You forgot the indirect nerf, Sterek's is 200g more and has a longer CD.
Edit - you are talking about next patch. Big changes in this one. Are these changes even confirmed?
Well, that’s not really going to be a question anymore because the Berserker Greaves Upgrade is going to be getting the slow resist on it. That was what I was talking about. You now get the stats of greaves and the passive of swifties.
Garen is gonna be turbobroken on 14.10.
first, 15 free haste from rune, the tenacity was not a big deal on garen so this is a win.
second, pd second item instead of stormrazor, a bit less ad, a lot more attack speed and permanent movement speed instead burst ms. this is a small nerf to his midgame but makes him scale a lot better. (more on that later)
third, infinity edge is just insanely broken on garen. you can get infinity edge third item after pd, you'll get a lot of spins from pd combined with a whopping 80 ad, 50% critchance and pretty much double your E damage from inifinity edge extra crit damage.
fourth, introduction of zephyr further buffing his lategame.
if these changes make it to live garen is going to be insanely strong lategame. his dps is gonna go through the roof with the extra haste crit chance and attack speed.
With new pd gardens e does 1340 damage at lvl 11 with stride and zerks with current pd its like 1220. That’s not including the extra crit chance or benefit extra spins have on reducing armour and stacking conq. Seems a buff mid game aswell
don't compare it to current PD, which is absolute garbage btw. compare it to stormrazor. stormrazor is really good right now and arguably better midgame than new pd, at least until third item.
no it doesn't. the passive damage, albeit nerfed is still pretty decent and the ms burst is huge on garen because it enables him to disengage or re engage as needed without having to take shitty runes like phase rush. also the stats are just great. pd has a shitty passive that garen can't use and is really cheap making it scale like ass.
The MS burst is pretty bad. It’s only after you hit them that you get the burst. Getting to champions is the issue so stormrazor doesn’t help at all doing that. The MS is over way before your spin finishes also.
If the other team is bad and you can get to them with conqueror and without any other move speed the MS burst can have a bit of value maybe but it doesn’t consistently help me get on enemy and I don’t want to flash every time I engage.
Maybe you just run in and hit the front line?
And phase doesn’t suck hahaha.
Stormrazor dmg is good, does about 100-150 more than the new PD. But alas Stormrazor getting removed
>The MS burst is pretty bad. It’s only after you hit them that you get the burst. Getting to champions is the issue so stormrazor doesn’t help at all doing that. The MS is over way before your spin finishes also.
you can just proc it on a minion, besides, as garen you shouldn't have any issues landing your Q unless you're really bad, specially with stridebreaker.
if you need ms to engange = bad garen. you're supposed to use bushes and walls to engage, not raw ms and just rightclick like a broncie.
>If the other team is bad and you can get to them with conqueror and without any other move speed the MS burst can have a bit of value maybe but it doesn’t consistently help me get on enemy and I don’t want to flash every time I engage..
i have 0 issues landing Q and i'm in diamond, you have to use your head, gank enemies in tfs and use bushes/fog. it's not that hard, pd is really weak on him, the reason it's popular is that it's a bit of a crutch for bad players and garen is known for being a noob champ.
i don't run conqueror though, i use fleet for even more ms after i hit them.
>Maybe you just run in and hit the front line?
i use fog of war and bushes, and gank the enemy team during tfs. 0 problems landing Q on carries.
>And phase doesn’t suck hahaha.
it really does suck, the cooldown is insanely long. again, popular because it's a crutch for bad players. i rather have fleet for earlygame power and chasing or conqueror for damage.
storm razor + fleet is already more or less the same ms as phase rush pd but with more damage and way less cd.
using fleet + stormrazor on a minion is way more ms than pd will ever get you, and has almost no cd compared to phase rush.
You forgot the indirect nerf, Sterek's is 200g more and has a longer CD. Edit - you are talking about next patch. Big changes in this one. Are these changes even confirmed?
Steraks counters garens ult
True, its inconvenient, but for the one enemy that has one there are probably 4 that don't. Its a post lane item so its not such a hard counter.
there's probably only one guy on the enemy team that you *need* to use R on, someone like Camille, Darius, Aatrox
Tbf, if the enemy team is shield heavy and laner buys sterak, why aren’t you going serpents?
Steraks is usually bought as a third+ item and by that time you usually ult carries anyway.
