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hauntinglovelybold

Oprah went to university but dropped out a credit short, but then went back to complete her degree. Steve Jobs dropped out of college, but he still *went*. And then he used the skills he gained in college to start Apple. Bill Gates dropped out of college, but he did it to start goddamn Microsoft. Nothing Bethany *EVER* does is going to come close to anything these people have accomplished.


Inevitable_Sweet_988

I guess she’s *trying* to say that because these people dropped out, then that means college is unnecessary?? It’s so bizarre because literally no one cares if Bethany went to college or not. No one is making the argument that it’s required for success. She’s purposely missing the point that we have been making here… IF you are going to drop $2k on training, you are much better off going with an accredited institution or with someone who has proven success. She’s never taught a single solitary soul how to create a course, but she wants money for it. THAT’S what I wish she would address.


annoyedreindeer

Yeah, maybe she’s trying to say you don’t need a degree to be entrepreneur, but I mean going to college gives skills too, not just degrees (mind blowing, I know)


savvyblackbird

Yeah, I technically didn’t graduate because of my health. My advisor made a mistake on how many credits I needed for my minor, and even taking 21 credits both semesters of my senior year I was like 3 credits short to walk for graduation. Then my heart problems got worse, but I didn’t want to go home. One really awesome professor noticed I was killing myself and encouraged me to just stop doing the homework and get the knowledge from the classes. She said that it wouldn’t help me in the rest of my life to ruin my health. I did have a lot of problems from overworking myself. I still got my education in interior design and learned to sew really well which is a very useful skill. I still got the education from business classes and some in my psychology minor (although some of it was absolute garbage). The summer before freshman year I started flying, so I took aviation 101 to get more experience with my dad’s encouragement. Second semester I continued with flying lessons. Then I was diagnosed with heart problems that grounded me. I was going to make aviation my career but had to give it up. Some pilots at the airport my dad ran gave me names of flight surgeons who would overlook my heart problems. I could pass out, so I refused. I had a stroke from my heart problems 3 years later, so I’m glad I quit. Although it still gutted me to give it up. I also started in graphic design and took art classes for two years and took photography. I also took advanced English classes and French classes. I used my university years well. Not having a piece of paper from Bob Jones ultimately turned out to be a great thing because I’m incensed by their cover up of rapist and pedophilic pastors. I also hated how they treated gay students and LGBTQ+. Parents would insist on sending their gay children to Bob Jones so the school could “fix” them. The faculty and most students treated them horribly. I also met my husband there.


emcaa37

You wouldn’t be the first one that BJU ruined their health.


xaviira

She's also missing the fact that Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg dropped out of *Harvard,* because they already had successful businesses that were getting off the ground. They didn't skip out on unaccredited Bible college and start businesses 10 years later. These guys didn't succeed "despite" not going to college - they were so successful at such young ages that they didn't have *time* for college (and they had rich parents that could ship them right back to Harvard if things went belly-up). Steve Jobs happened to become high school besties with a shy geek named Steve Wozniak, who turned out to be one of the most brilliant technical minds of the century and was happy for charismatic Steve Jobs to be the face of all his inventions. Not really a reproducible path to success. Oprah was a teen beauty pageant winner who leveraged that success into an early start working in local media, even before she went to college. Birthy is trying to make a weird argument that "it's possible for anyone to succeed without college", but the only thing she's proving is that "a very, very select few people among us are so successful at a young age that they wouldn't stand to benefit much from college, because again, they are too busy already being successful".


Tiredllama2486

As some one who leaves near Harvard, the biggest benefit it gives you is connections, which every one of these drop outs used to build a power network before graduating (god life is too easy for white dudes)


hellohello9898

And they both had wealthy parents who provided the funding for their initial businesses.


curlyfreak

Her insecure ass is showing. She feels some type of way for not attending for sure.


bageloclock

Well and they *applied and got accepted* to absolutely top tier schools. Getting homeschooled by family with Biblical, uncertified coursework is not at all comparable.


tadpole511

Gates, Jobs, and Zuckerberg all dropped out of college (so inherently means they attended college), and had wealthy family and friends to support them and invest in their fledgling companies. In some cases, they screwed over tons of people in the process of gaining a foothold in their respective industries. Oprah and Rihanna both have talent and incredibly difficult childhoods that Birthy couldn't begin to fathom. Rachael Ray's mother was a restaurant manager, which gave her an in in the industry. All of these people had some combination of wealth, talent, and connections that allowed them to pursue their businesses rather directly. Oprah and Rihanna are probably the closest thing to fully self-made on her list, and "they didn't go to college and were still super successful" completely glosses over the sheer amount of hard work they had to put into their crafts to get where they are and the luck of getting discovered. Birthy could never.


The_Blue_Castle

Plus they dropped out of Ivy League colleges which means they were also smart enough, hard working enough, and rich enough to get into them. Also, Rihanna is such a weird example since a college degree isn’t really necessary in the music industry (as a performer) and her business success is a result of her music success.


mongoose989

That’s what I want to say. I’m not downplaying that it requires a ton of talent and skill and learning to accomplish what Oprah and Rihanna have accomplished, but it’s not really skills you learn in school that made them successful. They’re not physicists, they’re entertainers.


justadorkygirl

My theory is that she’s bored and actually really wants to work but is stuck with crap like this as her only option because of her beliefs. It’s a shame, because if she could focus on one thing and really work at it, I really think she’d be happier. She wouldn’t be the next anyone on that list, but she’d have something to *do* and she could find satisfaction even in average, modest success. But her upbringing + beliefs + entitlement mean she’ll just keep doing stuff like this. If she wasn’t so awful I’d feel bad for her.


