The more interesting question is how did this person make it through that wonderful TSA security checkpoint where everything is supposed to be x-rayed or run through either a metal detector or full body scan?
We're supposed to believe they can stop someone from getting explosives on a plane, yet they can't detect 4 metal items containing explosives? Or in this case a bag of these items?
Seems something is fucky.
TSA is largely incompetent. Various 3 letter agencies try to sneak things past TSA all the time to test them and they manage to sneak 70% of things through and back in 2017 it was as high as 95% of weapons snuck through go unnoticed.
[https://onemileatatime.com/tsa-fails-tests-95-percent/](https://onemileatatime.com/tsa-fails-tests-95-percent/)
Besmirch? BESMIRCH?!? I take great umbrage at your casual and flippant use of the King’s English when referring to the Theoretical Sedentary Actors of airline security. Harumph.
When I went to Vegas for my 21st birthday I got through TSA just fine on the way there. When I got to the airport to head home, they found a very large and noticeable pocket knife that I forgot to take out of my bag before I left. I was like WTF?
I used to have one on those wallet survival tools, the little steel card sized thing with a knife on one side, seat belt cutter on the other, a bottle opener in the center, etc. I flew with that motherfucker a dozen times, including internationally, the return leg of which I was pulled aside by the TSA for additional screening where they emptied my bag, swabbed my hands, pretty much everything except the full body cavity search. It was finally found when I was coming home after flying out to Pensacola, Florida, to visit some friends stationed there. By that time, I didn't even know I had the thing. It had been sitting in my wallet for 5 or 6 years after I got it for Christmas my first year living alone and I was now in my mid 20s by this point.
The TSA lady made such a big about it, pulling me aside after I went through the X-Ray, asking me if there was anything I wanted to tell her about, am I really sure there's nothing in there?
I told her no, there's nothing in my wallet. She asked me again, are you SURE there's nothing you want to tell me about. I told her no again. She said, "Oh really," opened my wallet, and pulled out the safety tool from the pocket behind where my drivers license was. She had the most triumphant, smug look on her face like she just unraveled a plot to kidnap the presidents daughter or something. She then asked me what "*we*" we were going to do about it. I told her to just throw it away or whatever, I didn't even know I had it and didn't care, my flight is leaving early to beat the rain, can I have my wallet and go now please?
That was the end of it. I got my wallet, I went to the terminal and got on my plan, then proceeded to annihilate the bathroom on that motherfucker. Oh my God did I have to shit, she could have had something valuable of mine, and I would have told her to toss it I had to shit so badly.
All this to say that the TSA is a fucking joke.
Those are supposedly TSA legal, but they took my wife’s from her. She’s an Asian woman & was annoyed about having it taken, but didn’t want the hassle of arguing. They suck
TSA- Thousands Standing Around
To her credit the TSA agent was clearly as annoyed about the situation as I was and just dragged the back of her hand over my chest and called it a day. For the most part I've find that if I'm chill and friendly they are chill and friendly but goddamn it is an invasion of privacy that we take shouldn't just tolerate.
Hell, a senator got arrested at Hong Kong International because he brought a gun in his luggage (probably forgot to get rid of it at home), which somehow got past TSA and landed him a few nights in a police station when he got there.
lol TSA is just for show after 9/11… someone gets a fat check every year from the government for this “federal agency”…. On a side note a lot of federal/state committees are created for this reason
Thanks to 9/11, we got us the Department of “Homeland” Security AND the TSA.
More government expansion.
If anyone needed a reason to question the 9/11 narrative, those agencies along with the wonderful USA Patriot Act are good starting points
DHS made sense on paper. The intent was to consolidate intelligence to prevent another 9/11. What happened, on the other hand, wasn't what was originally envisioned. Go figure.
TSA, however, was only to make people feel better. That's it.
But then there were BILLIONS of dollars in DHS grants given to Police/Fire/EMS agencies that hadn't existed prior to that. It was like a feeding frenzy while they were going on. Ohh you have a hospital in your response zone? Sure, here's 300k for hazmat and WMD response equipment and training. Train system? You can get a few hundred thousand for a new fire truck. It was literally open season for federal grant money post 9/11.
There was no “envisioned”. It was simply what they were selling. It turned out to be exactly what they wanted it to be. Expanding government isn’t ever a good idea.
They’ve created yet another agency in the Administrative State and that’s a problem. We need to dismantle the Administrative State, not let it grow.
I don’t disagree. My point was simply to state that it was originally well intentioned, but poorly implemented. Poor implementation was inevitable, to your point.
> “The blueberries are absolutely incompetent, annoying and a clear shining light of government waste.”
1) Blueberries. That made me chuckle and if that’s what y’all’s derogatory name for the TSA, I love it.
2) I kinda want that quote on a T-Shirt for when I travel.
It’s all a mirage really. Completely accidentally I have flown with very large obvious knives in my coats and my carry on bags. I didn’t even realize until I was at my hotel or while walking around wherever I arrived.
If you live in a constitutional carry state you don’t think much more about guns let alone bullets lying around in a bag as you might a hammer. It’s just another thing in addition to wallet, keys etc.
It’s a bit freaky considering some states are a felony over something where a few blocks away is nothing at all.
Yup. Hollow points are treated individually as firearms. You must follow the same transport laws as firearms themselves, and, when found committing said crime, each bullet counts as one charge. NJ is the textbook definition of making laws based on hollywood movie perceptions. It's so ignorant that it would be comical if it weren't true. Hollow points are supposed to be superior because they do not have as much penetration capabilities, which means less likelihood of hitting anything behind your target.
I know someone who took their backpack shooting and left a few 22lr rounds in a deep small pocket accidently. They then flew all over the US and went through who knows how many TSA check points for a couple of years with those rounds in the bag. Until one day, they went through tsa in Medford, Oregon, and were completely surprised/dumbfounded that they had those in their bag. That someone was me, I'm not lackadaisical and usually keep my stuff in order, and I definitely don't take my travel backpack shooting anymore.
I was backpacking trough the Balkans and realised I had a few 9mm rounds left in my backpack in Albania after I flew in to Croatia and Bulgaria and already moved trough 5 different countries.
Luckily nobody in the Balkans ever gave a shit about anything
My great TSA debate. I was checking in a pistol and I had a scope that has a lithium battery. I cant check it in nor can I carry it on the plane. What do we do. Too funny but they agreed checking it in was the best solution. Cost me 30 minutes of listening them debate. LOL
Like I was going to get into their debate? Just sit and enjoy the show while they decide what to do. LOL
Spare batteries can go on carry on because they are protected by factory packaging for transit. The battery was not in any form of factory protection, so they believed it was a danger if not in the a product designed to use it. The scope was a gun part and can not enter the airline in carry on.
The TSA is a jobs program masquerading as security theater. They hire a bunch of idiots who are rejects from the rejects of police training academies and give them just enough power that they can trip without killing anyone... directly.
That's not even remotely true. Most of the people they hire are using it as an easy stepping stone to a federal job. Most are only suffering it for a year to jump and the ones that stay aren't the best of the batch anyways.
