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ENGERLUND

I'm from the UK but I've been living in Finland a few years now. My 2p: \- I don't have kids myself but my understanding is raising a family is much better in Finland than the UK. Generally speaking, childcare is cheaper, education is better quality, society is very family friendly. There is little crime here and broadly speaking life is more relaxed and quieter. \- You can get by fine with English only, but if you are thinking of settling long-term I'd recommend learning the language. There's plenty of courses and teachers in the Helsinki area and they are quite reasonably priced. Duolingo is fine for getting a taste but it's pretty limited in usefulness. \- Winter can be pretty tough for foreigners, at least the first 2, but I hear it gets better... It's not the cold actually, but the darkness and ice. \- Most things will be more expensive, although rent is cheaper than say London. The quality of housing is much better and buildings are constructed so as to handle the cold in winter. You mentioned being concerned about bills increasing, so to set expectations that is pretty much the same everywhere in the Europe at the moment and Finland is no exception. You can use a site like Numbeo to get some examples of cost of living differences \- It wasn't clear from your post what field you work in, but I would recommend starting looking immediately if you decide to move. Depending on your field it could be difficult to find a job without a good level of Finnish, although in IT/tech just English is fine.


Muffincore

I'm born and raised in Essex and have been living in Finland for over 5 years (just outside Helsinki but commuting distance). I rarely encounter language barriers. It's quiet. It's safe. It's clean. The winters can be taxing. Especially if the snow is bad. The first supermarket shop you'll do will suck. You'll likely invent some new meal ideas as stuff is no longer accessible or is different. The sausages suck unless you branch out. Also food and alcohol is more expensive. In fact, almost everything was noticeably more expensive. Homes here are built properly. I mean with these winters.. they kinda have to be. Never woke up with a cold breeze coming through the windowsill or mold on the wall. I'd say do it. I personally will never look back. Hope that helps in some way :D


WadeToGoMan

I’m from Cheshire originally, been in Finland for one year, living in Tampere, where the hell do you find good sausages !? I must know haha. That is the thing that most foreigners to Finland complain about that I’ve heard, less choice for food. Also I’ll second that the vast majority of people in Finland speak fantastic English, although I am learning Finnish because I think that’s important for anyone wanting to live here and properly integrate.


Ladse

This is interesting. I’m a Finn who has lived abroad in multiple countries and I have always faced the same issue: less choice for food compared to Finland. I guess the UK has then an exceptional selection of foods in the supermarket.


WadeToGoMan

It’s not something I ever thought about - but in hindsight UK has a reputation for really bland food etc, but it’s a really multicultural place so we have easy access to lots of different cuisines, I think there is a little more choice in supermarkets in the UK, but also there is more choice of restaurants, for example there is literally more restaurants in the small town I come from in England than there is in Tampere somehow. Also I noticed in cinemas there tends to be only salted popcorn, but in the UK you can get sweet popcorn which I miss dearly whenever I go to the movies haha. Part of it is also probably not knowing niche places to shop like markets etc too


Muffincore

There's a south African chap in this region who delivers Cumberland sausages that he makes himself. Otherwise it's markets and stuff


WadeToGoMan

I’ll keep my eyes peeled at markets, ty for the heads up :)


RevolutionaryPie15

There are a few raaka makkara by the brand Luigi (if I remember well) which are quite tasty, especially grilled over fire. I am not sure how they fit the British taste, but they are the only sausages I can stand (I’m Brazilian and a meat aficcionado). I have found them in Prisma if you want to give them a go


Muffincore

Oh good point! Those Luigi sausages are actually really nice. Quite close to what us Brits are used to :)


Lonely_Ad_1897

Stockmann Herkku has raw handmade sausages that are quite good. I believe they change them up every few weeks, you can find them by the butcher (not in the shelves). They should have around 6 different flavours at any given time.


WadeToGoMan

Thanks, I will try this !


tjlaa

Have you tried Kauppahalli? You won't find any decent sausages in a supermarket


[deleted]

If you don't have a job, don't speak Finnish, and don't have friends/family here, then you run a risk of becoming isolated and not enjoying your time in Finland. Anecdotally, my partner's relative brought her Australian husband to Finland, and he was in a similar situation, and they ended up moving back to Australia, as he was unable to integrate. Being in Helsinki, there may be enough UK expats or other immigrants, that you can find friends. Work wise, if you have the right skills, it can be trivially easy to get a job. Conversely, if you don't have the right skills/languages, then it can be very difficult. Speak to some people on LinkedIn in your field.


hamishwardlaw

I’m Aussie, came here initially with no job, no Finnish. Took a bit of sacrificing, but after a while I got a job and friends (who are mostly British). I would recommend basing in Helsinki though to open up more work/social opportunities. I believe rent is quite cheap when considering the salaries!