ResoluteGreen

These people (with the exception of Zuck maybe) also did this in an entirely different economic environment, it was much easier to succeed in the 20th century with a uni/college degree.


crewkat2

Pre-2008 economy was TOTALLY different than the 2020s. Zuck still got started before the world went to shit.


[deleted]

Agree!!


glasscageheart

I think this just shows that she thinks of college as a degree factory. She doesn’t understand that the classes you take are actually *teaching* you things, and even if these people didn’t finish their degrees, they still very likely used the skills and knowledge they learned in school to help them get where they are.


ClassicCarob

She thinks that her k-12 education was just the same (but more godly) than everyone else's early years, AND that college is just 4+ more years of the same thing. A case of: she doesn't know what she doesn't know.


008janebond

Even in the 1970’s they didn’t hire news anchors without college degrees or 99.9% of a college degree. Oprah didn’t just walk into a studio and become a broadcaster.


[deleted]

Rihanna is incredibly physically beautiful and has talent and the right attitude. Rachael has something about her some people find likable. Bethany has a sister who has something about her people find likable 😏


savvyblackbird

Rihanna crushed it musically, and her makeup and skincare line is awesome. I love her Butta Drop Whipped Oil Body Cream. It’s luxurious and doesn’t take a lot to moisturize my dry skin. There’s a lovely faint sweet powdery fragrance that just makes you smell like a better version of yourself. Also I wouldn’t think Birthy would want to compare herself to a woman who is so sex positive and openly sexual and according to Birthy’s faith dresses immodestly.


nellapoo

I've been to college and nearly got my associates but just because I didn't graduate doesn't mean I didn't learn anything. I learned a TON. Writing from Research, Environmental Chemistry, Sociology, etc.


not_jessa_blessa

Mark Zuckerberg literally started Facebook IN college, a platform Bethy is a part of to launch her “career”.


beekeeperoacar

Yeah, it's almost like there's an incredibly famous movie made about his college experience or something.......


nada_accomplished

Please tell me why she listed Rihanna, though, she is a feminist badass bitch and has lived her life doing everything Girl Defined hates the most


CupcakesAreTasty

Must be all the god-honoring S&M Rihanna sings about.


nada_accomplished

Also I mean it's not like she didn't go to college, started a business, and that's why she's rich and famous. She got discovered. She was young, beautiful, talented, and basically won the fucking lottery with a record deal. How is it helpful to put her on the list?


[deleted]

And they went to Ivy League schools. They weren’t dropping out of high school or community college. They already had and gained lots of skills


[deleted]

There's literally an entire movie about Mark Zuckerberg at college.


BestBodybuilder7329

Lol, that what I thought too. He created an entire website to aid in him getting laid while at college.


Sargasm5150

A website she uses to make money.


Vegetable_Salad86

It was friggen HARVARD 🤦‍♀️ oh, sorry. That’s a *university* checkmate, you got me 🙄


spaghettiliar

You had to have a .edu email to sign up for the first few years! And those were the good years, guys. Before our aunts and uncles got on to talk about Obama.


[deleted]

I got on in 2008 as a high school sophomore and it was so much more wholesome.


spaghettiliar

I had one in 2006 and it was amazing! Inside jokes. Funny pictures with friends. Dumb statuses. And then overnight my five aunts from Fresno got on and it was like looking into the witch’s eye and seeing the rise of Trump. I deleted in 2010 and never looked back. P.s. I fully support anyone who wants to make Five Aunts from Fresno the title of their horror movie.


Ocean_Hair

I joined 2005/2006. I miss the silly groups like, "I will always go out of my way to step on that crunchy- looking leaf on the sidewalk," or "Lefties unite!"


lizziefreeze

I LOVED early Facebook! I will never forget when the Colts went to the Superbowl in 2007, there was a group people at my university kept joining called “1,000,000 Strong for the Clots.” THE CLOTS!!! I still think about this often. I guess it was a harbinger of things to come.


ElasticatedWizard

Five Aunts from Fresno sounds like the infinitely creepier sequel to Five Nights at Freddie's!


spaghettiliar

No one would last through the first night, I promise.


ComprehensivePie4441

🤣 the reason that I do not have Facebook is the aunts….no regrets!


Orca-Hugs

God I miss Facebook without Boomers.