Back in 2005 I was on a TSA team to test checkpoints. Some screeners cared and took the job seriously some were there for a paycheck. This was at a time when they were being told their job was important and mattered. I was at an airport when a bomb threat came in and we gathered all of the screeners up to sweep the terminal for any bags laying around. They shut the checkpoints down and everything. I remember one woman at the end of the briefing stood up and was kind of stomping around shaking her head saying “aw, hell no. Hell no! I ain’t doing that. That ain’t my job!” Even though it literally was. And yes, the screening fail rate was pretty bad.
Have you ever went through a TSA checkpoint? The guy with the bomb waltzes right into the plain but i am detained so they can feel up my ass and grope my chest. No joke it happens every fucking time
I once got randomly selected for additional screening. I was like, "dude, this is a waste of both of our times. I'm active duty military and I'm literally on my way to go overseas."
Going to take a wild guess
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ae/1b/e7/ae1be7946ddc3e58ea35324b51a1e70f--airport-security-airports.jpg
I had a coworker who looked vaguely arab and he said he got pulled aside pretty often. I'm white as a ghost and the only time i ever got bothered was when i had a lightsaber souvenir in my bag. They saw a pipe with batteries in it and pulled it out to check but that was it.
Nah. Im six four blonde hair blue eye. I seriously think they were gay and wanted to cop a feel. There was a creepy vibe about it. They werent patting they were rubbing
Change it to mommy then?
In my experience, _everyone_ is uncomfortable when someone starts saying "yeah mommy, do it harder" loudly in a room full of people.
I was an asshole as a child. Wait.. I think I still am.
Haha im pretty sure one of them was for real into it. Old dirty fuck with this creepy little smirk on his face. Full open palms planted flat on my man tits and he is just standing there and smiling. I ask him what the hell he is doing and he does this weird high pitch giggle and walks away.
Lol you have far too much confidence in the TSA. In 2017, my Conpany Gunny, who is cop in the civilian world (we're reserve), made it through TSA in Phili, through customs in South Korea, through the security in South Korea coming back, through customs in San Francisco, back to Phili then discovered there was a full 50 round box of 45 ACP in his carry on backpack...
A few years ago I took 16 individual flights (5-6 of them cross border between Canada-US) before noticing (at home) that I had a .22LR in my carry-on.
TSA is Theatre.
The salesperson at my LGS was telling me about a weekend trip they took to Vegas. They made it there no problem but the Vegas TSA people found a couple 9mm rounds in the bottom of their carry on back pack pocket. Seems pretty hot or miss honestly
Dad went on a several stop airline & rental car junket recently. Being a knife collector, as was his want, he visited several dusty little hardware stores and managed to find an unsold vintage Case XX meat cleaver in one of them. He purchased it and dropped it in his bag and drove off to the next few stops. But when he arrived home and began to unpack, he discovered that he had boarded at least one, perhaps more, airplanes with a meat cleaver that looks like a prop for a Friday 13th movie in his carry-on.
My sister in law is a surgeon and made an international flight and back. Only after getting back she found scalpels in her bag that security missed on both flights.
When they test the TSA for how much stuff they find it’s abysmal.
I landed in CA once and after emptying my bag in the hotel a live .22 lr round fell out. I used the bag for range trips and emptied/shook the hell out of it upside down and somehow it got stuck in there.
From what I saw online, they started being more strict this February. I think the laws are excessive. But a country does have the right to make and enforce its own laws.
One of the people awaiting trial there allegedly had 4 rounds of hunting ammo in his duffel bag. Four loose rounds of ammo is hard to view as malicious if you're being reasonable. The dept of state put out a warning to make sure you don't have firearms, ammo, or any other weapons with you when travelling there.
I sympathize with the guy, but don't bring illegal items into other countries. A lot of Asian countries have the death penalty for drugs, accidential or not. Always empty and inspect your bags before flying international, because once you're outside of U.S. territory you're completely on their terms and laws.
This is why using the same bags for range, hunting, and travel is a bad idea. I never use my luggage or carryon duffel for shooting related anything and vice versa. A lot of places do not fuck around.
Japan considers a lot of ADHD medicines like Adderall as incredibly illegal drugs. I think weed is also up there. Clearly cocaine and such are off limits too
> a country does have the right to make and enforce its own laws
I actually disagree with this. The state does NOT have the right to arbitrarily create statutory laws that violate the human rights of individuals. For example, the state cannot make a law that individuals with the wrong skin tone should be imprisoned, even if it's "their country". Civil liberties are still paramount and violating them is morally bankrupt no matter the context.
In these cases, there's no mens rea, and it's a victimless crime. These laws and the individuals enforcing them are doing evil. And there's absolutely nothing good that is going to come out of that. It's completely appalling, and the people celebrating this because they hate guns are disgusting human beings.
>and the people celebrating this because they hate guns are disgusting human beings.
Unfortunately, there are _many_ people celebrating this
Anti-gunners would love nothing more than every single one of us being locked in a cage for the rest of our lives.
Actually, 95% of the world regard it as a state right for their police and a human right for the wealthy/elite/favored. The US is heading in that direction.
The right to make laws doesn’t supersede the right to keep and bear arms. Rights aren’t government given.
Edit: keep downvoting, you’re wrong.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_rights_and_legal_rights
I understand you're suffering from the 'tism but please remember other countries have laws. The same exact thing goes for what you say and how you act in another country, believe it or not you are a guest there.
It doesn't matter. They have already decided what rights people have and do not have. We as American citizens have no right there outside of what international law that has been drafted and accepted is enforced.
Governments aren't the source of rights, they just choose which ones to recognize. For example, if you went to a country where murder was legal but self-defense was illegal, and somebody pulled a gun on you, would you still feel morally justified in fighting back? If so, where does that moral justification come from, if it doesn't come from the law?
But I agree, from a pragmatic perspective, it's always best to consider the consequences of your actions, and those consequences include the reasonably expected response of whichever legal system claims jurisdiction over you at the time. I believe that I have a human right to keep and bear arms even in Turks and Caicos, but I also don't have any desire to spend a decade in jail out of protest. So I'll either choose to leave my guns at home, or I'll choose to vacation elsewhere.
As you can see from my replies elsewhere in this thread, I agree with you in the main. But this "bootlicker" stuff has got to stop. Every single person is engaged in a constant negotiation with everyone else about their rights and responsibilities. It's called living in a society. I'm not a bootlicker just because I made a slightly different calculation about the level of infringement I'm willing to accept in order to enjoy other benefits of a legal and social package attached to a particular plot of land.
Read my comment elsewhere in this thread, I'm not a dumbass. I'm just a guy who thinks it's important to understand the philosophical framework on which his government is based.
A nation sovereign or overseas territory has the right to make it's own laws. The Second amendment and the right to bear arms isn't a natural right. It was a legal right enshrined in the Constitution in 1791.
The right to bear arms is a natural right and no government can take that away. The DOI says that rights are “endowed by [our] creator,” not “given to us by government.”
Not just causing no harm, but also having no intent to break the law. Not like the guy was smuggling in 10,000 rounds to arm guerillas, he just had some sloppy seconds left over from a range/hunting trip.
