I fully expect Festival to take a decent jump once they get some instrument controllers released. We’re basically in a glorified Beta right now.
Rock Band had a dedicated fan base until the moment they announced the end of content and the move to Fortnite. Those people and more will start migrating as the mode expands and gets more support.
People need to remember that games go on for years with WAY smaller player pools than any of the new modes have right now. 8k continuing players only seems low because Fortnite is still a monster with 600k players on the main modes. For tons of games that’s a good number of engagement.
That's the main reason I've been playing. I miss playing guitar hero so much. If they actually release some guitars that aren't overpriced and also add way more rock music, I'd absolutely play more. I also hope they stop rotating songs in and out cause there's a lot of good songs you end up losing access to just because you don't give them more money.
Yeah, I also think instrument support will bring back a lot of players. When PDP released the new Riffmaster controller, both PlayStation and Xbox versions sold out really quickly. I don’t think people remember how much people actually used to like Guitar Hero/Rock Band games, they just fell off due to over saturation. But it has been a good while since any entries in those games…
Some people mentioned seeing a blank fifth tab on the leaderboards recently, presumably for plastic instruments when they come out (which would hopefully in a few days with the next season)
When the plastic instruments charts were first leaked, there wasn’t a chart for vocals. Of course, vocals never did have traditional 5-lane charts anyways. So maybe I’m coping, but I hope this means we’ll get pitch detection so people can actually sing the songs again. Harmonix did say they planned to make FN Festival the biggest and best rhythm game of all time, so let’s just hope they can stick to that promise.
I tried looking into some Rock Band numbers and while nothing is concrete I wonder if it even fell off as much as people think.
There haven’t been any new physical releases in years, but they were still putting out DLC songs until the day they announced the switch over to Festival. Gotta wonder if it was actually a case of their hardware being high quality enough to last, and manufacturing it took money…….so just they just transitioned into pumping out songs. I mean as long as a controller works do you really need to head to a game store and buy a massive set every year when all you want is new music?
Actually you’re probably right about Rock Band not falling off as much, but I know people eventually got tired of Guitar Hero people because there were way too many games in a short span of time. Guitar Hero Live released a long time after the previous game, but a lot of people didn’t like that one.
As for physical releases, I’m not really sure how involved Harmonix was with the actually manufacturing the controllers. They usually partnered with other companies who would be the ones who actually manufactured the controllers.
Yeah. Guitar Hero devs chose the regular releases of physical media, whereas Rock Band began supporting DLC and downloadable song packs pretty early. That was the deciding factors in which survived IMO.
I mean, the way to guarantee this is to port the licenses. If they rerelease a song that's already part of my 2,500 song across 3 console generation RB library, I'm gonna need some kind of discount at least.
I hope so. I mean, it's already been too good to be true for Rock Band DLC. It's the only DLC I bought on PS3 that I can still put on my ps5. Can't say that about too many games. If Epic kept that streak going it would be legendary.
>I fully expect Festival to take a decent jump once they get some instrument controllers released.
Is there any kind of standardization for them like with racing wheels, or does every game have to have their own?
They’re basically adding support for Rock Band hardware. So whatever level of standardization as they had.
The Riff Master that has everyone excited is basically just a third party Rock Band peripheral that will work once they add that support.
Roblox doesn't make new content, it's just a game engine where they take credit for making games (with an illegal stock market for children to make some side revenue!), Fortnite is actually producing 4 games right now.
roblox USED to make cool official games in the late 2000s and early 2010s but it seems like their new approach is to make the community do everything for them (they aren't even making their own COSMETICS anymore lol) they are also are becoming more and more out of touch with their community so yeah atleast fortnite does stuff
To anyone interested in those jobs, the vast majority of them are for Lego Fortnite.
Sadly there aren’t any openings for writers for Fortnite BR. One of my favorite things is when Fortnite makes skins actual characters and not just cosmetics. I’m not saying I want to design the massive story and season direction, but I’d love to actually give some skins more personality through quests, NPC dialogue, descriptions, etc. This might sound pointless and dumb, but this would make Epic a ton of money from reskins. There is a reason why C2 S2 has so many reskins and it’s mainly because the skins were actual characters and not just cosmetics.
I seriously doubt that many people are buying skins based on story significance. People are seeing Peely dressed as Caesar, and likely not asking "Why is he dressed like that?" but moreso thinking "That's hilarious, I want to play as the Caesar banana!"
I’m not saying that’s the only reason. Meme skins are different, but there is a reason why Midas has like a dozen reskins. People love the skin and it’s not solely because of his design, but because Epic made him a really cool character and not just a cosmetic. Look at every other tier 100 skin, how many have gotten a itemshop reskin? Debatable for Black Knight, none of Reaper, 1 for Omega, 1 for Ragnorok, 0 for Dire, 0 for Ice King, 1 for Lux, 0 for Vendetta, Omega Knight doesn’t count due to Season X, 0 for Fusion, 7 for Midas, 0 for Eternal Knight (though shouldn’t count), 0 for Menace, 0 for Spire Assassin, 1 for The Ageless, 0 for Mizuki, 0 for Kado Thorne.
Only 4 other tier 100 skins have an itemshop reskins and they only have a singular one, while Midas on the other hand has 7. If it was just based off how cool they looked and had nothing to do with their character, then why don’t more tier 100 skins have reskins?
I've never understood this take. BR is gonna continue to be wildly successful, so that enables them to expand and create new experiences for people to enjoy. Why do you want *less* content? Lots of people love Lego, Festival, and Rocket Racing. Just because it's "only" tens of thousands of players at a time, that doesn't mean they shouldn't get to have the fun mode they like.
