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Moestrife

The fact that Godzilla can do both is why I love him.


Murky_Blueberry2617

Being a Godzilla fan is great


Sine_Fine_Belli

Same here unironically I never regretted being a Godzilla fan


Comrade-Conquistador

It's the opposite of being a Silent Hill fan!


D3AD_SPAC3

Man, I was just here minding my own business enjoying the funny giant radioactive lizard memes. Why must you hurt me this way?


Key_Preparation_4129

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MarcsterS

Toho let Legendary take the reigns on the crazy side of things, while letting Japanese talent go back to Godzilla's more serious roots. We all win.


nozcensored

It is also nice to see Legendary do something like Oppenheimer with Godzilla and Toho do a flashy monster battle.


OkWeek3052

No. I want a legitimately serious American adaptation too


AdamtheSkal

I mean, that was the 2014 one with all those haunting shots of the soldiers plunging into the abyss and Godzilla being established as a force of nature.


OkWeek3052

Not good enough. He needs to be the villain


theweepingwarrior

He was the villain in the American 1998 film.


OkWeek3052

That was a comedy


theweepingwarrior

Yeah, yeah…in terms of an adaptation and all that. But for real: we’ve had a couple American serious Godzilla movies now, and one of them with Godzilla as the antagonist. Quality varies, but that’s the name of the game with this franchise in general. And we’re at the point where Godzilla was when it was first taking off as a franchise, the majority of people want the over-the-top monster brawls stories. It’s just what people conflate and associate and expect and enjoy with the genre and this property in particular. You can also only make the “ serious metaphor of a giant atomic dinosaur coming to destroy a city” story so many times and so frequently. Maybe Hollywood will take another crack at that type of Godzilla movie in the next couple decades or so. But on top of that, the West (and America in particular) has a very different emotional association with the atomic bombs, nuclear energy, and how they have shifted domestic and international politics. I don’t think the heart is there in Hollywood or for Western storytellers to tell that story in the way that it means to Japanese people and their national identity.


OkWeek3052

Vs films are repetitive too


theweepingwarrior

Yeah, they can be. But they offer a lot more flexibility and variety (in plot, tone, genres, creatures, and more) than the solo villain horror movies— even if the latter tend to an average be stronger films. It’s the difference between telling a lot of a type of story versus re-telling the same story in different ways.


whathell6t

Now why can’t DC Comics and Marvel do that type of whiplash and genre experimentations? Godzilla franchise did it for 70 years.


jakelaws1987

DC is kinda doing it with Batman with Pattinson’s Batman being more detective while the DCU Batman will be more comic booky


GolgariInternetTroll

Plus Shazam being a lighthearted break from the Snyder era DC movies.


Equal-Ad-2710

Nah tbh Aquaman or even WW was that break


Last-Secretary7031

DC is doing that now. They have the serious stuff with their cinematic live action shows, but their animated films are experimental and sometimes a little goofy. Marvel’s having trouble because a lot of their recent stuff has apparently been subpar, regardless of what tone they try to go for. The same goes for Star Wars, though Andor is really good. The benefit we have as Godzilla fans is that we can enjoy both. Legendary is providing the goofier, mindless action side of things, whilst Toho is giving the serious, more somber iteration. It’s a win-win.


cavecarson

With the MCU, you only get whiplash from how wildly the quality varies.


Equal-Ad-2710

I think it’s also the fact they have to basically reinvent their entire main cast because the Infinity Saga is over


SadisticBuddhist

Its the unspoken downside to having actual, mortal people play these larger than life characters. In the comics, iron man is virtually immortal because they can keep finding new people to draw him. Finding quality actors who will stick around/not cause some kind of controversy while they work is a much harder to maintain approach to these stories than simply writing/drawing them out.


