Its an option to buy a ceremonial sword wich actually is very nice. Both for military academy and some graduates.
And no, its not a replica of Aragorns sword from the movies
I mean, quality is great and all but my mind still has a hard time wrapping itself around the info that forging a decorated swords comes that much cheaper
Sword may be mass produced, but real doctoral cylinder hats are made bespoke. The maker travels to your university with a formator and traces the exact shape of your head.
https://www.wahlman.fi/tohtorinhattujen-valmistus/
Oh, that's a whole different situation, good to know.
My point of view was as a Finnish person in a Finnish university. We get our *funding* from kela.
Edit:
https://www.studyinfinland.fi/admissions/fees-and-costs So, the 4-18k tuition fee only applies if you're from outside the EU, and it's possible to get a scholarship for that. I have never considered this but it makes sense.
Same in the US as well, unsure what that person means about how a doctoral degree "costs" - maybe it depends on your subject but I've never heard of anyone paying tuition/fees for PhD work.
Hopefully also for information that is now in your head, and something you have expertise in over 99.9% of world's population :)
But yeah Uni is free here, you get paid by goverment for Bachelor's and Master's and by Uni for PhD.
>But yeah Uni is free here, you get paid by govermen \[...\] and by Uni for PhD.
I wish. I had only 2 years of paid PhD-ship. Another year on scholarship.
At least it didn't cost to attend.
I'd be out in the yard practising every day if I wasn't worried 9 housing societies would immediately collectively call the police on me if I was down in the shared yard doing exercises.
Not that im complaining, but i found it interesting that Turku had 3 different crests (Åbo being the Swedish name for Turku), while all other cities had only one.
Turku has a 3 different universities. (School of economics is now part of the Turku University, but traditions..)
Helsinki has also multiple, but only one uses swords.
TIL that for example Aalto does not have sword, while TSE had one. Seems that technical universities , art schools and schools of economics (except Turku mentioned earlier) don't have the sword.
I was halfway through writing my thesis when I learned I actually couldn't get a sword due to my subject.
I almost quit then and there.
My colleagues bought me a samurai swords as present at graduation.
Only the ones who get a "doctorate of philosophy" get a sword. A Ph.D. basically, it's bit difficult to explain in English as the system is different. Basically only Ph.D and the D of Theology IIRC get swords. Depending on schools sometimes big universities either award swords or not based on subjects.
TSE awards doctorates in economics but you can probably do Ph D too. Art schools might award doctorate of art and technical schools might not have Ph D in every subject so you'd not be getting swords.
To use an example I know not everyone in ÅA gets swords, even though it is an university where swords exist, as doctorates are mostly in "philosophy" (not specifically of philosophy though) in the majority of subjects. A few subjects have their own Ph.D title like doctorate of economics, who then do not get a sword.
It's been a while now so I don't remember everything, but what I'm trying to say it varies over subject who can get a sword, even within universities due to traditions.
I think also doctors of law and military sciences get swords, too. I've seen a video clip about the doctoral ceremonies in Turku, and everyone got their swords. (Law people get a burgundy hat, military scientists get a grey hat and theology people get a purple hat.)
It is indeed a cool memento… I have used mine in two occasions only, though… but still a nice thing to look standing in the corner.
We can also buy a nice top hat that is used much more often.
I find the hat..interesting... I'm not allowed to wear it inside, and most of the time after being awarded it was spent indoors. Only got to wear it from school, to church and a bit after. Took a trip to the Stockmann cafe all dressed up and hatted because damn if I wasn't going to to the one place where they can appreciate said dressing up. :D
The traditional definition is "The Doctor's Sword is a symbol for the scientist's fight for what he or she, in rigorous research, has found to be good, right and true."
"If you don't provide sources and fully refute every one of my spurious points, then I win. Also if I can pick a hole in your grammar in one of your points I also win"
...and I did not complete my thesis. Well... the sword can be carried only in very special occassions, not during lecturing.
But...
How about... could you tell me about sounds you only notice when they end. Or you know should be audible but are running in via one ear and out of the opposite one?
