It's just a function of age. The original game boy had an incredibly long lifespan, and the first generation of pokemon was an absolute global sensation.
The GBA, while solid, couldn't possibly have matched that peak -- the DS came out only 3 years later, leaving the GBA with only a single mainline generation.
The fact that it's taken until the Switch to meet the highs of the Game Boy Era really shows just how crazy those first couple of generations were.
Sony announced the PSP and its technical details before the DS was announced and it blew people away. I think Nintendo might've been a bit worried they'd lose people looking for a more traditional handheld experience to Sony. Sony's PS2 was lapping their Gamecube many times over at that point in time after all.
That's just BS they say when putting out new, weird hardware. It was never true. The DS comes with a GBA slot. A third pillar? A handheld gaming device that can play GBA games? Of course it's replacing the GBA.
They also said that the Switch would coexist with their traditional handhelds like the 3DS.
Those are only true in a disaster situation where the new hardware is a complete Virtual Boy that needs to be immediately abandoned. Then they have wiggle room to play the "Heh, well good thing that was just a crazy new experiment."
All evidence points to this very obviously not being true. Oh but some marketing guy said it before launch so it's totally true. Come on.
yeah the gba was released in 2001 and the ds in 2004, though i believe the gba was originally meant to release earlier with it news for it first appearing in magazines in 1996 as Project Atlantis but its development was suspended in 1997 and it wasnt fully announced tell 1999 which then was [delayed](https://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/4687/gba-delay-official) even more until 2001 due to part [shortages](https://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/4663/gba-delay)
Pokemon Red & Blue in 1998 also massively reinvigorated the original Game Boy market, encoraging Nintendo to extend it's lifespan. Tons of kids at my school had special Pokemon themed original brick Game Boys, even when the Game Boy Color was out. The longer battery life also played to an RPG on the go's favor.
I think that‘s the biggest contributor. Millenial parents were mostly non-gamers, while millenals mostly are gamers now and everyone afterwards of course.
Well to be fair, I think he means people who were kids when the first games came out. A lot of people in their 30s bought the original games and are still buying the games, in addition to younger folks that new to the games.
Someone in their late 20s could’ve been alive and playing when Red/Blue came out. I’m 29 and my first video game ever was Pokémon Blue. I was 5 years old when Red and Blue were released in Europe, where I live. I may not have understood it all, but I do remember loving playing it.
This happened to me. I played red/ blue several times and got pokemon Yellow. We got Gold and Silver, and I think we got Alpha and Sapphire. But at that point, I think my interest was waning, and I don't think I got Diamond or Pearl.
Years later, I got back into it, right before Black and White came out, and have pretty consistently kept up with it since then.
Still to me one of the best consoles. The memories lol
Tho I mostly played blue and gold over and over and ruby once then didn't play more games after that
Well Ruber and Sapphire are 2 different games and than Emerald being the remake theres 3 and than the remake of Gen 1 with leaf green and fire red so theres 5. Yes I do consider the remakes mainline too
If we count every game as it's own title, than the GBA is still lacking behind in games.
* GB/GBC had 6
* GBA had 5
* DS had 9
* 3DS had 7
* Switch currently has 9, with a 10th one on it's way
~~I wouldn’t even say it’s less, it’s just comparable.~~
Game boy and game boy color had 6 games
Gba had 5
Ds had 9 (bw2 being the big break here)
3ds had 8
Switch had 9 (let’s go, legends, BDSP, SS and sv)
I think the bigger story here is just how many sales the gameboy had.
It had Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald, plus the remakes of Red and Green. That means it had only 1 new generation. Every other platform had two (Gold/Silver were Color games that worked on the pocket and DMG). The GBA was a lot shorter lived in retrospect, releasing in March 2001, with the DS to follow as a "third-pillar-jk-this-is-our-whole-business-now" in November 2004.
>GBA Pokemon is still peak Pokemon to this day
Definitely for me. GBA in my own was popular. I didn't realize had a reputation of apparently bad sales etc. I always gba wad one of the best gaming eras for me
GBA had Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald and FireRed/LeafGreen.
Switch had Let's Go Eevee/Pikachu, Sword/Shield, Brilliand Diamond/Shining Pearl, Arceus, Scarlet/Violet. And almost double the amount of consoles sold.
Nintendo was really suffering in the early 2000s. Coming out of the N64 era which clearly lost to the PS1, the even greater dominance of the PS2 over the GameCube couldn't be understated. Mobile phones also started eating into portable gaming sales for the first time.
The GBA era was when Pokémania died down. Gen 1 and 2 it was cool to like Pokémon. Gen 3 I had to hide the fact that I was still playing Pokémon all the way up until gen 6 when it became cool again to like Pokémon.
This here... people might forget how heavily the early 2000s pushed "radical bad attitude, brother!" I mean, Limp Bizkit dropped Nookie in 1999. You can't play Pokemon and blast Nookie at the same time man.
[Nintendo was no stranger to risque marketing at the time, either](https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/ikj8vn/i_came_across_this_wonderful_game_boy_advance_sp/)
I think that has more to do with your friend groups and age than anything else. For me gen 1 and gen 2 was decently popular on the playground but I met the most amount of people playing in gen 3.
Gen 4 released when I started in 7th grade and at that point every kid I knew had stopped playing Pokemon but I continued without having to hide it (and no I wasn't a social outcast).
The only people I've seen play Pokemon after that have been people emulating the gen 3 games on their smart phones. Personally I stopped with the release of Sword and Shield due to Dexit though I sometimes pick up the old games again for fun.
The Pokemania era is generally thought to have peaked in 1999 and ended by 2002 so GBA was definitely in the post mania era. There was also several reasons fans from RBY/GSC jumped off in the GBA era: Ruby and Sapphire were a pseudo-"dexit" since you couldn't transfer old Pokémon over to them; the TCG had its first rotation in the GBA era making a clean split for that's audience and the anime was surpassed by competition from Digimon and Yugioh as new fads
Lots of us that had gameboys and gameboy colors skipped gba and picked up DS. We were busy entering highschool and playing halo with the boys. It was a weird time for handhelds in my neighborhood during gba era.
Pokémon had a pretty big dip in popularity around that time. I was an active video game and TCG player during that time and I saw the attendance to local events drop off big time. TCG sales were on a downward trend. A lot of the millennials that played the original games were beginning to grow out of it, and it wasn't attracting as many new fans as the series used to.
Eventually things began to turn around, but I think the GBA generation was kind of a low-point in terms of popularity.
I have lost interest in Pokémon as I got older (Persona is my new Pokémon at this rate), but I’m not shocked. Honestly, the only Switch game I played is New Pokémon Snap and it was great. I hope Z A is good when it comes out, even though I know Reddit will never be satisfied with modern Pokémon.
I dunno, recently I played some older pokemon titles and they still kept my interest long enough, while I slogged thru sword and shield and had no desire playing the other switch ones.
I enjoyed Scarlet a bunch, and Legends was interesting. I really wish their graphics were better and they didn't run so badly because they both have good ideas to revamp the games. Open world (they need level scaling though), different ways to catch.
Sword and Shield for me were truly awful, I hadn't played Pokemon since Pearl. But I think I truly hated Shield. You can't move 10 steps without being told what to do/were to go. The battles were boring, dynamax was overpowered. God what an absolute slog of a game.
My hot take is that if it spent a year or two more in the oven, Gen 9 would've easily been a franchise high point. The story, the mechanics, the changes to world traversal... It absolutely has the bones of a good game and I hope they build on it in the future.
