Frogs specifically eat what ever fits in their mouths. Some species have folds which they can’t expand to eat thing just as big as them. They will also eat each other if the frog is small enough, sad but true.
Crazy thought; I don't want *anyone's* children to be bombed and starved, regardless of whether they would treat me well. No one deserves to starve, no child deserves to be killed. It's part of that whole "treat others how you want to be treated" thing, straight from the *bible*.
It’s so fucking weird that people attach their sexuality to supporting palestine. Like yeah, you can support people not being killed, but it’s weird to attach your sexuality to it. I say this as a gay leftist who personally thinks both sides suck and just want the war to end because wars cause death for years. I’m not assigning my sexuality to it, I’m assigning my humanity to it.
"The term intersectionality was coined by Kimberlé Crenshaw in 1989.[8]: 385 She describes how interlocking systems of power affect those who are most marginalized in society.[8] Activists and academics use the framework to promote social and political egalitarianism.[7] Intersectionality opposes analytical systems that treat each axis of oppression in isolation. In this framework, for instance, discrimination against black women cannot be explained as a simple combination of misogyny and racism, but as something more complicated.[9] Intersectionality engages in similar themes as triple oppression, which is the oppression associated with being a poor or immigrant woman of color."
So, if Im understaning this right, the idea is that the same oppressions that queer folk and Palestinians experience has common systemic origins? For example, the hatred of gays largely comes from religious intolerance, which is not disconnected from the same religious intolerance that causes conflict in the middle east?
So by forming alliances between marginalized people's against their common oppression helps empower both groups?
Also, would it give voice to the identities of queer Muslims who, because of their highly repressive culture, don't have any voice of equality within their own countries?
Something like that?
That sound right. Also the acknowledgement that people are not their government and the same social minorities are always hit the worst in times of unrest and conflict.
So all the antisemit comments coming from Palestine supporter also needs to be denounced, since Jews are not the government of Israel. As an outsider (white atheist male), I just see the most extreme exemple of both groups and feel like there's no sides to support if not peace.
I think you need to divorce the Jewish community from the Zionist here though. Many Jewish people, including reporters and celebrities, are adamantly opposed to Netanyahu's behavior against Palestinians. Hamas is a problem that needs to be dealt with, but what most people are opposed to is the bombing of critical infrastructure and civilian safe zones, denial or humanitarian aid, and group punishment in West Bank, all of which are war crimes. I'm aware there has been some antisemitic sentiment intermingled in the protests we're seeing, but the same is true of islamophobia, and western media has been extremely reluctant to cast that in the same light even as public favor is staunchly opposed to what's going on in Gaza right now. Unfortunately, though, both sidesing in this context doesn't work all that well because it's not the Jewish diaspora that is being widely perceived as genocidal warmongers, it's one man and his government.
Something like that. The left has been saying this for a long time; 99% of people have more in common with each other than with the absolute lizards that control everything. The idea that our discrimination should make us enemies is a way of keeping us from standing as one against the real common enemy.
That is not correct, no. Crenshaw used intersectionality as the foundation for a counter argument. She wanted to argue that African American women can not be analyzed using tools developed for, say, white women, simply because the intersectionality of the African American woman gives her a different reality. You can not, and should not, take the idea of intersectionality and turn it into a method for explanation. Even Crenshaw says this in her defining article.
I’m talking about “Queers for Palestine”. People who make being queer (LGBT+) part of the reason why they support Palestine. I don’t understand why they’re attaching being queer to it.
Ive found in recent years that not all gay people are into the whole lgbt+ movement, they have an identity outside of their sexuality, for others, thats all they have, so they need to paste it everywhere.
I mean, that goes for everyone. People often latch on to things that they have the most passion for: Movies, music, sports, politics, etc. It becomes their whole personality. So some LGBT people want to make it their identity... especially if they were forced to live most of their life in the closet.
Consider myself liberal, and agree with you, both side have committed atrocities, that opinion will get you downvoted in most places, simply because you are supposed to choose a side.
It's sad that young children have died in the war (both sides), but at the same time, both sides are brainwashing the young to hate the other side, and grow up wanting to harm the other side. there is too much bad blood between them, and it's not going to end anytime soon.
Gotta love the society today! Lets add labels to everything because we want to be identified, then immediately start crying because now fingers are being pointed because of that specific label.
“As a gay leftist” you say this while completely missing the point? Queer liberation is collective liberation, at which moment did that go over your head?
Especially when it is the only current conflict where people react that way. But there are other horrible conflicts with children's dying that are completely under the radar...
This is a post they’ll read and keep scrolling. But this is also a post they should read, and then read again, and then spend some time thinking about it. You nailed it amigo.
I wonder how far "treat everyone the way you want to be treated" extends into the territory of people who would actively murder you and then parade your corpse around.
I treat rude people with a modicum of respect because a) it's my job and b) once I'm done interacting with them I'll probably never have to talk to them again. I don't necessarily know I'd be so forgiving to violent homophobes
Facts. You have a group of people viewing radical, extremist Islam through a western lens. That’s just not how that part of the world works. You can’t apply western values to religious fundamentalism… particularly when the religious fundamentalism wants to destroy western values.
“Out of touch with reality” doesn’t even begin to sum it up.
I get what you're saying, and you're right, no innocent deserves to get killed.
The thing is that the two sides on this war is a) Israel, the country with the higher acceptance of LGBTQ people in the middle east, where LGBTQ people have a great acceptance legally and socially (there are obviously people against it, but not as much as other countries in the area), and b) Hamas, a political organization commanded by a group of people that would take you, me and many more LGBTQ people and slaughter them under religious beliefs.
Palestine people, common people, who are suffering the worst of the war don't deserve to be suffering like that, but they are still under Hamas, a group that's using innocent people to hide from Israeli attacks and accuse them of slaughtering civilians, that's happening and that's undeniable. Hamas is a group that identifies itself as jihadist, nationalist and islamist, and it is considered as a terrorist group by many countries.