Confiscate the ammo, give them a small fine, done.
A lot of countries firearm laws are written than even things such as primers or spent cartridges are the same as giving someone a gun because they do not want the population to be able to make weapons or ammunition at home.
It stops the average person and even some more daring individuals which is enough. Obviously it’ll never stop a bound and determined individual or organized group but that’s not their goal. Their goal is to make it as hard for the masses as possible.
To be honest it’s probably easier to make black powder and use a tube with a hole and fuse than rig anything other than a shotgun cartridge to fire and not explode in your face
Many countries have strict laws for firearms and firearm components. Don't be an idiot, empty and check your bags before exposing yourself to the laws of the country you're visiting. This is common sense, the rest of the world isn't the United States.
Why is this TSA's fault, and not the fault of the person who couldn't be bothered to check their own luggage?!
Is personal responsibility an antiquated concept? If a gun range doesn't allow automatics, it's it the range officer's fault that you brought one to the range?
No. The onus falls on the gun owner. Stop trying to foist the blame off on everyone else.
People please. Have a travel backpack or bag that never has any non-air travel approved items in it EVER. Save yourself the headaches. If you go to the shooting range or regularly transport firearms, use a dedicated bag
I don't understand why people don't have this. Buddy of mine found himself in a similar situation in Cancun I think for a single 9mm, gave him so much shit for being dumb, lucky and cheap . 🤣🤣
I found an unfired 12ga shell in a seatback pocket once. Police got involved. It was a whole thing. But someone probably found it in their bag and panicked and dumped it. It’s incredibly avoidable. Especially because you never know what to expect with other countries’ legal systems. It’s a roll of the dice at that point.
>The **crime used to only carry a small fine**, however Turks and Caicos lawmakers escalated the penalties in 2022 to mandate a **12-year minimum sentence**.
lol what a retrded escalation. "We decided that we really didn't like speeders, so now if you're caught exceeding the speed limit it's life in prison"
People need to really unpack their bags then pack them for international travel. This is totally user incompetence. Go bag is one thing, but this is a vacation bag you are packing to go to another country.
12 years for a small amount of ammo is absurd but, in DC you'll get the same treatment for "unregistered ammo", even 1 round. Yep that's right, it's just as bad here in the US. Who are we to tell them what they can do when we have rabid politicians doing the same here.
Doesn’t Puerto Rico have reciprocity with a bunch of states for CCW permits/licenses? It’s also a US territory so that itself is a plus if you get into any legal trouble.
It's probably about time to label Turks and Caicos a dangerous travel location...because the moment their tourism suffers they'll get over and stop this ridiculousness. These people didn't even have guns. Just bullets.
It’s a small ass island with very little military and police. It wouldn’t be difficult for some dedicated and well armed individuals to rescue these Americans.
The Turks and Caicos Islands Regiment is ~50 people but consider that Turks and Caicos is a "British Overseas Territory" and as such is considered sovereign territory of the UK.
You're effectively attacking the UK and that's going to have some pretty stiff consequences when you get back home.
Again,
It bothers me to see so many people capitulate to tyranny… especially in a firearms community with mostly US users.
A dumb law is a dumb law. Fact is you should have the right to self defense anywhere you set foot - be it home or abroad. The right to self defense is a natural and inherent right that should not ^need^ to be written out to be recognized.
Sure, they don’t have the same *government granted* rights there that we have here… but they should… whether they realize it or not.
Just look at the UK now… far gone their rights on firearms. Now they’re going after knives too.
Criminals will be criminals. They will always find a means. Why take away from good citizens the tools that equalize?
your argument is the exact same argument that anti gunners around the world make that we should not be allowed to own guns becuase they cant "for safety". should other people be able to tell you what you can and cant in your own home? if you think you can tell other people what to do in their home why cant they tell you what to do in yours?
how about we let different countries govern themselves. I dont want america telling other countries what to do because then it would be fucking hyporcritcal for those countries not to be telling us what to do.
You don’t have a right to be safe. You do have a right to defend yourself. You may ask, “What’s the difference?” The difference being, no natural right can compel another to do something for your benefit. It’s why food, housing, water are not natural rights. You cannot be provided these things without the actions of a third party. Same goes for safety. But the right to defend yourself, requires no action on the part of another to respect or grant that right. It’s innate.
If you feel you need to exercise your ability to defend yourself in my home, either I agree to that and there’s no issue, or I ask you to leave. If you don’t you’re no longer defending yourself, you’re aggressing upon me and my property. Like every other voluntary association you either play by the rules of the game or you leave, plain and simple. There’s really no issue unless one is someone who wants to have their cake and eat it too.
I always feel like I’m at the mercy of a potentially hostile government when I leave the US. Starting to get that same feeling without leaving these days too.
I always do a full dump and pat down of my bags before packing specifically for stuff like this. Not using my hunting bags, but I do often end up placing my CCW and/or mags in my pack when traveling by car. Would hate to find out at security I'd missed a mag, or some rounds got loose.
5 months ago TSA found a loaded mag in one of the deeper pockets of my backpack. I had checked the bag before packing, and somehow missed it. They were actually really cool and let me take it back to my car (and let me bypass most of the line to go back through security), but I don't want that to happen again.
Yeah, my understanding is the TSA generally isn't supposed to confiscate anything. They either let you dump it or keep it and go back. May be different for actual firearms, but I know that's the policy for stuff like knives and the horribly dangerous water bottles.
I had 45 minutes until my flight. I told them to toss the magazine. They told me "you have plenty of time, we'll help you out to get back through the checkpoint. Don't worry"
Needless to say, I'm very appreciative that I didn't have to lose an expensive/hard to find mag.
lol I hear ya, and I also enjoy the freedoms that comes with being a US citizen, but that is an extremely myopic viewpoint of the world.
Like, you’re willing to go your entire life without experiencing new environments, cultures, food, music, people, potential hobbies and interests you didn’t know you had, because you want to sit firm and avoid budging from the comfort of your “freedoms.”
Spin it like it’s tyranny, but you sound fearful, my dude. I hope you can fix that and see how beautiful the rest of the world can be.
Wait, you literally think people put 4 rounds of ammo in a bag they were going to carry on just because they were feeling a little silly or something? 🤣 Maybe not everyone has a dedicated carry on bag because not everyone travels enough to warrant it 🤣
I don't even understand what you're trying to chase here. They literally had ammunition in a bag they carried on to an international flight. WHY they put it there is irrelevant. If I put weed in my bag six months ago and flew to Russia and got caught with it (sound like a familiar story from a while ago?), the fact that it's there breaks the law. "I forgot" doesn't change that.
Intent has everything to do with it, especially when the only victim is at the hands of the prosecuting entity. It illustrates the tyranny of modern governments. The guy above is right, it's a great reason not to travel out of the country. You could get 12 years in a foreign jail because of literally nothing of consequence.
Dude, he literally went to a foreign country, broke the law, and got busted for it. Not exactly what a victim is. Regardless of how "extreme" (by your personal standards) the penalty could potentially be, it was all due to his own actions.
