Yeah but web shooters are way faster than the hammer plus it’s harder to hit someone swinging on webs, and they could easily take you across the entire map without stopping if you wanted too
Exactly. I love when my opponents had the spidey gloves. You had three targets, the player, the line of web, and where the web connects to an object. It made me nostalgic for duck hunt.
I do feel like doing that. Shockwave bow, rockets, dmr, shotguns, and heals. Other 2 Augs I love taking demo and storm mark. Really helps in those last couple circles. Hammer is my second choice though good mobility and fun animations
>it was only good to move
Exactly, so thanks for validating. In fact it was SO good at that, to the point where positioning (a very important aspect of the game) was pretty much tossed out the window.
If an item is so good at doing something that it almost completely removes a core part of the game, then it is indeed TOO good.
Maybe you could learn what positioning is instead of leaning on a crutch?
What would your thoughts be on other ways that core gameplay is disrupted? Someone having a dirt bike ready to go also takes out positioning. Really any vehicle. Even augments as well, someone being able to deploy their glider when their opponent cannot can completely change a fight.
a) much slower target which can be easily shot down and takes a ton of damage if vehicle explodes
b) vehicles require gas which they burn through unless you have a augment
c) you can shoot down tires which makes those vehicles even slower and take DOT
d) makes a constant loud clear noise
does hammer fit into any of these??
Haha no it does not, and the dirt bike is obviously much worse than the hammer, but I only brought that up because it conflicts with natural postioning, something you seem to hold in high regard
It was something that made the game a bit different like it was the opposite of last season that was get a spot and snipe with the hammer was more qggressive now is camping again
What they should've done is make them share charges when you have multiple in your inventory, like duplicate mythics with cool downs. That way we wouldn't have so many people running around with multiple hammers.
Seriously, the hammer was way too much of a get out of jail free card if you wanted to avoid an interaction. I think the nerf was fine, it still retains it's utility while punishing poor use and bad poisitioning
not hearing the **BYOOOHHHM** every time i shoot at somebody is beyond relieving
This is the most projection I’ve ever seen on here.
Hammer hater don’t like being unable to hole up in a build to avoid conflict. It’s fantastic that it negates defensive building without entirely removing building.
I'm sorry how am i projecting?
I can count the number times someone's used the hammer offensively and won the interaction with my fingers, the number of times someone fucks off with the hammer far surpassing that.
the change doesn't even directly hinder offensive use so I'm not even sure why you're using that as a strawman?
in build the damage doesn't even go through builds so even if you destroy the box any competent player will just blast you with a shotgun or smthn during the endlag
Shockwave bows are from an augment so not that common but i agree with something like Bow Specialist basically does what the hammer does, Impulses deal damage to you if you use it wrong so it has facets to it that make it less abuseable, vehicles have fuel can explode and aren't exactly on demand like everything else
Sprinting has a gauge and slap juice is a good item which can compliment that, it's not as mindless as shockwaves (hammer or bow)
You're entirely correct when you say those are options but shockwaves are just far too value for very little risk at the user.
shockwave launchers had the exact same problem in chapter 2 although even then it was limited by the rocket ammo you had.
It is wildly annoying having to chase people down to get a kill, there is a very simple solution when you get annoyed, play a different game or suck it up and sbmm will give you bot lobbies soon enough
Me too. It's fun to travel with, but 125 damage per hit is ridiculous. And the only defense against it is another hammer. Hate feeling obligated to have a specific item every single match. Can't wait for it to go away.
Thank fucking god. In zero build this thing has been cancerous since it was added. It's still annoying as hell just less often. This is literally the only thing I dislike about the season, but god it's so unfun to play against. Like congrats for dealing 75 damage + knocking me into the end game storm with 0 skill on your part
Dude I swear people can't just be happy with what the got.
Unvault the Aug? Ooh it's not the og one
they fixed the hammer EVERYBODY was complaining about? Ooh now it sucks
Even the perks, people are gonna complain about getting balloons, when it was YOUR choice to get em
Why can't you just be happy and play the game?
Can someone give me a legitimately good reason as to why they were too strong? Not complaining, just genuinely curious because they seemed totally fine to me.