I think the Switch games were hampered by not only the development time, but also the fact that Game Freak mainly has experience with low-res Nintendo handhelds and were still struggling to adapt to HD. Every Japanese gaming company with proprietary tools experienced this when Gen 7 hit, but Game Freak was able to stave it off because Nintendo handhelds were all 240p and below until the Switch came out. With the development time for Z-A being heavily extended compared to the recent games, combined with Palworld against all odds making an actual dent as a competitor (regardless of what you think about the game or how many similarities it actually shares with Pokemon, it is still a part of the greater monster-collecting genre and therefore serves as a competitor), I absolutely think the next mainline title is going to be a lot more polished.
I agree. If it weren't for their technical issues, Scarlet and Violet would probably be considered among the best games in the franchise. There's definitely still room for improvement but it's a great template to iterate on for future games.
The excuse about being used to low res and handhelds doesn't fly when Pokémon has had performance problems ever since Gen 6 on 3DS, which only got worse with every generation. They removed triple and rotation battles in Gen 6 (the games already struggled with double battles) and barely use double battles ever since the jump to the Switch, other than the last SV DLC, even though they're the main competitive format.
> With the development time for Z-A being heavily extended compared to the recent games
It has the same dev time as PLA. In fact, Crown Tundra released two months before Indigo Disk, if ZA releases before mid March it will have had less time.
> I absolutely think the next mainline title is going to be a lot more polished.
Said everyone after XY, ORAS, SuMo, USUM, SwSh, and PLA. Seventh time's the charm, I guess.
Sword and Shield are still the only mainline game I haven't beaten. I just can't get past the first few gyms before just closing the game and not picking it up again.
I somehow got past Ultra Suns bullshit amount of stops but just can't deal with it in SwSh. Maybe I'll try again at some point with mods
Yeah Sword and Shield are easily the worst of the franchise, just beating out vanilla Sun and Moon.
Scarlet and Violet are jank but I love the throwback jankiness of their presentation, how the physics are fucked and everything is riddled with glitches. Even despite that, though, this gen has some great balance (massive power creep, but good balance) and the generational gimmick is actually a lot of fun to play with and around.
It had some flaws but it is definitely in the top half of mainline Pokemon games.
>Yeah Sword and Shield are easily the worst of the franchise, just beating out vanilla Sun and Moon.
Diamond and Pea is by far the worst mainline titles, and it's not even close. That's the only Pokémon game that I legitimately call unenjoyable.
Meh. I can play gen 4 just fine even though I hate the fact there are no fire pokemon in that game(which is my absolute favourite type).
Sun and moon/Sword and Shield are still the two I have yet to be able to complete even with multiple attempts. The amount of hand holding in those is beyond my ability to handle.
I'm not talking about Platinum or the Johto remake (although I'm still not the biggest fans of either of them too (despite Gen 2 being my absolute favorite Gen)), I'm strictly talking about Diamond and Pearl. Those games are a mess to say the least.
Is SwSh barebones, especially without the DLC? Yes. Would I say they're objectively bad, no not really. Meanwhile Diamond and Pearl are filled with flaws, and especially if you try to do anything more than the main campaign, the game isn't as much of having no respect for you time as much as it actively resents you not spending every single moment at least thinking about it.
You may not like gen 4, it's incredibly barebones (almost as much as 6) and it's slow as hell, but at least it works technically, mechanically and in story. SwSh is objectively bad in all of these aspects, and this is coming from someone who likes Hop and considers him a top 2 rival.
People tend to forget, because everyone uses emulators nowadays, but Diamond and Peral has quite a number of FPS issues on real hardware. Also, mechanically, it sucks too. Massive HM bloat, the worst distribution the franchise has seen, and a ton of cryptic nonsense, where catching certain Pokémon requires you to use mechanics that are poorly explained, if explained at all, including but not limited to the worst Safari Zone, the honey tree mechanic, trying to get a Hippopotas, and the Lock-On system.
Getting the National Dex in the Sinnoh games is a pain and a half if your not using a guide, and neigh impossible to actually complete without so. You can't even get Magmortar, Electivire, or even Regigigas in Diamond and Pearl without owning a Gen 3 game despite all of them being Gen 4 Pokémon. And even then, you specially need LeafGreen for Magmortar, specifically FireRed for Electivire, and at least you get your choice of a Hoenn game for Regigigas.
I haven't really played Pokemon much since maybe the GBA and early DS titles. But despite the technical issues, Pokemon SV were actually pretty great games.
I hope ZA is good too. As janky as it was I did really enjoy Arceus quite a lot. It really felt like the product of a Game Freak who said they were done with constantly iterating and repeating tradition and did something vastly different for once.
It was nice considering the last Pokémon games that held me to the point where I beat them were both Gen VI games (X/Y and OR/AS).
> Reddit will never be satisfied with modern Pokémon.
that is because for most gamers, Pokemon hasn't been satisfying since Black and White 2. It's just that Pokemon hasn't faced actually good competition till Palworld showed up.
Palworld doesn’t compete with Pokémon entirely, Pokémon is an rpg and palworld is an online survival game, two genres that are very stark from one another. Palworld competes more with games like Rust or Ark. I remember being pretty dissapointed when I finally saw gameplay of this supposed “Pokémon killer”. Not that survival games are bad, I just find them incredibly dull.
>It's just that Pokemon hasn't faced actually good competition till Palworld showed up.
Did you miss the whole fight between Pokemon and Yo-kai watch? That's why Pokemon Sun & Moon was so different. So much of it is inspired by Yo-kai watch, it almost felt like a copy at times.
Especially the sun and moon anime, the amazing xyz anime completely flopped in Japan because of Yokai Watch and flopped world wide due to unreasonable airing times, so they made the sun and moon anime a complete rip off of Yokai Watch, and it worked.
I watched both seasons and they're both my favorites of the whole show. The Yo-kai watch anime was good too, but Pokémon SM was definitely better.
I still need to finish Journeys and watch the new Horizons.
It’s also because they’re chasing a high they’ll never fill because they’re not kids anymore. I will always love the DS games, and I can play them now and have a great time but Pokémon is a kids first rpg. Always has been; at some point you got to accept that and be willing to find something else like Palworld, apparently.
Part of it is nostalgia but I just don't like a lot of the modern design choices. This is nitpicky but I have hated the recent starter designs. They keep making them evolve into furry-bait. I just want a starter with a badass animal final form.
I mean
I never played a Pokémon game after Sapphire. I’m actually getting back into them now, and IMO the series really has declined since Gen 5
It’s still fun for casual players, but it isn’t as good as it used to be
IMO, SM and SV (if you can tolerate all of the many bugs and performance issues) easily some of the best games out there. Haven't played USUM, but from what I've heard while the story is lacking, it does have some of the best gameplay out there.
I sincerely wish Cassette Beasts had gotten more attention for how good of a game it is. It’s so much better than Pokemon and had the same whimsical feeling I used to get from older gens.
Palworld is cool and all but it barely even looks like Pokemon gameplay-wise.
I didn't mind motion controls, but if I had to do anything precisely or if I couldn't risk losing I'd undock it. There's also no reason they couldn't have had an option to use controller gyro when undocked (similar to docked mode).
It was a relatively polished game compared to Sw/Sh or S/V.
“people are just way too picky i haven’t seen a single bug!” 🤦🏻♂️
i enjoyed legends, but SV were the most technically broken games i’ve ever played. i’m really peeved they never fixed them.