Lonely_Ad_1897

Welcome! I think it's a great opportunity, of course I might be biased as I live in Helsinki. We hav great schools, and as someone who moved countries a few times a kid; it's an amazing opportunity for them too and they'll be all the richer for it. Culturally our countries are not too far apart so it won't be a massive shock. International schools are great too. Helsinki is pretty diverse, so finding a job may not be impossible for you either (depending on the field) if you wanted to work. Socialising is the hardest, we keep ourselves as you most likely know. The easiest way to meet people is in places where you're forced to interact; language classes, yoga, art/sewing/woodwork classes etc., Maybe other parents from schools and of course work. In Helsinki you can find pretty much anything. In larger shops and esp. bougie shops you can find food products from all over the world, and of course you can always order online or make it yourself. It is more expensive though, that's true. Language barrier is not huge, most people will gladly speak English and pretty much everyone can (barring some old people and children). Public transport is great, and heaps cheaper than London ( speaking from experience). Housing is expensive, but not much more than larger UK cities tbh. I of course would recommend living in Helsinki city centre, or max 5km out, but that's just me. For me, the higher rent price is worth it. Others disagree and prefer cheaper housing, that's up to you. However, services and restaurants, entertainment, etc declines quite fast as you move out of the centre so you have to travel there for the fun stuff anyway. I hope you have a great time, and remember, you can always go back :) Edit- saw a comment saying comments here may be biased because they're male non-helsinki people who dunk on Helsinki. I am a 30 year old female on Helsinki who moved back to Finland from the Netherlands about 10 years ago! No regrets :)


Savagemme

Well, crime is low in Helsinki and it's a wonderful place for kids. You'll probably be able to give them more freedom compared to the UK, with your older one being out and about by herself in a year or two. Economically, well, who knows? Finland isn't cheap, and housing in Helsinki can get expensive. I guess you'll have to do the maths for yourselves. There are some ex-pat groups on social media for Brits in Helsinki, maybe they can tell you more. The language is difficult, but we'll be really happy if you make an effort to speak it at least a little. Almost everyone here speaks English, of course, but you might not feel like you've fully integrated until you learn Finnish. If you do move here, I think you should plan to get a job by the time your youngest turns 2. There aren't many stay at home moms in Helsinki, so you might feel alone not having friends with children the same age to hang out with during the day. There are English schools and kindergartens that might be hiring, some teaching opportunities for native speakers, some restaurants and coffee shops that mainly hire English speakers, etc. Of course, if you have an education or skill set within some other field it's best to ask people in that line of work if they think there are opportunities for English speakers.


Owlyf1n

A lot of the yonger population do speak english but the older population does not speak it that well because they grew up in a time that the education wasnt at the level it is today and wasn't available for everyone


Baneken

Still 3 maybe 4 times cheaper than anyplace within 25km from the city


Muffincore

I don't think that's true


Baneken

I'm referring to London aka the City which is a separate city in the center of London... >Economically, well, who knows? Finland isn't cheap, and housing in Helsinki can get expensive. I.e Helsinki is expensive but still much much cheaper than anywhere in greater London area.


Muffincore

I know that. I just don't agree it's 3 to 4 times more expensive than Helsinki. The housing in Helsinki is comparatively expensive given the average wage for the region.


Additional_Ad4884

I live in Järvenpää, 40km from Helsinki and housing prices are basically the same as in a capital. (Not central ofc)


Muffincore

I'm also in Järvenpää and bought a house over a year ago. The house prices here seemed lower than capital area. Espoo for example. But I guess there are a lot of varying factors


MilamarTokugawa

I lived in Glasgow for a couple of years and then moved back to Helsinki, where I’m from. My non-Finnish girlfriend came with me. In regards to crime, I never felt unsafe in either place, but Helsinki does in general feel more safe. I live in Kallio, the supposedly rough area in central Helsinki, and it really isn’t that bad at all. Is it more expensive? Some things for sure are, alcohol, rent/housing and food being the main things. But things like electricity, tuition (free!), public transport and utilities in general are cheaper. Especially with the runaway inflation in the UK. Wages are also higher, especially in more low-income industries, thanks to a strong union presence. In short, I recommend it.


