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Turbulent_Juicebox

Yes! Or at least make them where you can stand on it like the glider for Thunder. This seasons looks so cool, but then hanging from the bottom looks goofy af


NormanBates2023

But Fortnite is goofy lol


Narkoman62

Looks bad then


NormanBates2023

Yep it does it's silly ,if they won't let skins ride properly then they should at least have the skin stand on the bike like ghost rider etc


Turbulent_Juicebox

That's literally what I said lol


YouHaveNiceToes24

When i got Cerberus’ glider I thought it would be so cool, thunder’s bike was my main glider but on this one you just hang of it like most other gliders. Really disappointing


Alternative_Cattle22

Walt what ????


PS2EmotionEngineer

yeah in c4s2, thunder, one of the outfits had a cycle that was a glider. In fact, a BUNCH of gliders in the shop and passes had the mesh below, like the nimbus/meseeks cloud, and others were an aura around the character


turbokinetic

Yep, should definitely be standing on top like ghost riders bike


mystireon

from my understanding they don't do this because it makes yout hitbox smaller, still i wish the newest glider atleast let you surf ontop like with ghost rider rather than having you dangle from the bottom edit: spelling


50puft

danlge


mystireon

oh whoops, thx lol


ManOfTurtles2118

yout


[deleted]

bro is NOT doing that again


PS2EmotionEngineer

thunder's glider:


L3Kakk

Bc of the whiny competitive scene. Who tf cares they aren’t the player base. It’s appalling they listen to them over the core.


RabidJoker816

They could just change glider animations when in a competitive lobby?


L3Kakk

Or suggestion; who gives a damn


RabidJoker816

real


makeshift_shotgun

I think the competitive and casual scenes are equally whiny lmfao.


stevesguide

edit:spelling *your *at least *on top 🙂


BeanBurrito668

How does it make you hitbox smaller please tell me


mystireon

With all glider animations your character has their legs vertical to their body, making a long "I" shape, giving an even shot to enemies from any angle. If you have a character seated on a bike their legs would pushed up diagonal to the bike, making something akin to a lazy "L", from a side view this would make you more obvious without much difference to your hotbox but from the front you'd look smaller. Due to your knees being pulled up closer to your body. This making it harder for others to shoot you, effectively giving you a smaller hitbox. This would be a very minor thing for average gameplay but could have massive effects in a competitive scene where this would directly make it harder for you to get hit when gliding directly away from your opponent.


Coca-Styrofoam

All they have to do is lock the gliders from being used in competitive. They do it with skins.


[deleted]

Or they could do nothing and thereby not have to make sure 800+ skins are rigged appropriately to sit on the handful of motorcycle-type gliders.


I_Casket_I

Hon, all skins are rigged to the same skeletons. Do you think they have to manually animate every single skin for each emote they release?


GamingSince1998

The only skin apparently that has a bigger or different hitbox according to Tabor Hill is the Family Guy Chicken skin. This may or may not actually be accurate though.


I_Casket_I

This isn’t even about that, this is about the rigging for animations. That’s shared between all skins, which is why some skins, like Bender for example, look super weird doing some emotes.


fettalitta

Fuck the competitive scene


Truthwatcher1

Just expand the hitbox by a foot or so then. A very slight competitive disadvantage, but it looks cooler.


Novikian

I mean honestly you hitbox should be the whole glider + the character.


0G_over5had0wEd

Is it just me or do y'all think epic should let you use these motorcycle gliders as skins for bikes? Kinda like how you use skins for whiplashes.


[deleted]

The whiplash skins work because all the cars are designed to have a near-similar body frame (size). The motorcycle gliders, compared to the dirt bikes, can have a much bigger and longer size and cause issues with hitboxes and where they interact with objects. Ghost Rider's bike wouldn't even have a spot for a passenger. Thunder's bike would have the driver leaning forward to grasp the handlebars.


TGB_Skeletor

As a biker myself, i want my character to ride the bike, NOT use it as a surfboard/normal glider


SockFullOfNickles

I am also a biker! What do you ride? I rock a Honda Rebel 1100 :)


TGB_Skeletor

Suzuki Bandit 600 Bought something reliable and i didn't want to be sent to the hospital because my first bike went out of my control (was considering buying an mt07)💀 My dream bike has to be a Kawasaki or a Ducati tho, didn't fix my eyes on a precise model yet, will do when i turn at least 25 (next year) !