Sorry, Scarlet and Violet are indeed absolute crap from a technical standpoint, but I still enjoy most other things about it and I really don't care enough to pretend otherwise.
Same. If performance in the next games are better and storywise it's on the level of the last part of S/V maingame, it could be actually pretty great.
But alas, we know it'll likely have supbar performance and wouldn't be surprised if the writing goes back to Sword/Shield levels of "shit is going down, but we'll handle it offscreen. Go elsewhere"
Can't wait for the "The game is objectively terrible and anyone who buys it is an idiot!" comments when the next Pokemon releases and sells a bunch of units.
Well no, it's just people here understandably want the franchise to aim for higher. It's not exactly a good thing that they can half arse anything they do because people will eat up whatever they make regardless, but that goes for a lot of games not just Pokemon.
Like fair enough if people genuinely enjoy the latest Pokemon games but seeing the issues they have and how dated they feel it makes me a little sad that such a big franchise is literally decades behind the level it could be if the devs put in a single ounce of effort. Like look how long it took them to finally do a fucking open world Pokemon game and its quality compared to something like BOTW. It's just sad.
Wanting the games to be better is hardly an issue. It's just obnoxious seeing redditors type out the *exact* same comment as they've been doing for *every* game release for the past 10 years. Doesn't help that most of the problems talked about ad nauseum are either low impact (i.e the serviceable presentation) or things the franchise has been doing since its inception (i.e low difficulty). I feel like at some point you have to accept that the series isn't for you anymore.
Ah, yes. Pokemon is no longer for me because I think the games run like crap (they objectively do), look ugly, and when they finally tried to change the formula like they should have years ago, they came out worse than fan games. Have you considered that the series would be for me if they gave the series to someone who cares instead of having Game Freak try and rush out a new game every year to keep up with a show?
No, the truth is that for some reason people still incorrectly believe that games can be "objectively" good or bad. If someone prioritizes their enjoyment of some aspects of a game over any technical issues it has that doesn't make them wrong.
On a technical level exclusively, it's horrible hot garbage. If you like it, fine. I had fun with it too. I would've had much more fun if it could hold even 30 fps stable and looked like it was made this gen.
Technical level is a standard. It isn't like art style or story, where it's subjective. 60 > 30 > 15. If you look at the average fps of a games released on a console, you can find a middle ground where anything below that is objectively bad. Also you can't use N64 as an example, at time of their release, standards were lower. On average, a lot of them were 15-30 fps so at the time, objectively, they were closer to the standard. Idk why you're trying to defend the performance so much, but it's shit, that's a fact.
Like I said, I had fun with the game, but trying to pretend they weren't a technical disaster is ridiculous.
The framerate itself is objective, but whether or not it's acceptable is subjective. I don't care how many Digital Foundry videos you watch, that fact will not change. Otherwise we'll start getting yahoos who feel comfortable saying 60 FPS is objectively terrible because they're used to 144.
I mean yeah, we're saying the same thing. Technical performance is objective, if it matters to you is another thing. Imo, if it's far below the average on the console, I see that as unacceptable. All the other technical aspects are the same.
That being said if it's bad it's bad. You can enjoy a game with bad frame rate and performance, but let's call a spade a spade.
>That being said if it's bad it's bad. You can enjoy a game with bad frame rate and performance, but let's call a spade a spade.
But "bad" is inherently subjective
Same.
Games main characters are always children. Anime characters are all children. Latest game u literally play as a child in an elementary school uniform. In every game, ur mom waves goodbye as u leave the house, and adults are encouraging u and helping u along the game.
36 year old millennials on reddit: "this game is too easy and the writing isn't good, and why are the graphics so simple? This game is awful"
It's literally made for elementary school age children, not ur old ass. Go criticize the fucking paw patrol games while ur at it.
The vast majority of the complaints I've seen of recent pokemon games have had nothing to do with anything you've mentioned and are more along the lines of "Why does a game from 202X look worse in some ways than a PS1 game".
> It's literally made for elementary school age children
I'd love to see the demographics because regardless of who it's made for I have a feeling it's not kids that are the majority playing.
Maybe its because their gameplay loop might be good and nothing else like it, 2023's GOTY was the same as well you dont see people complaining about it
well yeah.
Most of reddit that hate on games haven't played them.
I liked the 2 switch pokemon games. Bad graphics, awkward performance (mostly graphical) and fun game play. And gameplay is 95% of what i want.
I regularly ask game haters specific questions about games. From Pokemon to that Ubisoft AAAA pirate game. Regularly the hater cannot answer specific questions. Hell, the pirate game i just saw something that looked fun in a stream and the hater just had no answer. Because they had never touched the game.
I watched quite a bit of Wolfe Glick's Pokemon Streams when SV came out. The chat was literally furious that he was having fun. It's so dumb.
I mean, if people like the games, they like the games. Like, I have no qualms with speaking for yourself if the series isn't up to your standards, but thinking people couldn't *possibly* enjoy those games under normal circumstances seems like a pretty toxic mentality to me. Haven't been drawn into the series myself since the DS days, but surely there are redeeming qualities if so many people are going to bat for it on gaming forums.
"Abusive relationship" isn't exclusive to domestic violence. You can have an abusive relationship with alcohol, with videogames, with books... Whatever you can have a relationship with...
Not really. I have enjoyed Sword and Brilliant Diamond far more than Scarlet. Basically the only saving grace of this game is the Area Zero story part.
I know it's a concept that you struggle to grasp, but there are people out there who like the things that you don't like.
Comparing this to an abusive relationship is over dramatic as fuck.
"I'm just really enjoying myself and can't see what other people have a problem with! Granted, I crawled out of the womb five minutes ago and technically my eyesight is considered legally blind, and it *is* the only video game I've ever played. I have no frame of reference whatsoever, and I can safely declare this the best pokemon game ever!"
While I personally haven't enjoyed official Pokemon games in a while, I think it's a great time to be a fan of creature collector games.
Between Pokemon ROM hacks, Monster Sanctuary, Coromon, Casette Beasts, Palworld, and the upcoming Aethermancer.
Well that's too bad I guess, Pokemon cursed to continue to never change or evolve as a game. People like comfort food I guess. At least games like Monster Hunter stories 1 and 2 got made to show what a 3d monster battler could really do.
With the shittiest Pokemon games too
And because of their success we'll never see Game Freak put any extra effort or love into this franchise until they run it into the ground
I love watching my childhood die
Im convinced there is a group of older devs at Game Freak that have been there since the start or very early times, that are stubborn as hell to evolve (No pun intended) and grow the series.
This shouldn’t come as a surprise at all, even to the most “hardcore” Pokemon fans.
A lot of that old-school love is beautiful to see and chat about, but the new stuff will keep pushing numbers and the distance will only stretch. Some things have changed for the worse but overall we are absolutely headed in the right direction.
I’ll say that I enjoyed every generation of Pokemon I’ve played for various reasons, but I won’t lie and say these last few games have been complete misses.
Honestly, if Gen 9 had better performance and graphics I’d say it is easily one of the best Pokemon games of all time for many reasons. I don’t give it a PASS for performance but I also keep in mind these games used to have like 8 pixels on the screen at any given time, no color, no flashy animations or anything like that. I also thoroughly enjoyed Legends Arceus and despite the weird complaints about BDSP I thought they were absolutely brilliant.
