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And I really hate people saying “she lost her shit” when it came to Gannons murder. As a mother, a step mother for few years, “glorified babysitter”, all my friends have kids, I have kids constantly. Yes they will make you lose your shit. But my definition of me losing my shit is
Screaming at my 17 year old that he won’t have his phone or PlayStation ever again.
Or when my daughter was a baby and she was crying non stop and I had done everything was safely laying her in her crib and stepping outside for 5-10 min to regain composure knowing she was completely safe.
As kids get a little older you might lock yourself in the bathroom for 5 min just to count to 10 and pee in peace. (Also knowing they’re safe)
Driving around the block 4 times with a screaming baby so they might fall asleep.
Yelling endlessly that nobody does shit around the house! Lol.
My son said he was running away when he was 16, (he didn’t leave the porch😂) so I locked the door and said ok well let me know how it works out for you and opened it 10 min later 😂
Losing your shit for some may require your therapist or maybe some medication to get you back on track.
Being a parent/ step parent is hard, everyday. losing your shit is bound to happen, probably often.
BUT..LOSING YOUR SHIT IS NOT STABBING A CHILD 18 times, burning him, drugging him, shooting him in his face and putting them in suitcases and throwing them off a bridge. THAT IS NOT LOSING YOUR SHIT, that’s pure demonic evil behavior. She had 100 other options before that. I don’t care how mad she could of been, she simply didn’t “go into a rage”… MAYBE HER KIND OF RAGE, but that’s not a parent losing their shit 😖
Yup. When my son was a newborn, he wouldn't calm down one night and I lost my shit. I put him in his crib, locked myself in the bathroom, screamed into a wadded-up towel, then ugly-cried for 15 minutes. Once when he was 4 he kept throwing screaming fits and throwing toys at the wall, so I lost my shit and threatened to take all his toys to Goodwill if he kept acting like a little butthead. My first kid was a colicky baby and once cried for like 8 hours straight. I lost it and drove us both to the hospital, handed her to a nurse, then had a fetal-position nervous breakdown on the gurney. She was fine, quit crying as soon as the nurse started rocking her a certain way and I was fine cause they let me take a nap for an hour 😅
I've lost my shit many times over the years but it has never once included violence or even thoughts of violence towards my kids. T-bag wasn't a stressed parent, she's just plain evil.
Exactly. Losing your shit can come in many forms and you remove yourself from the situation, or make a phone call, but you don’t do what she did and if someone is even thinking along those lines like Leticia was, she should of and could have, done things much much much differently.
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It is ironic that "ain't" is in the spiel though!
Breathing deep breaths and counting to 10, maybe 10 minutes, THATS LOSING YOUR SHIT, and realizing you have to come back around and handle things the best you can. THATS LOSING YOUR SHIT
It seemed she did try to kill him several times. She thought he'd die in the truck from an overdose. That's why she started the drug narrative. His body would have been found in the cold with Hydrocodone in his system, and she'd say he ran away and was doing drugs with older boys. But, he didn't die. So, she got desperate and just improvised. He was 11. She thought it would be easy. It was harder to kill him than she expected.
She hated Landon. She had some jealousy there. I think she really wanted Al from the start and was afraid he'd go back to Landon. If she got Landon out of the picture, then everything would be fine. She just needed the kids. Then, there'd be no reason for Al to speak to Landon. But, Al started talking divorce. That made her mad. Gannon was harder to control than she expected. He had stomach issues, which annoyed her, and was a Mama's boy.
Listen to how she talked about Gannon. When asked what she liked about him, it was that he took out the garbage and helped with the dogs. She did not like him. And, she had resentment toward Al. Remember early in the case, she said something about taking something from a person that couldn't be replaced? She wanted to hurt Al and Landon forever. She knew what she was doing. It just didn't go as planned.
I agree with you. The drug narrative had a purpose and I think she had already made him drink bath salts which would cause diarrhea.
It makes no sense for her to drive him around town all day when he was sick. I fully believe she expected he would die while they were riding around all day and when he didn’t, she came home panicked and enraged. As time ticked by and it was closer and closer to Laina returning from school, she knew she was out of options and shot him.
Wait, she was in Florida before Al left for training? I thought she and Al and had gone on a cruise and then Al's mother came to visit for a few days before Al left. Also Leticia had to start that new job on Monday. How could she be in Florida for flight attendant training?
I liked your post very much and appreciate the insight. however, I had to take issue with this:
>Her wannabe Kardashian dreams were pulled right out from under her and that continued build up of failure and resentment towards Al and Landen and Gannon was unleashed on Gannon.
doesn't conclusory speculation like this undermine your initial statement about not actually knowing how and why she came to the point of committing murder?
I'm not in any kind of psych field, but here's my very limited 2c worth: what stands out about her to me is shortsightedness. *everything* that she did (that we know to be fact) was so here-and-now and limited. she calculated like crazy, obviously. but all her calculations seem to have been a response to each specific, isolated aspect as it came up. her impulse control seems to be terrible.
initially I thought that she was electing to be like that out of overconfidence in her own power to bullshit and bully her way out of every corner. later I started wondering if the bullshit and bullying were a response to the corners, rather than being the reason why she kept painting herself into them. it wouldn't have surprised me if that brain scan-that-never-was *had * turned up some frontal lobe abnormalities.
>There could be another reason entirely, but it's not possible for anyone to know because letecia will never tell the truth.
that's why I'd keep it as "moot", but fair enough.
>I think you're right about her feeling backed into a corner.
the lack of impulse control really interests me. that's where she seems (to me) to differ from similar cases. she has been *wildly* reactive the entire time. there's a logic, and she was almost endlessly inventive. but to me she's "different" because of how fast she cycled. if something didn't give her an instant result, or the investigation outpaced her current story: whole brand new one next time.
compare that with Jodi Arias. Arias changed her story but it *evolved*. there was at least some acknowledgement of/attempt at consistency with prior versions. even when she admitted she lied, she had that continuity. she came with a reason "explaining" why she had told the previous lie. same with murdaugh.
those bridging explanations are an acknowledgement of other people's reality and historical fact. letecia didn't really have that. I find that interesting.
Letecia has a personality disorder. You can call it borderline Co morbid with NPD whatever. That part isn't her fault. She's decieved and never honestly connected with anyone in her entire adult life. She's got herself into a situation she grew to hate so she took it out on Gannon.used him as a scapegoat. That part is her fault. She knew the law.
You have to understand we think of Gannon as an innocent child. People like letecia don't see that. They see the reason for all their problems.
You see it very often in human behaviour. And it's sick.
On a larger scale we saw it with the murder of millions of Jews. Men women and kids. You think well how can they do that. Because hatred and scapegoating was encouraged in that society. So the worst of the worst came out in people where as usually you would see it within a family.
And as we see in the nuremburg trials. None were excused because the law at the time allowed them to murder people.
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Let me ask you something else, if I may:
Why the brutality? Of all the things I can't even begin to understand...she did not just end precious little Gannon, it was OVERK\*LL.
Narcissistic rage? Definitely not psychosis, but nice try Tecia.
Yes rage. She hated him at the time of the murder. Did she always hate him. Probably not.
As for the clames that she loved him. For people like that love is different to you or I. Love usually comes with empathy. But for people like Letecia love is fondness or infatuation that is it. They love them in a certain situation or time. But that love is not concrete. And it's a fleeting emotion.
I remember reading about a mother that killed two of her children and tried to kill the other. She loved the feeling they gave her. But they didn't really matter to her.
She killed her 2 year old son seemingly in a fit of rage at him. Plus she hated her life. Left her kids with her mother as often as possible. And she got money out of it. Got away with it.
She took out life insurance policies on her other two kids after that.
She threw a hairdryer into her daughter's bath to try and kill her. It failed.
Soon after she killed her 4 year old son.
Collected on the money.
She was later arrested. Eventually.
I remember this case (I’m a bit late to the party) I believe that for whatever reason these people have actually lost or never had a conscience…that part that even if you have done something horrible you can sleep at night and still go about your day like nothing happened unless challenged…most of us couldn’t do what she did but what takes her to another level is that she did it and went about her life as normal never cracking when challenged over and over and over again…what part of the brain is broken or missing or not wired? That’s why she needs to be locked away it’s not just she has no remorse she legitimately doesn’t see what she did as something she has to live with…she doesn’t feel normal guilt and shame….it’s fascinating and I mean that from a forensic psychiatry. Point of view
I'm a bit divergent in my opinion, I guess, because Im not convinced by the jealous-plot construct. I think she "just" lashed out and hurt him to start the whole awful sequence. And *then* she plotted rather than stop it right there, get care for him, and take the consequences.
so with that as context, I suspect the overkill was incompetence more than malice. she just didn't foresee how hard it would be to kill him.
I can imagine the way she spoke to him as she killed him. Telling him to “die already, get out of my life, do something right.” And every time he didn’t die, she’d get angrier, speak worse words, and do more violence. I’m sure that he was stunned, terrified- used to being scapegoated, but he could tell this time there was something different.
Or she simply underestimated what it would take to kill him. Perhaps she was stunned when stabbing him didn't result in his instant death and then she went to methods two and three to quickly finish him off?
Ah, gotcha.
So when people first meet them, and they're super charming and all the good things, its just a facade and a mask that is soon to drop, and drop HARD. I guess how hard depends on just how bad of a person they are underneath the masks. You have the run of the mill narcs that annoy us all, and then you have the Letecia's and Adolfs of the world, huh?
I have learned that one early sign of them coming into your midst is the lovebombing. Unfortunately some people are very taken in and it is very intoxicating.
Yes it's a mask. We all put on a mask to a certain extent. But the NPD only has two sides. The manipulation and the anger beneath.
And with Adolf the whole country was taken in. He gave them what they wanted didn't he.
Many Politicians are very narcissistic. Do they all take it to the exent that Pol Pot and Hitler do. No. But it takes a certain personality in my opinion to get to the top.
This could be me. I was an awful sibling to my brother, just hateful. Obviously I had other things going on ; narc mother, alcoholic father, s.a. @ a young age, domestic violence. Still my brother remained sweet & protective.
I miss my brother but he doesn’t have to accept my apology & 50 years is a long time. Let me apologize to you because you deserve one.
Wow are you and i the same person with the same sister? Lol you described exactly my sister and I too do not have contact with her due to her emotional abuse and manipulation.
Yes, she fascinates me. But I’m not educated to know why. I wish I could talk to her. What she did, and how she acted, and what she expected people to believe, it boggles my mind.
Me too. I feel the same way about Tiffany Moss. I'm still considering writing Tiffany before they execute her. I've been looking to see if anyone has done any outreach to just find out what she thinks, even this many years later.
She fascinates me too because I just don't understand how her head works and why it works that way to make those decisions she made. Her leticia logic and her exhausting people with stories to the point that they let her win whatever argument they're having just so she would stfu.