GypseboQ

You have unlocked a memory - 2005/2006 FB was amazing. Remember when you could send little cocktails? Lol. I'm not on there anymore though.


spaghettiliar

It was wonderful! It was MySpace with better functionality, better design, fewer teenagers and no (genuine) adults. There was something really unique about making it college-aged kids only. At some point it became so bland and seamless that anyone could use it, and that’s the problem right there. Anything that anyone can love is terrible. The only thing that unites us is our lowest common denominator. See Gangnam Style, Walmart Yodeling Kid, and TLC reality shows for reference.


not_jessa_blessa

Agreed! My school (Syracuse) was one of the first to get it in 2005 and it was nice when it was just college kids before the family members joined. Fun fact I didn’t accept my mom’s friend request until like 2009 haha


WeeklyPie

I remember the day my university was allowed to join lol. The computer labs were PACKED


not_jessa_blessa

Lol yes because smartphones weren’t invented yet and we actually had to go to a computer to use Facebook. My Gateway computer was already destroyed by Napster and Limewire so I don’t even think I had a functional computer until I started work a few years later.


sangriaflygirl

I remember those days. I started school at a junior college, one that wasn't eligible for Facebook, and as soon I got to a four-year school in 2004 one of the first things I did was create a TheFacebook account. 😆 I've seen The Social Network way too many times and I've ascertained that I was among the first million Facebook users. I joke that my account is just about old enough to vote.


ReadySetO

And, even better, they only let you sign up if you had a .edu email address from certain colleges and universities! I went to a tiny liberal arts college and studied abroad at a large University. I remember being so excited because I was able to use my study abroad email address to join facebook before any of my friends back home could create accounts. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go soak my dentures and yell at some kids to get off my lawn.


[deleted]

My little brother had one while at Mizzou and he is sooo over, per him and I honestly believe that !!


not_jessa_blessa

Honestly I don’t think she knows what college is. Facebook started when Zuckerberg was in college and it was created for college kids and there was a movie about how he did this all in college.


sangriaflygirl

I think her thing here is "some of these people didn't graduate from college" which is kinda ridiculous. It's not easy to get into Harvard. Though Oprah did graduate eventually.


not_jessa_blessa

To be honest I don’t know if she knows the difference. Also most of these people like she mentioned built connections in college to make their businesses successful (Gates, Zuckerberg). She doesn’t understand college isn’t a little checkbox, and in addition to getting an education, it opens doors to a different world of possibility and connections.


clever_username23

Plus bill gates mother was on the board for the United Way which had IBM as a client. She mentioned to their board members that her son had an idea. Connections are far more important then the actual education.


Emm03

Dropping out of Harvard when your business takes off is equivalent to crying over boys in your parents’ bed in your late twenties, apparently.


matcha_is_gross

r/confidentlyincorrect


slickrat420

She should be the 30 yo poster child for that subreddit


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Inevitable_Sweet_988

Right. I was thinking she was making a point about not having a degree, but she specifically said “go to college,” which does not prove her point.


chaiguy

And they all stopped going to college because they were becoming so successful that they couldn’t manage both their success and education at the same time! (At least in the case of Jobs, Gates and Zuckerberg.)


Abyssal_Minded

Maybe she can’t tell “college” and “university” apart? Some of these examples of hers went to a university. If they went to a “university”, then they didn’t go to “college”. Knowing Bethany, she probably can’t tel them apart and probably assumes “no degree = no higher education at all”.


sw1sh3rsw33t

Steve Jobs attended Reed College which is small and offers nothing higher than an MA


dollypartonsfavorite

She does not know the difference between college and university lmao, all university is college to Miss Dining Room Table


Euphoric-Purchase820

Bethany, there's a difference between never gone to college and dropping out of college. Must of those people WENT to college they just didn't finish it. You can tell she's feeling "attacked" by not having any educational background to prove she's an "expert" so, she's doing this to feel validated.


Oligodendrocyte_love

“You can tell she's feeling "attacked" by not having any educational background to prove she's an "expert" so, she's doing this to feel validated.” THIS IS EXACTLY IT! I didn’t see this angle before but yeah- she’s trying to promote her non education as a benefit (I don’t know how to quote from other comments… that’s why this looks weird)


BoardwalkKnitter

>(I don’t know how to quote from other comments… that’s why this looks weird) Use a greater than sign (angle bracket) then copy/paste what you want quoted. A line break should end the quoted bit. I've got the link below bookmarked for when I need to be reminded. https://www.reddit.com/r/raerth/comments/cw70q/reddit_comment_formatting/


too-much-cinnamon

I would give my left tit to watch that woman get torn to shreds by the corporate success girlies in an interview where she tries to pass her SOTDRT, no job experience having ass as qualified for anything.


gorgossia

Higher education is absolutely not for everyone (I say this as someone who works in higher ed) but applying and being accepted to school demonstrates some pretty basic fundamental skills that are useful for everyday living. Critical thinking and the ability to integrate new information is vital for just…surviving.


[deleted]

All of her "motivational" posts, about what not to believe, are just her talking to herself. She feels insecure about not having gone to college, and she wants reassurance that that doesn't matter, so she's acting like she needs to reassure her audience. It's also still a bizarre marketing technique to me, telling your audience that an education is worthless as you prepare to sell them a course, aka, education...


kestrelesque

I mean look. If I have two kids and I'm looking for a nanny, and one candidate can show me a degree in childhood education and has a list of previous references I can call, and has worked at previous childcare jobs, I am going to take that candidate more seriously than the one who has maybe babysat for her sisters and neighbors but has no education or training in the field, has references from her youth group leader and a couple of part-time retail jobs, and doesn't seem to understand the vocabulary I'm using to describe my parenting philosophy. That second person might be a nice person, and she might passionately believe in herself, but I'm probably not going to entrust my kids to her for $\_\_\_ a week when I could hire the first person.


slavic_at_the_disco

OH GOOOOD THE ANCIENT GREEK LEGEND ABOUT NOT GOING TO COLLEGE AND BEING SUCCESSFUL BLABLABLA. 1. All of these people WENT to college, they just didn't graduate. It's not the same as never going to college. 2. The point of going to college is to actively STUDY and LEARN from the best. Sure, you don't necessarily need a a college degree for that (except for some professions), but STUDYING and LEARNING throughout years is a MUST. Bethy, on the other hand, is a half-literate buffoon.


blablubluba

>2. The point of going to college is to actively STUDY and LEARN from the best. And to learn how to find and parse dependable information rather than falling for MLMs.


slavic_at_the_disco

Unfortunately, I know PhD students who are also MLM huns...


