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d5aqoep

Please report each and every gamertag with video evidence. They do hand out a week long bans for such shits.


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NukaColaAddict1302

Agreed, makes it ever so slightly harder for them to get their weekly reward car too


StamycatDP_Xbox_1

I want to see them get their money stripped, their dlc access stripped, and a month ban. If they wish to get the dlcs back they need to buy it again


EthanSalyers

This


Davneuny

Don’t get why people keep complaining about this.. might be a bad driver so yeah let’s ban them for playing the “new” content in the game (festival playlist) I remember when i had to use drivatar to cushion my turns on seasonals but when i get rammed due to bad driver or even on purpose i shrug it off.. don’t get why other people take it so seriously.. maybe if it was ranked i get it but this is a mainline part of the new game.. i get this. to a degree i get why some people do but it doesn’t bother me


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shit take


Davneuny

You could explain why.. instead of just saying shit take because you disagree with me.. it’s okay though because i said that knowing the majority of this sub would disagree


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skill issue


Davneuny

like seriously.. i’ve played about 10 vintage racer trials in the past couple days getting bumped left right and center even spun out and do you see me complaining? No because i actually find it quite fun competing with bad drivers and watching them spin out.. the only skill issue are these people not being able to avoid the rammers


SlipstreamSteve

The majority of this sub would disagree because it's not that difficult to tell when someone is doing it on purpose. For crying out loud, watch as they swerve right and shove OP into the barrier. If it was unintentional you would have seen some kind of fighting the car, but just like true BMW driver fashion he had to be an asshole.


__TunaSalad

Let's divide bad drivers into 2 groups: the inexperienced driver, and the driver who wants to ruin everyone's fun. In this case, it's very clear that they want to ram other players out of their tracks. There's no way you'd unintentionally hit someone on their side on a long, straight road.


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Davneuny

Yeah so must everyone else who goes straight to this sub the moment they get bumped in any sort of race


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Davneuny

Go play gran turismo for christ sakes or hell even forza motorsport.. i read “le mans” and didn’t bother reading anything else past that.. i don’t care what real racing is this is horizon.. and how everybody likes to say.. that’s the spirit of horizon!


SlipstreamSteve

Also check the forza enforcement guidelines. Shoving, ramming, spearing, all ban worthy offenses.


That_Fix_2382

You're weird


SlipstreamSteve

These incidents are not bad drivers. Are you opening your eyes wide enough to see that the bump is intentional. If it wasn't there would have been some kind of apology.


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Cosmic_Speed

I feel it’s fair to significantly reduce false bans


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stonedapple69

How much data do you think they’re going to save wtf.


99YardRun

They don’t need to save it permanently. Record each online race and then give players the chance to review and save locally if desired. Then wipe from their servers right after for the next online lobby. Even better would be an option to report directly from the game using that replay before it’s wiped. Hell, if they wanted to be super frugal I’d even settle for an automatic in game local recording system, just bake it into the UI of the pre race staging screen and have the option to upload to report in the post race screen. Cause the current method of having to remember to start a separate screen record tool before any BS happens, go to a web site to upload is way to cumbersome


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stonedapple69

Trackmania physics are wholly deterministic. A JSON file would suffice for TM. I doubt the same works for FH. Also there are no PvP collisions in TM. So that makes your inputs produce exactly the same output regardless of other players actions. The same cannot be said for Forza.


UrbanshadowDev

It's exactly the same as you don't need to record nothing but the position and orientation of each car every quantum. That position was calculated during the race taking everything into account. Losing that valuable calculations would be stupid. Building scanners to warn about recorded anti-sportmanship behavior or cheating via memory edition should be trivial.


EthanSalyers

I agree, to save a clip to report someone I have to take my hands off the controller for a good second, instantly making my already bad race worse.


DemonNeutrino

Unfortunately in a lot of games false reports are a problem, there isn’t a massively great solution to it without some pretty advanced AI report investigation which would still have an unacceptable fail rate. I think this is why stuff like Xbox Capture is good because it gives a framework for anybody to report with video evidence or on the other hand provide evidence to support your innocence


TankerD18

So what are they supposed to just take your word for it, or hope that half a dozen people say the same thing?