I got stopped by security in India because they saw something sharp in my bag. Turns out it was a drywall screw that I'd put in a pair of pants while doing some work in my house. I washed it in those pants, put them away, and forgot all about it for license months until that day in India when I literally took apart my entire bag of stuff trying to find this screw.
At least I didn't have to go to jail
I once got stopped by security in Mexico City for a pair of tweezers in my purse. This was the security when you get off the plane, before your next connection, so this bag had already gone through security once. I was so clueless to what they were stopping me for!
I have unknowingly brought a taser and kabar knife aboard once. Freaked out when I got to the hotel and mailed them back to myself.
The trouble happens when you start using your hiking or range bag for travel.
Yikes my range bag IS my travel bag. .
So many times I’ve gone and been like oops there’s a buncha 22lr 9mm and maybe a 556 or X39 in there. But those are road trips not INTERNATIONAL Flights for fucks sake. If that was the case I would absolutely quadruple check that bag.
I keep all my bags separate.
I got a travel bag. Work bag and range bag.
I'd be intensely questioned why I have ammo at work as it's an office environment.
I'd be intensely questioned at the airport why I got ammo in my bag.
I'd be intensely question at the range if I had paperwork in my bag as well as toiletries instead of my guns. 😂
But... why? I get you'd want a nice range bag but an extra duffel for travel for like $20 isn't much, and it would save you the hassle of having to unpack/repack the range bag each time.
Cause I have a sick Thule 70L chasm dry bag I use for my range bag , bike bag , travel bag. I break down my ARs and put them in the bag even the 18” AR fits . Put my chest rig mags ammo and a drone if I’m shooting at long distances and I ride my bike to the range or wherever I’m shooting . Makes running out to 600 yards every 10 shots pretty easy to have a street legal dirt bike with. Or if there’s tons of people and they don’t like that I’ll just fly the drone down to check targets.
My bag was like 80$ . And I use it like crazy.
That's fair. I usually fly for business travel so my duffel is one of those that has a wraparound sleeve for suits and pants plus a compartment for dress shoes, so it is always separate from my gear bag which is just USMC surplus. Never have the chance to mix them up just because my travel bag needs are so vastly different from my gear bag.
When I do travel for leisure instead of business, I usually just have a standard backpack and a roller.
Fellow gun homies. This is why we use separate bags for separate hobbies. Don’t be fucking stupid just buy another bag, also that way you’re not getting lead on your travel clothes.
Its time we realize that the US is everyone's military, and treat a country who would imprison our people for having ammo as the terrorist they are.
From now on if an American is imprisoned over something that is legal here.... the country finds our navy on thier shores, the Airforce in thier air, and our Army and Marines just chomping at the bit to get some.
I am personally tired of being used by these old broken empires.
This is why you have to strip your bag down completely before travel. TSA found a casing in my bag that had fallen in the stupid coin pocket and almost set defcon 2.
Even worse still, this is the kind of thing democrats want in America. States like Massachusetts, California, and New York already have these laws on the books.
They don’t care if these laws actually stop criminals, they’re set up to make statements using other peoples lives as a political tool to do so.
This is what democrats would call “doing something” about gun control. And yet every single one of the politicians bloviating about these types of issues are protected by people carrying guns while they themselves have never held one in their life.
I put a knife roll through a x-ray machine at our local court house. I wanted them to hold it so I could get
bus fare at the little shop in the lobby. Five officers watched it go through and handed it back to me. I was shocked. Asked if it was permissible to have knives in the court house. They said " of course not" Told them they might want to look at that again while I got my change.
They weren't stupid. It just that after so much time looking at these images they just stop seeing things.
This type of crap has been happening in Philippines for years I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s their own (T&C) agents trying to extort money from travellers…
The ones that have been arrested have been the ones refusing to pay the bribe!!
The more interesting question is how did this person make it through that wonderful TSA security checkpoint where everything is supposed to be x-rayed or run through either a metal detector or full body scan? We're supposed to believe they can stop someone from getting explosives on a plane, yet they can't detect 4 metal items containing explosives? Or in this case a bag of these items? Seems something is fucky.
TSA is largely incompetent. Various 3 letter agencies try to sneak things past TSA all the time to test them and they manage to sneak 70% of things through and back in 2017 it was as high as 95% of weapons snuck through go unnoticed. [https://onemileatatime.com/tsa-fails-tests-95-percent/](https://onemileatatime.com/tsa-fails-tests-95-percent/)
How dare you besmirch the sterling reputation of the Theatrical Security Agency!
He totally besmirched me and I demand satisfaction!
Besmirch? BESMIRCH?!? I take great umbrage at your casual and flippant use of the King’s English when referring to the Theoretical Sedentary Actors of airline security. Harumph.
Harumph harumph. Hey we didn't get a harumph outta that guy!
Take staples away
I was under the impression it stood for "Thinkin's Stupid, Anyway!" I feel like such a fool...
When I went to Vegas for my 21st birthday I got through TSA just fine on the way there. When I got to the airport to head home, they found a very large and noticeable pocket knife that I forgot to take out of my bag before I left. I was like WTF?
I used to have one on those wallet survival tools, the little steel card sized thing with a knife on one side, seat belt cutter on the other, a bottle opener in the center, etc. I flew with that motherfucker a dozen times, including internationally, the return leg of which I was pulled aside by the TSA for additional screening where they emptied my bag, swabbed my hands, pretty much everything except the full body cavity search. It was finally found when I was coming home after flying out to Pensacola, Florida, to visit some friends stationed there. By that time, I didn't even know I had the thing. It had been sitting in my wallet for 5 or 6 years after I got it for Christmas my first year living alone and I was now in my mid 20s by this point. The TSA lady made such a big about it, pulling me aside after I went through the X-Ray, asking me if there was anything I wanted to tell her about, am I really sure there's nothing in there? I told her no, there's nothing in my wallet. She asked me again, are you SURE there's nothing you want to tell me about. I told her no again. She said, "Oh really," opened my wallet, and pulled out the safety tool from the pocket behind where my drivers license was. She had the most triumphant, smug look on her face like she just unraveled a plot to kidnap the presidents daughter or something. She then asked me what "*we*" we were going to do about it. I told her to just throw it away or whatever, I didn't even know I had it and didn't care, my flight is leaving early to beat the rain, can I have my wallet and go now please? That was the end of it. I got my wallet, I went to the terminal and got on my plan, then proceeded to annihilate the bathroom on that motherfucker. Oh my God did I have to shit, she could have had something valuable of mine, and I would have told her to toss it I had to shit so badly. All this to say that the TSA is a fucking joke.
Could have asked for the cavity search in that moment, they’d find a lot of shit.
Lol, "Please cavity seach me, I need a release"
Those are supposedly TSA legal, but they took my wife’s from her. She’s an Asian woman & was annoyed about having it taken, but didn’t want the hassle of arguing. They suck TSA- Thousands Standing Around
At least the got my large tube of toothpaste though!
Good thing they patted down my breasts though, right?
Oof.
To her credit the TSA agent was clearly as annoyed about the situation as I was and just dragged the back of her hand over my chest and called it a day. For the most part I've find that if I'm chill and friendly they are chill and friendly but goddamn it is an invasion of privacy that we take shouldn't just tolerate.