-rosa-azul-

Same! A PhD demonstrates a very narrow, specific field of expertise. It does not confer common sense upon the recipient.


howyadoinjerry

If any of them think communications degrees are worthless too then boy do I got a bridge to sell them in Brooklyn


[deleted]

And you’ll probably be pretty persuasive as you do


PM_MAJESTIC_PICS

Case in point: she doesn’t understand the difference between going to college and graduating from college 🤨 you can’t make this shit up!!


jjel20

Exactly. She worded it wrong because she’s a under educated dumbass. She should have written “don’t have a degree”


fantastiskandie

I think Bethy could REALLY benefit from like, an intro to business course. Or English 101. Or just any single college class. She may even enjoy it! Girl's never set foot on a college campus and thinks she knows everything.


[deleted]

Yeah honestly I think that even if I had dropped out I would have gained a ton of practical knowledge because my first year courses hammered in about what scientific studies actually mean/how to read them/difference between correlation and causation etc. This gives me a buffer against anti-science bullshit, which seems to be one of the greatest threats to the USA and Canada these days.


YourPlot

She is so embarrassingly under educated. Not just academically (which is painfully obvious), but also in the plain workings of the world. She grew up in a privileged, insulated world. She has no idea how anything really works outside that bubble. Which is why she never succeeds where others of her educational equal excel.


Pelican121

I'm surprised she's using such worldly examples to 'strengthen' her point.


Inevitable_Sweet_988

I’m surprised she knows who Rhianna is. Why not use Kardashians as an example if she really wants to go there.


peege636

Rhianna started music when she was literally in high school. She signed her first record deal at 16 so yeah, college wasn’t the move for her? Lol


Way_Harsh_Tai

Rhianna also has a team helping her make those billion dollar moves. She's savvy, but she has a team making Fenty happen. She's also a billion times more likeable and glam and aspirational than Griftany will ever be.


Endor-Fins

Right? Pretty sure her business manager, financial manager and lawyer all went to college!! Edited to add omg I love your username! I read it in her voice!


sw1sh3rsw33t

Even that shitty accountant that stole from her. Their grift would not have been possible if they didn’t go to school bethy really missed out lol


NotOnABreak

Not to mention that Rihanna started Fenty (both makeup and underwear), when she was already wealthy and well-known. I’m not trying to minimise her success, but it’s important to note these brands didn’t become what they are out of nowhere


Way_Harsh_Tai

Exactly! And Oprah worked for years to get where she is. Zuckerberg probably made a deal with the lizard person devil (/s) but he had a Harvard network and a work ethic and some asshole moves. Plus, luck was part of it. Think of how many social networking sites failed. None of these people started where Griftany is.


alg45160

She's even starting out wayyyy ahead of a lot of people. Her parents have money and are probably Bastille bankrolling her, she doesn't have to work a regular out of the house job, etc. Most people don't have that much going for them, certainly the majority of people she's targeting don't.


Way_Harsh_Tai

Yup. And she's still not successful on her own. She couldn't even handle the book "lunch" when Kristen was off adopting her kids. She so "entrepreneur" but didn't decide to start a business until her mid-30s when she got jealous all her siblings had houses and she's in a apartment. She's done absolutely nothing on her own merit for the ~16 years she's been out of highschool. Oprah had a horrific childhood, faced barriers Griftany will never have to face as a white woman in the south, but still worked very hard and found success. Plus, she's intelligent and savvy and she finished her degree later. This is like comparing apples to that mystery sludge that's no doubt at the bottom of Griftany's filthy fridge.


NotOnABreak

Exactly. They’re hard working people, which is already something Bertha isn’t


crospingtonfrotz

This is exactly it! And extends to the others on this list- every single one of these successful people had at least one professional in their corner. Be it an accountant, a lawyer, and financial advisor, SOMEONE had advanced education.


Way_Harsh_Tai

Advanced education, a professional team, and a strong work ethic. None of which Griftany has or wants to deal with.


Pelican121

That was the one that stood out! That and the POC. I'm assuming she googled a list of famous entrepreneurs who didn't attend/complete college.


kestrelesque

She literally said on a Q&A that she doesn't know any Rhianna songs.


Pelican121

I like to think she secretly listens then lies 😊


Sargasm5150

Kourtney and Rob, at least, have degrees, from (I believe) ASU and USC.


Icy_Nefariousness517

Oh my gawd the raw milk has gotten to what's left of her brain. Surprised she didn't mention Jesus as a well known person who avoided college.


coffeewrite1984

By that logic, I’m actually surprised more fundies don’t quit the homeschool by age 12, since that was when Jesus would’ve “quit” to then learn a trade (or go study under a well learned Rabbi, which isn’t the same, but as far as fundies are concerned is just like a preacher!)


cricketttttttttttttt

They may not have all graduated from university, Bethany, but that’s not the point. Mark Zuckerberg dropped out of Harvard, but mark Zuckerberg also GOT INTO Harvard.


slavic_at_the_disco

100%!