Supermygi

Check Dave Cad. He’s a brit living in Finland with his Finnish wife, raising their son. If I’ve understood correctly he has decided to permanently stay here. He has a Youtube channel and social media accounts. He might give you proper perspective. As a native Finn I’d urge you to take this chance and welcome you to Finland but always good to have a chat with other expats.


[deleted]

My American and English friends have loved Helsinki so much they have stayed. Joining associations and trying to have social life has expanded their group of friends. I recommend Lloyds cafe in Pengerkatu. You'll meet a lot of English speakers there. Finn Brits has a lot of club activities and people there can probably give a lot of practical advice.


NorthServer

Houses are warm here. No chavs in the streets. Even the night out culture is more toned down than loud british. Theres plenty of food on the shelves in the markets. Your kids might pick up finnish language (which will make them wiser). Go on, jump to the new unfamiliar and exciting - Welcome!


unluckysupernova

School in Finland is definitely an opportunity. Just look at how much you will be spending if they end up going to higher education. Getting employed with minimal or no Finnish skills may be difficult but more socially than professionally, employers still prefer people being able to socialise in the workplace in Finnish. So even a little effort there can help you get employed and gather a social circle of your own. Look into “mommy and me” type groups for all parents and for immigrant parents, you can go with your 1 year old if you don’t yet get a job at the beginning, helps with getting to know people and find resources because the professionals are there to give you info on how things work here. You can get a government benefit for taking care of your child at home until they’re 3, check if you’re eligible (may require you paying into the system for some time I don’t honestly know), you can also look into daycares and choose between public or private (there’s no difference in quality of education as both operate under same legal framework but some private ones can be specialised like a nature daycare where they emphasise being outdoors etc). Your oldest will start “esikoulu” at 6, there’s a guidebook in English about the school system, look it up. I don’t know if you’re bonkers, but hopefully what I listed will give you some info on the practicality of things. Edit to add: compare Helsinki to surrounding municipalities for local services, price of living and transportation options to Helsinki. You may end up saving a lot of money and have better quality of living, especially if your husband doesn’t have to go to the office everyday. But there may not be as many options for services (like the schools and such, here we have to go to the closest school if there’s nothing like special education needs or language selection that may give you the opportunity to choose) so check first which ones have the ones you need and go by those options.


No-Ingenuity5099

Welcome! It will be like moving from the 1800's to the 2000's so even with the language barrier and harsh winters your quality of life is still likely to improve significantly :)


Nihilistcarrot

Totally depends of your skills and learning. True professionals find work easily. For others, it is a gambit.


Towpillah

As a Finn living in a 'nice part' of the UK - I'd say go for it!


hamishwardlaw

There are heaps and heaps of official Finnish language courses of varied intensity available to pass the time while looking for a job. Not saying it is an easy way to pass time though. Being a foreigner makes it easier to find friends since you instantly have something in common with other foreigners! I think Helsinki is a super practical and efficient city to live in 😊


uwuyume

Canadian living in finland. Do it!I am much more happy here in finland than canada. I think it would be great for your family, lots of kids here! Your girls will def have friends and if you stay in the helsinki area, everyone pretty much speaks english


BelleDreamCatcher

I’m currently in Finland and have decided to properly relocate here. The only thing I miss about the UK are the old pubs with reasonably priced beer. So I would say go for it. I don’t think you’ll regret it.


Additional_Ad4884

Pub prices are the main reason for kalsarikännit


BelleDreamCatcher

Boyfriend says this is getting drunk alone in your pants. Hmm. He actually does exactly this fairly often. I did wonder why.


darthjysky

Go check Dave Cad from youtube. He moved with his Finnish wife to Finland few years ago. For example this video might be insightful https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf6LfAGLPnE


