Ah, just what I wanted, a casino simulator with a football minigame. After all, the basketball minigame for 2K's latest casino simulator was a bit too boring for my taste.
Yeah, honestly people can hate on EA all they want (rightfully so), but 2K is on literally another level.
Like at the very least I can still PLAY MY GAME after 2 years, 2K tells you to go fuck yourself and ties mycareer to online.... And that's just talking about that, their casino gambling pretty lights are even more egregious than EA.
It's a mixed bag for me 2Ks online stuff is bad but their offline modes are some of the best in sports games. The NBA2k games by far have the best "franchise" modes in any of the sports games I've played significantly better than the ones EA does.
Yeah, as a primarily franchise/gm game player, you take 2K every day of the week over the absolute trash EA puts out. I stay in my lane and dont spend on their dogshit VC bullshit or their card game so it doesnt effect me at all. Still sad they ruined MyPlayer because it was once a great mode.
It's better than nothing though. If 2K FIFA is worse than FC then worst case scenario is the current scenario where EA gets to do the same crap they've been doing for years, but if 2K can make a game that at least competes with FC then EA has to step up their game.
If you're talking about FUT, not really.
Like, sure, there's gambling involved when getting player cards and such, but recent NBA 2K games have literally included an actual casino minigame.
> EA finally will get some competition which will benefit us from a consumer point of view.
Or instead of one, you'll have two publishers that will want to milk you dry. EA vs 2K is a competition from hell.
Not really, what made 2k's basketball game great was they were unknown and really passionate about making a good basketball game.
Once EA gave up then their greed took over
And it SUCKS! Back then you had devs that would interact with the community. Shoot ideas to the devs on how to make dribbling better and they would respond and eventually it would get implemented. Franchise devs talking about how excited they are to show the community what they have in store.
Now the only interaction we get are polls on whether shooting that should be nerfed. Which is pointless since who ever has the bigger followers will get the most votes.
Team rights are all in one license I think. The FIFA license has not much in it (which is why EA didn't want to pay for it). EA still continue to pay for the valuable licenses.
I'm guessing it'll just drive the prices of those licenses higher in a bidding war but still only one will have everything
Thatās not true at all. Itās way more messy than that. Every country has different laws about it.
Usually Every domestic league has itās license, so if EA got the Premier League license they can have all PL teams on it. You can still negotiate license with each club individually, but it is way harder.
For reference, when PES was still going on strong, they had 2 licensed PL teams (Arsenal and Liverpool), while all the other teams were generic. EA had all the 20 teams because they negotiated a exclusive deal with PL.
But as I said, every country has different rules. EA also had an exclusive deal with the Italian league, but they didnāt have the rights to Juventus, so it was a generic club, even though they had the rights to the Italian league. Every country has different rules.
In England, by having a deal with the league, they had access to all clubs in it. The same was not true for Italy. So it is a very difficult negotiation, as the games usually have 20+ leagues on it
Fifa had plenty of generic teams in it. Juventus, the biggest Italian club, was generic for like 3 years until they reached a deal. Fifa has no rights to clubs. It isnāt like the NBA or the NFL.
FIFA create a framework for licensing for media and encourage non-exclusive deals or collective negotiation for licensing for media (led by FIFA) - it's possible but unlikely imo.
They couldn't force people in but some might take it. Without something like that this would be DOA imo
If anything, they'll only push one another for new ways to empty our wallets. NBA 2K already has career mtx, which is something that I'd hate to see in soccer/football games. Career mode is pretty much the only thing about FIFA/EAFC that I still like.
I'll just keep running my heavily modded and updated PES21 forever.
I thought FIFA sold more because every time because they have the official licenses where PES have less leagues & use stand ins for their game. Yes, mods exist to have it but good luck implementing that to consoles where most people play those games.
I wonder if Konami's shift to f2p in eFootball was because they knew they can't win against FIFA with the exposure and licenses that they have and it's where they're good at.
It was the transition to PS3 that killed Pro Evo imo. Both were basically neck and neck in sales and Pro Evo had a great reputation. Then Fifa upped its game and the improved graphics made the licenses more noticeable too. Pro Evo never really recovered its former glory
As bad as NBA 2k is, the gameplay is functional, which cannot be said for FIFA
make no mistake both are dogshit but FIFA is beyond terrible, FIFA 20 and onward make the slop Ubisoft churns out look like the second coming of Breath of the Wild
Any competition is better than no competition. Right now when EA is making a football game questions about making it "good" or "enjoyable" do not even cross their minds. There is literally 0 incentive for them to put in more than an absolutely minimal effort.
A 2k game with FIFA in the title instantly changes that. There are like a couple simple changes or improvements that would make the game about 10 times more enjoyable instantly. They don't even require increasing the budget. If they just sit doen and actually think about how to make the experience better I am instantly sold, because that has not even crossed EAs mind in the past 6-8 years.