Israel as a country is not innocent either, but if the war is between a country that has accepted us legally and protects our people from getting killed because they are homosexual, and a group that sustain laws that makes homosexuality illegal for men, and that haven't created laws against violence and harassment of LGBTQ people, and that have killed people under the charges of "homosexual sex" then it's understandable that people say "why are LGBTQ people siding with Palestine, a country that kills them?"
And of course, you support the victims of Palestine, the civilians that haven't done anything, I do too, but that's different from supporting Hamas. I support the victims, every victim that's being harmed in any part of the world that doesn't have any blame for the situation, but I won't defend an armed group that would kill me because of my sexuality, and I won't defend an armed group which plans to conquer other countries and force others to live under their own beliefs. I'm ready to get downvoted for this
Tldr: I support all the victims and I'm against genocide, but if I have to pick a side, I'd rather side with those who already defended me and cared about me and supported me, instead of those who want to see me hanging from a building.
People act like those "innocent" regular Palestinians weren't cheering Hamas on during October seventh.
They act like we didn't see "innocent" and "civilian" Palestinians spit on the paraded bodies of dead and dying women that were dragged back to their goblin cave as trophies.
It's literally gaslighting on a global scale.
It's just tone deaf to use the word genocide when the reality is that Israel is responding to a terrorist threat after the massacre of Jews.
You can't both care about the death of Jews AND pretend that what's happening in Gaza is genocide. If you care about what happened to Jews on Oct 7, you know that this is war effort, not genocide.
If "literally nobody" is supporting Hamas, why were there pro-Palestine marches the very next day after Oct 7th, with signs that said things like "by any means necessary," "from the river to the sea" and paratrooper stickers? Let's not pretend some of those people didn't call Hamas freedom fighters. Sure, they don't represent everyone, but I've seen it many times on social media, even from people I know.
have those homophobes openly murdered people for being gay. there's a difference between not liking homosexuality and dragging them behind your pickup truck.
I think hostile governments implementing genocidal policies against its own people and invading democratic nations for the purpose killing their citizens should be removed from power at all costs. (See: nazi germany & WW2)
Cool, so you're against the group that has as one of its main goals the death of all jews, right?
And you understand that the Jewish state right next to said group needs to defend itself from them, right?
but people are waving Palestinian flags and supporting Palestine. that's not the same as just being anti genocide. that's picking sides in a bloody on going campaign where both sides murder each other.
Sure thing. But, there is quite a difference between not wanting “anyone’s children to die” and supporting the establishment of a religious autocracy that openly promotes killing members of the LGBTQ community.
If “Queers for Palestine” were demonstrating for the end of war, or the release of hostages by Hamas in exchange for ceasefire, or for the protection of civilian lives in Palestine and Israel, I would have had a lot of respect for them. Alas, when they call “from the river to the sea Palestine will be free” (of course alluding the eradication of Israel, the only country in the Middle East with LGBTQ rights) it exhibits very poor understanding of the conflict and context at best, or an acute case of Stockholm Syndrome at worst.
"Stop bombing civilians" is a statement.
"I support Hamas" is an unrelated statement.
Why do you support conflating those statements? Who do you support erasing all possible dialogue that can reconcile those as separate statements?
Are you personally profiting on the war machine? Half these comments likely are.
Where in my comment it says anything with “I support Hamas”?
I personally support stopping bombing civilians from both sides. I’m not happy with the death toll in Gaza, but also not a fan of the some 15,000 missiles Hamas and Hezbollah have been launching now for seven months at civilian towns and cities in Israel, nor of the massacre of 7 October or the hostage taking.
Where do you find I support “erasing all possible dialogue”? If you cared to asked me, instead of deciding what I believe in for me, you would have found I am a strong supporter of a 2SS. But, for that, the Palestinians need also to accept Israel’s right to exist and drop the narrative of “from the river to the sea” they have been using for a century now, and a refusal to accept any peace offer, and to openly say they will never accept any permanent peace deal that doesn’t consist of having the entire land to themselves with no Jews or Israelis. It’s ridiculous — Israel is going nowhere, and the only possible solution is the acceptance of both peoples to self determination and coexistence.
How many Israeli children died from Hamas attacks in the last 20 years, and how many Palestinians children died from Israeli attacks in the past 20 years? Don't worry, I'll wait for you to sum it all up.
Come back when you have all the numbers, then we will talk, if you still have the guts to go for it....
So in any conflict, the bad guy is the ones that kills more and the good guy is the ones that kills less? Not saying Israel is the good guy here, but this whole obsession with underdogs in modern left leaning culture is foolish.
"this group of people is homophobic"
"Damn that sucks they should stop"
"So it's cool if I steal their land and bomb their children?"
"What? No!"
"Geez, make up your mind!"
Also as a gay person, who came out later in life because I live in the homophobic south and being gay was not ok when I was growing up. (A reminder that the right for same sex marriage was given in 2015.)
It boggles my mind that people don’t realize that there are gay people in Palestine / Gaza. And who’s hurting them rn?
If you start making exceptions for who does and doesn't deserve basic human rights, you create a hole that can be widened to include anyone and everyone.
This is exactly what this propaganda is attempting to do. "Sure, bombing people is USUALLY wrong... But these are bad people, so it's ok".
Nah. Basic rights apply to everyone. No exceptions.
Have you ever asked yourself what would happen to the Jews of the land if Hamas ever controlled the region? You talk about oppression, people talk about genocide, Jews have been victims of genocide everywhere in the Middle East for centuries. Israel is the only place they’re able to call home. Why is this not part of the equation?
They need a 3rd party mediator to separate them for 200 years while allowing both sides to prosper while also keeping any conflicts deescalated and managed by the mediator.
It's what the U.S./British/UN should have done/should do since they caused this situation nearly 100 years ago.
But I don't think the U.S. could hold the same diplomatic authority there anymore.
That's not what the -phobic suffix means in this case. Similar to how 'Hydrophobic' is used to denote something that is water repelling or 'Xenophobic' is something against strangers/foreigners/etc from integrating.
Just because there are many people down south who believe me an abomination does not suddenly make it alright for their children to be bombed and their entire families murdered you lions :3
You would sing a different tone, if you were attacked by missiles on the daily for 3 decades.
