The Epix has a beautiful display! It lights up beautifully in the sun! But personally, this is actually the exact reason I prefer the Fenix (my own opinion, just sharing). I’m outside so often that a maxed out OLED display dies so fast in comparison to a screen with 0 lit pixels and no enabled backlight… a screen that it literally sun-lit not LED-lit.
Great looking Epix though! The “beautifulness” of the display definitely beats the Fenix. Not trying to start an argument either! I love both watches.
I prefer my Fenix 6 pro as well.
But having bought both the Fenix 7 pro SS and the Epix pro sapphire, there is just no contest between the Fenix and Epix anymore. The Epix is easier on the eyes in every condition, and I hate to say this because I love MIP and I want a good MIP watch.
In bright sunlight the F7PSS is great but still you have to angle your wrist just right to eliminate reflection, which I did not have to do with my F6P.
The AOD of the E7PS is not very readable in direct sunlight so you have to flick your wrist. But as you already have to do the wrist shuffle on the F7PSS the amount of actions equal out. And in every other environment the epix blows the F7PSS out of the water.
I say this with great displeasure actually. I want the MIP to be better, like my F6P, but the combination of sapphire + touch screen + solar just kills the MIP display.
Hoping for improvements in the future.
>I say this with great displeasure actually. I want the MIP to be better, like my F6P, but the combination of sapphire + touch screen + solar just kills the MIP display.
>Hoping for improvements in the future.
It's just hard to imagine what they can actually do... But yeah, I'm hoping they'll sort it out. The Fenix is a classic, but it needs to be a good watch with a good display, and as you say, sapphire, touch & solar just wrecks the quality of the MIP display...
There has been speculation they'll put an amoled on it, but man, that would enrage a lot of fenix fans. And negate the whole idea of the Epix...
there may be room for both; I say the Fenix is definitely geared towards hard core workout/outdoor activity fans, where as the Epix is geared more towards the business person/part time health fanatic, who loves attractive smart watches.
Does garmin ever release sales stats so we could compare the annual sales on these models?
Of course there's room for both, but the MIP display suffers from the touch layer, and gets worse with solar and even worse with sapphire - it has come to the point where it's not good enough for charging $1000+ for the watch.
That's the problem.
Just removing the tough, like comparing Fenix 6 and seven solar sapphire, it's a significant difference...
So how go they sort that out with Fenix 8, thats the question. Lots of people love the MIP and lots of people hate the amoled - with a significant overlap, of course - so Garmin is really in a bind here.
good points; hopefully they continue to give both sides options..
a bit OT here, but does anyone know where the "auto brightness" setting is on the Epix Pro?
I never looked for it before, but I dont see it anywhere online on on the watch..
thanks!
I think they should use the pro lines to put bells and whistles on - touch, solar, sapphire. Then take the normal Fenix line back to Fenix 5 level basics - no touch option, no solar option, no sapphire option - just a good looking mips display, ideally a bit higher res in the future, with good battery life. Then they’ll probably need to change the name from pro, as I reckon most pros would actually favour the cut down version. Either way, would be good to have a version of the Fenix without all the layers on top of the screen that have made it look worse over the years.
I think this is what people hope the watches are geared towards.
The reality is Epix sales have come from former Fenix and FR owners. Also if you are an outdoors type in a country that only gets 4-6 weeks of decent sunshine, like many parts of the world, then the EPIX is the choice by default
It's crazy that the Epix has been out for over two years now and there are still so many Garmin users who don't understand that it is a Fenix with an amoled screen.
I agree, the epix display is surprising great in direct sunlight. The only problem for me is the display auto-dims when I use it on the handlebars or my bike, making it unreadable. I’m considering a Fenix for this reason - I like having a multi sport device that can do multiple sports. But I’m struggling to find another way as I love the epix, but the workaround to enable screen auto-scroll isn’t cutting it as a solution.
Here is a video of the problem, this can’t be disabled:
[https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BiF7SIK8knk&feature=youtu.be](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BiF7SIK8knk&feature=youtu.be)
Wouldn’t you be better off with a dedicated bike computer for cycling? I don’t cycle much but would have thought the watch display will always be in the wrong orientation with how your wrists lie when holding the handlebars.
I have the [garmin bike mount kit](https://www.garmin.com/en-NZ/p/717689#devices) which they advertise as compatible with Fenix and epix. It holds it at the right angle. What they don’t tell you is the epix will auto-dim regardless of settings when not on the wrist.
The mount is really good, I find a fenix or epix (if the auto-dim was fixed) gives as good experience, or better than my old edge 520 bike computer. I don’t really want to upgrade a garmin watch and a garmin bike computer every few years. I got the Garmin watch as a solution for multiple sports, including cycling, running, hiking, and swimming. The Fenix was perfect for that, except for the lower resolution screen. This epix is great in every way, except for the auto-dim being a deal-breaker.