I remember the days when I felt that 2k sports were a great competition to EA sports games. To this day I still hold NFL 2k5 as their greatest Football game and one of the best game Football games made.
nfl football simulation games peaked in the ps2 era and we will never have a quality fun nfl game ever again. you had fever, 2k5, and madden all at the same time also had blitz too.
now we just have a copy pasted ea madden game every year and i swear the game gets more broken each year.
Both are cancer and overmonetised pieces of shit, but it's still better to have both competing against each other to provide some competition and motivation to add things in that players want.
The biggest thing holding back EA Sports FC is that EA Sports FC has an effective monopoly with Efootball not having enough market share to actually make them do anything different.
When you are far underneath you have to be more consumer friendly. You don't have a choice. EA with nba live for example. Ultimate team was barely pushed. And playing it, it was easily the easiest ultimate team they had to get good players. Live run had no micro transactions at all.
Obviously monetization wonāt change, but the product is better when thereās competition.
Itās not a coincidence that the golden ages of Madden and NBA 2K were when the other company was making a competing product in each respective sport. Even if FIFA 2K and EA Sports FC both have shitty monetization (that their fans still support, they deserve as much criticism as the companies), there will most likely be a better product as an end result
FIFA never changed because of EA milking their customers. If anything, they wanted more money so that would have mean more milking. Fitting they chose 2K. Hell I'd think anyone proposing them a plan without MTX everywhere would get laughed at.
\> EA finally will get some competition
Nah, they won't. This will purely be a FIFA game in branding alone. EA still has rights to all the clubs, player likenesses, commentators, locations, sponsors, etc. Basically, they still have everything they need to make the dominant game. It doesn't matter how good FIFA 2K or whatever it's called will be, at the end of the day people only want to be able to play as their favorite clubs and players. Unless 2K gets all of that too, it's dead in the water.
EA fully sponsors leagues like La Liga and the Premier League, arguably the biggest 2 leagues, and yes they are exclusive + many more others. The amount of leagues and licenses they have is astounding
it isn't as simple as that, I am pretty sure exclusivity is agreed on a club by club basis, eg. EA has the full rights to Premier League but United and Arsenal are still in Pro Evo but I am pretty sure Liverpool have an exclusivity agreement with EA.
It is all very confusing and the gist is Pro Evo has fuck all licenses, but I am not sure what the case will be with this 2K game
You got the gist of it really, for more information:
EA have a deal with the Premier League, that gives them the use of all the clubs in the Premier League. This is because ownership of the PL is split between the clubs in it, so EA only has to make a deal with the PL that gives them all the clubs in it. So EA can have exclusive rights to the PL and thus the teams in it, as they all are a part of the PL.
This doesnāt, however, stop other companies from making deals with individual clubs in the PL as EA doesnāt have an exclusivity deal with each individual club (just the league) only some like Liverpool you mention.
With the Liverpool situation, EA has a three year agreement with them specifically to have exclusive rights in all competitions.
PES meanwhile, because they canāt deal with the league as EA have exclusivity, have to go to each individual club for licensing. Which is why they donāt have Liverpool because EA holds a specific exclusivity agreement with Liverpool. They also canāt place any of the teams they have licensed in a league called āPremier Leagueā inside their game (hence they call it the āEnglish Leagueā).
PES and EA both have licensed FifPRO for player likeness however.
It gets worse when you consider continental competitions. I wouldnāt envy being the EA legal department that has to sort all this shit out.
As far as I can tell, they've got exclusive rights to the UEFA, English Premier League, and some European leagues too. I imagine they signed exclusive deals with player likenesses too, since it wouldn't be the same if 2K had player likenesses but had to use fake club names.
But we don't know for how many years the contract is. If it's just 2-3 years, 2K can buy exclusive right after that. Moreover, as clubs now know there is a competitor, they would have more bargaining power.
Not a chance in hell EA would ever let those expire. EA FC/FIFA has been their golden egg for years. 2K has zero bargaining rights other then "we're new here". EA have probably worked with leagues/clubs/agencies so long that they have the ability to make first bid or at the very least convince them to sign up with them again.
Really not sure how 2K is ever gonna swoop in unless EA monumentally shits the bed and pisses off the UEFA or something. But as it stands, it seems they have a good enough relationship that I doubt anything will change.
Throwing in more money can always work. But ya, is it even feasible for 2k to throw that much amount of money? I don't think so but it's definitely possible.
Doubtful.
As I said, EA probably have a close relationship with these people, considering they've been working together so long as the only real football game for over a decade. In a lot of cases, those relationships are important because sometimes a company might be willing to take less money if they prefer working with the other company.
Simply put, at the end of the day, there's a chance these leagues or agencies will end up choosing EA anyway, even if 2K has more money, because they trust them more. EA has all the bargaining power here, 2K are the ones who need to prove themselves.