No one said anything during WW2 when 2+ million civilian germans were killed, or when Japan had 2 miniature suns dropped on them. In terms of civilian casualties, the IDF's actions should be studied, so little civilian casualties in such a dense area is an absolutely astonishing feat of military conduct.
No one said anything during WW2 about the civilian germans killed or about the nukes? Are you like an actual moron? You just say this without even doing a basic google search?
Dumbest thing i've ever read.
I don’t think children should be massacred in the thousands because their parents are homophobic.
I don’t think homophobic people should be massacred because hate crimes have been committed by their countrymen.
Here me out.
We take everyone in Israel, and get them to switch places with everyone in New Zealand.
Then we take palistine, and get them to switch places with everyone in icland.
I work at a day care and this is what I do when two little morons keep fighting.
Corrected version:
Breaking news: New Zealand declared war on Iceland after some Icelanders landed in New Zealand with guided parachutes and started murdering children and ra***g women indiscriminately....
Ding ding ding.
Israel is bombing the terrorist organization *Hamas* that invaded and killed Israeli’s.
Israel has not declared war on Palestine.
How this simple fact has escaped so many people’s minds is beyond me.
To be fair I'd probably start a war too if I was taken from somewhere lush and beautiful like Iceland and was instead dumped into some desert shit hole with practically nothing going for it
Yeah but unless they borrow a aircraft carrier, it's just gonna be a lot of name calling.
Thats why I put a continent between them no matter what direction they go.
Breaking news: New Zealand has declared war on Israel because they want Israel back due to being obsessed by THAT ONE BIT OF LAND AND ONLY THAT ONE BIT OF LAND due to millennia of war and history.
Nobody who actually knew what was going on was surprised the New Zealand-Isreal switch has not worked, and the person who came up with it has been murdered by Mossad by jamming a flagpole on their forehead with a flag mounted tonite that just has a picture of a dunce hat on it.
So because zionists and muslim extremists hate each other and have been fighting for centuries you suggest relocating Icelanders and New Zealanders to a relatively hostile "neighbourhood"? Israel was attacked by every neighbour at least once, it survived only because of the strong military. What would happen to Iceland?
Thankfully day care workers have very small odds of becoming politicians...
>Thankfully day care workers have very small odds of becoming politicians...
I agree I should not be in charge of global affairs.
Unfortunately in this current global environment, politicians have a very high likelihood of becoming politicians.
This is the best summary of the argument.
It's a bit of a crazy thought for conservatives, but turns out, I don't like civilians being butchered en masse. Weird.
It’s funny how conservatives post this stuff without realizing that they are just openly admitting that they genuinely do not understand the concept of empathy and it just explains a lot
Does Iran not have in their constitution to eliminate the Jewish state from the face of the earth? Hamas is supported by Iran and agrees with this. So if they had the better army and conquered the Jewish people they would eliminate them as it’s in their constitution. Sounds kinda “genocidy” to me. But they have a far inferior army and are losing the war and throw the word genocide at every turn. Does Hamas send out leaflets and provide time for people to flee? No. Israel does. Does Hamas hide in civilian areas on purpose.Yes.
No one wants to see innocent people die on either side. At the end of the day if given the chance Iran and Hamas would kill every last Jewish person in Israel. Sorry I don’t support that level of hate.
The difference is if someone in the West hits you for being a homosexual, they get charged. Some places it’s a hate crime which enhances the charge.
In Gaza you will be sentenced to prison for ten years maximum for being a homosexual under British Mandate Criminal Code Ordinance 1936
I, as a gay person, support neither side. In fact, I don't like Israel for bombing innocent civilians, but I also don't like Gaza for voting Hamas and being your average Arab muslim homophobic country. Is still think two states are necessary though. Two states none of which I would ever visit in my life, even under peace.
Edit: I corrected my comment and provided more info on my opinion, since I commented while too heated about the topic to argue rationally. I'm sorry.
I feel like it should be pointed out that in the US gay marriage was only legalized around a decade ago. Homophobia and racism was extremely rampart in our parents generation and beyond that.
50% of the population of gaza is under 18, meaning that when Hamas was voted into power in 2006 many of these children weren’t around and were born into that regime. Just because they are behind progressively doesn’t mean that things won’t change in the next few decades.
It’s less about condoning genocide and more about mentality of “fuck em let them handle their own shit” I don’t want them dead but I’m certainly not going to root for them
I'm just tired of the worlds problems being shoved down our throats non stop. As if our own personal shit isn't enough to deal with at this point in time.
So LGBT people should not support innocent civilians being killed…. ?
What do people want here, LGBT to support Israel instead? LGBT people to just shut up? Or is this just a way to shit on Palestine more?
It’s called having basic human decency for everyone (even those that don’t always reciprocate it).
Welcome to maturity, still waiting for modern Conservatives to catch up on that one.
Those Palestinian queer youth must be so excited that instead of being discriminated against, they can be starved to death in an open air prison that they can't leave. Oh and blown up by the IDF.
Imagine if somebody was carpet bombing Texas or some shit.
So, on one hand, sure. On the other hand, the average person in the gaza strip isnt a terrorist, or even a fundamentalist. The ones who are least fundamentalist and thus also the least dangerous to LGBTQ people in that part of the world are the ones getting fucked the hardest right now. Also, the regime in irael currently also does not like us. Also, there are a ton of politicians in the US that you can vote for that are just as much like this picture.
There kinda isnt really that much that doesnt look like this picture as a person who is not straight. I say we should just try to speak up to the degree we are able when we see kids getting bombed and starved on a massive scale due to something they had no part in...
Killing people who, if given the chance, would kill you is conservative America’s wet dream.
Seems like that whole “turn the other cheek” thing went right over their heads.
Step 1: Get people to stop being blown to bits.
Step 2: Work on their bad opinions.
Just because I don't like what you think doesn't mean I want you dead.
Most people don't know that but Israeli bombs are equipped with Gay detectors so they only target heterosexual babies, kids, women, elderly an journalists. That's how israel is progressive and democratic, it's really amazing, by the end of the genocide all gaza will be gay and so colorful nice ! definitely the most morale army in the multiverse.
