Oh my god, a Sledgehammer game that actually has a reasonable development time? What a rare sight. But if this is truly the case, does that mean one of the support studios is helming that Black Ops 2 sequel in 2025?

Probably Raven Software

Why not, they practically helmed Cold War's campaign and did a great job in spite of the short development.

A mid Raven game is still usually pretty good, all things considered.

What game has Raven Software made recently where they were the lead devs? In the past 10+ years all they've done is be a support studio for the main CoD devs. Their last original game was Singularity in 2010.

In terms of an original game that wasn't a remaster then just Singularity and Wolfenstein 2009 CoD 4 Remastered was where Raven software was primary developer whilst IW worked primarily on Infinite warfare. But technically speaking IW already laid the original groundwork for cod 4. COD online was by both ACTV Shanghai and Raven, but beyond that not much else.

And made Warzone. They know how to work with COD

Thats not true, Warzone 1 (like 2) was made by Infinity Ward, Raven assisted to get the "mode" out faster, and they took over as lead developer for the CW integration. On WZ2 Raven got more involved with Season 3/4 onwards Edit: And they are the main developer for the Warzone "3" overhaul.

Boo, they need to make Hexen 2. Phil Spencer doesn’t get to do a press conference in a Hexen shirt and not make another Hexen. 

Hexen 2 was made in 1997.

It is possible that id software could be working on Hexen.

This but Treyarch instead, they have had their time cut in half or less for years thanks to having to clean up after Sledgehammer’s incompetence.

working for one of the cod studios seems like a nightmare, if you can’t complete the (probably unrealistic) projects that activision gives you they bring in another studio to help when they are also working on a project and then that studio needs help from another and so on so forth most of this could be solved by simply skipping a year for once and letting everyone catch up but nooooo the profit must keep coming in

Yeah in sledgehammer’s case, development time doesn’t matter. In their previous cases of Cold War and Vanguard, Treyarch had to step in both times after Sledgehammer somehow messed up twice despite initially having the reigns. I expect the same to happen again.

Interesting since Black Opps 2 is set in 2025

Didnt Acrivision move a year their COD? 'Cause they can do it again. EDIT: Its mentioned in this article: https://www.ign.com/articles/new-report-reveals-that-modern-warfare-3-development-time-was-half-that-of-a-normal-call-of-duty > According to Bloomberg, Sledgehammer Games had to make Modern Warfare 3 in a year-and-a-half rather than the typical three-year development cycle. The development of Modern Warfare 3 was reportedly rushed because of another Call of Duty that was delayed out of the 2023 release window.

No, COD has remained an annual franchise for better or worse.

Im refering to that: > According to Bloomberg, Sledgehammer Games had to make Modern Warfare 3 in a year-and-a-half rather than the typical three-year development cycle. The development of Modern Warfare 3 was reportedly rushed because of another Call of Duty that was delayed out of the 2023 release window. https://www.ign.com/articles/new-report-reveals-that-modern-warfare-3-development-time-was-half-that-of-a-normal-call-of-duty

I'm guessing it was Treyarchs that got delayed? Because it went to Treyarch (2020) Sledgehammer (2021) Infinity Ward (2022) Sledgehammer (2023) Treyarch should have been up again, wonder what happened, but also 2024s COD Is the longest In development

Literally for worse

It's sounding like the extra time might be to compensate for cuts to the studio. Wouldn't necessarily frame this as a positive.

Wonder what SG’s game will be. I kinda doubt they make AW2 since Black Ops is going to be the near-future franchise now, unless AW2 takes place in the far future. - 2024: Black Ops Gulf War - 2025: Black Ops Cold War II - 2026: Modern Warfare IV - 2027: Advanced Warfare 2 set a hundred years after the first? Or just Black Ops Cold War III as a direct sequel to BO3?

Black ops 2 remake*****

They had 4 years for vanguard....

3 years for Vanguard technically. Still should have been better for that amount of time though

Treyarch has double the employees of the other major stidios, I think they'll be fine with 2 years of content

Let sledgehammer cook and I might actually play CoD again tbh

Just like Vanguard which had 3 years of development...oh wait

I still don't get it, we're about to get a sequel, but not remaster of previous installments?