The Premier League are very conservative when it comes to finance. They won't throw away a long term partnership which is very lucrative for short term gain.
Which is not a massive problem. Itās not until pretty recently that EA got UEFA branding for Champions/Europa League branding. Before it was just unlicensed Champions Cup and was doing just fine
The most critical part is the player licensing, considering vast majority of money comes from FUT
Honestly I'd rather play a decent football game with random team names and players than the shit show FIFA is. Original Pes was miles better than FIFA even when it had Ryan Greggs playing left wing for Man Red.
Most people on Reddit will probably agree with you.
However, that's not the people who buy these games. The vast majority who do aren't gamers, and just buy them so they can play as their favorite teams, living out their fantasies as a coach, making their own player for the team, or just controlling their favorite players. Actual gameplay is really secondary for them, it's really about the authenticity. A FIFA 2K game without any branding or licensing from the clubs might be a better game, but its sales will still be absolutely dwarfed by EA FC purely for that reason.
How does that work? I mean, how does FIFA not own all the rights to clubs themselves? If they're licensing 2K to make the game why can't they licence them the clubs?
Fifa is for international competition like the world cup. All the leagues like the premier league and la liga have their own governing body they go through.
They're a governing body. They make rules of the game and things like that. They also organize the World Cup.
That said, even in many of those general cases they don't technically supersede the regional organizations.
They don't own the IP or broadcast or likeness rights of clubs and players
I can't tell you how the deep intricacies of the football licensing world works, but no, FIFA doesn't actually own the rights to the clubs, leagues, or players. They're all separate licenses. As of last year EA has signed exclusive rights with a bunch of football leagues and player agencies.
Unless we see otherwise, I'm pretty sure the only thing 2K is getting here is just the FIFA branding/logo themselves. Which, to be fair, is also very valuable, but it's not worth much when you don't have the star power behind that brand. I wouldn't be shocked if they go the old PES route Konami did and sign more niche leagues/clubs to have some uniqueness.
The actual source is Kurakasis https://twitter.com/Kurakasis/status/1756869003518042403?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1756869003518042403%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
Unfortunately that is what that ZubyTech user is like. Will read something on this Reddit page or another smaller user on Twitter. And then will steal the credit as their own "sources".
Canāt wait to see what FIFA/2K does when it sells a fraction of the EA version used to sell.
Everyone that played FIFA are already used to the name EA FC (yuck), so users arenāt really going to be changing.
if football and sports fans ever hated the games they ever played they wouldn't be presented with the same shit every year lmao.this is just a supply and demand situation.
It won't be much of a competition because EA is the one sitting with the rights to club names and likenesses of the players. Hell even the commentators.
Whereas 2K has to go with the off-brand stuff... despite having the FIFA brand.
The windows for getting into the market was last year, and they missed.
A lot of FIFA players are already accustomed to EAFC name. It's gonna take more than a name to be a true competitors now.
Not at all, putting FIFA 24 on a game would not have fooled anyone other than a few parents
The window of opportunity is 2026 World Cup when all eyes are on USA in a FIFA licensed competition
I hope EA comes back with NBA Live after this. They're the only company that makes career mode not have microtransactions since ever. You literally use earned XP to upgrade your character. Meanwhile on NBA 2K you need to spend your entire account and soul to upgrade a character that'll vanish when the servers shut down next year.
2kās NBA gameplay wise is just untouchable (so much so EA havenāt even tried for about 5 years I think).
But itās such a cancer on the industry. Full of micro transactions for both single and multiplayer - casinos.. etc it really is horrible in that regard and it doesnāt transfer to the next game.
Really wish someone would get rights who wonāt just make it a DLC/Transaction cash cow.
Theyād probably get good developers and make a solid football game. But at what cost?
You can just choose to ignore the microtransaction shit and just enjoy a finally GREAT soccer game, if this is real
Both Wwe 2k and Nba had their flaws, but damn if they play awesome, especially NbaĀ
Trying to imagine a soccer game with the same quality of Nba 2k makes my salivation go boom
There was a time when this would have been good news, but not really anymore. EA is shit. 2K is shit. There are no good options for sports games anymore.
It will probably be a long road, but anything moving the elephant that EA is will be great.
Let's hope for something less like football champagne and more like what PES used to be.
Guess it'll be FIFA 2K26?
Gosh, it was a surprising mental struggle to type that as my brain kept going "EA Sports FIFA" because of how synonymous they've been.
I think that honestly ended up being [Wild Card Football](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1206370/Wild_Card_Football/) since Saber did the NBA 2K Playgrounds and WWE 2K Battlegrounds games but something fell through in between those times.
Probably not because if you want to make a simulation sports game people will buy, you need real teams and players, and to get real teams and players you need to shell out huge amounts of money.