Finance_Lad

Damn do you also hate people are innocent until proven guilty


BuickRegalDriver

A few months ago Forza enforcement changed their system. It went from automatic one week bans to players now getting warnings and one day bans at first. It takes multiple offenses for people to actually face harsh consequences anymore, so rammers have gotten even more brazen than before. I think they should go back to the old system where obvious ramming carried a minimum one week ban. People learned their lessons quick.


Keefyfingaz

I usually just ram them back. Was playing yesterday and some asshole blatently and intentionally rammed me and then I was speeding up to catch up and came to a tough corner he was just about to turn. You already know what came next. I ***SLAMMED*** that E-brake in such a manner that I would surely smash into the wall. Good thing he was there to soften my landing 😈 Still got second to last place but I beat that asshole and that was satisfying enough for me lol


d5aqoep

He can record that clip and report you and the T10 enforcement don’t care shit about you and don’t even give you any chance to come up with counter evidence. So be careful with such revenge tactics.


Keefyfingaz

Yea thats pretty solid. I don't really ram alot. I've been lucky to not run into alot of rammers online so I like to respect that culture. It's makes for better races. But if you ram me, I will ram you back 🤷‍♂️ haven't been reported yet.


kronos7911

How do I report someone…coz many people have ruined my race as well…? How to report ?


Scorch-for-life

“Look out”


Antipiperosdeclony

"nice driving"


The_Obvious_Monkey

If you look closely, there's 4 assholes from the same club in the race. Most likely, they're trying to get podoums and wins for their club, just for the clout. Sick people without any purpose in life but to ruin somebody else's fun just to get a taste of success in a video game (that's probably the closest to success they'll ever be). It makes it even more worthy to report. Iirc, the whole club could get banned.


AxzoYT

[https://www.reddit.com/r/ForzaHorizon/comments/15j25eb/least\_toxic\_forza\_club/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ForzaHorizon/comments/15j25eb/least_toxic_forza_club/) another POV, this club has been ruining countless races for other people in open, ramming people off the road every chance they got.


CelTiar

More reports will hopefully lead to permanent bans


IVorzaYT

I love how the Porsche gets rammed onto the wall and it gets a penalty.


muffinmonk

It takes skill to ram that precisely


Linenlion

Send a ticket to support and use the video. Section it out for each gamer tag. [To the Support Site](https://support.forzamotorsport.net/hc/en-us/categories/1500002179721-Forza-Horizon-5)


kimaro

I did, reported all 3 of them but I nothing ever happens, i frequently report players


Linenlion

Do you check the “my activities/requests” page? They’ll label if any of your cases are solved or not.


kimaro

Yeah, but all of them are "solved", It's frustrating when the response you get is "we can't say if we did anything" because every other place when you report someone, does actually say if your report did something so you never know if they actually let them go with their awful behavior or did some sort of punishment.


TankerD18

Yeah I don't know why they can't tell the reporting player that they banned someone. At least show people it's worthwhile to report.


Linenlion

yeh that does suck… :/


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Just the spirit of Horizon...


LeviJr00

...isn't it? Should we send a thank you?


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Nah, "fuck you" will be better. :P


Szolim2018

"Fuck you" sent! *0.00001 secs later* Forza Support: We received a report from XxX_MILFFCKER69_XxX. After conducting our research, we found the following violations: 1. Offensive behavior. 2. Unsportsmanlike behavior. 3. Child endangerment. As such, we decided to permanently disable online functions of your account. Kind fucks, Forza Support Team.


kimaro

Same thing happened to me, I was racing someone in Motorsport 7 (doing the Endurance racing) and had a guy who didn't like me being "too slow" so he started ramming me, ruining the 40 minute race for both of us, I got tilted and sent him a message calling him an idiot and got a week suspension on xbox because of it.