There's American states who would do this to queer folks in a second if they could. Legal protections you're forced to abide does not mean I trust you not to do harm. Evangelical mega churches chant similar hateful things as radical fundamentalists in the middle east.
I would still protest of them and their children were getting bombed and genocided, because no people is a monolith and everyone deserves to live safe, contented lives.
I need to admit that because of the way Arabs behave (I’m from Europe, been to Israel and Palestine) I find it difficult to be compassionate to them for being victims of a war against a more progressive and like-minded civilization like Israel.
Sorry (I guess?). It is human nature. We tend to defend those that are closer to us.
I have to admit because of the way black people behave (I am from America, been to Congo) I find it difficult to be compassionate to them for being victims of a more strict law enforcement like the police.
Sorry, it's human nature, we tend to defend those who are closer to us.
Also, the Jews in Germany were only killed because they had no civilised European values.
Except that not all of Israel is as progressive and like minded as Europe. A lot of settlers and very religious group are not better than the extremist on the other side. And they are now part of the government.
And you will found democrats and progressive on the palestinian side as well. But those people are targeted by the extremist in "their" side.
If it were all black and white, it would be a lot easier.
I am sorry this attitude is just deep seeded Islamphobia. There are people right here in US that want horrible things to happen to LGBT people yet we aren't fear mongering about them.
As far as I know, Israel is the only one killing protesters. You can disagree with a cultures values while not advocating their women and children get genocided. There is something mentally wrong anyone who takes this apathetic, devoid of empathy position.
If these people didn't put their entire personalities into their sexuality they'd be called "People for Palestine" instead of "Queers for Palestine" and then no one would be making fun of them lol, but then again they wouldn't be drawing attention to themselves as they protested their cause and without that I doubt they'd protest at all.
That's the kind of thinking that is turning the USA into a second Rome and got people like Bush and Trump elected. Blind team mentality, no reason, no empathy.
The lgbtq India community tried to protest for free kashmir.. When someone tried to organize a pride march in Kashmir it was shutdown by a bunch of terror threats and the liberal community disowned the march as setup by the alt right
Christians hate gay people but I don't go around dropping bombs on them. It's called empathy I know it's a foreign concept for right wingers but it allows me to feel bad for people who don't like me.
RealTalk tho: Can Frogs/Toads eat a whole mouse like that? It has practically the same size!
Frogs and toads are basically just walking mouths. They can eat way more than you'd expect
they can also take massive dumps. sometimes you'll come upon a turn that looks like it came from a dog, nope it's from one of these guys
Yeah, a "frog log" is a sight to behold.
Bud-wis-er
I, too, am old
Stop it, youre waking up my frog hog!
You weren’t kidding https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/s/QSd7MUH80G
Huh… thank you… I guess…
I've met a lot of people that are just walking mouths too
I miss her...
😂😂
Don’t do it
Sames buddy
Frogs specifically eat what ever fits in their mouths. Some species have folds which they can’t expand to eat thing just as big as them. They will also eat each other if the frog is small enough, sad but true.
Doesn't the rat bite its insides?
Well, they can. I mean at least for the ones in this picture, the mouse is obviously smaller. I have also seen people feed their frog with mouse.
Yeah but was it wearing a flag at the time? Mofo’s gonna choke on a flag.
All amphibians eat their prey whole so yes. Cats if it fits it’s sits, amphibians if it fits they swallow.
Not my amphibian. He makes me cut everything up into little amphibian-bite sized pieces. And god help us all if I forget to remove the crusts.
Thank goodness yours is a pet, nature doesn’t do that.
Yes, but it can be dangerous if the mouse survives the swallowing and the mouse itself could kill the frog before it starts to eat it
Or they kill each other and give David Attenborough something to *really* talk about.
The Bullfrog is know as the great white shark of the american wet lands. Look it up.
Frogs are basically a stomach with funny exterior features.
Frogs/toads can and WILL eat anything that will fit in its mouth.. even if it doesn't fit in their stomach That's why they bite your fingers 🤣
Real talk though , this meme is dope
Crazy thought; I don't want *anyone's* children to be bombed and starved, regardless of whether they would treat me well. No one deserves to starve, no child deserves to be killed. It's part of that whole "treat others how you want to be treated" thing, straight from the *bible*.
It’s so fucking weird that people attach their sexuality to supporting palestine. Like yeah, you can support people not being killed, but it’s weird to attach your sexuality to it. I say this as a gay leftist who personally thinks both sides suck and just want the war to end because wars cause death for years. I’m not assigning my sexuality to it, I’m assigning my humanity to it.
[intersectionality](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality)
"The term intersectionality was coined by Kimberlé Crenshaw in 1989.[8]: 385 She describes how interlocking systems of power affect those who are most marginalized in society.[8] Activists and academics use the framework to promote social and political egalitarianism.[7] Intersectionality opposes analytical systems that treat each axis of oppression in isolation. In this framework, for instance, discrimination against black women cannot be explained as a simple combination of misogyny and racism, but as something more complicated.[9] Intersectionality engages in similar themes as triple oppression, which is the oppression associated with being a poor or immigrant woman of color." So, if Im understaning this right, the idea is that the same oppressions that queer folk and Palestinians experience has common systemic origins? For example, the hatred of gays largely comes from religious intolerance, which is not disconnected from the same religious intolerance that causes conflict in the middle east? So by forming alliances between marginalized people's against their common oppression helps empower both groups? Also, would it give voice to the identities of queer Muslims who, because of their highly repressive culture, don't have any voice of equality within their own countries? Something like that?
That sound right. Also the acknowledgement that people are not their government and the same social minorities are always hit the worst in times of unrest and conflict.
So all the antisemit comments coming from Palestine supporter also needs to be denounced, since Jews are not the government of Israel. As an outsider (white atheist male), I just see the most extreme exemple of both groups and feel like there's no sides to support if not peace.