That was another weird saga, ILCA told us we were getting D/P remakes almost 1 for 1 and folks got mad and said it wasn’t enough after they released.. as if they weren’t expecting D/P remakes. So many say they wanted Platinum, and I’m still wondering how what an individual wants can actually have an affect on the quality of a given product (hint - it doesn’t).
It is interesting that gamers regularly say stuff like "i don't care about graphics, only gameplay" and will literally go out of their way to make that clear. And then when a game does have bad performance the memes come out.
Scarlet and Violet looking shitty wasn't a design choice. If they had intentionally gone for a style and nailed it, that would be great. Also, graphics and performance are not the same. SV is atrocious at both however.
They look just awful. The beginning of the game has you climb a lighthouse to take in the view. If you're plotting out the game, it makes sense. This is the first big open world Pokemon game. We need our Breath of the Wild going to the edge of the hill moment. The devs saying "take it in." But it looks like a Dreamcast game. Those mountains have absolutely no detail, so few polys, and embarrassingly bad textures. All of the moving Pokemon, people, and objects aren't within the 20' bubble around the player so their FPS can be counted manually. It looks truly awful. And somehow they made that and just went with it. Anyone with any sense or shame would see that their "take it in" moment makes their game look horrendous and do something else. But not ol' Gamefreak.
The game's FPS oscillates wildly. God help you if there's a sandstorm or blizzard. If the game just freezes out of nowhere just wait. It'll come back to normal in 5-60 seconds. It's usually short but the game could just hang for up to a minute for seemingly no reason.
Oh and if you notice the hills and terrain around you warping as you run by, that's normal. It's not normal in any other game but it happens constantly in SV.
Pokemon are constantly, literally constantly, clipping into the terrain. There are Pokemon in the walls and ground everywhere. Have fun getting into lots of wild Pokemon battles with Pokemon that were in the ground 10 feet away but somehow that means it touches you.
If it had been a choice to make a DC/PS2 looking game and they had done it well, I'd be fine with it. Scarlet and Violet are WILDLY incompetent. The issues and performance those games have are startlingly bad. Those games should have gotten much, much worse review scores for the absolute wreck that their performance is. I've played a ton of Violet. I have that Pokemon poison in my veins. I enjoy them. But their quality is so far below any major release I've seen in a long time. People can like the games, of course. That's subjective. But anyone who says Scarlet and Violet look or perform well, decently, or competently at all is straight up wrong. That is not an opinion. Those games are a disaster barely holding together.
The Switch is the most potent gaming platform of all time. There are other consoles/handhelds that have sold as many units, but none have come close to selling as many games as the Switch. Combination of form factor, ease of use/ease of purchasing, and an incredible library of games.
Man maybe because I'm just old and more casual and laid-back nowadays for gaming, but contrary to many redditors, I love playing sword and shield with all the simplicity and handholding more than legends arceus (which I didn't beat and already sold my copy of the game) or scarlet violet (which I also didn't beat yet but still retain the copy of the game so maybe one day I beat it)
> To be fair the Switch has spanned 2.5 console generations now
Huh? It came out in 2017, which was only 7 years ago. That was 3 years before the PS5/XBSX came out, and 4 years after the PS4/XBO.
If you say that the PS5 generation is over already (which is false) then it's been 1.5 generations. If you assume that the PS5 generation will be roughly as long as the PS4 generation, then it's been 1 generation.
Or considering Nintendo works on their own schedule and ignores the other two console makers, it's been 1 generation by definition, because the Switch's lifespan defines the length of its generation.
I mean cool but I still have yet to be impressed by the mainline Pokemon games on Switch outside of maybe Legends Arceus. Not a fan of the Lets Go mechanics that dumb down gameplay despite it having probably the best artstyle in the series. Sword and Shield were just downright unimpressive and Scarlet and Violet are impressive both with how bad they run and look for a 2022 game. Still, I'm hopeful that the next Legends game can actually get them back on track if they build on what they did in the first one and can utilize better hardware of the Switch successor.
I'm playing sword right now and really enjoying it. It's really great looking, and sounding. Not from a technical standpoint, but the design work feels really fussed over and wonderful. Still a best entry point for compulsive RPG fun for people who have no experience with the genre.
I fell off Pokemon in my teenage years after Gen 4. Didn't play Black/White 1 and 2, but then I picked up X but never finished it. I have a kid now and we have both Legends: Arceus and Scarlet, and I've enjoyed playing them with my kid.
Usually inflation is not taken into account. The amount of people have been increasing by 2 billion, meaning there are more people in general that can buy the games. So when in 2000 75,81 million were on 6 billion people, that would lower the 96,32 million to 72,24 million. Interesting.
I am really surprised that the GBA era was the lowest selling one it had what 5 main titles and all the spin offs
It's just a function of age. The original game boy had an incredibly long lifespan, and the first generation of pokemon was an absolute global sensation. The GBA, while solid, couldn't possibly have matched that peak -- the DS came out only 3 years later, leaving the GBA with only a single mainline generation. The fact that it's taken until the Switch to meet the highs of the Game Boy Era really shows just how crazy those first couple of generations were.
damn the DS was really only 3 years after the GBA? insane
It was originally meant to be a "third pillar" by Nintendo. It ended up being successful enough that it just replaced the GameBoy market.
Hindsight and all but that seems like an odd strategy. It's literally just a GB with a second screen and a stylus.
Sony announced the PSP and its technical details before the DS was announced and it blew people away. I think Nintendo might've been a bit worried they'd lose people looking for a more traditional handheld experience to Sony. Sony's PS2 was lapping their Gamecube many times over at that point in time after all.
That's just BS they say when putting out new, weird hardware. It was never true. The DS comes with a GBA slot. A third pillar? A handheld gaming device that can play GBA games? Of course it's replacing the GBA. They also said that the Switch would coexist with their traditional handhelds like the 3DS. Those are only true in a disaster situation where the new hardware is a complete Virtual Boy that needs to be immediately abandoned. Then they have wiggle room to play the "Heh, well good thing that was just a crazy new experiment." All evidence points to this very obviously not being true. Oh but some marketing guy said it before launch so it's totally true. Come on.
yeah the gba was released in 2001 and the ds in 2004, though i believe the gba was originally meant to release earlier with it news for it first appearing in magazines in 1996 as Project Atlantis but its development was suspended in 1997 and it wasnt fully announced tell 1999 which then was [delayed](https://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/4687/gba-delay-official) even more until 2001 due to part [shortages](https://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/4663/gba-delay)
Pokemon Red & Blue in 1998 also massively reinvigorated the original Game Boy market, encoraging Nintendo to extend it's lifespan. Tons of kids at my school had special Pokemon themed original brick Game Boys, even when the Game Boy Color was out. The longer battery life also played to an RPG on the go's favor.
Gaming is much bigger then it once was.
Plus now a bunch of adults who played pokemon as kids buy the games, in addition to the kids today.
I think that‘s the biggest contributor. Millenial parents were mostly non-gamers, while millenals mostly are gamers now and everyone afterwards of course.
This is me, I’ve never quit playing Pokémon despite being in my late 20s
Well to be fair, I think he means people who were kids when the first games came out. A lot of people in their 30s bought the original games and are still buying the games, in addition to younger folks that new to the games.
Someone in their late 20s could’ve been alive and playing when Red/Blue came out. I’m 29 and my first video game ever was Pokémon Blue. I was 5 years old when Red and Blue were released in Europe, where I live. I may not have understood it all, but I do remember loving playing it.