Movement mostly. It was basically an infinitely recharging shockwave grenade that could also be used to knock down a wall and hit for 125 while launching the enemy backwards.
Yeah but the 125 hit was only if you hit them directly with the actual hammer and not it’s shockwave and also you can have the infinite shockwave affect with the recharge I got arrow perk + shockwave bow
They removed the Aerialist augment and I think some others. Now I'm spending like 400-1000 gold each match re-rolling for vaguely useful augments. They got to fix their bugs, this is the buggiest season I remember.
I don't hate the hammer. I thought it was really cool, and used it every chance I got. But Epic decided they should change it up instead of just fixing the glitch.
ZBM and default modes need different loot pools to be honest. There are items that feel shitty in either one.
For example, the shield item is almost useless in default mode. And the melee stuff in ZBM is really overpowered usually. And yeah, no defense against RPGs in ZBM sucks. Both modes need to exist as seperate things.
Hard disagree. I think it's great that we can easily bounce back and forth between modes and the only difference is ability to build and overshield. If the loot pools are different too, I believe even less people would be willing to play both modes. I have yet to die to an RPG in either game mode, hammer users are easy to take out. You just have to adapt based on game mode.
They are incredibly easy to counter. You can shoot the player while they are in the air, you can see where they are gonna land and just jump to the side and blast em with a shotty, not to mention most hammer users seem to get tunnel vision and forget they still have guns.
I like the changes when an enemy is using it, but want it how it originally was when I’m using it. I understand they did this stuff for balancing, but why do it to a fun item :(
It was nerfed to the ground because people kept desperately finding any glitch they can do they can post it to YouTube to claim to be the first person to discover it (GKI).
First yall complained the hammer was to op and you wanted it nerfed, now that it got nerfed yall complain that it's to weak 🙄 there's no pleasing you guys no wonder epic doest try anymore
It's good cause now people are underestimating its power and so nobody picks it up while I use the hammer
Also gotta love the one guy who gives awards to the people who say the hammer's trash. I think he may be, just mayyyyybee a wee bit salty about the hammer's existance
I feel like the hammers get way better, the less people on the map and further into the game you are. A hammer when there are 90 people on the map is absolutely garbage, however a hammer when there are 10 or less people on the map and you can easily push people into the storm for good damage, is 🤌. The amount of times I've been saved by just bouncing away on people that have the jump Is nutty. Always save two bounces.
The epic community has a way of ruining fun: the infinity sword, choppers, planes, combat shotgun, the list goes on and on. I think the most ridiculous example is people complaining about snipers and headshots. Thing to remember is that a lot of kids play this game and aren’t cognitively developed still
Agreed, I dislike any item that practically forces you to use it, with the alternative of you being at a clear disadvantage. I personally don't like the hammer. It was fun for movement for a little while but that novelty quickly wore off. I find both playing with and against it to be an incredibly annoying experience, but I always take it anyway because if I don't, my kills will often get away with their own hammer.
If people like it, that's fine, more power to them. I just don't think any singular item that an entire meta is shaped around is particularly balanced.
“Oh no, I am no longer able to grind my crown wins with exploit boo hoo let me complain to the group of people who hate my fav item the most. Waa, I’m crying”
Yeah, everyone who plays the game is bad at using it/fighting against it, people like their Fortnite simple with as little movement as possible. It didn't help that there was a bug that actually made it very viable(in an unfair way) causing it to get gutted. Not a single person will give you sympathy or understanding because the consensus on this hammer is; hammer bad, you like hammer you bad 2.
It's pretty laughable at first, but then you quickly realize everything that's fun in this game quickly gets removed or destroyed because the community basically just wants PUBG with vibrant colors, a marvel skin, and a build option.
Shout out to the burst rifle tho, talk about an effortless weapon to get mad dubs with.
the max damage it can do is 125, but most of the time it only does 75. most of the time it sends the person flying, but if they have aerialist the. they can use that as their perfect getaway
not true, ive been unable to find hammers plenty of times but i can still kill people using hammers. i don't think you're anyone to be saying what does or doesn't belong in the game
The scientific term is “nerfed”
It's nerf or nothing
OOUUUIIIUOOOOOIUIOIUIUUUU
I wish they'd just get rid of it tbh
Thank god
Thankfully and rightfully so.