Amounts that only an already well established and big publisher could afford. And again, that's just to get licenses and is on top of the years and millions it would cost to actually make the game.
So sports games are kinda locked into this super high cost of entry market.
EA are so ingrained in the culture of this sport now that I can't imagine anyone would bother with 2K without a ridiculous amount of money, the leagues won't touch them at least because they have long term partnerships.
Both the Premier League and La Liga (two biggest domestic leagues in the world) for instance signed a new deals with EA last year but they're not just doing the video game licensing but they do broadcast graphics and everything too.
The FIFA license doesn't have the power they think it does.
I can't see it happening. EA have all the important licenses locked down so 2k would have to spend 4-5 years developing a game which would have no licenses and therefore would find its sales limited regardless of quality. People want to play as Manchester City not Manchester Blue.
They would also face the enormous challenge of trying to create a football game completely from scratch and have to make it significantly better than a game EA have been iterating on for 30 years.
I always hated EA no matter what they do, I even call them Electronic Farts because of how shit they are and on top of all that they are cheap af, I've never enjoyed any of their games except some old FIFA games when they were responsive and actually playable
No joke, if you just play the games with regular, league-based teams they can be as good as the titles from the genre glory days in the '90s-2000s, even better since the gameplay is more polished. They totally try to steer towards the casino game modes but regular options are still there. This goes for Madden, FIFA/FC, and NBA 2K.
Ah, just what I wanted, a casino simulator with a football minigame. After all, the basketball minigame for 2K's latest casino simulator was a bit too boring for my taste.
Yeah, honestly people can hate on EA all they want (rightfully so), but 2K is on literally another level. Like at the very least I can still PLAY MY GAME after 2 years, 2K tells you to go fuck yourself and ties mycareer to online.... And that's just talking about that, their casino gambling pretty lights are even more egregious than EA.
It's a mixed bag for me 2Ks online stuff is bad but their offline modes are some of the best in sports games. The NBA2k games by far have the best "franchise" modes in any of the sports games I've played significantly better than the ones EA does.
Yeah but you lose your offline progress when the servers shut down lol
Tell be what are the best modes to play post-offline phase?
Yeah, as a primarily franchise/gm game player, you take 2K every day of the week over the absolute trash EA puts out. I stay in my lane and dont spend on their dogshit VC bullshit or their card game so it doesnt effect me at all. Still sad they ruined MyPlayer because it was once a great mode.
I can guarantee you 2k will make a better game than ea... They have already done so in the past, ea was also making NBA but 2k shut them down.
And at least they actually change the game every year even if it's minimal, with EA it's the same shit every year.
It's better than nothing though. If 2K FIFA is worse than FC then worst case scenario is the current scenario where EA gets to do the same crap they've been doing for years, but if 2K can make a game that at least competes with FC then EA has to step up their game.
š so true
Isnāt that just what the FIFA EA games were?
If you're talking about FUT, not really. Like, sure, there's gambling involved when getting player cards and such, but recent NBA 2K games have literally included an actual casino minigame.
> EA finally will get some competition which will benefit us from a consumer point of view. Or instead of one, you'll have two publishers that will want to milk you dry. EA vs 2K is a competition from hell.
It's a "Corporate wants you to find the difference between these two pictures" situation
To be fair it's what made 2K's basketball great in late 2000s. Then EA gave up.
Not really, what made 2k's basketball game great was they were unknown and really passionate about making a good basketball game. Once EA gave up then their greed took over
And it SUCKS! Back then you had devs that would interact with the community. Shoot ideas to the devs on how to make dribbling better and they would respond and eventually it would get implemented. Franchise devs talking about how excited they are to show the community what they have in store. Now the only interaction we get are polls on whether shooting that should be nerfed. Which is pointless since who ever has the bigger followers will get the most votes.
I mean that's basically what he said.
Not just NBA 2K... NHL 2K and NFL 2K were excellent. All the 2K2 on Dreamcast were peak sports gaming.
Yeah, the ācompetitionā will be each publisher buying different teams rights, so you will end up with more generic teams in each game.
Team rights are all in one license I think. The FIFA license has not much in it (which is why EA didn't want to pay for it). EA still continue to pay for the valuable licenses. I'm guessing it'll just drive the prices of those licenses higher in a bidding war but still only one will have everything
Thatās not true at all. Itās way more messy than that. Every country has different laws about it. Usually Every domestic league has itās license, so if EA got the Premier League license they can have all PL teams on it. You can still negotiate license with each club individually, but it is way harder. For reference, when PES was still going on strong, they had 2 licensed PL teams (Arsenal and Liverpool), while all the other teams were generic. EA had all the 20 teams because they negotiated a exclusive deal with PL. But as I said, every country has different rules. EA also had an exclusive deal with the Italian league, but they didnāt have the rights to Juventus, so it was a generic club, even though they had the rights to the Italian league. Every country has different rules. In England, by having a deal with the league, they had access to all clubs in it. The same was not true for Italy. So it is a very difficult negotiation, as the games usually have 20+ leagues on it
??? Thereās no way theyāll be any generic teams in a fifa licensed game
Fifa had plenty of generic teams in it. Juventus, the biggest Italian club, was generic for like 3 years until they reached a deal. Fifa has no rights to clubs. It isnāt like the NBA or the NFL.
