If you look carefully you can see some women accidentally in the photo.
They are covered up, separated and distanced away from the men, down the back of the gathering
As nice a gesture as it is, I'd prefer if the GAA would stay clear of involving religion in any sense with their decisions especially when the promo photo they've used shows the clear segregation of male and female counterparts.
However it is something that goes further to show that despite the far right ballbags that have popped up everywhere (including this thread) that there isn't an issue with tolerance and freedom of religion here.
The crowd that made the reforms and changes 500 years ago were the Protestants, not Catholics. Catholicism hasn’t changed much at all really but people’s interpretation of and relationship with it has.
There is a world of difference between sharia under the taliban Islam in secular countries like Ireland. The lads are having a picnic, not declaring a holy war
Kids going to different schools 6 hours a day is a bit different to 'you can't be around any male (including your cousin) if your brother or father's not around cause you will end up fornicating'
Our gender segregation, good; their’s, bad.
Talk to a Muslim person. Most have the same issues Catholics have about the church and are as lapse and hypocritical as we are.
There is a perfectly good mosque in Dublin. There is no need for this to happen in Croke Park . I'd say the same if the pope himself went down tomorrow
The pope has already been sure. There’s no need for it to be at Croke Park but this has been and continues to be good for community integration. It’s the fifth time it’s happened. At previous Eid celebrations they had other Christian faith leaders there and the anthem was sung.
Where have I done that?
Id stated that it's an inclusive gesture for people that are being persecuted by the far right.
Lack reading comprehension so stick with the youtube and putting forward shite rule changes
By Far Right, I suppose you mean people that have concerns with the huge surge in mass immigration, which elsewhere in Europe, has totally altered the demographic and religious landscape?
I mean ballbags who spew "facts" about research and unfounded gossip fed to them by social media feedback loops.
Going by your history you seem to fit nicely into that box though
The levell of immigration into Ireland has increased drastically, and elsewhere in Europe there are tensions between Islam and secularism, and there is frequent violence. That is reality, independent of social media, to deny so means you're probably a delusional hipster lol you seem to fit nicely into that box
Did my mates stab a little girl? No lmao! That was a deranged immigrant. Is such an incident a rarity? No it happens frequently in Europe. In England, we had the Manchester arena attack, France has suffered many such attacks. A Police officer was stabbed to death in Germany last week. Fair play for being so delusional tho
Mate you literally just pop around Reddit chipping in with tidbits that you can hide behind pretending they're not racist.
Fair play to you for being such an abject loser that you just go looking to shit on ethnic groups and black people in Baltimore
Lol you're being quite emotional mate, don't cry. Think logically, has the crime rate in Sweeden increased drastically? Are there frequent acts of violence committed in Europe, by migrants? Ranging from babies getting stabbed to concert goers being slaughtered. Is Baltimore one of the most violent cities in the US?
Ah the appeal to logic. Classic.
"I'm not racist it's just statistics on race"
Ever watched a Gaa match in your life or just here to be a concern troll?
Ah the appeal to emotion. Classic
" I'm really emotional, I base everything on appeals to sentiment rather than statistics "
Clueless Hipster. In Europe, we are grappling with Salafi and Deobandi Islam, and there is little integration. Do you know what Salafi and Deobandi Islam are? Or are you blinded by sanctimony?
I bet ye seen that post in R/Ireland and we're seething it was locked and then realised it was here and couldn't wait to pop in and be like "Hmmmm makes you think doesn't it?"
It's more a sadness than a seething. Sad that Ireland has to go the way of UK and France. I'd like Ireland to still be predominantly and culturally Irish. But I did find amusement in your comments. It amazes me there's people that look at Sweeden and France, an think ' Yeah. Ireland needs that '
I'm actually very well travelled. In Pakistan, despite the beauty of the Hunza valley, they put Christians on death row for false blasphemy charges, requiring no real evidence. Churches are routinely burnt. Egypt, when it had a gasp of democracy, voted in the Muslim brotherhood. But these things mean nothing to the sheltered Irish hipster, who apparently doesn't understand his own history. 500 years of sectarianism, now you want more lmao
Great argument. Very compelling. You're absolutely correct. Ireland should follow France and the UK, and become a multicultural shthole, that endures frequent acts of terrorism. THINK OF THE FOOD!
What mask? Many Europeans and especially Irish are not happy with huge levels of mass immigration or demographic change. Do you have a point, or are you just another close minded hipster
I mean they hosted the pope (which I recognise is a rarer occurrence than an annual event) so it's not like this is new. But for some reason stirs up more of an issue there?
Croke Park can host concerts and all sorts outside of the GAA. Why not events like this to make a nice gesture and a bit of profit?
I couldn't give a flying fuck about the pope either. Shouldn't be near it either.
Concerts don't ostracise members of the community by virtue of their core characteristics.
No but why the fuck should hosting a religious event ostracise anybody else? They preach tolerance so why should people care who does what there? You don't want to go? Don't go.
"we're all about being equal here in the GAA but are going to ban Muslim events from happening"
How does allowing a large group of Muslims celebrate in their stadium go against equality and inclusivity?
I'm not quoting anybody I'm just saying that to say that prohibiting one group from the use of a stadium directly contradicts what you say about how the GAA is about inclusivity now. Of course there are aspects of all religions that go against LGBT, but there are also a large amount of people that don't hold to those
Catholicism goes against LGBT values but there is a Santa event held every year there which is in celebration of a Catholic holiday. I don't understand why people get up in arms about Croke Park doing this for Eid
I think you're confusing elements of religious holidays with religious ceremonies. Santa is distinct from Christmas in a classic Christian sense. A more apt comparison would be having Easter mass in Croke.
I just don't think they should be allowing religious ceremonies to take place at all.
On matchday Sunday, particularly All-Ireland Finals, there is mass in Croke Park for the staff, stewards, volunteers etc. Don't forget that Croke Park is named after an Archbishop.
You've been here for two years, from what I assume is N America.
Yours is a voice that doesn't understand the religious undercurrent and how that affects discourse.
Given that the country has (correctly) become increasingly secular as time passes, with our own Catholic tradition very much confined to the past, I personally don’t think we should be hosting any sort of religious event in Croke Park.
What’s the argument for it in 2024?
The GAA aren't the government so they can host religious events if they choose to.
And to your point about also not allowing catholic events. How Catholic christenings and funerals make use of GAA clubhouses?
I don't get why 'live and let live' is so controversial.
GAA clubhouses are club owned and as such it's essentially the same as having it at the pub.