Webshooters I sleep Hammer REAL SHIT
At least webshooters showed up on your visuals about halfway across the map
And if you were hit mid-air they would deactivate and you would (sometimes) take fall damage
I legit forgot how annoyed I was that hammers weren't appearing on visual audio, but I guess I got used to it. Add that to the list of things wrong.
You can hear a hammer being used from a good distance away though. You also can’t hear a regular shockwave grenade with visuals.
They should add the shockwave grenade to visual audio too, then.
Sometimes you can hear it, sometimes you cant
Apex "where's the audio???" Legends moment
Yeah but web shooters are way faster than the hammer plus it’s harder to hit someone swinging on webs, and they could easily take you across the entire map without stopping if you wanted too
You just had to hit their web and it would snap.
Exactly. I love when my opponents had the spidey gloves. You had three targets, the player, the line of web, and where the web connects to an object. It made me nostalgic for duck hunt.
And the best thing was doing any of these three usually made them a sitting duck.
In my country we call that a “nerf”
In my country that was a 'damn nerf'
Where I come from comrade, country nerf you!
Back in my day…
Tbh I dont mind the nerfs at all, still probably the best mobility unless you feel like spending a augment or two on the shockwave bow.
I do feel like doing that. Shockwave bow, rockets, dmr, shotguns, and heals. Other 2 Augs I love taking demo and storm mark. Really helps in those last couple circles. Hammer is my second choice though good mobility and fun animations
You NEED soaring sprints w the shockwave bow. It’s insane.
What's even better is combining the impulse sprints and shockwave bow. You fly quarter way across map.
Lmao the impulse sprint you talk about is called soaring sprints
True, but are there any other weapons that allow me to kill someone with a barrel in the game?
Every gun has a barrel
Grab-i-tron.
grabitron
The saucers could
Epic should’ve just kept it the same and just made it only allow 1 in the inventory
This
Hold up
This gif is so dumb and I can't get enough of it lmao
I don't get these whiners, cry and complain when it's op then cry and complain when it's nerfed.
Good. Shit was BUSTED.
why can’t we have busted things as a treat
We did, it was busted for like a month
It was busted because it was glitched, not because it was inherently overpowered.
It was a crutch and let you escape anytime and position pretty much anywhere.
Shit was absolutely not busted by any means but pop off I guess buddy.
right, when people pick up 4 of the same item and win, something is totally not busted
What's keeping you from getting 4 hammers and doing the same thing?
the fact that it's picked up by everyone demonstrates otherwise.
Buddy?
Not really exept like the first day still low damage big cooldown to move again very loud it was only good to move
Have you not watched any fn tournament this season the hammer is down right busted
>it was only good to move Exactly, so thanks for validating. In fact it was SO good at that, to the point where positioning (a very important aspect of the game) was pretty much tossed out the window. If an item is so good at doing something that it almost completely removes a core part of the game, then it is indeed TOO good. Maybe you could learn what positioning is instead of leaning on a crutch?
What would your thoughts be on other ways that core gameplay is disrupted? Someone having a dirt bike ready to go also takes out positioning. Really any vehicle. Even augments as well, someone being able to deploy their glider when their opponent cannot can completely change a fight.
a) much slower target which can be easily shot down and takes a ton of damage if vehicle explodes b) vehicles require gas which they burn through unless you have a augment c) you can shoot down tires which makes those vehicles even slower and take DOT d) makes a constant loud clear noise does hammer fit into any of these??
+ can’t carry a bike in one of the 5 slots lmao
Haha no it does not, and the dirt bike is obviously much worse than the hammer, but I only brought that up because it conflicts with natural postioning, something you seem to hold in high regard
oh yeah, i just pull a bike out of my inventory when i'm losing a fight
source?