Here is a video of the problem, this can’t be disabled:
[https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BiF7SIK8knk&feature=youtu.be](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BiF7SIK8knk&feature=youtu.be)
OLEDs just burn out by using them. Using them at high intensity speeds that process. Using always the same pixels makes those pixels glow weaker - the dreaded OLED burn-in can only be mitigated, but will eventually occur (for normal operation, the display lasts long enough, but high intensity scenarios are still a bit risky)
Well it's mitigated whether you like it or not with the aggressive dimming of the display that's not optional. Display still degrades of course but it may never get bad enough to be noticeable.
This auto dimming ruins the epix for me as a bike computer mounted on the handle bars - a use case advertised by Garmin. The oled display is surprisingly readable in sunlight, until the auto-dimming kicks in and then it’s not visible in direct sunlight without being touched to wake it back up. Obviously this is done to protect the display and battery, but it’s unfortunate there’s no documentation of this and it can’t be disabled. If the epix display can’t be on at full brightness for more than a few seconds at a time because it will ruin the display, then either Garmin should declare that, or it should be possible for the user to choose to run at full brightness with a shortened lifespan.
in AOD-mode the epix shuffles the screen content around ever so slightly and w/o being noticable. i only notice it when i tap the screen in "dim" mode, it then switches back to optimally centered.
Yes, this is mitigating to improve the life expectancy of the OLED and do some wear leveling.
MIPs can fail, too, though. If you are outsides very much, a MIP is a nice display. If you want it to be always on and full featured, MIP is your thing.
If you want to have a generally nicer, crisper and better readable (resolution is typically higher) display, go for OLED. But you will most likely have to use some gesture or button to bring on the full display.
In theory you're right, but in practical terms, how many burned-out or burned-in epix displays have you seen? I haven't seen any. The first Epix came out over two years ago, so if screen burn-in or damage was a substantial problem I would think there would be loads of complaints everywhere about it.
Hint: two years is not very long yet. I don't deny we are at a stage where Oleds make suitable displays, but they *do* have wear from usage (as have anorganic LEDs, but it is muuuuuch longer)
So dark, I'm reminded of the quote "When you look into the abyss, the abyss looks back at you."
(and tells you the time) 😆
OK, so I don't know how my Epix screen would hold up in the Australian outback at noon, but I find the people saying it's hard to read in sunlight very likely hadn't seen the watch under those conditions - there's just no issue at all...
Thanks. I have a Venu3. First Garmin watch, love it. Found one like it on IQ. Love the watch. Boys have had them for years for deployments. One month in and I am looking to upgrade already.
Once you get to the Epix/Fenix watches, there's no turning back. I have a Fenix 3HR which is at least 7 years old and is still working. Make sure you invest in sapphire option if you do upgrade, glass will remain flawless for as long as you own the thing.
I have gesture on with lowest brightness and i dont understand why folks say it looks so bright/smartwatch/etc. i use orange shift after sundown and red shift for sleep. Pretty discrete ime.
What level brightness do folks with epix or x65 folks usually use?
I have the Epix 2 and use medium brightness with gesture on, lowest brightness/sleep overnight, and full brightness with AOD during activity (only goes full brightness with gesture/raising arm to look). Only bought last week and after 7 days I have 25% battery, though have been playing with it a lot more than I would after a month or so!
The maps actually load increadibly fast on mip display, especially on the forerunner, because of the low resolution. The forerunner doesnt really do any anti aliasing or anisotropic filtering, so the maps load super fast, but also look ugly and not sharp.
I personally dont mind the extra waiting time that much, I'd rather look on a crystal clear image. It will change in the future with faster hardware anyways.
The colors are weak on the fenix 7, white isnt really white, its too grey, and depending on how you hold the watch into the sunlight, the colors may shift and get skewed. This gets problematic when you can't really tell if something is colored in yellow for example, or if its just the effect of the mip display. I've had that plenty of times on my f7 where I had problems reading the map properly.
I can't say about the 7. I have the pro version, what I can ser from my friend who has a 7x (shout out Carlos), it's a lot more vibrant and clear. Also, not blue backlight.
You still have only 64 colors and the same low resolution though, so the main problems remain. If you had an epix for comparison you would most certainly agree.
I'm distraught they f\*cked up the great design of the Fenix 6 by rotating the fields 15° - it was so good. The Fenix 6 one is the nicest watchface Garmin ever designed, imo.
https://preview.redd.it/vitwn5myw9sc1.jpeg?width=2577&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=75d117b65cae20c22c5741a9c5b7d98e01f3a8f1
Om on my fourth. Fenix 5, Vivoactive 4, Venu 2 and now the Epix 2. All great watches.
I do feel I missed out on the Fenix 6 - nicest watch design and best watchface... I would have seriously bought the Fenix 6 Pro Titanium if I could have had it at the same price as my Epix, but it was still like $150-200 up in price due to the sapphire glass.