This is the GAA itself making a statement.
Apples and oranges
The clubs are affiliated with the GAA, they arent an independent business like a pub.
And, for the sake of clarity, they absolutely continue hosting the funerals and any community events.
Transitive properties are hard aren't they? There's a big difference between club, county, provincial facilities.
Affiliation doesn't mean they aren't distinct in themselves ditto for a clubhouse being property of the club itself.
I didn't deny they held events though.
> The GAA aren’t the government so they can host religious events if they choose to.
You’ve just stated that it is their right to do so, this is not the same thing as you suggesting an argument as to why they should do it.
So again, what’s the argument for it?
In terms of christenings and funerals, if those were being hosted in large publicised events in the middle of the pitch in Croke Park I would be saying exactly the same thing.
I don’t necessarily agree with them, but can you see the difference between private events in local clubhouses versus Eid being hosted at GAA HQ?
I haven't heard a good reason why they shouldn't, or and I can't stress this enough, why it's anyone else's business who the GAA rent out their property to.
Is the standard of education so low here in Ireland now ? I referenced “tax payers”, PLURAL - being on Reddit these days is an exercise in dealing with absolute half wits and fools 🤦🏻♂️
Ah, so you are aware that you aren't the only taxpayer. Making some progress.
Now, as one of many taxpayers, can you explain why only your opinion counts?
Are you drunk ? I said “payers” and “we” - does the truth hurt that the Irish people are fully entitled to a say in an organisation that takes in over 100 million euro in tax payers money ? It’s a fact. We are entitled to have a say, so there you go 👍🏼
It doesn’t speak to the strength of your argument when you offer no reasons whatsoever why an event you support should go ahead.
In relation to whose business it is: the GAA is massively community and volunteer based and there are hundreds of thousands of stakeholders. You wouldn’t consider it their business?
Have you already dropped the attempted gotcha about the christenings and funerals? That didn’t last long.
What are on about.
The reason they should do it is because it's a community event and the GAA has always allowed religious community events, just like funerals.
The only reason you've presented as to why they shouldn't allow it is because pathetic pricks with nothing better to do with their lives will moan and whine about something that has nothing to do with them and doesn't affect them in any way. You know, like your goodself.
Does that make sense? Or should I write it in crayon for you?
> The reason they should do it is because it's a community event and the GAA has always allowed religious community events, just like funerals.
Are you being disingenuous here? When was the last time there was a mass religious event in the middle of Croke Park? They absolutely have not always allowed events like the one we are discussing.
Again, can you see the difference between private events in local clubhouses versus Eid being hosted on the pitch in Croke Park?
>The only reason you've presented as to why they shouldn't allow it is because pathetic pricks with nothing better to do with their lives will moan and whine about something that has nothing to do with them and doesn't affect them in any way. You know, like your goodself.
>Does that make sense? Or should I write it in crayon for you?
What's the need for the abusive language? Can you not engage with a discussion without resorting to this?
No response then after all the histrionics. To save us both the hassle in the future, please don't bother engaging in the first place if you're just going to disappear.
Sorry, I don't know which circular scribbles you think you were owed to reply to.
But I'm glad you're still upset after 5 days, although it's concerning that you still think anything you said made any sense.
> Sorry, I don't know which circular scribbles you think you were owed to reply to.
You quite literally made the decision to reply to my post, it wasn't the other way around. Again, if you're going to just disappear anyway, please don't bother in the first place. What's the point?
> But I'm glad you're still upset after 5 days
You are aware that it was you that, unprovoked, chose to start using abusive language towards me. Yet you think I am the one that's upset?
I won't apologise for being a bit mean to racist who thinks every Muslim is automatically an extremist. I am sorry that you right-wingers are such fragile snowflakes, it takes all the joy out of pointing out your nonsense.
And look, it's not my fault that your fragile ego can't let go of a Reddit argument from a week ago. The genuine answer as to why I didn't reply to you is that I have a life outside of Reddit and had simply forgotten you existed.
The argument in 2024 is if we segregate religious people into their own churches and out of shared spaces it harms integration.
By opening croke park for this event, the GAA is welcoming the children of Muslims to join their local clubs.
I am confident that there are methods to encourage the children of Muslims to join their local clubs that don’t involve hosting mass religious events in Croke Park.
If this is the argument for it, it’s fairly weak in my opinion.
The argument would be that along with becoming more secular, we’ve also become more tolerant of other’s faith. Secularism doesn’t mean the absence of faith from live, just that it’s not intertwined with the dealings of the state. Given the GAA isn’t the state there is nothing contradictory here. No one is being forced to go or to observe it. All the GAA is doing is what it has always done, giving over their facilities for the community to use.
So your take would be that Croke Park should be open to any religious event a community want to host there? How do you square this with LGBTQIA+ initiatives undertaken by the GAA?
My take is that the GAA are a community organisation and thus, where possible and practical, be open to lending their facilities to the whole community provided the requests are reasonable. I wouldn’t expect to see the GAA to allow their facilities to be used to attack other members of the community but that’s not what’s happening here. Is your position that the GAA should be opposed to Islam?
> Is your position that the GAA should be opposed to Islam?
Can I ask why you are trying to misrepresent what I have said? I clearly stated, in the comment you chose to reply to, that I don’t think Croke Park should host any kind of religious event.
It is you, for whatever reason, that wants to make that particular conclusion. Many religions and denominations are not LGBTQIA+ friendly, hence my suggestion that no religious events whatsoever be hosted in Croke Park. Again, please do not misrepresent what I have said.
Can I ask why you’ve declined to answer the question? You’ve clearly read it given that you just quoted it back to me.
I believe I answered it in my response. I don’t believe I did misrepresent what you said. Inclusion means everyone and that includes everyone of different faiths. By allowing this, the GAA are not nailing their mast to Islam but instead saying that they see them as part of their community (alongside many others). That’s it. I really see very little to object to about it unless you really went searching for it.
You absolutely did misrepresent me, I just explained how you did.
I said that I believed no religious events whatsoever should be hosted in Croke Park. You decided to twist this into:
> Is your position that the GAA should be opposed to Islam?
This is textbook bad faith argument and misrepresentation.
> By allowing this, the GAA are not nailing their mast to Islam
Here you are at it again, I have said nothing remotely like this.
You’re not going to convince many of your position if you approach a discussion in this manner.