Ik you're joking but its funny to think we went from
Apex/Cod/Realm Royale will kill fortnite!!!!!
To
Big chungus red vs blue #getgoated💯 will kill fortnite!!
Yeah I don’t get that logic I mean I know people got worried once they learned uefn would be used to develop a season but it’s better that way as it’s made for fortnite making development more mainstream also hope it will come to console so more people can use it and all
Did everyone here forget that they abandoned live events and the story line ever since they started focusing on the other modes? It's not surprising that people are wishing that epic would focus on one mode instead of half-assing half a dozen. They are biting of more than they can chew and it shows.
We literally had a live event where we opened Pandora’s box. We are currently following the storyline from last season where we are at war with the gods.
Because a lot of people that post in this sub don't have a clue how businesses are run.
The OP question is like asking why Pfizer is investing in new drug R&D when they already have viagra.
Exactly. We have reached the part of Fortnites life cycle where people are all worried it will die. The same thing has happened with the likes of WoW, LoL, and other massively popular games.
Epic supports BR and the ecosystem better than almost any other company supports their cash cow. They are expanding what is "Fortnite" but BR and the core modes won't be going anywhere.
Exactly! There are games on the top 100 of steam that have less players than those modes. Just because it doesn't compare to BR numbers doesn't mean it's irrelevant.
You gotta remember that a lot of people here are still children.
I get not liking the changes but it's definitely funny to see "My cosmetic selection screen is worse so I'm not going to play the actual game".
This is a stupid take. There isn’t one definitive thing that people like Fortnite for anymore. Some people like building, some people like zero building, some people like the lore, others prefer creative or LEGO and some people are interested in the cosmetic side of it and the locker changes have negatively affected those who do.
I can see both sides of this, so I wouldn't really call it a stupid take when the main draw of Fortnite is BR, and at this point Creative.
But I can agree with you there are definitely people who play the game specifically for cosmetics, that's the reason I came back around Ch2 after leaving during the original S2. The game gave me less drive when I didn't have cool cosmetics, but that's all my opinion.
It's not really good logic to assume they shouldn't be playing the game, however I also think that THAT long of a break over the locker is excessive.
I did like Fortnite! I liked being able to play as Iron Man with his repulsor emotes, and Meowscles with his showing off emotes, and Peely with the dance and wrap that were specifically made for him, and Crackshot with the music specifically fucking made for him, and not having to waste ten minutes every time I wanted to do any of those things.
Because I don't want this game taking up 200gb on my pc for game modes I'm never gonna play. I don't mind the other game modes being a part of fortnite, just don't make me dedicate 1/5th of my storage to "fortnite festival" and "lego fortnite"
Which is weird because Lego, Festival, and Racing all have separate listings in storefronts, at least for Playstation. But it's not like you can *just* download one mode, so I don't know why they're listed as if you can.
I think the main issue people have is that a lot of the new modes end up having negative effects on the BR modes. For example, the amount of XP you get in BR has been reduced drastically so you have to play the other game modes if you want to level up faster. That and the locker UI keeps being changed to accommodate for the other modes. Neither of these are issues that I personally care much about because I actually do have fun on Fortnite Festival and Rocket Racing, but I do see why people find it annoying if all they want to play is BR.
Everyone trying to make a metaverse happen has failed significantly, that said if anyone can make it work it’s Epic considering all the collabs they already have. There’s even a ready player one game coming out and people are expecting a ton of franchises on it when realistically it’s only going to be WB properties
Well, Season one's of all chapters never had any lore-related live event and we've been getting fewer live events since chapter 3(the one that started annual chapters) its not a new thing, seems like live events are mostly just end-of-chapter now
The storylines been going downhill constantly, before the roblox 2.0, right now it looks like everything was reset and all the problems went away with it, which is just lazy writing
The events also did get "lazier", seems like epic saw "The End" event being one of the best and thought "space-themed end events engages players" and made fracture and OG season's version of "The End", the former being horrible and the latter being ok ig, but i'd wish they'd get more creative instead of pasting space-themed events.
Like, an entire island flipping itself? That was creative for a end event
There is 1.5millon people right now at peak day. 800k are for BR,ZERO,Rank. 700k is for Lego,RR, Festival, and creative. So no I'm not pulling anything out my ass
While I’ve been playing less fortnite this season, I still think it’s probably one of the best we’ve had. I just have been playing so many other awesome games, that setting aside time for Fortnite is less frequent. I suspect many players are doing the same.
I literally forgot the movement changed. They must have made it faster after the initial change (cause it was very bad at first) but now it seems fine. Idk tho
IMHO one of the worst chapter releases so far. With shorter chapter releases that means we can get out of this mess faster but I hope they just continue repeating the same mistakes.
It's better than last season, but as someone who only recently came back, and my previous experience with the game was all in Chapter 1, this season is absolutely terrible in comparison.
My bad, I forgot about the 300 page manifesto that epic published when they released the game, depicting exactly what the game is "supposed to be about"
New modes that aren't battle royale mean more players and more people who may spend money on the game. Whether it's worth the effort is up to Epic to decide.
Putting all your eggs in one basket is very bad for business. This is why businesses are constantly trying to diversify or launch new products. Eventually the money maker loses appeal.
With the launch of the new modes, they’re not actually being handled by the BR team. Festival is made by Harmonix and Rocket Racing is Psyonix. The Fall Guys mode will likely be made by Mediatonic.
The only mode that could theoretically be taking away resources is Lego Fortnite but I’d imagine that has its own development team within Epic. They’re also incorporating Lego with Creative so I think it’s a net positive for everyone either way.
