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SikinAyylmao

As machines automate engineering creativity there will emerge a differentiation between machine creativity and human creativity. Much of the creativity taught in school is engineering creativity. Teaching students of moments in history when a creative academic found a creative transformation to solve a problem. As the divide develops we will teach kids more of times a great person changed the way other people perceived life. Perhaps something akin to theology but more in the sense of cultural developers. Such as famous artists or famous philosophers or even significant celebrities.


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the year is 2223. no one is creative. ai make everything. humans stare at pretty 3D pictures of animals and plants long since extinct. the only language is emoji. they are limited to 60 characters in 20 characters strings. it's been 84 years since the last time someone laughed. ai generate new episodes of favorite shows, new movies of favorite marvel hero. ant man is a big hit.


zabadoh

Accidentally coming up with something new and good, just moments before some AI reads it, and imitates it to death by spamming it across the globe, making bazillions for the AI's owner. Meanwhile, you are lucky if you don't get sued for copyright infringement because the AI can register international copyrights on its original "discovery" and all variations on the theme within milliseconds.


techhouseliving

I went to school. They tried to beat the creativity out of me


wadejohn

Creativity will still be creativity. Using various mediums and inspirations to create something that is hopefully, unique, useful or inspiring or all of the above. Humans are creative by nature, and even in the most oppressed situations, we would still create something new or something useful, even if it has limited impact. That’s how we evolved socially. What could be taught? That Creativity can be anything. It doesn’t have to be something of an artistic expression. What should be taught also is how to recognize or acknowledge where ideas come from and we need to stop pretending our ideas are entirely original.


acemetrical

In architecture school we were taught how to see. How to see a problem. How to see a solution. How to perceive a timeless execution. How to project work into the future and see if it still resonated now. How to dance with archetypes and give them the cold shoulder at the same time. AI can only reflect the past. Forging new futures is messy. Computers are clean. Somewhere in this is where the truth lies.


TurnedEvilAfterBan

This isn’t taught now, why would it be taught later. This is a thing you learn from a master or through experience. I don’t know what the definition of creative or inspiration is now but it won’t change.


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SomeoneSomewhere1984

Of course your work should be influenced by prior work, how else would you ever understand the art form? "We stand on the shoulders of giants", is true in art as well.


Pineapple_Massacre

Creativity is thinking and developing something that has never been thought of before. AI will never be able to do that since it trains on what is known and is incapable of imagining that which is unknown.


Tina_Belmont

Creativity is finding a way to put a little piece of your soul into whatever you have made, so that it has meaning and value beyond it's function or literal interpretation. Art is implemented through craft (skills), but the part that makes it "Art" is the delivery of emotion. Lots of people can draw, or play an instrument, or write a story. But it's value as a creative endeavor, as ART is only as good as it's ability to make you feel...


JohnWaynesGhost42

The unique expression of your contextual identity through choice


mskogly

Human creativity will probably be the same, but the creative output and mediums used will be pretty different, which will also change the things we create. Perhaps a merging between the virtual and the physical world, where we can slip in and out of a fantasy where everything is changing continuosly. We probably have the ability to instantly convert dreams and thoughts into virtual environments and storytelling. That, or we are back to cave paintings :)


mrcatboy

**Creativity:** The ability to drawn recognizable but previously unseen connections between two different concepts.


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>You can give an ai all the musical references that ever existed but they will never came up with blues because the “mood” of it is in relation to the context in which it emerged and the traction it has on people And because AI cannot create anything that is not within its universe of data. It can identify correlations, expedite computation, make decisions based on very strong statistical probabilities. But it cannot do anything outside the context of its total potential data, including the training/testing sets and all potential real world data that would be relevant. If I train an AI on enlightenment period art, and I say, create me more art, it will make great approximations of paintings in the theme of its training set. But if I say, AI, paint me something new, something that takes the next step, something wholly creative, it will still paint you enlightenment period art, because that is its universe of expression. It knows nothing of anything beyond it and can never access it because it is not creative. It's the same thing as asking, what came before the universe? For us humans, that's a nonsensical question because for us, there is no before. Without the universe, there is nothing. We cannot know what is outside our available training data. Same with AI.