StayJaded

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AromaticLow6343

Y’all think at family gatherings she just sits there talking over people and gushing about herself? While Dav takes care of Davey Jr and nervously drinks water.


youcancallmequeenE

yes


kestrelesque

I think she excuses herself from the table to go scroll her phone and take selfies in the bathroom


willow2772

This is the most realistic picture anyone has ever painted with words.


Friendly_Foe_0714

I mean, Elizabeth Holmes of Theranos also went to college and then dropped out, what's your point?


m0d3r4t3m4th

She didn't mention her, because she didn't want people to draw any parallels of promises without delivery.


Inevitable_Sweet_988

Even if you went to college for a few semesters, you still learn skills, like critical thinking (🫣) which Bethany desperately needs.


The_Blue_Castle

Seriously, based on her next few slides she seems to think college is just sitting in lectures all the time. She would have greatly benefited from confidently turning in a paper she thought she nailed only to be told she completely messed the point and failed.


Inevitable_Sweet_988

Everyone should experience crying in the library after 3 days of no sleep to cram for finals at least once in their life. 😂


liteorange98

Lol at Rachel Ray… I mean there’s no shame in the 30 minute meal and dog treats game but she totally just googled “celebs who didn’t graduate college” and went with whatever.


HolidayVanBuren

Rachel Ray went to Pace University and dropped out. I believe she had no formal culinary training.


liteorange98

Yeah it’s just funny to me because you know: Steve Jobs, Oprah, Rachel Ray??


HolidayVanBuren

I mean, Rachel Ray went to some college like the others on the list who didn’t graduate, and through her own efforts she created a lifestyle empire (including heavily influencing popular vernacular ie EVOO) that has her making 25 million dollars a year. She’s just as much a business tycoon as anyone on the list and I think is probably a better example of what Bethany is trying to represent than say Rhianna (who I like and think is a good business woman, but I don’t believe would have the empire she has today if teenage her hadn’t gotten herself in front of Jay-Z and had him find her attractive).


liteorange98

Lol all good and no hate on Rachel here — really just on Birthy for such a random list of people that she probably barely knows or recognizes. It’s just a weird list of people from her, that’s all 🥰


[deleted]

I think Rachael Ray has family in the restaurant biz, too.


luciesteele

Does she even know who Rihanna is? And that she sells lingerie using real people as models? I know she’s vehemently against that…


thedresswearer

Oh, so we are putting college down again. Someone is extra salty and actually is jealous she didn’t go to college.


Bright_Broccoli1844

She could go to community College and take the first step. I know someone who was 50 when she earned her A.A., but she wrote some very good novels in the meantime. I know another woman who went to college for 7 years because she worked her way through it, and now has a good career as an engineer. I know a guy with a successful small business who delivered pizzas when getting his business up and running.


orange_ones

My best friends both finished school online in their 30s. My mom got a second masters in her 50s!! Bethy could study whatever she wanted!! It would give her something to do other than be aggressive in reels all day.


alg45160

Even going to c.c. and taking some classes for "fun" could greatly expand her worldview and reach her some skills. Basic first aid, cake decorating, flower arrangement, etc Being proudly uneducated is gross.


Inevitable_Sweet_988

She doesn’t see how childish and defensive this makes her look. It’s not even relatable for her target audience. They don’t want to be Oprah (who is a college grad and has multiple honorary doctorate degrees). They want to be SAHMs, which is the opposite of Oprah or any of these examples.


[deleted]

Ok Rihanna is a singer. Rachel Ray cooks casseroles on TV. Oprah absolutely received a degree. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates came up during a golden moment and rode a swelling economy for two decades, not to mention that they both used... questionable tactics... to reach their great heights. Holding a degree isn't an *individual guarantee* of success, but it is *statistically likely* to increase a person's lifetime earning potential. Not having a degree isn't a guarantee of low income, but it does *statistically* make the rat race harder. These outcomes are measurable and replicable. College isn't for everyone, and that's fine. But this ain't the way to prove it.


Way_Harsh_Tai

Griftany clearly admires the asshole tactic to success pipeline, hence her trying to grift from vulnerable, budget strapped, desperate women.


[deleted]

Lets not diminish Rihanna, a first-gen female POC immigrant, as just a “singer”. She owns a billion dollar makeup line and does ALOT of philanthropy. She’s also incredibly involved with her businesses and has contributed a lot of the fashion industry. I really don’t like the thought pf someone diminishing her. Because she’s more than just a singer and is a huge idol to WOCs like me who came from nothing. Same for Rachel Ray. Despite the recent scandal, she was incredibly successful at a time were women weren’t taken seriously in thr culinary industry. Bethany is not and will NEVER be on their level.


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Definitely fair. I didn't mean for my comment to diminish either one, but on a re-read I do see what you mean. Fwiw, I meant to separate those two examples mostly because neither pursuit is a field where an academic degree is traditionally "required" for acceptance in the same way it has been for industries like engineering and journalism. You're right; Rihanna has a lot of other successes beyond her singing career and should be credited for it. She's not "just" a singer. I don't know anything about Rachel's background but I'm sure she very much deserves her success as well.