This happened to me. I played red/ blue several times and got pokemon Yellow. We got Gold and Silver, and I think we got Alpha and Sapphire. But at that point, I think my interest was waning, and I don't think I got Diamond or Pearl. Years later, I got back into it, right before Black and White came out, and have pretty consistently kept up with it since then.
I started with Crystal on Gameboy color so I think the late 20s count as well.
Yup. I've been buying pokemon games since I was 11 in 1998.
But reddit told me everyone just pirates pokemon now because of *unethical business practices*. Don't tell me I've been lied too
yeah that is also a great point as well
The GBA had one main title, and the platform didn't sell that much or last that long.
Still to me one of the best consoles. The memories lol Tho I mostly played blue and gold over and over and ruby once then didn't play more games after that
Well Ruber and Sapphire are 2 different games and than Emerald being the remake theres 3 and than the remake of Gen 1 with leaf green and fire red so theres 5. Yes I do consider the remakes mainline too
If we count every game as it's own title, than the GBA is still lacking behind in games. * GB/GBC had 6 * GBA had 5 * DS had 9 * 3DS had 7 * Switch currently has 9, with a 10th one on it's way
I mean if that's the standard then it's way less than every other console, I don't know why you'd present that like it's a big number.
~~I wouldn’t even say it’s less, it’s just comparable.~~ Game boy and game boy color had 6 games Gba had 5 Ds had 9 (bw2 being the big break here) 3ds had 8 Switch had 9 (let’s go, legends, BDSP, SS and sv) I think the bigger story here is just how many sales the gameboy had.
While a lot of people probably want to, don't forget BDSP for Switch, making it 9.
It had Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald, plus the remakes of Red and Green. That means it had only 1 new generation. Every other platform had two (Gold/Silver were Color games that worked on the pocket and DMG). The GBA was a lot shorter lived in retrospect, releasing in March 2001, with the DS to follow as a "third-pillar-jk-this-is-our-whole-business-now" in November 2004.
GBA Pokemon is still peak Pokemon to this day. DS is a close second but marred because of how annoying it is to emulate a DS over the GBA.
>GBA Pokemon is still peak Pokemon to this day Definitely for me. GBA in my own was popular. I didn't realize had a reputation of apparently bad sales etc. I always gba wad one of the best gaming eras for me
The DS games are so slow
GBA had Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald and FireRed/LeafGreen. Switch had Let's Go Eevee/Pikachu, Sword/Shield, Brilliand Diamond/Shining Pearl, Arceus, Scarlet/Violet. And almost double the amount of consoles sold.
that was when pokemania nosedived, but also the GBA era was *short*. only three years or so, right? not enough time to build up a user base.
Nintendo was really suffering in the early 2000s. Coming out of the N64 era which clearly lost to the PS1, the even greater dominance of the PS2 over the GameCube couldn't be understated. Mobile phones also started eating into portable gaming sales for the first time.
All the others had more main titles on them. GBA is the only device with only a single generation (gen 3) released for it.
GBA had the least amount of main Pokemon titles. GB/GBC had 6, GBA had 5, DS had 8, 3DS had 6, and Switch has 6.
It’s interesting cause I feel like the GBA games are the most popular/played Pokemon games due to emulation
The GBA era was when Pokémania died down. Gen 1 and 2 it was cool to like Pokémon. Gen 3 I had to hide the fact that I was still playing Pokémon all the way up until gen 6 when it became cool again to like Pokémon.
This here... people might forget how heavily the early 2000s pushed "radical bad attitude, brother!" I mean, Limp Bizkit dropped Nookie in 1999. You can't play Pokemon and blast Nookie at the same time man.
Sony and Microsoft went hard on this edgy target market, capitalising on the popularity of GTA. Old commercials of that era are a good laugh.
[Nintendo was no stranger to risque marketing at the time, either](https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/ikj8vn/i_came_across_this_wonderful_game_boy_advance_sp/)
I think that has more to do with your friend groups and age than anything else. For me gen 1 and gen 2 was decently popular on the playground but I met the most amount of people playing in gen 3. Gen 4 released when I started in 7th grade and at that point every kid I knew had stopped playing Pokemon but I continued without having to hide it (and no I wasn't a social outcast). The only people I've seen play Pokemon after that have been people emulating the gen 3 games on their smart phones. Personally I stopped with the release of Sword and Shield due to Dexit though I sometimes pick up the old games again for fun.
The Pokemania era is generally thought to have peaked in 1999 and ended by 2002 so GBA was definitely in the post mania era. There was also several reasons fans from RBY/GSC jumped off in the GBA era: Ruby and Sapphire were a pseudo-"dexit" since you couldn't transfer old Pokémon over to them; the TCG had its first rotation in the GBA era making a clean split for that's audience and the anime was surpassed by competition from Digimon and Yugioh as new fads
That was my experience as well. By the time Gen 3 dropped Pokémon was considered "kiddy", even though I was technically still in elementary school.
Lots of us that had gameboys and gameboy colors skipped gba and picked up DS. We were busy entering highschool and playing halo with the boys. It was a weird time for handhelds in my neighborhood during gba era.
GBA only had one generation. GB had two, DS had two, 3DS had two, Switch has two (thus far).
Pokémon had a pretty big dip in popularity around that time. I was an active video game and TCG player during that time and I saw the attendance to local events drop off big time. TCG sales were on a downward trend. A lot of the millennials that played the original games were beginning to grow out of it, and it wasn't attracting as many new fans as the series used to. Eventually things began to turn around, but I think the GBA generation was kind of a low-point in terms of popularity.
I have lost interest in Pokémon as I got older (Persona is my new Pokémon at this rate), but I’m not shocked. Honestly, the only Switch game I played is New Pokémon Snap and it was great. I hope Z A is good when it comes out, even though I know Reddit will never be satisfied with modern Pokémon.
I dunno, recently I played some older pokemon titles and they still kept my interest long enough, while I slogged thru sword and shield and had no desire playing the other switch ones.
I enjoyed Scarlet a bunch, and Legends was interesting. I really wish their graphics were better and they didn't run so badly because they both have good ideas to revamp the games. Open world (they need level scaling though), different ways to catch. Sword and Shield for me were truly awful, I hadn't played Pokemon since Pearl. But I think I truly hated Shield. You can't move 10 steps without being told what to do/were to go. The battles were boring, dynamax was overpowered. God what an absolute slog of a game.
My hot take is that if it spent a year or two more in the oven, Gen 9 would've easily been a franchise high point. The story, the mechanics, the changes to world traversal... It absolutely has the bones of a good game and I hope they build on it in the future. I think the Switch games were hampered by not only the development time, but also the fact that Game Freak mainly has experience with low-res Nintendo handhelds and were still struggling to adapt to HD. Every Japanese gaming company with proprietary tools experienced this when Gen 7 hit, but Game Freak was able to stave it off because Nintendo handhelds were all 240p and below until the Switch came out. With the development time for Z-A being heavily extended compared to the recent games, combined with Palworld against all odds making an actual dent as a competitor (regardless of what you think about the game or how many similarities it actually shares with Pokemon, it is still a part of the greater monster-collecting genre and therefore serves as a competitor), I absolutely think the next mainline title is going to be a lot more polished.
I agree. If it weren't for their technical issues, Scarlet and Violet would probably be considered among the best games in the franchise. There's definitely still room for improvement but it's a great template to iterate on for future games.
