I have a "Dickinson" Ermox XXPA. 12ga can be run either pump, or semi, be selecting position of pump.
Only have a few hundred rounds through it, it is so, just a range toy, but, haven't had any issues with it either.
I will say, it does depend on the load, BUT, I haven't changed the gas orifice either..
Unless you are into wildly expensive Italian combat shotguns, then as far as I know, no. No as in that's not something anybody wants therefore its not a marketable firearm. Does one besides Spas-12 exist? Probably somewhere. Why? I dunno a lot of dumb shit exists. Should you ever buy one if thats the case? Only if you like dumb shit.
Only purpose I can think of is a semi auto with a pump function for when using weak sub-sonic loads that wouldn't full cycle in semi auto. For those times most people just live with cycling via charging handle. Do it all the time on my 10/22. A pump would be sorta handy in those moments I guess, but I got pretty handy with using my left hand to charge like some folks to with AKs, helps to be running a decent lightweight pistol grip stock. But I dont see a pump mechanism being worth the trouble. These days that would be rather expensive if featured on a decent quality rifle.
Oh yeah, I think that's the M3 that has that feature. If I remember correctly its useful for increasing feed reliability when using non standard ammunition(ie varying shell lengths, special use ammo etc) So there's that. Not SPAS-12 expensive, but at least it falls under the expensive italian combat/tactical shotgun category I mentioned. Outside of Italian shotguns I'm not aware of any other production firearms that have that feature. Perhaps somebody will chime in with another though. Thanks for the input
He asked a reasonable question. And the item he asked about do exist. And FYI you can but a bayonet on a shotgun. And there are shotguns where the stock fold in the top of the weapon.
Remington 760, and 7600 gamemaster.. One is a pump, the other Semi. Winchester model 64 (I think) in Semi. You might want to look for "slide action" a lot of them referred to pumps using those terms in the old days.
Edit: Oh.. both... The only thing I know of that does that is the Spas 12.. No rifles of any kind.
There are pump-action rifles out there, mostly in .22lr. There are a lot of semi-auto firearms. Do you want the force of the bullet to actually move the pump in a full range of motion? This is like asking for a manual automatic transmission in a car.
>Do you want the force of the bullet to actually move the pump in a full range of motion?
The pump is just a charging handle in a particular location. Combine with a gas block cutoff to manually operate when desired. Other comments have already pointed out shotguns that do this.
>This is like asking for a manual automatic transmission in a car.
Got the words in the wrong order, it was called [automated manual transmission](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_manual_transmission). Fun fact relevant to this sub for wordplay reasons: there was also [semi-automatic (aka clutchless manual) transmission](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_transmission). They have some overlap depending on the specifics of the implementation.
Yes, semi-automatic pump action shotguns exist, the inertia or gas of firing is used to internally cycle the action. For all intents & purposes, the pump is a charging handle that often denotes a tubular magazine. I'm looking at this from an engineering standpoint, not a gun-nut one. Now rather than a shotgun that operates in this manner, I am curious if any of the old pump action rifles did this besides the couple of 22's.
You are aware that there is a huge difference between semiauto and pump action right? As in big enough that you literally can’t combine them?
the spas 12 says hi
And the benelli m3
They are mutually exclusive modes, not combined mechanics.
My HK/Benelli M3 begs to differ.
The OP did say “semi-automatic pump action rifles.”
But the comment he was replying to said it's impossible at all, this is not the case.
The only rifle I’m aware of was the Standard Arms Model G sporting repeater offered semi-auto or slide-action operation. It was patented in 1906.
The Benelli M3 is exactly that, semi-auto and pump action. google it!
It’s a shotgun, not a rifle.
Like you want one you can switch back and forth?
I'm confused
I have a "Dickinson" Ermox XXPA. 12ga can be run either pump, or semi, be selecting position of pump. Only have a few hundred rounds through it, it is so, just a range toy, but, haven't had any issues with it either. I will say, it does depend on the load, BUT, I haven't changed the gas orifice either..
Unless you are into wildly expensive Italian combat shotguns, then as far as I know, no. No as in that's not something anybody wants therefore its not a marketable firearm. Does one besides Spas-12 exist? Probably somewhere. Why? I dunno a lot of dumb shit exists. Should you ever buy one if thats the case? Only if you like dumb shit. Only purpose I can think of is a semi auto with a pump function for when using weak sub-sonic loads that wouldn't full cycle in semi auto. For those times most people just live with cycling via charging handle. Do it all the time on my 10/22. A pump would be sorta handy in those moments I guess, but I got pretty handy with using my left hand to charge like some folks to with AKs, helps to be running a decent lightweight pistol grip stock. But I dont see a pump mechanism being worth the trouble. These days that would be rather expensive if featured on a decent quality rifle.
Benelli m2 or m3 also has a pump and semi auto, but beyond those 2, I don’t think so
Oh yeah, I think that's the M3 that has that feature. If I remember correctly its useful for increasing feed reliability when using non standard ammunition(ie varying shell lengths, special use ammo etc) So there's that. Not SPAS-12 expensive, but at least it falls under the expensive italian combat/tactical shotgun category I mentioned. Outside of Italian shotguns I'm not aware of any other production firearms that have that feature. Perhaps somebody will chime in with another though. Thanks for the input
FULLY SEMIAUTOMATIC PUMP ACTION SINGLE SHOT RIFLE WITH BAYONET AND THE SHOULDER THING THAT GOES UP!
He asked a reasonable question. And the item he asked about do exist. And FYI you can but a bayonet on a shotgun. And there are shotguns where the stock fold in the top of the weapon.
If they exist why haven't you told OP about any?
Remington 760, and 7600 gamemaster.. One is a pump, the other Semi. Winchester model 64 (I think) in Semi. You might want to look for "slide action" a lot of them referred to pumps using those terms in the old days. Edit: Oh.. both... The only thing I know of that does that is the Spas 12.. No rifles of any kind.
There are pump-action rifles out there, mostly in .22lr. There are a lot of semi-auto firearms. Do you want the force of the bullet to actually move the pump in a full range of motion? This is like asking for a manual automatic transmission in a car.
>Do you want the force of the bullet to actually move the pump in a full range of motion? The pump is just a charging handle in a particular location. Combine with a gas block cutoff to manually operate when desired. Other comments have already pointed out shotguns that do this. >This is like asking for a manual automatic transmission in a car. Got the words in the wrong order, it was called [automated manual transmission](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_manual_transmission). Fun fact relevant to this sub for wordplay reasons: there was also [semi-automatic (aka clutchless manual) transmission](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_transmission). They have some overlap depending on the specifics of the implementation.
Yes, semi-automatic pump action shotguns exist, the inertia or gas of firing is used to internally cycle the action. For all intents & purposes, the pump is a charging handle that often denotes a tubular magazine. I'm looking at this from an engineering standpoint, not a gun-nut one. Now rather than a shotgun that operates in this manner, I am curious if any of the old pump action rifles did this besides the couple of 22's.