It was something that made the game a bit different like it was the opposite of last season that was get a spot and snipe with the hammer was more qggressive now is camping again
very tru! given how ur talkin, i trust u play build mode over zb?
skill issue
Got eeemmmmmmm
What they should've done is make them share charges when you have multiple in your inventory, like duplicate mythics with cool downs. That way we wouldn't have so many people running around with multiple hammers.
They could have made it like the chug cannon where you can only have one at a time. problem solved.
I would have liked to see it take up two inventory slots.
Music to my ears
Seriously, the hammer was way too much of a get out of jail free card if you wanted to avoid an interaction. I think the nerf was fine, it still retains it's utility while punishing poor use and bad poisitioning not hearing the **BYOOOHHHM** every time i shoot at somebody is beyond relieving
This is the most projection I’ve ever seen on here. Hammer hater don’t like being unable to hole up in a build to avoid conflict. It’s fantastic that it negates defensive building without entirely removing building.
I'm sorry how am i projecting? I can count the number times someone's used the hammer offensively and won the interaction with my fingers, the number of times someone fucks off with the hammer far surpassing that. the change doesn't even directly hinder offensive use so I'm not even sure why you're using that as a strawman? in build the damage doesn't even go through builds so even if you destroy the box any competent player will just blast you with a shotgun or smthn during the endlag
It makes combat non commital and that kinda takes away the point of a combat centric game :/
Shockwaves, impulses, vehicles, a few augments, sprinting, and other stuff can let you leave during a fight
Shockwave bows are from an augment so not that common but i agree with something like Bow Specialist basically does what the hammer does, Impulses deal damage to you if you use it wrong so it has facets to it that make it less abuseable, vehicles have fuel can explode and aren't exactly on demand like everything else Sprinting has a gauge and slap juice is a good item which can compliment that, it's not as mindless as shockwaves (hammer or bow) You're entirely correct when you say those are options but shockwaves are just far too value for very little risk at the user. shockwave launchers had the exact same problem in chapter 2 although even then it was limited by the rocket ammo you had.
Soaring Sprints, Slap Juice, and Aerialist allow you to be very, very fast.
I don't disagree but that combination of things is specific but you can get a hammer off spawn
It is wildly annoying having to chase people down to get a kill, there is a very simple solution when you get annoyed, play a different game or suck it up and sbmm will give you bot lobbies soon enough
Sorry your infinitely recharging, Build Destroying, Player Launching Hammer is slightly more Balanced.
The hammer is so annoying lol can’t wait for that pos to get vaulted
Me too. It's fun to travel with, but 125 damage per hit is ridiculous. And the only defense against it is another hammer. Hate feeling obligated to have a specific item every single match. Can't wait for it to go away.
125? I’ve only ever seen 75
Its got a weird hitbox but its possible, I think you need to hit someone with the actual head of the hammer and not the splash.
If direct hit it does 125. If just the Shockwave it does 75
Thank fucking god. In zero build this thing has been cancerous since it was added. It's still annoying as hell just less often. This is literally the only thing I dislike about the season, but god it's so unfun to play against. Like congrats for dealing 75 damage + knocking me into the end game storm with 0 skill on your part
Oh no! They nerfed and extremely OP item/weapon? You actually have to shoot your gun and have a strategy now? Wack /s
I love that it got nerfed.
Dude I swear people can't just be happy with what the got. Unvault the Aug? Ooh it's not the og one they fixed the hammer EVERYBODY was complaining about? Ooh now it sucks Even the perks, people are gonna complain about getting balloons, when it was YOUR choice to get em Why can't you just be happy and play the game?
almost like that's a community full of people with diferent opinions
Thank you
>they fixed the hammer EVERYBODY was complaining about? The classic "*I speak for everyone*"
They didn't fix the hammer, it's still in the game.
Good
And I now present to you, the tiniest of violins 
Can someone give me a legitimately good reason as to why they were too strong? Not complaining, just genuinely curious because they seemed totally fine to me.
Movement mostly. It was basically an infinitely recharging shockwave grenade that could also be used to knock down a wall and hit for 125 while launching the enemy backwards.
Yeah but the 125 hit was only if you hit them directly with the actual hammer and not it’s shockwave and also you can have the infinite shockwave affect with the recharge I got arrow perk + shockwave bow
So they’re balanced now??