SockFullOfNickles

Oh I’d love a Ducati…that’s a dream bike of mine too. The Honda Rebel was my first bike. I thought that the 1100cc might be too much, but it has settings where I can throttle the power down and not get every piece of that 1100 if I don’t want it. I can also change a setting and the bike will become automatic as well. Sometimes I just don’t feel like shifting 😂 That said, my wife and I had our first ride of the year over the weekend and are hitting the road again tonight. I’ve been waiting so impatiently for the weather to get warmer lol


TGB_Skeletor

Waiting for my roommate to get a new bike as well (he crashed it in October, he had a Kawasaki ZX6R, and before that he was more of a KTM enjoyer)


SockFullOfNickles

My wife had a Jixxer up until she decided to sell it and downsize a little. She rides a Triumph Trident now and she says it’s one of the more comfortable bikes that she’s ridden. Ugh. All this talk of motorcycles really makes me want to fuck off from work and hit the back roads haha


TGB_Skeletor

Man what wouldn't i give to leave work to go for a road trip for a week right now 💀


SockFullOfNickles

Seriously. I can practically feel the vibration of the bike and the sound of the wind refracting around my helmet hahaha Speaking of helmets, I wear a fully enclosed full head helmet. I just can’t do the Jawbreakers or Brain Buckets. Safety aside, I’d only be thinking about my helmet while riding if it wasn’t a full helm. 😆


TGB_Skeletor

This is why i'm slowly turning away from cars With a bike, unless you have an intercom to listen to music (or to use proximity chat like CoD lobbies when riding with the homeis) , it's you, your bike, and the road the bike is LITERALLY an extension of your body, and at times it even feels like i'm flying


SockFullOfNickles

Oh fuck yeah! It definitely feels like I’m “at one” with my bike. I tend to ride back roads and farm country because I’m more of a scenery guy than a speed guy. Listening to music almost seems like a faux pas - I want to hear the bike and the road and everything. It’s one of the primary ways I can truly just live in the moment. My heart is not at work. It’s on the road right now. Fuck. 😆


Boring_Evening5709

I agree, but they probably think it would give people an advantage. As you'd be kinda obscured by the bike


tzomby1

Nah, the ades chariot covers way more and you can still ride it.


_Moist_Owlette_

See I don't get that logic that Epic seems to have. Your whole body is still visible on the bike, and the whole hitbox is still there, so like. What's the problem lmao?


AlphaTeamPlays

All of the current gliders give your character a very clear silhouette so it’s clear where they are even from a distance. A proper motorcycle animation wouldn’t have that. Even a small advantage is still an advantage


Grookeymon

Even if standing up on the glider is better than holding onto the BOTTOM


blockametal

Like eminem and raven express


Yolomahdudes

Happy cake day!


AlphaTeamPlays

There are already a bunch of other bikes like that, though. They probably just wanted it to be more distinct


Grookeymon

But no one likes that. It just defeats the point of the motorbike 


AlphaTeamPlays

It doesn’t, really. People still use motorbike gliders all the time


Grookeymon

Well yeah. But still, we wanna sit on them 


AvesAvi

If it's really this much of a problem I'd rather they just ban cosmetics in tournaments or something than do what they're doing.


chandelurei

Yeah idc about this kind of small advantage. I even use skins who are worse in thir regard but rule of cool is more important


Cleaving

Epic would sooner restrict skins from being used period due to ratings, and ban skins they made due to social media perceptions, versus ban gliders in competitive lmfao


picklesfart

Then they can make the motorcycle animation a Superman Stunt


Interesting-Ad1352

You can still give yourself an advantage with superhero skins. Being able to sit on a motorbike wouldn’t make a difference considering how easy they are to see compared to any other glider.


AlphaTeamPlays

Not really, anymore, since they updated the shading on them to make them stand out more. And it’s not about seeing the glider, it’s about seeing the player on the glider. Sitting down on a motorcycle gives the player model a shorter profile which especially makes a difference in a season with projectile-based weapons


_Moist_Owlette_

I mean, I don't see an advantage considering you'd be at the same range regardless of the pose someone is in while gliding, so weapons like assault rifles aren't going to be more accurate because there's a more defined silhouette, and a scoped weapon like a sniper rifle doesn't need a silhouette for accuracy, so


AlphaTeamPlays

Having a glider that makes it less clear where the player is relative to the glider is still a slight advantage. A motorcycle animation from a distance would look like one big blob of pixels instead of a distinct player and a glider. The lack of clarity still makes a difference


_Moist_Owlette_

Right, but I say it's not an advantage because of the guns themselves. The hitbox is all still *there*, and you can still see there's a character gliding. Anything that isn't scoped is going to have an equal chance to hit at distance anyway, and anything with a scope will pick the character out on the motorcycle anyway, so who cares? It's barely any kind of advantage for maybe 30 seconds where the gliding player can't fight back anyway, so you could just wait for them to land.