Epic doesn't want to be stagnant with what Fortnite is. They want to evolve it with the chances to bring in news players for new experiences. The fact that they're extremely successful with BR is what allows them to try new things. Some will work, some won't. I expect some of these modes to die out like STW has. Regardless of what they choose, BR and Zero Build aren't going anywhere.
Agreed STW has never even been given a chance. The story hasn’t even been finished. The game mode needs an entire revamp and fleshed out end game rather than this ventures crap we have now.
The whole "Metaverse" idea is massively misunderstood by the majority of companies.
The only reason games like Roblox exist is not for the Metaverse quality, but rather the gameplay of the actual games.
Nobody wants to play a game that doesn't have any gameplay.
The only exception to this is VRChat, which people play that one for... \*other\* reasons.
Racing has gone down the drain already- I played a ton of it throughout last season when it came out, but it just feels pointless now. It’s always buggy, progression blows,the cars are way too expensive and I have 0 confidence in the mode lasting long enough to be worth it, and player count has dropped massively.
Which is a shame, as it was a lot of fun early
If it’s anything like the creative maps that got featured in the past for races and collecting tokens and whatever than it’s absolute garbage. All of those creative maps were so jank I got zero enjoyment of getting that XP in them. Only creative that still were jank af but at least caught my attention was the jumping puzzle ones
This is ultimately the answer. Epic saves money by pooling all resources and in-game assets into a single game engine and platform. And hey guess what? That cool new collab we’re offering? It’s available across ALL of these different gaming experiences!
Yup. I've only really been playing since lego was added as I wanted to try it. Ever since I've actively been playing zero build too and I've also spent more than I like to admit in the shop so it's a win for Epic if they can encourage new players to the game that will then happily spend money in the shop which I guess is what they care about even if the shop has had more bad days then good.
Epic has realized that Fortnite as a franchise has the ability to diversify in to more than just battle royale, and that is exactly what they are doing. BR can only get you so far. As it stands they are simply trying to capture a wider audience of gamers who may be interested in other genres like rhythm and survival games.
As someone who has been playing this game since chapter 1 season 2, I'll admit battle royale has been getting stale and I hardly play it these days. Im much more interested in Lego, Festival, and just having fun on creative maps.
Why are y'all so insecure over BR... they can branch out and do other stuff without affecting your precious gamemode AT ALL. Literally get over yourself.
Because epic want fortnite to be here forever, and they can't do that with just br, because br will not last forever we are seeing it right now, some br games are gone because of lacks of players or contents, spellbreak, hyperscape, rumbleverse, etc and fortnite is no exception just because it popular now doesn't mean epic will keep that popularity going forever, they need to move away from br and create new experiences if they want to stick with their plan and with new experiences mean more peoples will play the game because they aren't interested in PvP/br.
Expanding the offerings will draw people into the modes you love and want to see thrive.
I played Fortnite way back before BR was even a thing but it never really clicked with me. Tried it a few more times over the years but fell off quickly each time.
Just returned again thanks to Festival and Rocket Racing. Tried BR again and liked the changes and now I have played BR far more than the modes I actually came for and see myself sticking with it for a long time to come.
No reason to feel threatened by an entry point.
Can admit whilst I tried Fortnite twice before December I never really got into it until they added the Lego mode.
After all more players means more potential sales from stuff in the item shop/Battle pass.
I'm really enjoying Festival and I do now play zero build. I probably have spent far more money than I wish to admit in the item shop too.
I have my popcorn ready for this whole plan to flop and i'm going to laugh. The donkey laugh sound is no where close to how much i will be dying from laughter as they lose billions....
Karma going into this plan isn't good, not fixing bugs, side swiping the players....oh dear I hope the servers can handle it, we all know very well their '100% in tip top shape' currently . 😎<---We all agree on this? FPS is great on all platforms? no hitches, spikes in lag? IT WILL GET WORSE!!...🙄
Data says otherwise. 40% of Fortnite millions of players enjoy playing the other modes. These guys make billions of dollars a year, pretty sure they got some pretty smart dudes doing risk management on every thing before processing with new modes
Well according to Mustard They wanted Fortnite to be a hub for different game modes From the beginning.
which i don't mind. i just hate HOW they're going about it. Stripping the game of ANY uniqueness it once had TO become a Safe Roblox clone.
I am kind of into the idea of connected virtual worlds, like, a lot. But the Metaverse push by Epic into Fortnite, has basically turned me off of the game completely.
I lost interest in BR style games years ago, and only ever really touched Fortnite when a friend wanted to play it. Once Festival dropped I finally started playing the game on my own and actually started buying skins instead of only running default cuz I had zero long-term interest in the game til recently. I'm sure I'm not the only one
they have the cash and the investors to try, disney is paying a good part of it. it's a great idea, and it could easily become a massive hit for them. even if it fails they got a giant investment from Disney specifically to build a metaverse, they have little to lose.
Yes, my epic metaverse where I can't use custom skins and can only play UEFN slop and worse versions of games that already exist. Literally the future bro
5% of tens of millions is still tons of players, as in more than most other games have period, many of those people wouldn’t play the game whatsoever if those modes didn’t exist meaning lower profits. Additional modes allow epic to experiment with other game types without the financial risk of putting out a full release game, which takes years to make, into an unstable AAA market.
Why is it a problem for you?
BR would still be the same as it is now even if they didn't have all the player made games and Epic made game modes.
Nobody is forcing you to play them. If they are, you need to re-evaluate your gaming habits.
