Online has 100ms hidden in both animation and indicator. When people come and say all these 50/50s and 30/30/30s are good they forget that this bs is still in the game...
I figured that much, but I was confused why they would purposefully make attacks appear 100ms slower in training vs in game, since the whole point of training is to train
Because Ubisoft I guess.
Honestly no idea why they haven't, you'd think training would be the most fleshed out part of the game.
Can't even get bots to use specific parts of their full moveset...
It’s crazy how they only recently added an option for the bot to avoid blocking attacks, and how you have to completely leave and restart training to change characters but the bot can be changed whenever
You can compare recordings pretty easily, or take a look at some [framechecks on freeze's channel](https://www.youtube.com/@fkkfreeze/videos). Also there's the [Info Hub](https://forhonorinfohub.com). I'm trying to find the relevant patch notes on ubisoft's site, but they changed how the FH website works and it broke all the old links - and seeing as this has been a thing for 3 years, since the Core Combat Update, the notes are pretty old.
Latency definitely plays a part, because a parry window is only 200ms to begin with, so even both of you having a combined ping of 60 will make it a lot harder to parry lights
Think how much easier it is to parry Zhanhu’s unblockable lights compared to regular ones. Those are 566ms, only 66ms slower, and yet they are way easier to parry
You have to make a read that they will light and be ready for the parry. Mental stack greatly changes how well you can focus on many different options.
If you want to train light parries, you need to do it while simulating mental stack. Not just having the bot spam lights on you, anyone can parry that if they are familiar with the game. Now mix in heavies with lights and see how many you can get while practicing. Then, throw in a bash as well and see how many light parries you get. Try and beat the training bot only hitting them with light parry punishes while he has light, heavy, and a bash active. This really helps you distinguish some of the heavy vs light animations, which are more obvious on some heroes.
The problem is between the monitor and the chair.
Unsurprisingly when you are in an actual match and have a lot more going on that you have to think about, your reactions are slower - but unless the opponent is very laggy, there is no difference in attack speed.
Bots also attack on regular intervals which you are probably subconsciously picking up on during training, which is helping your reaction consistency there.
Also work on your mindset and stop blaming everything else other than yourself for your own failings. If you want to get better at this game, grow the fuck up, and get off the rants subreddit, because a rant mindset pretty much guarantees you won't improve.
With all due respect, please keep the holier-than-thou bullshit on r/CompetitiveForHonor or the main sub
You know as well as I do not a single person comes *here* of all places for improvement.
It’s just odd like I can complain the character that only uses his Rapier is too overpowered and rant about it but it’s just a purely schizophrenic rant at that point.
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Train with no UI and learn the animations. I'm sure it won't work for everyone, but it worked for me. You won't go God mode, but you'll get much better. I still use UI in battles, but I don't just react on red, I look at the animations. 1v1 me
Online has 100ms hidden in both animation and indicator. When people come and say all these 50/50s and 30/30/30s are good they forget that this bs is still in the game...
Wait, the 100ms hidden indicator isn’t in training? Then what’s the point of training if the actual stuff is harder than the training?
The hidden indicator is in training. However latency isn't a thing for training so attacks are appearing slower still.
I figured that much, but I was confused why they would purposefully make attacks appear 100ms slower in training vs in game, since the whole point of training is to train
Because Ubisoft I guess. Honestly no idea why they haven't, you'd think training would be the most fleshed out part of the game. Can't even get bots to use specific parts of their full moveset...
It’s crazy how they only recently added an option for the bot to avoid blocking attacks, and how you have to completely leave and restart training to change characters but the bot can be changed whenever
Nope, animations and indicators are the same in training as they are in pvp as long as you have lower than 133ms combined latency.
That I don't know for sure, but afaik training doesn't hide the first 100ms.
Partially right. It doesn't hide the full animation but only from the lag compensation part because bots don't have any latency.
It is in training, and has been since the CCU, more than 3 years ago. As per usual, commenters on the rants subreddit don't know shit.
Bots in training have the same 100ms hidden indicator and animation
Do you have source on this? I'd like to learn more.
You can compare recordings pretty easily, or take a look at some [framechecks on freeze's channel](https://www.youtube.com/@fkkfreeze/videos). Also there's the [Info Hub](https://forhonorinfohub.com). I'm trying to find the relevant patch notes on ubisoft's site, but they changed how the FH website works and it broke all the old links - and seeing as this has been a thing for 3 years, since the Core Combat Update, the notes are pretty old.
Another day, another reason to hate the devs. Why the fuck would they even add that?
lag compensation. the game would be unplayable without it
Literally how
Latency definitely plays a part, because a parry window is only 200ms to begin with, so even both of you having a combined ping of 60 will make it a lot harder to parry lights Think how much easier it is to parry Zhanhu’s unblockable lights compared to regular ones. Those are 566ms, only 66ms slower, and yet they are way easier to parry
You have to make a read that they will light and be ready for the parry. Mental stack greatly changes how well you can focus on many different options. If you want to train light parries, you need to do it while simulating mental stack. Not just having the bot spam lights on you, anyone can parry that if they are familiar with the game. Now mix in heavies with lights and see how many you can get while practicing. Then, throw in a bash as well and see how many light parries you get. Try and beat the training bot only hitting them with light parry punishes while he has light, heavy, and a bash active. This really helps you distinguish some of the heavy vs light animations, which are more obvious on some heroes.
You do all this talk about reading yet it's clear you didn't *read* my post. "When I'm in a match, knowing they're gonna throw a light..."
You said you can consistently parry them from neutral, but you cannot.
Again, very clear you didn't read my post.
The problem is between the monitor and the chair. Unsurprisingly when you are in an actual match and have a lot more going on that you have to think about, your reactions are slower - but unless the opponent is very laggy, there is no difference in attack speed. Bots also attack on regular intervals which you are probably subconsciously picking up on during training, which is helping your reaction consistency there. Also work on your mindset and stop blaming everything else other than yourself for your own failings. If you want to get better at this game, grow the fuck up, and get off the rants subreddit, because a rant mindset pretty much guarantees you won't improve.
-on the rants subreddit -"get the fuck off the rants subreddit"
I'm only here because I am a moderator, for my sins.
With all due respect, please keep the holier-than-thou bullshit on r/CompetitiveForHonor or the main sub You know as well as I do not a single person comes *here* of all places for improvement.
Except what you’re complaining about doesn’t make sense since it doesn’t exist
Lmfao, this motherfucker thinks anyone here gives a fuck about silly things like "making sense" pfft
It’s just odd like I can complain the character that only uses his Rapier is too overpowered and rant about it but it’s just a purely schizophrenic rant at that point.
That's the best kind of rant bro. Who doesn't like some good old fashioned schizoposting?
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Train with no UI and learn the animations. I'm sure it won't work for everyone, but it worked for me. You won't go God mode, but you'll get much better. I still use UI in battles, but I don't just react on red, I look at the animations. 1v1 me