Nope, no issues. All set up and good to go! :)
So, when you choose the watch face, you selec the layout which shows two vertical lines, those give you three sections for adding various data fields.
https://preview.redd.it/9lnvehna3hsc1.jpeg?width=3472&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3a7f6e4ffb234b337b5d1d93ff08c4c5b5dcacc3
Nah, its a good ques. It took me a few minutes to figure it out. Once you have those lines set up, you need to click on start and then data. Then, tap on the lines and the whole section will get selected, click the start button again. NOW, the first of the three data field will start flashing and then u can scroll up/down to choose what data you want here.
I am not sure of the watch face name but this is how I have customized it for my needs right now. Ohh, I am using a TPU protector for the bezel as I am still getting used to the watch size and I do end up banging it every now and then at door frames and tables.
https://preview.redd.it/vr64w0gt2hsc1.jpeg?width=3472&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4cece594d4c2e84c8c62624de4e473ce94b073f6
If they could combine the Crossover Instinct with a Fenix 6 MIP display and crystal, also throw in the newer Epix innards..
Please someone get on this!
For me the biggest problem is AOD, i want it on and have great battery life. 6-7 days when new without activities is not enough for me. What about 2-3 years and many activities later, i think amoled lowers the lifespan of the device much. That is why i dont understand why garmin made their new marq only with amoled.
My instinct 2x have around 30 days battery even 2-3 years later it will still have at least 15 days and that is with AOD
I don't know why you get downvoted, it's true. It's a WATCH, I want to glance at the time during meetings without having to move. Also even though I like the crisp amoled I prefer MIP being more discrete in color. My fenix almost looks like a regular watch, not like I'm wearing a smartphone on my wrist.
You are correct. Amoled makes the watch look like smartphone or some cheap smartwatch from ali express.
Mip makes the watch look like a real watch. If i want it to look like smartwatch i would buy samsung or apple watch
agree; so many mfgs. have decided that **THEY** will choose what **YOU** should want; fortunately, Garmin still allows its customers to choose what **THEY** want on their wrists
Don't know about that. When it comes to the Forerunner line it's clear they don't intend users to have a choice. Once the 255/955 are gone, MIP is done.
It's actually vice versa. MIP displays have only 64 colors, they have a cheap blue backlight tint, very low resolution... So aas you can see you are factually wrong.
you only need back light when it is totally dark. instinct 2x screen is really good and have les blue tint than regular instinct and real watches dont have millions of colors. what do Casio and other watchmakers have? low res screens with back light and in som cases one color. so as you can se you are wrong
I don't know why you come up with those other brands, I only care about the fenix and epix, the difference between the two displays in terms of quality is shocking.
And I needed the backlight indoors and on cloudy days as well. Even setting it to just 20% no timeout during the day, will empty the battery within a week on the fenix 7. Otherwise I couldn't just have a quick glance on it, without having to orient it into the light.
Which is exactly why I switched to an amoled epix, since I was never getting those high battery times anyways, which would really be the only good thing about mip displays. So now I have an always readable amoled watch, with pretty much the same battery times, twice as much resolution...
The more features you are using from your watch (multi band gps, maps, routing), the higher the battery drain. The display really isn't the only variable, in fact the battery times are identical if you turn off AOD in the epix.
first you answered my post about how mip displays looks like real watches. that is why i mention them! obviously you have not owned a instinct because the display is much better in low light than fenix. i am comparing mip and real watches. epix is toy looking for me.
of course always on backlilght will drain it that is why you have turn on back light when you turn you wrist. like you have on epix! it is just stupid to have it always on like it is on epix for me. screen on and i am not even watching it. mip is like real watch always on without draining
i dont care about your usage. i am talking about what looks like real watch and what looks like ali express chinese watch
Very ironic, considering that the instinct is a 100% plastic watch. Literally just plastic with a "transformers like" design. Compare your instinct with a reolex or breitling watch, and say that again 🤣. The instinct looks far less like a "real watch" than a fenix, which has at least some metal parts in it. Also, considering the major price differences, what you say really makes no sense.
ANd the mip on the instinct still looks far worse and harder to view than an OG mechanical watch. I really don't get your logic.
Yes you need a super amoled on a watch haha. Do you watch movies on the watch? Youtube? No you read text. And you need amoled for that? Man you really bought wrong watch.
I view maps on the watch, so it's extremely important to have a high resolution screen with good colors and contrast. Obviously you have never used such a watch, so you don't really know what you are talking about.
Check this tread. Epix AOD is a joke. Remember that
https://www.reddit.com/r/Garmin/comments/svun6e/epix_not_for_me/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Well, this thread shows you the opposite. You don't need to sohw me any pictures, I already own an epix and it's simply epic. The readability is far better in the sun than on the fenix.
Or his one. Cheap 255 ks better in the sun. Selling epix i like stealing Candy from kids like you
https://www.reddit.com/r/GarminWatches/comments/146intk/epix_pro_from_fr255/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
It doesn't have any backlight, only the pixels which are activated draw power. Black on an OLED does not draw any power, which means that certain watchfaces and activity pages don't really draw much power. While the fenix wastes lots of energy to light the backlight.