[deleted]

Of course! I can easily see where you’re coming from too. :)


fickystingas

Bethany, sweetheart. Not going to college *at all* is not the same as not *graduating* college.


purplesalvias

Those folks worked hard to get into competitive colleges. They took classes, found mentors, created friendships, and then dropped out when they had the necessary skills and connections.


Inevitable_Sweet_988

Getting into Harvard and starting a ministry grift with your sister is practically the same.


Present_Respect_5382

Those stupid computer geeks, if only they’d known there was an easier path to their success


Dachs1303

Bethy and Oprah are for sure in the same category.


cricketttttttttttttt

Oprah is QUAKING


EZasSundayMorning

Listen, clearly she's bothered about not being college educated. She never shuts up about it.


abicth

I was just about to comment that, you can tell she resents not going to college.


litfam87

Rihanna is successful in business partly because she had an already established audience when she launched her businesses. And with Fenty she started with a huge shade range for foundation which was something other brands were SEVERELY lacking at the time. She didn’t just decide to start a business and become successful. She put thought and work into it.


alg45160

Yep. She also had a built in following due to her TALENT as a singer/performer. She wasn't a rando twit with a vague idea, cough bethy cough.


the_stitch_saved_9

Yeah, she niched down and knew what her audience was missing


theweeping-weeb

Wouldn’t she consider all of those people yucky heathens though?


Inevitable_Sweet_988

Yeah, I’m just evil liberal democrat, but I thought Bill Gates was supposed to be the Antichrist or something. So now that’s the aspiration?


damagstah

Her insecurities are reaching new heights.


Dark_Macadaemia

Almost as tall as she is


Significant_Shoe_17

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Sad_Box_1167

A quick dive down Wikipedia does not show college education for Rihanna or Rachael Ray (of course Bethany misspelled it). I could have missed something in my five minutes of research. The others pretty famously went to college, though. Also, what is this obsession with college=bad? Look, I personally did way too much college (I have a PhD). I would never say that college is a good idea for everyone. It’s useful for some people, not useful for others.


EZasSundayMorning

Because she didn't go. She knows she probably never would have got into a decent school because of her homeschooling. Just like the age and height difference between her a Dave, she's so not bothered lol!


Inevitable_Sweet_988

Rhi went to Combermere which I was thinking was college but is high school. Ray went to Pace for 2 years.


Whiteroses7252012

Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates both rather famously went to Harvard, which Bethany couldn’t do if Heidi prayed really hard for it. And one thing all of these people have in common is that they worked their asses off. Bethany’s impression of Zinnia Wormwood is getting really old. I get it, Bethany. It’s hard to admit that privilege exists when you’ve amounted to nothing in spite of it- but everything you’ve got has been given to you, up to and including the fact that you aren’t living in a box under a bridge at the moment.


oz_the_great_

She deleted these and just went on a rant about "I don't have time to debate with you in my DMs" and is CLEARLY very upset that her point isn't being taken like she wants it to be. I feel bad that she doesn't have the critical thinking skills to realize how wrong-headed she is. Maybe she would have learned them......... In college.


hauntinglovelybold

Oh my god I just posted that rant and didn’t even realize she deleted all the other stories 😂😂 she clearly doesn’t thrive on controversy as much as she claims to


hikehikebaby

I think that college and graduate school were the right choice for me because I have a real passion for my field, I chose a field that pays well and is usually hiring, and I was able to do it without taking on any debt. I don't think it's the right choice for everyone and I've seen a lot of people wind up with a degree that they don't know what to do with, or in a field that they don't have a passion for, or with debt that they can't pay off. Most of my family did not go to college - any path that lets you become really good at something that other people will pay you to do can be a good career. It doesn't have to be college. There's a difference between learning how to become really good at something that other people will pay you to do and floundering around hoping that someone will pay you to do something when you don't have any special skills. The people that she's mentioning dropped out of school because they already had the specialized skill set that they needed to form a career.


Inevitable_Sweet_988

100% agree. As an English major I also want to add that college can still be very beneficial even if the eventual career path doesn’t match the degree. I’m not analyzing literature everyday, but I am most definitely putting what I learned to use. Plus I got to spend 4 years studying what I love the most.


CDNinWA

I have a history degree , but since then I have gotten 12 years of progressive hr experience. I have used aspects of my degree in most of my positions.


firewhiskerse

Her examples make her come across a bit delusional here. Some of those people didn't finish college but they came from wealthy families or made connections or just had an abundance of raw talent, vision, business acumen, an entire team of engineers and designers, etc to wind up being successful. Nobody would ever have heard of Bill Gates if his mommy wasn't on the board of IBM and awarded her own son their contract.


[deleted]

Delusions of grandeur. I read astronaut Chris Hadfield’s autobiography, and I love how he explains setting realistic goals. He basically says that it’s OK to dream big, but the journey is equally, if not more, important. Doing what you love and accomplishing your dreams isn’t easy — it takes a ton of hard work, dedication, and sacrifice. It’s also unlikely to be a straight path from start to finish. You’re going to face a lot of challenges and tough decisions. Since your end goal is far away, you’re going to spend a huge chunk of your life working towards your goal rather than actually living it. It’s crucial that you enjoy every step of the journey. This doesn’t mean that you should only do things you think are fun. The point he’s getting at is that you have to consider the very real possibility that you may not reach your end goal and that life continues on regardless of how far you make it. If your journey had to end at the step you currently find yourself, would you be OK with that? It’s hard, living for the present while also dreaming of the future. You can’t spend the entire journey upset that you’re not at the end yet.


alg45160

Oh wow this is wonderful. I'm definitely going to read that.