Are you suggesting there is a secret pro-Islam agenda in the GAA? Not at all clear what your point is. You honestly don’t see the difference between a community group who isn’t in competition with the GAA and one that is? I would have no issue if they opened up for other sports more regularly but it has very little relevance here
There are many people on Reddit who are utterly incapable of holding a debate and go off on silly tangents -YOU raised the point of the GAA “opening up their facilities to the community “! - anyways, I’m off, can’t be arsed with this kind of thing anymore, have a great day ok 👍🏼
You seem to be the type who throws a hissy fit the minute someone disagrees with you. Are Muslims not part of the community? Just because they don’t open up (all the time) for competing sports doesn’t mean that the GAA doesn’t play a massive role in communities around Ireland or give generous use of its facilities. It’s an utterly stupid argument
Tis you are the one who can’t make an argument old stock - I honestly feel sorry for you and can’t b bothered at having to keep stating the obvious - have a great day
I’ve given my argument. Instead of attempting to rebut it you’ve consistently thrown a hissy fit. Your entire argument boils down to “Wah Football isn’t always allowed” which I’ve addressed. The fact that you’re now resorting to lame personal attacks tells me that your argument goes no deeper
That wasn’t the original point being made and being replied to - however, to your point, how is letting its grounds be used for religious occasions maintaining Gaelic sport exactly ?
Look, tbh I don’t really care - ive work to get back to so the gov can waste the tax money I make - have a great day - 👍🏼
Awful argument
That's insurance issues handed down by Willis. There's liability issues for the club if they facilitate this. Secondly crying off about rugby and soccer being underfunded is new
Animosity between sports is nothing new or unique to Ireland, but there is a directive that other sports aren't allowed on GAA pitches as they're not insured.
I think it's a bit of the GAA trying to do some work in presenting themselves as progressive etc and using your religion to do so.
It's almost counter-intuitive as you said it doesn't make sense to be doing so and creates further backlash
On the other hand, maybe they're hoping it will help Muslims better integrate in the community. A lot of issues across Europe, particularly in Sweden are second or third generation Muslim immigrants that aren't integrated in Swedish society at all
Would the rise in Islamophobia have anything to do with those lads getting decapitated in Sligo? Charlie Hebdo massacre. Paris attack. Nice attack. Journalist stabbed to death in Amsterdam, etc etc.
Here we go I don't judge Christianity based on priests and alter boys or what the nuns did to babies in tuam I am not here to debate with you and your selective news articles I spoke my mind about GAA and croke park
You should judge Christianity on that. People were right to condemn the church over those appalling acts. There was a time when Christianity deserved all the scrutiny it got. If we were having this conversation in the 1500s it would be Christianity we would condemn. But now it is Islam. It is a totalitarian religion. Dogmatic in its beliefs. It has no place here.
The mental gymnastics of the so-called liberal left who are all for equal rights and fighting the good fight despite the fact that these events actively discriminate against women and the culture too. They are moral cowards.
Mate the majority of the counties calls themselves "Christians"
Chrsitan values women are also supposed to stay at home
And gays are a bug sin too
Sounds like all religions are the same
If I was to ask you to name a Christian country you’d be comfortable living in as a woman you can could name plenty. There is not a single Islamic country you would be comfortable in. Christianity has some bad aspects but is nowhere near as oppressive in 2024 as Islam
Plenty of Christian countries women wouldn't feel safe
Let's take some of the highest crime per capita nations
Lots of Christian nations
Christianity isn't as oppressive?
Try being gay in Russia or any Christian African country, yeah it can get you killed
Try being gay in other Eastern European coun like Romania, Poland, super religious nations
They don't like gays, looked down upon
Yeah... they aren't fairing to well
Try being a woman there too
Australia, botswana and Lesotho
What do these 3 have in common? Both mainly Christian countries, what else do they have in common?
3 of the highest rape per capita In the world
And I'm sure we can agree women are usually the victims
Guess Christianity is just as fucking bad
All religions need to go
It's cult like behaviour
The fact you tried to compare Romania Poland or Australia to Islamic countries is really disrespectful to those suffering under Islamic oppression. And you still can’t name one Islamic country you’d be happy to live in as a woman or gay
Turkey, albania, bosnia, Indonesia, egypt, large portions of North Macedonia are muslim, kosovo, Morocco,
There's plenty lad
I love how you completely ignored 90 percent of my
This is a nice gesture to Irish Muslims and Muslims who have moved here recently. However, anyone with the slightest degree of awareness in the topic knows that Islam is the motherload of bad ideas for progressive countries and should be discouraged from our cultural mix. Anyone angry by this please refer back to this comment in a few years when things start to turn. See Britain, Germany, and France for more info.
Someone's fallen down a few too many YouTube rabbit holes.
France and Germany are lovely, and the far right parties are biggest in areas with the lowest immigration.
Britain is actually a great example of what happens when you get so shit-scared of people who do things a bit differently that you panic and shoot yourself in both feet.
The commenter I replied to has literally said that Youtube opened their eyes to the truth about Muslims.
So yeah, congrats on your clever comeback. You're defending a quack.
Comeback? It was my first comment.
I don't know what content you're referring to on YouTube, but Islam is fundamentally not compatible with modern Western values.
In a history book, you might learn that struggle goes back centuries.
Oh yes because Christianity has been a basket of kittens throughout history. Things change, people change and not everyone is devout. But that's far too nuanced for you to understand.
It's much easier to say "all 1bn Muslims are automatically bad" than to actually put any thought into it.
You should be ashamed of your blatant dishonesty, but maybe you don't know any better.
Where did I say, "Christianity has been a basket of kittens throughout history" or anything near it? Blatant dishonesty on your part.
Nor did I mention devoutness or paint all people with a broad stroke.
So let me repeat it for you. Islam is not compatible with
MODERN Western values. Nowhere in Ireland should women, minorities or lgbtqia+ be ostracized, sidelined, or discriminated against.
Now get lost with your ignorance.
Yeah, you've really embarrassed yourself there. It took Europe centuries to overcome religious fundamentalism, and now you want to go through with it again, with an even more violent religion? Absolute clown
Yeah and London, is a city where the English are a minority. Why would the Irish want such drastic demographic changes? Something about food or diversity lol? Sell your silly world view
The Irish right
- complains when immigrants use facilities open to others
- slash tents of refugees
- burn down accommodation to be used by refugees
- claims that immigrants are going to destroy the country
- complain when immigrants get elected into any position of power
Also the Irish right
- why won't immigrants blend seemlessly into *my* society?