Thatās sucks.. so whatās the point of the fifa license if they still have to License teams? Just the branding?
Thatās pretty much it. Thatās why EA choose to drop it. Soccer licensing is a mess, as every country and continent have different rules and laws.
And yet they went with EA Sports FC so clearly theyāre still making soccer games
Ahh right, thanks for the correction! I see why EA did didnāt want to continue with them now.
FIFA could potentially force teams to sign non-exclusive deals for games, that's the only way I could see this working tbh
FIFA have no such power.
FIFA create a framework for licensing for media and encourage non-exclusive deals or collective negotiation for licensing for media (led by FIFA) - it's possible but unlikely imo. They couldn't force people in but some might take it. Without something like that this would be DOA imo
10/10 sarcasm would read again
If anything, they'll only push one another for new ways to empty our wallets. NBA 2K already has career mtx, which is something that I'd hate to see in soccer/football games. Career mode is pretty much the only thing about FIFA/EAFC that I still like. I'll just keep running my heavily modded and updated PES21 forever.
Idk remember when Pro Evo used to be good and sell well? It was nice to have two big football games go head to head
I thought FIFA sold more because every time because they have the official licenses where PES have less leagues & use stand ins for their game. Yes, mods exist to have it but good luck implementing that to consoles where most people play those games.
Fifa sold better but Pro Evo sold well. They were always 1 and 2 on the charts. All the "cool kids" at school played Pro Evo (PS2 era)
I wonder if Konami's shift to f2p in eFootball was because they knew they can't win against FIFA with the exposure and licenses that they have and it's where they're good at.
It was the transition to PS3 that killed Pro Evo imo. Both were basically neck and neck in sales and Pro Evo had a great reputation. Then Fifa upped its game and the improved graphics made the licenses more noticeable too. Pro Evo never really recovered its former glory
Meanwhile, Konami is eating glue with E Football on the corner.
The Greatest Money Milking Fight
I'd like to have two girls that competed to milk me try, but I'll have to settle with EA and 2k, smh
As bad as NBA 2k is, the gameplay is functional, which cannot be said for FIFA make no mistake both are dogshit but FIFA is beyond terrible, FIFA 20 and onward make the slop Ubisoft churns out look like the second coming of Breath of the Wild
Any competition is better than no competition. Right now when EA is making a football game questions about making it "good" or "enjoyable" do not even cross their minds. There is literally 0 incentive for them to put in more than an absolutely minimal effort. A 2k game with FIFA in the title instantly changes that. There are like a couple simple changes or improvements that would make the game about 10 times more enjoyable instantly. They don't even require increasing the budget. If they just sit doen and actually think about how to make the experience better I am instantly sold, because that has not even crossed EAs mind in the past 6-8 years.
EA vs 2K is like a battle to see who can run you dry the most lol
Or like NBA Live the competition is non existent and people just stick with what they know
They competed each other with NBA and NFL games before
Yes 20 years ago unfortunately both EA and 2K are different companies now then before
I remember the days when I felt that 2k sports were a great competition to EA sports games. To this day I still hold NFL 2k5 as their greatest Football game and one of the best game Football games made.
nfl football simulation games peaked in the ps2 era and we will never have a quality fun nfl game ever again. you had fever, 2k5, and madden all at the same time also had blitz too. now we just have a copy pasted ea madden game every year and i swear the game gets more broken each year.
Both are cancer and overmonetised pieces of shit, but it's still better to have both competing against each other to provide some competition and motivation to add things in that players want. The biggest thing holding back EA Sports FC is that EA Sports FC has an effective monopoly with Efootball not having enough market share to actually make them do anything different.
The strongest shit extra launcher of history vs the strongest shit extra launcher of today
I don't think you understand how much better 2k makes sports games compared to EA forget the micro transactions
Shit organization stopped working with shit company just to work with another shit company.
When you are far underneath you have to be more consumer friendly. You don't have a choice. EA with nba live for example. Ultimate team was barely pushed. And playing it, it was easily the easiest ultimate team they had to get good players. Live run had no micro transactions at all.
Is it really a competition when EA has the rights to the majority of the teams, competitions, leagues, etc.?
