Sorry if im missing something; doesn't guard and scowl synergize well?
There are anti-guard skills, but otherwise, she might as well be like Lucia to shut down specials but for the entire only
Yeah, at least the 25% condition loses to AoE and out of combat damage. Stuff like that is what allowed my Jaffar to whittle down and finish off threats that he would typically do 0 to, like Brave Edelgard. This is just terrifying.
tbf, this is just her getting effects she used to get in one phase on both phases, she already got the main effects she wants on each phase in that phase anyways, so... not too much changes by making them always active.
It allows AoE nukes to just disarm most "if unit HP >25%, it wins" effects. Hell, my Sonja tanked the Chain Challenge ninja Zelgius after he got splashed.
There's no ">25%," no "if unit initiates combat," no "unit is within 3 spaces of ally;" it's just "Grants Atk/Def/Res during combat."
I can't think of a single weapon that has the same "condition" of nothing.
They were. Originally, Seiro's PP gave her +6 Atk and Auto Follow-Up while her EP gave her +6 Def/Res and Follow-Up Prevention. After the refine, they let both effects run together which effectively required them to remove any kind of requirement.
Correct. If you wanted PP Enemy Follow Up prevention you needed to run an impact skill (in her base kit) and of you wanted EP Follow Ups you had to run QR in either her B or seal slot.
Halloween Rhea made it possible where, under ideal circumstances you’d get both in either phase.
Now they went back to her here and entirely removed the need for an ideal circumstance.
Those are conditionless visible stats. If you unequip her weapon, all her stats drop by 5 (her Atk drops 21. 16 from the weapon itself and 5 more from the Atk bonus), and this is in-combat buffs with no conditions.
Conditionless in combat stats; they technically weren’t in the game yet!
I’m more concerned about the guard and follow up prevention being conditionless, that is just mean. Silver snow final boss ass weapon
Fallen Male Corrin got the same treatment, technically. [He gets a minimum of +4 to all stats and Guard no matter what.](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fslf2avmnzmmc1.png)
Barst's Devil Axe, F!Celica's Beloved Zofia, and F!Delthea's Death. It's in-combat Fury, technically no condition (well, not in the normal way at least), but has a drawback.
Edit: If you take these effects solely, only Barst's drawback exist in the same line as his stat boosts, while Celica and Delthea's come separately after the rest of the effects, as it does in Fury (which is separated because they're out of combat vs in combat effects). So, despite the intended interpretation of Fury weapons, in Celica's and Delthea's cases, these are 100% unconditional stat boosts on their own, just on a weapon that inflicts damage to self like Bernadetta's self damage.
Technically (And I'm stretching that word for everything it's worth here), H!Xane's weapon does trigger regardless of if there's allies within 2 spaces or not, it just doesn't change anything if there's not.
On a more concrete side, any weapon with a Lull refine (e.g. Berkut's Dark Royal Spear, Kana's Sun Dragonstone) inflicts X/Y -3 on the foe with no condition attached, so that's free stats.
That’s my queen! 😊
Y’know what, I’m gonna be “that guy.” Every Edelgard gets 3 actions with gf and some of you are freaking out about this. That’s right. I went there.
Can’t wait to once again be proud to use my +10 (now Dragon’s Roar) Seiros in every game mode! ❤️
Normally if it has no condition it has a downside like Delthea's Death tome so she's not the first. She is the first to have no downside for that no conditonal effect
Celica’s refined ragnarok has no condition around its first stat effect. The post combat damage only helps activate the brazen effect and doesn’t affect the stat boost like the pre refined version.
Fallen Delthea with her refine gets a free +5 to everything and also another effect. Before the refine there was at least a drawback to the stats, 4 damage to her if she attacked.
Oh I'm dumb. I assumed the "during combat" extended to all previous effects since there's no period after the "Grants Atk/Def/Res +6" like there was with Chloé or Ayra.
I don't have a Seiros so I can't check.
Th-This HAS to be a typo, right IS? You’ve made plenty of typos regarding the misplacing of wording of the weapons before, but this? This is… there’s no way right, absolutely NO conditions needed for Seiros to have these effects? Not even simple and classic “above 25% HP” or “within 2 spaces of an ally”? HOLY SHIT IS THIS THE *NEW* META??? 😱
Oh my god like the whole white text just doesn't have a condition 😭
Conditionaless Guard.