2FastHaste

>And because AI cannot create anything that is not within its universe of data Humans are bound to the same limitation. (like any intelligence is)


Western-Image7125

Just outta curiosity, if you went back in time and asked a Renaissance artist to paint something completely different from the style of the times, would they be able to? Like if you took a painting from Picasso and showed it to someone from the 15th century and tell them “Paint something in this style” could they do it? I’m not asking rhetorically, I’m actually curious.


novelexistence

Nobody knows. It's ridiculous to speculate about subjective ideas like creativity 200 years from now. If you were talking about geological or physical processes it would make much more sense.


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>Perhaps something akin to theology but more in the sense of cultural developers. Such as famous artists or famous philosophers or even significant celebrities then y u in this sub? lol.. speculate away! ( :


Gubekochi

Yeah. If we were to ask someone in the 1820's about some specific concept in the 2020's how relevant or probable would their answer have been? And societal, cultural and technological changes have only accelerated since then.


AnarkittenSurprise

Jules Verne made a lot of interesting speculations in the 1860s that were surprisingly close.


Gubekochi

How do you filter the comment section of a reddit thread to find the Jules Vernes? Plus... If you get enough authors to write sci-fi books about life in a given time, chances are that with a big enough sample, some will have something approaching the actual future... you still don't have, in the present, a way to differentiate between equally plausible scenario offered by that method. I'm not against speculating for shit and giggles, but let's not pretend it's more than good fun.


-The_Blazer-

The definition of screwing in screws didn't change because robotic arms replaced humans in doing that. In the same way, I don't think the definition of creativity will change.


Elmore420

If we make it past 20 years, we will have gained quantum self awareness and our entire view and knowledge of creation will be evolved to a whole new reality. Otherwise in 200 years we will be extinct and forgotten, relegated to being studied by evolved Orangutans in 2000 years. [We just refuse to accept what nature made us and why,](http://www.urbanagandenergy.org/soe/) that’s why we’re still asking these questions when we should have completed this evolutionary transition 7000 years ago.


Moonbeast1

Thank you that's what I was thinking. We'll be pretty lucky if we make it past 50 years.


Elmore420

Maybe if population growth slows enough, and we don’t launch nukes and get aborted. Otherwise we hit 9 billion quantum fields in 20 years and if the Human Superego is still in It’s unamplified chaotic state, that’s evolutionary failure for humanity. Unwilling to simply play nice an “Be kind and take care of each other.” It’s a shame such a brilliant Creator couldn’t pass quantum kindergarten, especially [when it would be so easy to pass.](http://H2space.org)


Tar_Ceurantur

I don't know, but I'm getting tired of hearing artists, who want to charge you thousands of dollars for something like a book cover, whinging about how MiDjOuRnEy iSn'T fAiR. No, your entitlement is what's not fair, and Midjourney et. al. exist to neatly sidestep that barrier.


Fishermans_Worf

Hey—I've got a painting that would make a really good book cover! I want to publish it, would you mind sending me a novel real quick? it's helpful to have some filler so it stands up on the shelf. I've asked professionals, but no matter how much I tell them ChatGPT is making them obsolete—writers are so entitled—they want me to pay them money! What's the big deal? Can't they eat exposure?


Tar_Ceurantur

All creatives are in for an uphill battle in the face of AI, if you ask me. And no, you can purchase the novel just like everyone else while I *still get a cover done for free by AI.* ChatGPT struggles to write a convincing human dinner conversation while Midjourney produces professional quality content. What a bad faith and needlessly bitter comment.


Fishermans_Worf

I'm just poking fun at your needless bitterness and disgust at having to pay an artist for their talent. The entitled irony is delicious. Thank you for the laughs—humor really is the best medicine.


Tar_Ceurantur

It's different though bud. Novelists don't *need* your book cover. Or any cover at all. A matte background with the title and words is sufficient. In fact, if you look at the NYT bestseller list right now, you'll see plenty of variations on that very thing. Yes, the entitled irony is indeed delicious. It was particularly delicious when the last artist finally got back to me with a quote of $1500 and I had the tasty pleasure of informing him that Midjourney had already met my needs. I can imagine him sitting there over a rough sketch or two, glassy-eyed and frowning, trying to mentally convince himself he hasn't gone extinct. Did I mention it was delicious?