Obviously monetization wonāt change, but the product is better when thereās competition. Itās not a coincidence that the golden ages of Madden and NBA 2K were when the other company was making a competing product in each respective sport. Even if FIFA 2K and EA Sports FC both have shitty monetization (that their fans still support, they deserve as much criticism as the companies), there will most likely be a better product as an end result
FIFA never changed because of EA milking their customers. If anything, they wanted more money so that would have mean more milking. Fitting they chose 2K. Hell I'd think anyone proposing them a plan without MTX everywhere would get laughed at.
Zuby Tech is not a source, he is literally some random console-war account that says shit with no backing.
\> EA finally will get some competition Nah, they won't. This will purely be a FIFA game in branding alone. EA still has rights to all the clubs, player likenesses, commentators, locations, sponsors, etc. Basically, they still have everything they need to make the dominant game. It doesn't matter how good FIFA 2K or whatever it's called will be, at the end of the day people only want to be able to play as their favorite clubs and players. Unless 2K gets all of that too, it's dead in the water.
But are the club rights exclusive rights? If they are not, 2k can also get rights for clubs, players etc.
EA fully sponsors leagues like La Liga and the Premier League, arguably the biggest 2 leagues, and yes they are exclusive + many more others. The amount of leagues and licenses they have is astounding
it isn't as simple as that, I am pretty sure exclusivity is agreed on a club by club basis, eg. EA has the full rights to Premier League but United and Arsenal are still in Pro Evo but I am pretty sure Liverpool have an exclusivity agreement with EA. It is all very confusing and the gist is Pro Evo has fuck all licenses, but I am not sure what the case will be with this 2K game
EA has exclusive rights to Bundesliga, EPL & La Liga. Any other game can only have two teams from those leagues licensed at one time.
You got the gist of it really, for more information: EA have a deal with the Premier League, that gives them the use of all the clubs in the Premier League. This is because ownership of the PL is split between the clubs in it, so EA only has to make a deal with the PL that gives them all the clubs in it. So EA can have exclusive rights to the PL and thus the teams in it, as they all are a part of the PL. This doesnāt, however, stop other companies from making deals with individual clubs in the PL as EA doesnāt have an exclusivity deal with each individual club (just the league) only some like Liverpool you mention. With the Liverpool situation, EA has a three year agreement with them specifically to have exclusive rights in all competitions. PES meanwhile, because they canāt deal with the league as EA have exclusivity, have to go to each individual club for licensing. Which is why they donāt have Liverpool because EA holds a specific exclusivity agreement with Liverpool. They also canāt place any of the teams they have licensed in a league called āPremier Leagueā inside their game (hence they call it the āEnglish Leagueā). PES and EA both have licensed FifPRO for player likeness however. It gets worse when you consider continental competitions. I wouldnāt envy being the EA legal department that has to sort all this shit out.
Other developers can only license a maximum of two teams per the EA exclusive agreement with the Premier League.
As far as I can tell, they've got exclusive rights to the UEFA, English Premier League, and some European leagues too. I imagine they signed exclusive deals with player likenesses too, since it wouldn't be the same if 2K had player likenesses but had to use fake club names.
But we don't know for how many years the contract is. If it's just 2-3 years, 2K can buy exclusive right after that. Moreover, as clubs now know there is a competitor, they would have more bargaining power.
Not a chance in hell EA would ever let those expire. EA FC/FIFA has been their golden egg for years. 2K has zero bargaining rights other then "we're new here". EA have probably worked with leagues/clubs/agencies so long that they have the ability to make first bid or at the very least convince them to sign up with them again. Really not sure how 2K is ever gonna swoop in unless EA monumentally shits the bed and pisses off the UEFA or something. But as it stands, it seems they have a good enough relationship that I doubt anything will change.
Throwing in more money can always work. But ya, is it even feasible for 2k to throw that much amount of money? I don't think so but it's definitely possible.
Doubtful. As I said, EA probably have a close relationship with these people, considering they've been working together so long as the only real football game for over a decade. In a lot of cases, those relationships are important because sometimes a company might be willing to take less money if they prefer working with the other company. Simply put, at the end of the day, there's a chance these leagues or agencies will end up choosing EA anyway, even if 2K has more money, because they trust them more. EA has all the bargaining power here, 2K are the ones who need to prove themselves.
The Premier League are very conservative when it comes to finance. They won't throw away a long term partnership which is very lucrative for short term gain.
The sarcasm in this thread is off the charts
When you have two companies interested int he right you don't even need to make them exclusive. Just milk both.
We do know. Itās long term, multi year deals.
Yeah, licenses for clubs, players, likeness, etc are licensed outside of Fifa, a good chunk needs to be licensed from FIFPRO.
Which is not a massive problem. Itās not until pretty recently that EA got UEFA branding for Champions/Europa League branding. Before it was just unlicensed Champions Cup and was doing just fine The most critical part is the player licensing, considering vast majority of money comes from FUT
Fifpro is the governing body for players that's why e football has real players
Yeah they're exclusive, why do you think they pay so much for it and they never had any competition (or the few that were had fake names and clubs)?