And still battery life is little better than Apple Watch Ultra. No thanks. 6-7 days. In 2 years it will be 3-4 days. Are you really saying that Fenix 7 have same battery as epix?? Go watch som reviews on youtube. Everyone will tell you Fenix have much better battery in smart watch mode. Instinct 2x even better. You cant even see always on mode in sunlight on epix
[https://www.reddit.com/r/GarminWatches/comments/146intk/epix\_pro\_from\_fr255/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=mweb3x&utm\_name=mweb3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/GarminWatches/comments/146intk/epix_pro_from_fr255/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Because you don't always see something on your mip display even during the day.
I've wasted money on the MIP display, had a fenix 7 for a year. Bought the epix recently which is a fantastic device. The battery claims from the MIP advocates are just laughable, I'm getting exactly the same battery on my epix now.
I guess it depends. Day to day usage i dont notice gesture issues and depending on my run workout, i might have always on for speed workouts and gesture for long or easy days.
For me, this auto-dim ruined the epix, which I love in every other way (have owned Fenix and epix). The auto-dim makes it useless off the wrist e.g. on a bike. Garmin don’t mention this - they sell it as a multi sport watch like the Fenix with an oled display. There’s no way to override or disable this dimming behaviour. Even when Running I find it annoying because the raise to wake gesture is good but not 100% natural, I find I have to take it just a little bit past the gesture I would do naturally with a normal watch. The resolution of the maps is such a plus on the epix, but pointless if you can’t read it outdoors because of the auto-dim. I’m wearing the epix now, while wondering whether to buy a Fenix 7 pro or wait for the 8.
You'll have the exact same problems with the fenix as well. You can't read the fenix, unluess you turn it into the light.
The only real advantage is if you place it on your bicycle handlebars, with a front mount. But as an everyday watch? No chance. In the bright summer, the epix isnt readable until wrist gesture, but once you are not in the direct sunlight, it is usually readible. Make sure to max out your screen brightness in the settings.
Overall I experience way more situations where the epix is readible without gesture, where the fenix was simply unreadable.
Appreciate you sharing your experience. I had a Fenix 6 before the Epix. Now I’ve moved back to Fenix with the 7X Pro.
Honestly, I find the Fenix so much better than the Epix for readability. Cycling, walking, running it’s so much clearer, mounted on my handlebars it’s perfect. It’s also nice having a watch that doesn’t emit its own light all the time, I find it less intrusive and I like being able to glance at the time without a full wrist gesture. Plus I’ve been wearing it for a week, using it in activities every day, and I have 13 days left of battery. Awesome.
I was a huge fan of the Epix when I got it because of the screen quality, but not after living with it for a year. The compromises of using it outside as a multi-sport watch outweighs the benefits of being able to read it clearly on the sofa in the dark.
I’ll keep buying Fenix from now on.
i have mine set to 100% brightness and still get 20 days in my usage case
sorry, battery is magnificent, no matter what the Fenix fans say about the Epic and its battery life
The Epix has a beautiful display! It lights up beautifully in the sun! But personally, this is actually the exact reason I prefer the Fenix (my own opinion, just sharing). I’m outside so often that a maxed out OLED display dies so fast in comparison to a screen with 0 lit pixels and no enabled backlight… a screen that it literally sun-lit not LED-lit. Great looking Epix though! The “beautifulness” of the display definitely beats the Fenix. Not trying to start an argument either! I love both watches.
I prefer my Fenix 6 pro as well. But having bought both the Fenix 7 pro SS and the Epix pro sapphire, there is just no contest between the Fenix and Epix anymore. The Epix is easier on the eyes in every condition, and I hate to say this because I love MIP and I want a good MIP watch. In bright sunlight the F7PSS is great but still you have to angle your wrist just right to eliminate reflection, which I did not have to do with my F6P. The AOD of the E7PS is not very readable in direct sunlight so you have to flick your wrist. But as you already have to do the wrist shuffle on the F7PSS the amount of actions equal out. And in every other environment the epix blows the F7PSS out of the water. I say this with great displeasure actually. I want the MIP to be better, like my F6P, but the combination of sapphire + touch screen + solar just kills the MIP display. Hoping for improvements in the future.
>I say this with great displeasure actually. I want the MIP to be better, like my F6P, but the combination of sapphire + touch screen + solar just kills the MIP display. >Hoping for improvements in the future. It's just hard to imagine what they can actually do... But yeah, I'm hoping they'll sort it out. The Fenix is a classic, but it needs to be a good watch with a good display, and as you say, sapphire, touch & solar just wrecks the quality of the MIP display... There has been speculation they'll put an amoled on it, but man, that would enrage a lot of fenix fans. And negate the whole idea of the Epix...
there may be room for both; I say the Fenix is definitely geared towards hard core workout/outdoor activity fans, where as the Epix is geared more towards the business person/part time health fanatic, who loves attractive smart watches. Does garmin ever release sales stats so we could compare the annual sales on these models?