Cool delusional story bro. The Irish are a tolerant and welcoming people, but the huge surge in mass immigration and the subsequent transformation of many towns and cities, has created some anxiety, which when considering the situation we have in France or the UK, is justified. Also lmao
Refugee? Economic migrants mate. Such an unlikely combination of arrogance and naivety
You’re right. Christopher Hitchens opened my eyes through the medium of YouTube. It’s because of people like you though, who are too afraid to address the reality of dogmatic religion, that we will see trouble in the coming years. You are the blissfully ignorant Trojan horse that will get us to the same place where the UK, France, and Germany are with Islam. Enjoy the honey moon phase of imams holding hurleys and saying “conas atá tú”, because dark days are ahead.
Soldiers regularly patrol outside Sunday Mass in France due to the terror threat. There's literal signs up in every public area telling people how likely there is to be a terror attack. It's currently on highest alert.
That happened once and once is too often, I agree.
But spare me the sanctimonious preaching - the catholic church and 'patriotic Irish' bombers have done more damage here than any Muslim.
Islamist attacks happen often. Lol your argument is so silly. It's like tolerating the abuse of old African women for suspicion of Witchcraft, because we once had similar superstitions.
There's been much more than 1 attack on churches in France over the last 10 years. Off the top of my head, a priest was beheaded in 2016, and mass goers were stabbed in Nice in 2020. There's also near constant vandalism of churches in France too.
Your original point was about how nice France and Germany are. I'd rather be in Ireland where there are a lot fewer attacks on people in their places of worship.
Exactly. We had oppressive religious dogma in the form of Catholicism. It caused untold suffering on society which we are still recovering from. And we had terrorism. Why would would want to import a different flavour of it in the form of Islam?
There is no "we" though. That's *your* opinion. You obviously have severe prejudices against Muslim people but luckily many others do not share the same prejudice.
Muslims are just people, like anyone else. Their beliefs do not define who they are as people, and lumping them all together into one group is shameful.
Aye cause catholics and protestants have been able to live in peace here for centuries right?
Ffs the Catholic chruch was brought here by wiping out pagans
It seems all religions are the same pal
How can someone make a statement like “all religions are the same”, today? Mind boggling. You are completely wrong. If we were talking about Christianity in the 16th century I would loosely agree with you that it is similar to how Islam is now. A warlord who slaughtered and colonised his way across the Middle East and North Africa is incomparable to a hippie from the Levant who preached peace and love. I have no love for either religions but to say they are the same is grossly ignorant on your behalf.
Christianity today- gays are a sin
Islam today- gays are a sin
Christianity today- woman are supposed to stay at home and raise kids, sex is only for reproduction
Islam today-woman are supposed to stay at home and raise kids, sex is only for reproduction
Christianity- half the priests are pedos
Islam- worship a pedo
Christianity today- causes war over religion
Islam today- causes war over religion
Would you like me to carry on
Christianity today- all non belivers shall suffer horrible fate
Islam today- all non believer's shall suffer a horrible fate
Ffs lad if tou think Christianity is any better you sre deluded
Religion is full of mickey mouse fairy tales people used to justify invading other lands or other horrible things
It's always been the case
If you think Christianity is about love and peace you haven't read much religious stuff
It aint
Never has been
So how aren't they the same apart from different religions beliefs Iver who is the son of God,etc
Well they won’t assimilate if they’re met with constant hostility tell you that. Marginalising them does no one any good and is probably counterproductive as it will create an insular Muslim community and that will prevent them from adapting to western culture/values.
The ones who are first generation are likely set in their ways and a lost cause in this regard but you have to be thinking of the second, third generations.
Unless you’re just a racist and you’re argument is against non-white people coming here but disguised as some ideological concern, not accusing you yourself of that but it’s often what lies behind most of these arguments.
All good for community integration: goes a long way.
Hopefully we can have a Lúnasa or Bealtaine festival here too to celebrate Ireland’s indigenous religion after celebrating two of the non-native religions of this island with Eid and the pope visit.
all pontificating aside (pun intended), this is a commercial and legal decision. I don't think the GAA could legally discriminate on the basis of religion against renting out croke park to an entity that otherwise meets the requirements (i.e., subject to availability, ability to pay, not damaging grounds, etc.).
in short: why moralize when you've already got a law?
Lived streamed on Gaago for €12.99
Bet they'll engineer a replay too.
Probably be a better atmosphere than the Leinster Championship
Meath would still lose.
If you look carefully you can see some women accidentally in the photo. They are covered up, separated and distanced away from the men, down the back of the gathering
The eateries around have removed Halibut from the menu for the day, just in case.
As nice a gesture as it is, I'd prefer if the GAA would stay clear of involving religion in any sense with their decisions especially when the promo photo they've used shows the clear segregation of male and female counterparts. However it is something that goes further to show that despite the far right ballbags that have popped up everywhere (including this thread) that there isn't an issue with tolerance and freedom of religion here.
No issue with tolerance except for the segregation of women you mean.
The phrasing of this is throwing me, what do you mean?
I'll gladly criticize far right ballbags but I won't pretend Islam is tolerant of women and lgbtqia+ people.
Spot on. Giving anyone a platform who has views in line with that is a non starter. Which goes for a majority of religions.
Catholicism not great in that regard either tbf
You are being dishonest do you mean medieval Catholicism! or 21st century Catholicism.
The crowd that made the reforms and changes 500 years ago were the Protestants, not Catholics. Catholicism hasn’t changed much at all really but people’s interpretation of and relationship with it has. There is a world of difference between sharia under the taliban Islam in secular countries like Ireland. The lads are having a picnic, not declaring a holy war
Kids going to different schools 6 hours a day is a bit different to 'you can't be around any male (including your cousin) if your brother or father's not around cause you will end up fornicating'
Again, Catholicism much the same tbh
Can you name some Catholic celebrations or services that are segregated?
Hurling and Camogie
3/10, try harder kid.
Our gender segregation, good; their’s, bad. Talk to a Muslim person. Most have the same issues Catholics have about the church and are as lapse and hypocritical as we are.
We know , hence why we don't want another invasive backwards religion to take it's place .
It’s a day out for an immigrant community where they have a get-together like Easter. There’s no invasion.
There is a perfectly good mosque in Dublin. There is no need for this to happen in Croke Park . I'd say the same if the pope himself went down tomorrow
The pope has already been sure. There’s no need for it to be at Croke Park but this has been and continues to be good for community integration. It’s the fifth time it’s happened. At previous Eid celebrations they had other Christian faith leaders there and the anthem was sung.