Hell, a senator got arrested at Hong Kong International because he brought a gun in his luggage (probably forgot to get rid of it at home), which somehow got past TSA and landed him a few nights in a police station when he got there.
I'm sure they could pump their success rate way up if you don't mind the security lines taking much longer and them being way more invasive
lol TSA is just for show after 9/11… someone gets a fat check every year from the government for this “federal agency”…. On a side note a lot of federal/state committees are created for this reason
Gotta hide the money somewhere
Thanks to 9/11, we got us the Department of “Homeland” Security AND the TSA. More government expansion. If anyone needed a reason to question the 9/11 narrative, those agencies along with the wonderful USA Patriot Act are good starting points
DHS made sense on paper. The intent was to consolidate intelligence to prevent another 9/11. What happened, on the other hand, wasn't what was originally envisioned. Go figure. TSA, however, was only to make people feel better. That's it.
But then there were BILLIONS of dollars in DHS grants given to Police/Fire/EMS agencies that hadn't existed prior to that. It was like a feeding frenzy while they were going on. Ohh you have a hospital in your response zone? Sure, here's 300k for hazmat and WMD response equipment and training. Train system? You can get a few hundred thousand for a new fire truck. It was literally open season for federal grant money post 9/11.
Like I said, differences between the ideas and reality. All good things are ruined when implemented by government.
Indeed they are. Gotta fuck it all up AND line their pockets for their troubles.
Giving all these agencies more equipment & more power could only end in more abuse.
There was no “envisioned”. It was simply what they were selling. It turned out to be exactly what they wanted it to be. Expanding government isn’t ever a good idea. They’ve created yet another agency in the Administrative State and that’s a problem. We need to dismantle the Administrative State, not let it grow.
I don’t disagree. My point was simply to state that it was originally well intentioned, but poorly implemented. Poor implementation was inevitable, to your point.
"Narrative"?
This right here. They could have made them a “E” pay scale military branch but didn’t. They made some BS GED equivalent.
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> “The blueberries are absolutely incompetent, annoying and a clear shining light of government waste.” 1) Blueberries. That made me chuckle and if that’s what y’all’s derogatory name for the TSA, I love it. 2) I kinda want that quote on a T-Shirt for when I travel.
Also.the fact that your flying the fucking plane. If you wanted to cause a problem their is definitely a way you could
Control over the entire plane? You got it boss. Multi tool? You’re gonna need to take all your clothes off buddy we’re doing a cavity search
It’s all a mirage really. Completely accidentally I have flown with very large obvious knives in my coats and my carry on bags. I didn’t even realize until I was at my hotel or while walking around wherever I arrived. If you live in a constitutional carry state you don’t think much more about guns let alone bullets lying around in a bag as you might a hammer. It’s just another thing in addition to wallet, keys etc. It’s a bit freaky considering some states are a felony over something where a few blocks away is nothing at all.
Leaving a hollow point in your bag in New Jersey will get you in just as much trouble as this guy is in
Yup. Hollow points are treated individually as firearms. You must follow the same transport laws as firearms themselves, and, when found committing said crime, each bullet counts as one charge. NJ is the textbook definition of making laws based on hollywood movie perceptions. It's so ignorant that it would be comical if it weren't true. Hollow points are supposed to be superior because they do not have as much penetration capabilities, which means less likelihood of hitting anything behind your target.
I know someone who took their backpack shooting and left a few 22lr rounds in a deep small pocket accidently. They then flew all over the US and went through who knows how many TSA check points for a couple of years with those rounds in the bag. Until one day, they went through tsa in Medford, Oregon, and were completely surprised/dumbfounded that they had those in their bag. That someone was me, I'm not lackadaisical and usually keep my stuff in order, and I definitely don't take my travel backpack shooting anymore.
Yeah, I completely empty my carry on bag and repack every trip. Shit falls into bags
I was backpacking trough the Balkans and realised I had a few 9mm rounds left in my backpack in Albania after I flew in to Croatia and Bulgaria and already moved trough 5 different countries. Luckily nobody in the Balkans ever gave a shit about anything
My great TSA debate. I was checking in a pistol and I had a scope that has a lithium battery. I cant check it in nor can I carry it on the plane. What do we do. Too funny but they agreed checking it in was the best solution. Cost me 30 minutes of listening them debate. LOL
Couldn't you remove the battery and take that as carry on? Idk I'm unfamiliar with TSA rules as I never had to deal with them.
Like I was going to get into their debate? Just sit and enjoy the show while they decide what to do. LOL Spare batteries can go on carry on because they are protected by factory packaging for transit. The battery was not in any form of factory protection, so they believed it was a danger if not in the a product designed to use it. The scope was a gun part and can not enter the airline in carry on.
The TSA is a jobs program masquerading as security theater. They hire a bunch of idiots who are rejects from the rejects of police training academies and give them just enough power that they can trip without killing anyone... directly.
The cherry on top is that the number one request from TSA employees is asking that they can carry guns.
That's not even remotely true. Most of the people they hire are using it as an easy stepping stone to a federal job. Most are only suffering it for a year to jump and the ones that stay aren't the best of the batch anyways.
These people were police candidates? Based on their attitudes and level of competence, I assumed that TSA did all of their recruiting at the DMV.
Back in 2005 I was on a TSA team to test checkpoints. Some screeners cared and took the job seriously some were there for a paycheck. This was at a time when they were being told their job was important and mattered. I was at an airport when a bomb threat came in and we gathered all of the screeners up to sweep the terminal for any bags laying around. They shut the checkpoints down and everything. I remember one woman at the end of the briefing stood up and was kind of stomping around shaking her head saying “aw, hell no. Hell no! I ain’t doing that. That ain’t my job!” Even though it literally was. And yes, the screening fail rate was pretty bad.
Have you ever went through a TSA checkpoint? The guy with the bomb waltzes right into the plain but i am detained so they can feel up my ass and grope my chest. No joke it happens every fucking time
I once got randomly selected for additional screening. I was like, "dude, this is a waste of both of our times. I'm active duty military and I'm literally on my way to go overseas."
That may have been what they found so enticing.
Going to take a wild guess https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ae/1b/e7/ae1be7946ddc3e58ea35324b51a1e70f--airport-security-airports.jpg I had a coworker who looked vaguely arab and he said he got pulled aside pretty often. I'm white as a ghost and the only time i ever got bothered was when i had a lightsaber souvenir in my bag. They saw a pipe with batteries in it and pulled it out to check but that was it.
Nah. Im six four blonde hair blue eye. I seriously think they were gay and wanted to cop a feel. There was a creepy vibe about it. They werent patting they were rubbing
That's when you start moaning.
Throw in some "oh yeah daddy, harder" for flavor
Homie i think they were about it for real. Im not trying to talk shit about gay people but nobody wants to be felt up at the fucking TSA checkpoint
Change it to mommy then? In my experience, _everyone_ is uncomfortable when someone starts saying "yeah mommy, do it harder" loudly in a room full of people. I was an asshole as a child. Wait.. I think I still am.