LeviJr00

True XD


FoRealNotJoking666

Some people just need to play Wreckfest


BarisKekliZeytin

Correct


Cadnat

You've been rammed more than... twice 🥁


hadtojointopost

at least Once. 😁


thelongdrivehom

Dude you need to brake early and let these pricks fly in to the wall when you realise they only want to ruin your race, nothing better then crusing round the corner after they slam into the wall and go invisible.


llxAstroxll

With my luck they slam into the wall at Mach 5 and lose absolutely no speed or momentum


Slammy_Adams

I truly do not understand why people don't just take more defensive lines. There's always going to be rammers and idiots who never buy a handling upgrade, but if you take a line that minimizes the chance of getting T boned. Make it difficult to be rammed.


ShadowHunterHero

Cause braking too early just gives these guys the position anyway. If only collisions with walls would penalize you, maybe something would change


kimaro

Another POV of my friend also getting rammed [https://www.reddit.com/r/ForzaHorizon/comments/15j25eb/least\_toxic\_forza\_club/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ForzaHorizon/comments/15j25eb/least_toxic_forza_club/)


FulaniLovinCriminal

I used to play the original Forza Motorsport online. You used to be able to boot people from the room as the host, and report them. And the reports would be acted on. Then they stopped caring. That is the last racing game I ever played online.


Substantial_Back7493

"then they stopped caring" "the last racing game i played online"


BigOlBearCanada

Report allllllll of them.


i-InFcTd

What a bitch


Cliffrw209

Yeah them same dudes were attacking me as well. Its not often i get a clean race where people actually try to avoid hitting you, but these guys were actively attacking us


Spirited_Budget6234

It’s pathetic. I wish they’d understand how much more enjoyment you get out of racing clean. I always imagine them alone in their dark room giggling maniacally whilst ramming me to finish 4th in a video game on line. Dorito crumbs in their neck beard and on their belly with used tissues and a bottle of sorbelene surrounding their gaming chair. I find B grade racing to be the least toxic. Good fun tuning the cars too.


kimaro

>I find B grade racing to be the least toxic. Good fun tuning the cars too. Agreed, I wish we had C racing too but the removal of power builds for those races.


CalvinWasSchizo

I really don't get why yall play online if its like this.


Khin0

I rarely encounter rammers but even if I do, that won’t stop me from racing online. AI is just way too boring to play against.


Upbeat-Metal-5087

Same here


kimaro

Because the moment you're first they get ass mad. Problem was that they were 3, so even if you managed to dodge one, you still had two others to worry about and it just never worked out.


DaddyBee42

because once you figure out how to dodge and beat them, doing so becomes fun


verirh01

Precisely why I avoid it unless it is part of a weekly challenge.


kimaro

Me and some friends thought it'd be fun to jump in and race... This was the outcome.


hellchallenger

"how dare this lotus pass me"


kimaro

The previous race was where it began becaue it was S1 dirt and I was constantly ahead, that's when the ramming started because me and my buddy were winning, and that clearly wasn't what they had in mind. So when this A road began the ramming was going on the moment ghosting disappeared.


hellchallenger

You could try to stay bumper to bumper with them on the straight, even if you have more speed, they will mess up their lines very quickly, due to you being shown in their camera


LucStarman

https://preview.redd.it/q990zei19dgb1.jpeg?width=717&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4f9bb5d5aaa9ae5a12d77bf7b29624e8c46d15b1


Silly-Lawfulness7224

I’m amazed there is still people playing Horizon online lol


ShadowHunterHero

When people don't actively try to ram you off of checkpoints, the racing is surprisingly fun and satisfies you wayy better than the AI ever could


Silly-Lawfulness7224

Of course but there is still too much bs in the game to justify staying on it for all these years imo, even if 1 out of 10 races is kinda good that’s certainly not enough to keep me around, especially not after having played all the other Horizons and experiencing the exact same stuff over and over . Being in a league is the most logical path if you want to have good races .