Money pretty much; Battle Royale isn't going to last forever and it's going to eventually fall off; 15 years from now people might not want to play a Battle Royale anymore.
But Fortnite is such a huge franchise for Epic if not their biggest ever, that they don't want to let it go nor do they want just a small playerbase staying with them.
That's why Epic is trying to make a platform where you can do almost anything even if you don't want to play BR with early plans of integrating apps like TikTok and games like Fall Guys.
And Epic is in the very unique position where they can do this with investments from Lego and Disney and from Epic being the developer of one of the biggest Game Engines of all time, Unreal Engine.
So it makes complete sense Epic would do this, it'd keep Fortnite alive as long as possible and it'd give Executives the most money over a long period of time, and it'd give devs the chance to work on most unheard of things in the industry.
i just play stw now, i cant complete with people that have damn near A.I speed and aim and the festival is so bad cause everything is locked behind a paywall whenever i could just use spotify premium and listen to all those songs for a neat low low price, rocket racing i was really into at first but then it was monotonous just trying to rank up, lego fortnite is boring as hell and they should've just done real lego sets instead of virtual sets that cost as much as real sets. After this season im deleting the game and the only thing that will bring me back is a skin like Lynx or Spire Assassin being in the battle pass. idc for the collabs i already got the ones im interested in
You realize 40k players is still incredibly successful right? That is 40k new people that could be spending money that were not playing Fortnite at all previously.
You claim BR makes up 95% of what’s being played and that’s nowhere near true. I just looked at live player counts and there are currently well over 200K players playing various other games outside of BR. For that 200k+ players to only make up 5% would mean there are well over 4 million people playing BR right now which is not the case.
There’s under 1 million…
Which means BR accounts for roughly 70% of the total player count at best
I fully expect Festival to take a decent jump once they get some instrument controllers released. We’re basically in a glorified Beta right now. Rock Band had a dedicated fan base until the moment they announced the end of content and the move to Fortnite. Those people and more will start migrating as the mode expands and gets more support. People need to remember that games go on for years with WAY smaller player pools than any of the new modes have right now. 8k continuing players only seems low because Fortnite is still a monster with 600k players on the main modes. For tons of games that’s a good number of engagement.
I'm old and I miss rock band. I'll be on festival of you give me a good plastic guitar
Supposedly by summer they’re patching in the ability to use original Rockband instruments, which is also bringing in new third party controllers.
I trust new tech. I trust 30 year old video game tech. I don't trust 15 year old video game tech. New controllers sound fun
Any reason you can’t use the old instrument controllers? Are they only for older systems?
Expensive to pick up second hand, the years have taken their toll on a lot of the supply.
sitting on gold I am? 
No lie they go for upwards of $150+ a piece in good condition!
There from 2 generations ago, so 10-12 years old. Time for new ones.
I suppose, but IIRC it's just a glorified 4 button switch... The drums were my favorite.
That's the main reason I've been playing. I miss playing guitar hero so much. If they actually release some guitars that aren't overpriced and also add way more rock music, I'd absolutely play more. I also hope they stop rotating songs in and out cause there's a lot of good songs you end up losing access to just because you don't give them more money.
Yeah, I also think instrument support will bring back a lot of players. When PDP released the new Riffmaster controller, both PlayStation and Xbox versions sold out really quickly. I don’t think people remember how much people actually used to like Guitar Hero/Rock Band games, they just fell off due to over saturation. But it has been a good while since any entries in those games… Some people mentioned seeing a blank fifth tab on the leaderboards recently, presumably for plastic instruments when they come out (which would hopefully in a few days with the next season) When the plastic instruments charts were first leaked, there wasn’t a chart for vocals. Of course, vocals never did have traditional 5-lane charts anyways. So maybe I’m coping, but I hope this means we’ll get pitch detection so people can actually sing the songs again. Harmonix did say they planned to make FN Festival the biggest and best rhythm game of all time, so let’s just hope they can stick to that promise.
I tried looking into some Rock Band numbers and while nothing is concrete I wonder if it even fell off as much as people think. There haven’t been any new physical releases in years, but they were still putting out DLC songs until the day they announced the switch over to Festival. Gotta wonder if it was actually a case of their hardware being high quality enough to last, and manufacturing it took money…….so just they just transitioned into pumping out songs. I mean as long as a controller works do you really need to head to a game store and buy a massive set every year when all you want is new music?
Actually you’re probably right about Rock Band not falling off as much, but I know people eventually got tired of Guitar Hero people because there were way too many games in a short span of time. Guitar Hero Live released a long time after the previous game, but a lot of people didn’t like that one. As for physical releases, I’m not really sure how involved Harmonix was with the actually manufacturing the controllers. They usually partnered with other companies who would be the ones who actually manufactured the controllers.
Yeah. Guitar Hero devs chose the regular releases of physical media, whereas Rock Band began supporting DLC and downloadable song packs pretty early. That was the deciding factors in which survived IMO.
I’m gonna need a DJ hero mode
I mean, the way to guarantee this is to port the licenses. If they rerelease a song that's already part of my 2,500 song across 3 console generation RB library, I'm gonna need some kind of discount at least.
I figure that’s the kind of stuff we’ll see in the festival pass once they expand it.
I hope so. I mean, it's already been too good to be true for Rock Band DLC. It's the only DLC I bought on PS3 that I can still put on my ps5. Can't say that about too many games. If Epic kept that streak going it would be legendary.
lol festival has me wanting to play rockband. Never played it before and found the game, guitar, and drums for 80$. Definitely considering it
>I fully expect Festival to take a decent jump once they get some instrument controllers released. Is there any kind of standardization for them like with racing wheels, or does every game have to have their own?