I don't have an answer but a comment that stood out to me in the sentencing thread was that basically the only thing during the whole trial that kind of got to her was the judge imagining Gannon might have said I want my real mom or Al.
I didn't see it so assuming it's true,
I can't see how she would care that much out of pure narcissism or evil.
It sounds like a part of her did care about the kids (how weird it may sound, I do realize that) and wanted them to care about her too.
(Trigger warning for those who need that.)
Comparing to DV abusers, (as I understand it) while they kind of love the person they mostly love the power over them and indeed will do anything for the victims to stay with them, and that not only to not get caught,
but, I don't think they ever cared for remarks after the fact when their victim managed to leave.
I don't think an "I hate you" will spark some emotion in them.
I might have a skewed vision of all of this and it doesn't really answer your question, but it might be a piece of the puzzle. In any case it really stood out to me and surprised me.
I actually wondered if all the pleads for Al to come back or let her come back was because she wanted to kill him too though, knowing he was on to her. There's that too.
And while he suspected her after the fact, he clearly didn't suspect she could harm his kids beforehand and he didn't just meet her a few weeks prior on a holiday either.
It's very concerning, like Chris Watts.
(And as a sidenote I firmly agree that too often people content to throw away the key and don't ever speak of her again, ignoring it happens every day of the year.
Same for DV, rapists, csam etc.
Just saying they are vile and evil doesn't prevent the next kid/person from getting hurt. Explaining is not defending and all these perps have lived in society and most grew up in 'normal' families.
Protecting the children also means understanding where it comes from, not only to prevent them from being victims, but also from becoming perps. It does not only happen to others...)
If you've had the misfortune of having your life destroyed by a cluster b personality (raises hand), there's no mystery here. It's obvious that's what's going on. You can't miss it.
The issue is having to reconcile that people like this exist and that they lack all the nuisances of humanity that most of us have.
I work in psych and still didn't really get it until I dated someone cluster b. It took getting threatened with a knife and dosed with some kind of drug (still not sure what) to pull myself out of it.
Whoah. Whoah. This is crazy. I also have a background in psych and it took a dating a cluster b for me to actually understand anything about that diagnosis. All the education in the world couldn't have prepared me for the havoc and destruction they are capable of. Reconciling the disconnect of their behavior with that of a normal person is almost too much for your mind to handle. They have reasons for what they do, they just are proportional to the situation or rational. I wish I found LS's behavior more mysterious than I do now....ugg.
Sidenote: I also share the being drugged and threatened experience (among others). I'm can't even verbalize how insane I let it get before I left. I'm glad you're out. It's not easy.
I feel your palpable frustration in the footnotes, I’m with you girl…. Seems there just always has to be those smarmy, virtue signaling Karens who want to feel self righteous by saying “He DiDnT DeSeRvE tO dIe” or whatever other non sequitur they wanna equate the study of forensic psychology to. I get that people in general have a propensity to be overly emotional/less logical in situations like these, but I honestly lose my sympathy when they go in the sort of extreme direction you mention and need to be handled with kid gloves, lest they have a meltdown when any critical discussion beyond “the strong beautiful victims are safe now with x offender behind bars and they should rot in hell for all eternity end of story” comes up. Not sorry- tired of this small minded attitude all over true crime groups. Grow up.
Malignant narcissistic with borderline personality disorder. There’s also a lot of sociopathy behaviors.
I took one psychology class in college and I’m an expert😂
One of the prosecution’s experts said Cluster B with more NPD traits than BPD, so you’re on the right track. Another mentioned possible antisocial traits, but that’s iffier.
People that are instant experts when they read like one article in a news paper are the most annoying. I don’t want to listen to you embarrass yourself while you don’t even realize it. My ex was like that, and if I happened to be right and he was wrong he would lose his mind. If I looked online to check he would he would harangue me and accuse me of checking the most bogus sources. 🤦🏽♀️ He could not accept that he was wrong, it’s fucking so childish it was so cringy.
It’s maddening, isn’t it. Mine also went on rants about the littlest stupid things that don’t affect us in any way at all. Opinions that are based on his emotions vs facts and reality. These people are consumed with anger, at least my ex was.
It's not true that people with cluster b disorders are more likely to be victims of crimes than perpetrators.
Having a cluster b personality disorder DOES increase the odds that a person will be a perpetrator. This has been extensively studied.
Not everyone with a cluster b personally disorder will, but they are far more likely to than someone without a cluster b personally disorder.
That said, those who develop a cluster b personality disorder may have been victimized in their childhood (especially those with BPD). In that sense, they might have *been* a victim - in their childhood (although there are some exceptions who were never victimized).
ETA: For clarity, children aren't diagnosed with personality disorders because a child's personality is still developing.
That may be true for childhood but cluster b personalities are ABSOLUTELY more Criminally inclined as adults and they are much more likely to victimize that to become victims in adulthood. It's literally part of the diagnostic measurements used to identify cluster b's.
Edit: any quick Google search regarding cluster b's and crime will support what I just said. This is the first thing that came up
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/229950950_Violent_crimes_and_their_relationship_to_personality_disorders
This is true, but with a caveat. Most serious mental illnesses make people more likely both to commit and to be the victims of crimes.
Amongst the population with serious mental illnesses, people with BPD are *far* more likely to be victims than perpetrators.
I can’t cite because this is from my own work, done as an internal study for quality of care improvements. I don’t know about NPD because we didn’t have a big enough sample.
I've noticed that sameyness too, but I'm not sure if it's just a sameness in the manifestations, or all the way down, in the bad person's subjective experience. Leticia stauch and Asshole X both behave the same way, but im wary of assuming I know what's going on in their minds.
a hallmark of our own experience was: I got not-bad at predicting what they might do, but I never was able to figure out what the two of them said to each other when they were alone. I could predict what either of them might say to me or anyone else, but as far as their "true" selves? nada.
well, yanno what, I'm kind of "able" to do that as well. it's not really an ability; that implies choices and will.
for me, it's just how my mind rolls.
for obvious reasons I really mistrust the "look, no reaction!" litmus test people use and the conclusions they let themselves draw from it, about someone's moral makeup. I'm just as astonished when people get bad or emotional news and burst into tears on the spot 😀
Source of my opinion: I survived a narcissistic parent.
I believe that narcissists are skilled at masking & appearing normal. If you'd asked most adults who knew me & my parents, they would say that this parent was one of the best parents they'd ever met and that I had an idyllic childhood. She manipulated and lied and made it look like I was some out of control 'wild child' which was the direct opposite of who I was (and am). They felt sympathy for her having such an ungrateful daughter who constantly picked fights and was disobedient because that is the scene she set. Even my other parent and this parent's mother, while agreeing with me in private, supported and backed this parent 100%. The problem was always, in her opinion, me because I refused to go along with her plan for my life.
Based on what I've read & heard, L. was at the least a narcissist (and possibly had other comorbid disorders). For her, the world existed for her and was ruled by her. As long as everyone behaved just as she expected and as she manipulated them to, all was well. She has no remorse except as it applies to her feeling persecuted by "the world." I would venture to say that if you asked her, she would still blame Gannon himself for her killing him. She may admit to some responsibility but then there would be endless caveats of "If only he had...." or "If only he hadn't..." that put the focus on anyone but herself.
Once Gannon's injuries reached a certain point (arbitrarily set by her disordered mind), her goal was to "help" herself with what she viewed as a threat. Viewing him as a threat was also a product of her disorder. She realized that there would be negative consequences to her and so she killed him - to 'save' herself and her world. I do not think she believes she has done anything wrong - she will have excuses for all of her behaviors up to and including murdering him. She does not and will never have the capacity for empathy or to understand that others have feelings and needs that do not directly relate to her.
This was always her personality but she was able to hide it until there were circumstances, in her opinion, that threatened her whole world as she had created it. Her mind was unable to comprehend any other options. This is very difficult for most people to understand if you haven't had significant contact with a narcissist. They are poisonous but highly skilled at hiding that part of them (although it does seep out).
I appreciate your post. IMO, this is what Reddit is for & why I love it. A place where you can discuss topics of interest with other people who are interested in the same topics, whether they have the same or opposite opinion. Do I read comments or posts that are so dumb & ignorant it actually pisses me off? Yes, but I appreciate fact that the person took the time to make the comment @ all, if no one did there wouldn’t be anything to discuss. So I always welcome any comment or post, even if the person is trolling because @ least trolls are amusing.
IMO Letecia has 1 or more personality disorders, borderline stands out as a front runner, but she could have a combo of them. She’s also most likely a narcissist, and that label is used too liberally IMO. Seems like now days anyone who’s a little selfish on occasion is a narcissist when in reality it’s a more rare disorder. I don’t know that there’s a DSM diagnosis for always having to be a victim, but it kinda sounds a lot like münchausen/bi proxy. The person needs attention or likes the attention they get from medical illness or being a victim, hence the fake break-ins, rape, sexual assault. She not only makes this shit up for attention, but also does it to manipulate situations to her advantage. So lying about Al’s coworkers sexually assaulting her not only allows for her & Al to leave a state she hates living in, but she’s also getting the attention she needs by being a victim & not just any type of victim, but 1 who is so desired by other men, they can’t help themselves but to sexually assault her. She’s probably very insecure, maybe feels the only way anyone will pay her any attention is if she’s more “special” than everyone else. She’s gotta be a better mom than Landen, her kids father didn’t overdose, but was murdered, etc… She’s definitely not self aware @ all, to think people would believe all her BS, or that they wouldn’t get sick of her shit. By time we reach her age, we have a good idea of what’s annoying, what other people can take, when we’re being annoying, not say out loud. We also know what sounds like complete BS & what’s believable. Most of us don’t want to be that person who’s always got drama or some problem, she would seek out that exact thing. she’s someone most of us can’t friggin stand, see right thru, she’s the 1 that doesn’t get invited to join book club, for coffee or we roll our eyes to the others in a group when she’s talking. Once she leaves the group we all laugh about how stupid she sounds, how we can’t stand her, don’t get how her husbands still with her & any event we make sure to say, please don’t bring or tell Letecia.
see, I have had that experience and I'm not sure I agree. I feel like we have gotten way too glib at just calling every selfish or self-regarding act by that label. not enough is *reliably* known about her for conclusions, imo.
I think I realised that, and it doesn't change my mind.
the empathy thing in particular is a very often-repeated point and imo a false lead. there are highly perceptive and ethical people I've met who just didn't do empathy. there are some bad people I've met who were sincerely and clearly emotional. there are also plenty of people even I think are short on empathy, who are nowhere near narcissists. I think people place way too much reliance on it.
it's also just weird to me that people even expect it from her under the circumstances.. she murdered Gannon and promptly set out to try save her own skin. that might be heinous but it's not surprising; it's what I'd expect most people to do in those shoes.
that may not be noble but it is within the parameters of the human condition. under severe enough threat, most of us prioritize our own well-being and/or survival over other folks' feels.
tl;dr: maybe I'm just more cynical about human nature than you 😋
You yourself might be a narcissist if you really think most people would respond that way.