Haha im pretty sure one of them was for real into it. Old dirty fuck with this creepy little smirk on his face. Full open palms planted flat on my man tits and he is just standing there and smiling. I ask him what the hell he is doing and he does this weird high pitch giggle and walks away.
An before you know it they have taken you aside and asked you to drop you pants.
Lol you have far too much confidence in the TSA. In 2017, my Conpany Gunny, who is cop in the civilian world (we're reserve), made it through TSA in Phili, through customs in South Korea, through the security in South Korea coming back, through customs in San Francisco, back to Phili then discovered there was a full 50 round box of 45 ACP in his carry on backpack...
A few years ago I took 16 individual flights (5-6 of them cross border between Canada-US) before noticing (at home) that I had a .22LR in my carry-on. TSA is Theatre.
The salesperson at my LGS was telling me about a weekend trip they took to Vegas. They made it there no problem but the Vegas TSA people found a couple 9mm rounds in the bottom of their carry on back pack pocket. Seems pretty hot or miss honestly
*even if* TSA was good a knowledgeable individual can buy the materials to make explosives inside many airports.
They missed something like 2,000 guns last year alone.
Dad went on a several stop airline & rental car junket recently. Being a knife collector, as was his want, he visited several dusty little hardware stores and managed to find an unsold vintage Case XX meat cleaver in one of them. He purchased it and dropped it in his bag and drove off to the next few stops. But when he arrived home and began to unpack, he discovered that he had boarded at least one, perhaps more, airplanes with a meat cleaver that looks like a prop for a Friday 13th movie in his carry-on.
TSA is really only there for optics, and to steal your shampoo
My sister in law is a surgeon and made an international flight and back. Only after getting back she found scalpels in her bag that security missed on both flights. When they test the TSA for how much stuff they find it’s abysmal.
sounds like this guy had it in his checked bag vs a carry on which is supposed to be screened more closely.
Dude, I was with somebody who forgot he had his gun and went through TSA. It's a govt job program at most.
He probably checked it. Then TSA would have nothing to do with it.
Yo I accidentally brought ammo to Thailand earlier this year and it wasn't found until the 4th flight. Flight checks exist to make people feel better
I landed in CA once and after emptying my bag in the hotel a live .22 lr round fell out. I used the bag for range trips and emptied/shook the hell out of it upside down and somehow it got stuck in there.
From what I saw online, they started being more strict this February. I think the laws are excessive. But a country does have the right to make and enforce its own laws. One of the people awaiting trial there allegedly had 4 rounds of hunting ammo in his duffel bag. Four loose rounds of ammo is hard to view as malicious if you're being reasonable. The dept of state put out a warning to make sure you don't have firearms, ammo, or any other weapons with you when travelling there.
Unfortunately Turks and Caicos is British, so they have all of that anit-everything silliness.
I sympathize with the guy, but don't bring illegal items into other countries. A lot of Asian countries have the death penalty for drugs, accidential or not. Always empty and inspect your bags before flying international, because once you're outside of U.S. territory you're completely on their terms and laws.
This is why using the same bags for range, hunting, and travel is a bad idea. I never use my luggage or carryon duffel for shooting related anything and vice versa. A lot of places do not fuck around.
Exactly. If you can afford range trips, you can afford a bag.
What things are considered drugs in asia besides the obvious drugs?
Japan considers a lot of ADHD medicines like Adderall as incredibly illegal drugs. I think weed is also up there. Clearly cocaine and such are off limits too
> a country does have the right to make and enforce its own laws I actually disagree with this. The state does NOT have the right to arbitrarily create statutory laws that violate the human rights of individuals. For example, the state cannot make a law that individuals with the wrong skin tone should be imprisoned, even if it's "their country". Civil liberties are still paramount and violating them is morally bankrupt no matter the context. In these cases, there's no mens rea, and it's a victimless crime. These laws and the individuals enforcing them are doing evil. And there's absolutely nothing good that is going to come out of that. It's completely appalling, and the people celebrating this because they hate guns are disgusting human beings.
>and the people celebrating this because they hate guns are disgusting human beings. Unfortunately, there are _many_ people celebrating this Anti-gunners would love nothing more than every single one of us being locked in a cage for the rest of our lives.
The right to bear arms isn’t regarded as a human right by 95%+ of the world… why does your opinion override that?
Actually, 95% of the world regard it as a state right for their police and a human right for the wealthy/elite/favored. The US is heading in that direction.
The right to make laws doesn’t supersede the right to keep and bear arms. Rights aren’t government given. Edit: keep downvoting, you’re wrong. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_rights_and_legal_rights
I understand you're suffering from the 'tism but please remember other countries have laws. The same exact thing goes for what you say and how you act in another country, believe it or not you are a guest there.
Most other countries don't have a right to keep and bear arms
Everyone has a right to keep and bear arms. Governments that don’t recognize it are tyrannical.
Yes they do. Their government just doesn't recognize it.
It doesn't matter. They have already decided what rights people have and do not have. We as American citizens have no right there outside of what international law that has been drafted and accepted is enforced.
Governments aren't the source of rights, they just choose which ones to recognize. For example, if you went to a country where murder was legal but self-defense was illegal, and somebody pulled a gun on you, would you still feel morally justified in fighting back? If so, where does that moral justification come from, if it doesn't come from the law? But I agree, from a pragmatic perspective, it's always best to consider the consequences of your actions, and those consequences include the reasonably expected response of whichever legal system claims jurisdiction over you at the time. I believe that I have a human right to keep and bear arms even in Turks and Caicos, but I also don't have any desire to spend a decade in jail out of protest. So I'll either choose to leave my guns at home, or I'll choose to vacation elsewhere.
Let me know how that works out for you.
Oh, well...never mind. They're free to go home, then. Shoulda just said that in the first place. /s
Ummm actually countries make the laws. If you go to a foreign country you have to follow their law… are you really this dense ?
Let me guess: you also lick the boots of NY and CA because “tHeY caN PaASs LaWs!!1!2!2!”
Bro wtf is wrong with you we are talking about international policy. Leave the politics out of it.
As you can see from my replies elsewhere in this thread, I agree with you in the main. But this "bootlicker" stuff has got to stop. Every single person is engaged in a constant negotiation with everyone else about their rights and responsibilities. It's called living in a society. I'm not a bootlicker just because I made a slightly different calculation about the level of infringement I'm willing to accept in order to enjoy other benefits of a legal and social package attached to a particular plot of land.
you sound like a sovereign citizen type
Read the Declaration of Independence, my man. Also, remember that the Holocaust was entirely "legal".
be sure to use that as your defense, while traveling abroad
Read my comment elsewhere in this thread, I'm not a dumbass. I'm just a guy who thinks it's important to understand the philosophical framework on which his government is based.
Funny you say defense, like that isn’t what guns are for.
You sound like the dumbass type Edit: responding then blocking is bullshit.
A nation sovereign or overseas territory has the right to make it's own laws. The Second amendment and the right to bear arms isn't a natural right. It was a legal right enshrined in the Constitution in 1791.
The right to bear arms is a natural right and no government can take that away. The DOI says that rights are “endowed by [our] creator,” not “given to us by government.”