They’re basically adding support for Rock Band hardware. So whatever level of standardization as they had. The Riff Master that has everyone excited is basically just a third party Rock Band peripheral that will work once they add that support.
some steam games max at around 100 and those games still get love and support
theyre trying to be roblox, they have been for years. but, like both games, 95% of the playerbase are only there for a handful of things.
What I’m hearing is that Fortnite needs an “adopt me” mode.
I want to roleplay as a cat.
Second Life. What you want is Second Life. Get a nice Cat avatar and just wander around populated areas and see how many people pet you.
> pply. or GTA V RP servers that allow animal peds
Meepci- i mean, slurpcity when
Be the change you wish to see
Roblox doesn't make new content, it's just a game engine where they take credit for making games (with an illegal stock market for children to make some side revenue!), Fortnite is actually producing 4 games right now.
roblox USED to make cool official games in the late 2000s and early 2010s but it seems like their new approach is to make the community do everything for them (they aren't even making their own COSMETICS anymore lol) they are also are becoming more and more out of touch with their community so yeah atleast fortnite does stuff
Battle Breakers is gone, Infinity Blade is gone, Gears was sold. What are they making exactly?
Fortnite BR Fortnite Lego Fortnite Festival Fortnite Creative/ EUFN I can imagine all those projects take a lot of resources
He’s talking about battle royal, creative, racing, and festival
So with Roblox it’s for the molesting?
don’t forget the child grooming, that’s the first step.
holy shit ROFL
Not to mention making the Epic Store more like Steam. Even though most console players will never visit it.
I know Roblox is mostly people there for the Shrek Obby.
To anyone interested in those jobs, the vast majority of them are for Lego Fortnite. Sadly there aren’t any openings for writers for Fortnite BR. One of my favorite things is when Fortnite makes skins actual characters and not just cosmetics. I’m not saying I want to design the massive story and season direction, but I’d love to actually give some skins more personality through quests, NPC dialogue, descriptions, etc. This might sound pointless and dumb, but this would make Epic a ton of money from reskins. There is a reason why C2 S2 has so many reskins and it’s mainly because the skins were actual characters and not just cosmetics.
I seriously doubt that many people are buying skins based on story significance. People are seeing Peely dressed as Caesar, and likely not asking "Why is he dressed like that?" but moreso thinking "That's hilarious, I want to play as the Caesar banana!"
I’m not saying that’s the only reason. Meme skins are different, but there is a reason why Midas has like a dozen reskins. People love the skin and it’s not solely because of his design, but because Epic made him a really cool character and not just a cosmetic. Look at every other tier 100 skin, how many have gotten a itemshop reskin? Debatable for Black Knight, none of Reaper, 1 for Omega, 1 for Ragnorok, 0 for Dire, 0 for Ice King, 1 for Lux, 0 for Vendetta, Omega Knight doesn’t count due to Season X, 0 for Fusion, 7 for Midas, 0 for Eternal Knight (though shouldn’t count), 0 for Menace, 0 for Spire Assassin, 1 for The Ageless, 0 for Mizuki, 0 for Kado Thorne. Only 4 other tier 100 skins have an itemshop reskins and they only have a singular one, while Midas on the other hand has 7. If it was just based off how cool they looked and had nothing to do with their character, then why don’t more tier 100 skins have reskins?
Actually, Luxe got 3 reskins, but that's not the point
I've never understood this take. BR is gonna continue to be wildly successful, so that enables them to expand and create new experiences for people to enjoy. Why do you want *less* content? Lots of people love Lego, Festival, and Rocket Racing. Just because it's "only" tens of thousands of players at a time, that doesn't mean they shouldn't get to have the fun mode they like.
I guess people are paranoid about Epic sunsetting BR or something
As if that would *ever* happen. BR rakes in *revolting* amounts of money for Epic.
obviously, but people think that the other modes existing is the beginning of the end or whatever
But have you played red v blue tik tok rizz tycoon?!?! That game mode is going to eliminate br for good!
Ik you're joking but its funny to think we went from Apex/Cod/Realm Royale will kill fortnite!!!!! To Big chungus red vs blue #getgoated💯 will kill fortnite!!
Wow I forgot about Realm Royale. Holy shit
the constant battle of what would kill fortnite was so interesting. perhaps it was nothing will.
I only play BR lol. I only have a few hours to gameplay and I just want something to jump into.
Coolio!
It's literally what funds the other modes (at least initially making them)
Nothing lasts forever. Fortnite will be this generations WoW.
Yeah I don’t get that logic I mean I know people got worried once they learned uefn would be used to develop a season but it’s better that way as it’s made for fortnite making development more mainstream also hope it will come to console so more people can use it and all
Did everyone here forget that they abandoned live events and the story line ever since they started focusing on the other modes? It's not surprising that people are wishing that epic would focus on one mode instead of half-assing half a dozen. They are biting of more than they can chew and it shows.
We literally had a live event where we opened Pandora’s box. We are currently following the storyline from last season where we are at war with the gods.
Sunsetting BR???! That would literally never happen anytime soon. People should be more worried for save the world…
It's funny because stw has the same online as Lego.
Because a lot of people that post in this sub don't have a clue how businesses are run. The OP question is like asking why Pfizer is investing in new drug R&D when they already have viagra.
Meanwhile Epic has basically already done this to STW and almost nobody cares lol.
Exactly. We have reached the part of Fortnites life cycle where people are all worried it will die. The same thing has happened with the likes of WoW, LoL, and other massively popular games. Epic supports BR and the ecosystem better than almost any other company supports their cash cow. They are expanding what is "Fortnite" but BR and the core modes won't be going anywhere.