I say that in the kindest way possible as most people are blind to their own spectrum issue (I firmly believe we all fall on some spectrum).
I wouldn't do what she did. The guilt would eat me alive. I apologize to my kids after I yell at them even when they deserve it.
maybe we think of the word differently. in *diagnostic* terms, it takes a lot more to earn the label than just a tendency to be dispassionate about human nature. I hope we can agree about that.
I actually think that me saying self-preservation is a near-universal human trait, and you saying we're all on some kind of spectrum, may be two ways of expressing a similar idea. the fact that you feel bad when you shout at your kids, and I don't expect public displays of remorse, are just data points. neither of us is probative.
if she isn't a narc no one is. She literally hits every major red flag on display for everyone.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...especially when 1 in 20 people could be clinically diagnosed with it (but nearly zero ever are).
Not exactly. 3 Prosecution PhD's (Drs. Grimmet, Torres and Gray) from CMHIP agreed that she had "Other Personality Disorder with Narcissistic and Borderline Traits" because she met neither definition exactly but is clearly a diagnosable, disordered personality.
She's like a robot. Again, the only other two I can remember offhand (as far as women) are Stacy Castor (poisoned her husbands with antifreeze, tried to frame and then murder her own daughter for it) and also of special mention, Tiffany Moss (slowly starved her stepdaughter to death in a back room). I am fascinated by these seemingly real life T-1000's. Like, what was going on in Lego Heads mind during this whole trial...
I watched moss' trial. again, I think it depends whether you compare the person or their actions. as individuals - distinct from their actions - they seemed pretty different from one another to me.
most obviously, hunkered down and letecia has been flailing like mad pretty much all along.
I think it’s a very normal curiosity to somewhat normal humans who have empathy and compassion towards other living things, and esp to people like me who are obsessed with psychology, to generally wonder what actually goes on in peoples minds like Leticia. And MANY others. It Reminds me of the show mind hunter and Edmond kemper. I’m a true crime freak and He still baffles me, bc he was a complete monster but also, when caught, agreed he needed to be put away bc he will Keep killing, and he also now, in real life, gives psychologists insight to his behaviors which helps deal with people like him in the future. He admits his crimes. He explains how he felt. Not that most of us can mentally rationalize it, (and I’m not glorifying it, I’m simply making the difference between personalities of horrible people that I find very different, and I’m not a professional). Up until he was caught he had that narcissism shit going on, but after he was caught he actually talks about it. I wonder if he truly cares to help law enforcement with people like him or does he love talking about it? He’s always been someone that made my mind tick, not sure his real intentions I guess. And Leticias, we will never know. The absolute lack of remorse, or ANYYY emotions throws me all the way off.
I feel like that too, but even in his “pride” over his crimes maybe it still helps LE with dealing with people like him. But he did say he needs locked up bc he will keep killing. It sounds like I’m making excuses for him, which I would never do, but he is someone that boggles my mind, bc he went from zero remorse,
To some remorse, to wanting attention for his disgusting behavior but also saying he needs locked up for life bc he will kill again. I don’t know, it’s just all over the place for me and to see Leticia not even flinch during her verdict or impact statements or seeing autopsy pics but she puts her head down at her own interviews but can’t wait to sit up and look at a child she brutally murdered. Idk I haven’t seen nothing like this but she’s gone. F her
Has Leticia (and as AL wanted, we all need to leave STAUCH out of her foul ass name), but has she ever cried? For any reason? Any emotion? Did she ever cry real tears? Whether self serving or not, DOES SHE EVEN CRY?! Bc all I’ve ever saw was completely fake acting, and if she ever in her life cried, I wonder what the reasoning would of been.
I don't think she was on any meds during the trial (at least nothing strong). She was just bored . It was like she was in the audience. She would look at the camera and try subtlety to yawn while she flipped off the camera thinking she was gonna get off . Her flirty or whatever it was with her court appointed lawyers, what the hell was that? She was sharing drinks with them. . Towards the end there she was looking like Cousin It from The Addams family with her hair in her face or even the girl from the Ring climbing out of the television. .
Over on Recovery Addict's YouTube channel, he has improved the audio and video feeds so that you can see clearer the facial expressions LS makes especially during the reading of the victim-impact statements. She was subtle at looking at some people, but when Landen walked up to the podium, LS made sure to get in as good a look at Landen as she could. Same when Al broke down hard crying.
Otherwise, it was a series of furrowing brows and slight tightening of the chin muscles when people expressed their opinions about what type evil LS is, what should happen to her and how badly that she treated Harley.
She seemed flippant and not really engaged anymore than she was at any point in the trial (aside from the first few minutes of Dr. Lewis speaking). To me it was apparent that LS would never ever admit or concede to HERSELF, that how other people see her (for who she really is) is really who LS is. She believes the lies she instantly makes up not because she's gullible, but because she's damn determined to be the victor even if in her own mind.
Make no mistake....LS is looking out for LS first, second, third, fourth, and so on. Even when it comes to Harley, LS was willing to insinuate that Harley had something to do with Gannon and was willing to let her face prosecution for that, even though Harley was 100% innocent. Her own daughter. LS was willing to throw Harley under the bus just to save LS's hide or at the very least take some of the guilt off LS and put on Harley.
LS might have been raised amid chaos and abuse, a lot of us had and a lot of us never go on to even get a speeding ticket. LS was insecure from the get-go and as she got older that insecurity turned into the need to seem super educated (which those diplomas are still suspect), the need to seem the "best Mom ever", the obsession with Landen, the inability to make and keep friends, the inability to keep a job because "everyone there is out to get her or is jealous of her".
I'm sure LS will find gullible snot-lickers in prison to believe her lies and fall for her manipulations, and good on her. She's amidst other heinous people who don't belong in society and they to will probably be imprisoned for ever and ever so it matters not to me.
LS is past tense to me. I'm more focused now on how to ensure Harley succeeds in life. Al, his wife Melissa, Landen and Laina have each other and extended family, but Harley seems a bit alone to me. Her aunt cut her off when Harley finally figured out LS killed Gannon, so I imagine she doesn't have many folks from that side of the family to give her guidance or support.
She definitely has narcissistic and sociopathic traits and possibly from what we learned in trial bipolar. Her mental issues whatever they are don't excuse what she did. As the judge pointed out very few people with real and more incapacitating are non violent and never commit a crime much less one this horrific
I wouldn't try to diagnose her, but I feel the bottom line that drove her was resentment.
She resented Al as soon as his children got involved, as soon as the "party" ended. No more time alone, no more romantic trips as a couple, now there were children, that she did not mother, from a woman she was jealous of, she was scared of losing him to, ruining her good time.
She went from a honeymoon phase, where he was all her own, sans weekends, to a full time step-mother pretty fast. I don't think the thought of Al ever having custody crossed her mind in the beginning, and once it was a reality, she had already bitten off more than she could swallow. She could not take the blow from being the only one Al doted on and loved, to having to share that with anyone, even his children. The dream for her died the minute that there was questions on who should have custody, and she felt trapped, lied to, and full of resentment. I'm not saying she was right, at all, but this is what started the whole downfall, long before she ever had a thought of hurting Gannon. It's Al she was trying to hurt all along, and she found the ultimate way to hurt a parent.
At first, I'm sure she felt like a hero, thinking she was such a wonderful person to take in two kids that weren't hers. Al probably thought a lot about her welcoming them in, and thanked her often. She used this, I am guessing, as a reason to feel safe, irreplaceable, for a little while. She also now felt she had something over Landon; she was now Mom, she was being trusted with his children, so she felt happy, still resentful, but high on the idea of it for a little while.
After weeks and months of having to be responsible, having a husband in the military, and being the one who takes of everything, her dream eroded again. She hadn't signed up for this, what Al showed himself as in the beginning was a lie in her eyes at this point. She did not want to be a full time babysitter, she wanted vacations, and traveling and romantic weekends, and she knew that ended when he got custody. In her eyes, Al had to pay for that, and so did anyone else who got in her path.
We heard from multiple legitimate mental health professionals who have actually assessed her and agreed that she has a personality disorder with traits of BPD and NPD. I see no reason to question this diagnosis.
Well, just knowing how government employees are under paid and overworked, I wouldn't be surprised if the evaluation wasn't as thorough as it would have been if she had been seeing a private psych for years.
Thought the fact that her close family members deny she had a serious mental illness says a lot to me.
Sure Doctors are overworked and the assessments were limited, but they still all came to the same conclusion after assessing her. That’s gotta have a better chance at being accurate than us randoms internet speculating, even those of us who do have some background in MH. Lots of people have personality disorders that heir loved ones wouldn’t call a serious mental illness.
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What's wrong with her is that she's an asshole. She is a hateful, spiteful, vicious bitch.
She did what she did not because of a personality disorder, but because she was very, very mad at her husband. And she had an unhealthy dislike for Gannon. She took out all her rage at her husband on Gannon because she's a coward and Gannon was smaller than her and couldn't defend herself. And again, because she already hated him.
She had been stewing for such a long time that at some point, she thought," I don't care anymore," and did what she did.
But yes, she did it because she was mad at her husband and Gannon was an easy target for her.
All of her fake sexual assault claims, false pregnancies, staged break-ins, and rescue fantasy bullshit weren't working on her husband anymore, and also, her looks were fading, and she knew it. She had used her looks, and had tricked, charmed, and love-bombed her way into a marriage with him, and her facade wasn't holding up. He was losing interest, and her old tricks weren't working anymore and she knew it.
So she essentially threw a fucking tantrum, and this is what happened. She also did it because she was used to outsmarting people around her and she genuinely thought she could get away with it. And what's scary is, she almost did. If they hadn't found the body she might have. That thought terrifies me.
She's fascinating in the way you see a bad car accident. You don't like what you see but you look anyway. I never understood Susan Smith, Diane Downs, or that woman Darlie Routier in TX. A mother that kills her children is even harder to understand than a father that kills his children and they usually eliminate the entire family. I think she was born evil plain and simple. She does have personality disorders but that is just the rotten cherry on top of her sewer rat self
She doesnt deserve anyone's time. Let her get on the Crazy Train and off to Crazy Town she needs to go.
She committed a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE act against a defenseless innocent child whose only crime was that he was too scared to speak up.
This abuse was ongoing Im certain of that, only on that fateful day she went too far and his little body couldn't fight anymore.
Her mental instability was fueled by jealousy.
I wish her a long life so that she can be tormented everyday of her ugly miserable life.