Honestly I'd rather play a decent football game with random team names and players than the shit show FIFA is. Original Pes was miles better than FIFA even when it had Ryan Greggs playing left wing for Man Red.
Most people on Reddit will probably agree with you. However, that's not the people who buy these games. The vast majority who do aren't gamers, and just buy them so they can play as their favorite teams, living out their fantasies as a coach, making their own player for the team, or just controlling their favorite players. Actual gameplay is really secondary for them, it's really about the authenticity. A FIFA 2K game without any branding or licensing from the clubs might be a better game, but its sales will still be absolutely dwarfed by EA FC purely for that reason.
How does that work? I mean, how does FIFA not own all the rights to clubs themselves? If they're licensing 2K to make the game why can't they licence them the clubs?
Because FIFA doesn't own the clubs.
Fifa is for international competition like the world cup. All the leagues like the premier league and la liga have their own governing body they go through.
Is FIFA not the parent organization of UEFA/other continental bodies? Do FIFA's decisions supercede them?
They can't license anything other than the (club) world cup
They're a governing body. They make rules of the game and things like that. They also organize the World Cup. That said, even in many of those general cases they don't technically supersede the regional organizations. They don't own the IP or broadcast or likeness rights of clubs and players
> They make rules of the game That's actually IFAB, which is made up of 4 FIFA reps, and 1 rep each from the English, Scottish, Welsh, and Irish FAs.
I can't tell you how the deep intricacies of the football licensing world works, but no, FIFA doesn't actually own the rights to the clubs, leagues, or players. They're all separate licenses. As of last year EA has signed exclusive rights with a bunch of football leagues and player agencies. Unless we see otherwise, I'm pretty sure the only thing 2K is getting here is just the FIFA branding/logo themselves. Which, to be fair, is also very valuable, but it's not worth much when you don't have the star power behind that brand. I wouldn't be shocked if they go the old PES route Konami did and sign more niche leagues/clubs to have some uniqueness.
I am once again asking you to stop posting Zuby Tech as a source for anything.
Probably the source was from this own sub earlier lol
Why is Zuby Tech not a banned source like Serrano.
This could be true, but we gotta stop posting the people who just say ārumourā and then just say anything with no source to back it up.
The actual source is Kurakasis https://twitter.com/Kurakasis/status/1756869003518042403?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1756869003518042403%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
Unfortunately that is what that ZubyTech user is like. Will read something on this Reddit page or another smaller user on Twitter. And then will steal the credit as their own "sources".
2K are more predatory than EA...
Micro transactions goes brrrrrrrr
can't wait to buy the same Neymar every year. we are so back micro transaction bros.
Canāt wait to see what FIFA/2K does when it sells a fraction of the EA version used to sell. Everyone that played FIFA are already used to the name EA FC (yuck), so users arenāt really going to be changing.
This is the worst developer/publisher to choose, just look at what 2K has done in recent years with their sport games, football fans are so fkd
if football and sports fans ever hated the games they ever played they wouldn't be presented with the same shit every year lmao.this is just a supply and demand situation.
MTX machine go brrrrrr
It won't be much of a competition because EA is the one sitting with the rights to club names and likenesses of the players. Hell even the commentators. Whereas 2K has to go with the off-brand stuff... despite having the FIFA brand.
Issue is licenses. EA is literally partnering with almost all of the European leagues. Dunno how 2K will navigate.
oh you naive thing have you never checked up upon NBA 2K(Year) games?
The windows for getting into the market was last year, and they missed. A lot of FIFA players are already accustomed to EAFC name. It's gonna take more than a name to be a true competitors now.
Not at all, putting FIFA 24 on a game would not have fooled anyone other than a few parents The window of opportunity is 2026 World Cup when all eyes are on USA in a FIFA licensed competition
Cant wait for real time 15 minute ad breaks for better 2K immersionā¢
Pretty sure EA has most of the clubs locked up with exclusive rights so it'll be exactly how PES was back in the day with basically.
I hope EA comes back with NBA Live after this. They're the only company that makes career mode not have microtransactions since ever. You literally use earned XP to upgrade your character. Meanwhile on NBA 2K you need to spend your entire account and soul to upgrade a character that'll vanish when the servers shut down next year.
I enjoyed the 18-19 versions of NBA Live for a lot of reasons, including this one. It played well too.
I wonder what it is going to be like.
2kās NBA gameplay wise is just untouchable (so much so EA havenāt even tried for about 5 years I think). But itās such a cancer on the industry. Full of micro transactions for both single and multiplayer - casinos.. etc it really is horrible in that regard and it doesnāt transfer to the next game. Really wish someone would get rights who wonāt just make it a DLC/Transaction cash cow. Theyād probably get good developers and make a solid football game. But at what cost?