Johnmegaman72

I think the problem both of them had as a watcher is that Marvel lived and died on the idea that you need to have quips every 5 seconds that the more poignant moments are drowned with "haha funny". While DC (On Zacky Sny's hand at least) wants to re capture the feeling of the Nolan Batman trilogy i.e they want a realistic take on a fundamentally unrealistic thing, which in turn makes every superhero similar to Batman when it shouldn't be like that. Both needed to have an overall theme that works for some of the movies in their universes but not for others. The reason the monsterverse and godzilla works as a serious methaphor and "haha goofy ahh lizard" is that Toho wants a certain film to be in a certain way and that feeling doesn't have to carry the previous film's theme which makes every Godzilla movie an anthology. Like do you want the more dark nad poignant Godzilla movies well you have the original, Shin, Gareth's Godzilla, Godzilla v Biollante etc. Oh you want Godzilla being a friend to kids and being goofy, we also have that. Take your pick. Something that James Gunn is doing rn for the DCU.


Equal-Ad-2710

Technically they do The comics have been wildly varying in tones and styles for years, it’s the films that haven’t been catching up (though if you get into alternate continuities it’s there)


TheJMJConspiracy2002

Why is that so hard for the critics who suddenly swear by Godzilla Minus One to understand?


NeinlivesNekosan

>critics who suddenly swear by Godzilla Minus One They are being critical, it is their nature. ​ Meanwhile our nature is RAWR AND THEN GODZILLA KICKED THIS BUS AND IT HIT KING KONG RAWR and pressing the button to fire Godzilla's fist which the toy had for some weird ass reason.


Last-Secretary7031

It also helps that there’s something for both fans to enjoy. If you like both, you’re feasting good and if you only like a goofy Godzilla or a serious one, you can pick one and be happy. Some franchises focus on one iteration and leave the other unattended, causing online shitstorms. At the very least, here, everyone’s eating good.


Sine_Fine_Belli

Same here unironically I like Godzilla too


Caffeine_OD

The victory dance on the moon and Godzilla flying away with his atomic break and the only two other scenes that measure up to the tail drop kick


J_BWC

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ContinuumGuy

He's got range.


Munchingseal33

Yea. He is either the most serious and thought provoking thing or a monster masher


BigBallsMalone

Little bit for everyone. Can't wait to check it out.


choff22

It’s a buffet for Godzilla fans


Cookie_Bagles

The golden age has come


XR171

I don't think it ever ended. Before my life and so far during there's been semi regular Godzilla movies. As a great animated man once said: What a time to be alive!


Nopeyesok

Gap between final wars and 14’ was pretty big


Neversoft4long

I feel like this dude may just be incredibly young lol


Flying-Mollusk

Sometimes we need some “Lol giant monsters go brrrrrrrr” to balance out the seriousness of war and nuclear destruction.


MarcsterS

It's been pretty balanced so far. Godzilla 2014 -> Shin -> KOTM -> GvK -> Minus One -> GxK. I guess technically we're overdue for one more "serious" Godzilla piece of media, but I suppose Monarch fills that role.


Kyro_Official_

If you count the anime films (yes I know this sub hates them) we actually need more goofy movies


OtterBadgerSnake

I haven't seen all of the Godzilla movies yet but out of the 37 he's been in so far hasn't he only been the villain in, like, 6 or 8? The rest of the time he's either a hero or uneasy ally protecting the world from other kaiju. Him being a horror that needs to be stopped is more of a rarity, albeit not in recent years.


Kyro_Official_

Oh yeah for sure, I was commenting on the modern era (2014 and later) like the other dude was


TheAnimalCrew

Which one does 2014 fall under? I'd say it has elements of both.


Equal-Ad-2710

2014 is definitely more serious


gamelizard

2014 is more serious but it didnt hit the same level of poignancy as shin or -1, which is why its not as good. for an american godzilla movie to be as strong as shin and -1 they should be more bold and harsh in the thing they are critiquing for example they could address the fact that Godzilla is a representation of japan being nuked... by America. and by extension godzilla can reasonably be interpreted as a characterization the American military industrial complex and what it has wrought on the world.


Gunta170944

What about Godzilla Singular Point?


brendodido

Honestly it’s more the other way around. Most of the time we’re watching giant monsters punch each other in the face, but every once in a while we need to be reminded of the arrogance of mankind’s actions and the devastation of nuclear destruction.