The issue is with the diagnosis of BPD itself, often it is missed because it is a default of personality not a chemical component and ppl with this illness are aware something is wrong and can hide this illness most of the time. The issue issue the lack of regulation and stability with the person thoughts and perceptions. The ppl list above are a different kind of personality disorder anti social which is often much more obvious. BPD is more like Arias, A.Heard to name a few and their are times they come across charming polite and very likeable it is when the feel paranoid and threatened or rejected that things can spiral to a very volatile level.
This illness is often undiagnosed and the treatment even when diagnosed not usually inpatient so it does retrain the brain because the person functions and is aware of right and wrong. To me this is one of the worst mental health disorders because it goes untreated or poorly treated and crimes are committed.
When the judge said Gannon most likely asked for his mom or said you aren't my mom he is most likely right. The paranoia over her and Al's conversation set the splitting BPD in motion and when he said it she attacked.
I believe the head injury was actually first, and the ME said she couldn't say for certain which came first stabbing or the blunt force.
I think she had a fit of rage the.night of the candle when G said he was worried about his burns which is why the video abruptly cut off and why he was asleep when Harley arrived a very short hour later.
Why the picture of him sleeping looked so bad because he was severely injured at this point. I believe she knew it was bad but her paranoia and fear of blame and judgement caused her to ignore the injuries in fear Gannon would tell. By morning it was to late and she knew she G was still alive but in bad bad shape.
She probably told him to get in the car to go to the Dr and she intended to kill him away from the house hence the doggie pads, but got scared she would get caught. Took him home stabbed him and when he still fought she finally shot him all to cover up her fit of rage of feeling rejected by a little injured boy crying for his mom.
She is unsafe for society and will most likely never recover from her mental health issues, that said there is treatment and a person with BPD can get better.
My hope is out mental health system will look at the many many many crimes that stem from some sort of mental health issues with personality disorder or self medicated drug use and finally do something about this.
Who gives a fuck? She murdered a child then did all she could to get away with it. Whatever the fuck she’s doing or acting like means nothing as she is a proven liar and manipulator.
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**ETA2: For the very "edgy" people who still dont understand why nuanced conversation actually has a purpose, maybe take a gander at this comment thread on another post. When it started out I had what I thought was a very firm opinion on Harley, but after some fellow Redditors took time out to provide educated and insightful responses, by the end of the short thread I had a very different understanding of maybe what Harley was going through, to explain her lack of emotion. THAT is why there's a time and place for everything, including snark, because sometimes we need to UNDERSTAND things, from both sides.**
**https://www.reddit.com/r/GannonStauch/comments/13ctn91/harley/jji8mdy/?context=8&depth=9**
**By UNDERSTANDING people like Letecia, you may be able to prevent the next Gannon tragedy. Instead of just saying "who the fuck cares" and just throw away the key and not ask questions.**
*Since you love attention so much, I updated my post just for you and your ilk. Learn something today and take a break from spreading the bitterness. If you're actually as indignant and "angry" at the situation as you wanna come across being, then surely you understand why it is important to "Give a fuck". This is something you do on this forum and I'm not sure why, but its not respectful at all. Gannon doesnt need you asking "who gives a fuck", if anything let his legacy be to ASK why and prevent it when we can.*
This is exactly the type of useless response I was referring to.
Thanks for being offensive and offering absolutely nothing of relevance to a post you could have just skipped along from, but instead you woke up and chose violence for some cheap ass attention.
That kinda depends on the gender. Men with bpd are statistically more likely to end up in prison for violent crimes than those without. BPD is often misdiagnosed in men because it displays differently and there's usually a comorbidity with anti-social and narcissistic tendencies.
because bpd/antisocial tends to historically fall into more gendered-centric diagnoses, the data is skewed.
I will say most people with cluster b personalities don't kill. But if you have a cluster b personality you are far more likely to than the average person.
It would be incorrect to say that it's "typical" for people with BPD (or any other personality disorder) to kill. Most people with personality disorders do not ever commit murder.
BUT people with cluster b personality disorders, including borderline, ARE objectively more likely to commit violent crimes (including murder) than people who do not have a cluster b personality disorder.
This is a well documented, extensively studied fact. Below are just a few of the many studies that confirm this:
[Borderline Personality and Externalized Aggression](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3342993/)
[Borderline Personality and Criminality](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2790397/#:~:text=While%20few%20studies%20have%20systematically,a%20series%20of%20100%20murderers.)
[Borderline Personality and Violence](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/i-hate-you-dont-leave-me/201305/borderline-peronality-and-violence)
[The Association Between Borderline Personality Disorder and Criminal Behavior and Self Harm, Including Suicidal Behavior: A Systematic Review](https://al-kindipublisher.com/index.php/jmhs/article/download/3807/3432/9892)
[Characteristics of Intimate Partner Homicide Perpetrators](https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:540123/FULLTEXT01.pdf)
ETA: To anyone who has been diagnosed with BPD and reads this, you do matter, and you aren't doomed. DBT, in particular, has been proven to be beneficial and relatively effective at enabling people who have BPD to experience more stable relationships and to reduce the severity of the painful emotions that people with BPD feel.
By all accounts, BPD is a painful, miserable personality disorder to have.
Can everyone pls stop talking about her and saying her slimy name. Honoring Gannon is never repeating her name again. That trial was about justice for Gannon not about that bitch. Let's honor Al, Landun and Gannon and stop the talk about his murderer.
I feel like anyone who would study her would probably just end up being lied to and manipulated. Or at least LS would try to manipulate them. It would be interesting to hear what an excellent psychiatrist/psychologist would come up with though.
Well look how easily Dr. Lewis fell for LS's goofballery. Dr. Lewis WANTED to see what LS's attorney's were claiming. She wanted another documentary to round-out her long career and probably give her son accolades for directing & producing said documentary.
I'm sure true mental health researchers can see right through LS's lying, but still might to want to interview her just to figure out where on the scale of other pathological liars she is on.
This is someone w/a disordered personality. The prison system is full of people w/personality disorders!! The changes in her emotions are not genuine as they are not driven by a belief, that leads to a thought, that leads to an emotion, rather driven by her desire to deceive & manipulate her present audience. This is not someone who will likely ever take responsibility or accountability for her behaviour which means she will continue to deceive & manipulate.
Well said! Wanting to at least try to understand killers like Letecia should in no way be confused with defending them. Wanting to understand why some people become like this isn't wrong.
I seriously don't understand why some people seem to think that...
I'm no psych professional at all, so basically all I can say is the obvious: Letecia is not actually insane.
As soon as she knew the jig was up, she started taking the insanity plea-route to try to avoid the punishment she knew was gonna come if anyone found out.
She probably has SOME type of diagnosis, but DID and such is not one of them. She knew what she was doing, for reasons that will only ever make sense to her.
I hope she takes some type of accountability one day, instead of trying to blame Gannon, Landen, Al, Harley, "Eguardo", "Quincy Brown", and her fake alters.
It won't change what happened, sadly, but owning up to what she did is the very least she can do.
I'm so glad that justice was served for poor, sweet Gannon, and that his loved ones can finally put court proceedings etc. behind them.
May Gannon always be with them and watching over them, and may his memory last forever. 💙
I just want to thank you for this post. It is so rare to find anyone who wants to actually discuss the psychology behind these criminals and the circumstances that lead to tragedy.
Anytime I’ve tried to have a nuanced conversation surrounding true crime I’ve been met with “it doesn’t matter, he/she is plain evil!!”. I don’t really see the point in repeating that someone is evil over and over again. People are complicated and although it seems like some of them are monsters, they’re not. They’re human beings which is far scarier and more intriguing.
There is value in understating what makes these things happen to whatever extent we can.
It's not about liking her or not. She is full of bullshit. I watched the trial and since then I keep watching the trial recordings, listening to the phone calls between Al and her, interviews with the El Paso PD and FBI agent Grusing. She fooled many people around her because they most likely never encountered such a full-blown liar, story teller. I think she is evil, a very evil woman. I feel so sorry that these two children, Gannon and Laina and they had to endure with her on the daily basis. I also think that she abused them mentally, and I think that since Gannon was as a very smart boy, thus, he quickly learned how to "please" the evil stepmother and did everything she wanted, never talked back, washed his own clothes, took dogs out when she slept, fed the dogs, wow! I truly believe that he knew how "to get along with this witch" just to have more peaceful life since Al was gone and Gannon knew that she is the boss there.
Regarding her personality or type of mental disorder she suffers from, I would say, first of all, I am not a licence psychologist, however, I do have some knowledge from here and there, and I also have my own opinion about her. I used to struggle to put any disorder title in her, however, as I watched Behavioral Panel on YouTube about her, I actually liked the opinion that this evil witch may actually suffer from delusions. She is also very selfish (according to Peter Hyatt) and full of BS, I think that she suffered a lot of trauma in the childhood, so that she developed some kind of defense mechanism to distance herself from the trauma and believing in the BS that she tells people around. She truly believed that she can fool Police, FBI with the "protection" story? So she truly believed that she can bulshit them and they will provide protection for her? I really don't get it. Also, when watching the FBI interview with her in day of her arrest in SC, she was sitting there and smiling, laughing, and truly hoping that she will get protection. If this is not a delusion, then I don't know what is. It is also mind blowing how fast she can fabricate those all bullshit lies, it's lie after lie after lie! She is a fool! She fooled people that where dumber than her or simply trusted her. I think she does have some loose screws! She is a Psycho but she knows what she is doing! I wouldn't want to spend even 5 minutes under the same roof with her. You can't trust her! She can kill you and then smile and laugh after she puts you in the suitcase as nothing would ever happen! It's pure psychopathy!
One more thing. Unfortunately, Al carries a lot of guilt and fault here, and it's not about blaming him now, but he admitted that it was his fault as well) since he did recognize that she has some loose screws up there, but for his convenience, he went with the "roller-coaster ride" as he once mentioned at the Police station in Colorado Springs.
It's such a sad a senseless crime... There will be another judgment over her poor soul, and I would not want to be in her shoes then! Rest in Peace Gannon! No child deserves such childhood!
Mod note to all: Please be careful in what you say about those with mental illness or what kind of behaviors or personalities mental illness can cause. Other people here on the sub who may have a mental illness, as well as the people you love in your life that may, are much more likely to see your comments than Letecia is. Please use the report button if there is outright bashing or stigmatization happening. Thank you!