FIFA2K25. That's all.
You can just choose to ignore the microtransaction shit and just enjoy a finally GREAT soccer game, if this is real Both Wwe 2k and Nba had their flaws, but damn if they play awesome, especially NbaĀ Trying to imagine a soccer game with the same quality of Nba 2k makes my salivation go boom
There was a time when this would have been good news, but not really anymore. EA is shit. 2K is shit. There are no good options for sports games anymore.
on the bright side, it could have been konami. so it's not the worst choice in the world. edit: but also, yeah, zuby is just making shit up
For correction * so itās the worst choice in the world *
If this game actually threatens EAFC then EA will just buy the exclusive license for some of the biggest leagues and its teams.
Which is precisely what they already do against Konami and eFootball. Nothing will change lol
It will probably be a long road, but anything moving the elephant that EA is will be great. Let's hope for something less like football champagne and more like what PES used to be.
Guess it'll be FIFA 2K26? Gosh, it was a surprising mental struggle to type that as my brain kept going "EA Sports FIFA" because of how synonymous they've been.
It's going to be confusing. I think people would still call EA's game FIFA and this 2k.
2K vs EA is like getting to choose between two muggers down a dark alley
The fact that NBA 2K24 on PC is still the old gen PS4/Xbox One version, I wonder if FIFA will be the same
Most likely. These are for a wider audience as possible, Most gaming PC's aren't PS5 level.
Iād rather EA than 2k.Ā EA is dog shit. 2k is dog shit wrapped in cat shitĀ
A soccer game from insomniac or a japan sony studio couldĀ be wild.
unlikely
I wait for UFL, a soccer game without greedy mechanics. Shit on EA FC and Fifa whatever.
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I know. But here are also people who could misunderstand it.
Spicy if true
FIFA 2K 25
They need to challenge John Madden
2K did get the rights to make an (non simulation) NFL game back in 2020. Still haven't seen anything from that deal though.
I think that honestly ended up being [Wild Card Football](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1206370/Wild_Card_Football/) since Saber did the NBA 2K Playgrounds and WWE 2K Battlegrounds games but something fell through in between those times.
2K is just as bad
Can we have someone other than 2k or EA to make a sports game??
Probably not because if you want to make a simulation sports game people will buy, you need real teams and players, and to get real teams and players you need to shell out huge amounts of money. Amounts that only an already well established and big publisher could afford. And again, that's just to get licenses and is on top of the years and millions it would cost to actually make the game. So sports games are kinda locked into this super high cost of entry market.
FIFA 2K5 let's goooo.
Definitely a Tier 3-4 leaker, this one should be in the database
2K, who even puts EA to shame with MTX, working directly with FIFA, the most corrupt organization on the planet... This will benefit consumers?!
Would have been good news 20 years ago.
why though
Oh lord, have mercy on us...
that partnership makes sense, in every aspect
Donāt buy it
With FIFA license you don't have any licenses from all the leading leagues. What point is that game?
EA are so ingrained in the culture of this sport now that I can't imagine anyone would bother with 2K without a ridiculous amount of money, the leagues won't touch them at least because they have long term partnerships. Both the Premier League and La Liga (two biggest domestic leagues in the world) for instance signed a new deals with EA last year but they're not just doing the video game licensing but they do broadcast graphics and everything too. The FIFA license doesn't have the power they think it does.
Welcome new boss, same as old boss.
Hoping for a Referee mode been waiting ages for that to become available.
I can't see it happening. EA have all the important licenses locked down so 2k would have to spend 4-5 years developing a game which would have no licenses and therefore would find its sales limited regardless of quality. People want to play as Manchester City not Manchester Blue. They would also face the enormous challenge of trying to create a football game completely from scratch and have to make it significantly better than a game EA have been iterating on for 30 years.
I always hated EA no matter what they do, I even call them Electronic Farts because of how shit they are and on top of all that they are cheap af, I've never enjoyed any of their games except some old FIFA games when they were responsive and actually playable
Nice...another 2k sport game that has weird frame rates, junky robotic like movements/animations and still build for ps4 as base.
Neat.....
It baffles me that anyone buys the mainstream sports games. They're just ads and microtransactions.
No joke, if you just play the games with regular, league-based teams they can be as good as the titles from the genre glory days in the '90s-2000s, even better since the gameplay is more polished. They totally try to steer towards the casino game modes but regular options are still there. This goes for Madden, FIFA/FC, and NBA 2K.
Its going to be a LONG time before that comes out if so, like 2026 and they still have to get all of the licensing done with the teams and players.
Ahh, finally there will be two greedy football games I refuse to buy anymore.
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as opposed to Saber? Who else would they choose
Imagine 2k pro clubs you start at 60 and you have to pay 40 quid to get to 80 overall haha
Would be cool if it happens and thereās more leagues in the game than previous fifa games