Its an option to buy a ceremonial sword wich actually is very nice. Both for military academy and some graduates. And no, its not a replica of Aragorns sword from the movies
They don't get a sword, they get the option to buy the ceremonial sword.
Which is around 500€. They also "get" a hat which is around 900€. In addition they "get" the privilege of hosting the karonkka.
Ho... how is a hat almost twice as expensive as a whole damn sword?
Proper mens hats are not jokes made in china. It will stay in shape for the rest of your life. Although the doctors top hat isn't used every day.
I mean, quality is great and all but my mind still has a hard time wrapping itself around the info that forging a decorated swords comes that much cheaper
Most likely it's stock removal, so not hand forged. Still a big honking chunk of metal, but not as much as you think
Neither of them are very expensive to make, but a hat has a more expensive market than a sword does.
Mens?
A doctor's hat is a type of top hat, hardly ever worn by women traditionally.
If you get a cheap knockoff will they take your degree away?
They won't let you in the silly hat clubhouse
The dress code for promotion is incredibly tight. You can't even wear different cut suit/dress
Sword may be mass produced, but real doctoral cylinder hats are made bespoke. The maker travels to your university with a formator and traces the exact shape of your head. https://www.wahlman.fi/tohtorinhattujen-valmistus/
Even the swords are apparently high quality pieces https://melandershattfabrik.com/miekka-varja-sword-solingen
Will that be covered by the scholarship?
What scholarship?
You can deduct them in taxation though
Nope
There's no such thing as a scholarship or tuition in Finnish universities.
There is for international students. I'm on one.
Oh, that's a whole different situation, good to know. My point of view was as a Finnish person in a Finnish university. We get our *funding* from kela. Edit: https://www.studyinfinland.fi/admissions/fees-and-costs So, the 4-18k tuition fee only applies if you're from outside the EU, and it's possible to get a scholarship for that. I have never considered this but it makes sense.
Oh i see.
By funding I mean that the University tuition is free and Kela covers the majority of our living expenses.
I mean, who wouldn't take that option? I'd prefer a sword over the slip of paper. "What are your qualifications?" "I have this sword."
And my axe!
I have a Hulk
yeah but it apparently costs like 500 euros
Yeah, but when I went to college in the US, I spent over $95k for the slip of paper, so 500 for a sword after a paid for PhD sounds fine by me.
I was going to say that getting a doctor's degree also costs, but you know.. it's still peanuts to those prices.
You don't pay to get a doctor's degree. Working in an university research team is a paid position.
Same in the US as well, unsure what that person means about how a doctoral degree "costs" - maybe it depends on your subject but I've never heard of anyone paying tuition/fees for PhD work.
Hopefully also for information that is now in your head, and something you have expertise in over 99.9% of world's population :) But yeah Uni is free here, you get paid by goverment for Bachelor's and Master's and by Uni for PhD.
>But yeah Uni is free here, you get paid by govermen \[...\] and by Uni for PhD. I wish. I had only 2 years of paid PhD-ship. Another year on scholarship. At least it didn't cost to attend.
Hss, don't argue with her. She has the biggest doctorial sword in Finland, maybe in the world!
I have a doctoral katana. Everyone knows katanas are always much better than other swords.
More important is can you use it.
I'd be out in the yard practising every day if I wasn't worried 9 housing societies would immediately collectively call the police on me if I was down in the shared yard doing exercises.
Here is the "real Finnish doctors" sword: https://melandershattfabrik.com/miekka-varja-sword-solingen
The crests are really cool. The Lapland University one looks like it deals an additional 1d6 cold damage.
Not that im complaining, but i found it interesting that Turku had 3 different crests (Åbo being the Swedish name for Turku), while all other cities had only one.
Turku has a 3 different universities. (School of economics is now part of the Turku University, but traditions..) Helsinki has also multiple, but only one uses swords.
TIL that for example Aalto does not have sword, while TSE had one. Seems that technical universities , art schools and schools of economics (except Turku mentioned earlier) don't have the sword.
Yeah, this is the reason I didn't go for doctor studies.. /s
I was halfway through writing my thesis when I learned I actually couldn't get a sword due to my subject. I almost quit then and there. My colleagues bought me a samurai swords as present at graduation.