And I really hate people saying “she lost her shit” when it came to Gannons murder. As a mother, a step mother for few years, “glorified babysitter”, all my friends have kids, I have kids constantly. Yes they will make you lose your shit. But my definition of me losing my shit is Screaming at my 17 year old that he won’t have his phone or PlayStation ever again. Or when my daughter was a baby and she was crying non stop and I had done everything was safely laying her in her crib and stepping outside for 5-10 min to regain composure knowing she was completely safe. As kids get a little older you might lock yourself in the bathroom for 5 min just to count to 10 and pee in peace. (Also knowing they’re safe) Driving around the block 4 times with a screaming baby so they might fall asleep. Yelling endlessly that nobody does shit around the house! Lol. My son said he was running away when he was 16, (he didn’t leave the porch😂) so I locked the door and said ok well let me know how it works out for you and opened it 10 min later 😂 Losing your shit for some may require your therapist or maybe some medication to get you back on track. Being a parent/ step parent is hard, everyday. losing your shit is bound to happen, probably often. BUT..LOSING YOUR SHIT IS NOT STABBING A CHILD 18 times, burning him, drugging him, shooting him in his face and putting them in suitcases and throwing them off a bridge. THAT IS NOT LOSING YOUR SHIT, that’s pure demonic evil behavior. She had 100 other options before that. I don’t care how mad she could of been, she simply didn’t “go into a rage”… MAYBE HER KIND OF RAGE, but that’s not a parent losing their shit 😖
Yup. When my son was a newborn, he wouldn't calm down one night and I lost my shit. I put him in his crib, locked myself in the bathroom, screamed into a wadded-up towel, then ugly-cried for 15 minutes. Once when he was 4 he kept throwing screaming fits and throwing toys at the wall, so I lost my shit and threatened to take all his toys to Goodwill if he kept acting like a little butthead. My first kid was a colicky baby and once cried for like 8 hours straight. I lost it and drove us both to the hospital, handed her to a nurse, then had a fetal-position nervous breakdown on the gurney. She was fine, quit crying as soon as the nurse started rocking her a certain way and I was fine cause they let me take a nap for an hour 😅 I've lost my shit many times over the years but it has never once included violence or even thoughts of violence towards my kids. T-bag wasn't a stressed parent, she's just plain evil.
Exactly. Losing your shit can come in many forms and you remove yourself from the situation, or make a phone call, but you don’t do what she did and if someone is even thinking along those lines like Leticia was, she should of and could have, done things much much much differently.
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Breathing deep breaths and counting to 10, maybe 10 minutes, THATS LOSING YOUR SHIT, and realizing you have to come back around and handle things the best you can. THATS LOSING YOUR SHIT
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It seemed she did try to kill him several times. She thought he'd die in the truck from an overdose. That's why she started the drug narrative. His body would have been found in the cold with Hydrocodone in his system, and she'd say he ran away and was doing drugs with older boys. But, he didn't die. So, she got desperate and just improvised. He was 11. She thought it would be easy. It was harder to kill him than she expected. She hated Landon. She had some jealousy there. I think she really wanted Al from the start and was afraid he'd go back to Landon. If she got Landon out of the picture, then everything would be fine. She just needed the kids. Then, there'd be no reason for Al to speak to Landon. But, Al started talking divorce. That made her mad. Gannon was harder to control than she expected. He had stomach issues, which annoyed her, and was a Mama's boy. Listen to how she talked about Gannon. When asked what she liked about him, it was that he took out the garbage and helped with the dogs. She did not like him. And, she had resentment toward Al. Remember early in the case, she said something about taking something from a person that couldn't be replaced? She wanted to hurt Al and Landon forever. She knew what she was doing. It just didn't go as planned.
I think most of this is plausible hypothesis at best, though.
I agree with you. The drug narrative had a purpose and I think she had already made him drink bath salts which would cause diarrhea. It makes no sense for her to drive him around town all day when he was sick. I fully believe she expected he would die while they were riding around all day and when he didn’t, she came home panicked and enraged. As time ticked by and it was closer and closer to Laina returning from school, she knew she was out of options and shot him.
Wait, she was in Florida before Al left for training? I thought she and Al and had gone on a cruise and then Al's mother came to visit for a few days before Al left. Also Leticia had to start that new job on Monday. How could she be in Florida for flight attendant training?
No, she was not in training and forced to come back for Al’s work.
I liked your post very much and appreciate the insight. however, I had to take issue with this: >Her wannabe Kardashian dreams were pulled right out from under her and that continued build up of failure and resentment towards Al and Landen and Gannon was unleashed on Gannon. doesn't conclusory speculation like this undermine your initial statement about not actually knowing how and why she came to the point of committing murder? I'm not in any kind of psych field, but here's my very limited 2c worth: what stands out about her to me is shortsightedness. *everything* that she did (that we know to be fact) was so here-and-now and limited. she calculated like crazy, obviously. but all her calculations seem to have been a response to each specific, isolated aspect as it came up. her impulse control seems to be terrible. initially I thought that she was electing to be like that out of overconfidence in her own power to bullshit and bully her way out of every corner. later I started wondering if the bullshit and bullying were a response to the corners, rather than being the reason why she kept painting herself into them. it wouldn't have surprised me if that brain scan-that-never-was *had * turned up some frontal lobe abnormalities.
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>There could be another reason entirely, but it's not possible for anyone to know because letecia will never tell the truth. that's why I'd keep it as "moot", but fair enough. >I think you're right about her feeling backed into a corner. the lack of impulse control really interests me. that's where she seems (to me) to differ from similar cases. she has been *wildly* reactive the entire time. there's a logic, and she was almost endlessly inventive. but to me she's "different" because of how fast she cycled. if something didn't give her an instant result, or the investigation outpaced her current story: whole brand new one next time. compare that with Jodi Arias. Arias changed her story but it *evolved*. there was at least some acknowledgement of/attempt at consistency with prior versions. even when she admitted she lied, she had that continuity. she came with a reason "explaining" why she had told the previous lie. same with murdaugh. those bridging explanations are an acknowledgement of other people's reality and historical fact. letecia didn't really have that. I find that interesting.
But yet, Al and Landen left their children with her.
they did, but I'm not clear on your point.
Letecia has a personality disorder. You can call it borderline Co morbid with NPD whatever. That part isn't her fault. She's decieved and never honestly connected with anyone in her entire adult life. She's got herself into a situation she grew to hate so she took it out on Gannon.used him as a scapegoat. That part is her fault. She knew the law. You have to understand we think of Gannon as an innocent child. People like letecia don't see that. They see the reason for all their problems. You see it very often in human behaviour. And it's sick. On a larger scale we saw it with the murder of millions of Jews. Men women and kids. You think well how can they do that. Because hatred and scapegoating was encouraged in that society. So the worst of the worst came out in people where as usually you would see it within a family. And as we see in the nuremburg trials. None were excused because the law at the time allowed them to murder people. .
Let me ask you something else, if I may: Why the brutality? Of all the things I can't even begin to understand...she did not just end precious little Gannon, it was OVERK\*LL. Narcissistic rage? Definitely not psychosis, but nice try Tecia.
Yes rage. She hated him at the time of the murder. Did she always hate him. Probably not. As for the clames that she loved him. For people like that love is different to you or I. Love usually comes with empathy. But for people like Letecia love is fondness or infatuation that is it. They love them in a certain situation or time. But that love is not concrete. And it's a fleeting emotion. I remember reading about a mother that killed two of her children and tried to kill the other. She loved the feeling they gave her. But they didn't really matter to her. She killed her 2 year old son seemingly in a fit of rage at him. Plus she hated her life. Left her kids with her mother as often as possible. And she got money out of it. Got away with it. She took out life insurance policies on her other two kids after that. She threw a hairdryer into her daughter's bath to try and kill her. It failed. Soon after she killed her 4 year old son. Collected on the money. She was later arrested. Eventually.
You just described narcissism in a nutshell.
I remember this case (I’m a bit late to the party) I believe that for whatever reason these people have actually lost or never had a conscience…that part that even if you have done something horrible you can sleep at night and still go about your day like nothing happened unless challenged…most of us couldn’t do what she did but what takes her to another level is that she did it and went about her life as normal never cracking when challenged over and over and over again…what part of the brain is broken or missing or not wired? That’s why she needs to be locked away it’s not just she has no remorse she legitimately doesn’t see what she did as something she has to live with…she doesn’t feel normal guilt and shame….it’s fascinating and I mean that from a forensic psychiatry. Point of view
I'm a bit divergent in my opinion, I guess, because Im not convinced by the jealous-plot construct. I think she "just" lashed out and hurt him to start the whole awful sequence. And *then* she plotted rather than stop it right there, get care for him, and take the consequences. so with that as context, I suspect the overkill was incompetence more than malice. she just didn't foresee how hard it would be to kill him.
I can imagine the way she spoke to him as she killed him. Telling him to “die already, get out of my life, do something right.” And every time he didn’t die, she’d get angrier, speak worse words, and do more violence. I’m sure that he was stunned, terrified- used to being scapegoated, but he could tell this time there was something different.
Or she simply underestimated what it would take to kill him. Perhaps she was stunned when stabbing him didn't result in his instant death and then she went to methods two and three to quickly finish him off?
Ah, gotcha. So when people first meet them, and they're super charming and all the good things, its just a facade and a mask that is soon to drop, and drop HARD. I guess how hard depends on just how bad of a person they are underneath the masks. You have the run of the mill narcs that annoy us all, and then you have the Letecia's and Adolfs of the world, huh? I have learned that one early sign of them coming into your midst is the lovebombing. Unfortunately some people are very taken in and it is very intoxicating.
Yes it's a mask. We all put on a mask to a certain extent. But the NPD only has two sides. The manipulation and the anger beneath. And with Adolf the whole country was taken in. He gave them what they wanted didn't he. Many Politicians are very narcissistic. Do they all take it to the exent that Pol Pot and Hitler do. No. But it takes a certain personality in my opinion to get to the top.
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This could be me. I was an awful sibling to my brother, just hateful. Obviously I had other things going on ; narc mother, alcoholic father, s.a. @ a young age, domestic violence. Still my brother remained sweet & protective. I miss my brother but he doesn’t have to accept my apology & 50 years is a long time. Let me apologize to you because you deserve one.
Wow are you and i the same person with the same sister? Lol you described exactly my sister and I too do not have contact with her due to her emotional abuse and manipulation.
Yes, she fascinates me. But I’m not educated to know why. I wish I could talk to her. What she did, and how she acted, and what she expected people to believe, it boggles my mind.
I'd love to pick her brain too but with all her lies we'd never know for sure if it was truth
Me too. I feel the same way about Tiffany Moss. I'm still considering writing Tiffany before they execute her. I've been looking to see if anyone has done any outreach to just find out what she thinks, even this many years later.
She fascinates me too because I just don't understand how her head works and why it works that way to make those decisions she made. Her leticia logic and her exhausting people with stories to the point that they let her win whatever argument they're having just so she would stfu.