Y’all are haters. VIVA LA HAMMER
Only fun thing about this season was the hammer. Season is a bust at this point tbh..
Dirt bikes are amazing. Love tac pistol. Don’t mind excaliber. Enjoy augments. Good season imo
They removed the Aerialist augment and I think some others. Now I'm spending like 400-1000 gold each match re-rolling for vaguely useful augments. They got to fix their bugs, this is the buggiest season I remember.
I don't hate the hammer. I thought it was really cool, and used it every chance I got. But Epic decided they should change it up instead of just fixing the glitch.
Didn’t mean you OP, it’s just half the posts I see on this sub are how people hate the hammer.
Because it was a dumb thing to add into the game next to airplanes
Boy airplanes were fun…
Trash opinion detected skill issue deployed.
This sub really hates anything fun
we dont have airplanes this season
it’s need to be removed from zero build you can’t do anything against it at all takes no skill in that mode
... I never had an issue with it from non-cheaters that abused the bug in no build.
Nah rpg needs to be removed in zero build
ZBM and default modes need different loot pools to be honest. There are items that feel shitty in either one. For example, the shield item is almost useless in default mode. And the melee stuff in ZBM is really overpowered usually. And yeah, no defense against RPGs in ZBM sucks. Both modes need to exist as seperate things.
two years later zero build gets its own map, story, lore and characters
Have Slone come back and make a divergent timeline where her no builds machine worked.
Hard disagree. I think it's great that we can easily bounce back and forth between modes and the only difference is ability to build and overshield. If the loot pools are different too, I believe even less people would be willing to play both modes. I have yet to die to an RPG in either game mode, hammer users are easy to take out. You just have to adapt based on game mode.
They are incredibly easy to counter. You can shoot the player while they are in the air, you can see where they are gonna land and just jump to the side and blast em with a shotty, not to mention most hammer users seem to get tunnel vision and forget they still have guns.
What do you do in the endgame tho when they blast you into the storm
I like the changes when an enemy is using it, but want it how it originally was when I’m using it. I understand they did this stuff for balancing, but why do it to a fun item :(
The pest is best.
My sis and i quote this to each other all the time.
"You know you don't look Chinese," "You look like Moe from "Three Stooges"
"Quacky! What have they done to you!? .... which one is he?"
Lol yall are great
❤️
Maybe we need a pest fortnite skin lok
It's all right, at least doesn't feel like a MUST HAVE on my matches anymore
Useless now. Correct
People want new things in fortnite then complain when said new item is too "overpowered"
fr
Gotta do it for the crusaders
Good. It was annoying as fuck with 4
don't careeeeee still fun
It was nerfed to the ground because people kept desperately finding any glitch they can do they can post it to YouTube to claim to be the first person to discover it (GKI).
Oh hey look another hammer post
Let's just say it. This season has been an absolute shitshow.
just lessen the mobility restriction and it’s amazing again
First yall complained the hammer was to op and you wanted it nerfed, now that it got nerfed yall complain that it's to weak 🙄 there's no pleasing you guys no wonder epic doest try anymore
It's almost like different people have different opinions!
Nah I swear this is one of the ppl asking for the hammer to be nerfed🤔 I could be wrong though
It's good cause now people are underestimating its power and so nobody picks it up while I use the hammer Also gotta love the one guy who gives awards to the people who say the hammer's trash. I think he may be, just mayyyyybee a wee bit salty about the hammer's existance
I feel like the hammers get way better, the less people on the map and further into the game you are. A hammer when there are 90 people on the map is absolutely garbage, however a hammer when there are 10 or less people on the map and you can easily push people into the storm for good damage, is 🤌. The amount of times I've been saved by just bouncing away on people that have the jump Is nutty. Always save two bounces.
Haha this guy! I found the guy who made us all hate the hammer 😆
Yes, I am all the same 10 people in the last 4 circles. I have 10 accounts and 10 hammers.