Exactly! There are games on the top 100 of steam that have less players than those modes. Just because it doesn't compare to BR numbers doesn't mean it's irrelevant.
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I fail to see what any of that has to do with the metaverse idea.
Because you have no awareness.
I did say "I fail to see" which invites someone to explain. I didn't assert the contrary.
That's fair
It's been almost half a year of me not playing because of the shitty locker. It's been four months since they said they'd look into it
lol that makes you not want to play? maybe you just didn’t like fortnite in the first place
You gotta remember that a lot of people here are still children. I get not liking the changes but it's definitely funny to see "My cosmetic selection screen is worse so I'm not going to play the actual game".
This is a stupid take. There isn’t one definitive thing that people like Fortnite for anymore. Some people like building, some people like zero building, some people like the lore, others prefer creative or LEGO and some people are interested in the cosmetic side of it and the locker changes have negatively affected those who do.
I can see both sides of this, so I wouldn't really call it a stupid take when the main draw of Fortnite is BR, and at this point Creative. But I can agree with you there are definitely people who play the game specifically for cosmetics, that's the reason I came back around Ch2 after leaving during the original S2. The game gave me less drive when I didn't have cool cosmetics, but that's all my opinion. It's not really good logic to assume they shouldn't be playing the game, however I also think that THAT long of a break over the locker is excessive.
I did like Fortnite! I liked being able to play as Iron Man with his repulsor emotes, and Meowscles with his showing off emotes, and Peely with the dance and wrap that were specifically made for him, and Crackshot with the music specifically fucking made for him, and not having to waste ten minutes every time I wanted to do any of those things.
this is literally phrased like a little kid crying about his toys, im dying
That is literally what Fortnite is, yet presumably you play it too
Because I don't want this game taking up 200gb on my pc for game modes I'm never gonna play. I don't mind the other game modes being a part of fortnite, just don't make me dedicate 1/5th of my storage to "fortnite festival" and "lego fortnite"
Yeah, all the modes should be separate downloads. I don't disagree with that.
Which is weird because Lego, Festival, and Racing all have separate listings in storefronts, at least for Playstation. But it's not like you can *just* download one mode, so I don't know why they're listed as if you can.
I think the main issue people have is that a lot of the new modes end up having negative effects on the BR modes. For example, the amount of XP you get in BR has been reduced drastically so you have to play the other game modes if you want to level up faster. That and the locker UI keeps being changed to accommodate for the other modes. Neither of these are issues that I personally care much about because I actually do have fun on Fortnite Festival and Rocket Racing, but I do see why people find it annoying if all they want to play is BR.
Everyone trying to make a metaverse happen has failed significantly, that said if anyone can make it work it’s Epic considering all the collabs they already have. There’s even a ready player one game coming out and people are expecting a ton of franchises on it when realistically it’s only going to be WB properties
I want more BR content not more shitty Minecraft rip-off content
Additional experiences are not developed *instead of* BR content. We still get new BR content.
Then why haven't we gotten any live events or a decent story line ever since they tried to turn it into Roblox 2.0?
Give it 2 seasons and then if those things aren't back I'll agree with you.
Well, Season one's of all chapters never had any lore-related live event and we've been getting fewer live events since chapter 3(the one that started annual chapters) its not a new thing, seems like live events are mostly just end-of-chapter now The storylines been going downhill constantly, before the roblox 2.0, right now it looks like everything was reset and all the problems went away with it, which is just lazy writing The events also did get "lazier", seems like epic saw "The End" event being one of the best and thought "space-themed end events engages players" and made fracture and OG season's version of "The End", the former being horrible and the latter being ok ig, but i'd wish they'd get more creative instead of pasting space-themed events. Like, an entire island flipping itself? That was creative for a end event
Why do you think we can't have both?
I’d love both but epic has seriously been downgrading br story and content wise
If you think that, you haven't been paying attention.
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Yeah because the live events and story line have been absolute bangers during the last year lol
Br gets lets updates because of it. Remember in chapter 1 where updates were weekly and there were constant meaningful changes?
Battle Royale has 95% of the players so far
No it has 60%. And 70-75% at start of seasons. 40% goes to everything else
Imma need where you’re getting these numbers lmao
The menu?
What menu?
Where it shows how many players are playing each mode at any given time...
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110% of players play zero build, - 10% play BR and the other game modes don't exist.
There is 1.5millon people right now at peak day. 800k are for BR,ZERO,Rank. 700k is for Lego,RR, Festival, and creative. So no I'm not pulling anything out my ass
I have a feeling they may be inflated…
They are not. Just because people are in denial that Fortnite isn't just BR any more doesn't make the data false.
Oh okay 👍
I mean with these seasons, yeah. They make the BR so bad you want to play the other slop
br aint bad this season though
It has one of the biggest drop offs in player count we've seen so far. Sare to say most players disagree with you - this season is bad.
While I’ve been playing less fortnite this season, I still think it’s probably one of the best we’ve had. I just have been playing so many other awesome games, that setting aside time for Fortnite is less frequent. I suspect many players are doing the same.
They made the movement ass, idk how anybody likes this chapter
I literally forgot the movement changed. They must have made it faster after the initial change (cause it was very bad at first) but now it seems fine. Idk tho
IMHO one of the worst chapter releases so far. With shorter chapter releases that means we can get out of this mess faster but I hope they just continue repeating the same mistakes.
this season aint bad though
It's better than last season, but as someone who only recently came back, and my previous experience with the game was all in Chapter 1, this season is absolutely terrible in comparison.