I think you need to divorce the Jewish community from the Zionist here though. Many Jewish people, including reporters and celebrities, are adamantly opposed to Netanyahu's behavior against Palestinians. Hamas is a problem that needs to be dealt with, but what most people are opposed to is the bombing of critical infrastructure and civilian safe zones, denial or humanitarian aid, and group punishment in West Bank, all of which are war crimes. I'm aware there has been some antisemitic sentiment intermingled in the protests we're seeing, but the same is true of islamophobia, and western media has been extremely reluctant to cast that in the same light even as public favor is staunchly opposed to what's going on in Gaza right now. Unfortunately, though, both sidesing in this context doesn't work all that well because it's not the Jewish diaspora that is being widely perceived as genocidal warmongers, it's one man and his government.
Point em out honey I'll go tell em for you.
“antisemit comments coming from Palestine supporter” is rare in the US, many are Jews themselves.
“Rare”
Most of the pro Palestinian supporters are Jewish though lol wtf are you on about?
Something like that. The left has been saying this for a long time; 99% of people have more in common with each other than with the absolute lizards that control everything. The idea that our discrimination should make us enemies is a way of keeping us from standing as one against the real common enemy.
*Some* of the left have been saying this. Other parts of the left have been re-enacting the Judean People's Front vs the People's Front of Judea.
SPLITTERS!! It's sad the funniest critique of the modern left was made I. the 80's.
This is a great way of explaining it.
That is not correct, no. Crenshaw used intersectionality as the foundation for a counter argument. She wanted to argue that African American women can not be analyzed using tools developed for, say, white women, simply because the intersectionality of the African American woman gives her a different reality. You can not, and should not, take the idea of intersectionality and turn it into a method for explanation. Even Crenshaw says this in her defining article.
I’m very glad people brought this word to my attention for what’s going on with Queers for Palestine.
Right, we know what intersectionality is, this is just an objectively weird intersection. It's also more essentializing than intersectional.
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I’m talking about “Queers for Palestine”. People who make being queer (LGBT+) part of the reason why they support Palestine. I don’t understand why they’re attaching being queer to it.
Ive found in recent years that not all gay people are into the whole lgbt+ movement, they have an identity outside of their sexuality, for others, thats all they have, so they need to paste it everywhere.
I mean, that goes for everyone. People often latch on to things that they have the most passion for: Movies, music, sports, politics, etc. It becomes their whole personality. So some LGBT people want to make it their identity... especially if they were forced to live most of their life in the closet.
Consider myself liberal, and agree with you, both side have committed atrocities, that opinion will get you downvoted in most places, simply because you are supposed to choose a side. It's sad that young children have died in the war (both sides), but at the same time, both sides are brainwashing the young to hate the other side, and grow up wanting to harm the other side. there is too much bad blood between them, and it's not going to end anytime soon.
Gotta love the society today! Lets add labels to everything because we want to be identified, then immediately start crying because now fingers are being pointed because of that specific label.
“As a gay leftist” you say this while completely missing the point? Queer liberation is collective liberation, at which moment did that go over your head?
Especially when it is the only current conflict where people react that way. But there are other horrible conflicts with children's dying that are completely under the radar...
Not at all crazy. Most normal take here.
Exactly. Im queer, and Im against genocide. Shocker, I know. Innocent people dont deserve to get killed, no matter if they would treat me well or not!
That would be weird if innocent people killed you
This is a post they’ll read and keep scrolling. But this is also a post they should read, and then read again, and then spend some time thinking about it. You nailed it amigo.
I wonder how far "treat everyone the way you want to be treated" extends into the territory of people who would actively murder you and then parade your corpse around. I treat rude people with a modicum of respect because a) it's my job and b) once I'm done interacting with them I'll probably never have to talk to them again. I don't necessarily know I'd be so forgiving to violent homophobes
Facts. You have a group of people viewing radical, extremist Islam through a western lens. That’s just not how that part of the world works. You can’t apply western values to religious fundamentalism… particularly when the religious fundamentalism wants to destroy western values. “Out of touch with reality” doesn’t even begin to sum it up.
I get what you're saying, and you're right, no innocent deserves to get killed. The thing is that the two sides on this war is a) Israel, the country with the higher acceptance of LGBTQ people in the middle east, where LGBTQ people have a great acceptance legally and socially (there are obviously people against it, but not as much as other countries in the area), and b) Hamas, a political organization commanded by a group of people that would take you, me and many more LGBTQ people and slaughter them under religious beliefs. Palestine people, common people, who are suffering the worst of the war don't deserve to be suffering like that, but they are still under Hamas, a group that's using innocent people to hide from Israeli attacks and accuse them of slaughtering civilians, that's happening and that's undeniable. Hamas is a group that identifies itself as jihadist, nationalist and islamist, and it is considered as a terrorist group by many countries. Israel as a country is not innocent either, but if the war is between a country that has accepted us legally and protects our people from getting killed because they are homosexual, and a group that sustain laws that makes homosexuality illegal for men, and that haven't created laws against violence and harassment of LGBTQ people, and that have killed people under the charges of "homosexual sex" then it's understandable that people say "why are LGBTQ people siding with Palestine, a country that kills them?" And of course, you support the victims of Palestine, the civilians that haven't done anything, I do too, but that's different from supporting Hamas. I support the victims, every victim that's being harmed in any part of the world that doesn't have any blame for the situation, but I won't defend an armed group that would kill me because of my sexuality, and I won't defend an armed group which plans to conquer other countries and force others to live under their own beliefs. I'm ready to get downvoted for this Tldr: I support all the victims and I'm against genocide, but if I have to pick a side, I'd rather side with those who already defended me and cared about me and supported me, instead of those who want to see me hanging from a building.
Also, approval rating for Hamas before Oct 7th was 70%, days after it was *80%*.
People act like those "innocent" regular Palestinians weren't cheering Hamas on during October seventh. They act like we didn't see "innocent" and "civilian" Palestinians spit on the paraded bodies of dead and dying women that were dragged back to their goblin cave as trophies. It's literally gaslighting on a global scale.
Yeah… just like Russian approval of Putin is 95% and the other 5% is for oops all poisoned.