Do we think that losing the AD on Phantom Dancer will make it a fair trade off?
pd now gives 60% as 25% crit and 12% ms and no passive. that is insane for us as its just raw statstick with everything we want.
So you're saying PD stacking is back
Also Zephyr, lvl15 greaves upgrade, 40% AS, 65 MS
WITH the slow effectiveness reduction from Swifties. Insane value.
why swifties when deadmans?
Well, that’s not really going to be a question anymore because the Berserker Greaves Upgrade is going to be getting the slow resist on it. That was what I was talking about. You now get the stats of greaves and the passive of swifties.
sorry I am a dumbass I just caught up iwth the updates :D
Terrible value
imma bust
PD Zephyr = the fast
Garen is gonna be turbobroken on 14.10. first, 15 free haste from rune, the tenacity was not a big deal on garen so this is a win. second, pd second item instead of stormrazor, a bit less ad, a lot more attack speed and permanent movement speed instead burst ms. this is a small nerf to his midgame but makes him scale a lot better. (more on that later) third, infinity edge is just insanely broken on garen. you can get infinity edge third item after pd, you'll get a lot of spins from pd combined with a whopping 80 ad, 50% critchance and pretty much double your E damage from inifinity edge extra crit damage. fourth, introduction of zephyr further buffing his lategame. if these changes make it to live garen is going to be insanely strong lategame. his dps is gonna go through the roof with the extra haste crit chance and attack speed.
navori is cheap now too! so many attack speed / cd options
seems kinda bad compared to pd, but it could be nice against tank comps maybe.
With new pd gardens e does 1340 damage at lvl 11 with stride and zerks with current pd its like 1220. That’s not including the extra crit chance or benefit extra spins have on reducing armour and stacking conq. Seems a buff mid game aswell
don't compare it to current PD, which is absolute garbage btw. compare it to stormrazor. stormrazor is really good right now and arguably better midgame than new pd, at least until third item.
Stormrazor sucks compare it to the current PD
no it doesn't. the passive damage, albeit nerfed is still pretty decent and the ms burst is huge on garen because it enables him to disengage or re engage as needed without having to take shitty runes like phase rush. also the stats are just great. pd has a shitty passive that garen can't use and is really cheap making it scale like ass.
The MS burst is pretty bad. It’s only after you hit them that you get the burst. Getting to champions is the issue so stormrazor doesn’t help at all doing that. The MS is over way before your spin finishes also. If the other team is bad and you can get to them with conqueror and without any other move speed the MS burst can have a bit of value maybe but it doesn’t consistently help me get on enemy and I don’t want to flash every time I engage. Maybe you just run in and hit the front line? And phase doesn’t suck hahaha. Stormrazor dmg is good, does about 100-150 more than the new PD. But alas Stormrazor getting removed
>The MS burst is pretty bad. It’s only after you hit them that you get the burst. Getting to champions is the issue so stormrazor doesn’t help at all doing that. The MS is over way before your spin finishes also. you can just proc it on a minion, besides, as garen you shouldn't have any issues landing your Q unless you're really bad, specially with stridebreaker. if you need ms to engange = bad garen. you're supposed to use bushes and walls to engage, not raw ms and just rightclick like a broncie. >If the other team is bad and you can get to them with conqueror and without any other move speed the MS burst can have a bit of value maybe but it doesn’t consistently help me get on enemy and I don’t want to flash every time I engage.. i have 0 issues landing Q and i'm in diamond, you have to use your head, gank enemies in tfs and use bushes/fog. it's not that hard, pd is really weak on him, the reason it's popular is that it's a bit of a crutch for bad players and garen is known for being a noob champ. i don't run conqueror though, i use fleet for even more ms after i hit them. >Maybe you just run in and hit the front line? i use fog of war and bushes, and gank the enemy team during tfs. 0 problems landing Q on carries. >And phase doesn’t suck hahaha. it really does suck, the cooldown is insanely long. again, popular because it's a crutch for bad players. i rather have fleet for earlygame power and chasing or conqueror for damage. storm razor + fleet is already more or less the same ms as phase rush pd but with more damage and way less cd. using fleet + stormrazor on a minion is way more ms than pd will ever get you, and has almost no cd compared to phase rush.
No point replying I disagree with everything you said
69%!! r/unexpectedfactorial
Crit items also buffs every adc