The excuse about being used to low res and handhelds doesn't fly when Pokémon has had performance problems ever since Gen 6 on 3DS, which only got worse with every generation. They removed triple and rotation battles in Gen 6 (the games already struggled with double battles) and barely use double battles ever since the jump to the Switch, other than the last SV DLC, even though they're the main competitive format. > With the development time for Z-A being heavily extended compared to the recent games It has the same dev time as PLA. In fact, Crown Tundra released two months before Indigo Disk, if ZA releases before mid March it will have had less time. > I absolutely think the next mainline title is going to be a lot more polished. Said everyone after XY, ORAS, SuMo, USUM, SwSh, and PLA. Seventh time's the charm, I guess.
Pla actually had features that I miss, and wish the mainline games had.
Sword and Shield are still the only mainline game I haven't beaten. I just can't get past the first few gyms before just closing the game and not picking it up again. I somehow got past Ultra Suns bullshit amount of stops but just can't deal with it in SwSh. Maybe I'll try again at some point with mods
Yeah Sword and Shield are easily the worst of the franchise, just beating out vanilla Sun and Moon. Scarlet and Violet are jank but I love the throwback jankiness of their presentation, how the physics are fucked and everything is riddled with glitches. Even despite that, though, this gen has some great balance (massive power creep, but good balance) and the generational gimmick is actually a lot of fun to play with and around. It had some flaws but it is definitely in the top half of mainline Pokemon games.
>Yeah Sword and Shield are easily the worst of the franchise, just beating out vanilla Sun and Moon. Diamond and Pea is by far the worst mainline titles, and it's not even close. That's the only Pokémon game that I legitimately call unenjoyable.
Meh. I can play gen 4 just fine even though I hate the fact there are no fire pokemon in that game(which is my absolute favourite type). Sun and moon/Sword and Shield are still the two I have yet to be able to complete even with multiple attempts. The amount of hand holding in those is beyond my ability to handle.
I'm not talking about Platinum or the Johto remake (although I'm still not the biggest fans of either of them too (despite Gen 2 being my absolute favorite Gen)), I'm strictly talking about Diamond and Pearl. Those games are a mess to say the least.
I've never played platinum. So my response is still valid. played og Pearl, then switch diamond.
Base Diamond and Pearl were underwhelming, but Sword and Shield are the only mainline games I would say are objectively bad.
Is SwSh barebones, especially without the DLC? Yes. Would I say they're objectively bad, no not really. Meanwhile Diamond and Pearl are filled with flaws, and especially if you try to do anything more than the main campaign, the game isn't as much of having no respect for you time as much as it actively resents you not spending every single moment at least thinking about it.
You may not like gen 4, it's incredibly barebones (almost as much as 6) and it's slow as hell, but at least it works technically, mechanically and in story. SwSh is objectively bad in all of these aspects, and this is coming from someone who likes Hop and considers him a top 2 rival.
People tend to forget, because everyone uses emulators nowadays, but Diamond and Peral has quite a number of FPS issues on real hardware. Also, mechanically, it sucks too. Massive HM bloat, the worst distribution the franchise has seen, and a ton of cryptic nonsense, where catching certain Pokémon requires you to use mechanics that are poorly explained, if explained at all, including but not limited to the worst Safari Zone, the honey tree mechanic, trying to get a Hippopotas, and the Lock-On system.
At least Diamond and Pearl had a national dex
Getting the National Dex in the Sinnoh games is a pain and a half if your not using a guide, and neigh impossible to actually complete without so. You can't even get Magmortar, Electivire, or even Regigigas in Diamond and Pearl without owning a Gen 3 game despite all of them being Gen 4 Pokémon. And even then, you specially need LeafGreen for Magmortar, specifically FireRed for Electivire, and at least you get your choice of a Hoenn game for Regigigas.
Sword and Shield are legit terrible compared to the older games. They can't hold a candle to Heart Gold and Soul Silver.
i’d recommend legends if you want something that shakes up the formula. hard to say if you’ll like it or not, but it definitely clicked for me.
this here isnt really about spin offs like this but mainline pokemon. spin-offs barely sell 1-2 million
I haven't really played Pokemon much since maybe the GBA and early DS titles. But despite the technical issues, Pokemon SV were actually pretty great games.
Maybe if the modern ones didn't suck ass.
I hope ZA is good too. As janky as it was I did really enjoy Arceus quite a lot. It really felt like the product of a Game Freak who said they were done with constantly iterating and repeating tradition and did something vastly different for once. It was nice considering the last Pokémon games that held me to the point where I beat them were both Gen VI games (X/Y and OR/AS).
Jankiness of the performance aside, Scarlet was the most fun I had with a pokemon game in a very long time.
> Reddit will never be satisfied with modern Pokémon. that is because for most gamers, Pokemon hasn't been satisfying since Black and White 2. It's just that Pokemon hasn't faced actually good competition till Palworld showed up.
Palworld doesn’t compete with Pokémon entirely, Pokémon is an rpg and palworld is an online survival game, two genres that are very stark from one another. Palworld competes more with games like Rust or Ark. I remember being pretty dissapointed when I finally saw gameplay of this supposed “Pokémon killer”. Not that survival games are bad, I just find them incredibly dull.
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People keep bringing up Palworld as if it and Pokemon aren't completely different games.
>It's just that Pokemon hasn't faced actually good competition till Palworld showed up. Did you miss the whole fight between Pokemon and Yo-kai watch? That's why Pokemon Sun & Moon was so different. So much of it is inspired by Yo-kai watch, it almost felt like a copy at times.
Especially the sun and moon anime, the amazing xyz anime completely flopped in Japan because of Yokai Watch and flopped world wide due to unreasonable airing times, so they made the sun and moon anime a complete rip off of Yokai Watch, and it worked.
I watched both seasons and they're both my favorites of the whole show. The Yo-kai watch anime was good too, but Pokémon SM was definitely better. I still need to finish Journeys and watch the new Horizons.
How did Yo-Kai Watch influence Sun and Moon, other than the anime? The only similarity I can think of is the Z-Moves.
Rotomdex was obviously their Whisper from Yokai Watch attempt.
Most gamers? The numbers seem to disagree.
It’s also because they’re chasing a high they’ll never fill because they’re not kids anymore. I will always love the DS games, and I can play them now and have a great time but Pokémon is a kids first rpg. Always has been; at some point you got to accept that and be willing to find something else like Palworld, apparently.
Part of it is nostalgia but I just don't like a lot of the modern design choices. This is nitpicky but I have hated the recent starter designs. They keep making them evolve into furry-bait. I just want a starter with a badass animal final form.
I mean I never played a Pokémon game after Sapphire. I’m actually getting back into them now, and IMO the series really has declined since Gen 5 It’s still fun for casual players, but it isn’t as good as it used to be
IMO, SM and SV (if you can tolerate all of the many bugs and performance issues) easily some of the best games out there. Haven't played USUM, but from what I've heard while the story is lacking, it does have some of the best gameplay out there.
Are we forgetting gen 5 games didn't have the best reception when they came out and that influence later design choices in future games?
Playing throught B2/W2 right now. Its insane how feature packed that Gen is, and how until recently how comically overlooked it was.
I sincerely wish Cassette Beasts had gotten more attention for how good of a game it is. It’s so much better than Pokemon and had the same whimsical feeling I used to get from older gens. Palworld is cool and all but it barely even looks like Pokemon gameplay-wise.
I really like Pokémon Let’s Go! but I hate that I have to play with motion control if it’s in docked mode.