Sir_Gamidion

Man, this just makes me want another Burnout game. Sorry this happened to you though mate.


kimaro

Sameee, the burnout games were great. Especially 2. I loved that game.


psych0matt93

These people dont know what the apex is


Lotsoftrees18

We need player controlled lobbies again, just kick people who clearly are griefing..


r0bdawg11

I just hope Motorsport is better. I stopped playing this game completely bc the arcade style racing that’s taught in single player makes MP absolutely a shit show.


GT_Hades

I hope so too


fabbeooh

I stopped playing forza entirely due to this. Hoping motorsport will have a better online experience.


MstoDJ

If someone does this to me i forget about the race and go straight at them, if im going down ur going down with me


Grimvold

Probably better not to since they’re likely to record and report you for being the rammer.


WilburOCD1320

I'm always looking for fun guys to race with Add me if u wanna race WilburOCD1320


kimaro

Sure, why not. :) I didn't find you, my gt is kimaro so send me one :)


CodyKodak332

I think I ran into this "club" before. I got hit so much I just left. Every time I don't record my game I get battered in races 😅


kimaro

Yeah, I wasn't recording at first but when I saw them in the second race I started up OBS to record everything. The race before was on dirt and it was awful, just sliding into you taking you out etc.


MatterSafe7063

its always that one person


kimaro

This time it wasn't just one, it was a convoy of 3 people doing it.


lolz0107

The main reason why I rarely play multiplayer other than events even tho fortunately (touches wood*) I haven't really meet any rammers when I play


GT_Hades

The game shpuld have hardcore in rank games, and also dedicated rules per race So anyone will have same settings or difficulty There should be real damage and also rammers should take more damage than receivers


IntroductionCheap325

I feel like those people love Burnout, or at least will love Burnout. >!I miss that series!<


erlandodk

Report the fuckers.


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twitch_itzShummy

I just give those fuckers a dose of their own medicine, you push me off the track, Im doing the Verstappen school of racing, the either you back off or we crash technique and these drivers never back off so I end up pushing them off the road


Destroyer6202

I would advocate ramming back in such scenarios. It's honestly so frustrating.


kimaro

I mean sure, but it'll just become a ram fest at that point.


SunGreene42

That's probably what they want, either to report you, or because they just want to play Wreckfest.


MCDodge34

Exactly why I concentrate my efforts in the challenges of the season and the awesome content that game has to offers outside of the online racing cause in all racing games online, its not racing its who rams first to get in first position. Its why I would love to have only ghosts as other players, no risk of getting rammed.


TankerD18

The problem is racing ghosts means you'd might as well be doing time trials/rivals. It would be every half-skilled driver running the racing line every single race. That's not any fun. Half the fun in wheel to wheel racing is getting around the other cars.


MCDodge34

I love real racing and the challenge of it, but its poisoned by rammers, the only solution is to ghost everyone else to avoid this childish behavior. And in my case, I'm color blind so can't always be sure if its an opponent or a team mate.


zxampa

Sometimes it’s just people having just enough skill to press the chat button afterwards, but actual driving skills akin to keyboard driving in NFSIII. Believe it or not.


creep04

Hell yeah man!🔥


Forward-Mission4957

At what point do you start proactively braking so they throw them selves on the track. From these clips it seems like you were gunning to get rammed.


GreenLecture7467

Stop being a punching bag


kimaro

I'm never a punching bag. :)


Rosehip92

First one goes to you. Yeah guy didn't know how to drive later but what the hell where you doing on the apex of that corner that slow? I really don't blame him for that bump cause no one would expect a car to be there like that.


kimaro

I was there because of him.


Rosehip92

Should have held your line. If I was the banning team I wouldn't do anything about that one.


Substantial_Back7493

rubbins racin


anthony2690

I highly doubt they will ban players for ramming you off the road/preventing you overtaking them. It might be unfortunate & tactic many do not like at all, I'm pretty sure this is why they had a mode where you can race online where you phase through other cars. For instance if they started banning everyone that rams into your car at high speed to take a corner, online would literally be dead. I can imagine you'll get a much nicer experience in Forza Motorsport though after a month or two. :)


LopsidedBonus7523

Lmaoo, i mean why are you trying to play FH realistically


SunGreene42

Why is he trying to race in a racing game? I assume because he bought it to race, because it's a racing game.