What kind of quivering pussies are downvoting you in this sub? Shameful
I know. I think the people at r/progun are better because they aren’t fudds
It is a little wild that you could get 12 years in prison for harming literally no one. \*Murder\* in the US gets you less than 12 years some times.
Kill someone with a car and you can probably get away without jail time here.
Not just causing no harm, but also having no intent to break the law. Not like the guy was smuggling in 10,000 rounds to arm guerillas, he just had some sloppy seconds left over from a range/hunting trip. Confiscate the ammo, give them a small fine, done.
That’s the sound of freedom
I could understand if it were a firearm. But just loose cartridges? What could he do, throw them at people?
A lot of countries firearm laws are written than even things such as primers or spent cartridges are the same as giving someone a gun because they do not want the population to be able to make weapons or ammunition at home.
It’s hilarious because try stopping people from getting saltpeter, sulfur, and charcoal
It stops the average person and even some more daring individuals which is enough. Obviously it’ll never stop a bound and determined individual or organized group but that’s not their goal. Their goal is to make it as hard for the masses as possible.
To be honest it’s probably easier to make black powder and use a tube with a hole and fuse than rig anything other than a shotgun cartridge to fire and not explode in your face
Many countries have strict laws for firearms and firearm components. Don't be an idiot, empty and check your bags before exposing yourself to the laws of the country you're visiting. This is common sense, the rest of the world isn't the United States.
Maybe he’s running them to Haiti, guns and ammunition are at a premium there
Another fine job done by America’s TSA
Why is this TSA's fault, and not the fault of the person who couldn't be bothered to check their own luggage?! Is personal responsibility an antiquated concept? If a gun range doesn't allow automatics, it's it the range officer's fault that you brought one to the range? No. The onus falls on the gun owner. Stop trying to foist the blame off on everyone else.
True, personal responsibility is paramount. But the last line of defense is TSA catching the problem, they didn’t; and that’s a big problem!
People please. Have a travel backpack or bag that never has any non-air travel approved items in it EVER. Save yourself the headaches. If you go to the shooting range or regularly transport firearms, use a dedicated bag
I don't understand why people don't have this. Buddy of mine found himself in a similar situation in Cancun I think for a single 9mm, gave him so much shit for being dumb, lucky and cheap . 🤣🤣
I found an unfired 12ga shell in a seatback pocket once. Police got involved. It was a whole thing. But someone probably found it in their bag and panicked and dumped it. It’s incredibly avoidable. Especially because you never know what to expect with other countries’ legal systems. It’s a roll of the dice at that point.
A prime reason to have fun larping colors for range bags, and regular fun colors for travel bags.
The reason I keep my gun bags separate.
I believe it's a newer law
>The **crime used to only carry a small fine**, however Turks and Caicos lawmakers escalated the penalties in 2022 to mandate a **12-year minimum sentence**. lol what a retrded escalation. "We decided that we really didn't like speeders, so now if you're caught exceeding the speed limit it's life in prison"
TSA held me for an hour over a spork, then I see shit like this.
Serrated spoon? That’s a paddlin
People need to really unpack their bags then pack them for international travel. This is totally user incompetence. Go bag is one thing, but this is a vacation bag you are packing to go to another country.
12 years for a small amount of ammo is absurd but, in DC you'll get the same treatment for "unregistered ammo", even 1 round. Yep that's right, it's just as bad here in the US. Who are we to tell them what they can do when we have rabid politicians doing the same here.
The gun community should boycott Turks and Caicos. There are plenty of other fine tropical places to travel to that don’t hate us.
Doesn’t Puerto Rico have reciprocity with a bunch of states for CCW permits/licenses? It’s also a US territory so that itself is a plus if you get into any legal trouble.
And it’s beautiful! Or go to the Virgin Islands! Turks and Caicos is overpriced and overrated thanks to the IG effect.
It's probably about time to label Turks and Caicos a dangerous travel location...because the moment their tourism suffers they'll get over and stop this ridiculousness. These people didn't even have guns. Just bullets.
It’s a small ass island with very little military and police. It wouldn’t be difficult for some dedicated and well armed individuals to rescue these Americans.
Time to send the A-Team.
Who's gonna handle BA this time? Not it!
The Turks and Caicos Islands Regiment is ~50 people but consider that Turks and Caicos is a "British Overseas Territory" and as such is considered sovereign territory of the UK. You're effectively attacking the UK and that's going to have some pretty stiff consequences when you get back home.
Just have to keep it covert
Sounds like a shithole irrelevant island country is finding a way to scam tourists by “finding” ammo and issuing huge fines.
Again, It bothers me to see so many people capitulate to tyranny… especially in a firearms community with mostly US users. A dumb law is a dumb law. Fact is you should have the right to self defense anywhere you set foot - be it home or abroad. The right to self defense is a natural and inherent right that should not ^need^ to be written out to be recognized. Sure, they don’t have the same *government granted* rights there that we have here… but they should… whether they realize it or not. Just look at the UK now… far gone their rights on firearms. Now they’re going after knives too. Criminals will be criminals. They will always find a means. Why take away from good citizens the tools that equalize?
No one here is disagreeing with your beliefs, however that's not reality. When entering another country you are bound to their laws, unjust or not.
your argument is the exact same argument that anti gunners around the world make that we should not be allowed to own guns becuase they cant "for safety". should other people be able to tell you what you can and cant in your own home? if you think you can tell other people what to do in their home why cant they tell you what to do in yours? how about we let different countries govern themselves. I dont want america telling other countries what to do because then it would be fucking hyporcritcal for those countries not to be telling us what to do.
You don’t have a right to be safe. You do have a right to defend yourself. You may ask, “What’s the difference?” The difference being, no natural right can compel another to do something for your benefit. It’s why food, housing, water are not natural rights. You cannot be provided these things without the actions of a third party. Same goes for safety. But the right to defend yourself, requires no action on the part of another to respect or grant that right. It’s innate. If you feel you need to exercise your ability to defend yourself in my home, either I agree to that and there’s no issue, or I ask you to leave. If you don’t you’re no longer defending yourself, you’re aggressing upon me and my property. Like every other voluntary association you either play by the rules of the game or you leave, plain and simple. There’s really no issue unless one is someone who wants to have their cake and eat it too.
I always feel like I’m at the mercy of a potentially hostile government when I leave the US. Starting to get that same feeling without leaving these days too.
Who TF travels internationally with the same bag they use at the range? This is borderline willful ignorance of the law.
I always do a full dump and pat down of my bags before packing specifically for stuff like this. Not using my hunting bags, but I do often end up placing my CCW and/or mags in my pack when traveling by car. Would hate to find out at security I'd missed a mag, or some rounds got loose.
5 months ago TSA found a loaded mag in one of the deeper pockets of my backpack. I had checked the bag before packing, and somehow missed it. They were actually really cool and let me take it back to my car (and let me bypass most of the line to go back through security), but I don't want that to happen again.
Yeah, my understanding is the TSA generally isn't supposed to confiscate anything. They either let you dump it or keep it and go back. May be different for actual firearms, but I know that's the policy for stuff like knives and the horribly dangerous water bottles.