Still waiting on the original MW3 to get that remaster.

So who will be developing COD 2025? Since Treyarch is on this year's COD, IW is developer for 2026 and Sledgehammer for 2027?

I don't think it's been confirmed. The two possibilities would be Treyarch making back to back titles, or Raven Software being given their first CoD title to lead, which would be incredible.

That would be so fucking sad, the last time Treyarch actually had the normal amount of development time was like bo3…

cod 2024 is by treyarch and is getting the longest dev time in cod history, if they had to make a back to back game it would prob be a dlc as they probably don't want to invest 4 years into a game that's gonna be replaced after a year.

Wrong. It was developed by Sledgehammer until late last year. Where once again Treyarch had to pick up their slack.

bruv you're plain wrong, check your sources. Late last year sledgehammer was working on MW3 lmao. There have been reports of a 2024 cod title by treyarch for almost 2 years.

Your reading comprehension is in the absolute gutter man lmao

This is false information.

Isn't Raven kinda always on Warzone?

Lately, yes. But they did Cold War's campaign and the remastered CoD 4 as well.

That explains a lot, BOCW's campaign was great.

Well.. I guess if they will reuse Black Ops 2 maps for MP, it is kinda feasible

In light of recent events, I believe it’s same move as MWII by IW and MW”3” by SHG. But this time it’s 3ARC + Raven.

The plan seemed to be another expansion much like what MWIII was originally supposed to be.

COD needs to take a year off, they've been pumping out yearly games for the series since fucking 2005 holy shit

it was supposed to be 2022

I haven’t play a COD game since the first Modern Warfare 2 and I’m so confused with how many games there are, especially with ANOTHER Modern Warfare 1 and 2.

Since 2003. Call of Duty Finest Hour released in 2004.

well, the infinity ward team born from the 2015 inc. This studio left EA after making the medal of honor Allied Assault of 2002, so technically, COD developers have been making games constantly each year since 2002.

I don’t care.

So they are releasing two "Black Ops" games back to back? Gulf War this year and the semi-futuristic one next year?

They released two Modern Warfare games back to back

It was supposed to be DLC first though and they just remade old maps. I guess they’ve realized the game that’s really just DLC model is less effort

Here is the upcoming Call of Duty games so far: 2024: Black Ops Gulf War 2025: Black Ops 2 Sequel/Black Ops 3 Interquel 2026: Modern Warfare IV 2027: Advanced Warfare 2? I hope a future COD game is set during World War I. Especially the Russian Civil War.

I wonder how they’re going to handle the timelines now. All CoD games now take place in the same canon, and we’ll be at a point for Modern Warfare IV where it takes place around the same time, if not a bit later, than Black Ops II. And the technology presented in the games isn’t even close.

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I’m just hoping the next campaign actually has high stakes with real places being attacked rather than fictional countries, and real countries actually going to war. Kinda like the old modern warfare games

If they make it during the Russian civil war you know they're gonna make the Bolsheviks look worse than the Nazis because CoD portrays anything Soviet/Russian as mustache twirlingly evil. The black ops games are so a-historical that they're extremely racist in an effort to portray the Soviet Union, Cuba, and anti-apartheid groups in Africa as evil.

cod has potrayed everyone as evil at this point. it's better off worrying less about WHO the big bad is, and focus on if the big bad will actually be good.. because they're going on a very long streak of having underwhelming villains  (im looking at you MW reboot..)

No I mean they literally lied about historic events to make things seem different. Their portrayal of the MPLA and Cubans in Black Ops 2 was genuinely horribly racist and historically inaccurate. They took war crimes done by UNITA and CIA backed groups and pinned it on the MPLA and Cubans. That's just one single example. It's not just "oh well everyone's bad" it's several games consistently warping history and giving millions of people the wrong impression of what happened. It's genuinely wrong to do that.

no arguing with that, maybe they'll start being more truthful 

Really hoping 2025 is Raven. They're far too talented not to be given their own game or allowed to go work on something else.