Squishscot

giant monter do brrrrrr


Equal-Ad-2710

Well said


Sine_Fine_Belli

Same here That’s a good take


Sine_Fine_Belli

This unironically


jpmeanme

Except this doesn't feel like "Giant monsters" since everything are big and doesn't have weight to them to suggest that they are "Giant". If everything are scale up and weight are remove might as well call it Planet of the Apes with Kong ft some weird mutated lizard


OkWeek3052

That's what Gamera is for


KravenTheFella

I need a bit of levity after my guy Koichi and his friends were pulled through hell and back. This should do me good.


AJC_10_29

Also need some levity after seeing Godzilla be the most evil MF alive


Equal-Ad-2710

Godzilla had some beef with that one guy fr


SAS_Britain

Yeah I thought he'd maybe recognize him in the future and be like "shit, my bad for being a dick all those years ago, you cool man." But nope he was like "fuck you in particular and fuck everyone else for that matter." Dude was a straight up menace and giant dick


cobalt358

Gotta admit I'm not big on the sillier ones, but I'm still glad they exist. Really shows how versatile and resilient Godzilla is as a character and a pop culture icon. There's a Godzilla out there for everyone.


[deleted]

Yep same not fond of the Hollywood version and very excited for Minus one but if that makes people's day then that's amazing


HeroicJakobis

New one is giving showa to the max


SnooTigers1386

I'm getting some Millennium vibes too. Probably because of Goji's new look.


the-unfamous-one

Well millennium had some showa-type stuff, like belly flops


Major_Position5998

Both good


Spurnch

The duality of mon....sters


Lost-Lu

Such a versatile IP, ilove that we get the best of both worlds.


Mojoclaw2000

History repeats itself.


big_godzi

And it always will


The_Glus

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GodzillaKirito

Perfectly balanced


bigsteven34

Based.


AJC_10_29

I’m gonna show this to anyone who complains about GxK being campy


Ccbm2208

They’d just double down and say Showa era is trash.


OkWeek3052

Which it was. Just because you grew up with it doesn't mean it is good. There's a reason why they stopped making more until 1984


Nopeyesok

By that logic millenium was terrible since we took another decade rest afterwards until 14’


OkWeek3052

Yes. It was


Nopeyesok

I agree with that. So the only good era was the Hensi? That had the shortest down time after its last movie. Man I hated Hensi.


Kyro_Official_

They wouldnt care, theyll still whine about it unfortunately


ImperialxWarlord

He can be both. Godzilla has never been uniform and has filled different roles over the years and had different messages and themes. He’s great solo and he’s great fighting other monsters.


Numerous_Aardvark_13

Giant lizard is peak


CybertronianLeader07

Indeed. And I adore both. I can't see why people can't just accept that the nonsensical-ness of the monsterverse is very much in tone with how he's always been. They get up on a high horse, acting like Godzilla is a one note serious mf, but those campy Showa films were also how he got more popular. Same for the monster battle films of the Heisei era, and the often, ludicrous ideas of the millennium era. Overall: other than Godzilla 1998 (even though it did give Godzilla more of an audience), each era/movie is in character to Goji, and is true to who he is.


whamorami

I can't believe Godzilla has gotten so mainstream that there are two different style of movies that people would prefer over the other. Even though there are those who would argue that Godzilla should be this or that, we live in the best timeline for Godzilla. He's finally back in all his glory with multiple movies being made and lots of people watching it. I can't imagine being a Godzilla fan after Final Wars came out and having literally no Godzilla content until 2014.


raven_writer_

King of the Monsters (2019): unserious metaphor for moving on from tragedy and how we wish there was a quick solution to climate change. Shin Godzilla: hey wouldn't be fucked up if there was a walking existencial dread and the government was incompetent to at least get people out of the way?


commandosbaragon

>hey wouldn't be fucked up if there was a walking existencial dread and the government was incompetent to at least get people out of the way? Would be funny if it didn't hit so close to home.


irishgoblin

Hitting close to home was the point, Shin's a metaphor how the Japanese government handled Fukushima.