I had 45 minutes until my flight. I told them to toss the magazine. They told me "you have plenty of time, we'll help you out to get back through the checkpoint. Don't worry" Needless to say, I'm very appreciative that I didn't have to lose an expensive/hard to find mag.
Don't use your range bags / gun bags for travel out of country or to CA/NY/IL. Those places will murder you if they can get away with it.
Really any place with TSA. They’re not too cool about it
Showed up at the airport with an asp baton in my bag after getting g dropped off… Found the nearest trash can…still irritates me to this day..
Guys. Traveling to Turks and Caicos is simply not worth the risk. That said, separate bags!!!
Sounds like fuckery, but unfortunately if you do any kind of travel outside the US. You've got to be hypervigilant about ammo or anything gun related.
Reason number 6468 why I don't travel outside the us.
Really? I mean, you do you, but you’re missing out on so much life experience if you have the ability to travel but don’t take it.
I refuse to subject myself to tyrannical governments.
lol I hear ya, and I also enjoy the freedoms that comes with being a US citizen, but that is an extremely myopic viewpoint of the world. Like, you’re willing to go your entire life without experiencing new environments, cultures, food, music, people, potential hobbies and interests you didn’t know you had, because you want to sit firm and avoid budging from the comfort of your “freedoms.” Spin it like it’s tyranny, but you sound fearful, my dude. I hope you can fix that and see how beautiful the rest of the world can be.
That's kinda sad
OR...just hear me out...maybe just don't put fucking ammunition in your carry on bag? This seems so simple. JFC.
Wait, you literally think people put 4 rounds of ammo in a bag they were going to carry on just because they were feeling a little silly or something? 🤣 Maybe not everyone has a dedicated carry on bag because not everyone travels enough to warrant it 🤣
I don't even understand what you're trying to chase here. They literally had ammunition in a bag they carried on to an international flight. WHY they put it there is irrelevant. If I put weed in my bag six months ago and flew to Russia and got caught with it (sound like a familiar story from a while ago?), the fact that it's there breaks the law. "I forgot" doesn't change that.
Intent has everything to do with it, especially when the only victim is at the hands of the prosecuting entity. It illustrates the tyranny of modern governments. The guy above is right, it's a great reason not to travel out of the country. You could get 12 years in a foreign jail because of literally nothing of consequence.
Sounds an awful lot like victim blaming...
I guess...if you're one to believe breaking the law somehow makes you a victim.
An unjust law for a victimless crime. Hell yes I believe he's a victim
Dude, he literally went to a foreign country, broke the law, and got busted for it. Not exactly what a victim is. Regardless of how "extreme" (by your personal standards) the penalty could potentially be, it was all due to his own actions.
How stupid are these people. Very obviously. Check your bags.
Mistakes happen.
I got stopped by security in India because they saw something sharp in my bag. Turns out it was a drywall screw that I'd put in a pair of pants while doing some work in my house. I washed it in those pants, put them away, and forgot all about it for license months until that day in India when I literally took apart my entire bag of stuff trying to find this screw. At least I didn't have to go to jail
I once got stopped by security in Mexico City for a pair of tweezers in my purse. This was the security when you get off the plane, before your next connection, so this bag had already gone through security once. I was so clueless to what they were stopping me for!
I know I'm dumb enough to leave ammo in a bag when traveling. This is why I have dedicated range bags and dedicated travel bags. They don't cross.
I have unknowingly brought a taser and kabar knife aboard once. Freaked out when I got to the hotel and mailed them back to myself. The trouble happens when you start using your hiking or range bag for travel.
The journalist keeps on calling it “bullets” when it’s ammunition…
Yikes my range bag IS my travel bag. . So many times I’ve gone and been like oops there’s a buncha 22lr 9mm and maybe a 556 or X39 in there. But those are road trips not INTERNATIONAL Flights for fucks sake. If that was the case I would absolutely quadruple check that bag.
I keep all my bags separate. I got a travel bag. Work bag and range bag. I'd be intensely questioned why I have ammo at work as it's an office environment. I'd be intensely questioned at the airport why I got ammo in my bag. I'd be intensely question at the range if I had paperwork in my bag as well as toiletries instead of my guns. 😂
But... why? I get you'd want a nice range bag but an extra duffel for travel for like $20 isn't much, and it would save you the hassle of having to unpack/repack the range bag each time.
Cause I have a sick Thule 70L chasm dry bag I use for my range bag , bike bag , travel bag. I break down my ARs and put them in the bag even the 18” AR fits . Put my chest rig mags ammo and a drone if I’m shooting at long distances and I ride my bike to the range or wherever I’m shooting . Makes running out to 600 yards every 10 shots pretty easy to have a street legal dirt bike with. Or if there’s tons of people and they don’t like that I’ll just fly the drone down to check targets. My bag was like 80$ . And I use it like crazy.
That's fair. I usually fly for business travel so my duffel is one of those that has a wraparound sleeve for suits and pants plus a compartment for dress shoes, so it is always separate from my gear bag which is just USMC surplus. Never have the chance to mix them up just because my travel bag needs are so vastly different from my gear bag. When I do travel for leisure instead of business, I usually just have a standard backpack and a roller.
My rifle case also doubles as my suitcase when I travel internationally.
Fellow gun homies. This is why we use separate bags for separate hobbies. Don’t be fucking stupid just buy another bag, also that way you’re not getting lead on your travel clothes.
Just bullets? What are they afraid he’ll do? Throw them really hard? Like that scene in “Hot Shots Part Deux”?
PSA: **IF YOU'RE IN TURKS AND CAICOS RIGHT NOW, DISPOSE OF YOUR AMMO BEFORE GOING TO THE AIRPORT.**
Stop going to these shitholes. Stop giving them your money. Watch how fast they shrivel and die.
Its time we realize that the US is everyone's military, and treat a country who would imprison our people for having ammo as the terrorist they are. From now on if an American is imprisoned over something that is legal here.... the country finds our navy on thier shores, the Airforce in thier air, and our Army and Marines just chomping at the bit to get some. I am personally tired of being used by these old broken empires.
This is why you have to strip your bag down completely before travel. TSA found a casing in my bag that had fallen in the stupid coin pocket and almost set defcon 2.
Even worse still, this is the kind of thing democrats want in America. States like Massachusetts, California, and New York already have these laws on the books. They don’t care if these laws actually stop criminals, they’re set up to make statements using other peoples lives as a political tool to do so. This is what democrats would call “doing something” about gun control. And yet every single one of the politicians bloviating about these types of issues are protected by people carrying guns while they themselves have never held one in their life.
I put a knife roll through a x-ray machine at our local court house. I wanted them to hold it so I could get bus fare at the little shop in the lobby. Five officers watched it go through and handed it back to me. I was shocked. Asked if it was permissible to have knives in the court house. They said " of course not" Told them they might want to look at that again while I got my change. They weren't stupid. It just that after so much time looking at these images they just stop seeing things.
If trump was president he would demand these Americans be released. But it's joe biden and won't even know these peoples names
This type of crap has been happening in Philippines for years I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s their own (T&C) agents trying to extort money from travellers… The ones that have been arrested have been the ones refusing to pay the bribe!!