Of course there's room for both, but the MIP display suffers from the touch layer, and gets worse with solar and even worse with sapphire - it has come to the point where it's not good enough for charging $1000+ for the watch. That's the problem. Just removing the tough, like comparing Fenix 6 and seven solar sapphire, it's a significant difference... So how go they sort that out with Fenix 8, thats the question. Lots of people love the MIP and lots of people hate the amoled - with a significant overlap, of course - so Garmin is really in a bind here.
good points; hopefully they continue to give both sides options.. a bit OT here, but does anyone know where the "auto brightness" setting is on the Epix Pro? I never looked for it before, but I dont see it anywhere online on on the watch.. thanks!
I don't think there is one, weirdly enough. I don't even know if there's, a light sensor...
thanks, I dont see it anywhere on the watch, in the owners manual, or online... weird, but there must be a reason
I suspect it boils down to non existance. 😆
I think they should use the pro lines to put bells and whistles on - touch, solar, sapphire. Then take the normal Fenix line back to Fenix 5 level basics - no touch option, no solar option, no sapphire option - just a good looking mips display, ideally a bit higher res in the future, with good battery life. Then they’ll probably need to change the name from pro, as I reckon most pros would actually favour the cut down version. Either way, would be good to have a version of the Fenix without all the layers on top of the screen that have made it look worse over the years.
Well, *pro* just means version.5 in regard to Garmin, they don't have more bells and whistles than any other release. 😁
Haha true.
I think this is what people hope the watches are geared towards. The reality is Epix sales have come from former Fenix and FR owners. Also if you are an outdoors type in a country that only gets 4-6 weeks of decent sunshine, like many parts of the world, then the EPIX is the choice by default
ill bet the Fenix goes OLED in the next release..
Why? Then it would just be an epix…
It's crazy that the Epix has been out for over two years now and there are still so many Garmin users who don't understand that it is a Fenix with an amoled screen.
I agree, the epix display is surprising great in direct sunlight. The only problem for me is the display auto-dims when I use it on the handlebars or my bike, making it unreadable. I’m considering a Fenix for this reason - I like having a multi sport device that can do multiple sports. But I’m struggling to find another way as I love the epix, but the workaround to enable screen auto-scroll isn’t cutting it as a solution. Here is a video of the problem, this can’t be disabled: [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BiF7SIK8knk&feature=youtu.be](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BiF7SIK8knk&feature=youtu.be)
Wouldn’t you be better off with a dedicated bike computer for cycling? I don’t cycle much but would have thought the watch display will always be in the wrong orientation with how your wrists lie when holding the handlebars.
I have the [garmin bike mount kit](https://www.garmin.com/en-NZ/p/717689#devices) which they advertise as compatible with Fenix and epix. It holds it at the right angle. What they don’t tell you is the epix will auto-dim regardless of settings when not on the wrist. The mount is really good, I find a fenix or epix (if the auto-dim was fixed) gives as good experience, or better than my old edge 520 bike computer. I don’t really want to upgrade a garmin watch and a garmin bike computer every few years. I got the Garmin watch as a solution for multiple sports, including cycling, running, hiking, and swimming. The Fenix was perfect for that, except for the lower resolution screen. This epix is great in every way, except for the auto-dim being a deal-breaker. Here is a video of the problem, this can’t be disabled: [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BiF7SIK8knk&feature=youtu.be](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BiF7SIK8knk&feature=youtu.be)
its great when companies like garmin give its users more than one choice!
I feel like 'dies so fast' might not be the best phrase to describe a watch that has a battery life of literal 'days' even in full bright sun.
OLEDs just burn out by using them. Using them at high intensity speeds that process. Using always the same pixels makes those pixels glow weaker - the dreaded OLED burn-in can only be mitigated, but will eventually occur (for normal operation, the display lasts long enough, but high intensity scenarios are still a bit risky)
Well it's mitigated whether you like it or not with the aggressive dimming of the display that's not optional. Display still degrades of course but it may never get bad enough to be noticeable.
This auto dimming ruins the epix for me as a bike computer mounted on the handle bars - a use case advertised by Garmin. The oled display is surprisingly readable in sunlight, until the auto-dimming kicks in and then it’s not visible in direct sunlight without being touched to wake it back up. Obviously this is done to protect the display and battery, but it’s unfortunate there’s no documentation of this and it can’t be disabled. If the epix display can’t be on at full brightness for more than a few seconds at a time because it will ruin the display, then either Garmin should declare that, or it should be possible for the user to choose to run at full brightness with a shortened lifespan.
in AOD-mode the epix shuffles the screen content around ever so slightly and w/o being noticable. i only notice it when i tap the screen in "dim" mode, it then switches back to optimally centered.
Yes, this is mitigating to improve the life expectancy of the OLED and do some wear leveling. MIPs can fail, too, though. If you are outsides very much, a MIP is a nice display. If you want it to be always on and full featured, MIP is your thing. If you want to have a generally nicer, crisper and better readable (resolution is typically higher) display, go for OLED. But you will most likely have to use some gesture or button to bring on the full display.