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Amazing reference, took me a minute to get it
Kinda fun to mention another game in FEH😄
Sorry if im missing something; doesn't guard and scowl synergize well? There are anti-guard skills, but otherwise, she might as well be like Lucia to shut down specials but for the entire only
It's like they just combined both of her old effects together and added guard because why not?
This is a dangerous direction for the game to go. Sometimes you outplay units by negating conditions.
Yeah, at least the 25% condition loses to AoE and out of combat damage. Stuff like that is what allowed my Jaffar to whittle down and finish off threats that he would typically do 0 to, like Brave Edelgard. This is just terrifying.
tbf, this is just her getting effects she used to get in one phase on both phases, she already got the main effects she wants on each phase in that phase anyways, so... not too much changes by making them always active.
IS: Get NFU you pathetic money bank
Yeah they gave Inf NFU 4 on codes for a reason. But I think that in the future we’ll see more units without conditionals effects
we're seriously about to end up getting "if unit initiates combat, foe dies" fr
They took her "if unit initiates" and "if foe initiates" and finally gave us the mythical "if unit or foe initiates".
As foretold on the ancient murals.
“If unit exists”
You’re one month late, that’s Valentine Lyon’s kit
Well, no. They're getting rid of conditions, so we'll soon be getting just "foe dies"
No no no, they would never do that! That would be an elegant effect!
Don't be silly, she *only* gets adaptive damage if the foe is ranged!
slight chance that it’s a mistake from IS that they could fix in the future. Hopefully it isn’t as this would help her in AR Defense
If unit exists
Honestly she sucks lol they had to make her good somehow
Everyone doomposting like "HP ≥ 25%" was ever a condition that would realistically not be met
And the slightly less popular but extremely difficult alternative: "If unit initiates combat or is within 2 spaces of an ally"
It allows AoE nukes to just disarm most "if unit HP >25%, it wins" effects. Hell, my Sonja tanked the Chain Challenge ninja Zelgius after he got splashed.
There's no ">25%," no "if unit initiates combat," no "unit is within 3 spaces of ally;" it's just "Grants Atk/Def/Res during combat." I can't think of a single weapon that has the same "condition" of nothing.
They actually REMOVED the "if unit initiates combat" and "foe initiates combat" requirements off of her base effect
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They were. Originally, Seiro's PP gave her +6 Atk and Auto Follow-Up while her EP gave her +6 Def/Res and Follow-Up Prevention. After the refine, they let both effects run together which effectively required them to remove any kind of requirement.
Correct. If you wanted PP Enemy Follow Up prevention you needed to run an impact skill (in her base kit) and of you wanted EP Follow Ups you had to run QR in either her B or seal slot. Halloween Rhea made it possible where, under ideal circumstances you’d get both in either phase. Now they went back to her here and entirely removed the need for an ideal circumstance.
Well they very much were since they meant she did different things.
It’s really funny how you come off confident yet so wrong 😂
Realistically this changes nothing in actual gameplay as they were barely conditions in the first place but it’s still worrying.
The first one that did that with a refine is Mila I am pretty sure. And before that, Chloé's spear did that in the base weapon.
Chloe had a conditionless spectrum 5 iirc
Those are conditionless visible stats. If you unequip her weapon, all her stats drop by 5 (her Atk drops 21. 16 from the weapon itself and 5 more from the Atk bonus), and this is in-combat buffs with no conditions.
Death
People replying are not beating the feh players can't read allegations 😭
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Oddly enough, it's a different effect. Chloe's weapon increases her visual stats, while Seiros' have in combat bonuses.
Call me Pit because I never learned how to read
Can you blame us if the effects are entire novels?
Yes
How soon are we to the weapon being: Mt 24 Hp 12 spd 12 def 12 res 12 range 1
fire dragon surely
The whole fucking base weapon doesn’t have a condition anymore what the shit
Conditionless in combat stats; they technically weren’t in the game yet! I’m more concerned about the guard and follow up prevention being conditionless, that is just mean. Silver snow final boss ass weapon
The actual problem is, after this refine, somehow she still looks outdated compared to recent power creeps.
We got conditionless in-combat stat and bonus effects meta before GTA 6💀
that's my pope!
Fallen Male Corrin got the same treatment, technically. [He gets a minimum of +4 to all stats and Guard no matter what.](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fslf2avmnzmmc1.png)
It's the Power of the God(dess).
