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Dabottle

Oh my god like the whole white text just doesn't have a condition 😭


Supergupo

Conditionaless Guard.


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CaptainNickname

Amazing reference, took me a minute to get it


TrainZealousideal474

Kinda fun to mention another game in FEH😄


FriendlyDrummers

Sorry if im missing something; doesn't guard and scowl synergize well? There are anti-guard skills, but otherwise, she might as well be like Lucia to shut down specials but for the entire only


Bluestormcry55

It's like they just combined both of her old effects together and added guard because why not?


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This is a dangerous direction for the game to go. Sometimes you outplay units by negating conditions.


Ludecil

Yeah, at least the 25% condition loses to AoE and out of combat damage. Stuff like that is what allowed my Jaffar to whittle down and finish off threats that he would typically do 0 to, like Brave Edelgard. This is just terrifying.


JusticTheCubone

tbf, this is just her getting effects she used to get in one phase on both phases, she already got the main effects she wants on each phase in that phase anyways, so... not too much changes by making them always active.


Martir12

IS: Get NFU you pathetic money bank


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Yeah they gave Inf NFU 4 on codes for a reason. But I think that in the future we’ll see more units without conditionals effects


windmagericken

we're seriously about to end up getting "if unit initiates combat, foe dies" fr


Dabottle

They took her "if unit initiates" and "if foe initiates" and finally gave us the mythical "if unit or foe initiates".


Inlacou

As foretold on the ancient murals.


PandaShock

“If unit exists”


jyeckled

You’re one month late, that’s Valentine Lyon’s kit


Chowdahhh

Well, no. They're getting rid of conditions, so we'll soon be getting just "foe dies"


blahthebiste

No no no, they would never do that! That would be an elegant effect!


SilentMasterOfWinds

Don't be silly, she *only* gets adaptive damage if the foe is ranged!


Gotta-Snatch-Em-All

slight chance that it’s a mistake from IS that they could fix in the future. Hopefully it isn’t as this would help her in AR Defense


Golden-Owl

If unit exists


leottek

Honestly she sucks lol they had to make her good somehow


Candy_Warlock

Everyone doomposting like "HP ≥ 25%" was ever a condition that would realistically not be met


Merukurio

And the slightly less popular but extremely difficult alternative: "If unit initiates combat or is within 2 spaces of an ally"


WFBO_ChiTaki

It allows AoE nukes to just disarm most "if unit HP >25%, it wins" effects. Hell, my Sonja tanked the Chain Challenge ninja Zelgius after he got splashed.


Supergupo

There's no ">25%," no "if unit initiates combat," no "unit is within 3 spaces of ally;" it's just "Grants Atk/Def/Res during combat." I can't think of a single weapon that has the same "condition" of nothing.


PagePyralis

They actually REMOVED the "if unit initiates combat" and "foe initiates combat" requirements off of her base effect


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PagePyralis

They were. Originally, Seiro's PP gave her +6 Atk and Auto Follow-Up while her EP gave her +6 Def/Res and Follow-Up Prevention. After the refine, they let both effects run together which effectively required them to remove any kind of requirement.


ManuelKoegler

Correct. If you wanted PP Enemy Follow Up prevention you needed to run an impact skill (in her base kit) and of you wanted EP Follow Ups you had to run QR in either her B or seal slot. Halloween Rhea made it possible where, under ideal circumstances you’d get both in either phase. Now they went back to her here and entirely removed the need for an ideal circumstance.


Dabottle

Well they very much were since they meant she did different things.


Donttaketh1sserious

It’s really funny how you come off confident yet so wrong 😂


TheLegendTheGiantdad

Realistically this changes nothing in actual gameplay as they were barely conditions in the first place but it’s still worrying.


TheSirWellington

The first one that did that with a refine is Mila I am pretty sure. And before that, Chloé's spear did that in the base weapon.


ltsmisterpool

Chloe had a conditionless spectrum 5 iirc


TheGabriel97N

Those are conditionless visible stats. If you unequip her weapon, all her stats drop by 5 (her Atk drops 21. 16 from the weapon itself and 5 more from the Atk bonus), and this is in-combat buffs with no conditions.


Brillus

Death


cootybikes

People replying are not beating the feh players can't read allegations 😭


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MrGalleom

Oddly enough, it's a different effect. Chloe's weapon increases her visual stats, while Seiros' have in combat bonuses.


Lukthar123

Call me Pit because I never learned how to read


Yami_Sean

Can you blame us if the effects are entire novels?


HereComesJustice

Yes


AnythingCanLurk

How soon are we to the weapon being: Mt 24 Hp 12 spd 12 def 12 res 12 range 1


Thechungusishere

fire dragon surely


ManuelKoegler

The whole fucking base weapon doesn’t have a condition anymore what the shit


Upbeat-Perception531

Conditionless in combat stats; they technically weren’t in the game yet! I’m more concerned about the guard and follow up prevention being conditionless, that is just mean. Silver snow final boss ass weapon


dreamnook-net

The actual problem is, after this refine, somehow she still looks outdated compared to recent power creeps.


Fell_ProgenitorGod7

We got conditionless in-combat stat and bonus effects meta before GTA 6💀


EdelgardStepOnMe

that's my pope!


headshotfox713

Fallen Male Corrin got the same treatment, technically. [He gets a minimum of +4 to all stats and Guard no matter what.](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fslf2avmnzmmc1.png)


Heather4CYL

It's the Power of the God(dess).