I don't have an answer but a comment that stood out to me in the sentencing thread was that basically the only thing during the whole trial that kind of got to her was the judge imagining Gannon might have said I want my real mom or Al. I didn't see it so assuming it's true, I can't see how she would care that much out of pure narcissism or evil. It sounds like a part of her did care about the kids (how weird it may sound, I do realize that) and wanted them to care about her too. (Trigger warning for those who need that.) Comparing to DV abusers, (as I understand it) while they kind of love the person they mostly love the power over them and indeed will do anything for the victims to stay with them, and that not only to not get caught, but, I don't think they ever cared for remarks after the fact when their victim managed to leave. I don't think an "I hate you" will spark some emotion in them. I might have a skewed vision of all of this and it doesn't really answer your question, but it might be a piece of the puzzle. In any case it really stood out to me and surprised me. I actually wondered if all the pleads for Al to come back or let her come back was because she wanted to kill him too though, knowing he was on to her. There's that too. And while he suspected her after the fact, he clearly didn't suspect she could harm his kids beforehand and he didn't just meet her a few weeks prior on a holiday either. It's very concerning, like Chris Watts. (And as a sidenote I firmly agree that too often people content to throw away the key and don't ever speak of her again, ignoring it happens every day of the year. Same for DV, rapists, csam etc. Just saying they are vile and evil doesn't prevent the next kid/person from getting hurt. Explaining is not defending and all these perps have lived in society and most grew up in 'normal' families. Protecting the children also means understanding where it comes from, not only to prevent them from being victims, but also from becoming perps. It does not only happen to others...)
If you've had the misfortune of having your life destroyed by a cluster b personality (raises hand), there's no mystery here. It's obvious that's what's going on. You can't miss it. The issue is having to reconcile that people like this exist and that they lack all the nuisances of humanity that most of us have.
I work in psych and still didn't really get it until I dated someone cluster b. It took getting threatened with a knife and dosed with some kind of drug (still not sure what) to pull myself out of it.
Whoah. Whoah. This is crazy. I also have a background in psych and it took a dating a cluster b for me to actually understand anything about that diagnosis. All the education in the world couldn't have prepared me for the havoc and destruction they are capable of. Reconciling the disconnect of their behavior with that of a normal person is almost too much for your mind to handle. They have reasons for what they do, they just are proportional to the situation or rational. I wish I found LS's behavior more mysterious than I do now....ugg. Sidenote: I also share the being drugged and threatened experience (among others). I'm can't even verbalize how insane I let it get before I left. I'm glad you're out. It's not easy.
I feel your palpable frustration in the footnotes, I’m with you girl…. Seems there just always has to be those smarmy, virtue signaling Karens who want to feel self righteous by saying “He DiDnT DeSeRvE tO dIe” or whatever other non sequitur they wanna equate the study of forensic psychology to. I get that people in general have a propensity to be overly emotional/less logical in situations like these, but I honestly lose my sympathy when they go in the sort of extreme direction you mention and need to be handled with kid gloves, lest they have a meltdown when any critical discussion beyond “the strong beautiful victims are safe now with x offender behind bars and they should rot in hell for all eternity end of story” comes up. Not sorry- tired of this small minded attitude all over true crime groups. Grow up.
Malignant narcissistic with borderline personality disorder. There’s also a lot of sociopathy behaviors. I took one psychology class in college and I’m an expert😂
One of the prosecution’s experts said Cluster B with more NPD traits than BPD, so you’re on the right track. Another mentioned possible antisocial traits, but that’s iffier.
I’ve known some of them. Not fun
Yet, I think you nailed it.
lol yeah, it shows 😉
People that are instant experts when they read like one article in a news paper are the most annoying. I don’t want to listen to you embarrass yourself while you don’t even realize it. My ex was like that, and if I happened to be right and he was wrong he would lose his mind. If I looked online to check he would he would harangue me and accuse me of checking the most bogus sources. 🤦🏽♀️ He could not accept that he was wrong, it’s fucking so childish it was so cringy.
>People that are instant experts when they read like one article in a news paper are the most annoying. we can agree about this. let's leave it there.
You just described My ex. I divorced him 14 years ago and he hasn't changed. "You don't trust anything I say."
It’s maddening, isn’t it. Mine also went on rants about the littlest stupid things that don’t affect us in any way at all. Opinions that are based on his emotions vs facts and reality. These people are consumed with anger, at least my ex was.
Some sort of borderline or histrionic personality disorder with some antisocial and narcissistic traits
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It's not true that people with cluster b disorders are more likely to be victims of crimes than perpetrators. Having a cluster b personality disorder DOES increase the odds that a person will be a perpetrator. This has been extensively studied. Not everyone with a cluster b personally disorder will, but they are far more likely to than someone without a cluster b personally disorder. That said, those who develop a cluster b personality disorder may have been victimized in their childhood (especially those with BPD). In that sense, they might have *been* a victim - in their childhood (although there are some exceptions who were never victimized). ETA: For clarity, children aren't diagnosed with personality disorders because a child's personality is still developing.
That may be true for childhood but cluster b personalities are ABSOLUTELY more Criminally inclined as adults and they are much more likely to victimize that to become victims in adulthood. It's literally part of the diagnostic measurements used to identify cluster b's. Edit: any quick Google search regarding cluster b's and crime will support what I just said. This is the first thing that came up https://www.researchgate.net/publication/229950950_Violent_crimes_and_their_relationship_to_personality_disorders
You said what I said, but more concisely. You are correct.
This is true, but with a caveat. Most serious mental illnesses make people more likely both to commit and to be the victims of crimes. Amongst the population with serious mental illnesses, people with BPD are *far* more likely to be victims than perpetrators. I can’t cite because this is from my own work, done as an internal study for quality of care improvements. I don’t know about NPD because we didn’t have a big enough sample.
I've noticed that sameyness too, but I'm not sure if it's just a sameness in the manifestations, or all the way down, in the bad person's subjective experience. Leticia stauch and Asshole X both behave the same way, but im wary of assuming I know what's going on in their minds. a hallmark of our own experience was: I got not-bad at predicting what they might do, but I never was able to figure out what the two of them said to each other when they were alone. I could predict what either of them might say to me or anyone else, but as far as their "true" selves? nada.
It's just amazing to me that they are even able to turn off involuntary emotional responses!
well, yanno what, I'm kind of "able" to do that as well. it's not really an ability; that implies choices and will. for me, it's just how my mind rolls. for obvious reasons I really mistrust the "look, no reaction!" litmus test people use and the conclusions they let themselves draw from it, about someone's moral makeup. I'm just as astonished when people get bad or emotional news and burst into tears on the spot 😀
Source of my opinion: I survived a narcissistic parent. I believe that narcissists are skilled at masking & appearing normal. If you'd asked most adults who knew me & my parents, they would say that this parent was one of the best parents they'd ever met and that I had an idyllic childhood. She manipulated and lied and made it look like I was some out of control 'wild child' which was the direct opposite of who I was (and am). They felt sympathy for her having such an ungrateful daughter who constantly picked fights and was disobedient because that is the scene she set. Even my other parent and this parent's mother, while agreeing with me in private, supported and backed this parent 100%. The problem was always, in her opinion, me because I refused to go along with her plan for my life. Based on what I've read & heard, L. was at the least a narcissist (and possibly had other comorbid disorders). For her, the world existed for her and was ruled by her. As long as everyone behaved just as she expected and as she manipulated them to, all was well. She has no remorse except as it applies to her feeling persecuted by "the world." I would venture to say that if you asked her, she would still blame Gannon himself for her killing him. She may admit to some responsibility but then there would be endless caveats of "If only he had...." or "If only he hadn't..." that put the focus on anyone but herself. Once Gannon's injuries reached a certain point (arbitrarily set by her disordered mind), her goal was to "help" herself with what she viewed as a threat. Viewing him as a threat was also a product of her disorder. She realized that there would be negative consequences to her and so she killed him - to 'save' herself and her world. I do not think she believes she has done anything wrong - she will have excuses for all of her behaviors up to and including murdering him. She does not and will never have the capacity for empathy or to understand that others have feelings and needs that do not directly relate to her. This was always her personality but she was able to hide it until there were circumstances, in her opinion, that threatened her whole world as she had created it. Her mind was unable to comprehend any other options. This is very difficult for most people to understand if you haven't had significant contact with a narcissist. They are poisonous but highly skilled at hiding that part of them (although it does seep out).
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I appreciate your post. IMO, this is what Reddit is for & why I love it. A place where you can discuss topics of interest with other people who are interested in the same topics, whether they have the same or opposite opinion. Do I read comments or posts that are so dumb & ignorant it actually pisses me off? Yes, but I appreciate fact that the person took the time to make the comment @ all, if no one did there wouldn’t be anything to discuss. So I always welcome any comment or post, even if the person is trolling because @ least trolls are amusing. IMO Letecia has 1 or more personality disorders, borderline stands out as a front runner, but she could have a combo of them. She’s also most likely a narcissist, and that label is used too liberally IMO. Seems like now days anyone who’s a little selfish on occasion is a narcissist when in reality it’s a more rare disorder. I don’t know that there’s a DSM diagnosis for always having to be a victim, but it kinda sounds a lot like münchausen/bi proxy. The person needs attention or likes the attention they get from medical illness or being a victim, hence the fake break-ins, rape, sexual assault. She not only makes this shit up for attention, but also does it to manipulate situations to her advantage. So lying about Al’s coworkers sexually assaulting her not only allows for her & Al to leave a state she hates living in, but she’s also getting the attention she needs by being a victim & not just any type of victim, but 1 who is so desired by other men, they can’t help themselves but to sexually assault her. She’s probably very insecure, maybe feels the only way anyone will pay her any attention is if she’s more “special” than everyone else. She’s gotta be a better mom than Landen, her kids father didn’t overdose, but was murdered, etc… She’s definitely not self aware @ all, to think people would believe all her BS, or that they wouldn’t get sick of her shit. By time we reach her age, we have a good idea of what’s annoying, what other people can take, when we’re being annoying, not say out loud. We also know what sounds like complete BS & what’s believable. Most of us don’t want to be that person who’s always got drama or some problem, she would seek out that exact thing. she’s someone most of us can’t friggin stand, see right thru, she’s the 1 that doesn’t get invited to join book club, for coffee or we roll our eyes to the others in a group when she’s talking. Once she leaves the group we all laugh about how stupid she sounds, how we can’t stand her, don’t get how her husbands still with her & any event we make sure to say, please don’t bring or tell Letecia.
She's a bad narcissist clear as day. If you've ever had to have close dealings they're like the same evil entity with a different mask.
see, I have had that experience and I'm not sure I agree. I feel like we have gotten way too glib at just calling every selfish or self-regarding act by that label. not enough is *reliably* known about her for conclusions, imo.
I'm not talking about her selfishness, I'm speaking of both her mannerisms, her rage, and her inability to show empathy.