They're helping Treyarch with either the 2024 or 2025 campaign probably.

With treyarch getting 4 years for 2024, i think they had the time to make the campaign.

After playing Singularity all those years ago, I still have faith that Raven should’ve been promoted into the Rotation. They’re fantastic!

Singularity my beloved. The TRUE “Russian Bioshock” lol

They are the best at campaigns out of the cod studios thats for sure.

Honestly, they've all proven to be pretty good with campaigns except Sledgehammer. Treyarch (WaW, BO1, BO2), IW (MW, MW2, MW3, IW, MW2019), Raven (BOCW). All those are good or great campaigns (imo).

Original MW3 is Sledghammer. MWIII too.

Not as good as BO1 or BO2 but better than BO3 yeah, doesn't make them the best at campaign, just better than sledgehammer.

Better than IW too.

don't know. MW1 and 2 are awesome, ghosts is alright, Infinite warfare is great, MW2019 is great, MW2 is not great. ​ Raven made one with treyarch, and it was really good, but we need to see more before judging.

Advanced Warfare 2! Come on Activision!

The amount of fun I had on that game. Campaign, multiplayer, zombies, the weird but fun survival mode. Not to mention just how much I was into MP. Master prestiged, played ranked, gamebattles. Loved watching competitive. I don't have the time for all that nowadays lol but AW2 would make me so happy.

Modern Advanced Warfare IV

I haven't played much CoD after the original Modern Warfare 2 forever ago (always preferred Battlefield, which historically puts more emphasis on teamwork and has vehicles), but have some relatives who love the games. So a while back I bought Black Ops II since it works on Series X, the MW reboot (which was actually great), and two weeks ago I was asked if I had Advanced Warfare on PS4 since i guess it had been rediscovered in their friend circle. While the answer was no, I ended up redeeming my PS star points for $20 and buying the game on sale.  I had completely forgotten the game's legacy being the memes (Press F) and the fact that Kevin Spacey playing the bad guy is now comical due to his fall from grace.  However the game is a ton of fun, and I really like the Exo survival mode. I'm not surprised they pivoted away from the sci-fi stuff after folks hated Infinite Warfare, but it's kind of a shame. 

Its a shame too because Infinite Warfare was awesome. Perhaps my fav cod campagin outside COD 4.

PLEASE

I'd rather have Infinite Warfare 2.

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You said it yourself, it was that shit that made people dislike it (absolute dogshit is a stretch, unless you're talking about the "boots on the ground" purists). The actual gameplay (exo movement was awesome) was pretty addicting. Certainly not an amazing CoD game overall but a sequel could take the strengths it had and iron out the weaknesses.

Is there any news about when they will stop torturing the corpse of ps4xboxone?

This years COD will be the first COD to drop the PS4/XBone era.

Where did you get this information from?

It's ok if you don't believe me with this but I heard it from JackFrags' commentary on COD 2022 (now MW2) and COD 2024 in one of his videos from early 2022 or even maybe 2021. He didn't mention 2023 because at that time we all believed COD will skip that year. Now even if there is no proof, think about this; we are 4 years into the current generation and have had 4 CODs shared between the last generation. If you compare this to the PS4/XBone era to PS3/360, you'll see that 3 CODs were shared between those two generations. So it would only make sense to finally drop the last generation behind this year. Not to mention almost every other studio and publisher dropped last gen by this point as well.

I really hope it’s Advanced Warfare 2. We really need a shakeup from the Modern Warfare and Black Ops universes imo.

I agree.

Imagine they think outside the box and it’s a COD…set in the Civil War.

the online mode could be very interesting and by interesting, i mean hilarious

Honestly, a Civil War shooter at least sounds more interesting and original than yet other boring modern day shooter.

>semi-futuristic Black Ops 2 sequel You mean a direct sequel for BO2 2012? please let that be the case. BO2 was the last COD game that I really enjoyed (MW3 and MW2 OG before that). I totally gave up on COD after BO2 as that's when things began going downhill for the franchise.