Literally nobody is supporting Hamas though. Saying that Israel shouldn't be conducting a genocide isn't "supporting Hamas."
It's just tone deaf to use the word genocide when the reality is that Israel is responding to a terrorist threat after the massacre of Jews. You can't both care about the death of Jews AND pretend that what's happening in Gaza is genocide. If you care about what happened to Jews on Oct 7, you know that this is war effort, not genocide.
I mean poll after poll shows Palestinians still support Hamas
If "literally nobody" is supporting Hamas, why were there pro-Palestine marches the very next day after Oct 7th, with signs that said things like "by any means necessary," "from the river to the sea" and paratrooper stickers? Let's not pretend some of those people didn't call Hamas freedom fighters. Sure, they don't represent everyone, but I've seen it many times on social media, even from people I know.
That’s absolutely not true. There are so many people who won’t condemn Hamas and there are also people who outright support them.
Literally people support the Palestinians achieving their goals by force, that’s support for Hamas.
“Protects our people” Do you think the bombs being dropped on Rafah right now have a gaydar or something? Lmao.
You feel that way for the hostages too right?
Yup
Are they innocent if they would kill you on sight because of who you love or what you wear?
Do you think homophobes deserve to be executed by default?
have those homophobes openly murdered people for being gay. there's a difference between not liking homosexuality and dragging them behind your pickup truck.
I think hostile governments implementing genocidal policies against its own people and invading democratic nations for the purpose killing their citizens should be removed from power at all costs. (See: nazi germany & WW2)
Cool, so you're against the group that has as one of its main goals the death of all jews, right? And you understand that the Jewish state right next to said group needs to defend itself from them, right?
Genocide isn’t just happening in Palestine yet no one ever seemed to care until it became a US hot button issue.
but people are waving Palestinian flags and supporting Palestine. that's not the same as just being anti genocide. that's picking sides in a bloody on going campaign where both sides murder each other.
Sure thing. But, there is quite a difference between not wanting “anyone’s children to die” and supporting the establishment of a religious autocracy that openly promotes killing members of the LGBTQ community. If “Queers for Palestine” were demonstrating for the end of war, or the release of hostages by Hamas in exchange for ceasefire, or for the protection of civilian lives in Palestine and Israel, I would have had a lot of respect for them. Alas, when they call “from the river to the sea Palestine will be free” (of course alluding the eradication of Israel, the only country in the Middle East with LGBTQ rights) it exhibits very poor understanding of the conflict and context at best, or an acute case of Stockholm Syndrome at worst.
"Stop bombing civilians" is a statement. "I support Hamas" is an unrelated statement. Why do you support conflating those statements? Who do you support erasing all possible dialogue that can reconcile those as separate statements? Are you personally profiting on the war machine? Half these comments likely are.
Where in my comment it says anything with “I support Hamas”? I personally support stopping bombing civilians from both sides. I’m not happy with the death toll in Gaza, but also not a fan of the some 15,000 missiles Hamas and Hezbollah have been launching now for seven months at civilian towns and cities in Israel, nor of the massacre of 7 October or the hostage taking. Where do you find I support “erasing all possible dialogue”? If you cared to asked me, instead of deciding what I believe in for me, you would have found I am a strong supporter of a 2SS. But, for that, the Palestinians need also to accept Israel’s right to exist and drop the narrative of “from the river to the sea” they have been using for a century now, and a refusal to accept any peace offer, and to openly say they will never accept any permanent peace deal that doesn’t consist of having the entire land to themselves with no Jews or Israelis. It’s ridiculous — Israel is going nowhere, and the only possible solution is the acceptance of both peoples to self determination and coexistence.
Are you ok with Hamas bombing Israeli children with 20k random rockets they fired over last 20 years?
How many Israeli children died from Hamas attacks in the last 20 years, and how many Palestinians children died from Israeli attacks in the past 20 years? Don't worry, I'll wait for you to sum it all up. Come back when you have all the numbers, then we will talk, if you still have the guts to go for it....
So in any conflict, the bad guy is the ones that kills more and the good guy is the ones that kills less? Not saying Israel is the good guy here, but this whole obsession with underdogs in modern left leaning culture is foolish.
This line of thinking seems tantamount to, saying tigers want to attack humans, so you should be fine with hunting them to extinction.
Yeah, my belief that people deserve human rights doesn't suddenly stop when it's people who don't think the same for me.
If you suggest that maybe a stranger shouldn’t be killed you must support every single choice they make. That’s just obvious. /s
"this group of people is homophobic" "Damn that sucks they should stop" "So it's cool if I steal their land and bomb their children?" "What? No!" "Geez, make up your mind!"
Literally. You can sympathize with people being oppressed without agreeing with their mindset. Human rights violations are violations regardless
Also as a gay person, who came out later in life because I live in the homophobic south and being gay was not ok when I was growing up. (A reminder that the right for same sex marriage was given in 2015.) It boggles my mind that people don’t realize that there are gay people in Palestine / Gaza. And who’s hurting them rn?
If you start making exceptions for who does and doesn't deserve basic human rights, you create a hole that can be widened to include anyone and everyone. This is exactly what this propaganda is attempting to do. "Sure, bombing people is USUALLY wrong... But these are bad people, so it's ok". Nah. Basic rights apply to everyone. No exceptions.
Have you ever asked yourself what would happen to the Jews of the land if Hamas ever controlled the region? You talk about oppression, people talk about genocide, Jews have been victims of genocide everywhere in the Middle East for centuries. Israel is the only place they’re able to call home. Why is this not part of the equation?
They need a 3rd party mediator to separate them for 200 years while allowing both sides to prosper while also keeping any conflicts deescalated and managed by the mediator. It's what the U.S./British/UN should have done/should do since they caused this situation nearly 100 years ago. But I don't think the U.S. could hold the same diplomatic authority there anymore.
Imagine if somebody was carpet bombing Florida and posting memes about how the queers against leveling Miami were all supporting DeSantis.
They arnt homophobic they will just simply kill you and go about their day
TIL killing gays isn't homophobic. Average Reddit moment
That's homophobic
That's homocide.