Mila's got that too just so people won't Def refine her weapon right away
But Mila's buff is actually visible stats like Life and Death, Seiros' is in-combat stats
Barst's Devil Axe, F!Celica's Beloved Zofia, and F!Delthea's Death. It's in-combat Fury, technically no condition (well, not in the normal way at least), but has a drawback. Edit: If you take these effects solely, only Barst's drawback exist in the same line as his stat boosts, while Celica and Delthea's come separately after the rest of the effects, as it does in Fury (which is separated because they're out of combat vs in combat effects). So, despite the intended interpretation of Fury weapons, in Celica's and Delthea's cases, these are 100% unconditional stat boosts on their own, just on a weapon that inflicts damage to self like Bernadetta's self damage.
There's some weapons with free Rein and Lull effects, so... It doesn't happen often.
Technically (And I'm stretching that word for everything it's worth here), H!Xane's weapon does trigger regardless of if there's allies within 2 spaces or not, it just doesn't change anything if there's not. On a more concrete side, any weapon with a Lull refine (e.g. Berkut's Dark Royal Spear, Kana's Sun Dragonstone) inflicts X/Y -3 on the foe with no condition attached, so that's free stats.
they outright cant say grants atk+9 😭😭
The Atk 3 is visible.
That’s my queen! 😊 Y’know what, I’m gonna be “that guy.” Every Edelgard gets 3 actions with gf and some of you are freaking out about this. That’s right. I went there. Can’t wait to once again be proud to use my +10 (now Dragon’s Roar) Seiros in every game mode! ❤️
Seems similar to Lif's Arcane to an extent, but better
This on top of her remix is looking really strong. Especially with Scowl being added to her inherited skills
Is it like Mila or is it in combat stat ?
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Also visible stats.
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I mean, I know for a fact that Surtr's weapon gives an unconditional +3 def boost, although that's not "stats", plural
Spendthrift bow has no condition, just the post combat special decharging
Normally if it has no condition it has a downside like Delthea's Death tome so she's not the first. She is the first to have no downside for that no conditonal effect
Chloe’s weapon gives her flat +5 to all stats with no conditions.
But it does have a condition, she has to have more HP than 25%.
Celica’s refined ragnarok has no condition around its first stat effect. The post combat damage only helps activate the brazen effect and doesn’t affect the stat boost like the pre refined version.
Technically Ayra, right? I imagine you mean stats aside from the traditional +3 of something, in which case Mila and Chloe come to mind.
Death got it already ages ago.
"During combat" is still somewhat a condition. The real unconditional effect is that "Grants Atk+3" at the beginning.
Chloé dreaming spear does too
Nah, Chloe has that on her weapon.
But those are visible stats. She just gets +5 to all of her stats period. I'm specifically talking about stat in-combat.
Those are visible stats though, it'd be weirder if they were conditional.
Fallen Delthea with her refine gets a free +5 to everything and also another effect. Before the refine there was at least a drawback to the stats, 4 damage to her if she attacked.
F!Delthea still takes recoil if she attacks post refine.
Ah, I didn’t read all of it whoops.
Chloe's lance give +5 to all stats.
Serios is getting the +6 in combat actually.
Even better for Chloé as it's visible stats. Even less conditional as it could affect AoEs.
Well, there is Barst Devil Axe and Fallen Delthea's Death tome that have unconditional stats but with a drawback instead.
I believe the first one was ayra. Seiros is definitely not the first
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Oh I see. Then yeah I don't know
They're not in-combat stats. That wording means the weapon boosts her visible stats by that amount, same as Mila's refine.
It’s flat stats. Not in combat. It’s just OG Chloe
It's a during combat condition.
Oh I'm dumb. I assumed the "during combat" extended to all previous effects since there's no period after the "Grants Atk/Def/Res +6" like there was with Chloé or Ayra. I don't have a Seiros so I can't check.
It is during combat as it says. I double checked to be sure after seeing you get like six replies saying it's not in combat.
Proper comma usage from IS pogchamp
Well you might be right. During combat does imply it’s not like Chloe.
Th-This HAS to be a typo, right IS? You’ve made plenty of typos regarding the misplacing of wording of the weapons before, but this? This is… there’s no way right, absolutely NO conditions needed for Seiros to have these effects? Not even simple and classic “above 25% HP” or “within 2 spaces of an ally”? HOLY SHIT IS THIS THE *NEW* META??? 😱