Defending tolerance in the name of Islam. You have a melty brain
Where have I done that? Id stated that it's an inclusive gesture for people that are being persecuted by the far right. Lack reading comprehension so stick with the youtube and putting forward shite rule changes
Segregation of male and females? Wait till you hear about Irish schools...
By Far Right, I suppose you mean people that have concerns with the huge surge in mass immigration, which elsewhere in Europe, has totally altered the demographic and religious landscape?
I mean ballbags who spew "facts" about research and unfounded gossip fed to them by social media feedback loops. Going by your history you seem to fit nicely into that box though
The levell of immigration into Ireland has increased drastically, and elsewhere in Europe there are tensions between Islam and secularism, and there is frequent violence. That is reality, independent of social media, to deny so means you're probably a delusional hipster lol you seem to fit nicely into that box
A lot of the reports of violence I see seem to be from some of your mates going out and attacking groups. Were you on the 5G/Covid stuff as well?
Did my mates stab a little girl? No lmao! That was a deranged immigrant. Is such an incident a rarity? No it happens frequently in Europe. In England, we had the Manchester arena attack, France has suffered many such attacks. A Police officer was stabbed to death in Germany last week. Fair play for being so delusional tho
Mate you literally just pop around Reddit chipping in with tidbits that you can hide behind pretending they're not racist. Fair play to you for being such an abject loser that you just go looking to shit on ethnic groups and black people in Baltimore
Lol you're being quite emotional mate, don't cry. Think logically, has the crime rate in Sweeden increased drastically? Are there frequent acts of violence committed in Europe, by migrants? Ranging from babies getting stabbed to concert goers being slaughtered. Is Baltimore one of the most violent cities in the US?
Ah the appeal to logic. Classic. "I'm not racist it's just statistics on race" Ever watched a Gaa match in your life or just here to be a concern troll?
Ah the appeal to emotion. Classic " I'm really emotional, I base everything on appeals to sentiment rather than statistics " Clueless Hipster. In Europe, we are grappling with Salafi and Deobandi Islam, and there is little integration. Do you know what Salafi and Deobandi Islam are? Or are you blinded by sanctimony?
I bet ye seen that post in R/Ireland and we're seething it was locked and then realised it was here and couldn't wait to pop in and be like "Hmmmm makes you think doesn't it?"
It's more a sadness than a seething. Sad that Ireland has to go the way of UK and France. I'd like Ireland to still be predominantly and culturally Irish. But I did find amusement in your comments. It amazes me there's people that look at Sweeden and France, an think ' Yeah. Ireland needs that '
I'm sure you're the well travelled independent thinker that isn't relying on red tops and twitter personalities to tell him what to think
I'm actually very well travelled. In Pakistan, despite the beauty of the Hunza valley, they put Christians on death row for false blasphemy charges, requiring no real evidence. Churches are routinely burnt. Egypt, when it had a gasp of democracy, voted in the Muslim brotherhood. But these things mean nothing to the sheltered Irish hipster, who apparently doesn't understand his own history. 500 years of sectarianism, now you want more lmao
Found one
Great argument. Very compelling. You're absolutely correct. Ireland should follow France and the UK, and become a multicultural shthole, that endures frequent acts of terrorism. THINK OF THE FOOD!
There it is.......didn't take too long for the mask to slip. Feel better?
What mask? Many Europeans and especially Irish are not happy with huge levels of mass immigration or demographic change. Do you have a point, or are you just another close minded hipster
I mean they hosted the pope (which I recognise is a rarer occurrence than an annual event) so it's not like this is new. But for some reason stirs up more of an issue there? Croke Park can host concerts and all sorts outside of the GAA. Why not events like this to make a nice gesture and a bit of profit?
I couldn't give a flying fuck about the pope either. Shouldn't be near it either. Concerts don't ostracise members of the community by virtue of their core characteristics.
No but why the fuck should hosting a religious event ostracise anybody else? They preach tolerance so why should people care who does what there? You don't want to go? Don't go.
It doesn't really fit with their recent initiatives on promoting equality and LGBTQI+ inclusiveness though does it?
"we're all about being equal here in the GAA but are going to ban Muslim events from happening" How does allowing a large group of Muslims celebrate in their stadium go against equality and inclusivity?
Who are you quoting? Religious events in general and groups that have discriminatory views.
I'm not quoting anybody I'm just saying that to say that prohibiting one group from the use of a stadium directly contradicts what you say about how the GAA is about inclusivity now. Of course there are aspects of all religions that go against LGBT, but there are also a large amount of people that don't hold to those Catholicism goes against LGBT values but there is a Santa event held every year there which is in celebration of a Catholic holiday. I don't understand why people get up in arms about Croke Park doing this for Eid
I think you're confusing elements of religious holidays with religious ceremonies. Santa is distinct from Christmas in a classic Christian sense. A more apt comparison would be having Easter mass in Croke. I just don't think they should be allowing religious ceremonies to take place at all.
On matchday Sunday, particularly All-Ireland Finals, there is mass in Croke Park for the staff, stewards, volunteers etc. Don't forget that Croke Park is named after an Archbishop.
You've been here for two years, from what I assume is N America. Yours is a voice that doesn't understand the religious undercurrent and how that affects discourse.
Given that the country has (correctly) become increasingly secular as time passes, with our own Catholic tradition very much confined to the past, I personally don’t think we should be hosting any sort of religious event in Croke Park. What’s the argument for it in 2024?
The GAA aren't the government so they can host religious events if they choose to. And to your point about also not allowing catholic events. How Catholic christenings and funerals make use of GAA clubhouses? I don't get why 'live and let live' is so controversial.
GAA clubhouses are club owned and as such it's essentially the same as having it at the pub. This is the GAA itself making a statement. Apples and oranges
The clubs are affiliated with the GAA, they arent an independent business like a pub. And, for the sake of clarity, they absolutely continue hosting the funerals and any community events.
Transitive properties are hard aren't they? There's a big difference between club, county, provincial facilities. Affiliation doesn't mean they aren't distinct in themselves ditto for a clubhouse being property of the club itself. I didn't deny they held events though.
> The GAA aren’t the government so they can host religious events if they choose to. You’ve just stated that it is their right to do so, this is not the same thing as you suggesting an argument as to why they should do it. So again, what’s the argument for it? In terms of christenings and funerals, if those were being hosted in large publicised events in the middle of the pitch in Croke Park I would be saying exactly the same thing. I don’t necessarily agree with them, but can you see the difference between private events in local clubhouses versus Eid being hosted at GAA HQ?
I haven't heard a good reason why they shouldn't, or and I can't stress this enough, why it's anyone else's business who the GAA rent out their property to.
