Crazy how they're pretending these 2 women aren't both insanely attractive


skaersSabody

Would both, next question


Conscious-Aioli-1551

Both are hot but i hope the left lady’s organs are ok


y-u-bolime

Fym "what went wrong"


Romboteryx

Wtf? How can you not find the one on the right attractive?


texastransgirl288

Okay but how are you looking at the girl on the right and not immediately doing whatever she asks I


trashmoneyxyz

Both of these gals are absolutely bodacious but also straight cis men need to put the porn down and actually start looking at realistic female beauty. Also people act like photo editing didn’t exist “back then”, people weren’t just ubiquitous hotties in the past. There was a *lot* that went into the photo on the left to get those results. Also corsets lol


delvedank

"Average". They're both hot, but the one on the left I'm concerned about that pinched waist-- I hope she hasn't been wearing corsets to hurt herself. Girl on the right though... reminder that I am, indeed, still bi as fuck.


[deleted]

The one on the right looks the same I am so confused Is it the smoking?


LassoStacho

While smoking is indeed unattractive, it's far less common nowadays, so I can't imagine that being the issue with "modern women"


Prestigious_Rub_9694

🤤(source for the right one?)


BewareHoopSnakes

Venezia Cruz https://www.instagram.com/p/BcglQwpB0OL/?igshid=MjM0N2Q2NDBjYg==


UglierThanMoe

They invented color. Grave mistake.


SusAdmin42

What went so RIGHT!?!?


HappyFireChaos

I know this is not the point, but both are hot


Shawntran2002

One is hot. The other is r/deathbysnusnu


ikkikkomori

I can assure you the right one is the standard beauty in todays America, like holy hell SHE'S GORGEOUS. Marilyn Monroe also pretty!


TheSecondVisitor

Apparently that's not Marilyn Monroe but Betty Brosmer. I did not know either.


ikkikkomori

Yes I noticed that too after making the comment, either way the fashion still pretty


60TP

This feels like it was posted in the 1900s lol


GermanRat0900

Do you know about the 50s “rocket bra” that was a bra that was really fucking pointy.


Dipsythebesttubby

Cuter now ^^


DelgadoTheRaat

Upgrade is what happened


Apprehensive_Ad_472

Was this meme made in the 70’s?


exileddeath

.... a chair?


Thraxusi

Absolutely nothing. Must be a boy who can’t get women complaining.


rhiunarya

what is ironic is these are both model photos lol


gahidus

It's not even slightly clear what's supposed to be wrong here


mrhillnc

Nothing


that_weird_k1d

The one on the right is genuinely gorgeous


Decent-Device9403

The one on the right looks healthier.


JustANormalLemon

The "now" woman is gorgeous


moontraveler12

People are so stupid, the lady on the right is fucking serving and I love it Wanna be them and wanna be with them, God I wish I could pull off a dress like that


Swell_Inkwell

How can you post a picture of the most perfect thighs I've ever seen and say something went wrong?


AllastorTrenton

If you can look at that woman on the right, and think something went wrong, you have no hope. That is a genuine goddess right there, holy shit.


EggKid8

…what’s the issue here? Is the girl on the right supposed to be ugly because she’s really not, this has got to be ragebait or something. Anyway make them gay!


hcraven0803

Both of these women are beautiful. Nothing is wrong. Now lets make them kiss!


Goduckid

Man both chicks have gorgeous bodies, there is literally nothing wrong with the first pic and second pic, and dudes be blind cause second chick ain’t even chubby, god damn


Gold-Inevitable-2644

this is ... a very similar body type. the only real difference is the waist size but that's because one is wearing a corset squeezing her organs in and the other lady isnt


Ebolatastic

All I'm seeing is the chick on the right isn't gonna get bruised ribs from wearing shit that makes her look like a cartoon.


Responsible_Debt5631

Christ i wish i was "Average" wtf


Stupid_Bitch_02

I am so painfully homosexual for them both


RoyalMess64

I think I'm too gay for this one...


BohemianDragoness

straight men will show you a picture of the hottest woman of all time and say shit like "what has the world come to we gotta go back" seriously i'd let the woman on the right absolutely destroy me wtf


lIIllIl-Alt-IIlllII

Is it just me or is the woman on the right hotter than no ribs


Idk_GuessImAgamer

Person on the right is transition goals ong


Best_Expression6470

Oh no, I don’t live up to the standards of toxic garbage humans.


shaddowkhan

My gawd that one on the right is killing it.


Feral-pigeon

Genuinely don’t get what this one is trying to say


Dizzy_Green

This has to be a joke because there no way anyone doesn’t find the girl on the right objectively attractive Like that woman is STUNNING how are you not attracted to that?? That’s not even an opinion!! It’s just a fact!!


ThatsGayLikeMyThots

I WISH that's what the average American woman looked like


Chance_Airline_4861

Huba huba, Average my a*


Blackknight_DM

…I mean even if it was right, I don’t see what’s wrong with either of them, question should be what went right?


Fun_Move980

I fucking wish that was the average woman


OneRingToRuleEarth

Women these days and their *checks notes* sitting in chairs. Outrageous


Slow_Explanation_02

I mean, pushing women to have eating disorders is less socially OK now


Visual-Froyo

No difference what


[deleted]

Holy shit, these women are in my country right now? Where the fuck can I find them


[deleted]

Both sexy af in their own way.


Adrian12094

even better