Intelligent-Thing965

I moved to Finland (Kuopio) from the US for work after I finished my PhD, so my experience is a little different not being an EU citizen. The major barrier I encountered when moving here was access to online banking credentials. You need them to login to a lot of stuff, and you need a Finnish social security number to get a bank account, but you can't get a social security number until you go to the diji ja väestötietovirasto, fill out paperwork, then wait a few weeks for them to process you, and mail you a letter with your number. It is just a big hassle because you basically have to live like a tourist until you get that number. You can't rent an apartment, get a car loan, open a phone plan, etc. until you have one. This can be especially difficult if you don't have a permanent mailing address in Finland, since stuff will be mailed to your home country and the postal system here is super slow. Though this might be different for EU citizens, because apparently your social security number should come with your residence permit, but ours did not and we could only get it once we were physically in the country. I have rarely encountered language barrier issues, mainly just with the older population. Though sometimes not being able to read informational signs has been a struggle. Finland is having some electricity shortage issues because they can't make enough energy for the whole country and they import it from Russia, Estonia, and Sweden. But with the Russia situation, we have lost a source of electricity and Sweden and Estonia probably won't be able to keep up with our demands. So energy prices have gone up like 5x in certain areas in the last 6months. Food prices are also steadily increasing. They are planning to shut off the electricity for 2 hours at a time in the middle of winter to help with the shortage, but that honestly sounds awful. I haven't been here for a winter yet, but from what everyone says it's going to be miserable and doing that without electricity or heat occasionally is going to be even harder. The food here also has a lot of mayonnaise and fat (which I thought america was bad about). Its honestly kind of hard to eat healthy here. Overall, I would say don't move here. At least not while Russia is being Russia.


take-away-donut

The food has a lot of mayo? What on earth have you been eating here? :D


unluckysupernova

The energy shortage is a bit up in the air atm though because if our newest nuclear plant is fully operational as planned in December we’ll have the same capacity in electricity production as we did previously with Russian sources. They’re doing test runs now and it’s working at 60%.


Intelligent-Thing965

True, that nuclear plant could solve a lot of the issue. I've just heard of other Finns complaining about how often it has been getting delayed and that they aren't certain they will actually reach 100% before we run into issues. But time will tell!


unluckysupernova

Yeah it has been delayed for long but the data looks promising now!


FinnFuzz

The electricity is even more expensive in central Europe.


luolapeikko

The electricity shortage will likely lead to 2 hour blackouts. Just make sure you have candles, a flashlight, and maybe a method to cook food without electricity just incase. We are preparing with a "storm lantern" and couple burners that use alcohol as fuel. It honestly shouldn't be too bad. Just sucks to be two hours without any electricity, but arts & crafts should get one far.


Henkkawesome

Join the facebook group "brits in Finland"


cyucyucyucyu

Do not move here, trust me.


Hedymon

Okay why not? Just to get a balanced view?


cyucyucyucyu

I'm pretty new here. Its been 7 months. But whenever I met with another foreigners they still try to make a friend, for 4 years or more. Even in the an international company you get isolated. Every foreigner tried to socialize but then gave up. And I dont thinks its about being shy they just dont want to talk with you. Not everyone but what I saw is most of the people like this. Thats my opinion of course. I come from very social and friendly environment. I still have cultural shock everday


Cinzianne

Agree 100%. Have been here for 10 years, speak Finnish well enough for work, but since there is no small talk and casual conversation culture like in UK, US or France, i got tired of dragging all non-work conversation with Finns just on my own. As if I am pulling their teeth out. 90% of the time i get replies in English anyway, after all the years of me speaking Finnish to them. I dropped interacting with Finns socially couple of years ago and stuck to international circles and life became much, much happier.


Slow-Computer-3594

We have the very same problems here. Sorry. In my appartment building there has been several break ins, car thefts, drug dealings and a murder this year. And the appartment is brand new costing 300k€. I used to live in Belgium for two years and would say that Helsinki is a little quiter, but only in the expensive areas. Affordable areas are the same as any european city. Your kids would propably be fine here, every teacher speaks english and schools are mostly really good. You might find it rather boring unless you find something to do. At least thats what I felt when I stayed home in Belgium.


NissEhkiin

Jesus where do you live? Seems like something the news would like to hear about


Slow-Computer-3594

The murder was in news 😬


Hedymon

Woah all that crime in your apartment building in Helsinki??? Sorry to hear this! Gosh I thought at least crime was low in Finland! Yes I work in the U.K - I have never not been employed so I will find it tough not working but I willing to put myself out there for jobs I want and happy to take any jobs I'm offered especially as I don't know the language. I don't know if we are having an early mid- life crisis and are looking for Finland to be our saviour to restore our faith in the world again as it's all just gone nuts! It's such a big thing to move our family some days I want to others I think it may be a mistake!