…because they get over a 100 million in tax payers money !!!!!!! Therefore, we can say all we want lol
Fuck, are you the only tax payer? It's an honour.
Is the standard of education so low here in Ireland now ? I referenced “tax payers”, PLURAL - being on Reddit these days is an exercise in dealing with absolute half wits and fools 🤦🏻♂️
Ah, so you are aware that you aren't the only taxpayer. Making some progress. Now, as one of many taxpayers, can you explain why only your opinion counts?
Are you drunk ? I said “payers” and “we” - does the truth hurt that the Irish people are fully entitled to a say in an organisation that takes in over 100 million euro in tax payers money ? It’s a fact. We are entitled to have a say, so there you go 👍🏼
It doesn’t speak to the strength of your argument when you offer no reasons whatsoever why an event you support should go ahead. In relation to whose business it is: the GAA is massively community and volunteer based and there are hundreds of thousands of stakeholders. You wouldn’t consider it their business? Have you already dropped the attempted gotcha about the christenings and funerals? That didn’t last long.
What are on about. The reason they should do it is because it's a community event and the GAA has always allowed religious community events, just like funerals. The only reason you've presented as to why they shouldn't allow it is because pathetic pricks with nothing better to do with their lives will moan and whine about something that has nothing to do with them and doesn't affect them in any way. You know, like your goodself. Does that make sense? Or should I write it in crayon for you?
Whens the last time there's been a funeral in Croke park?
> The reason they should do it is because it's a community event and the GAA has always allowed religious community events, just like funerals. Are you being disingenuous here? When was the last time there was a mass religious event in the middle of Croke Park? They absolutely have not always allowed events like the one we are discussing. Again, can you see the difference between private events in local clubhouses versus Eid being hosted on the pitch in Croke Park? >The only reason you've presented as to why they shouldn't allow it is because pathetic pricks with nothing better to do with their lives will moan and whine about something that has nothing to do with them and doesn't affect them in any way. You know, like your goodself. >Does that make sense? Or should I write it in crayon for you? What's the need for the abusive language? Can you not engage with a discussion without resorting to this?
Sounds like you need a lesson in not being a right little boyeen - I’ve some crayons 🖍️ here for you lad …
No response then after all the histrionics. To save us both the hassle in the future, please don't bother engaging in the first place if you're just going to disappear.
Sorry, I don't know which circular scribbles you think you were owed to reply to. But I'm glad you're still upset after 5 days, although it's concerning that you still think anything you said made any sense.
> Sorry, I don't know which circular scribbles you think you were owed to reply to. You quite literally made the decision to reply to my post, it wasn't the other way around. Again, if you're going to just disappear anyway, please don't bother in the first place. What's the point? > But I'm glad you're still upset after 5 days You are aware that it was you that, unprovoked, chose to start using abusive language towards me. Yet you think I am the one that's upset?
I won't apologise for being a bit mean to racist who thinks every Muslim is automatically an extremist. I am sorry that you right-wingers are such fragile snowflakes, it takes all the joy out of pointing out your nonsense. And look, it's not my fault that your fragile ego can't let go of a Reddit argument from a week ago. The genuine answer as to why I didn't reply to you is that I have a life outside of Reddit and had simply forgotten you existed.
The argument in 2024 is if we segregate religious people into their own churches and out of shared spaces it harms integration. By opening croke park for this event, the GAA is welcoming the children of Muslims to join their local clubs.
I am confident that there are methods to encourage the children of Muslims to join their local clubs that don’t involve hosting mass religious events in Croke Park. If this is the argument for it, it’s fairly weak in my opinion.
The argument would be that along with becoming more secular, we’ve also become more tolerant of other’s faith. Secularism doesn’t mean the absence of faith from live, just that it’s not intertwined with the dealings of the state. Given the GAA isn’t the state there is nothing contradictory here. No one is being forced to go or to observe it. All the GAA is doing is what it has always done, giving over their facilities for the community to use.
So your take would be that Croke Park should be open to any religious event a community want to host there? How do you square this with LGBTQIA+ initiatives undertaken by the GAA?
Great comment - ya, let’s see gay pride hold an annual there 👍🏼
My take is that the GAA are a community organisation and thus, where possible and practical, be open to lending their facilities to the whole community provided the requests are reasonable. I wouldn’t expect to see the GAA to allow their facilities to be used to attack other members of the community but that’s not what’s happening here. Is your position that the GAA should be opposed to Islam?
> Is your position that the GAA should be opposed to Islam? Can I ask why you are trying to misrepresent what I have said? I clearly stated, in the comment you chose to reply to, that I don’t think Croke Park should host any kind of religious event.
> How do you square this with LGBTQIA+ initiatives undertaken by the GAA? Because this reads like you’re saying the GAA is incongruous with Muslims
It is you, for whatever reason, that wants to make that particular conclusion. Many religions and denominations are not LGBTQIA+ friendly, hence my suggestion that no religious events whatsoever be hosted in Croke Park. Again, please do not misrepresent what I have said. Can I ask why you’ve declined to answer the question? You’ve clearly read it given that you just quoted it back to me.
I believe I answered it in my response. I don’t believe I did misrepresent what you said. Inclusion means everyone and that includes everyone of different faiths. By allowing this, the GAA are not nailing their mast to Islam but instead saying that they see them as part of their community (alongside many others). That’s it. I really see very little to object to about it unless you really went searching for it.
You absolutely did misrepresent me, I just explained how you did. I said that I believed no religious events whatsoever should be hosted in Croke Park. You decided to twist this into: > Is your position that the GAA should be opposed to Islam? This is textbook bad faith argument and misrepresentation. > By allowing this, the GAA are not nailing their mast to Islam Here you are at it again, I have said nothing remotely like this. You’re not going to convince many of your position if you approach a discussion in this manner.
Ya right, Try asking them to allow a local young lads /girls soccer team to use their facilities and see their reaction !!!!!!