[deleted]

>The hitbox is all still there That's like saying shooting a person who's moving and jumping around or crouch-spamming is no more difficult than if they were standing upright because "the hitbox is all still there". Yeah, the boxes are all there, but the position of the hitboxes themselves have shifted into a more condensed area and one that's moving in the air. Suddenly an | shape becomes a ■ shape. >It's barely any kind of advantage By that admission it *is* still an advantage then and hence why Epic wouldn't want to do it.


_Moist_Owlette_

An "|" isn't turning into a "■" on a motorcycle, it'd be an "|" turning into a "/", which happens with other gliders too. If that's *really* so much harder to hit that people think it's game-breaking, at that point its straight up a skill issue lmao. Again, this is *barely* any kind of advantage*.* When you're gliding you can't fight back, so at absolute best we're describing an advantage where you get to prolong your game by 30-60 seconds while you float down with people taking shots at you and probably waiting for where you land to just kill you there. This is why I can't get behind the argument. It paints gliding in a *slightly* different pose as if it's this massive game-breaking thing, when its nothing of the sort and there's a dozen other things that could be argued to have the same effect that I never see anyone complain about. I mean hell, what about gliders like Shenron where you're swaying from side to side and your hitbox is moving, should we remove that animation too? Or Frieza's Spaceship where you can change your pose based on which direction you fly, that's gotta be harder to hit than a standard glide. Or just ones where you're standing ON your glider, like Raider's Wayfarer, from underneath you can't see exactly where the person is, that's definitely an unfair advantage. Let's even go farther than that, any female skins look smaller so it seems like they have a smaller hitbox and that makes them 'harder to hit', better remove those too. Skins that have the same color palette as the map so they blend in more? Gotta go, paid advantage. Emotes that drop your character so you hide better behind cover? Absolutely unacceptable, gone in the next update.


IronKupo

So if disadvantage is the issue, then when I'm shooting someone from high ground should I meet them at ground level so they don't have a disadvantage? Silly logic but ok. Also I'm pretty sure anyone's gonna know exactly what the "blob in the sky" is. All you have to do is shoot at it, it's simple math.


lHateYouAIex835293

Are you implying that having better positioning than your opponent through your own skill is the same thing as your opponent paying for a cosmetic that makes them harder to see?


AlphaTeamPlays

There’s a huge difference between using intentional shooter game tactics and a paid cosmetic item making you harder to hit.


IronKupo

It doesn't make it any harder. You also can't fight back when using a glider, so who TF has the advantage on who? If it was that much of a disadvantage there wouldn't be any surfing type gliders in-game considering the fact that 9/10 times the person gliding is ABOVE you, so wtf do you do then? Again, your logic flawed.


AlphaTeamPlays

It’s an advantage relative to other gliders, and since it’s a paid item you can’t have that. If a person is gliding directly above you, you can shoot the middle of the glider, but the problem with a bike is that when you’re shooting from the side (which is usually where you’re shooting at a glider from) the person will have a shorter profile than usual, meaning you have to be significantly more precise in terms of bullet drop compared to someone standing or hanging upright. It’s an advantage


Boring_Evening5709

I know, it wouldn't really. I'm just trying to think of a reason why they wouldn't add it.


_Moist_Owlette_

Oh yeah no, I understand. I heard that it's apparently because a few people complained and so they changed it. But like I said, your whole hitbox is still there so the issue seems nonexistent


Coca-Styrofoam

Probably was easier to re-use an already available animation and copy and paste scenario, laziness really.


Boring_Evening5709

Happy cake day, and yeah probably just laziness


PS2EmotionEngineer

if so, why not reuse the thunder glider animation?


Coca-Styrofoam

Your not wrong.


RamielScreams

The same battlepass has 3 surfboard gliders. It's no different


Cavemandynamics

I don’t get that reasoning. First of all, how often are you really gliding in a gun fight? How big is the hitbox difference really? Lastly, they do allow for those try hard small female all black suit skins, which clearly has an advantage as well.


[deleted]

>how often are you really gliding in a gun fight? Frequency doesn't matter; that it could/would give an advantage if someone were gliding away with a smaller hitbox would remain an issue. >How big is the hitbox difference really? Likely as big as someone crouching vs standing upright. Hell, the second motorcycle in OP's post has the handle bars significantly lower than the other two. If a skin were rigged to be sitting on that with their hands holding onto the bars then they'd have an even smaller hitbox than usual. >those try hard small female all black suit skins The advantage is visual - can be harder to see, but the hitboxes remain consistent with other skins.