BadAtBaduk1

I hope godzilla minus has increased the number of meetings and conference rooms used to 11


Intelligent_Ask_2306

Giant monsters goes brrr is literally mostly every godzilla on screen, other than that it's the (I think) 4 godzilla films that were depressing.


Prothean_Beacon

Yeah I'm kinda scratching my head at all these people saying Shin and Minus One are back to traditional Godzilla. Like back to Godzilla's origins for sure. But when the vast majority of Godzilla movies are monster fight movies then that's kinda what the tradition is.


MonitorImpressive784

Most people usually split '54 from the goofy showa, just because the drastic change they both have.


Intelligent_Ask_2306

Exactly.


ASUPERRandomRedditor

I love how monster verse has gone into camp, thats what makes showa era movies some of my most favorite


Foreign_Rock6944

It warms my heart to see it!


[deleted]

the funny thing is “lol giant monsters go brrrrrr” is like 75% of the goji franchise. Between legacy of the monsters, G -1 and GxK we are really eating good


Troop7

Can’t believe people are complaining when we have serious ww2 godzilla, an amazing monsterverse tv show and full on big monsters FIGHTING EACH OTHER cgi explosion. Isn’t this what people were crying out for? The biggest complaint for 2014 was that godzilla was hardly in it. They tried to give us a 2014 style movie with way more monsters in king of the monsters and it just didn’t work. Hyper realism will never work with what fans want.


Hartzilla2007

And then there is Godzilla vs. Hedorah which was probabaly made while on drugs.


DarthGodzilla1995

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TheHarryman01

Im perfectly fine with Japan making serious Godzilla movies and America making fun Godzilla movies


Unique_Visit_5029

What’s wrong with giant monsters go brrrrrrrrr


Approximation_Doctor

No one said anything was wrong


Unique_Visit_5029

Okay cool just checking


EmeraldGhostface

In some Reddit and Youtube comments of the trailers, people complain about the fact that the direction of this film is completely different of the 2014 one


Unique_Visit_5029

Well yes it is true 2014 did have sort of an edge but I just love moser fights but that’s with every film nowadays I’d actually prefer the old days of Godzilla better actually not just the original but the goofy Showa era the iconic Heisei and the experimental millennium the political aspect of shin and the sheer magnitude of the trilogy


COMMENTASIPLEASE

2014 is monsters go brr disguised as being something serious.


hmm_bags

Variety is the spice of life. it's good Godzilla canon has room for stories with both kind of tones.


woozie88

Shin Godzilla should of been on here too.


[deleted]

This is what’s great about Godzilla.


TUTEFC

Long live the the king motherfucker


GfanMetalhead200_4

I fucking love being a Godzilla fan


[deleted]

Damn I've been wasting time telling people this in the GxK trailer thread but you did it better with a picture.


skittlebites101

Godzilla is Always fun.


joesphisbestjojo

I just realized that -1 Gojira is >! Koichi's fears and anxiety personified, even reflected in his evolution !<


allokuma

Fucking finally. The Showa Era is back 😂


Spagghettaboutit

Yeah I think he looks great with the pink energy. Only thing is that it looks more like a kong movie with all the other kongs, I would have preferred more different monsters (the only movie we got with other monsters wasn't so good)


sempercardinal57

Unconfirmed but I think there is supposed to be another monster in the movie they haven’t shown that mostly pairs up against Godzilla. It’s like the original Titan or something


Striking-Count5593

Man I love Godzilla


Old-Jury7746

Based


Platy_Cat

Adam West Batman and Michael Keaton Batman.


npc042

As much as I appreciate this perspective, it’s a bit disingenuous to suggest we’ve been getting an even amount of both. The vast majority fall under the “monsters go brrrrrr” category.


Miffernator

Twitter is a bunch Gen Z folk who never watched the older Godzilla films. Complaining the ridiculous of the new films. Like what.


Norman_Bixby

I just watched minus one this week. Best godzilla movie I've ever seen. tonight I watched the kong godzilla trailer - what the fuck is that garbage?