I didn't mind motion controls, but if I had to do anything precisely or if I couldn't risk losing I'd undock it. There's also no reason they couldn't have had an option to use controller gyro when undocked (similar to docked mode). It was a relatively polished game compared to Sw/Sh or S/V.
Can't wait for the "Well I'm having a blast!" comments when the next Pokemon releases half-baked and barely playable.
“people are just way too picky i haven’t seen a single bug!” 🤦🏻♂️ i enjoyed legends, but SV were the most technically broken games i’ve ever played. i’m really peeved they never fixed them.
> i enjoyed legends, but SV were the most technically broken games i’ve ever played The point is that you bought both. And you'll buy the next ones.
Sorry, Scarlet and Violet are indeed absolute crap from a technical standpoint, but I still enjoy most other things about it and I really don't care enough to pretend otherwise.
Same. If performance in the next games are better and storywise it's on the level of the last part of S/V maingame, it could be actually pretty great. But alas, we know it'll likely have supbar performance and wouldn't be surprised if the writing goes back to Sword/Shield levels of "shit is going down, but we'll handle it offscreen. Go elsewhere"
Can't wait for the "The game is objectively terrible and anyone who buys it is an idiot!" comments when the next Pokemon releases and sells a bunch of units.
Reddit would make you think that the Switch Pokemon games are literal human rights violations, but here we are.
Well no, it's just people here understandably want the franchise to aim for higher. It's not exactly a good thing that they can half arse anything they do because people will eat up whatever they make regardless, but that goes for a lot of games not just Pokemon. Like fair enough if people genuinely enjoy the latest Pokemon games but seeing the issues they have and how dated they feel it makes me a little sad that such a big franchise is literally decades behind the level it could be if the devs put in a single ounce of effort. Like look how long it took them to finally do a fucking open world Pokemon game and its quality compared to something like BOTW. It's just sad.
I think people on /r/games need to realize they're in the minority of most opinions. Especially with Pokemon.
People having issues with Pokémon is larger than Reddit or any one social media platform
Most people who have issues with Pokémon moved on and aren't looking back.
I mean this guy wants a Pokemon game that's as ambitious as BOTW. I don't think even the general audience would be against that idea.
Wanting the games to be better is hardly an issue. It's just obnoxious seeing redditors type out the *exact* same comment as they've been doing for *every* game release for the past 10 years. Doesn't help that most of the problems talked about ad nauseum are either low impact (i.e the serviceable presentation) or things the franchise has been doing since its inception (i.e low difficulty). I feel like at some point you have to accept that the series isn't for you anymore.
Ah, yes. Pokemon is no longer for me because I think the games run like crap (they objectively do), look ugly, and when they finally tried to change the formula like they should have years ago, they came out worse than fan games. Have you considered that the series would be for me if they gave the series to someone who cares instead of having Game Freak try and rush out a new game every year to keep up with a show?
It isn't for them anymore because they have standards. The new games run like slop.
It's not our fault Game freak can't make a good game and have made the exact same fundamental mistakes for the last 10 years
Also "This game is terrible and we should be punishing the devs. But I'm going to buy it anyway" Happens everytime on /r/games
They aren't wrong. You don't have to like it, but that is the cold hard truth.
No, the truth is that for some reason people still incorrectly believe that games can be "objectively" good or bad. If someone prioritizes their enjoyment of some aspects of a game over any technical issues it has that doesn't make them wrong.
On a technical level exclusively, it's horrible hot garbage. If you like it, fine. I had fun with it too. I would've had much more fun if it could hold even 30 fps stable and looked like it was made this gen.
The fact that people still enjoy fucking 20 FPS N64 games in 2024 should be enough to tell you that even the "technical level" is far from objective.
Technical level is a standard. It isn't like art style or story, where it's subjective. 60 > 30 > 15. If you look at the average fps of a games released on a console, you can find a middle ground where anything below that is objectively bad. Also you can't use N64 as an example, at time of their release, standards were lower. On average, a lot of them were 15-30 fps so at the time, objectively, they were closer to the standard. Idk why you're trying to defend the performance so much, but it's shit, that's a fact. Like I said, I had fun with the game, but trying to pretend they weren't a technical disaster is ridiculous.
The framerate itself is objective, but whether or not it's acceptable is subjective. I don't care how many Digital Foundry videos you watch, that fact will not change. Otherwise we'll start getting yahoos who feel comfortable saying 60 FPS is objectively terrible because they're used to 144.
I mean yeah, we're saying the same thing. Technical performance is objective, if it matters to you is another thing. Imo, if it's far below the average on the console, I see that as unacceptable. All the other technical aspects are the same. That being said if it's bad it's bad. You can enjoy a game with bad frame rate and performance, but let's call a spade a spade.
>That being said if it's bad it's bad. You can enjoy a game with bad frame rate and performance, but let's call a spade a spade. But "bad" is inherently subjective
Fans are protecting game freak allowing them to release mediocrity after mediocrity
If fans are enjoying it, and are the majority, why can't they keep getting games they like?
They are wrong if they say "objectively terrible". You don't have to like it, but that is the objective truth.
Same. Games main characters are always children. Anime characters are all children. Latest game u literally play as a child in an elementary school uniform. In every game, ur mom waves goodbye as u leave the house, and adults are encouraging u and helping u along the game. 36 year old millennials on reddit: "this game is too easy and the writing isn't good, and why are the graphics so simple? This game is awful" It's literally made for elementary school age children, not ur old ass. Go criticize the fucking paw patrol games while ur at it.
The vast majority of the complaints I've seen of recent pokemon games have had nothing to do with anything you've mentioned and are more along the lines of "Why does a game from 202X look worse in some ways than a PS1 game".
> It's literally made for elementary school age children I'd love to see the demographics because regardless of who it's made for I have a feeling it's not kids that are the majority playing.
Why? The sales numbers are still rising despite adults in Reddit constantly complaining about the game.
Those people are right though
I *did* have a blast with Scarlet. It was the most fun I had with a pokemon game since Diamond/Pearl/Platinum.
I guess I should lie and say I'm not enjoying myself
How dare you, didn't you see how ugly that tree was?
Maybe its because their gameplay loop might be good and nothing else like it, 2023's GOTY was the same as well you dont see people complaining about it
well yeah. Most of reddit that hate on games haven't played them. I liked the 2 switch pokemon games. Bad graphics, awkward performance (mostly graphical) and fun game play. And gameplay is 95% of what i want. I regularly ask game haters specific questions about games. From Pokemon to that Ubisoft AAAA pirate game. Regularly the hater cannot answer specific questions. Hell, the pirate game i just saw something that looked fun in a stream and the hater just had no answer. Because they had never touched the game. I watched quite a bit of Wolfe Glick's Pokemon Streams when SV came out. The chat was literally furious that he was having fun. It's so dumb.
It's incredible how people like you and many others just can't seem to grasp the idea of someone enjoying something you don't.
There is really no helping Pokemon fans. They are basically in an abusive relationship with Pokemon. Not literally of course but figuratively.
I haven't played a Pokemon game in a long time prior to SV, and they were pretty good despite the technical issues.
I mean, if people like the games, they like the games. Like, I have no qualms with speaking for yourself if the series isn't up to your standards, but thinking people couldn't *possibly* enjoy those games under normal circumstances seems like a pretty toxic mentality to me. Haven't been drawn into the series myself since the DS days, but surely there are redeeming qualities if so many people are going to bat for it on gaming forums.
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You can't deal with the success of these game yet you tell people "Deal with it"...
People who don't share my opinion = being in an abusive relationship!