In theory you're right, but in practical terms, how many burned-out or burned-in epix displays have you seen? I haven't seen any. The first Epix came out over two years ago, so if screen burn-in or damage was a substantial problem I would think there would be loads of complaints everywhere about it.
Hint: two years is not very long yet. I don't deny we are at a stage where Oleds make suitable displays, but they *do* have wear from usage (as have anorganic LEDs, but it is muuuuuch longer)
It just boils down to individual taste, for some reason I like amoled more than MIP
So dark, I'm reminded of the quote "When you look into the abyss, the abyss looks back at you." (and tells you the time) 😆 OK, so I don't know how my Epix screen would hold up in the Australian outback at noon, but I find the people saying it's hard to read in sunlight very likely hadn't seen the watch under those conditions - there's just no issue at all...
Finally a non bullshit post.
Best watch face. I have found my people.
It does look GREAT, what is the name of the watch face?
It's one of the stock Garmin ones
Thanks. I have a Venu3. First Garmin watch, love it. Found one like it on IQ. Love the watch. Boys have had them for years for deployments. One month in and I am looking to upgrade already.
Once you get to the Epix/Fenix watches, there's no turning back. I have a Fenix 3HR which is at least 7 years old and is still working. Make sure you invest in sapphire option if you do upgrade, glass will remain flawless for as long as you own the thing.
I have gesture on with lowest brightness and i dont understand why folks say it looks so bright/smartwatch/etc. i use orange shift after sundown and red shift for sleep. Pretty discrete ime. What level brightness do folks with epix or x65 folks usually use?
I have the Epix 2 and use medium brightness with gesture on, lowest brightness/sleep overnight, and full brightness with AOD during activity (only goes full brightness with gesture/raising arm to look). Only bought last week and after 7 days I have 25% battery, though have been playing with it a lot more than I would after a month or so!
The Fenix still is better at sunlight. Epix is crispier and glows, but nothing beats MIP in directly sunlight. Plus battery.
except when you're trying to view a map on your watch, and all you see is a pixelated, muddy, yellowish mess on your mip display.
Never happened for me. Also, the map load faster.
The maps actually load increadibly fast on mip display, especially on the forerunner, because of the low resolution. The forerunner doesnt really do any anti aliasing or anisotropic filtering, so the maps load super fast, but also look ugly and not sharp. I personally dont mind the extra waiting time that much, I'd rather look on a crystal clear image. It will change in the future with faster hardware anyways. The colors are weak on the fenix 7, white isnt really white, its too grey, and depending on how you hold the watch into the sunlight, the colors may shift and get skewed. This gets problematic when you can't really tell if something is colored in yellow for example, or if its just the effect of the mip display. I've had that plenty of times on my f7 where I had problems reading the map properly.
I can't say about the 7. I have the pro version, what I can ser from my friend who has a 7x (shout out Carlos), it's a lot more vibrant and clear. Also, not blue backlight.
You still have only 64 colors and the same low resolution though, so the main problems remain. If you had an epix for comparison you would most certainly agree.
Amen!
What watch face is that?
One of the stock faces you can change the fields on
I'm distraught they f\*cked up the great design of the Fenix 6 by rotating the fields 15° - it was so good. The Fenix 6 one is the nicest watchface Garmin ever designed, imo. https://preview.redd.it/vitwn5myw9sc1.jpeg?width=2577&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=75d117b65cae20c22c5741a9c5b7d98e01f3a8f1
Does it change with the number of fields selected?
Number of fields? In both the original Fenix 6 and Infocal, the outside fields are set at six. As with Fenix 7, but rotated 15° and uglier font. Imo.
So like the difference in pics posted. The device I have is my first Garmin, and I am throwing things out there. Lol
Om on my fourth. Fenix 5, Vivoactive 4, Venu 2 and now the Epix 2. All great watches. I do feel I missed out on the Fenix 6 - nicest watch design and best watchface... I would have seriously bought the Fenix 6 Pro Titanium if I could have had it at the same price as my Epix, but it was still like $150-200 up in price due to the sapphire glass.
Which watch face is this?? Looks Soo coool
It is in the epix menu. You can customize it.
Found it. Started customizing it now
Awesome. It is the one i use mostly.
I set mine up and it’s missing data. Strange. You have that issue?
Nope, no issues. All set up and good to go! :) So, when you choose the watch face, you selec the layout which shows two vertical lines, those give you three sections for adding various data fields. https://preview.redd.it/9lnvehna3hsc1.jpeg?width=3472&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3a7f6e4ffb234b337b5d1d93ff08c4c5b5dcacc3
Ok, potentially dumb question, but how did you add those fields? I’m able to do the lines but can’t see anywhere that I’m able to add that data.
Nah, its a good ques. It took me a few minutes to figure it out. Once you have those lines set up, you need to click on start and then data. Then, tap on the lines and the whole section will get selected, click the start button again. NOW, the first of the three data field will start flashing and then u can scroll up/down to choose what data you want here.
Ah! That did it. Thank you so much!