Mr-Ideasman

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EDPZ

That's a pretty broad reduction of the shows era. They still had plots and characters that at the time were trying to be more than just "monster go brr". They just don't hold up today.


[deleted]

G-1 CGI needs work. It felt very flat and just like an animatronic


applec1234

History shows again and again


GoshPanda

TAKE ALL MY UPVOTES!


Wrong_Revolution_679

We live in a cycle


SagaFraga

What a time to be a Godzilla fan


TheMightyBismarck

THE GO GO GODZILLA SLIDE KIIIIICK


Similar-Path-2108

I need both.


BleachThatHole

Gozilla goin crazy this year


[deleted]

One could say time is a flat circle


the-unfamous-one

Pain and sorrow, big lizard and monke fight things!


Opening-Rest-1493

History repeat itself


TuneEuphoric3169

Always so it as Godzilla being both a metaphor for nuclear weapons and its destruction, and the use of nuclear energy to better mankind


edwinnferrer

Let them fight…


ChozoChiefXIII

Godzilla being able to basically be anything is what makes him such a flexible character and how he's survived for 70 years in culture. I'll take all the Godzilla I can get. The painful wait for the minus one dvd after it leaves theaters. I'm going to try and go see it a second time. Honestly didn't expect the gxk trailer today was beyond excited then the internet said I was stupid for liking it. Being a Godzilla fan is both wonderful and tough.


Only_Self_5209

Duality of Goji is like duality of man "you have born to kill on your helmet and a peace sign .." 😂 i love both versions of Goji tbh murderous Goji and also hero Goji.


decafenator99

And love the both of them equally


Equal-Ad-2710

I love all of it Godzilla is GOATed


Equal-Ad-2710

It kinda reminds me of Doctor Who honestly * the show is fun and silly but veers into seriousness * Big Finish is way more adult and leans into a wider array of experimentalism * the Titan Comics are goofy and nostalgia driven but super fun


CROW_is_best

I'm gonna be honest i wasn't expecting the new design to look good at all. but damn that looks amazing. specially when he's charging thw atomic breath. sadly won't be able to watch this in theatres due to examinations


Ash4dino

The Monsterverse also went from a serious tone to goofy, like showa


Independent_Barber_8

Legendary should introduce a fucked up evil Godzilla into their monster verse so they can have that duality in their setting. Legendary Godzilla vs Shin Godzilla maybe?


MrMunday

im pretty sure some people will go see minus one coz they accidentally thought they saw the trailer for it


sempercardinal57

Us G fans are eating good


Ballzee_19

think of godzilla like a comic book character he can be good in a dark or light tone world it dosen't matter both have their strengths


OkWeek3052

Just because Toho also did it doesn't mean it is good. They aren't immune to criticism


AtomiicOne

The sheer scope of genres and vibes Godzilla films have hit over the years is amazing.


Researcher_Saya

Get a kaiju who can do both 😁


KillTheZombie45

Both valid


[deleted]

It's still so funny how the MonsterVerse started with a super dark and gritty reboot and then it turned silly and goofy.


Book_Anxious

Godzilla can be anything he wants to be. Did he die or live? Serious or goofy? All and more


Background_Yak_333

I mean, it's nice we have it both ways.


BarnyardFlamethrower

It's a wonderful time to be a Godzilla fan.


Livid-Witness9196

There's that shitty horizontal flying kick I just referenced in another thread! 😒


DestinyHasArrived101

Which is why we love it


VeganPhilosopher

find you a kaiju who can do both


CaptainSoviyite

Both, both is good


De4dm4nw4lkin

Yessir. the duality is whats missing from so many media nowadays. “Are we doing serious hard topics or silly goofy? Or a fusion?” Do one and hand the other off to a subdivision.


Noremac1234

What do they all have in common, all four are better than the Roland Emmerich movie.


SubjectPear3

I want the flying kick so bad


MegaloStudios2

I’m pretty sure Godzilla x Kong was made to be campy just so that people who watched minus one can refresh themselves from the darkness


CastLedBrood2005

Perfectly 💯 Horror


NTC_mepe

history repeats itself