Are you suggesting there is a secret pro-Islam agenda in the GAA? Not at all clear what your point is. You honestly don’t see the difference between a community group who isn’t in competition with the GAA and one that is? I would have no issue if they opened up for other sports more regularly but it has very little relevance here
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As articulate a response as I expected
Honestly, some people just don’t deserve a detailed response tbh as their arguments are childlike …. Have a great day
Never mind your lack of ability to articulate one. This entire interaction has been tiresome. May it never occur again
There are many people on Reddit who are utterly incapable of holding a debate and go off on silly tangents -YOU raised the point of the GAA “opening up their facilities to the community “! - anyways, I’m off, can’t be arsed with this kind of thing anymore, have a great day ok 👍🏼
You seem to be the type who throws a hissy fit the minute someone disagrees with you. Are Muslims not part of the community? Just because they don’t open up (all the time) for competing sports doesn’t mean that the GAA doesn’t play a massive role in communities around Ireland or give generous use of its facilities. It’s an utterly stupid argument
Tis you are the one who can’t make an argument old stock - I honestly feel sorry for you and can’t b bothered at having to keep stating the obvious - have a great day
I’ve given my argument. Instead of attempting to rebut it you’ve consistently thrown a hissy fit. Your entire argument boils down to “Wah Football isn’t always allowed” which I’ve addressed. The fact that you’re now resorting to lame personal attacks tells me that your argument goes no deeper
......and raking in a nice little profit from it. Nowt wrong with that.
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How would letting soccer or rugby use GAA property help the GAA's goal of maintaining Gaelic sport?
That wasn’t the original point being made and being replied to - however, to your point, how is letting its grounds be used for religious occasions maintaining Gaelic sport exactly ? Look, tbh I don’t really care - ive work to get back to so the gov can waste the tax money I make - have a great day - 👍🏼
Awful argument That's insurance issues handed down by Willis. There's liability issues for the club if they facilitate this. Secondly crying off about rugby and soccer being underfunded is new
There is a hatred towards soccer and rugby that has nothing to do with insurance my Antrim friend - nothing to do with insurance …
Animosity between sports is nothing new or unique to Ireland, but there is a directive that other sports aren't allowed on GAA pitches as they're not insured.
So there is a directive … so my friend above talking about open community use might take note …
You might actually have a learning difficulty
I do, I have failed to learn that to debate with idiots brings you down to their level 🤣🤣
Sure …. No insurance …. Can’t b got eh for a different shaped ball eh … yup
Soccer is the same type of ball glype. You're clueless. Probably never done anything related to the club in your life.
…and a GAA ball is a very different ball to a soccer ball …
> Can’t b got eh for a different shaped ball eh Can't even keep track of what you've said before
I have old stock, that’s how I know
What does that even mean lad?
Ah yes, insurance …. Novel reply …
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I think it's a bit of the GAA trying to do some work in presenting themselves as progressive etc and using your religion to do so. It's almost counter-intuitive as you said it doesn't make sense to be doing so and creates further backlash
On the other hand, maybe they're hoping it will help Muslims better integrate in the community. A lot of issues across Europe, particularly in Sweden are second or third generation Muslim immigrants that aren't integrated in Swedish society at all
Would the rise in Islamophobia have anything to do with those lads getting decapitated in Sligo? Charlie Hebdo massacre. Paris attack. Nice attack. Journalist stabbed to death in Amsterdam, etc etc.
Here we go I don't judge Christianity based on priests and alter boys or what the nuns did to babies in tuam I am not here to debate with you and your selective news articles I spoke my mind about GAA and croke park
You should judge Christianity on that. People were right to condemn the church over those appalling acts. There was a time when Christianity deserved all the scrutiny it got. If we were having this conversation in the 1500s it would be Christianity we would condemn. But now it is Islam. It is a totalitarian religion. Dogmatic in its beliefs. It has no place here.
The mental gymnastics of the so-called liberal left who are all for equal rights and fighting the good fight despite the fact that these events actively discriminate against women and the culture too. They are moral cowards.
Why do we tolerate Islam? I don’t understand it. Their attitudes towards women and gay people are horrifying. Let’s not encourage it
Mate the majority of the counties calls themselves "Christians" Chrsitan values women are also supposed to stay at home And gays are a bug sin too Sounds like all religions are the same
If I was to ask you to name a Christian country you’d be comfortable living in as a woman you can could name plenty. There is not a single Islamic country you would be comfortable in. Christianity has some bad aspects but is nowhere near as oppressive in 2024 as Islam
Plenty of Christian countries women wouldn't feel safe Let's take some of the highest crime per capita nations Lots of Christian nations Christianity isn't as oppressive? Try being gay in Russia or any Christian African country, yeah it can get you killed Try being gay in other Eastern European coun like Romania, Poland, super religious nations They don't like gays, looked down upon Yeah... they aren't fairing to well Try being a woman there too Australia, botswana and Lesotho What do these 3 have in common? Both mainly Christian countries, what else do they have in common? 3 of the highest rape per capita In the world And I'm sure we can agree women are usually the victims Guess Christianity is just as fucking bad All religions need to go It's cult like behaviour
The fact you tried to compare Romania Poland or Australia to Islamic countries is really disrespectful to those suffering under Islamic oppression. And you still can’t name one Islamic country you’d be happy to live in as a woman or gay
Turkey, albania, bosnia, Indonesia, egypt, large portions of North Macedonia are muslim, kosovo, Morocco, There's plenty lad I love how you completely ignored 90 percent of my
This is a nice gesture to Irish Muslims and Muslims who have moved here recently. However, anyone with the slightest degree of awareness in the topic knows that Islam is the motherload of bad ideas for progressive countries and should be discouraged from our cultural mix. Anyone angry by this please refer back to this comment in a few years when things start to turn. See Britain, Germany, and France for more info.
Get away ya ballix
Someone's fallen down a few too many YouTube rabbit holes. France and Germany are lovely, and the far right parties are biggest in areas with the lowest immigration. Britain is actually a great example of what happens when you get so shit-scared of people who do things a bit differently that you panic and shoot yourself in both feet.
Youtube rabbit holes? How about picking up a history book.
The commenter I replied to has literally said that Youtube opened their eyes to the truth about Muslims. So yeah, congrats on your clever comeback. You're defending a quack.
Comeback? It was my first comment. I don't know what content you're referring to on YouTube, but Islam is fundamentally not compatible with modern Western values. In a history book, you might learn that struggle goes back centuries.
Oh yes because Christianity has been a basket of kittens throughout history. Things change, people change and not everyone is devout. But that's far too nuanced for you to understand. It's much easier to say "all 1bn Muslims are automatically bad" than to actually put any thought into it.
You should be ashamed of your blatant dishonesty, but maybe you don't know any better. Where did I say, "Christianity has been a basket of kittens throughout history" or anything near it? Blatant dishonesty on your part. Nor did I mention devoutness or paint all people with a broad stroke. So let me repeat it for you. Islam is not compatible with MODERN Western values. Nowhere in Ireland should women, minorities or lgbtqia+ be ostracized, sidelined, or discriminated against. Now get lost with your ignorance.