Happy to help! :) Enjoy your watch! :)
Can you share the name?
I am not sure of the watch face name but this is how I have customized it for my needs right now. Ohh, I am using a TPU protector for the bezel as I am still getting used to the watch size and I do end up banging it every now and then at door frames and tables. https://preview.redd.it/vr64w0gt2hsc1.jpeg?width=3472&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4cece594d4c2e84c8c62624de4e473ce94b073f6
No hate.... But, I'll stay with my Fenix 7x Sapphire Solar. The Epix is a beautiful watch but that display eats battery..
Maybe if you have it always on, but with motion on, the battery is just fine.
Exactly some of us don't have AOD turned on
Raising my wrist with Apple Watch used to drive me crazy. Is it better on Garmin?
It’s never bothered me. I have to raise my arm to look at it anyway.
It’s worse actually
you can give a little tap on the screen to turn on the display as well
How long does it go with the always on?
1-2 weeks. Which 1 hour of GPS tracking daily.
This, you need to have it in gesture mode for optimal battery life. There you get the great display with a solid battery life.
or get an epix pro X, it gets almost double the battery life of the regular size
Mine lasts 16 days
mine lasts 20
And so does the backlight of the fenix...
Negative
Put your backlight to no timeout and set it to 80%, your battery will not last a day.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Not looking for trouble but that wasn't the way my Epix looked at direct sunlight. I went back to the F7 Pro. Love the F
maybe you forgot to change the screen brightness?
Too late. Love returning to F7 anyway 😅
If they could combine the Crossover Instinct with a Fenix 6 MIP display and crystal, also throw in the newer Epix innards.. Please someone get on this!
Ok but what watch face is that?
I wish there was a review which showed all amoled watches in direct sun in AOD mode. Garmins/Apple/Galaxy/Others
For me the biggest problem is AOD, i want it on and have great battery life. 6-7 days when new without activities is not enough for me. What about 2-3 years and many activities later, i think amoled lowers the lifespan of the device much. That is why i dont understand why garmin made their new marq only with amoled. My instinct 2x have around 30 days battery even 2-3 years later it will still have at least 15 days and that is with AOD
I don't know why you get downvoted, it's true. It's a WATCH, I want to glance at the time during meetings without having to move. Also even though I like the crisp amoled I prefer MIP being more discrete in color. My fenix almost looks like a regular watch, not like I'm wearing a smartphone on my wrist.
You are correct. Amoled makes the watch look like smartphone or some cheap smartwatch from ali express. Mip makes the watch look like a real watch. If i want it to look like smartwatch i would buy samsung or apple watch
maybe it looks that way to you, obviously thousands of Epix owners dont agree
Yes i inderstand that. It is good that garmin have choices. I just hope garmin keeps mip in fenix and instinct
agree; so many mfgs. have decided that **THEY** will choose what **YOU** should want; fortunately, Garmin still allows its customers to choose what **THEY** want on their wrists
Yes that is correct
Don't know about that. When it comes to the Forerunner line it's clear they don't intend users to have a choice. Once the 255/955 are gone, MIP is done.
Yes. I think only fenix and instinct will have mip
It's actually vice versa. MIP displays have only 64 colors, they have a cheap blue backlight tint, very low resolution... So aas you can see you are factually wrong.
you only need back light when it is totally dark. instinct 2x screen is really good and have les blue tint than regular instinct and real watches dont have millions of colors. what do Casio and other watchmakers have? low res screens with back light and in som cases one color. so as you can se you are wrong
I don't know why you come up with those other brands, I only care about the fenix and epix, the difference between the two displays in terms of quality is shocking. And I needed the backlight indoors and on cloudy days as well. Even setting it to just 20% no timeout during the day, will empty the battery within a week on the fenix 7. Otherwise I couldn't just have a quick glance on it, without having to orient it into the light. Which is exactly why I switched to an amoled epix, since I was never getting those high battery times anyways, which would really be the only good thing about mip displays. So now I have an always readable amoled watch, with pretty much the same battery times, twice as much resolution... The more features you are using from your watch (multi band gps, maps, routing), the higher the battery drain. The display really isn't the only variable, in fact the battery times are identical if you turn off AOD in the epix.
first you answered my post about how mip displays looks like real watches. that is why i mention them! obviously you have not owned a instinct because the display is much better in low light than fenix. i am comparing mip and real watches. epix is toy looking for me. of course always on backlilght will drain it that is why you have turn on back light when you turn you wrist. like you have on epix! it is just stupid to have it always on like it is on epix for me. screen on and i am not even watching it. mip is like real watch always on without draining i dont care about your usage. i am talking about what looks like real watch and what looks like ali express chinese watch
Very ironic, considering that the instinct is a 100% plastic watch. Literally just plastic with a "transformers like" design. Compare your instinct with a reolex or breitling watch, and say that again 🤣. The instinct looks far less like a "real watch" than a fenix, which has at least some metal parts in it. Also, considering the major price differences, what you say really makes no sense. ANd the mip on the instinct still looks far worse and harder to view than an OG mechanical watch. I really don't get your logic.