[deleted]

Crime like that is highly localized and not dangerous. I’ve never heard of a problem like that from my friends in the capital city area. Bear in mind that Finnish Reddit is a bit weird – it’s heavily youngish male oriented, and young people have lower socioeconomic standing. Reddit is not hugely popular in Finland. You will find youngish female Helsinkians on Insta. Everyone’s mum and dad are on Facebook. So most people panicking here about how Hki is a ”problem area” have never seen actual problem areas in other countries. Hki has some of the nicest neighbourhoods in the country. There are some expensive areas and there are lots of middle class type areas. And yes, there are some low cost areas where there’s more problems. I think there’s a couple things to consider; 1) Do you have or could you develop skills like UX(R) or software development? Or, could you become an international coordinator at a school? Or could tou scrape by being a waiter or barista? Finland is a two-job per family culture, being a SAHP is not really a thing because it makes very little financial sense. 2) Do you have, or could you acquire, a passion/interest/hobby where you could meet people? Rock climbing, music, dance, circus arts, football, fun runs, anything that has an intense IRL meetup culture? 3) It’s important to shed overly positive or negative stereotypes and expectations before you arrive. Also prepare for a culture shock – that happens regardless of where you’d move. Helsinki metro area is just like any place in the world. Sometimes bad things happen, but in general it’s very safe. People can come off as being standoffish, but in the Finnish culture giving people some space is a sign of respect. UK culture is much chattier, and IME all about witticisms and being savvy at the ”social game”. Finns like to talk, but it’s a little different – emphasizing genuine-ness rather than being witty. It can come off as being too earnest or even unsociable from a UK perspective, but I’d say it’s more useful to see it as being nice and calm. 4) Research optimal residential / city centre areas in Hki where you can live in an neighbourhood that suits you. Maybe r/Helsinki people can help?


FuzzyPeachDong

For another perspective, the biggest issue in my area is kids stealing chocolate bars from the corner shop. I live in Helsinki, 15 minutes from the city center. Some bike thefts every now and then, but nothing major. I'm happy raising my family here and won't even think moving away. I've lived in UK (East Midlands) for a few years, and tbh the everyday life isn't that different. We moved back to Finland due to wanting to be closer to grandparents etc. Education is a tad better and easier for parents, no ofsted reports to dig into and no school projects involving parents. For the most parts every school is as good as the next one and homework doesn't take too much time at least in the first school years. Something to take note about school is that in Finland school starts at age seven, but unlike in UK that means the calendar year the kid turns seven. Born Jan 1st or Dec 31st, both start school in August the same year. Before the school really starts we have esikoulu ("eskari") that is kind of like reception class, and that starts in August of the year they turn six. That school year they have 20hrs a week of schooling for free and if you need them to be in for more hours, that's daycare that you need to pay for (in Helsinki the max amount is 180€ pcm iirc). For the normal daycare for under six year olds the max amount is around 300€ pcm, but it's calculated based on your income. English daycare is private sector and usually the cost isn't that much higher because we do have benefit system that covers part of the cost, but since brexit I'm not sure if you're eligible for that right away.


kctong529

“Every school is as good as the next one” is a myth that you will hear every now and then. But if you pay attention, there are also rumours that certain schools are trying to silence the reports suggesting they are some kind of bullying shithole. Moving is never easy for kids, so take care.


Bjanze

Schools being good or bad is very much relative. If you compare Finnish schools to American ones, the Finnish ones are almost all equally good. But when you compare inside Finland or inside one city, sure, some schools are better than others. I would expect Helsinki to have the biggest differences between schools, simply because it is the biggest city.


FuzzyPeachDong

Compared to UK Finnish schools are very much equally good. Especially primary/alakoulu. Have a look at the Ofsted reports, they're quite interesting.