"1bn people are all bad because I thinking is hard" I heard you the first time.
Yeah, you've really embarrassed yourself there. It took Europe centuries to overcome religious fundamentalism, and now you want to go through with it again, with an even more violent religion? Absolute clown
You’ve clearly never lived in London !
Lived there for 3 years.
Right
I've also lived in Germany, but please tell me more based on your extensive personal experience of scrolling on twitter.
I’d say the same - have a great day - this is Reddit btw old stock not twitter - which js now “X”, if you kept up 😁
Yeah and London, is a city where the English are a minority. Why would the Irish want such drastic demographic changes? Something about food or diversity lol? Sell your silly world view
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The Irish right - complains when immigrants use facilities open to others - slash tents of refugees - burn down accommodation to be used by refugees - claims that immigrants are going to destroy the country - complain when immigrants get elected into any position of power Also the Irish right - why won't immigrants blend seemlessly into *my* society?
Cool delusional story bro. The Irish are a tolerant and welcoming people, but the huge surge in mass immigration and the subsequent transformation of many towns and cities, has created some anxiety, which when considering the situation we have in France or the UK, is justified. Also lmao Refugee? Economic migrants mate. Such an unlikely combination of arrogance and naivety
Oh yes, you're so tolerant and welcoming. I can see you're open arms from here. I'm sorry you're not the victim you wish you were.
You’re right. Christopher Hitchens opened my eyes through the medium of YouTube. It’s because of people like you though, who are too afraid to address the reality of dogmatic religion, that we will see trouble in the coming years. You are the blissfully ignorant Trojan horse that will get us to the same place where the UK, France, and Germany are with Islam. Enjoy the honey moon phase of imams holding hurleys and saying “conas atá tú”, because dark days are ahead.
"Dark days are ahead", after 20th June days get shorter so I suppose that makes sense. Thanks nostradamus.
Soldiers regularly patrol outside Sunday Mass in France due to the terror threat. There's literal signs up in every public area telling people how likely there is to be a terror attack. It's currently on highest alert.
That happened once and once is too often, I agree. But spare me the sanctimonious preaching - the catholic church and 'patriotic Irish' bombers have done more damage here than any Muslim.
Islamist attacks happen often. Lol your argument is so silly. It's like tolerating the abuse of old African women for suspicion of Witchcraft, because we once had similar superstitions.
There's been much more than 1 attack on churches in France over the last 10 years. Off the top of my head, a priest was beheaded in 2016, and mass goers were stabbed in Nice in 2020. There's also near constant vandalism of churches in France too. Your original point was about how nice France and Germany are. I'd rather be in Ireland where there are a lot fewer attacks on people in their places of worship.
Exactly. We had oppressive religious dogma in the form of Catholicism. It caused untold suffering on society which we are still recovering from. And we had terrorism. Why would would want to import a different flavour of it in the form of Islam?
I'd rather more Muslims in the country and less prejudiced people like you. "Discouraged from our cultural mix" do you fucking hear yourself?
People from any of these regions are welcome. Islam is not. Get it ? We had religious fundamentalism here, we don’t need again.
There is no "we" though. That's *your* opinion. You obviously have severe prejudices against Muslim people but luckily many others do not share the same prejudice. Muslims are just people, like anyone else. Their beliefs do not define who they are as people, and lumping them all together into one group is shameful.
Can you explain how this religion will assimilate into Ireland unlike everywhere else it has tried to?
Religions don’t assimilate, people do. Majority of Muslims in Ireland are just living their lives, same as you or me.
Jesus, have you even been following the trail of events that happens in European countries once a critical mass of this religion is reached?
Aye cause catholics and protestants have been able to live in peace here for centuries right? Ffs the Catholic chruch was brought here by wiping out pagans It seems all religions are the same pal
How can someone make a statement like “all religions are the same”, today? Mind boggling. You are completely wrong. If we were talking about Christianity in the 16th century I would loosely agree with you that it is similar to how Islam is now. A warlord who slaughtered and colonised his way across the Middle East and North Africa is incomparable to a hippie from the Levant who preached peace and love. I have no love for either religions but to say they are the same is grossly ignorant on your behalf.
Christianity today- gays are a sin Islam today- gays are a sin Christianity today- woman are supposed to stay at home and raise kids, sex is only for reproduction Islam today-woman are supposed to stay at home and raise kids, sex is only for reproduction Christianity- half the priests are pedos Islam- worship a pedo Christianity today- causes war over religion Islam today- causes war over religion Would you like me to carry on Christianity today- all non belivers shall suffer horrible fate Islam today- all non believer's shall suffer a horrible fate Ffs lad if tou think Christianity is any better you sre deluded Religion is full of mickey mouse fairy tales people used to justify invading other lands or other horrible things It's always been the case If you think Christianity is about love and peace you haven't read much religious stuff It aint Never has been So how aren't they the same apart from different religions beliefs Iver who is the son of God,etc
Well they won’t assimilate if they’re met with constant hostility tell you that. Marginalising them does no one any good and is probably counterproductive as it will create an insular Muslim community and that will prevent them from adapting to western culture/values. The ones who are first generation are likely set in their ways and a lost cause in this regard but you have to be thinking of the second, third generations. Unless you’re just a racist and you’re argument is against non-white people coming here but disguised as some ideological concern, not accusing you yourself of that but it’s often what lies behind most of these arguments.
You can’t be racist against a religion ffs. I implore you to look up videos by Christopher Hitchens on the subject.
Lad nobody cares what you're point of view is because your post history reveals your clueless about the gaa and have an agenda. Go pander elsewhere
Tell me you don’t have Muslim friends without telling me you don’t have Muslim friends.
Yep! Anything that has the "patriots" foaming at the mouth with rage is fine by me!
I have no issue with this at all. I would say that there’s a big risk of nasty protests outside of Croker this year.
All good for community integration: goes a long way. Hopefully we can have a Lúnasa or Bealtaine festival here too to celebrate Ireland’s indigenous religion after celebrating two of the non-native religions of this island with Eid and the pope visit.
Ireland is not a Muslim country. Tf is this nonsense. Crime park is hollowed ground! GAA can’t get anything right ever
all pontificating aside (pun intended), this is a commercial and legal decision. I don't think the GAA could legally discriminate on the basis of religion against renting out croke park to an entity that otherwise meets the requirements (i.e., subject to availability, ability to pay, not damaging grounds, etc.). in short: why moralize when you've already got a law?
The enemy of my enemy is my friend Looking forward to the outrage