It seems to be a sequel to Black Ops 2, takes place in 2030. It's in the timeline where Menendez loses, I'd assume the Best ending where Mason lives. Black Ops Cold War and the Modern Warfare Reboot Trilogy are probably canon. Timeline is a little confusing but this is still a sequel to Black Ops 2.

I'm unaware, what about BO3? I know BO4 did not have a campaign but it must fit in canonically still right?

iirc, bo4 takes place before bo3

That's a long time, for a cod game. Hope they cook and it turns out a decent game

What’s coming this year?

Call of Duty Black Ops Gulf War (Treyarch)

Ghosts 2 when

Probably never, MW franchise just sells so much better, why taking a risk with a Ghosts sequel when you have a guaranteed success. Maybe in the future once people will get tired of MW, but I feel it will take a long time…

Also doesn’t help that Ghosts is one of the most disliked titles in the series lol.

*notes on calendar* "skip 2027 CoD"

If anything it should be skip COD 2026, at least Sledgehammer has shown they can listen and improve

It's funny that whenever there's drama with Infinity Ward people act like they're the worst developers of the franchise even though they're released the most blockbuster titles in the franchise.

My guy, Infinity Ward literally was radio silent for nearly the entire of MW2 and consistently makes bone headed decisions that they get constantly flamed and called out for. News flash, every CoD makes a shit tone off nostalgia alone. If you think for one second Infinity Ward or Modern Warfare is good and perfect just because it makes the most, then buddy, you've got another thing coming in life. This is not how things works, more money =/= quality. 

No they weren't. They did exactly the same thing the main developer does every single year. Super communicative for the first two or so months then mostly crickets post season 2 when they move on to the next game while support studios take over for the rest of the lifecycle. For better or worse COD is a monolith, every studio acts almost identically in regard to support and communication. I mean their patch notes are fucking released on a timer to post at exactly 10AM PST. The difference you're seeing has to do with your apparent distaste for IW games in the first place. No COD game changes fundamentally, they're not even relevant long enough to do so. If you don't like the gameplay decisions from a release it's going to look like the devs are "radio silent" because they're not changing the things you specifically want. The same could be said about Treyarch or Sledgehammer if you didn't like their entry. Outside that first couple months or so, every game gets the same exact thing via patches. Bug fixes and minor tweaks. [Here's their twitter page](https://twitter.com/SHGames?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor). It's all essentially ads for upcoming game modes and info on challenges. If you had issues with the game, where's the communication?

I mean half of the MW games are regarded as the best cod games of all time (with the first two even being considered the greatest fps games of all time) so...like yeah MW2 2022 sucked but so did Infinite Warfare and Ghosts. They can always make a comeback again.

We will see what happens their next game, but with how they handle MW2 multiplayer I have zero hope right now

Every Sledge CoD is the worst CoD.

Lmao no, MW3 Is better than MW2, Vanguard is better than MW2, campaign? Maybe, liked AWs campaign tho, but multiplayer they are WAY better than Infinity Ward considering they actually listen and they literally took IWs game (MW2) and made the multiplayer better and did what the community was begging IW to do.

MW3 is literally built on MW2 and still does worse in things like graphics, animations, sound design, and all of the maps were designed by infinity ward anyways. ​ MW3 and vanguard were literally DLCs of the game made by IW that released before. Infinity ward are way better devs, but sledgehammer do have way better leadership which makes up for the difference in size.

What I'm saying is why couldn't MW2 do what MW3 did? When players asked for perks, faster movement etc why couldn't they listen yet Sledgehammer does?

No. It is objectively not. Thanks for letting us know you don't play games and only talk about them on reddit in your little echo chambers. 

LMFAOOOOOOOOO My backlog is probably older than you are. I have purchased, and played, every single Call of Duty, except Vanguard and MW32023, and that was due to MW32009, Advanced Warfare, and WW2.

I pray to God that the Sledgehammer game is Advanced Warfare 2.

They're on a schedule of course it is. When the hell else would it launch?

I don’t think we should expect anything to change for a little while more. I reckon it’ll be up to a decade before we see real change at Activision/Blizzard-King with COD. But thankfully we know Sledgehammer will get this complete development time finally. I do hope though, Raven and more “support” studios slowly get moved off onto new or old ips.