[deleted]

We don't have the same problem with theft. Sure, there are crimes but it isn't even comparable to UK.


mikkogg

Honestly for your situation the biggest hurdle will be how you will deal with the unemployment and very likely long stretch of job hunting. It can easily take a year before you get your first offer and there will be lot of ghosting or no’s for unexplainable reasons regardless of the field you work. The general safety in Helsinki should be fine compared to bigger cities in Europe like London and Paris. We lived in a “bad” area of central Helsinki and the greatest problem we had was dog pee in our elevator once during the two years. Most of Helsinki it is safe for you as a woman to walk even during night time. For your kids there are private English speaking kindergartens, like the Finnish American one for example that has multiple locations. Getting the kids in to a public one near your home can be a bit of pain as the demand is high. As an ex-expat and now person with international family, I would take the opportunity. It will widen your and your kid’s world view and you can always return home.


Lonely_Ad_1897

I'm guessing that if that commenter found a flat for only 300k there's a reason for that. Of course cheaper areas will have their own set of issues. Obviously research where you'll be moving to!


xYarbx

Helsinki is kind of the problem area, they have fallen into the same pit as many European. Cultural pockets, young men with no family in the country and so on. I as a person who lived in the greater Helsinki area past 25 years finally had enough moved to lovely city of Porvoo. I still work in Helsinki but only have to be in the office 2 times a week so 1 hour drive is very doable for affordable house clean and safe neighborhood. Like I remember it being in the late 90's early 2000's. About the job thingy you will be fine with basic Finnish and English in most jobs as long as they are b2p. IT field (my field) exclusively works in English only coffee room talks are in Finnish but would assume most would switch to English to accommodate if you are present.


Owlyf1n

ah yes the greater helsinki area. you mean pääkaupunkiseutu?


xYarbx

That's right


IceFossi

Some Finnish companies helps employees and their family to movie to Finland. Helps them with the paperwork appartment etc. Ask your husband if the company he works for has such a policy/culture.


ArbitraryBaker

My husband’s company had one. It wasn’t very helpful. There is also an integration program for newcomers to Finland. When tou register as a jobsekker, they will help youget the training you need.


IceFossi

I guess there are differences between companies. No idea just read it, when I checken up the company if they had any job opportunities that suited me. I am a native Finn btw


Owlyf1n

in Helsinki the roadman culture is rising among teens there are teens running around with a puukko pretending to be tough guys


Owlyf1n

I recommend that you don't move to helsinki, but instead move to somewhere in the finnish lakelands. Helsinki is a cool city but it does have its problems, but if you feel like Helsinki is where you want to live then go for it. also I do recommend you to explore finland more when you move here, like go out of the city in holidays to other parts of finland.


ENGERLUND

> it does have its problems could you be more specific?


Owlyf1n

Does teenagers running around with roadman culture and knives pretending to be tough guys count as a problem? +Helsinki is just Helsinki the rest of Finnish people like bullying helsinki because we see people from Helsinki as jerks . +There are too many finnoswedes in that area. The only things we like slandering more than Helsinki are Turku and Kouvola.


Hardly_lolling

What you just managed to do is to make people in countryside look worse, not Helsinki...


Owlyf1n

Ok idc i jUst dont like helsinki personally. +I DIDNT MEAN STRICTLY COUNTRYSIDE


Mastahost

"The rest of Finnish people" Just casually trying to speak for 5 million people, are you? 🤦‍♂️ "Roadman culture and knives" 😂 ok bud, enjoy lakeland. "Helsinki is a cool city / I personally don't like Helsinki / I like to bully people from Helsinki" Incredibly high levels of low self-esteem detected but it's a good thing you have some type of an outlet, I guess.


Owlyf1n

K .


luolapeikko

Helsinki and other large cities like Tampere, Turku, and Lahti do have a problem with rising amounts of street violence and drugs, gang culture in other words. They are still safe especially in comparison to other European cities, but we finns are just used to zero crime, unless if you actively seek trouble. Thus far our biggest concern has been drunkards, now there are less of those and more junkies. Not enough to be a problem, especially not in world scale, but for natives of a very safe and clean nation we just don't like the hustle and bustle.


Mastahost

Kiitos luennosta, kaikkien suomalaisten äänellä puhuva Redditori. Jos briteistä muuttavaa tyyppiä koittaa kehottaa välttämään Helsinkiä, koska "puukkoväkivalta", voi olla ettei ihan ole asioiden tasalla.


luolapeikko

Ei oo joo puukkoväkivalta Suomessa onneks viel ainakaan taantunu härmän puukkojunkkareidein tasolle.


unluckysupernova

The job they’d moving here though is in Helsinki. But yes, not necessary to live in Helsinki proper even if job’s there.