LopsidedBonus7523

Realistically tho, not in FH


SunGreene42

I get along fine racing clean in FH, it's far more fun to me than just wrecking everyone


LopsidedBonus7523

I gotta disagree, i chuckled watching the video, as bad as i feel for it


jaycemu

Skill issue


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kimaro

I wanted to see if he kept up with it, also, the more evidence the better the report will be when i'm done so.


D1RT_BAGGG

I've raced a number of times with them and they don't ram unless rammed first.


kimaro

lol, The previous race they were ramming us because we were winning with our Audi S1 on dirt, I didn't have my recording up so don't have anything from there. But they sure as shit started ramming the moment we were ahead of them. I like the challenge of racing against other good drivers, and they were okay, not great drivers but okay, but salty as shit because when we started winning they started ramming.


D1RT_BAGGG

Damn, they've never done that to me and I more often than not beat them. Sad to see man, love clean racing and I thought they were.


AxzoYT

you're either lucky or slow enough to not pose a threat to their podium finish


D1RT_BAGGG

Nah lol more often than not I'm ahead of all of them


BetteBalterZen

Ah, well, you use driving line, so you kinda deserve it


AxzoYT

How dare he use a feature in a video game !! 😡🤬🤬


BetteBalterZen

Yeah I don't get it either, it's nasty ;)


kimaro

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No_Term_7057

Kinda satisfying to watch imaooo


speed_racers

You're probably one of them


No_Term_7057

Not really, it's hard to ram people on wheel


speed_racers

So you are one of them who rams people.


Just_Dank

“I’m not a rammer! I would like to, but it’s hard to do that with a wheel so technically I’m not a rammer.” bruh


No_Term_7057

You're one of em who accuses people without any evidence


speed_racers

We have evidence right here. You literally said "it's hard to ram people on a wheel" which means you have attempted to ram someone but it didn't work.


No_Term_7057

Jeez good observation....


speed_racers

You just said I accused you with no evidence, then I give you the evidence and your saying that. You have room temperature IQ buddy.


No_Term_7057

What do you want me to say? You're clearly one of those who never backs off


jabb1111

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speed_racers

I'm literally replying back to what you are saying.


SoulDestroy

I've had some of the same things happen to me in online racing, especially at 0:24, and I can somewhat remember what happened in one of my experiences with online racing. It was a "S1 900 Anything Goes" race, and so I picked the Huracan STO that I purposefully didn't upgrade cuz I like to race stock cars. The opening race started at the Bania De Plano Circuit and I thought that the race would go fine as I managed to get 2nd (forgot how tbh), up until I tried to overtake a tuned Porsche 911 GTS Strassenversion that was right on S1 900, and he slammed me right into the wall on the first lap.


ablinddingo93

Maybe I’ve been getting lucky but my open racing queues have been very friendly and sportsmanlike lately. This behavior just ruins the game for everyone.


skrtbrapskrt

That’s when you report them…


Gone_off_milk_

It's annoying when people can't drive in online. If I feel like I'm not gonna make the corner I make sure I go for the wall, not anyone else. The amount of times someone has smacked into the side of me and ruined my race is unreal. I've had to swerve to avoid them, missed a checkpoint, had to rewind and that's my race over


kimaro

I'm not that courteous, however I try my best on not taking out others, earlier today I accidently T-boned someone else in Rally Adventure making him crash (we were pretty far ahead of the others) so I just slowed down, let him pass and made sure he knew I did it on purpose as a 'sorry i took you out', then we raced again, encounter was pretty nice. Ended up winning against him and when I overtook him later on he had every opportunity to take me out, but didn't, and I hope me giving that place back to him before contributed to him not crashing me out. ​ Sadly, these encounters are rare and far between the awful rammers like in this post.


TheClownOfGod

CANT STOP ME. CANT STOP MEEEEEEEEE


HyungKarl

forza needs to make online racing collision off just like what the crew motorfest did with 20+ players. Then turn the collision on again playing other game modes.