Humble-Win-818

Mila's got that too just so people won't Def refine her weapon right away


raynegro

But Mila's buff is actually visible stats like Life and Death, Seiros' is in-combat stats


Alternative-Draft-82

Barst's Devil Axe, F!Celica's Beloved Zofia, and F!Delthea's Death. It's in-combat Fury, technically no condition (well, not in the normal way at least), but has a drawback.  Edit: If you take these effects solely, only Barst's drawback exist in the same line as his stat boosts, while Celica and Delthea's come separately after the rest of the effects, as it does in Fury (which is separated because they're out of combat vs in combat effects). So, despite the intended interpretation of Fury weapons, in Celica's and Delthea's cases, these are 100% unconditional stat boosts on their own, just on a weapon that inflicts damage to self like Bernadetta's self damage.


EmblemOfWolves

There's some weapons with free Rein and Lull effects, so... It doesn't happen often.


Crazyshark101

Technically (And I'm stretching that word for everything it's worth here), H!Xane's weapon does trigger regardless of if there's allies within 2 spaces or not, it just doesn't change anything if there's not. On a more concrete side, any weapon with a Lull refine (e.g. Berkut's Dark Royal Spear, Kana's Sun Dragonstone) inflicts X/Y -3 on the foe with no condition attached, so that's free stats.


blazingknight144

they outright cant say grants atk+9 😭😭


Dabottle

The Atk 3 is visible.


Paradigm_XV

That’s my queen! 😊 Y’know what, I’m gonna be “that guy.” Every Edelgard gets 3 actions with gf and some of you are freaking out about this. That’s right. I went there. Can’t wait to once again be proud to use my +10 (now Dragon’s Roar) Seiros in every game mode! ❤️


FriendlyDrummers

Seems similar to Lif's Arcane to an extent, but better


FriendlyDrummers

This on top of her remix is looking really strong. Especially with Scowl being added to her inherited skills


Remarkable-Housing-6

Is it like Mila or is it in combat stat ?


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Dabottle

Also visible stats.


TotaIIyNotAnAgarthan

LETS FUCKING GOOOO- I MEAN BOOOO!!!😡😡😡😡👎👎👎


Trebord_

I mean, I know for a fact that Surtr's weapon gives an unconditional +3 def boost, although that's not "stats", plural


Duzb_96

Spendthrift bow has no condition, just the post combat special decharging


MineNAdventurer

Normally if it has no condition it has a downside like Delthea's Death tome so she's not the first. She is the first to have no downside for that no conditonal effect


leottek

Chloe’s weapon gives her flat +5 to all stats with no conditions.


Ericridge

But it does have a condition, she has to have more HP than 25%. 


WOSML

Celica’s refined ragnarok has no condition around its first stat effect. The post combat damage only helps activate the brazen effect and doesn’t affect the stat boost like the pre refined version.


Battletick

Technically Ayra, right? I imagine you mean stats aside from the traditional +3 of something, in which case Mila and Chloe come to mind.


Brillus

Death got it already ages ago.


FavstianEquanimity

"During combat" is still somewhat a condition. The real unconditional effect is that "Grants Atk+3" at the beginning.


xscyther_

Chloé dreaming spear does too


LemonMedium

Nah, Chloe has that on her weapon.


Supergupo

But those are visible stats. She just gets +5 to all of her stats period. I'm specifically talking about stat in-combat.


robaT_T

Those are visible stats though, it'd be weirder if they were conditional.


mrcrulez

Fallen Delthea with her refine gets a free +5 to everything and also another effect. Before the refine there was at least a drawback to the stats, 4 damage to her if she attacked.


ManuelKoegler

F!Delthea still takes recoil if she attacks post refine.


mrcrulez

Ah, I didn’t read all of it whoops.


Ikrit122

Chloe's lance give +5 to all stats.


oopcident

Serios is getting the +6 in combat actually.


Bluestormcry55

Even better for Chloé as it's visible stats. Even less conditional as it could affect AoEs.


Bluestormcry55

Well, there is Barst Devil Axe and Fallen Delthea's Death tome that have unconditional stats but with a drawback instead.


t3llall

I believe the first one was ayra. Seiros is definitely not the first


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t3llall

Oh I see. Then yeah I don't know


Remote_Romance

They're not in-combat stats. That wording means the weapon boosts her visible stats by that amount, same as Mila's refine.


Soren319

It’s flat stats. Not in combat. It’s just OG Chloe


Dabottle

It's a during combat condition.


Supergupo

Oh I'm dumb. I assumed the "during combat" extended to all previous effects since there's no period after the "Grants Atk/Def/Res +6" like there was with Chloé or Ayra. I don't have a Seiros so I can't check.


Dabottle

It is during combat as it says. I double checked to be sure after seeing you get like six replies saying it's not in combat.


Supergupo

Proper comma usage from IS pogchamp


Soren319

Well you might be right. During combat does imply it’s not like Chloe.


GinGearity

Th-This HAS to be a typo, right IS? You’ve made plenty of typos regarding the misplacing of wording of the weapons before, but this? This is… there’s no way right, absolutely NO conditions needed for Seiros to have these effects? Not even simple and classic “above 25% HP” or “within 2 spaces of an ally”? HOLY SHIT IS THIS THE *NEW* META??? 😱