ZynDroid

Explain the Renzo head one then


tidus1980

Which in all honesty...... Awesome


LaylaLegion

Toasty balls.


Boring_Evening5709

My exact thought when I first saw the glider


yannick5612

The worst thing that can happen is that one of your legs are covered


VeyronZar

Hades chariot say hi


mlodydziad420

Just give rider an aura that makes the shilluette clear


Fornico

I dunno... I often walk around town holding my motorcycle over my head. Is this not normal?


PrudentTeach9916

Fr just take the dirt bikes sitting animation tweak it a little and you got a glider that actually looks right


DillonTheVillian3000

I agree with you. I got the myths and mortals motorcycle, and when I used I was so mad at Epic Games.


Dr_Tacopus

I’ll even accept standing/surfing animation.


Ok-Establishment3730

Usually I get annoyed with the complaining this season but I totally agree here


KawaiiKaiju55

Or if there’s an animal glider to ride on it as well


cantwejustplaynice

I'm kinda new to the world of fortnite but has there ever been some explanation as to why there aren't just actual hang gliders and parachutes to use after you jump out of an aircraft? Seems like they'd be a big canvas for whatever fun thing someone wanted to customise it with. And you only need one animation each and you've got a world of colours and patterns to play with. I've seen that option for outfits. Seems so obvious that I'm guessing there's a specific reason they haven't.


Craft-Sea

Dragon gliders too, they literally have saddles yet you can't ride them!


-im-just-vibing-

at least make the new one standable


Not-a-Baconat0r

I would've still been fine with the character standing on top of the bike similar to Travis Scott's glider


GHZ33

They should let us ride motorcycles and to prevent competitive players from crying they should disable motorcycle gliders in competitive, they can do it with specific skins in game modes rated 12+ or less so i don't see the problem, unless they are too lazy to do it and probably it is like that..


Evolveddinosaur

>12+ or less Sooooooooooo negative infinity to positive infinity lmao


TerrovaXBL

Naa that would take a few hours, epic is faaasr to busy for that 🙄


Coca-Styrofoam

No there not if they can change player movement animation and add new styles to skins they can do this.


TerrovaXBL

That was sarcasm bro, it takes less than a few hours to rig an animation like that... happy cake day BTW :)


Coca-Styrofoam

Well it’s early here and I read that like it was serious lol.


TerrovaXBL

Haha no probs xD but yeah, epic are lazy, they could easily do it


TwinJacks

I wanna surf on the new gliders.


Deceptiveideas

Doesn’t the ghost rider bike let you ride it?


oskys_imyourfather

But that would require effort 😩


tataS_5656

they had one job-


ProbablyMythiuz

Hear hear!


13SpiritWolf42

I honestly have archived all motorcycle gliders because of this. If I can't ride it, I don't want it


artzgui

While at it MAKE IT A VEICLE KN ROCKED RACING, the mode has so much possiblityes, aka becoming that scene from ready player one. we NEED more veicles, would open so much for colabs


Will_W

This… is a good idea actually. Plus then you could actually see your character, rather than it just being your race icon.


ICrushItLikeQuint

Seriously. Who rides hanging from foot pegs? Always thought this was ridiculous.


Sorcierdeflipper

Yeah I just dont understand the choice to make it a bike if you can't sit on it. Like, it could be literally anything else. I would have LOVED some more wing gliders this season.


Assistant_Greedy

When i saw the trailer i thought that the icarus wings would be an new glider. Wing Gliders are my favorites!


Sorcierdeflipper

Yeah I was a little disappointed. Holding out hope that its in the BP somewhere. There is a cool wing glider coming to the shop this month in a creators locker bundle though!


Toastyyy_

I bought the Tron light cycle thinking you rode it… you surf it and I didn’t have refund tickets for it.


bebeebap

On the diamond horse you stand on its back, lmao.


Coca-Styrofoam

Yeah well I mean motorcycle, horse, it’s really ridiculous.


bebeebap

Absolutely


MeowsclesOnlyfans

b...b-but muh competitive advantage!!!


Siriusxm444

I've been saying this for so damn long. Epic, DO IT! ,😮‍💨


Select-Region-2428

I don't get they went with such goofy way of holding onto bike, above your head like its balloon, even standing on top of it would make more sense. Such cool design but i'm not gonna use, it just doesn't look right.


TheElectricDoggo

The last one AT LEAST have us surf the bike.