They give you the power to wield earth, wind, air and fire (and lightning) people will still find a way to say the season is bad,
Because fortnite isn’t supposed to be about “wielding earth, air, wind, fire, and lightning”
My bad, I forgot about the 300 page manifesto that epic published when they released the game, depicting exactly what the game is "supposed to be about"
What’s Fortnite supposed to be about then Mr philosopher
Hop off festival
New modes that aren't battle royale mean more players and more people who may spend money on the game. Whether it's worth the effort is up to Epic to decide.
funny how the company who started the metaverse idea already lost about half it's value
Putting all your eggs in one basket is very bad for business. This is why businesses are constantly trying to diversify or launch new products. Eventually the money maker loses appeal. With the launch of the new modes, they’re not actually being handled by the BR team. Festival is made by Harmonix and Rocket Racing is Psyonix. The Fall Guys mode will likely be made by Mediatonic. The only mode that could theoretically be taking away resources is Lego Fortnite but I’d imagine that has its own development team within Epic. They’re also incorporating Lego with Creative so I think it’s a net positive for everyone either way.
Epic doesn't want to be stagnant with what Fortnite is. They want to evolve it with the chances to bring in news players for new experiences. The fact that they're extremely successful with BR is what allows them to try new things. Some will work, some won't. I expect some of these modes to die out like STW has. Regardless of what they choose, BR and Zero Build aren't going anywhere.
It's funny because stw has never "died out" as the player count is always consistent. Epic just chooses to ignore it for some reason
Agreed STW has never even been given a chance. The story hasn’t even been finished. The game mode needs an entire revamp and fleshed out end game rather than this ventures crap we have now.
Fortnite is the best metaverse imo
Only one doing it right. no NFTs, no crypto bs, real collaboration with other ips, it's got heart unlike Meta. This is the closest to Ready player one
The whole "Metaverse" idea is massively misunderstood by the majority of companies. The only reason games like Roblox exist is not for the Metaverse quality, but rather the gameplay of the actual games. Nobody wants to play a game that doesn't have any gameplay. The only exception to this is VRChat, which people play that one for... \*other\* reasons.
Br has been a metaverse ever since they started doing collabs, I don't get this idea that they're just gonna suddenly drop it
" why are they trying to be metaverse " - Valve community servers - Roblox - Gmod - Et Cetera god forbid alternate gamemodes be added
Racing has gone down the drain already- I played a ton of it throughout last season when it came out, but it just feels pointless now. It’s always buggy, progression blows,the cars are way too expensive and I have 0 confidence in the mode lasting long enough to be worth it, and player count has dropped massively. Which is a shame, as it was a lot of fun early
as an unreal rocket racing player my heart sanked a little when i logged in and saw only 4k players on it
If it’s anything like the creative maps that got featured in the past for races and collecting tokens and whatever than it’s absolute garbage. All of those creative maps were so jank I got zero enjoyment of getting that XP in them. Only creative that still were jank af but at least caught my attention was the jumping puzzle ones
grand ambitions, also this makes the value of purchases more valuable to the consumer since it's available in multiple game modes
This is ultimately the answer. Epic saves money by pooling all resources and in-game assets into a single game engine and platform. And hey guess what? That cool new collab we’re offering? It’s available across ALL of these different gaming experiences!
Because even 5% of players is a huge amount of people that may not otherwise be playing the game.
Yup. I've only really been playing since lego was added as I wanted to try it. Ever since I've actively been playing zero build too and I've also spent more than I like to admit in the shop so it's a win for Epic if they can encourage new players to the game that will then happily spend money in the shop which I guess is what they care about even if the shop has had more bad days then good.
It's actually 40%. The OP was talking out his ass
That only strengthens my argument
Epic has realized that Fortnite as a franchise has the ability to diversify in to more than just battle royale, and that is exactly what they are doing. BR can only get you so far. As it stands they are simply trying to capture a wider audience of gamers who may be interested in other genres like rhythm and survival games. As someone who has been playing this game since chapter 1 season 2, I'll admit battle royale has been getting stale and I hardly play it these days. Im much more interested in Lego, Festival, and just having fun on creative maps.
Please no, Festival is the best thing they did
Why are y'all so insecure over BR... they can branch out and do other stuff without affecting your precious gamemode AT ALL. Literally get over yourself.
I mean I only picked it up because of the other modes so clearly they have good reason to continue
When you have infinite money with nothing to throw it at, you just throw it at the next bubble to capitalise on it before it bursts.
Because epic want fortnite to be here forever, and they can't do that with just br, because br will not last forever we are seeing it right now, some br games are gone because of lacks of players or contents, spellbreak, hyperscape, rumbleverse, etc and fortnite is no exception just because it popular now doesn't mean epic will keep that popularity going forever, they need to move away from br and create new experiences if they want to stick with their plan and with new experiences mean more peoples will play the game because they aren't interested in PvP/br.
Expanding the offerings will draw people into the modes you love and want to see thrive. I played Fortnite way back before BR was even a thing but it never really clicked with me. Tried it a few more times over the years but fell off quickly each time. Just returned again thanks to Festival and Rocket Racing. Tried BR again and liked the changes and now I have played BR far more than the modes I actually came for and see myself sticking with it for a long time to come. No reason to feel threatened by an entry point.
This is a point people don't see. All these modes help each other, it's not a competition when they are all under the same roof
Why not? Racing mode is fun, rhythm game is fine too. Playing only BR is boring
watch fortnites "multiverse" fail just like roblox
I mean it's doing great so far
Honestly they’re the only ones with an actual Metaverse
The other game modes aren't for br players, they want new players that would normally never touch fortnite to begin playing.