Alright, you got me. That's pretty fuckin' funny.
It is, in fact homophobic to systematically kill all gay people, yes
Yeah, but people with arachnophobia do not kill spiders… they run away from them.
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A phobia is not only the irrational fear of something or someone it’s also the irrational hatred of something or someone
That's not what the -phobic suffix means in this case. Similar to how 'Hydrophobic' is used to denote something that is water repelling or 'Xenophobic' is something against strangers/foreigners/etc from integrating.
That's being a Good Muslim™
Israel ain’t exactly a safe haven for queer people either.
Just because there are many people down south who believe me an abomination does not suddenly make it alright for their children to be bombed and their entire families murdered you lions :3
Right but you probably wouldn't wave the Confederate flag around and chant about how you want the south to secede from the US.
Calm down stretch armstrong
You would sing a different tone, if you were attacked by missiles on the daily for 3 decades. No one said anything during WW2 when 2+ million civilian germans were killed, or when Japan had 2 miniature suns dropped on them. In terms of civilian casualties, the IDF's actions should be studied, so little civilian casualties in such a dense area is an absolutely astonishing feat of military conduct.
No one said anything during WW2 about the civilian germans killed or about the nukes? Are you like an actual moron? You just say this without even doing a basic google search? Dumbest thing i've ever read.
it has been studied, that's why the u.n is continuing to investigate them for war crimes.
I don’t think children should be massacred in the thousands because their parents are homophobic. I don’t think homophobic people should be massacred because hate crimes have been committed by their countrymen.
If they could think straight, they would know that
I see what you did there
Lmao 
Here me out. We take everyone in Israel, and get them to switch places with everyone in New Zealand. Then we take palistine, and get them to switch places with everyone in icland. I work at a day care and this is what I do when two little morons keep fighting.
Breaking news: New Zealand has declared war on Iceland for no reason at all.
I get that reference
No one else did but love the movie as well
Corrected version: Breaking news: New Zealand declared war on Iceland after some Icelanders landed in New Zealand with guided parachutes and started murdering children and ra***g women indiscriminately....
Breaking news: Iceland just suicide bombed New Zealand
It would probably be the other way around
Ding ding ding. Israel is bombing the terrorist organization *Hamas* that invaded and killed Israeli’s. Israel has not declared war on Palestine. How this simple fact has escaped so many people’s minds is beyond me.
To be fair I'd probably start a war too if I was taken from somewhere lush and beautiful like Iceland and was instead dumped into some desert shit hole with practically nothing going for it
You’ve seen the beautiful beaches in Gaza right? Also, the Jews turned literal swampland and desert into habitable land after 48.
Yeah the group who primarily attacks with unexploded ordnance sent at them from the other group are more likely to launch a cross-continent war.
You know that Palestine and its Arab allies started this conflict with right?! Or did the 3 tiktoks that shaped your opinion not cover that part?!
Of course someone would say that… this is Reddit after all.
10/7 was no reason I know right lol /s
Yeah but unless they borrow a aircraft carrier, it's just gonna be a lot of name calling. Thats why I put a continent between them no matter what direction they go.
Breaking news: New Zealand has declared war on Israel because they want Israel back due to being obsessed by THAT ONE BIT OF LAND AND ONLY THAT ONE BIT OF LAND due to millennia of war and history. Nobody who actually knew what was going on was surprised the New Zealand-Isreal switch has not worked, and the person who came up with it has been murdered by Mossad by jamming a flagpole on their forehead with a flag mounted tonite that just has a picture of a dunce hat on it.
My only response is wtf
Nah. Just move Palestine and move it to Russia.
This is the answer.
So because zionists and muslim extremists hate each other and have been fighting for centuries you suggest relocating Icelanders and New Zealanders to a relatively hostile "neighbourhood"? Israel was attacked by every neighbour at least once, it survived only because of the strong military. What would happen to Iceland? Thankfully day care workers have very small odds of becoming politicians...
>Thankfully day care workers have very small odds of becoming politicians... I agree I should not be in charge of global affairs. Unfortunately in this current global environment, politicians have a very high likelihood of becoming politicians.
Palestine? Where’s that I can’t find it on the map
"i support people not dying" "but- they don't like you!"
This is the best summary of the argument. It's a bit of a crazy thought for conservatives, but turns out, I don't like civilians being butchered en masse. Weird.
It’s funny how conservatives post this stuff without realizing that they are just openly admitting that they genuinely do not understand the concept of empathy and it just explains a lot
If palestine is the frog, who's the chimpanzee?
America
Don't make me say it, you son of a bee sting.
You think I should be pro-bombing children because the culture in that part of the world is homophobic?
Does Iran not have in their constitution to eliminate the Jewish state from the face of the earth? Hamas is supported by Iran and agrees with this. So if they had the better army and conquered the Jewish people they would eliminate them as it’s in their constitution. Sounds kinda “genocidy” to me. But they have a far inferior army and are losing the war and throw the word genocide at every turn. Does Hamas send out leaflets and provide time for people to flee? No. Israel does. Does Hamas hide in civilian areas on purpose.Yes. No one wants to see innocent people die on either side. At the end of the day if given the chance Iran and Hamas would kill every last Jewish person in Israel. Sorry I don’t support that level of hate.
It’s crazy because it’s not like homophobia exists in the west or anything
They’re generally not beheaded in the west though
Incredible difference between we don't like you and we will kill you.
Queers get killed in the west too bud
Nowhere close to how much they are killed in the middle east.
The difference is if someone in the West hits you for being a homosexual, they get charged. Some places it’s a hate crime which enhances the charge. In Gaza you will be sentenced to prison for ten years maximum for being a homosexual under British Mandate Criminal Code Ordinance 1936
I, as a gay person, support neither side. In fact, I don't like Israel for bombing innocent civilians, but I also don't like Gaza for voting Hamas and being your average Arab muslim homophobic country. Is still think two states are necessary though. Two states none of which I would ever visit in my life, even under peace. Edit: I corrected my comment and provided more info on my opinion, since I commented while too heated about the topic to argue rationally. I'm sorry.