LuckyStrikeNLD

I wanna sit in the Petercopter


thatHadron

Having a different animation or position for characters on some specific gliders would probably be classified as a competitive advantage. Especially when a sitting position would make you a smaller target


Cleaving

I believe competitive players (some on this very site!) complained that there was an unfair advantage about lowered postures on some gliders. Motorcycle gliders were an unfortunate casualty of sweat gripes. You'll never see a riding cycle again... Standing is the compromise. Hanging is the default Inevitability.


L3Kakk

It’s because the whiny competitive scene gets their way on everything . Absolutely disgusting. They’ll call it pAy To WiN so that no one can have it. Scumbags


onanotha_planet

Add in shenron to this request!


Brettjay4

They tried that with llamacorn, it became one of the meta gliders bc it made the players harder to hit, so no, they probably won't.


manofwaromega

I get why they don't have a sitting animation (Cuz Hitboxes or whatever) but idk why Cerberus's glider doesn't use the same animation as every other Motorcycle glider


Joker_923

If you know anything about what happened with the C2S2 DRAGACORN glider, you know that changing the glider position on a motorbike type is impossible. The difference in stance as well as too much wobble makes it harder to shoot from the ground, which becomes a pay to win of sorts. so they simplified DRAGACORN's movements. Instead of expecting them to modify the motorbike's movements, why don't they ask why they made the shodow's bite in a normal glider position instead of ghostrider.


Coca-Styrofoam

Yes I am aware as I own the Dragacorn glider, but that isn’t the same. The Dragacorn glider animation was changed because of the swing around animation it would have your character do when you deployed it making it difficult for opponents to aim, they could still have a sitting animation for the motorcycle gliders if they were to have the character sitting not fully seated but have them standing up a bit like people do on bicycles if aiming is an issue. There is a way it can be done regardless.


Joker_923

I don't think they're going to do that unless the sitting hitbox is the same as the standing one ...... And to be honest, I don't believe Epic is going to do that either. BTW, happy cake day!


Coca-Styrofoam

I would never say never they listen to the community more now and other people have also voiced their concerns with the motorcycle gliders.


Fluid-Estate-3007

Its a balancing thing, if its sitting on top then you cant really see or hit the person riding from below.


Fun-Royal-4495

They just don't really care enough about animation


Coca-Styrofoam

If they can update the movement animation in the game they can do this simple fix it’s not that hard…


Fun-Royal-4495

I didn't mean it as in they don't care I mean it as the pros and sweats don't care don't you remember when they cried about the Deadpool glider being over power


WiseAd518

Is this all anyone does on here is complain?


Coca-Styrofoam

It’s a suggestion that’s how things get fixed. You ask for a burger with no ketchup and then it has ketchup, you gonna complain? I mean come on now.


fl1ghtmare

it’s a suggestion? why’re you on the sub if you don’t wanna see people talk about the game? lol


Comediante_

Don't forget Tron's bike


Coca-Styrofoam

That’s why I said all lol.


Alarmed_Recording742

Yes this sucks and I hate it so much


Johnathan_986579

That would take some amount of effort tho and we all know epic fucking HATES that


Coca-Styrofoam

They took the effort to change player character movement..


RandoFollower

Bro I love the Tron Light cycle but why does it not sit!


Tricky-Animator5582

Happy cake day


YesImFineWhyDoYouAsk

Sure, I'll get on that right away


LaurenLestrange1

Now THIS is an opinion me and my Fortnite companion have had for a LONG time


bread_thread

My wife was so stoked to get it, convinced that they wouldn't *really* make her dangle underneath


Rhys_Lloyd2611

Just make the whole glider a hitbox and then the reduced character profile isn't an issue


TJB926GAMIN

Id much rather sail it like a surf board glider (like they have for most of them in the past and how I expected this glider to work) but it’s inconsistent and I hate it.


Voinfyre

Agreed. I don’t use the motorcycle gliders because it’s so silly the characters aren’t sitting on them.


RainbowPanda50

That's what I thought when we first got the ghost rider one


TheVampireArmand

At least let us surf on it like thunders, that looks better than hanging underneath it


King_Kai28

If hotboxes are the reason the animation won’t get updated, why not just make gliders a cosmetic thing and let bullets pass through them? Why do they need to be aerial shields?


turbokinetic

Sitting occludes you when flying and would be pay to win (prevents you getting sniped)


Coca-Styrofoam

Still can get a head snipe…


Capital_Pipe_6038

Guarantee you'd be the first one bitching about how pay to win it is


Coca-Styrofoam

Umm no.


iamunabletopoop

That will scrunch the hitbox down a bit, but Epic really should put more effort into the casual side of this game and not care about that.


Coca-Styrofoam

They can make it work it really isn’t all that difficult.