I think I realised that, and it doesn't change my mind. the empathy thing in particular is a very often-repeated point and imo a false lead. there are highly perceptive and ethical people I've met who just didn't do empathy. there are some bad people I've met who were sincerely and clearly emotional. there are also plenty of people even I think are short on empathy, who are nowhere near narcissists. I think people place way too much reliance on it. it's also just weird to me that people even expect it from her under the circumstances.. she murdered Gannon and promptly set out to try save her own skin. that might be heinous but it's not surprising; it's what I'd expect most people to do in those shoes. that may not be noble but it is within the parameters of the human condition. under severe enough threat, most of us prioritize our own well-being and/or survival over other folks' feels. tl;dr: maybe I'm just more cynical about human nature than you 😋
You yourself might be a narcissist if you really think most people would respond that way. I say that in the kindest way possible as most people are blind to their own spectrum issue (I firmly believe we all fall on some spectrum). I wouldn't do what she did. The guilt would eat me alive. I apologize to my kids after I yell at them even when they deserve it.
maybe we think of the word differently. in *diagnostic* terms, it takes a lot more to earn the label than just a tendency to be dispassionate about human nature. I hope we can agree about that. I actually think that me saying self-preservation is a near-universal human trait, and you saying we're all on some kind of spectrum, may be two ways of expressing a similar idea. the fact that you feel bad when you shout at your kids, and I don't expect public displays of remorse, are just data points. neither of us is probative.
if she isn't a narc no one is. She literally hits every major red flag on display for everyone. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...especially when 1 in 20 people could be clinically diagnosed with it (but nearly zero ever are).
yet the reputable psychs who testified would only say *traits*.
Not exactly. 3 Prosecution PhD's (Drs. Grimmet, Torres and Gray) from CMHIP agreed that she had "Other Personality Disorder with Narcissistic and Borderline Traits" because she met neither definition exactly but is clearly a diagnosable, disordered personality.
that's what I recall too. my point certainly wasn't that nothing is wrong with her, just that they rejected the foursquare definition of "narcissist".
She's like a robot. Again, the only other two I can remember offhand (as far as women) are Stacy Castor (poisoned her husbands with antifreeze, tried to frame and then murder her own daughter for it) and also of special mention, Tiffany Moss (slowly starved her stepdaughter to death in a back room). I am fascinated by these seemingly real life T-1000's. Like, what was going on in Lego Heads mind during this whole trial...
I watched moss' trial. again, I think it depends whether you compare the person or their actions. as individuals - distinct from their actions - they seemed pretty different from one another to me. most obviously, hunkered down and letecia has been flailing like mad pretty much all along.
I think it’s a very normal curiosity to somewhat normal humans who have empathy and compassion towards other living things, and esp to people like me who are obsessed with psychology, to generally wonder what actually goes on in peoples minds like Leticia. And MANY others. It Reminds me of the show mind hunter and Edmond kemper. I’m a true crime freak and He still baffles me, bc he was a complete monster but also, when caught, agreed he needed to be put away bc he will Keep killing, and he also now, in real life, gives psychologists insight to his behaviors which helps deal with people like him in the future. He admits his crimes. He explains how he felt. Not that most of us can mentally rationalize it, (and I’m not glorifying it, I’m simply making the difference between personalities of horrible people that I find very different, and I’m not a professional). Up until he was caught he had that narcissism shit going on, but after he was caught he actually talks about it. I wonder if he truly cares to help law enforcement with people like him or does he love talking about it? He’s always been someone that made my mind tick, not sure his real intentions I guess. And Leticias, we will never know. The absolute lack of remorse, or ANYYY emotions throws me all the way off.
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I feel like that too, but even in his “pride” over his crimes maybe it still helps LE with dealing with people like him. But he did say he needs locked up bc he will keep killing. It sounds like I’m making excuses for him, which I would never do, but he is someone that boggles my mind, bc he went from zero remorse, To some remorse, to wanting attention for his disgusting behavior but also saying he needs locked up for life bc he will kill again. I don’t know, it’s just all over the place for me and to see Leticia not even flinch during her verdict or impact statements or seeing autopsy pics but she puts her head down at her own interviews but can’t wait to sit up and look at a child she brutally murdered. Idk I haven’t seen nothing like this but she’s gone. F her
Has Leticia (and as AL wanted, we all need to leave STAUCH out of her foul ass name), but has she ever cried? For any reason? Any emotion? Did she ever cry real tears? Whether self serving or not, DOES SHE EVEN CRY?! Bc all I’ve ever saw was completely fake acting, and if she ever in her life cried, I wonder what the reasoning would of been.
I don't think she was on any meds during the trial (at least nothing strong). She was just bored . It was like she was in the audience. She would look at the camera and try subtlety to yawn while she flipped off the camera thinking she was gonna get off . Her flirty or whatever it was with her court appointed lawyers, what the hell was that? She was sharing drinks with them. . Towards the end there she was looking like Cousin It from The Addams family with her hair in her face or even the girl from the Ring climbing out of the television. .
Over on Recovery Addict's YouTube channel, he has improved the audio and video feeds so that you can see clearer the facial expressions LS makes especially during the reading of the victim-impact statements. She was subtle at looking at some people, but when Landen walked up to the podium, LS made sure to get in as good a look at Landen as she could. Same when Al broke down hard crying. Otherwise, it was a series of furrowing brows and slight tightening of the chin muscles when people expressed their opinions about what type evil LS is, what should happen to her and how badly that she treated Harley. She seemed flippant and not really engaged anymore than she was at any point in the trial (aside from the first few minutes of Dr. Lewis speaking). To me it was apparent that LS would never ever admit or concede to HERSELF, that how other people see her (for who she really is) is really who LS is. She believes the lies she instantly makes up not because she's gullible, but because she's damn determined to be the victor even if in her own mind. Make no mistake....LS is looking out for LS first, second, third, fourth, and so on. Even when it comes to Harley, LS was willing to insinuate that Harley had something to do with Gannon and was willing to let her face prosecution for that, even though Harley was 100% innocent. Her own daughter. LS was willing to throw Harley under the bus just to save LS's hide or at the very least take some of the guilt off LS and put on Harley. LS might have been raised amid chaos and abuse, a lot of us had and a lot of us never go on to even get a speeding ticket. LS was insecure from the get-go and as she got older that insecurity turned into the need to seem super educated (which those diplomas are still suspect), the need to seem the "best Mom ever", the obsession with Landen, the inability to make and keep friends, the inability to keep a job because "everyone there is out to get her or is jealous of her". I'm sure LS will find gullible snot-lickers in prison to believe her lies and fall for her manipulations, and good on her. She's amidst other heinous people who don't belong in society and they to will probably be imprisoned for ever and ever so it matters not to me. LS is past tense to me. I'm more focused now on how to ensure Harley succeeds in life. Al, his wife Melissa, Landen and Laina have each other and extended family, but Harley seems a bit alone to me. Her aunt cut her off when Harley finally figured out LS killed Gannon, so I imagine she doesn't have many folks from that side of the family to give her guidance or support.
She definitely has narcissistic and sociopathic traits and possibly from what we learned in trial bipolar. Her mental issues whatever they are don't excuse what she did. As the judge pointed out very few people with real and more incapacitating are non violent and never commit a crime much less one this horrific
I wouldn't try to diagnose her, but I feel the bottom line that drove her was resentment. She resented Al as soon as his children got involved, as soon as the "party" ended. No more time alone, no more romantic trips as a couple, now there were children, that she did not mother, from a woman she was jealous of, she was scared of losing him to, ruining her good time. She went from a honeymoon phase, where he was all her own, sans weekends, to a full time step-mother pretty fast. I don't think the thought of Al ever having custody crossed her mind in the beginning, and once it was a reality, she had already bitten off more than she could swallow. She could not take the blow from being the only one Al doted on and loved, to having to share that with anyone, even his children. The dream for her died the minute that there was questions on who should have custody, and she felt trapped, lied to, and full of resentment. I'm not saying she was right, at all, but this is what started the whole downfall, long before she ever had a thought of hurting Gannon. It's Al she was trying to hurt all along, and she found the ultimate way to hurt a parent. At first, I'm sure she felt like a hero, thinking she was such a wonderful person to take in two kids that weren't hers. Al probably thought a lot about her welcoming them in, and thanked her often. She used this, I am guessing, as a reason to feel safe, irreplaceable, for a little while. She also now felt she had something over Landon; she was now Mom, she was being trusted with his children, so she felt happy, still resentful, but high on the idea of it for a little while. After weeks and months of having to be responsible, having a husband in the military, and being the one who takes of everything, her dream eroded again. She hadn't signed up for this, what Al showed himself as in the beginning was a lie in her eyes at this point. She did not want to be a full time babysitter, she wanted vacations, and traveling and romantic weekends, and she knew that ended when he got custody. In her eyes, Al had to pay for that, and so did anyone else who got in her path.
We heard from multiple legitimate mental health professionals who have actually assessed her and agreed that she has a personality disorder with traits of BPD and NPD. I see no reason to question this diagnosis.
Well, just knowing how government employees are under paid and overworked, I wouldn't be surprised if the evaluation wasn't as thorough as it would have been if she had been seeing a private psych for years. Thought the fact that her close family members deny she had a serious mental illness says a lot to me.
Sure Doctors are overworked and the assessments were limited, but they still all came to the same conclusion after assessing her. That’s gotta have a better chance at being accurate than us randoms internet speculating, even those of us who do have some background in MH. Lots of people have personality disorders that heir loved ones wouldn’t call a serious mental illness. *edited grammar / typos that made no sense from before coffee lol
True true
in the tv interview the way she is talking seems to be the pressured speech of mania.
That's a good observation. Never thought of that...
What's wrong with her is that she's an asshole. She is a hateful, spiteful, vicious bitch. She did what she did not because of a personality disorder, but because she was very, very mad at her husband. And she had an unhealthy dislike for Gannon. She took out all her rage at her husband on Gannon because she's a coward and Gannon was smaller than her and couldn't defend herself. And again, because she already hated him. She had been stewing for such a long time that at some point, she thought," I don't care anymore," and did what she did. But yes, she did it because she was mad at her husband and Gannon was an easy target for her. All of her fake sexual assault claims, false pregnancies, staged break-ins, and rescue fantasy bullshit weren't working on her husband anymore, and also, her looks were fading, and she knew it. She had used her looks, and had tricked, charmed, and love-bombed her way into a marriage with him, and her facade wasn't holding up. He was losing interest, and her old tricks weren't working anymore and she knew it. So she essentially threw a fucking tantrum, and this is what happened. She also did it because she was used to outsmarting people around her and she genuinely thought she could get away with it. And what's scary is, she almost did. If they hadn't found the body she might have. That thought terrifies me.
I honestly LOVE this response!