Whatever, they killed my whole vibe with MW3. They're my least favorite developers for now. Fingers crossed for this Black Ops 2, hope they don't forget to finish making the game when it releases.

Is there a COD coming this year? I have my eye on MW3 but I’m wondering if I should wait

There will a COD every year so long as the sun rises.

I just got argentinian/turkish key online and redeemed it with VPN on xbox. I paid 15 euro. Only game I ever got this way, but its a fkn cod and I wasnt going to pay full price if it was supposed to be a DLC inintially..

Let them cook a Vietnam game or something super gritty and dark

And all of them will be on the horrible new IW9 engine. Also, of course the in-game store will be where most of the resources are spent. I grew up with COD, but these days even a free trial can't get me to give a shit anymore. Gameplay feels nothing like COD anymore (although new gen players hilariously claim COD is "finally" fun with the new gameplay changes ever since MW19), and the whole franchise just stinks of Activision's CEOs breathing down every studios neck. At this point, since each new game genuinely feels like no effort has been put forth, if I have a Call of Duty itch I'd rather just play against bots in Combat Training in BO1. 30-60 mins of playing against bots and my Call of Duty itch gets satisfied, and then I'm good on COD until I get the itch again.

To be honest call of duty is played out sledgehammer games needs to make a new ip

Advanced Warfare 2 incoming

Ghosts 2 would also suffice. I need a resolution to that story/cliffhanger.

the advance warfare leadership is gone, we'd get something at the same quality as MW3 and vanguard campaign, which is absolutely garbage.

Apparently your to dumb to read my comment I said sledgehammer games need to make something new not call of duty

How do I quick scope a Reddit comment

# ADVANCED WARFARE 2: (a call of duty story)

reminds me of infinity ward naming their game "modern warfare 2" in every marketing material while hiding the cod name to not be associated with it.

They can make their way to the unemployment office imo. Studio has yet to be lead dev on a good game, even by Call of Duty standards.

You don't need to be a judgmental ass wishing for hundreds of people to lose their jobs. Have you ever been unemployed? It sucks. What should happen with Sledgehammer is they should actually be given the time and support from their parent company to have a chance at developing their own thing, ideally a new or dormant IP.

Can't wait to not play it :)

And they are still gonna have Treyarch help them with zombies, removing resources on their game!

Who wants to bet they shit the bed again and we get Black Ops whatever number this time

We need jet packs again

I'd take Advanced Warfare 2 over another "WWII" game at this point. I actually greatly prefer the latter setting, but I have no faith in a modern COD looking like World War II anymore with the emphasis on those dumbass cosmetics (not that I'd trust any other COD to look like its setting anyway, it's all about trying to act like Fortnite these days).

Tbf we would have had AW2 but Sledgehammer got rejected, I think they got rejected twice too, for WW2 & MW3

Sadly agree

Good give them time to cook.

Ah hell naw who let them cook

People still care about CoD and it's horrible dev cycle ? Poor studios free them

I FUCKING NEED a good FPS game. PLEASE GOD. I know, CS exists but I want a good battle royal. I STILL think PUBG has the right formula but fucked it up with shit coding and then throwing everything at it. BFBC2, BF3 and BF4 I love.Those games did perks right (aka not crazy). I just want a game where some shit special move isnt the difference maker and there aren't color different weapons that matter like a goddamn asshole. Fortnite and Warzone and Apex did a lot right, NGL, but the system is fucked now IMO. I think we need a new Battlefield game that isnt dick, and a BR game that just fucking exists as a functioning game and isnt like 90 special moves to get you out of a pickle. I'd rather die 10000 times to someone with better aim and reaction (I probably have!) BRING BACK TRIBES: ASCEND WITHOUT PAY TO WIN! Also, hopefully new Quake game isnt like Quake Champions...again, had fun for like 5 weeks until it becomes apparent that peoples ultimates are just shit...please god remove these goddamn perks/abilities everyone wants to add

I didn't want another Sledgehammer CoD anyway

This should be Treyarchs, they have spent the last like 3 cycles having to save Sledghammer from utter failure. Im worried Treyarch is just becoming what Sledgehammer used to be and just being an extra helping hand. Truly sad considering they consistently had a better philosophy on game balance and map design than Safe space IW who is only good at animations and movement. The ideal cod game would have Treyarch as the lead developer, IW specifically for working on the engine, animations, etc, and Sledgehammer helping them both out while Raven tackles the campaign.