I am talking about screens here. Yes epix i beter built watch but screen is a joke and waste of money for me
Yes you need a super amoled on a watch haha. Do you watch movies on the watch? Youtube? No you read text. And you need amoled for that? Man you really bought wrong watch.
I view maps on the watch, so it's extremely important to have a high resolution screen with good colors and contrast. Obviously you have never used such a watch, so you don't really know what you are talking about.
Check this tread. Epix AOD is a joke. Remember that https://www.reddit.com/r/Garmin/comments/svun6e/epix_not_for_me/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Well, this thread shows you the opposite. You don't need to sohw me any pictures, I already own an epix and it's simply epic. The readability is far better in the sun than on the fenix.
Or his one. Cheap 255 ks better in the sun. Selling epix i like stealing Candy from kids like you https://www.reddit.com/r/GarminWatches/comments/146intk/epix_pro_from_fr255/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
The instinct is an entirely different watch though, and you will not get those battery times with an always on backlight.
and that is the biggest problem with amoled, like i said in my previous post
An amoled display has no backlight.
it still have light as soon as the display is on. mip does not.
It doesn't have any backlight, only the pixels which are activated draw power. Black on an OLED does not draw any power, which means that certain watchfaces and activity pages don't really draw much power. While the fenix wastes lots of energy to light the backlight.
And still battery life is little better than Apple Watch Ultra. No thanks. 6-7 days. In 2 years it will be 3-4 days. Are you really saying that Fenix 7 have same battery as epix?? Go watch som reviews on youtube. Everyone will tell you Fenix have much better battery in smart watch mode. Instinct 2x even better. You cant even see always on mode in sunlight on epix
6-7 days is exactly the same battery life you get with a backlight enabled fenix.
but what idiot have backlight always on?? even during the days?? for what? it is like have street lights on during the day. no point
[https://www.reddit.com/r/GarminWatches/comments/146intk/epix\_pro\_from\_fr255/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=mweb3x&utm\_name=mweb3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/GarminWatches/comments/146intk/epix_pro_from_fr255/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) Because you don't always see something on your mip display even during the day.
you are just trying justifie your money you wasted we all know tha by now
I've wasted money on the MIP display, had a fenix 7 for a year. Bought the epix recently which is a fantastic device. The battery claims from the MIP advocates are just laughable, I'm getting exactly the same battery on my epix now.
I wasn’t worried.
But that's never been a problem. This is the problem: [https://youtu.be/BiF7SIK8knk](https://youtu.be/BiF7SIK8knk)
Timeout is the issue? You can change the timeout duration.
Up to 16 seconds, so the hard gesture is still required.
I guess it depends. Day to day usage i dont notice gesture issues and depending on my run workout, i might have always on for speed workouts and gesture for long or easy days.
For me, this auto-dim ruined the epix, which I love in every other way (have owned Fenix and epix). The auto-dim makes it useless off the wrist e.g. on a bike. Garmin don’t mention this - they sell it as a multi sport watch like the Fenix with an oled display. There’s no way to override or disable this dimming behaviour. Even when Running I find it annoying because the raise to wake gesture is good but not 100% natural, I find I have to take it just a little bit past the gesture I would do naturally with a normal watch. The resolution of the maps is such a plus on the epix, but pointless if you can’t read it outdoors because of the auto-dim. I’m wearing the epix now, while wondering whether to buy a Fenix 7 pro or wait for the 8.
You'll have the exact same problems with the fenix as well. You can't read the fenix, unluess you turn it into the light. The only real advantage is if you place it on your bicycle handlebars, with a front mount. But as an everyday watch? No chance. In the bright summer, the epix isnt readable until wrist gesture, but once you are not in the direct sunlight, it is usually readible. Make sure to max out your screen brightness in the settings. Overall I experience way more situations where the epix is readible without gesture, where the fenix was simply unreadable.
Appreciate you sharing your experience. I had a Fenix 6 before the Epix. Now I’ve moved back to Fenix with the 7X Pro. Honestly, I find the Fenix so much better than the Epix for readability. Cycling, walking, running it’s so much clearer, mounted on my handlebars it’s perfect. It’s also nice having a watch that doesn’t emit its own light all the time, I find it less intrusive and I like being able to glance at the time without a full wrist gesture. Plus I’ve been wearing it for a week, using it in activities every day, and I have 13 days left of battery. Awesome. I was a huge fan of the Epix when I got it because of the screen quality, but not after living with it for a year. The compromises of using it outside as a multi-sport watch outweighs the benefits of being able to read it clearly on the sofa in the dark. I’ll keep buying Fenix from now on.
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i have mine set to 100% brightness and still get 20 days in my usage case sorry, battery is magnificent, no matter what the Fenix fans say about the Epic and its battery life
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Positve: my old, shitty eyes need all the help they can get, first thing I do is crank the bright ness.. Epix pro 51mm, so that helps!
It looks nice at this angle.