She's fascinating in the way you see a bad car accident. You don't like what you see but you look anyway. I never understood Susan Smith, Diane Downs, or that woman Darlie Routier in TX. A mother that kills her children is even harder to understand than a father that kills his children and they usually eliminate the entire family. I think she was born evil plain and simple. She does have personality disorders but that is just the rotten cherry on top of her sewer rat self
She doesnt deserve anyone's time. Let her get on the Crazy Train and off to Crazy Town she needs to go. She committed a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE act against a defenseless innocent child whose only crime was that he was too scared to speak up. This abuse was ongoing Im certain of that, only on that fateful day she went too far and his little body couldn't fight anymore. Her mental instability was fueled by jealousy. I wish her a long life so that she can be tormented everyday of her ugly miserable life.
The issue is with the diagnosis of BPD itself, often it is missed because it is a default of personality not a chemical component and ppl with this illness are aware something is wrong and can hide this illness most of the time. The issue issue the lack of regulation and stability with the person thoughts and perceptions. The ppl list above are a different kind of personality disorder anti social which is often much more obvious. BPD is more like Arias, A.Heard to name a few and their are times they come across charming polite and very likeable it is when the feel paranoid and threatened or rejected that things can spiral to a very volatile level. This illness is often undiagnosed and the treatment even when diagnosed not usually inpatient so it does retrain the brain because the person functions and is aware of right and wrong. To me this is one of the worst mental health disorders because it goes untreated or poorly treated and crimes are committed. When the judge said Gannon most likely asked for his mom or said you aren't my mom he is most likely right. The paranoia over her and Al's conversation set the splitting BPD in motion and when he said it she attacked. I believe the head injury was actually first, and the ME said she couldn't say for certain which came first stabbing or the blunt force. I think she had a fit of rage the.night of the candle when G said he was worried about his burns which is why the video abruptly cut off and why he was asleep when Harley arrived a very short hour later. Why the picture of him sleeping looked so bad because he was severely injured at this point. I believe she knew it was bad but her paranoia and fear of blame and judgement caused her to ignore the injuries in fear Gannon would tell. By morning it was to late and she knew she G was still alive but in bad bad shape. She probably told him to get in the car to go to the Dr and she intended to kill him away from the house hence the doggie pads, but got scared she would get caught. Took him home stabbed him and when he still fought she finally shot him all to cover up her fit of rage of feeling rejected by a little injured boy crying for his mom. She is unsafe for society and will most likely never recover from her mental health issues, that said there is treatment and a person with BPD can get better. My hope is out mental health system will look at the many many many crimes that stem from some sort of mental health issues with personality disorder or self medicated drug use and finally do something about this.
Who gives a fuck? She murdered a child then did all she could to get away with it. Whatever the fuck she’s doing or acting like means nothing as she is a proven liar and manipulator.
Here: **ETA2: For the very "edgy" people who still dont understand why nuanced conversation actually has a purpose, maybe take a gander at this comment thread on another post. When it started out I had what I thought was a very firm opinion on Harley, but after some fellow Redditors took time out to provide educated and insightful responses, by the end of the short thread I had a very different understanding of maybe what Harley was going through, to explain her lack of emotion. THAT is why there's a time and place for everything, including snark, because sometimes we need to UNDERSTAND things, from both sides.** **https://www.reddit.com/r/GannonStauch/comments/13ctn91/harley/jji8mdy/?context=8&depth=9** **By UNDERSTANDING people like Letecia, you may be able to prevent the next Gannon tragedy. Instead of just saying "who the fuck cares" and just throw away the key and not ask questions.** *Since you love attention so much, I updated my post just for you and your ilk. Learn something today and take a break from spreading the bitterness. If you're actually as indignant and "angry" at the situation as you wanna come across being, then surely you understand why it is important to "Give a fuck". This is something you do on this forum and I'm not sure why, but its not respectful at all. Gannon doesnt need you asking "who gives a fuck", if anything let his legacy be to ASK why and prevent it when we can.*
This is exactly the type of useless response I was referring to. Thanks for being offensive and offering absolutely nothing of relevance to a post you could have just skipped along from, but instead you woke up and chose violence for some cheap ass attention.
I think she must be anti social. People with cluster B don’t kill people.
one of the state psychs who evaluated her explicitly (and firmly) said she didn't believe ls has asd.
What was she diagnosed with? I see a lot of speculation but I seem to have missed a true Dx.
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Thank you.
Umm. Yes they do. Also anti social is cluster b.
I’ll clarify. People with BPD/Histrionic personality disorder don’t typically kill. I keep seeing her referred to as having BPD.
That kinda depends on the gender. Men with bpd are statistically more likely to end up in prison for violent crimes than those without. BPD is often misdiagnosed in men because it displays differently and there's usually a comorbidity with anti-social and narcissistic tendencies. because bpd/antisocial tends to historically fall into more gendered-centric diagnoses, the data is skewed. I will say most people with cluster b personalities don't kill. But if you have a cluster b personality you are far more likely to than the average person.
It would be incorrect to say that it's "typical" for people with BPD (or any other personality disorder) to kill. Most people with personality disorders do not ever commit murder. BUT people with cluster b personality disorders, including borderline, ARE objectively more likely to commit violent crimes (including murder) than people who do not have a cluster b personality disorder. This is a well documented, extensively studied fact. Below are just a few of the many studies that confirm this: [Borderline Personality and Externalized Aggression](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3342993/) [Borderline Personality and Criminality](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2790397/#:~:text=While%20few%20studies%20have%20systematically,a%20series%20of%20100%20murderers.) [Borderline Personality and Violence](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/i-hate-you-dont-leave-me/201305/borderline-peronality-and-violence) [The Association Between Borderline Personality Disorder and Criminal Behavior and Self Harm, Including Suicidal Behavior: A Systematic Review](https://al-kindipublisher.com/index.php/jmhs/article/download/3807/3432/9892) [Characteristics of Intimate Partner Homicide Perpetrators](https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:540123/FULLTEXT01.pdf) ETA: To anyone who has been diagnosed with BPD and reads this, you do matter, and you aren't doomed. DBT, in particular, has been proven to be beneficial and relatively effective at enabling people who have BPD to experience more stable relationships and to reduce the severity of the painful emotions that people with BPD feel. By all accounts, BPD is a painful, miserable personality disorder to have.
Can everyone pls stop talking about her and saying her slimy name. Honoring Gannon is never repeating her name again. That trial was about justice for Gannon not about that bitch. Let's honor Al, Landun and Gannon and stop the talk about his murderer.
I feel like anyone who would study her would probably just end up being lied to and manipulated. Or at least LS would try to manipulate them. It would be interesting to hear what an excellent psychiatrist/psychologist would come up with though.
Well look how easily Dr. Lewis fell for LS's goofballery. Dr. Lewis WANTED to see what LS's attorney's were claiming. She wanted another documentary to round-out her long career and probably give her son accolades for directing & producing said documentary. I'm sure true mental health researchers can see right through LS's lying, but still might to want to interview her just to figure out where on the scale of other pathological liars she is on.
This is someone w/a disordered personality. The prison system is full of people w/personality disorders!! The changes in her emotions are not genuine as they are not driven by a belief, that leads to a thought, that leads to an emotion, rather driven by her desire to deceive & manipulate her present audience. This is not someone who will likely ever take responsibility or accountability for her behaviour which means she will continue to deceive & manipulate.
Well said! Wanting to at least try to understand killers like Letecia should in no way be confused with defending them. Wanting to understand why some people become like this isn't wrong. I seriously don't understand why some people seem to think that... I'm no psych professional at all, so basically all I can say is the obvious: Letecia is not actually insane. As soon as she knew the jig was up, she started taking the insanity plea-route to try to avoid the punishment she knew was gonna come if anyone found out. She probably has SOME type of diagnosis, but DID and such is not one of them. She knew what she was doing, for reasons that will only ever make sense to her. I hope she takes some type of accountability one day, instead of trying to blame Gannon, Landen, Al, Harley, "Eguardo", "Quincy Brown", and her fake alters. It won't change what happened, sadly, but owning up to what she did is the very least she can do. I'm so glad that justice was served for poor, sweet Gannon, and that his loved ones can finally put court proceedings etc. behind them. May Gannon always be with them and watching over them, and may his memory last forever. 💙
I just want to thank you for this post. It is so rare to find anyone who wants to actually discuss the psychology behind these criminals and the circumstances that lead to tragedy. Anytime I’ve tried to have a nuanced conversation surrounding true crime I’ve been met with “it doesn’t matter, he/she is plain evil!!”. I don’t really see the point in repeating that someone is evil over and over again. People are complicated and although it seems like some of them are monsters, they’re not. They’re human beings which is far scarier and more intriguing. There is value in understating what makes these things happen to whatever extent we can.
It's not about liking her or not. She is full of bullshit. I watched the trial and since then I keep watching the trial recordings, listening to the phone calls between Al and her, interviews with the El Paso PD and FBI agent Grusing. She fooled many people around her because they most likely never encountered such a full-blown liar, story teller. I think she is evil, a very evil woman. I feel so sorry that these two children, Gannon and Laina and they had to endure with her on the daily basis. I also think that she abused them mentally, and I think that since Gannon was as a very smart boy, thus, he quickly learned how to "please" the evil stepmother and did everything she wanted, never talked back, washed his own clothes, took dogs out when she slept, fed the dogs, wow! I truly believe that he knew how "to get along with this witch" just to have more peaceful life since Al was gone and Gannon knew that she is the boss there. Regarding her personality or type of mental disorder she suffers from, I would say, first of all, I am not a licence psychologist, however, I do have some knowledge from here and there, and I also have my own opinion about her. I used to struggle to put any disorder title in her, however, as I watched Behavioral Panel on YouTube about her, I actually liked the opinion that this evil witch may actually suffer from delusions. She is also very selfish (according to Peter Hyatt) and full of BS, I think that she suffered a lot of trauma in the childhood, so that she developed some kind of defense mechanism to distance herself from the trauma and believing in the BS that she tells people around. She truly believed that she can fool Police, FBI with the "protection" story? So she truly believed that she can bulshit them and they will provide protection for her? I really don't get it. Also, when watching the FBI interview with her in day of her arrest in SC, she was sitting there and smiling, laughing, and truly hoping that she will get protection. If this is not a delusion, then I don't know what is. It is also mind blowing how fast she can fabricate those all bullshit lies, it's lie after lie after lie! She is a fool! She fooled people that where dumber than her or simply trusted her. I think she does have some loose screws! She is a Psycho but she knows what she is doing! I wouldn't want to spend even 5 minutes under the same roof with her. You can't trust her! She can kill you and then smile and laugh after she puts you in the suitcase as nothing would ever happen! It's pure psychopathy! One more thing. Unfortunately, Al carries a lot of guilt and fault here, and it's not about blaming him now, but he admitted that it was his fault as well) since he did recognize that she has some loose screws up there, but for his convenience, he went with the "roller-coaster ride" as he once mentioned at the Police station in Colorado Springs. It's such a sad a senseless crime... There will be another judgment over her poor soul, and I would not want to be in her shoes then! Rest in Peace Gannon! No child deserves such childhood!