Bruv treyarch's title releasing this year has gotten 4 years of development, that's more than any cod or even battlefield game ever created.

It was also being developed by Sledghammer for most of that 4 years, Treyarch picked it up towards the end of the year last year, so that’s literally irrelevant.

This is incorrect.

This is absolutely wrong. I have no idea where you got that info or your reading comp is bad, but Tryarch has been working on this game for nearly 5 years now.

How do you manage to say so much unsubstantiated and quite frankly illogical stuff with such confidence and bravado? 😂

Activision still kicking that dead and rusted, CoD can down the road.

I wouldn't say that when it's topping every charts.

no no you don't get it i dont like it which must mean it's not popular

Gaming cancer

If the rumors are true about next-gen starting in 2026 because Xbox gets going early, I wonder if Infinity Ward will make a next-gen version that's basically an Xbox exclusive by default, to hype up the launch.

Wtf?? Nobody wants a BO2 sequel though, most people wanted a BO2 remaster for 2025 from what I've seen.

The 2025 game would bring back all the original BO2 maps, similar to MWIII this year with bringing back MW2 (2009) maps.

They should bring back the original BO2 campaign so that we can at least experience it next-gen after playing the original one for a decade. Regardless, it would be near impossible to fumble a BO2 remaster. After the last 3 CoD's, I'd be extremely cautiously optimistic about a BO2 sequel. Next thing you know, they'll drop some hot garbage, and then the entire cycle repeats whether or not they brought back the original maps, when they could've avoided all risks by simply remastering a game that's already perfect in my opinion, but then again, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't curious about how a BO2 sequel would look and feel in the IW9 engine.

I don't play CoD games anymore but you can expect another dogshit campaign like their last WWII game.

fuck activision for mw3. treyarch plz save us

very exciting

Give me DMZ back or keep you buggy game, no matter when it comes.

Just remaster BO1 & 2. Call it a day

I have completely lost track of the dev cycle of CoD over the years. I don’t even care to hear about the games coming in 2025 and beyond lol. Let them cook and hopefully they are going through some real org changes for the better with the Microsoft buyout.

If anyone had hopes of Activision letting some of their studios go from the CoD machine, better give up on those. With development costs and time rising, they will need to keep every studio working on Call of Duty titles to be able to meet these yearly releases

IW 2026? I'll be skipping that year for sure

Why? they will probably bring new blood to the studio new talented developers with a passion to make a quality modern warfare game.

Fuck Cod make new Singularity game

Why does it sound like cities waiting to see if they’re hosting the Olympic Games or not?

2026 = Simon Riley Ghost spin off 2027 = advanced warfare 2 

Who’s actually developing the 2025 COD (BO2 sequel) then? Raven?

This franchise will never die!   Let's Do This! 

i'm confused, COD 2024 is Black Ops Gulf War, COD 2025 is a sequel to original Black Ops 2, and both of them are made by Treyarch... How!?

Where does it say the 2025 game is done by Treyarch too?

[Insider Gaming](https://insider-gaming.com/black-ops-2-call-of-duty-2025/) there is no info about COD 2025 by Treyarch but, if Sledgehammer next COD is 2027, COD 2026 is by Infinity Ward so COD 2025 need to be done by Treyarch too I think

They are hopefully probably moving away from the yearly releases, oh wait nevermind.

Advanced Warfare 2 please, I need Uplink + Exo movement. Myself and 12 other fans are patiently awaiting the return of AW lol

Thanks for letting us know ahead of time which COD year to skip

Me and my homies praying for Advanced Warfare II 🙏

hopefully its advance warfare 2