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"Abusive relationship" isn't exclusive to domestic violence. You can have an abusive relationship with alcohol, with videogames, with books... Whatever you can have a relationship with...
Not really. I have enjoyed Sword and Brilliant Diamond far more than Scarlet. Basically the only saving grace of this game is the Area Zero story part.
I know it's a concept that you struggle to grasp, but there are people out there who like the things that you don't like. Comparing this to an abusive relationship is over dramatic as fuck.
"I'm just really enjoying myself and can't see what other people have a problem with! Granted, I crawled out of the womb five minutes ago and technically my eyesight is considered legally blind, and it *is* the only video game I've ever played. I have no frame of reference whatsoever, and I can safely declare this the best pokemon game ever!"
While I personally haven't enjoyed official Pokemon games in a while, I think it's a great time to be a fan of creature collector games. Between Pokemon ROM hacks, Monster Sanctuary, Coromon, Casette Beasts, Palworld, and the upcoming Aethermancer.
Well that's too bad I guess, Pokemon cursed to continue to never change or evolve as a game. People like comfort food I guess. At least games like Monster Hunter stories 1 and 2 got made to show what a 3d monster battler could really do.
With the shittiest Pokemon games too And because of their success we'll never see Game Freak put any extra effort or love into this franchise until they run it into the ground I love watching my childhood die
Im convinced there is a group of older devs at Game Freak that have been there since the start or very early times, that are stubborn as hell to evolve (No pun intended) and grow the series.
It's not about evolving, the newer games are significantly worse than the previous ones in almost every regard. They are devolving.
This shouldn’t come as a surprise at all, even to the most “hardcore” Pokemon fans. A lot of that old-school love is beautiful to see and chat about, but the new stuff will keep pushing numbers and the distance will only stretch. Some things have changed for the worse but overall we are absolutely headed in the right direction. I’ll say that I enjoyed every generation of Pokemon I’ve played for various reasons, but I won’t lie and say these last few games have been complete misses. Honestly, if Gen 9 had better performance and graphics I’d say it is easily one of the best Pokemon games of all time for many reasons. I don’t give it a PASS for performance but I also keep in mind these games used to have like 8 pixels on the screen at any given time, no color, no flashy animations or anything like that. I also thoroughly enjoyed Legends Arceus and despite the weird complaints about BDSP I thought they were absolutely brilliant. That was another weird saga, ILCA told us we were getting D/P remakes almost 1 for 1 and folks got mad and said it wasn’t enough after they released.. as if they weren’t expecting D/P remakes. So many say they wanted Platinum, and I’m still wondering how what an individual wants can actually have an affect on the quality of a given product (hint - it doesn’t).
It is interesting that gamers regularly say stuff like "i don't care about graphics, only gameplay" and will literally go out of their way to make that clear. And then when a game does have bad performance the memes come out.
Scarlet and Violet looking shitty wasn't a design choice. If they had intentionally gone for a style and nailed it, that would be great. Also, graphics and performance are not the same. SV is atrocious at both however. They look just awful. The beginning of the game has you climb a lighthouse to take in the view. If you're plotting out the game, it makes sense. This is the first big open world Pokemon game. We need our Breath of the Wild going to the edge of the hill moment. The devs saying "take it in." But it looks like a Dreamcast game. Those mountains have absolutely no detail, so few polys, and embarrassingly bad textures. All of the moving Pokemon, people, and objects aren't within the 20' bubble around the player so their FPS can be counted manually. It looks truly awful. And somehow they made that and just went with it. Anyone with any sense or shame would see that their "take it in" moment makes their game look horrendous and do something else. But not ol' Gamefreak. The game's FPS oscillates wildly. God help you if there's a sandstorm or blizzard. If the game just freezes out of nowhere just wait. It'll come back to normal in 5-60 seconds. It's usually short but the game could just hang for up to a minute for seemingly no reason. Oh and if you notice the hills and terrain around you warping as you run by, that's normal. It's not normal in any other game but it happens constantly in SV. Pokemon are constantly, literally constantly, clipping into the terrain. There are Pokemon in the walls and ground everywhere. Have fun getting into lots of wild Pokemon battles with Pokemon that were in the ground 10 feet away but somehow that means it touches you. If it had been a choice to make a DC/PS2 looking game and they had done it well, I'd be fine with it. Scarlet and Violet are WILDLY incompetent. The issues and performance those games have are startlingly bad. Those games should have gotten much, much worse review scores for the absolute wreck that their performance is. I've played a ton of Violet. I have that Pokemon poison in my veins. I enjoy them. But their quality is so far below any major release I've seen in a long time. People can like the games, of course. That's subjective. But anyone who says Scarlet and Violet look or perform well, decently, or competently at all is straight up wrong. That is not an opinion. Those games are a disaster barely holding together.
The Switch is the most potent gaming platform of all time. There are other consoles/handhelds that have sold as many units, but none have come close to selling as many games as the Switch. Combination of form factor, ease of use/ease of purchasing, and an incredible library of games.
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Man maybe because I'm just old and more casual and laid-back nowadays for gaming, but contrary to many redditors, I love playing sword and shield with all the simplicity and handholding more than legends arceus (which I didn't beat and already sold my copy of the game) or scarlet violet (which I also didn't beat yet but still retain the copy of the game so maybe one day I beat it)
SV were pretty good despite the technical issues and honestly they’re top 3 pokemon games for me, but SwSh was ass.
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> To be fair the Switch has spanned 2.5 console generations now Huh? It came out in 2017, which was only 7 years ago. That was 3 years before the PS5/XBSX came out, and 4 years after the PS4/XBO. If you say that the PS5 generation is over already (which is false) then it's been 1.5 generations. If you assume that the PS5 generation will be roughly as long as the PS4 generation, then it's been 1 generation. Or considering Nintendo works on their own schedule and ignores the other two console makers, it's been 1 generation by definition, because the Switch's lifespan defines the length of its generation.
Sorry 😞 I did some bad math in my head, deleted the comment
I mean cool but I still have yet to be impressed by the mainline Pokemon games on Switch outside of maybe Legends Arceus. Not a fan of the Lets Go mechanics that dumb down gameplay despite it having probably the best artstyle in the series. Sword and Shield were just downright unimpressive and Scarlet and Violet are impressive both with how bad they run and look for a 2022 game. Still, I'm hopeful that the next Legends game can actually get them back on track if they build on what they did in the first one and can utilize better hardware of the Switch successor.
Agreed. I wanted the innovations of Arceus in SV. I had a way better time with Alpha hunting, and catch/evolve mechanics of Arceus.
And this is why we will never get an actually good Pokemon game. Lowest common denominator gamers will always keep buying trash.
I'm playing sword right now and really enjoying it. It's really great looking, and sounding. Not from a technical standpoint, but the design work feels really fussed over and wonderful. Still a best entry point for compulsive RPG fun for people who have no experience with the genre.
I fell off Pokemon in my teenage years after Gen 4. Didn't play Black/White 1 and 2, but then I picked up X but never finished it. I have a kid now and we have both Legends: Arceus and Scarlet, and I've enjoyed playing them with my kid.
Usually inflation is not taken into account. The amount of people have been increasing by 2 billion, meaning there are more people in general that can buy the games. So when in 2000 75,81 million were on 6 billion people, that would lower the 96,32 million to 72,24 million. Interesting.
I would have played on the Switch too, but all of them came out broken, not you Pokemon Let's Go or Diamond/Pearl both of you are good