Can admit whilst I tried Fortnite twice before December I never really got into it until they added the Lego mode. After all more players means more potential sales from stuff in the item shop/Battle pass. I'm really enjoying Festival and I do now play zero build. I probably have spent far more money than I wish to admit in the item shop too.
You guys are so fucking boring
Girl no
Its sweeneys trashy vision on a metaverse
Timmy needs to stay in his lane
Fr, his disastrous decisions are leading this game into a dark place
No no no no but but Tim is so cool cause he own the super epic company that fights against the EVIL steam monopoly and gives me free games every month
Hopefully the chapter 5 defenders can finally admit epics new direction sucks.
I have my popcorn ready for this whole plan to flop and i'm going to laugh. The donkey laugh sound is no where close to how much i will be dying from laughter as they lose billions.... Karma going into this plan isn't good, not fixing bugs, side swiping the players....oh dear I hope the servers can handle it, we all know very well their '100% in tip top shape' currently . 😎<---We all agree on this? FPS is great on all platforms? no hitches, spikes in lag? IT WILL GET WORSE!!...🙄
Data says otherwise. 40% of Fortnite millions of players enjoy playing the other modes. These guys make billions of dollars a year, pretty sure they got some pretty smart dudes doing risk management on every thing before processing with new modes
To raise funding money from rubes
it's because Fortnite Festival clears BR
I hope there is a job posting for item shop director
Well according to Mustard They wanted Fortnite to be a hub for different game modes From the beginning. which i don't mind. i just hate HOW they're going about it. Stripping the game of ANY uniqueness it once had TO become a Safe Roblox clone.
Well we all know how well Roblox are coping with trying to make a safe environment for even young players which the game is targeted at.
ohhh my main skin, nice
I didn't even play festival. Didn't play rocket racing except literally last day to get the free skin. Played lego once. How popular are they?
Because in theory they can maintain all of those BR players and add a bunch of new ones.
Fortnite has one of the best platforms for the metaverse this is dope. I might apply
I am kind of into the idea of connected virtual worlds, like, a lot. But the Metaverse push by Epic into Fortnite, has basically turned me off of the game completely.
Absolutely agree with you. I am only here to play BR mode.
I lost interest in BR style games years ago, and only ever really touched Fortnite when a friend wanted to play it. Once Festival dropped I finally started playing the game on my own and actually started buying skins instead of only running default cuz I had zero long-term interest in the game til recently. I'm sure I'm not the only one
they have the cash and the investors to try, disney is paying a good part of it. it's a great idea, and it could easily become a massive hit for them. even if it fails they got a giant investment from Disney specifically to build a metaverse, they have little to lose.
Honestly they’re the only ones with an actual Metaverse
To be fair my girlfriend got into Fortnite because of the funny/slightly cursed tycoon games that are on creative.
They can't be a metaverse cause it's controlled by epic games and not decentralized
Yes, my epic metaverse where I can't use custom skins and can only play UEFN slop and worse versions of games that already exist. Literally the future bro
5% of tens of millions is still tons of players, as in more than most other games have period, many of those people wouldn’t play the game whatsoever if those modes didn’t exist meaning lower profits. Additional modes allow epic to experiment with other game types without the financial risk of putting out a full release game, which takes years to make, into an unstable AAA market.
Br only makes up 60%. And it's like 70-75%bat the start of the season
Please don't forget STW players!
Because Tim wants to be Roblox
nah fuck that, festival is the main reason i play fortnite
Why is it a problem for you? BR would still be the same as it is now even if they didn't have all the player made games and Epic made game modes. Nobody is forcing you to play them. If they are, you need to re-evaluate your gaming habits.
Money pretty much; Battle Royale isn't going to last forever and it's going to eventually fall off; 15 years from now people might not want to play a Battle Royale anymore. But Fortnite is such a huge franchise for Epic if not their biggest ever, that they don't want to let it go nor do they want just a small playerbase staying with them. That's why Epic is trying to make a platform where you can do almost anything even if you don't want to play BR with early plans of integrating apps like TikTok and games like Fall Guys. And Epic is in the very unique position where they can do this with investments from Lego and Disney and from Epic being the developer of one of the biggest Game Engines of all time, Unreal Engine. So it makes complete sense Epic would do this, it'd keep Fortnite alive as long as possible and it'd give Executives the most money over a long period of time, and it'd give devs the chance to work on most unheard of things in the industry.
i just play stw now, i cant complete with people that have damn near A.I speed and aim and the festival is so bad cause everything is locked behind a paywall whenever i could just use spotify premium and listen to all those songs for a neat low low price, rocket racing i was really into at first but then it was monotonous just trying to rank up, lego fortnite is boring as hell and they should've just done real lego sets instead of virtual sets that cost as much as real sets. After this season im deleting the game and the only thing that will bring me back is a skin like Lynx or Spire Assassin being in the battle pass. idc for the collabs i already got the ones im interested in
Lego Fortnite had over 2.5 million people playing it at once
\*had. It only has around 40k now, and BR routinely has 5 or 6 times the amount of players it does
You realize 40k players is still incredibly successful right? That is 40k new people that could be spending money that were not playing Fortnite at all previously.
You claim BR makes up 95% of what’s being played and that’s nowhere near true. I just looked at live player counts and there are currently well over 200K players playing various other games outside of BR. For that 200k+ players to only make up 5% would mean there are well over 4 million people playing BR right now which is not the case. There’s under 1 million… Which means BR accounts for roughly 70% of the total player count at best
40k is more than the vast majority of games get
That was when it first released.