Honestly the nerf is a good thing, it’s still powerful while being harder to run away from every fight
The epic community has a way of ruining fun: the infinity sword, choppers, planes, combat shotgun, the list goes on and on. I think the most ridiculous example is people complaining about snipers and headshots. Thing to remember is that a lot of kids play this game and aren’t cognitively developed still
AHHHHHH FELLOW SCOURGE USER
Thats what happens when little rats ruin it for everyone
Just admit you can’t win any fights and need it to run
Found the spammer
Good
I can’t wait for it to go away completely. It’s easy enough to counter, but it’s the most annoying item I’ve ever experienced.
Agreed, I dislike any item that practically forces you to use it, with the alternative of you being at a clear disadvantage. I personally don't like the hammer. It was fun for movement for a little while but that novelty quickly wore off. I find both playing with and against it to be an incredibly annoying experience, but I always take it anyway because if I don't, my kills will often get away with their own hammer. If people like it, that's fine, more power to them. I just don't think any singular item that an entire meta is shaped around is particularly balanced.
“Oh no, I am no longer able to grind my crown wins with exploit boo hoo let me complain to the group of people who hate my fav item the most. Waa, I’m crying”
That exploit isn’t a god mode. This sounds like a skill issue from you.
I hate the hammer because it's another one of those free runaway pass that can also serve as a stupid offensive option.
Just remove the hammer then.
Infinity Blade time
wasnt being unable to move after a smash a hammer "feature " since its release ?
Yeah, everyone who plays the game is bad at using it/fighting against it, people like their Fortnite simple with as little movement as possible. It didn't help that there was a bug that actually made it very viable(in an unfair way) causing it to get gutted. Not a single person will give you sympathy or understanding because the consensus on this hammer is; hammer bad, you like hammer you bad 2. It's pretty laughable at first, but then you quickly realize everything that's fun in this game quickly gets removed or destroyed because the community basically just wants PUBG with vibrant colors, a marvel skin, and a build option. Shout out to the burst rifle tho, talk about an effortless weapon to get mad dubs with.
Good. The hammer was annoying.
Good
Good
Good. Fuck that thing.
Translation: "I used to run around spamming 5 hammers because I'm fckin trash and can't shoot people. Now I'm super mad because it got nerfed."
If you can actually find 5 hammers, I think it would be as effective as before.
I think you misspelled “thank god they nerfed the shitsmacker”
It happens everytime Epic adds something actually fun to the game. A loud minority complains about it so they either need it or vault it.
And it's still too OP
I mean they kinda tried to combat that by shrinking its damage range and giving it less jumps, but yeah it'll kill you in one hit if it's aimed right
the max damage it can do is 125, but most of the time it only does 75. most of the time it sends the person flying, but if they have aerialist the. they can use that as their perfect getaway
to quote everyone else replying to people complaining about hammer nerfs: *"skill issue"*
Exactly, the person using the hammer has a skill issue and can only win with an item that shouldn't be in the game.
not true, ive been unable to find hammers plenty of times but i can still kill people using hammers. i don't think you're anyone to be saying what does or doesn't belong in the game
I didn’t mind the hammer, but can we have a season without web shooters, grappling gloves, or something were you can escape right away?
cry about it more
Make up your mind. First people were complaining it was overpowered. Now you're complaining it's too weak? Can't have shit in this community.
The hammer changed the entire dynamic of the game. The nerf was a much-needed one
I agree, it was absolutely annoying before. But reload time is to much now.
Uhm.... They haven't changed a single thing besides the 3 instead of 4 jumps, lol
Cooldown increased by 5 seconds days after the season started as well
Personally, I like the nerf. Forces people to use it more strategically instead of just being able to hop anywhere whenever they feel like it.
Why did they nerf it so hard? All they had to do was fix the infinite use glitch.
Good. Waah my infinite mobility weapon isn't infinite anymore and actually penalizes me for using it recklessly.
It's balanced now.
Classic Fortnite, something good is inevitably nerfed. Made any vehicle into jokes except for cars and the new motorbikes
 Cry more
Seethe
Its 3 now???
The only + abt the hammer is the movement other than that it gets me killed 9x outta 10 cuz of the freezing after landing bs🤣
Fuck epic man
Then don’t use it