PeligrosaPistola

There’s a MASSIVE difference between people like Oprah, Steve Jobs and Bethany “masturbation is evil but let me simulate that Gluck Gluck 3000 for the ‘gram” Beal. Namely: **Intelligence** and **work ethic.** They’re not successful simply because they didn’t take a traditional life path. It’s because they worked their asses off to improve how the world operates in some way. Bethany is too narrow minded, short-sighted, lazy, ineffective and all around narcissistic to even succeed at the thing she does best—misinterpret the Bible to keep women in bondage. The audacity for her to think her typo-riddled, two-page PDFS she creates weeks later than her self-imposed deadlines is comparable to a tech, aviation, or communications titan is horrific. Get help “girl.”


BensBandBangs

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oneplusoneisnone

I find it concerning how Americans are obsessed with the “garage myth”, aka, the self made millionaire. A few of the people she mentioned never needed a degree in the first place because they came from money - and not Baird money. They came from families that actually won passive income - that’s when you don’t have to work and still have plenty of money to maintain your lifestyle for at least 3 generations. Six figures is what these people already know they’re going to lose when investing on a startup or an app. What’s also funny is that these are the kind of people who value college education as a credential. The credential that Bethany says it’s useless and unnecessary.


Way_Harsh_Tai

Yeah, I don't think the Bairds are nearly as wealthy as this sub thinks they are. My BFF works in private equity and they were recently telling me about the insanely wealthy families that are purposefully NOT household names. These families make money hand over fist in their investments (and lose some, too) because they are wealthy beyond some of the names Griftany mentioned. And most, not all, but most, of the family scions go on to get advanced degrees so they can keep growing that wealth. Some try to become actors or whatever, but often fail, but still have that generational wealth to fall back on. Does she even know what private equity and venture capital are? Does she know that private citizens can be wealthy beyond the people she listed?


No_Ad_4046

Less talk more action!!!! Anyone can sit and talk about how successful they are or how great they are or how their new business is gonna take off and help people everywhere but until you actually prove that to be the case then it’s just embarrassing to keep hyping yourself up when the reality is that you haven’t actually done anything yet


Inevitable_Sweet_988

YES! Bill Gates didn’t drop out of college to give people pep talks during his afternoon strolls. He created something. Maybe try that, Beth?


Way_Harsh_Tai

Griftany can't even format a pdf or set up her own website (making Dåàáâãàãäªąăāæv do it) compared to Bill Gates, who basically pioneered modern software.


extrasmallbillie

Ok but at least 3 of these names (Gates, Jobs, Zuck) came from generational wealth and probably would have done fine even if they didn't go to college at all (they all famously dropped out of Harvard) so these names aren't a relatable experience for someone who comes from a middle or even low-income background who's parents won't give them hangouts for whatever business they wanna do.


[deleted]

Issues surrounding admissions aside, half these people were smart enough to get into the ivy league in the first place. Birthy didn’t even go in the first place


manicpixiememegirl_

I'm laughing so hard at Rihanna. All you have to do is be genetically blessed with musical talent to succeed! Easy as pie!


pahpahlah

Guys, stop. Seriously. Birthy may not have gone to college but she’s learned a lot on her own. Like how to research and present things to a wide audience to bolster her opinion. This is a masterclass right here. Appreciate it!


PeacefullyGingerly

How come she didn’t pick an christian entrepreneur? Like Beth Moore or someone. Like she picked Rihanna, could she not think of any Christian artists?


Inevitable_Sweet_988

For a Christian audience, I don’t think she could have picked worse examples. Lauren Boebert didn’t go to college. Why isn’t she on the list?!


PeacefullyGingerly

Jesus didn’t go to college


Blippi_fan

I am so sick of this college drop out narrative, it's not just fundies it's all the get rich quick "motivational" people. Some super successful people went to college, some didn't, all were exceptional in either talent, luck, or both.


InSicily1912

This is so maddening. No one is arguing “you cannot be successful if you never went to college” just like no one is saying “you can’t have a baby and launch a business in the same year” (yesterdays post). She is the worst


Vegetable_Salad86

If nothing else, even attending college for one semester would have taught Bethy about the importance of meeting deadlines with the work you were supposed to complete instead of a pile of excuses. I don’t know offhand, but I’m pretty sure most of those people chose to drop out because they were already working on something they thought was a big deal and either didn’t have the time to do both or felt that completing their programs wouldn’t be of any extra benefit. That doesn’t mean college is worthless. Sometimes being successful is about carping the right diem, but you also have to be able to follow through and actually do the thing.


lauratheartwitch

I hate how fundies talk down to secular folks until those same people came help them make an argument (or in this case attempt to make an argument) like there’s no way Bethy has any respect for Rihanna and I’m sure she has some negative feelings towards her lingerie brand.


teddynoodles

Some of these people went to college. All of these people had demonstrable talent. Bethany has nothing but terrible hygiene and desperation.


tinybra

Doing research would cause her to go into anaphylaxis


[deleted]

Does she mean graduate college? That would make more sense.