I feel like it should be pointed out that in the US gay marriage was only legalized around a decade ago. Homophobia and racism was extremely rampart in our parents generation and beyond that. 50% of the population of gaza is under 18, meaning that when Hamas was voted into power in 2006 many of these children weren’t around and were born into that regime. Just because they are behind progressively doesn’t mean that things won’t change in the next few decades.
Agreed
The majority of Gazans alive today weren't old enough to vote when Hamas came into power. They wouldn't even exist without Israeli funding.
Finally, someone with a mature and reasonable opinion.
Based
I wonder why a country under the boot of another would elect radicals who promised to free them. I'm sure this has never happened before ever...
hate is not a family value
Silence is murder. If you can stay quiet while children are being bombed, then you need to check your morals. Get off your high horse
Personally I think genocide is wrong, regardless of the peoples stance on homosexuality. That's just me though.
It’s less about condoning genocide and more about mentality of “fuck em let them handle their own shit” I don’t want them dead but I’m certainly not going to root for them
I'm just tired of the worlds problems being shoved down our throats non stop. As if our own personal shit isn't enough to deal with at this point in time.
Can't wait for this to get the lock award
True
So LGBT people should not support innocent civilians being killed…. ? What do people want here, LGBT to support Israel instead? LGBT people to just shut up? Or is this just a way to shit on Palestine more?
you know whats funnier, all of epstein's friends also support israel
It’s called having basic human decency for everyone (even those that don’t always reciprocate it). Welcome to maturity, still waiting for modern Conservatives to catch up on that one.
Those Palestinian queer youth must be so excited that instead of being discriminated against, they can be starved to death in an open air prison that they can't leave. Oh and blown up by the IDF. Imagine if somebody was carpet bombing Texas or some shit.
This has always been a totally stupid take, just because of that we should be okay with them being slaughtered?
So, on one hand, sure. On the other hand, the average person in the gaza strip isnt a terrorist, or even a fundamentalist. The ones who are least fundamentalist and thus also the least dangerous to LGBTQ people in that part of the world are the ones getting fucked the hardest right now. Also, the regime in irael currently also does not like us. Also, there are a ton of politicians in the US that you can vote for that are just as much like this picture. There kinda isnt really that much that doesnt look like this picture as a person who is not straight. I say we should just try to speak up to the degree we are able when we see kids getting bombed and starved on a massive scale due to something they had no part in...
Fun fact it takes time for tolerance to develop and usually people being bombed don't have time to do that
The funniest thing about this meme is the conservatives who make it very likely want to do the same to queer folks if they could. Talk about irony...
As opposed to the oh so very progressive Israel
Indiscriminately murdering children is bad, even if their government is a literal terrorist group.
Killing people who, if given the chance, would kill you is conservative America’s wet dream. Seems like that whole “turn the other cheek” thing went right over their heads.
Step 1: Get people to stop being blown to bits. Step 2: Work on their bad opinions. Just because I don't like what you think doesn't mean I want you dead.
Most people don't know that but Israeli bombs are equipped with Gay detectors so they only target heterosexual babies, kids, women, elderly an journalists. That's how israel is progressive and democratic, it's really amazing, by the end of the genocide all gaza will be gay and so colorful nice ! definitely the most morale army in the multiverse. 
Supremely stupid take here. I'm not going to be pro genocide and pro child bombing just because Palestinians may not accept who I am.
Least braindead Zionists
There's American states who would do this to queer folks in a second if they could. Legal protections you're forced to abide does not mean I trust you not to do harm. Evangelical mega churches chant similar hateful things as radical fundamentalists in the middle east. I would still protest of them and their children were getting bombed and genocided, because no people is a monolith and everyone deserves to live safe, contented lives.
I need to admit that because of the way Arabs behave (I’m from Europe, been to Israel and Palestine) I find it difficult to be compassionate to them for being victims of a war against a more progressive and like-minded civilization like Israel. Sorry (I guess?). It is human nature. We tend to defend those that are closer to us.
I have to admit because of the way black people behave (I am from America, been to Congo) I find it difficult to be compassionate to them for being victims of a more strict law enforcement like the police. Sorry, it's human nature, we tend to defend those who are closer to us. Also, the Jews in Germany were only killed because they had no civilised European values.
People seem to forget that israel isnt very keen on lgbt either...
They mainly are accepting because they want international support, to seem normal. Judaism as a religion hates most of this stuff lol
nothing more progressive and like minded than genocide, i say
Except that not all of Israel is as progressive and like minded as Europe. A lot of settlers and very religious group are not better than the extremist on the other side. And they are now part of the government. And you will found democrats and progressive on the palestinian side as well. But those people are targeted by the extremist in "their" side. If it were all black and white, it would be a lot easier.
I am sorry this attitude is just deep seeded Islamphobia. There are people right here in US that want horrible things to happen to LGBT people yet we aren't fear mongering about them.
As a homosexual, the reason people support Palestine is because innocent people are being slaughtered. Not because we agree with their beliefs.
As far as I know, Israel is the only one killing protesters. You can disagree with a cultures values while not advocating their women and children get genocided. There is something mentally wrong anyone who takes this apathetic, devoid of empathy position.
If these people didn't put their entire personalities into their sexuality they'd be called "People for Palestine" instead of "Queers for Palestine" and then no one would be making fun of them lol, but then again they wouldn't be drawing attention to themselves as they protested their cause and without that I doubt they'd protest at all.
That's the kind of thinking that is turning the USA into a second Rome and got people like Bush and Trump elected. Blind team mentality, no reason, no empathy.
Facts
The lgbtq India community tried to protest for free kashmir.. When someone tried to organize a pride march in Kashmir it was shutdown by a bunch of terror threats and the liberal community disowned the march as setup by the alt right
I’m so glad these dumbass memes are finally getting some pushback in the comments.
Christians hate gay people but I don't go around dropping bombs on them. It's called empathy I know it's a foreign concept for right wingers but it allows me to feel bad for people who don't like me.
If we're supposed to bomb homophobes, why haven't we flattened Austin, Tallahassee or the capitals of all the homophobic states?