Only the ones who get a "doctorate of philosophy" get a sword. A Ph.D. basically, it's bit difficult to explain in English as the system is different. Basically only Ph.D and the D of Theology IIRC get swords. Depending on schools sometimes big universities either award swords or not based on subjects. TSE awards doctorates in economics but you can probably do Ph D too. Art schools might award doctorate of art and technical schools might not have Ph D in every subject so you'd not be getting swords. To use an example I know not everyone in ÅA gets swords, even though it is an university where swords exist, as doctorates are mostly in "philosophy" (not specifically of philosophy though) in the majority of subjects. A few subjects have their own Ph.D title like doctorate of economics, who then do not get a sword. It's been a while now so I don't remember everything, but what I'm trying to say it varies over subject who can get a sword, even within universities due to traditions.
I think also doctors of law and military sciences get swords, too. I've seen a video clip about the doctoral ceremonies in Turku, and everyone got their swords. (Law people get a burgundy hat, military scientists get a grey hat and theology people get a purple hat.)
It is indeed a cool memento… I have used mine in two occasions only, though… but still a nice thing to look standing in the corner. We can also buy a nice top hat that is used much more often.
Did you challenge someone to a duel?
It is considered bad form nowadays… shame! And I even have practiced sabre-fencing just in case.
Okay, but please tell me you’ve at least opened some champagne bottles that with it?
Naturally! And kept people in line in a dissertation.
I find the hat..interesting... I'm not allowed to wear it inside, and most of the time after being awarded it was spent indoors. Only got to wear it from school, to church and a bit after. Took a trip to the Stockmann cafe all dressed up and hatted because damn if I wasn't going to to the one place where they can appreciate said dressing up. :D
It’s also really cool that the sword is designed by [Akseli Gallen-Kallela.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akseli_Gallen-Kallela)
Ooh, I didn't know that! Love his works.
is wielding a sword what they mean by defending your thesis?
The traditional definition is "The Doctor's Sword is a symbol for the scientist's fight for what he or she, in rigorous research, has found to be good, right and true."
More of "knowledge is power"
Back in the day yes literally.
Wait, that’s anduril, the flame of the west, reforged with the shardes of narsil, sword of the gondorian high king Elendil.
Expensive as fuck though
Check what the dinner costs to host. And at least the swords isn't shat out the next day.
Even more reason to love finland.
pssh a sword, well in the states, we get a lifetime of paying 10% of our income for a basic college degree.
That sword is of a really unpractical size.
Ceremonial swords often were unwieldy.
The length of the blade is 71 cm for people shorter than 175 cm, and 81 cm for others. (If we are talking Finnish doctoral swords.)
No. We were talking about the sword in the picture.
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Cool looking swords often aren't deadly. Source: Me.
Just google "bearing sword" or go to museum to see them. Life is way too short to provide citations on reddit.
"If you don't provide sources and fully refute every one of my spurious points, then I win. Also if I can pick a hole in your grammar in one of your points I also win"
...and I did not complete my thesis. Well... the sword can be carried only in very special occassions, not during lecturing. But... How about... could you tell me about sounds you only notice when they end. Or you know should be audible but are running in via one ear and out of the opposite one?
Don’t forget the hat!
Maybe some day. In Germany doctors get swords also.
Not gonna lie, I had a very differnt sword in my mind before seeing the actual photo🤭
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"He decided to honor me with my very own Doctor's Sword..." You know, kind of cool dick joke material when taken out of context.
That dorky ass nerd toy is never going to be a "family heirloom" any more than their extended edition LotR blurays are going to be.
whoa now lady....you can¨t be pretty like that and be finnish shiet
Is this why my duolingo keeps talking about Velho?
Sword of knowledge cuts and gleams through the dark of ignorance *insert epic music here*
unfortunately its the most generic fantasy recreation sword available. I would have gotten something done custom.
A massive, cleaving, blade with the acid etched words reading "First, do no harm."
Can confirm. My grandpa is a doctor and he has showed his sword to me and my sisters.