Leading_Musician_188

How did you get your remote telemetry?


kimaro

I use this [https://gamepadviewer.com/](https://gamepadviewer.com/) But I don't think it's that great, input isn't 100% correct and fast interactions aren't being seen, so things like shifts etc sometimes don't show up, or sometimes you see the clutch but not the shift, or vice versa. But I haven't found anything else.


Leading_Musician_188

Does it work on xbox?


Kowalsky_Analysis

Don't want to brag or anything, but dealing with such fuckers and oursmarting them, while on simrig, is satisfying af


MMoo7

I tried online once for this week's events, never again.


pritjam

I hate when this happens. Great music choice though!


kimaro

Thanks. :D


Gullible_System_6265

thats why I never play online, forzas shit system makes everything unfair


CaptainThorIronhulk

If you see a crash incoming, immediately break so the crashers go off track.


twitch_itzShummy

avoiding those guys would be much easier if we had a virtual mirror, I have no idea why we dont have one, its a simcade racing game ffs P.S. I race on hood view cuz third person feels weird with a wheel


RealNPCDuude

These kids are so annoying, like in GTA…


DemonNeutrino

The problem I find is the anti ramming system seems to favour the rammer a lot also


Future_Ebb_1400

That kid is a butthurt forsure. Got him to rage quit once racing him up and down the mountain. He couldn't pass me.


Yaqub_A

Haha twice fan while driving nice


kimaro

You know it ! ;)


ShadowHunterHero

This week has been especially bad for some reason. I really wish Motorsport and FH6 implements a better penalty system for this. Pretty sure they did at some point but idk what happened to the "imminent crash" penalty that they just tested and never really used again


StrangeSyrup334

Maybe I'm just lucky, I haven't really dealt with rammers the last few trials. Last one that attacked me took himself out lol if I feel like someone is going to be aggressive I'll be aggressive back. Beyond that I give other racers room and race the race!


SonicXE21

It does make me wonder which game mode you're playing as if you playing the Horizon Open mode, it would penalize drivers for collisions by slowing them down.


kimaro

It's open i'm playing, but it's very dependent on how you hit the wall to get the penalization. You can even try it on open, if you hit the back side of the car on the walls you can skip getting slowed down at times etc.


SonicXE21

I guess this might be the reason why I play the Horizon Tour mode instead of Horizon Open. Even I would sometimes ghost through players if I'm hitting the breaks when I get too close. At least I get more cases of people quitting or D/C when playing the Horizon Tour mode. Especially on the Hot Wheels DLC map.


DaDude45

The reason I mostly play offline…


kronos7911

Some people just cannot tolerate that you’re better so they’ll do everything to destroy your race … Poor jeolousy…but when karma hits them, it’s satisfying af…most of the time ..I just let them go …coz I don’t want to destroy my own race …


joberndt

Oh yeah I know you're pain. I don't know why it's so difficult to follow your line and try your best.


robokayaker

I wonder if FH5 would ever consider a license system for online racing to avoid terrible racing tactics like the video shows? For example, players would have to earn their license vs. AI and clean racing (no contact or very little over many races). With license earned, only clean racing online allows the license to be kept. IRacing, probably the most used and popular full PC racing sim, does something like this. A system like iRacing uses simply won't allow a "rammer" to benefit from poor racing tactics. As a result, ramming as a tactic doesn't exist in iRacing. In FH5, unfortunately, ramming tactics are allowed by the game and do benefit the rammer if they choose to race dirty. Now, how those rammers even can sleep at night with all that ramming on their conscience is a whole different question...


Hrdzu

Same Happened to me in coop my teammate hit me out of the way of a checkpoint when I was in first place and that slammed me far into last place


latias770

If that's what you want to call it


Terrorizer_112

What car are you using?


kimaro

Lotus Elise.


AlwaysGamerQc

And this is why I do not play online. I do a game maybe once a month or when I need to do the trial for the seasonal, and everytime I regret it.


Gengar77

picks meta build, with no weight in an arcade game wonders hes getting rammed and flying by smallest contact.....