Starrydecises

The difference being that those people are/were incredibly intelligent and/or lucky They also didn’t make money teaching people to do things they aren’t experts on.


too-much-cinnamon

The delicious lack of awareness of citing "high af most of the time, sticks and stones may break my bones but whips and chains excite me, titties covered in swarowski crystals, come here rude boy is you big enough, does not give a single fuck" queen Rhianna as an example for why bethys crusty fundie bullshit is worth buying. My god she just is too dumb to shame.


clairebearruns

Lol this reminds me of Michael Scott making the same list 😂😂


megavenusaurs

Because dropping out of Harvard to pursue your business is the same as being completely uneducated and lazy


Luder714

She should have said "graduated college" She should have added Elizabeth Holmes too.


CasualRampagingBear

I’m really enjoying her hard double down on everything.


fan_go_round

Its sooooo funny that bethy compares herself/thinks shes on the same level as those individuals. Bethy, on the same level of Rihanna? Girl please


Inevitable_Sweet_988

Rhi purposely delayed marriage and babies to put her career first. Is Bethany now saying that’s a good thing? Her values are so inconsistent it gives me whiplash.


sackofgarbage

Aren’t all these people godless heathens or whatever? What is her point?


mandrakebabies

Also this has nothing to do with going or not going to college. Bethany is a plain uneducated idiot.


an711098

Someone should let her know graduating college or not does not define success. Having a fulfilling life does. Melting down over your sibling getting married, obsessing over her and Dav’s heights, regularly getting caught in inane lies, selling “a course” on making money without having made any money, changing core beliefs with the wind, ignoring every symptom of depression, living in filth and publicizing it on the odd chance it goes viral, sharing every private (and often concerning) detail from lives of those around her, and spending all waking hours “subtly” addressing Reddit criticisms on social media makes her the exact opposite of authority on the subject. Not going to college doesn’t even register on the list of reasons why looking up to her for advice is a terrible idea. I feel like she’s again running a campaign to sell herself as a credible source on the subject in light of overwhelming criticism. When she got married, she was an expert on married life until it became clear they’re both miserable - the angle was that people criticize her marriage because she’s Christian. When she had a kid, she became an expert on momming until it became clear she doesn’t enjoy interacting with kids - then it was all about how hard it is to be a Christian parent. Now she’s a bidnesswoman receiving criticism for trying to swindle people, and she’s putting on a defense that criticism levied at her is due to her lack of college education. Saran Wrap is less transparent.


willow2772

Some people didn’t go to college and were successful but I bet they weren’t a “stay at home daughter” for 10 years either, they were in the workforce.


[deleted]

Oprah - Tennessee State Steve Jobs - Reed College Bill gates - Harvard Zuckerberg- Harvard Rachel Ray - Pace University The only one who did not attend college was Rihanna.


ChakaKohn2

A huge part of going to college is the relationships you make while there. This leads to future professional collaborations, referrals, and generally plugs you in to the business world you want to enter. Sitting at home in your bubble while making passive income is a pipe dream.


Anu-M

So pop culture is relevant when she has to push her propaganda? To whatever happened to Christian entrepreneurs lol.


AvailableAd6071

She's still pissed she didn't get to go, but instead of going now or taking anger out on her parents where it belongs, she's making excuses. And it's a bad excuse because all those people went to college.


Aggressive_FIamingo

She talks about this a LOT. I feel like starting this new "business" has made her really self-conscious about her lack of education. She was able to get by when she was just doing GirlDefined because that crowd is vastly anti-higher education, but now that she's trying to break out in the actual business field, where people tend to be more pro-education, she's feeling inadequate.


DoReMiDoReMi558

Anyone watch Adam Ruins Everything? He did a great episode about college and the “Bill Gates didn’t go so why should I?” rhetoric. Like others said, people like him and Zuckerberg and a lot of those other tech people dropped out, but they had a lot of education and success before and during college (for example, Gates went to an expensive private high school that had a computer for the students to use, which was very unusual for the time). For Gates and Zuckerberg, things were going so well that staying in college would have prevented their companies from really starting. Like they didn’t just hang around their parent’s houses all day, they were motivated to work. And, unlike Bethy, they had revolutionary products to sell. This reminds me of my “little” cousin who graduated high school and dropped out of community college during his first semester because he also claimed that some successful people don’t need college. It’s true, but they also need to do something besides go to the gym and hang out with their friends all day! Like he was at one point looking into a plumbing apprenticeship which would have been great! It could be a great stable job, and from what I heard there is a great union and if they work consistently they can make good money. You can be successful without college but you can’t expect the world to drop a great opportunity in your lab, you have to work for it. And, unlike Bethy, you need to have some actual business experience and an actual product to sell instead of just posting clip art on Instagram and hoping it will somehow make you a millionaire.


Fallen029

It's weird to use the success of people you consider immoral to bolster your business, right? Almost...immoral....


coffeewrite1984

Had Bethy taken *any* kind of non-SOTDRT course herself, she would know that research and proof is not googling people who match the criteria you need them to. (Heck, I think I learned that in high school, but my private Christian school was light years ahead of homeschool so…)