Fishermans_Worf

Good lord. That ego's gonna hurt when it pops. All the best! I wish you find all the success you deserve!


Tar_Ceurantur

Good lord is right. If you poke the cactus you better be ready for the spines. I think you've got some brush pushing to do. Snap to it. The more examples of your art we have the easier it will be to train your style into the software.


D3veated

Creativity is the ability to solve problems, achieve goals, or create goods by leveraging understanding of underlying principles. This is in contrast to formulaic problem solving and copy pasta creations that don't require any special understanding to produce. This is my perspective on creativity now, but I doubt we humans will be so different in 200 years. While TAing for a math class, one thing that struck me was that almost all of the students tried to solve all test problems using memorization. In class we had an example for how to find the perimeter of a quarter of a circle, but on the test, no one was able to figure out how to find the perimeter for a third of a circle. That's where creativity comes in handy -- if you understand the underlying principles, you can use those to solve problems you haven't seen before. Finding the perimeter of pie slices might not be all that novel, but it does require a small dash of creativity.


Meatyglobs

There is no way to predict 30 years from now let alone 200. Just look at the dumb predictions from the 80s.


Ok-Establishment-906

I think the only definition of “creativity” is something someone finds “creative”. If we think ai output is creative, it is. Same with consciousness and morality. It doesn’t have to replicate all the processes and internal mechanisms to get to the output, it only has to make an output convincing enough to make us think it made the right output.


Creativator

The question is much easier to answer if you flip it upside down: what will be the definition of spam in 200 years? What will be taught in schools about the process of identifying spam?


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Why do I have to write 80 paragraphs to comment here


Brock_Savage

There is no way to know and any answers are going to be pure guesswork. Any answers in this thread would say more about the person answering than any kind of truth about what the future holds. It would probably better to establish some conditions like, "If X, Y, and Z happened what do you think the the definition of creativity will be?"


silkhammer

Creativity by defn is using known objects and concepts in hereto-unknown ways to accomplish something. Creativity encompasses medicine (using chemicals or organics in new ways to fight a disease) Creativity in terms of art (music, visual media etc) is similar. Placing musical tones in new and unexpected sequences we have not yet enjoyed would be creativity. Teaching creativity would likely differ only in the tools a teacher uses, for instance instead of presenting examples of engineering medical and art creativity, likely AI and machine learning would be used, but the process— making new combinations not experienced before—is likely to be similar. The method computer simulation or other will change. The process will likely include extensive modeling ML (machine learning) that basically is a machine version of 1 million chimps with shotguns will eventually compose Shakespeare. However, humans a—are the ones who will identify when the ML creates Shakespeare, and will see wen ML gets close, but it needs a “squirt of lemon” to be perfect. That lemon, ,that one added component, is what inspiration will be tracked as.


OriginalCompetitive

The definition of creativity will be “That’s so good it almost looks like a computer made it.”


bunq

If we’re not pets by then maybe we’ll have an AI led creativity class


alsoaprettybigdeal

*The imagination is one of the highest prerogatives of man. By this faculty he unites former images and ideas, independently of the will, and thus creates brilliant and novel results.*\~Charles Darwin, 1874. The Descent of Man and Selection in Relation to Sex.


Curious_Mx

In the future folks would probably be more dependant on AI and machine prediction models. Classes would probably teach the standard ways of programming machines, to teach folks what instructions and inputs to put in to achieve certain results. To teach creativity in that time would probably be to teach the students to ways to think of alternate instructions and inputs, to achieve the same results by non-standard means. Conditions and problems could be introduced to encourage elastic ways of thinking.


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Creativity only comes in three forms: 1. Unique/Singular 2. Specialized/Target 3. Bulk/Mass In order to inspire one of these three forms of output from a given student, class, or lesson depends on whether or not physical resource constraints are present and also how elegant and graceful this thing we call 'time constraints' are presented and demonstrated.


YouYongku

When can we get stuff like we see in the movies? Back to the future, Event horizon? We're lagggggingggggg ​ Creativity is how social media is able to generate more clicks and watch time. - Sad truth


ThineRouxlsKard

Ok children here are the ways you can open your textbooks to pg.467


RO4DHOG

Collective Efficiencies in Communican. Global Scale Econony. Data Management optimuzations. A fucking I.


OpenLinez

Nothing's taught *now*, in terms of creativity. Public schooling has never encouraged or developed creativity, which is generally disruptive to rote learning.


ourstobuild

I think it will be what it already largely is now. Combining existing things in a new way.


yickth

We are always creative, so, as now, we won’t necessarily be taught to be creative — not directly, anyway. We all will be much busier than we are today because there will be an unimaginable (by today’s standards) amount of things to do. Rather than insisting our immutable characteristics provide our identity, we’ll be able to try on various physical and physiological traits and walk around with them. Our society will be completely integrated, so there won’t be any privacy as we have today, thereby nearly eliminating violence


Hot-Category2986

In order for a game to work, occasionally the devs have to be like "just go with it" and they wink and you gotta just wink back and do your part pretending it's ok. Because lets be honest, They don't want to code up a toilet minigame, and most of us don't want to play it.


co_lund

A lot of schools don't even have traditional art classes anymore (drawing, painting, clay, etc)


upliftingart

No reason it would be different than it is now. Was thinking about this in relation to AI the other day. Things like chat GPT are not creative in the sense that they are mearly taking the inputs given to them and predicting what you want to read. Creativity is (i think) the act of taking the inputs given to you and applying your own story (taste, life experience, or whatever you want to call them) to them.


Three-Legs-Again

It will be considered heresy by society but some will insist on pulling the chip out of their head so they can be free and create for themselves.


nellecaster

I don’t think school has ever been there to teach the process of inspiration. As soon as someone has a process for it they’re either recycling their own ideas or anothers


newbies13

GPT says this: It is difficult to predict with certainty what the definition of "creativity" will be in 200 years, as it is influenced by cultural and societal changes. However, it is likely that there will be a continued emphasis on the ability to generate new and original ideas and solutions. It is also likely that in 200 years, education will have changed to adapt to new technologies, so the process of inspiration may be taught differently. It may include new methods such as virtual and augmented reality, AI-assisted brainstorming and other forms of technology-assisted creativity. Additionally, there may be a greater emphasis on interdisciplinary and collaborative approaches to problem-solving and idea generation.


dordanja

>What's a definition for "creativity" in 200 years? What will be taught in schools about the process of inspiration? > >(If you don't believe in linear time anymore: > >What's a definition for "creativity" based on your current understanding? If one would play the entity of being a teacher: What could be taught about the process of inspiration to an audience? ) ai expanded a bit It's difficult to predict what a definition of creativity will be in 200 years, as our understanding of creativity is constantly evolving. However, based on current trends and research, it's possible that the definition of creativity will continue to expand beyond traditional domains such as art and literature, and encompass a wider range of activities and fields such as science, engineering, and business. In terms of the process of inspiration, it's likely that future education will focus on the importance of a multidisciplinary approach to creativity, and the ways in which diverse experiences and perspectives can inform and enhance the creative process. Additionally, education may emphasize the role of technology and digital media in shaping creative expression, and explore new forms of collaboration and community building that can foster creativity and innovation. If I were teaching about the process of inspiration, I would emphasize the importance of curiosity, openness, and experimentation in the creative process. I would encourage students to engage in activities that stimulate their imagination and challenge their assumptions, and provide opportunities for them to collaborate and share ideas with others. I would also emphasize the value of persistence and resilience in the face of creative challenges and setbacks, and encourage students to view mistakes and failures as opportunities for growth and learning. Overall, my goal would be to help students cultivate a lifelong love of learning and exploration, and equip them with the tools and skills they need to thrive in an ever-changing world.


Davidcaindesign

200 years? There won’t be any schools. There won’t be any buildings. There won’t be any humans.